Part 2 of Capcom-Unity's question and answer session with MCZ|Daigo Umehara is up now. What is one thing you feel that the American community needs to take from Japan in order to improve itself? And, vice versa, what is one thing that Japan should take from America to improve itself? -- Tryken (Ryan)
Daigo: I don’t really know how US players relate among themselves, so I can’t say much, but if I may based on little I know, I think US players should openly and constructively criticize one another on their gameplay and help each other to improve themselves as a community as a whole.
On the Japan side, the Japanese community obviously lacks a sense of responsibility and spirit to try to make an event a success. The players don’t recognize it as “their” event and don’t even make an effort to boost it up. They just passively participate in a tournament, and they think that they have nothing to do with it, but that it is the event organizer’s responsibility whether it becomes fun or not. I hope to see a change in their perspective and to come together as a community to “create” an event.
I liked this :
"One thing I would like to wish for pro players is compensation available to more pro players. In exchange, those “pro” players should gain self-awareness and discipline as a pro, and work harder to exhibit professional level of gameplay to stand up for the name of “pro.” They must be able to distinguish themselves as pro-players from amateur players, and that has to be accompanied by high level of self-discipline."
"...I think US players should openly and constructively criticize one another on their gameplay and help each other to improve themselves as a community as a whole..."
Ooh Daigo if only that could be true. It'd be like 10 mins before someone's feelings got hurt and a Noel Brown situation arises.. But he's 100% right..
Daigo Umehara, calling Japs boring lol
You're not exactly a hypemachine yourself sir!
I don't understand the questions (since every Q&A got them) about how the US community could improve etc because Daigo is barely in the US,let alone an expert on how the things roll here.
So I don't know what these people are expecting..
and the :
''They must be able to distinguish themselves as pro-players from amateur players, and that has to be accompanied by high level of self-discipline.''
made me kinda think about Tokido and whoopin twin ass left and right.. XD.
Daigo overestimates the level of maturity present in the American fighting game community. Constructive criticism is an impossible goal in a community filled with huge egos, insecurity and emotional immaturity.
The educational gap between their top players and ours in itself is a huge indicator of what I refer to. You have 2 groups of people that approach these games with very different mentalities.
I've given up asking for advice and positive criticism in casual sessions. People are more interested in chest pounding and perpetuating their inferiority complexes rather than offering friendly advice.
To elaborate on what Malda said. Mavs>Heat = MVC3>SSF4ae
MvC 3 is like the mavs a balanced cast/team with a emphasis on support and assist.
SSF4ae is like the heat with 3 over powered characters and everyone else is nerfed.
@5
Someone explain this "Noel Brown situation" that was mentioned.
@13
yeaaa, cause im sure the japanese dont do anything like that, there all nice quiet people that are super helpful to everyone around them.
Naaah we'd rather fight each other and keep stuff from each other so we'll never improve.
We need to stop asking this question cuz everyone keeps asking it and we get the same answer every time and no one really cares to actually apply it. We just wait til the next event and then ask it to the next Japanese guy or Korean who shows up and murders us.
America doesn't want to improve, we just want to win, end of story.
Other countries should try to get better at SFIV but it isn't really their fault if they can't beat Japan at the SBO or EVO or any other tournament for that matter.
The only reason Japan leads in SF is because (1) It is very popular and arcades are still popular; (2) Japan has a large population (120 mill) with a densely populated landmass compared to America (300 mill). This means more community, more dedicates pro players and thus more people to learn from and help you. It also helps in this instance that it's technological game because if it was cheaper to play than other countries like India or CHina would be up there.
I mean there is a reason is the best at Starcraft, Russia is basically the best at chest, Brazil basically the best at soccer, North America is the best at basketball, Australia is the best at cricket, and so on, and so on.
By all means get people should get better but I am personally convinced that if the cultruar and geographical locations were reversed then the top American players would be just as good as Daigo, Mago, Sakonoko than they are today...
Anyways that's JUST my 2 cents...
@6
He didn t mean boring, When I went to Japan I really felt the same way that Daigo feel.
When you re going at Evo or Stunfest and watching reaction on the internet you can see that people really feel like Evo is your event, it s an american event of the player of this country who gather and make it possible. For the stunfest to you feel that it s not only the Rennes s organization but the rendez vous of all France gamers. And when you talk to those player they often say come to our country to play at Evo etc.
But in Japan it s different, it s more like you go a hotel and you leave everything to the staff and you have nothing to do with them. The hype should be create by the staff entertainment etc. If something is not good, it s the staff fault, you re just a client who are waiting for a service.
The Japanese are very thorough and intensive, whether it be math, science, or learning the SF engine.
You can't grow without criticism in any field. =/
Daigo is probably referring to what the Japs do and what he sees is lacking in America when he comes. He's a man of great discipline, he doesn't need to live here to observe and analyze things.
@20 It doesn't help that Americans A-holes when comes to helping others out.
