To keep all of the results from getting too cluttered the breakdown of Revelations and CEO have been separated into two separate stories, but you can find embeds of both streams in this story as well.
Yun, Yang, Ken.
3rd Strike all over again, minus CAPCOM's mascot!
What happened to Juicebox? Did he get elimintated? I don't see it here.
@ #8 Thanks, that sucks. I wanted to see more dancing...
Why is Tekken, Blaz, and Arcana results listed and NOT Mortal Kombat 9?
Thank you for updating with the MK results. Many of us really want that game to succeed, and those who participated put up really admirable efforts. The kommunity needs support right now, so again, thank you. It means a lot to us.
ReveLAtions was so hype. I'm glad that the patched version of MK was used. Anyone know why it wasn't for CEO? Also it was my first time watching high level Tekken and I was loving every minute of it! The most hype part of this tourney for me was KOF XIII! When that game releases it is going to be a uphill battle to get to the level of those players.
This tournament was almost done and it was fun, for the next tournament. Mortal Kombat 9 and BlazBlue Continuum Shift II will be combined together to make Mortal Kombat vs. BlazBlue which it will exist next year.
Terrible seeding in the SSF4AE singles tournament. Some seriously under par players got into top 8 that certainly didn't deserve to be there over some of the players sent to losers or eliminated. I guess they were too busy making crappy dubstep trailers to bother with making a proper bracket that didn't have the top players killing eachother in the pools.
You guys are nuts. The other tournament had Akuma/Rose/Dhalsim final. This Tournament has Yun/Fei, and BIG surprise.... It's the two BEST players in the WORLD!
I think it's safe to say at this point that it's Daigo and Mago that make Yun/Fei top tier picks.
The player makes the character gentelmen. Not the other way around. If your skills aren't "Top Tier" it doesn't matter who you pick.
@20 You're an idiot. CEO gaves a look at how the twins most likely aren't going to be as strong as everyone thought
Mike Ross was exceptional, he did very well despite his character's nerfs. But you people still need to be mindful that he didn't get to fight Mago or Daigo (who are using Fei and Yun).
From Revelations, Yun/Fei Long certainly seem to be the best as long as the player is able to exploit their power. Daigo swept Mago's Fei and I'd say pretty convincingly.
You also have to keep in mind that Mike hasn't fought a Sagat yet. In my opinion that is E. Honda's worse match-up, so it's not all gravy yet. lol
For Evo, I suspect Tokido/Daigo/Mago/Wolf Krone/Justin Wong/Mike Ross/Arturo to be fighting it out. Looks like these guys are ready. xD
Awesome streams, I enjoyed it.
Mago is "THE ELIMINATOR"!
Just look at his kill list:
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated Hsien Chang (Yun) 3-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated AG|Latif (C. Viper) 2-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated Infiltration (Akuma) 2-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated WolfKrone (C. Viper) 2-1.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated John Choi (Ryu) 2-1.
• MCZ|Mago (Sagat) eliminated EG|Ricky Ortiz (Rufus) 2-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated DRS|NashFan (Chun-Li, Rose) 2-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated Combofiend (Makoto) 2-0.
• MCZ|Mago (Fei Long) eliminated Hugo101 (M. Bison, Yun) 2-0.
@21
So true. Before AE came to consoles it was the twins this and the twins that. Watching these tournaments showed that it's the player and not the character. The twins aren't as OP as people were making them out to be (they are no cakewalk, but no need for the song and dance).
@24 Then I guess you didn't see CEO.
@THE_GODDAMN_MASTER So how's them CEO results? LOL
@33
Are you telling me a lower tier character (Honda) can beat THREE HIGHER TIER CHARACTERS! (Akuma, Yun, Yang!)
Omg! The console must have been malfunctioning! This can't happen!
The twins, in the hands of J.Wong and Marn should NEVER LOSE!
Sorry, I'm just loving the irony of all the Pre-Release Bull $hit!
Is it a big surprise that the only successful Yun/Fei today are Daigo and Mago?
Nope. Not to me. Check the old posts chumps. All the "shaking in your boots" was for nothing.
@ FlawlessMatador
I've seen CEO. There was no one that played Yun at his full potential like Daigo did. Wait a few months and you'll see American players get better.
