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Change notes for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition reminder

Posted by Catalyst — June 6, 2011 at 5:41 p.m. PDT

With Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition's DLC release tomorrow, now is a good time to catch up on the changes that were documented by the Japanese development team months ago telling how the older fighters were upgraded, or in some cases downgraded.

Keep in mind these blogs didn't list every single change, but they did provide a good portion of them.

Developer change notes for SSF4's 35 cast members
• Dhalsim, M. Bison (Dictator), Akuma, T. Hawk and Adon
• Guile, Seth, Dee Jay and Hakan
• Zangief, Sagat, Dan and Dudley
• Blanka, Abel, Gen and Makoto
• E. Honda, Gouken, Rose and Ibuki
• Chun-Li, El Fuerte, Sakura and Cody
• Ryu, Balrog (Boxer), C. Viper, Cammy and Guy
• Ken, Vega (Claw), Rufus, Fei Long and Juri

You can also find links to the hitbox changes for SSF4's cast members in Arcade Edition by clicking the link below.

Developer hit box notes for SSF4's 35 cast members
• Ryu, Cammy, C. Viper, Guy and Balrog (Boxer)
• E. Honda, Gouken, Rose, Ibuki, Seth and Akuma
• Blanka, Abel, Gen, Makoto, Dee Jay & T. Hawk
• Chun-Li, El Fuerte, Sakura, Cody, Guile, M. Bison (Dictator)
• Zangief, Sagat, Dan, Dudley, Hakan and Adon
• Ken, Vega (Claw), Rufus, Fei Long, Juri and Dhalsim

Also, since it's bound to come up a lot here in the very near future, here's the hit box on Yun's Dive Kick in SSF4 AE. The green area is the hittable region, while the red square is the area the opponent can be hit by.

Comments

thepuscifer said on June 6, 2011 at 1:47 a.m.

excellent, been looking for this for a while. Thanks Catalyst

alfarin said on June 6, 2011 at 1:50 a.m.

RE: Cammy Changes

So. They've taken away a glitch and pretty much made her normals faster (less recov. time) and easier to link?

Yeah. Bring it the bleep on Yun army.

SnakeX said on June 6, 2011 at 2:01 a.m.

I was just about to ask if you were going to add the hit box data as well but you beat me to the punch, thanks Catalyst! :)

Grimmjow316 said on June 6, 2011 at 2:08 a.m.

Mecha Gief ready for upgrade against Yun.

Powder if you are reading what did you mean about the range in Yun's command throw?

Banzai said on June 6, 2011 at 2:56 a.m.

Thanks for this, very informative.

RedPantyAddict said on June 6, 2011 at 3:04 a.m.

I'd pay with all those Links and Frame Data to get those Cannon Strikes back. Seriously. I spent like 6 to 8 months in the Lab to get it right on both sides. And now it's just cut out.
Anyway, I'm playing a lot of Sakura in these last hours before AE, because there's the possibility that I won't like the "new" Cammy. So I need a new main character.

Overall:
I'm kinda pissed Fei Long got buffed. He was retarded good in Super! In AE he's a god. Sure he isn't broken like certain characters out of certain old games, but still. You just notice the difference in power while playing him (Well not the dmg, but you feel really that Fei Long is stronger than your character).

Why they nerfed Ryu again.. I have no idea.

Banzai said on June 6, 2011 at 3:26 a.m.

i have again read the changes on Fei and i can't understand why he's got pushed so high at the tier list. Can anybody explain why these changes are so significant ?

Davison89 said on June 6, 2011 at 3:31 a.m.

Ryu is over played in Super online, every other if not every match in ranked is against Ryu for me. Its SUPER annoying.

Super_Shoto_Fighter_4 said on June 6, 2011 at 3:36 a.m.

@RedPantyAddict

I switch from Cammy to Sakura as well lol. I've been playing Sakura for in endless and training mode for the release of AE. Sakura's light tatsu feels like an armour breaking version of Cammy's tkcs. Her improved fireball should help her meter build from full screen I hope.

Vandal_Vortex said on June 6, 2011 at 3:48 a.m.

@Banzai

fei is top because nd he got slightly buffed where as other characters got nerfed on things they would use a lot, fei long's nerfs are nothing, he was already good in super so its no suprise

#10

logic_boi said on June 6, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.

I've always loved Cammy but could never get those TKCS down :( but now that I aint got to worry about them (EX version easier to do) I'm looking forward to playing New Cammy w/ Buffed normals. Also seeing Sako and likely Alioune dropping her somebody's going to have to pu godlike level status w/ her :)

#11

Dtwizzy said on June 6, 2011 at 5:14 a.m.

Makoto will be the new cammy. Her Instant air kick is easier in AE. Not as low as cammy's in super but close enough.

#12

eightbO said on June 6, 2011 at 5:37 a.m.

(This comment was removed by a moderator.)

#13

Stefanten said on June 6, 2011 at 5:47 a.m.

#13
lol stop trollingk

#14

zufir said on June 6, 2011 at 5:53 a.m.

^ deleted by capcom.
...