Gotta love how some of these brought up stereotypes.
The deal is the FG community consist of the big two Cali & NYC then the rest heck Texas could have been a third but from what I hear most tend to be casuals (like me for example). Thing is time & area somehow these guys (Japan) can find the time to be in an arcade for a good period and learn while we are so spread out that it hurts us.
I remember in a Spooky stream where they mentioned that NYC doesn't have many Yun players when the Guard Crush restarted so they have little MU experience as seen for example the Jago/Marn match where it has been seen that Bison can actually give the twins trouble, while in Cali the have a couple of Yun & Yang players. Now the time factor hits since most where testing the waters in CEO with the new characters odds are they really didn't use them in pools if I remember right while in Revalations you had some who have been putting up hard time in the lab.
^for the Marn/Jago part forgot to add the fact that Jago having little experience hurt him even though his character is good against the twins.
@24 where do you get this from?
Yeah, I agree with the US being all spread out. Japan has solid population but more dense.
It's harder for us to gather, not to mention the tough economic times.
I think the amount of people getting into SF "professionally" will always be limited until people start getting paid. People who have jobs or family can't really put in the time.
@27It's not really about getting paid (even thought it is the purpose it comes down to personal responsibilities like you mentioned most people would gather if the tournaments where close to where they live but they can't make it to all of them that are farther out.
Also from the other article Japan has never dominated in MVC2 they brought some here and they all got beat. Also I've played both and you have to really know your stuff in MVC2 as compared to MVC3 where you can just dial it up and that's it. Also that was a weak argument saying the can be compared because they are fighting games that would be like comparing 3s to 4 totally different. Also lol at trying yo put words in my mouth about 3s being easy mode, play mvc2 then mvc3 you will notice the difference better yet play TVC then play mvc3 as well.
I have never played MvC2 and I barely know the button layout of MvC3 even though I've had it for months(not just my type of FG), but I can easily say they are way different. I used to watch MvC2 videos on streams and whenever someone had his 2 characters KO'd, it was almost equivalent of 100% defeat, whereas in MvC3, if you have 1 character left with XF3, it's still almost 50-50, and That's just one example.
I think it was Mad Catz's idea to make Daigo do some trash talking so it would rile the US community up and rally them to make some sort of rivalry, and so far it seems to have worked perfectly, minus some Americans being sore losers and spoiling the fun of it.
I remember the first time the footage of Tokido playing MvC3 was shown here and everyone were like it was: "Japan is FRAY! TOP US PLAYERS WOULD NEVER LOSE! HAH!" and now that he's won a major in MvC3, they changed their tone to: "NERF PHOENIX!!1!!11111!"
That's just sad.
Tell us why you mad GW. Don't generalize all Americans please and thank you.
Still rudeness aside he isnt entirely wrong ...
during both events 80 of the posts here and on the live chats were pitiful excuses for the american players and complaints about balances and characters for whoever the japanese (and koreans) guys were touching .
Does Wolfkrone truly need d*ckriders chanting their "he only had ssf4 ae 2 days" mantra ? especially from folks that probably dont even know him eprsonally ? I dont think he cares .
Or what about bitching against phoenix when it was still somewhat ok from us players to use her .
What then of people making up excuse for wong having too many games on his plate , when he always play a mvc +street , and when tokido even ranked at tekken 6 ?
I mean come on ...
Trust me everyone hates Phoenix regardless of location AE on the other hand Viper remains pretty much unchanged so no point in disputing that.
The double standards between American and Japanese players that go on in the FGC make it very unappealing. If an American player does win EVO with Phoenix you will hear complaints, except from those who wanted the Japanese players to win. On top of that you have people generalizing way too much. It's really kind of silly. I feel for the most part it comes from people who are barely involved in the community as a whole anyways.
Everybody here is an idiot. Do you want to know the real reason top players or good players dont help lower level players? When you try to help and give advice they wont know how to take it. Some will act like they know what you said but continue to do the same thing just to look cool but end up looking dumb. Other will think they're already good but they are infact trash, so when try to help they'll try to write you off because they dont know any better. Also most of the top players learned on their own so what limits low level players from doing the same? Ppl need to learn to fend for themselves because in a single tourney nobody going help you.
You DO realize not only you called everyone an idiot, you also called Daigo an idiot too?
Guess who's the only idiot here.
@craziryu
Your completely right! you better tell Daigo that so he'll know!
@ #36
Not, you'll definitely hear people calling out the champ if they use Phoenix. Actually, most players who make it far using Phoenix will probably be called out.
American or Japanese, there will always be extremists rooting for either country, there's not stopping the whining that will come from letting a Phoenix player take the championship at MvC3.
I was really disappointed when I saw that such a great japanese player like Tokido had to stoop so low as to having to use her.
@#39 :::can't tell if trolling or just retarded....:::
These questions are significantly better than others from before. I hope every competitor reads this.