Ono talks briefly about rebalancing Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition

mega troll~

R&D Money for a game that's already completed....I really hate Ono.

Vega. BS. Why?
Seriously, I'd love a lengthy paragraph from Seth or Ono explaining the vega changes.

Well looks like theres a good chance Yun and Yang will be patched just like Sent was.

please rebalance this game. Twins palm strike are too godly for there own good. Man a regular palm strike cancelled my bisons ultra1, and my fuerte ultra 2. UNREAL!!!!!!! Its like a defensive/offensive attack in one. Hell even my eryus ultra 2 trying to chip my opponent. Also im starting to hate oni's ex crossover slash attack. Gets me all the time.

@2

Patches cost money to release, it's not as simple as Capcom calling up Sony/Microsoft and going "Hey, we got another patch!", time and money goes into these things. I know it's tough sometimes, but please use logic and reason, kids.

Desk - will decides what 2 patch like he did for mvc3

Yet nobody complains about fei with is also S tier. So they will nerf the twins and leave fei as the go to guy?

twins need to be fixed severely. I never seen such characters that gain so much meter in 10 to 15 seconds. And i thought guiles sonic boom meter gain was crazy in super. Dont think theres anything wrong with eryu. His projectiles are really fast. I think hes tournament worthy in my opinion. Havent touched oni yet.

@6 really so it cost them money to fix the Games on Demand problem a couple of weeks again please take your own advice smart one if that was the case they would have never patched Sentinel health Capcom is in to make money not spend it. God morons like you trying to act all smart its pathetic :Q

@11 this is what happens when idiotic scrubs enter our community i guess its only to be expected when you start adding more and more people you get the ones that know nothing, so they start making up crap like whining just to get noticed

Well they should of balanced the game twins, oni and eryu included. I hope they dont charge us for a balance patch. Pretty much the same arcade game. Kinda stupid.Hell capcom even needs money to balance a game they sold like this on purpose. Kinda sucks @$$ if you ask me. They know the game needs balancing and they still sold it the same crappy way.

@Mark / Kshein

Are you guys delusional?

1. There is nothing wrong with patches. The world is patches. Every company has a twitter now made just to listen to customers bitch. And guess what? We, consumers, win because of this. Before online and twitter and forums if everybody collectively wanted something? Too bad so sad.

2. In this case, further DLC means maybe we could get the option to choose what version of each character. SFIV/Super/AE. Now THAT would be the way to go out.

It doesn't matter if patching costs them money or not. What Capcom needs more than money is a strong healthy relationship with the fan base. And honestly, it's the tournament scene that is driving these fighting games so it's up to Capcom to patch when needed.

a.) Palms have too much frame advantage on block and hit, and they can fake palms!

b.) Yun's rush punch and ex rush punch is just too ridiculous on block with him having the frame advantage...

c.) Yang's rekka punches being able to cancel out after 2 hits?! so much time for hit confirm!

d.) Dive kicks with different versions?! That's insane with so many opportunities to trick your opponent.

e.) Even their uppercuts, on whiff makes them fly away so far, you can't even punish it hard as you can do on Ryu where he's at point zero.

f.) TOO SHORT! those two twins are TOO SHORT/SMALL and they have advantage because normal longer combos whiff on them because of their small hitboxes.

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FFS!!! I have a feeling that those 2 characters will be banned in the future unless patches come

Ofcourse the game needs balancing, thank the twins for that. If your not whining then your not a true fighting game fan. People are already playing godlike with the twins. Even there combos are not that hard to pull off. IL still use eryu, fuerte and bison. The twins are purposely godlike, thats just wrong capcom.

If they patch the console version then what happens with the arcades worldwide? Those dont get patched do they? So it'll mean if you play at the arcades you'll be playing an 'older' version of the game..that will be dumb and nobody will bother again

The only character untouched is cvip. Shes still looking good. And probably juri.

they wont balace it. Why? because then they have to balance all arcade cabinets. As far as i know, they cant update cabinets, but release new ones, thats a lot of money, your all stupid if you think this is going to be patched. Marvel 3 sentinel health got patched cuz guess what, its only on console and can be fixed! DEAL WITH THE TWINS AND SHUT UP, AFTER THEM BEING USED SO MUCH, LEARN TO ADAPT. No i dont play twins, im a gouken main.

