At the Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 panel during EVO 2011, Capcom developers Ryota Niitsuma, NeoG and Seth Killian dished a lot of information about the upcoming game. Here's a transcript of the notable details they had to offer.• There will be a new strategy guide for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and some of the people at EVO are involved with the process of creating it. It sounded like this will have frame data and be similar to the BradyGames guide released before.
• Capcom considered a DLC spectator mode for the original MvC3.
• While talking about balancing the games the battle director, NeoG, said there are two different schools of thought when it comes to balancing. One is to balance the characters around the game's tool sets and the other is to give characters unique attributes and balance them out that way. UmvC3 is built around the unique stuff.
• In regards to Venom and Gambit not making the cut, they reiterated that Marvel has a lot of say as to who makes it or not.
• Everyone has mashable attacks in UMvC3, meaning that you can mash the buttons to do more damage.
• Capcom feels the quality assurance team has some really strong players on it overall.
• Someone said they noticed a damage increase in the game, but NeoG said they hadn't changed how much life stuff takes off. If could be a by product of the shorter lifebars.
• A lot of casual users apparently didn't see the X factor gauge so Capcom made it more visible. They also wanted to try something new with the lifebars. They're aware a lot of people don't like it, and they're listening. In the newest build they've changed the UI a bit, but Capcom couldn't bring that build with them. The X-Factor gauge isn't over the top either anymore.
• In regards to balancing games NeoG said they watch tournaments and follow the community when they're tweaking things. He said Niitsuma must sign off on the changes. They do realize sometimes that things aren't as balanced as intended. In regards to nerfing characters, they don't want to go so far that players completely lose the time investment they've put in.
• When it was asked if Capcom could balance and buff up all assists so they're the same power reltively, and the same person also wondered how much the current assists have been changed. They said it's a tall order to make them all roughly the same. As far as how much they touched them, you'll have to see when it comes out.
• Hawkeye was created to be very different than Taskmaster.
Having a characters with health at 400,000 was ridiculous enough, Phoenix having even less health on UMVC makes it the most ridiculous nerf ever. I wish she was a normal character with normal health, of course without the whole Dark Phoenix X-Factor damage output crazyness.
I just hate the kill fast or die fast situation your force into by selecting this character.
• Phoenix has less health now.
Wow... less running away because 1 action per jump and less healt. Literally 1 touch KO????
I think a damage nerf was better than nerfing her health. She can't run away anymore so she will get hit faster than in vanilla Mvc3, so less health than she already has is just to much of a nerf.
@ #8 I know, phoenix deserves A LOT more health. I'm a free scrub too. as you can tell by my name so phoenix had the one fireball while jumping nerf I was like WTF, this better come with a health buff to 700K to 900K like sentinel. Her teleport is difficult to use offensively and to get her out of tight situations. And I hate when scrubs and frauds like combofiend beat legit phoenix players like clockwork. Phoenix has like no other tools other than her fireballs and it takes 5 whole meters to get dark phoenix.
It's very hard to get 5 meters in UMVC3 because of how they change the TAC. And everyone knows how hard it is to get combos and resets with good meter building capabilities in this game. I hate being a phoenix player not being able to use her to her best like MVC3 vanilla. damn.
Nice, servbot launcher 3 times in row? Thats gonna be VERY helpful.
Lol, akuma got less health, good riddence, who knows they might buff him like ryu.
@3
He is health got nerfed actually, makes sense considering what he can do now.
Phoenix and Akuma getting less health....
Not like they were the 2 characters with the lowest health pools already.
This is just sad....Phoenix could already die from one combo I can't fathom what lower health would do to balance the game...
LOL! @ 11 the moron didn't understand what I was talking about.
I think they f#cked up on thor. They made him slow but thor is 1 of the fastest marvel characters!!! At least give him a beserk charge move like seriously thor isnt just brute force but he is fast as well. He's a god!! And phoenix lower health??? That makes her as strong as a toothpick like seriously capcom? She's not THAT good. You have to have a certain level of skill if you wanna make comebacks with her. Shes becoming a pro only character
• Zero's Max Buster shot can be used to cancel other moves. Say if you do his Shoryuken, you can cancel it with a max shot.