There was NO ONE at revelations that had a chance against Daigo. He swept the whole competition with ease, even Mago. Yun is broken.
I really hope Tokido has an answer to that, or maybe Poongko or someone like Mike Ross on a good day. But at the moment I don't see any other players take the beast down.
I always liked Daigo, but to be honest it's boring now that he plays Yun. The Ryu days were better, way more exciting.
#24 Has a point whether people want to acknowledge it or not. The first ssf4 major had a mixed cast if I recall correct in the top 8 6 characters where represented but in this one there were 4 yuns yangs and fei in top 8 in each one.
That means if you combine the top 8 for each tourney to make a top 16, half of that top 16 was yun yang and fei.
Counter arguments but it was Daigo Mago Gamerbee Wong and Floe.
But Mago Daigo recognize top tier and they rank them as the best. Mago played Sagat in sf4 top tier, Diago played ken in 3s top tier, ryu in sf4 top tier. My point is when they change mains its for a good reason.
Gamerbee used FEI to fight Yun and to those who would say "but he used Akuma to" I would say he used to main him also ;)
Floe is good at recognizing characters with advantages also sf4 Sagat ssf4 Rufus ssf4ae Yang
Daigo Umehara Yun
Mago Fei Long
Yun
Yang
Yun
GamerBee Fei Long
Yang
Justin Wong Yang
Im not saying they cant be beat or they are broken but I am saying it seems that ssf4ae is not as balanced as ssf4
oh and marn falling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnyMSr...
@39
Isn't Fei supposed to be a counter-pick to Yun?
And do you really expect to see someone play Yun like Daigo does? Did anyone play Ryu the way Daigo does?
I honestly think this says more about how great Daigo is than it does about how broken Yun is. If character has only been shown to be dominant in a dominant player's hands, then it's really on the player and not the character.
@ #44
Don't know if Fei is a counterpick to Yun, but Mago was free in the final. And Mago is probably the best Fei on the planet. The player's skill is important, but don't underestimate the character. Daigo was more dominant than ever. Revelations had Fei Long, Viper, Ryu, Dhalsim, Ibuki and Rufus players who play their character at it's full potential. In a balanced game you would think that the fights would be close. But no, everyone was free. Say whatever you want but the game isn't balanced like Super was. Capcom F**ked up this time.
yeah it's not fair for Yun is use top tier character like daigo. If he would use low tier characters. yun has no chance.
Yun has dominated the Japanese charts much in the way vanilla Sagat did, Ryan Hart in Japan has witnessed first hand how Yun's mixup/pressure game is grossly overpowered, and Ono himself admits he made AE and Yun imbalanced to "foster a competitive community". The children here claiming Yun isn't imbalanced are either deluded fools or apologists.. the same kids that claimed vanilla Sagat was fine, Sentinel was fine, etc.
Grow up.
@41 when the hell was ryu top tier in sf4? he is almost never top tier in any game, always mid tier. only reason he seemed OP was diago using him.
@SAMURAI You seriously expect people to use Yun on Daigo's level?
@51
No one is claiming Yun isn't imbalanced. EVERY fighting game has a character who is "imbalanced." What I am saying, and what I assume (but won't say because I don't want to speak for anyone else) the other people are saying is that he isn't BROKEN. He isn't OVERPOWERED.
He's a strong character, yes, but this idea that he breaks the game, and that all we'll ever see in tournaments is Yun, and the top 8 will be all Yuns etc. etc. That stuff is just overreacting. I really feel that these 2 tournaments go a long way at showing that.
For my own clarification, how many major tournaments were won by a player using Vanilla Sagat?
yeah Yun is top tier. nobody said he is not top tier, but he is broken and he is beatable. every fighting 2d fighters have top tiers. if you don't like it, maybe quit fighting games is a good idea. SF X tekken will have few top tier characters too.
@ samuari:
How is it more exciting to see Daigo's Ryu? B/c he has a better chance of losing now that EVERYONE practically figured him out after three years playing against him? Daigo zoned with Ryu. You think seeing his Ryu do cr. mk into fireball over and over and over again is more exciting than his rushdown with Yun? IMO, regardless of who Daigo picks, his execution is what the match exciting to watch, not the character he picks. Out of 30 combos, he probably only drops 2-3 of them. That's insane execution.