Oni's EX Cross-slash is VERY punishable all the way through, since it has zero invencibility. There's not really a problem with that one, I think.

The twins, at least Yun, should be rebalanced, though. Just a little. I still can learn how to deal with them just the way they are, but, c'mon. Some of their moves and their recovery time are just ridiculous.

When i played.vs eryu and oni i lost consitently..but when i learned their moves and strategies i easily defeated.them.i main adon btw..to patch the twins is sad knowing that they are not OP(overpowered) they patched akuma in sf2 hd remix ..but he was still too good. To patched the twins would be sad because people dont know the matchup. Mike ross beat both twins easily with honda...they have bad matchups

Is it not expected to have the twins top tier again like in SF3 since their gameplay is already unbalanced from the start?

The game is fine. People are just overreacting.

Ono

1. Buff Guile the way you had him in Super SF4 and have Seth Jumping Hard Punch with his arms like Dhalsim again, these nerfs were unneccsary

2. Please get to the bottom of this

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/no...

reveal who this is

3. Why doesn't Yun, Yang, Evil Ryu and Oni have rival cutscenes?

sinisterslam, shut the f__k up!!!!!! Everyones having issues with the twkns. Just patch the console versions, f__k the arcades. Or patch both, but the game should of hsd more better balancing. U DUCKSAUCE!!!!!!

People decided to hate Yun and Yang before they even played AE. Crying and crying non stop about imbalance of a game they never even played. Tier lists are made considering the highest level of play. Im sure the percentage of people crying about balance that have actually played Daigo/Kazunoko is less than 1%. The top players from Japan have agreed that Fei Long is the best character anyway. So where is the angry mob with torches and pitchforks for Fei Long? Besides... we just got 4 new characters. Who is gonna care about new characters if they get nerfed into oblivion like Sagat did in super? Sure Daigo won Revelations. He also won both Evos since sf4 came out. Meanwhile on the other side of the country... Justin Wong, Floe, and Marn lose to low tier, nerfed Honda using the OMG SO BROKEN TWINS.

I can see all the godly yuns and yangs pouring out of every crack without having any trouble playing with them or even doing there b&b combos. This is a dark day for all of us.

@27

Like your post. Spot on. The sheer number of people crying the f--k over the twins is just plain appaling. I think that Ono should seriously consider IGNORING American players. I'm a white-American, but I can't help but be repulsed by the fact that so many people in this country are acting like little kids.

The game's barely been out for one F--Kin week!!! And people are crying like the world's going to end tomorrow.

yea but feis not easy to play with, simpleton. Also honda has to rely on whether moves he gots. Thats understandable. You dont see honda gaining meter like crazy by whiffing orochi throws???

I agree with tempusrob's post about how the twins aren't the problem it's just that most of the cast got nerfed. The twins are fine, the people who are complaining about them are just bad.

@25

Oh right. Make the American soldier be the one on top, and make him as he was in SSF4 (a game where many characters could do little to nothing about his cheap sonic-boom game).

This comment was just plainly stupid. There have been A LOT of posters here who have tried to blatantly deny the fact that there's A LOT of racist and nationalistic bias amongst the players in the community. Racism and Nationalism being two big factors why Guile got little to no hate for the long time that he's been OP in SSF4, and how a lot of American players started hating on Yun and Yang before they even played the game themselves.

Yun is pretty annoying. His block stuns on specials prevents you from punishing. The standing mp, hp, palm push combo is so good that you can spam that all day and not get punished. Finally, the palm move alone has TOP priority over other specials in the game. If you lucky to trade, bravo! I managed to beat my opponent like 7-4 with my dudley at the end but I had to work for it haha. It was frustrating and fun at the same time. However, Yun is not, per say, broken. He's very hard to deal with just like getting through Fei's pokes (cr. mp and hp and rekkas). I think Yun needs a little nerf...maybe just on the block stuns and damage on his specials. Damage output on his normals are fine in my opinion.