When I first heard about the supposed change on Zero's Z-Buster from hard knockdown to soft knockdown, I was pretty sad. But, this new Buster cancel ability might lead to some new discoveries in combos. On second thought, only his Ryuenjin and Sentsuizan were really the only moves you can't Buster shot after. Raikousen doesn't really count, since most of the time you're doing Level 3 Z-Buster shot › Raikousen. Wow, could this mean we can finally have a reason to put Ryuenjin in our combos if we can Level 3 Z-Buster shot afterwards?
The thing is Phoenix was herp derp. Anyone can repeat Phoenix tactics just by simply watching and never going to training mode. I'm not saying you'll end up beating top players, but you can beat a lot of people with her simple tactics. She's just not fun for me to play
I dont like dat They are Nerfing Phoenix She's legit bt it dnt matter new characters so my gameplay will change and im glad 4 spectator i wuld like replay Ps...hit me up 4 online MvC3 matches on Xbox Ima legit 3rdlord (LilGmoneyMvC3g
So basically...
MARVEL DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT WHAT THERE FANS WANT?! They just want to plug the characters they want, for upcoming films?
Wow all the scrubs just coming out of the woodwork with these phoenix nerfs. The health nerf will probably be as minor as sentinel's, stop complaining. Everyone knew phoenix was going to get nerfed, she involves less practice than hulk, sentinel, wolverine, you name it. Less fireballs? You'll just see more teleporting now. People discover new tactics when nerfs are applied.
Disagree with the pheonix health and akuma health drop??
maybe dark pheonix's health should just deplete faster or something?
and lol at wesker thing, he can throw his sunglasses now?
Being able to cancel out of gun attacks with other specials will seriously buff up Chris. He can now start up SMG and if the opponent tries to jump in he can just grenade them, if they teleport in he can boulder punch them. He'll be tough to approach now. Does anybody think that capcom is now using vanilla versions of games as betas that we pay 60$ for now, or am I being paranoid?
@24 Capcom devs have said that marvel controls which of their characters get in ever since the original mvc3 reveals. I don't really understand why you're complaining about it now.
And honestly you should stop bitching about characters because once you pick your favorite team and get your ass handed to you you'll just pick high tier like everybody else is.
Really? Phoenix has even less health? What's the point of a one-hit-kill character when, by all accounts, she isn't NEARLY as strong as she was in the last version?
(Also, I love how much info we're getting on Chun-Li.)
I don't know about Akuma losing health, but his power output is pretty decent, but I just don't know if he was that strong to need a health nerf. I would have probably just lowered his damage a bit.
I am happy that Spidey can cancel basically his moves now though, I should be able to pull a bit more shenanigans now, and I saw in one of the videos that he can do the web throw horizontally now instead of just at the angle.
I agree that Thor needs a movement buff. He is just too damn slow, although he is extra powerful, but at least give him a chance to be more playable. Or.....god I didn't think I would say this about anyone ins MvC3, but at least give him a re-launch combo
Phoenix weakness was her health in the first place. Nerfing a characters weakness sounds stupid, specially when they definitely could nerf other areas that makes her a strong character. A great example was her one move per jump nerf, thats a nerf that made sense and that was needed.
I hope Shuma is getting more buffs than that. Still, I like the sound of that buff.
Utterly ridiculous what they just did to Phoenix. First her air game as greatly damaged and now you literally take that statement to the extreme by giving her less health. That is not a balanced nurf at all, especially since now Morrigan can drain gauge, Shouma can drain more gauge, Air assist combos can drain gauge, and she already basically died to one hit kills. That is just a completely wasted spot now because of what they are doing to her. Would have just been better to balance X-Factorb more and take that flame feathers off Dark Phoenix when she attacks.
@28 I know MARVEL have been like that in all the Marvel vs games, i would just like to see them listen to fan support...
And to reply to your lame tier comment, seen as you dont know me. I NEVER tier whore in any game. I pick what/who i like not matter how good or bad it/they are. And at my lvl of play, tiers dont really mean anything anyway.
My mains throughout fighting games:
SF2 - Ken
SSF2 - Cammy
SFA - Adon
SF4 - Balrog
SSF4 - Adon
SSF4AE - Adon and Yang(learning Yang in prep for SF3OE)
SF3OE - Will probably be Yang
MvC - Dante, Super Skrull, n never decided on a proper 3rd (maybe Wolverine)
Not much tier whoring going on there ;)
So basically Phoenix, Tron and Sentinel all suck now... way to go Capcom.. nerfs are never good.. just buff the other characters.... Captain America and Iron Man sucked and those changes are really lame...
Time to switch to firebrand until he is nerfed in the next update and wait for Vergil... I'm glad that Zero is not nerfed but he still needs more health.