And for the record, U.S is free in AE right now compare to Japan. Stop making the excuse that Japan had AE longer than U.S, therefore, Japan had an unfair advantage. AE came out to the world at the same time. If U.S. arcades decide not buy the AE cabinet (yes I know it costs a lot) when it came out, how is Japan hainvg an unfair advantage? It's not Japan's fault that the arcade scene in the U.S. is dead. Step your game and maybe you guys can beat them at Evo.
FYI to Samurai:
The last half of my comment is not aimed towards you :)
Dame people still hating on Yun because he's top-tier. Well the CEO tournament surely did quite a bit to prove that neither Yun nor Yang can take tournaments for free.
Like I've said before. Yun is only rightfully considered top-tier when you get to the professional level. Yun is not top-tier at all when it comes to the level of casual gameplay.
Yun does have his advantages over other characters, but it takes quite a bit of skills to fully utilize those advantages. Most casual gamers in america just dont have the necessary skills required to fully utilize the advantages that capcom has given to yun. And if you can't fully use those advantages, then Yun will be more like B-tier.
Yun is not like Vanllia Sagat or SSF4 Guile. Any random scrub can just pick up Vanilla-Sagat or SSF4-Guile and play like a beast with those two characters. But if a random scrub tries to pick up Yun, then he'll gett beat down HARD.
Vanilla Sagat can easily pull off cheap victories by mashing that DP and spamming tiger-shots. SSF4 Gule can also easily claim cheap victories by zoning with sonic-booms and flashkicks, not to mention his standing uppercut as an anti-air.
Yun does not have an easy walk to victory the way that vanilla sagat and ssf4 guile did. you actually have to work for your win if youre using Yun.
@51
"Yun has dominated the Japanese charts much in the way vanilla Sagat did, Ryan Hart in Japan has witnessed first hand how Yun's mixup/pressure game is grossly overpowered, and Ono himself admits he made AE and Yun imbalanced to "foster a competitive community". The children here claiming Yun isn't imbalanced are either deluded fools or apologists.. the same kids that claimed vanilla Sagat was fine, Sentinel was fine, etc.
Grow up."
Ryan Hart was last seen at the NSB-25 tournament. Where momochi blew everyone up with his Yun. Now this more or less supports post #59 which I just wrote up.
In post #59, I was saying that Yun is definately top-tier but only when it comes to the profession level. Yun is not like Vanilla Sagat or SSF4 Guile, characters which any noob can just pick up anmd play beastly with.
NSB competitors are definately TOP-CLASS PROS in JAPAN. But do you really think that the average gamer comes anywhere near the NSB competitors in terms of raw-skills? I don't think so. Matter of fact, I don't even think that Justin Wong or Marn (Best Twin users in US) are as good as the NSB Yuns such as MDR, Kindevu, Momochi, Daigo, etc...
Most people in the US will not be able to use Yun the same way that Yun is used at the profession NSB level. You may find it hard to believe, but TIERS DO CHANGE WHEN THE SKILL LEVEL CHANGES. The tier-lists on the profession level is not the same as the tier-list for the level of the average gamer. When you look at people with on-point execution, on-ppoint spacing, etc... the tier-list are going to change when comparing people who execution, spacing, etc... are not so good.
@47
"Don't know if Fei is a counterpick to Yun, but Mago was free in the final. And Mago is probably the best Fei on the planet. The player's skill is important, but don't underestimate the character. Daigo was more dominant than ever. Revelations had Fei Long, Viper, Ryu, Dhalsim, Ibuki and Rufus players who play their character at it's full potential. In a balanced game you would think that the fights would be close. But no, everyone was free. Say whatever you want but the game isn't balanced like Super was. Capcom F**ked up this time."
Super was balanced??? Go to 0ShinAkuma0's channel on youtube and watch the ACE EI RI N Guile playlist and tell me that super was balanced.
BTW, in the beginning of your post, the argument you made was that Mago is the best fei long in the planet and Daigo easily beat him using Yun. So that means that Yun is OP. Well, if you're going to use that argument then you should consider watching videos of the Canada Cup when Daigo used Guile against Mago's Fei Long.