Ofcourse yun/yang mainers are not gonna complain. Its just us that have to fight against them and seeing all the crappy idiot stuff they can do. Even most of there moves are safe on block, then added to there fast gaining palm meter gain and there pretty solid normals and special moves. There combos are pretty easy ro pull off as well. Also a command grab, i see why daigo gave up on ryu. Tier whore for life, i still have the upmost respect for him. Come on people wake up.

@10

Yes, you idiot.
Fixing things is not free. If you had any knowledge at all on how a business works you'd know nothing is free and mistakes DO cost money to fix.
You have to spend money to make money.

Once again, logic and reason is absent in the comment section.

Let the game be out for longer than a week before we talk about re-balancing anything.

patch smatch patch the twins patch sentinel patch phoenix cabbage patch jesus christ you don't even have to leave the house and pay money to have you ass kicked anymore what more do you want?

lol i can already see the eventhubs-news a month after the patch:
"ono admits, balanced version was already on the disc" :D

The only problem with this is how will you bridge the gap between arcade and console?

Easiest thing they can do is to just add the twins to super 4 and balance from there. There was no reason for like 99% of the nerfs to the super cast.

Im just glad i didnt buy it.

The game feels nerfed for the twins imo. If they give ryu his super trap Ill forgive Capcom...or if they give dudley some invincibility on his DP Ill b thankful. Th twins have so much offense and they're so quick its hard to hurt a good yun. My Thirdstrike friends kill me and they hat Street fighter 4

@#25:

Obviously, your skills is not that good if you can't win without Seth's jumping hp (if you are winning, you won't bitching about it here). Watch that Korean Seth player and learn how he plays it. He's doing well without the arms. Why can't you? Ever since Seth lost his arms, there are NO scrubby ass online Seth players anymore. You know why? it's because they can't do seth's simple cr. lp, lp, mp, into hyakuretsukyaku (his legs special move). All they relied on were his jump hp, do sonic booms, and wall jumps with rh. It repeats itself for the entire match. Those seth will obviously lose to me and I kicked them for being a trolling scrub. Now in AE, I don't have to do that anymore. oh btw, if you are crying and bitching about Seth's nerfs, do us a favor and stay on reg SSFIV with the rest of the babies. You guys can battle each other's seth and see who can troll out your opponent the fastest with jump back hp, sonic booms and then wall jump rh routine.

@41 *Hate playing street fighter at my previous post

I agree that yun/yang got tools that can fend off the whole cast. Sucks for the nerfed characters having trouble against them. We just gotta thug it out and keep on adjusting. Meter gain is gonna be a problem tho. Everyone said the yung/yang were godlike before the console release was even out. Now that its here, its pretty much the same thing console players are b!tching about like the arcade players were saying. Go figure!!!!!!

I agree with a lot of people that AE has some bad balance issues. However, to those that think Super was "balanced" that's just incorrect. So many of the low tiers weren't low tier JUST because they were under represented, it's because they were bad. Characters like Guy, Makoto, Gen, Hakan, etc NEEDED buffs. (only one of those characters became really good anyway >.>). I think the strong characters should have been left strong, and the weak characters should have been made stronger so that they had a fair shot at winning. more than 2-8, 3-7 etc. And yes, there were really good players with all those characters in SSFIV....but they weren't winning MAJORS with those tournament. The best we got was JWong winning a few smaller tournies with Makoto, still impressive but in SSFIV he wouldn't have pulled her out against Daigo, for example. No way in hell.

C2Q, thats true. Might be an issue.

@34
I think Daigo said he will switch to Yun from Ryu before Yun even came out.

definitely the twins need to be fixed and patched asap!

some characters buffs and nerfs are just alright except for guile, cammy, and abel! (imo)

so far im really enjoying playing makoto, its almost like 3S with all of her buffs, and definitely i can matchup and win against scrubby twin players!

I think hakans a true tourney competitor now, even makoto. Im having mixed feelings on guy tho. Cvip and juri are still beasts in this game.

The twins are free for Cammy. I don't get all the crying. They're strong, yes, but not unfair.

#50 really now??????

We can go round in circles all day with people complaining about the twins and people complaining about the people complaining about the twins, but all Ono really needs to look at is one thing;

We paid.

We all knew this was coming. Capcom had given us a list of changes and all the big names were saying the twins were way too good.

And we still paid for AE.