LINK PLIS

#15

Stefanten said on June 6, 2011 at 6:01 a.m.

#15
He's just linking to an old trailer for AE DLC that got taken down, don't get excited.

#16

Sasuga said on June 6, 2011 at 6:05 a.m.

I'm sticking to Cammy and Juri. Very curious to see what the changes will do to my game.

#17

Nukka said on June 6, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.

Can't wait to play as the new and improved Ryu!....

Oh wait.... Lol, no problem though, atleast maybe i'll be one of the few rare Ryu players left.

#18

R4HU1 said on June 6, 2011 at 7:11 a.m.

Sweet, just what I wanted :D

#19

mfinnegan73 said on June 6, 2011 at 7:35 a.m.

even though yun and yang are considered the best I don't think they will be used to much online because I look like they can't be spammed like ryu or ken. I could be completely wrong

#20

abdelmajidtolba said on June 6, 2011 at 8:03 a.m.

enough of cammy and that scrubby sakura,speak about the real deal the world warriors

#21

DeadlyMoves said on June 6, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.

@ #20 i completely agree. The twins might be the best, but there not scrub friendly like Ryu, Ken n Sagat. So i dont think they'll be much of a problem online. Not at my level anyways...

I'm so happy my main got buff's.. Thanx for the Adon love Capcom :D

#22

powderedtoastman said on June 6, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.

@#4 Grimmjow316
Lol, you must be talking about the other one(the imposter with the joke spelling) But from what ive noticed yun ex command grab almost extend as much as his C. mp hitbox does without kara'n it. For a small character its very good cause he doesnt have a wide hitbox like most with command grabs. Indeed mecha gief assemble and runic thawk ready to put the twins down. Poor hakan is still not cuttin it >:(

#23

caruga said on June 6, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.

@alfarin/2: That's a great way of spinning it. Actually the glitch is still there, technically; the height restriction property just stops it from being exploited (and then goes even higher than that).

#24

lynx_ID said on June 6, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.

yeah thanx capcom for made vega better in ae with all those buffs, you made vega from mid tier to low tier again...

but fei and sagat need buffs, and zangief that was high... ohh well still mainning vega but thats unfair

#25

WinstonChurchill said on June 6, 2011 at 8:50 a.m.

@#25

Just adjust to the changes. You'll be fine. We'll all be fine :D

#26

jme said on June 6, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.

just add AE right next the SSF4 page filled with this stuff.

#27

caruga said on June 6, 2011 at 8:59 a.m.

@20: You're right that it doesn't affect the population of scrub-land. However, I'm sure with the series' being out for 3 years the overall skill level has risen, and good players will get matched up with other good players, including good Yuns, and it will be applicable there.

Anyone who was at home with old Cammy or Rufus and switched to Yun should pick him up quickly. He doesn't have the same training/execution barrier that a character like Viper has, either.

#28

SecretCharacter said on June 6, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.

I think I just realized why this AE is so unbalanced. Capcom wants everyone to get sick of yun/yang/this game by the time SF X Tekken comes out. It makes total sense why they would do this.

#29

Nago said on June 6, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.

@#29
Yeah, because what better way to get people to buy your new game than to make them think "wow, I sure did love that broken piece of sh*t they put out not more than a few months ago. Better drop $60 on their brand new game!"

#30

powderedtoastman said on June 6, 2011 at 9:22 a.m.

@#29
lol intentionally sabotaging one game for another down the line doesnt make total sense seeing how they would taint their image by doing so. Thus potentially hurting sales for future releases due to past transgressions.
Plus due to the rock/paper/scissor nature of the game there is balance within that, as everyone can just about be counterpicked except fei long from the sounds of it, which coincidentally the main hate isnt directed towards him.

#31

Felecorr said on June 6, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.

I think they put out that dive kick info to show how easily it can be stuffed.

#32

Grimmjow316 said on June 6, 2011 at 9:58 a.m.

@29 lol funniest post evah!!!

#33

THE_GODDAMN_MASTER said on June 6, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.

@31: By that logic, MvC3 and SF4 wouldn't have sold nearly as well thanks to 3rd Strike.
Also, the last part was frikking depressing. 30+ characters, and less than a fourth of them will be used in tournaments....

#34

mcfizzle said on June 6, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.

Looking forward to the new Gouken. Faster normals will help against all the fast jabbing bastards.

#35

alfarin said on June 6, 2011 at 11:36 a.m.

@caruga/24 I'm... putting on a brave face I suppose. Going to need a rather positive attitude to break through

#36

Felecorr said on June 6, 2011 at 11:36 a.m.

Vega nerfs seriously have to be a f***in' joke.

#37

Raven said on June 6, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.

No one knows the Vega match-up because he's rare, take advantage of that. lol

Also, there are a A LOT of solid players online. I play people from Japan and Europe, and they kick my butt like tournament players. Those good players will pick up Yun and destroy the legions of Ryu armies. Let's face it, the Ryu/Ken army is so fierce Yun/Yang needed to be good. lol

#38

THE_GODDAMN_MASTER said on June 6, 2011 at 12:12 p.m.