BTW, one thing that the tournament organizers should think about changing are the policies of friends giving each other advices during tournament matches. You could tell that WolfKrone was getting irritated by the fact that Infiltration was telling Laugh how to fight Krone's viper. But it's nice how Krone ended up beating Laugh anyways.
i think coaching is fine. When tokido was playing mvc3, there was alot of coaching/advices going on too. Tokido doesn't had any problem with it.
Heh, i remember talking about who is the best SF player and heard Daigo was the best SF player, then i went to watch his videos and saw him as a turtling ryu with great execution and thinking "man if only this dude used a rush down character like fei long he would probably be more dominant"
Now hes using a rushdown character(Yun can put more pressure than fei can) and look what we have here.
Heh and thanks to the japanese finally getting their hands on fei long with AE, they proved that fei was really a good character which the US players didn't believe except the ones who used him UNTIL this day.
Forever us US players will always be one step behind the japs.
Yun is an easy to use brainless character anyone can win with him. Daigo is a tier whore slut.
I hope this weekend showed people how cheap Phoenix is.
Those of you saying Tokido did it mostly without Phoenix, Justin had to change his team BECAUSE of Phoenix, and it was apparent he didn't know how to use Tronne nor Amaterasu well, he just had to use them to deal with her better. If she wasn't there, he wouldn't have to adjust his ENTIRE GAME around that one, obnoxious, horribly designed character, and he would've probably have one.
Phoenix is cheap, and its becoming clear that she is borderline broken.
And I really don't think you know what you are talking about Novacane.....Daigo is just as competent, if not more so, at playing the patient zoning game, not a "turtle ryu" game. Its just he switched to Yun because he is clearly the best, has nothing to do with Daigos play style.
These comments on eventhubs always make me facepalm so hard whenever a more popular event takes place, and the uneducated fighting game players come out in full force in the comments.
People need to learn how to stop talking like they know everything, when they clearly don't.
Obviously I am subject to this as-well with my post about Phoenix, but Im fine with people disagreeing with me, it's my opinion, people need to stop acting like their opinion is fact
Funny because Tokido had a beast Wolverine as a counter if the opponent got to snap happy and it showed Wong was so concentrated on Phoenix it hurt him.
Also Super was balanced Guile was only top tier online realy Guile never even won a major.
Not really important whether you attach the word 'broken' to a character or not. The top tier in this game are more dominant than in any other installment of the SF4 series. The odds of seeing varied characters (and your main) in the final of any tournament are smaller. Conclusion: less fun to watch.
Typical... Why do we (US) always have to make excuses when we fail at something. This "Us against the World" mentality is getting old and worst yet... the excuses when we fail shows that we are a classless community.
Japan and other Asian countries are dominating right now in SSF4 AE & MVC3. This just means we need to work harder to get to that level. If you're not up for the challenge, I suggest you pick up RPG games. All this talk that this character is "over powered, unbalanced, broken, etc... is all an excuse. Perhaps I'm wrong but most US players changed mains in AE as well. Jwong/Yang, Marn/Yun, PR Rog/Yang, etc... Yet no one brings this up. And, wasn't the last remaining US player using Yun (Bionic Arm). He lost to Mago's Fei pretty convincingly and we seen Daigo blow Mago up with his Yun. What does this boil down to... EXECUTION.
To add on to this poor US attitude, US players made a big deal about the US being the best in MVC and saying Japan is FREE. Great way to stay classy and back up your words. Tokido blew us up in MVC3 and now you all want to say the Phoenix is broken and should be banned. I'm pretty sure that Phoenix is a selectable character for anyone. If you can't counter pick to win, than that you're poor selection.
US players are way too "over-zealous". Just look at the reactions to victories by Art, Mike Ross, Marn, etc. No CLASS and respect!!! Even the commentator SkiSonic is bias. Always putting Asian players down (you need a new job...) Stay classy US & keep making excuses!!!
@ #72
And, wasn't the last remaining US player using Yun (Bionic Arm). He lost to Mago's Fei pretty convincingly and we seen Daigo blow Mago up with his Yun. What does this boil down to... EXECUTION.
Execution and the fact that the US playersare not familiar with the new characters like Japan is. AE is out on consoles for only a few days. Justin will get better, Marn will get better,....