More characters, we'll pay. More re-balancing, we'll pay. More stages, costumes and any other improvements you can implement. We'll pay.

Why? Until SF5 is out, we just wasn't SF4 to be as fun as possible.

And not all of us are into the idea of Street Fighter Tag Tournament.

yun/yang pretty much rotate around the whole cast. Its not even funny.

@48

LOL. Someone b-tching about the Twins while this person wants Guile to have his cheap sonic-boom zoning game back from SSF4.

He also wants Cammy's broken TKCS to be back.

#52, D@MN i think your right. ONO used me and butt rapped my wallet.... How could you ONO!!!!!! I trusted you. I think im gonna ge sick...... ;(

Hell it was only 15.00 bucks. Im satisfied, but not happy at all.

@52

thats the problem right there. We got more then enough warning, so complaining on the forums is pointless. If u really wanted to send capcom a message u should have NOT bought it.

@27 couldnt have said it better. and @#32 Shut the hell up you fuzzbag you're irritating. All you do is shout "racism" the top tiers are racist shut up and how the SF community is racist shut the hell up you damn idiot SHUT UP.

@51

Yes really. If you want unfair, then please revisit the SSF4 version of Guile with his instant Sonic-Boom recovery, extremly useful standing uppercut, versitile ultra, and the large range on his air throw.

Also if you want unfair, go use SSF4-Cammy and spam her TKCS. Just see the footages of Sako abusing Cammy TKCS on Uryo, Momochi, and Daigo.

Neither of the Twins were nearly as OP, Broken, and unfair as those two characters were.

Surprisingly, the genius who amde post #48 suggested that we give Guile and Cammy their unfair advantages back.

WOAH, can feel the heat on that post a mile away #58. Drink a brisk. Stay cool my friend.

I'm fairly scrubby at this game and fighting games in general, so maybe that's why I am really struggling to see this *unbelievable* advantage that the twins have over the entire cast.

As a Honda main I find that I dont actually struggle too much with the twins...If anything I found people with projectiles esp charge fireball players like Guile and Chun a nightmare. Learn to adapt...quit moaning. End of.

@58

Tell that to all the Twin Haters before you come crying to me. There's nothing wrong with shouting out facts. I never said that ALL people in the SF community are racist, but I have been saying that many members do in fact hold strong biases that are rooted in racism and nationalism.

How bout I make a deal with you buddy. If those Twin haters ever STFU about Yun and Yang. Then I'll STFU about the obvious fact that racist and nationalistic bias is what's causing Yun and Yang to receive at least 100x time the amount of Hate that Guile and Cammy receive in SSF4 (Despite the fact that both Guile and Cammy had just as much or even more unfair advantages over the rest of the cast than the twins do in AE).

If the Twin Haters ever decide to stop b-tching about Yun and Yang, then I'll consider to stop bringing up the obvious fact that racist and nationalistic bias exist amongst many of the players.

D@MN you #48, wish i can kick you in the nuts. But its so not likely. Still i think the twins are too godlike for there own good.

denaycous_dee85 you obviously suck at this game and shouldn't even be complaining. First learn how to play then complain. Every single one of yun's specials is negative on block except for EX lunge. The reason you aren't winning at this game has nothing to do with the twins and everything to do with you being an idiot.

RandomJohn: thanks for the really ignorant comments. The blockstun on all of yuns specials allows him to be punished. Try out the training room, you might actually learn something.

Guys, every time you lose -> which is obviously A LOT -> write down who you lost to, then send an email to Capcom or whine here, and attempt to have the character removed from the game.

#63 I think you might be a rasist. Thats sad for real.. I love me some black booty, white flat @$$ES are preferable as well. And should i say anything about my lovely latinas out there. Your @$$ES are the best.

@45, Bushinryuken, Jwong did pull out Makoto against Gamerbee and Momochi in the finals. So you can change your BS comment to "yes way in hell" that he would use them against top foreign players. You really know your stuff.

What 8-2 matchups are you referring to in your comment there?

To all the little crybabies: Do any of you use the twins? Post some replays of you guys just running over everyone on xbox live. lol...like that will ever happen.

11, yes 11, hard nerfs, I am sorry - but someone lost control of something during that process.

Give Guile his balls back, he sincerely misses being a man and doing damage.