@38: Yun and Yang needed to be this insanely good to beat online Ryu/Ken players? *lolwut*

#39

powderedtoastman said on June 6, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.

@#34
lol reading too much into and using the wrong logic about it. sf4 series wasnt even near the horizon when 3s came out, sfxt is however. Plus 3s been around for about 10+ years and getting another chance at a come back, clearly wasnt a intentional sabotage.
Ive seen a decent chunk of variety in current japanese tournaments so far and AE been out for like 6 months now. And many other fighting games tend to end up with a small handful being used in tourneys. History repeats itself.

#40

Grimmjow316 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:23 p.m.

You can't reason with him he's got a 3s vendetta borderline trolling watch him label me a 3s fanboy when I almost never play the game unless I go to the arcade which is very rare.

#41

JanTheMan said on June 6, 2011 at 12:26 p.m.

Many people who started on the SF4 series haven't used Yun and Yang... so you wouldn't see many good Yuns and Yangs...
I have some experience with them in SF3rd so I know their basic links and target combos...
I most likely gonna use Yang as I love doing 18/20-hit crouching jab with SA3 (I wish it's possible in AE... or is it?).

#42

coldviper18 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:32 p.m.

Interesting how half of Gen's "Changes" aren't changes. cr mp is now cancellable. Uh what? It always was. Same with both mk's...

#43

Taxattack123 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.

I wish they made Hawks dashes better, increase his walkspeed and gave a lot less start up for condor spire. But I should just stitch characters, haha.

#44

Taxattack123 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.

*switch

#45

darko_p86 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:39 p.m.

when does the AE disc come out again?

#46

Taxattack123 said on June 6, 2011 at 12:42 p.m.

And decrease recovery on spire

#47

MrFystical said on June 6, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.

@44 Hey, you gotta love the changes to T. Hawk, though, especially since he's so rarely used hardly anyone knows how to play against him.

#48

MarLightning said on June 6, 2011 at 2:51 p.m.

I can't wait to play Gen in AE because Gen was improved a lot. GET HYPE!!!

#49

Beehol said on June 6, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.

Guy... yessir. So stoked.

My latest game w/ Guy, can't wait to use these mixups on the online culprits! Safe jump setups can't be stuffed by Yun and Yang like they can by any shoryukens. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEvAMW...

#50

Phynx said on June 6, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.

Well, it's 6/7. When does this thing go live?

#51

HKsupastar said on June 6, 2011 at 11:47 p.m.

AE...where are you? I wished Psn and xbox live would give a specified time when they do updates. It's like sitting around the parking lot of the Apple store during a new iphone launch without knowing when the doors will open....but at least it is in the comfort of your home :) so I ain't complaining. Just getting hyped!

#52

ryohumar said on June 7, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.

Yeah, I keep hoping this thing will go live, but it seems like there's no *set* time for these updates.

#53

Freyzii said on June 7, 2011 at 12:18 a.m.

My main man Cody only gets buffs FANTASTIC! Downloading the DLC within the next 2 days or so.

#54

MarLightning said on June 7, 2011 at 2:14 a.m.

Right now it's Tuesday and 2:12 am. Where is the DLC??? =(

#55

MarLightning said on June 7, 2011 at 2:18 a.m.

Oh maybe do we have to wait for Hawaii to get midnight then we all in the world can get the DLC?

#56

redfactor said on June 7, 2011 at 2:24 a.m.

It's 10:25am here! :( no dlc for Xbox yet.

#57

MrPsycho said on June 7, 2011 at 2:26 a.m.

someone help me out, im on xbox, but got the game from on demand, i didnt even get the patch let alone the dlc. :| all my friends have got the patch at minimum... anyone can lend me any help please...

#58

Rafabio said on June 7, 2011 at 3:58 a.m.

@MrPsycho

Some posters on Shoryuken.com also reported having issues with the on demand version of SSFIV. Not sure if the AE DLC is compatible with that?

Here are some posts on that issue:

"I keep getting "Failed to load downloable cpmtemt, Data is corrupted. Downloadable may not be availa in the game as a result" anyone else get this?"

"Ugh now I feel even more dumb for staying up this late. The update won't even work for me because I'm using the Games on DEmand version of SSFIV. Wow. UGH. Lol"

"Is your SSF4 downloaded from Games on Demand? There seems to be an issue with that right now. I had the same problem."

#59

U4iA27 said on June 7, 2011 at 7:45 a.m.

this is y hard copy will always be better when it comes to high profile releases such as this.even tho I'm not a big fan of 3s (I love all sfs with that one being my least fav) it would be nice if they had both a disc release as well as the dlc.

#60

NMS84 said on June 7, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.

I main Vega and I'll always main Vega. Nerfs or buffs be damned, you should stick to the character you enjoy playing with. F**k tier whores, just enjoy the game.

#61

sojiki said on June 7, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.

All day 1 yuns are a 10.

Daigos yun a 12 ... GG's everyone Ae is done
heres praying for SfxTekken and Super Marvel 3 to be better :D

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