When it comes down to the point that every character is played at his full potential it's a fact that Yun is the strongest by far.
Daigo, Mago, Wolfkrone, they all have a strong character, and they all play their character at it's full potential. And look what happened. Revelations was free for Daigo. Yes it's his skill, but don't say that the character has got nothing to do with it.
EVO 2011 goes to Daigo, unless someone like Tokido or Poongko steps up with an answer to his Yun. Mike Ross got a very solid Honda, maybe he can do something.
Top player like Justin Wong wants to have a chance he needs to step up his game, drop all the rest and concentrate on AE.
I like Japanese players allot, but I want to see exciting fights.
"What does this boil down to... EXECUTION."
No.
The order of dependance is as follows.
execution (reflexes, timing, reactions, performing exactly what you intended to perform in all circumstances) -> technical knowledge (matchup, spacing, what works where etc.) -> theory (metagame, mind-games, emotional intelligence) -> instinct (yomi, thinking without thinking)
If a preceding factor stops being dependable (not just failing once, but over and over and your composture slips) then everything in front of it will be denied access to (unless they abandon its importance).
Execution is the very first thing a player should have down, and all the top players have it down; it goes without saying.
Unless you just meant something else by 'execution'?
@73 Marn and Justin were playing in arcades before the game was on console you retard
I didn't mean anything, I was just quoting the guy above me.
But to answer your question. No, not every player has the same kind of execution. Dropping your combos is a part of execution. Some top players almost never drop a combo, they've got better execution than others.
@77 My burning hatred for you got the better of me.
@77
Agreed that the overall arcade skill level between US and Japan is significant, so unless our best players head to Japan for a month to level up, I don't see the results in EVO being much different. Daigo and company are going to continue to play Japan's best while the top US players are either going to play somewhat less skilled players in arcades or brand new AE players on consoles. Either way it doesn't bode well.
You do realize that at the time the game came out, the skill difference between US and Japan was exactly zero, so why are they higher level now? It all comes down to the fact that their players are better at breaking down the game, or put more time, effort and thought into it.
All of this talk about broken this, high tier that, nerf this shows just what sort of attitude the US has toward putting in the time to learn a game, vs putting in time whining about stuff on forums.
One tournament does not mean Japan rules FFS they didn't even win in this one.
I can't watch the end of the Diago/Mago Grand Finals. Video won't play!
@90 Bajas
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He destroyed players during his exhibition/money matches, but got flusterd during the tournament. I've seen this before at several tournaments...he played incredible during the tournament but kinda cracked in Grand Finals.
Don't know about you but loading the firts videos of the tournament from Level Up is taking for ever.
@69
Thats not the point, the point is his Tronne and Amaterasu are NOT his team. Sure, he could make that his team and step them up just to deal with phoenix, but when people literally have to start designing their teams against countering one character.....its enough man.
@72
Wow, and you are super classy. Just kidding, you sound like a whiney little prick....
People where calling Phoenix broken long before then, and again, poor selection if you can't counterpick her right? When a character is so good that you have to learn an ENTIRE new team, just to counter her (and even if you counter her, she is still really really strong and changes the dynamics of the game) its just too much. I mean respect to Viscant, and respect to Tokido, but do you REALLY believe EITHER of those guys have more skill then Combofiend or Justin Wong respectively? F*ck naw is my answer.
Still not sure why Justin didn't even attempt to use his current main team of SheHulk, Wolverine, Akuma. I know he Phoenix is a factor and he was banking on Trons assist and Ammys slowdown super, but if it wasn't working then why not with what your comfortable with? Plus Marn even said Justin has a Phoenix team hes been working on (where she is not on point) so why not bust that out, if all else fails?
@97
Nice that you can have an adult conversation without reverting to name calling. People can call characters broken and overpower as much as they like. Bear in mind that those exact players can select the same characters like Phoenix and Yun. For whatever reason they chose not to.
You're opinion does not mean much when the proof is in the results of the tournament. I'm pretty sure JWong made the comment that Adon was weak in SSIV and what happen at Evo 2010... Gamerbee exposed him. Again, there is more proof. Get your facts straight before you let people in on your opinion.
Can't for AE top 8