@65

"RandomJohn: thanks for the really ignorant comments. The blockstun on all of yuns specials allows him to be punished. Try out the training room, you might actually learn something."

Hey man, I wanted to ask if you know of any other forums which give out raw data for Yun's specials on block. I also saw RandomJohn's comments on post #33, where he said that Yun's normals are safe on block. Such a comment also struck me as being informed because I'm pretty sure that the only Yun special that is un-punishable on block is his EX-Lung and jab-shoulder. All other specials entail risks.

I recall seeing a list containing raw frame data of Yun's specials a while back but just can't locate it anymore.

Nice nerfguile, i play the twins. Who you tryna impress fool. Your definitely a twin mainer. Shut your @$$ up. I didnt ask for your opinions 8!@TCH!!!!!!

#42

It's funny how you say that there no longer are scrubby seth players online, when there's hardly any Seth player AT ALL...

What you're saying is basically that unless you're Poongko, a player who are at the same caliber as Mago; second to only Daigo and Kazunoko in Japan, you have no right to complain? lmfao..

Seth undoubtedly (and undeservedly) got nerfed into the deep pits of low tier, only above Hakan, Dan, T-hawk and the like. This is emperically supported by the arcadia rankings in Japan. Hiropon dropped Seth and it looks like Poongko is about to do the same, guess why? yeah, because Seth sucks.

True, J.fp wasn't the best "go-to" move in all matchups; some would even argue that it's a blessing in disguise since it'd get you into a lot of trouble, considering how easy it is to punish it's hittable box. BUT, J.FP was also a complete necessity to zone turtlers like Guile and Sagat out.

They also nerfed both his ultras. U1 can no longer punish most projectiles unless at full screen and U2 is officially useless since any invincible reversal beats it clean. Remember, Seth ultras are among the weakest in the game (despite U1 dmg buff) already.

On top of that, Seth no longer stuns as easily as before because they heavily reduced the stun on magic feet. Dive kicks only deal about as much block stun as a jab, and no longer stuffs flashkicks. Hitboxes got messed up so j.s shenanigans off of a cr.f don't work on some characters... And while I'm at it, let's not forget the stomp nerfs, which I think is safe to say has shaped up to be his biggest nerf by far.

What did Seth gain in return? +50 life and +150 stun is pretty nice, I admit that, but the fact of the matter is he still has the lowest HP value in the game, below that of Akuma, who unlike Seth doesn't have a slow ass walk speed, mediocre-horrible normals and mixups that doesn't heavily rely on a high risk setup such as SPD, which if being neutral jumped, results in losing 75% of your life bar.

None of the other buffs noted on the dev blog are worth mentioning because they are either not noticeable or a straight up lie.

@27

very good post, one of the few good ones i have seen here. i dont have a big problem with the game as it is right now and even though it is not as balanced as super it is not broken. thankfully they didnt give the "downback" characters such a great edge this time.

imho i dont mind (and maybe even encourage) if they would patch rebalance but that would mean nerfing fei long as well because i realy do not understand why everybody is crying over the twins while fei is the top. but rebalancing would mean rebalancing all the arcade cabinets as well or else capcom would seriously hurt themselves, either splitting the community or losing a lot of arcade income. also what would then be the tournament standard?

i think the most import thing right now is: everybody should just see the new chars, fei long and the game for what they are: just a load of fun =)

You dont wanna see my fuerte or bison. IL be on xbox soon nerfguile,

@67

EventsHubs tiers charts don't list any matchups as 8-2, but there have been players who felt that certain matchups are actually worse than 7-3.

Some players felt that certain characters are just dead in water against Guile because they just don't have anything to deal with Guile's istant SB recovery combined with an extremely useful standing uppercut plus the flshkick. Some players felt that M.Bison (Dictator) is one of the characters who can't do anything against a good Guile, especially one the professional level. Some players have commented on how they beleive that Fei Long is also another character who can't do anything against a good Guile, and these people use the Canada Cup Grand Finals: Daigo (Guile) Vs Mago (Fei-Long) as a reference for their take on the match-up. Daigo just all the sudden switched to Guile and owned Mago's Fei Long (Mago's Fei looked helpless against Daigo's Guile in the Canada Cup Finals).

In addition to that. Many people also feel that Cammy's TKCS gives her 8-2 match-ups against other characters who have no legitimate tools to deal with her instant dive-kick pressure. Ex: Sako's abuse of Cammy TKCS during the Godsgarden 2 tournament against Momochi, Uryo, and Daigo a while back does give validity to people who feel that some SSF4 matchups were 8-2 in Cammy's favor due to the TKCS.

A fact that I've tried to repeat over and over again is that neither of the Twins have that great of an unfair advantage in AE. Yet people were complaining about them before they've even played AE. lol.

I think capcom does this on purpose. They make the game in balanced and then it gives them reason to go and charge more money to keep updating the same game a billion times over. They admittedly made the game unbalanced and then say they will look into patching in if enough fans say so (or if sales are good enough. I am tired of them releasing half finished products on purpose.

denaycous_dee85 since you play the twins and you are also the biggest complainer in this entire comments section, why not start a youtube channel that shows you running over everyone with the twins? Maybe then you wouldn't seem like such a complete retard, and there might actually be some validity to your complaints. For now, you just seem like a big crybaby, rage quit type of player. I bet you have a disconnect rate of 25%.

From what i have experienced, yang is actually harder to fight against. Neither twin seems overly strong either.

@NerfGuile - I didn't say Momochi or Gamerbee, I said Daigo. I made that rather clear in my comment. Also, it was *only* Gamerbee. What you're referring to was Seasons Beatings where Jwong tried multiple counter picks against Gamerbee and lost again. I do know what I'm talking about. Also, that wasn't the grand finals. JWong did it as a desperate gamble that only won him one game....it actually just kinda proves my point even further :\. He didn't win the tournament with her, so there's nothing you can prove there.

Also, in regards to some of those matchups. I was using approximations for Guy vs just about any charge character in SSFIV original, just to clarify.

IDIOT your comments dont phase me. Im losing only because of my eryu. Dont think you can outsmart me and guess what i actually do in games. Nerfguile do me a favor and stuff a (O(K in it fagbag. You ll see me soon!!!!! If you dont think the twins are godlike you should end yourself right where your posting on eventhubs. SERIOUSLY!!!!!

There heavily offensive, and its hard to punish certain whiffed special moves with certain characters.

Sounds like people need to get skills.
But no you'll just whine on internet forums
and i whine about you whining
"Sigh" at my own stupidity

thank god for guy and el fuerte.

@Bushinryuken, no it was against momochi too. Go and look it up on youtube please! It was the winners finals... I guess it doesn't prove your point further - or at all for that matter.

So you think that he would use makoto against momochi and gamerbee but not daigo? lol, so you're being clear about something that never did and never will happen except for in you mind (now that super is done with). I guess that fits with the entire comments section.

You also wrote "for example", well momochi and gamerbee are examples of top foreign players. The bottom line is justin will use a "low tier" character in a big situation because he thinks he can win with the character. He obviously didn't feel the matchup was completely hopeless or he wouldn't have chosen the character.

In the USA there are S-Tier Characters. RUFUS and SIM. They pretty much win every single tournament that foreigners don't show up to.

@27,29

GDLK comments! What I've been saying all along!

im obviously not the only one complaining. im no godlike player but im no slouch.

BUFF GEN! lol Capcom better at least patch these recently posted glitches, its starting to look like the guys behind MvC3 did AE DLC.

denaycous_dee85 you seem like the type that like to really think things out. I have to commend you on that. Seems like you really spent some time in training mode and thought out your statements. I guess the posted frame data is useless and wrong. You must have found some hidden characteristics with yun that make all his special moves safe. Good Work!

The SF4 world has been waiting for you to get out there and steam roll everyone with your insane twins prowess. Since they're so "broken, godlike and you can learn all their combos in 2 days", you should be up and running in no time. I know i can't wait to see you mashing away on your youtube videos. I'm sure you'll be taking home that money at EVO this year, using those overpowered twins; fuerte; bison; and of course E.Ryu! Good luck, and be sure to post how you make all of your moves safe on block!

@11 @12
Twins are unbalanced and OP, no matter how hard u try to blame scrubs and whining for the rebalance. Rebalance is actually needed but only for the twins, others are okay.

Necreon, i'll forward that straigt to Capcom. Thanks for the insight. Capcom will rebalance just the twins, because you said so. Don't worry about specifics, you can just ESP them.

I do not like just patching the game over and over. There will be stronger characters over the rest of the cast always.
In Super, players won matches that were at their disadvantage constantly. Many of the most popular fighters had characters that stood out. I think playerbase gets a bit too spoiled.

lol @ people saying Seth sucks.

@63 uhhh yeah that makes no sense. People hate the twins right now because they're both VERY strong and people haven't adapted to them yet. Its like that with any fighting game, people hate the top tiers It has NOTHING to do with the fact that they are asian. People hated on rufus when he was top and abel when he was top so your little racism theories are wacked out. How about this STFU and play with whoever you use and body scubs thats all you gotta do.

@92

"people hate the top tiers It has NOTHING to do with the fact that they are asian."

BS. Neither Rufus nor Abel as characters received nearly as much hate as the Twins are getting right now. Can you please provide evidence that Rufus or Abel ever got as much hate as Yun or Yang??? Because I can't recall any at all. People did hate on Justin Wong, a player who used Rufus, but that's a little different than hating the character itself.

BTW, before you start blabbling on how my racism "theories" are wacked, why don't you try to dissect my argument first. In post #63, I clearly gave explicit mentioning of Cammy and Guile being favored due to the nature of the characters (Cammy being a special agent for the mother country of united states and Guile being an American soldier).

let it sit at least a year before rebalancing, please. Having obvious tool superiority stops people from pushing themselves and their characters harder. Consider that your main might have untapped potential before throwing in the towel.

@92

"It has NOTHING to do with the fact that they are asian."

Oh yes it does. Many of the more racially and nationalistically biased SF-players are not content with the fact that 3 Chinese characters are now going to be top-tier. They want the top-tier positions to belong to their precious American Soldier (Guile) and the British Agent (Cammy). The more racially and nationalistically biased players get offended when they see that Guile and Cammy are losing their toptierness to 3 chinese guys.

So with that being said. If those Twin haters ever STFU about Yun and Yang. Then I'll STFU about the obvious fact that racist and nationalistic bias is what's causing Yun and Yang to receive at least 100x time the amount of Hate that Guile and Cammy receive in SSF4 (Despite the fact that both Guile and Cammy had just as much or even more unfair advantages over the rest of the cast than the twins do in AE).

@92

Now I'm I saying that ALL SF players are racially and nationalistically biased??? No, I'm not. I'm I saying that ALL players who don't like Yun are racially and nationalistically biased??? No, I'm not.

The point I've been trying to get across is that racism and nationalism are clearly two factors for why Yun is getting at least 100x more hate than usual. Now that's a little different fromsaying that ALL SF players are racist, or that ALL Yun haters are racist.

wow this is going out of control!
if the twins are that OP'd and cant be nerfd and patched, why not bring back vanilla sagat, cammy tkcs, (super)adon wakeup recovery, feilong safe chickenwing, abel vanilla damage, guile vanilla/super sonicbooms, akuma HK loop, or much better... unblockable ultra setups for some certain characters! , or even much greater... make everyone OP'd and broken! this game will be so much fun and fckn' great! :D

@95 Man, that's one of the stupidest things I've read on Eventscrubs. First off, Cammy's British, not American. More importantly, your conspiracy theory about them being Asian is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. This is hardly the place to have an identity crisis about subconscious racism.

Anyway, I don't see why people are complaining so much. It's not Capcom's job to rebalance the game after it's been out 2 weeks because some guy beat you online. Not to mention tier lists are designed exclusively around high-level play and are constantly changing as new things are discovered. The percentage of the player base they'd apply to who are complaining about the game's balance has to be well under a percent.

super = best version. k thx bye

LISTEN TO ME IF YOU CAN READ MY MESSAGE CAPCOM
LISTEN HERE:

Some one make my message heard please

RYU IS TOO NERFED only reason why ryu is up the tier list is because daigo uses him

MAKE RYU BACK TO HIS VANILLA version and DO NOT NERF HIM
ENHANCE RYU

and MAKE E RYU HAVE BETTER STAMINA!!

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