Having characters that can absorb meter like Shuma and Morrigan is what I think the game needed in the first place.
I'm not a Phoenix player, but I REALLY don't like the change to side aerial exchange removing meter. I would be very happy if they tweaked/removed it before it goes live, but I'm pretty certain that it won't happen.
It would be nice if Capcom makes a report detailing the changes to each character when this game releases.
This is one thing I'd like to see in the Options Menu:
X-FACTOR: ON/OFF
Dormammu has always been able to do Dark Hole midair
I'm not a phoenix player and I don't even like the nerf. They should of made her like this:
Phoenix:
- Less damage
- More health
Dark Phoenix:
- Change how many little projectiles come out when she attacks.
- Slightly more damage
- 400k health?
I believe the only nerf she should of received was the only 1 attack in the air and nothing else. Screwing with her health even more just makes her not even worth playing anymore. Your seriously gambling with her now in UMVC3.
I do Play Phoenix but I dont just Build Meter and I generally start her on point, Shes pretty pro. After this set of nerfs Im dropping her completely. One Air action then float down vulnerable? Basically means SJ. Fireball .... now you cant teleport which was basically her whole game. Then a Health Nerf? I could already one shot other peoples phoenix with any character on my squad. now Phoenix = Free
Side note. Thor's my main and he needs much more than a damn increased range on throws the range on jab wasnt bad at all. Now if they gave H the same range as Jab then it may be worth something.
I can't believe it, of all the characters we know that have or are getting new moves, Spidey isn't one of them.
It's laughable.
There's still time, I know, but Spidey should have been one of the first. An OTG that is combo-able.
Right now all his combos revolve around Web-Swing into Maximum Spider, can we give the guy some variation?
They nerfed Sentinel again wft. Amaterasu buffed why? No news on Jill.
''Everyone has mashable attacks in UMvC3, meaning that you can mash the buttons to do more damage.''
Uh..Ok Capcom.
''Wesker can speed up if he hits you with his sunglasses.''
o_O
''Doctor Doom's Photon Array does more damage when mashing. Doom's mid-air special moves will always knock down now. Jumping Hard has a new variation''
Ah like this, yea that did crappy DMG.
''Dante with the Devil Trigger going can triple jump and air dash twice in a row.''
:D
Zero's Max Buster shot can be used to cancel other moves. Say if you do his Shoryuken, you can cancel it with a max shot.
:D
hulk has a "new" move, "another" charge attack made me giggle. Hopefully they meant a new charge motion move and not another human projectile variation of gamma charge... unless of course its one you can do in the air instead of having to start on the ground first. Would be somewhat helpful for air mobility purposes.
• Zero's Max Buster shot can be used to cancel other moves. Say if you do his Shoryuken, you can cancel it with a max shot.
Hmm...
~Imagines possible corner combo~:
~starts charging shot~
L, M, d+H, Shippuga, L, M, H, Shippuga, L, M, H, Shippuga, H-Ryuenjin, Lv3 Buster, L-Raikousen, S, M, M, H, S, Rekkoha.
OR
L, M, d+H, Shippuga, L, M, H, Shippuga, L, M, H, Shippuga, H-Ryuenjin, Lv3 Buster, Air L-Hienkyaku, Rekkoha.
K, I've made up my mind, I'm not leavin' mah Zero :D!
Oh boy so Ima gonna have to buy A NEW $20 GUIDE for this game GD IT!!!! Crapcom thinks everyones made of money :(
Wait what?! How come I didn't see this >.>?
• Akuma has less health.
Okay... ~removes Akuma from preset teams~
Wesker chucking sunglasses?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8fdZF...
..like a boss
Nerfs should be reserved for extreme circumstances; even then we don't need such drastic overreactions as we are seeing w/ Phoenix. Even though they are adding characters I feel like they are taking away favorite characters as well when they do things like this...RIP Wolverine, Phoenix, Akuma
#61 She's overplayed and overpowered with Dark Phoenix Level 3 X-Factor. It's good that she's being nerfed to hell and back. We don't need any crutch characters in UMvC3.
@ 58 if you were using Akuma as a Tank on your team...
you should think about changing the way you play!
Where are Hsien-ko's buffs? Some new items with anki hou is pointless when it's random. You can't implement random into a strategy.
Damn what a bunch of crybabies phoenix was the handsdown best character of mvc3 u knew she was getting nerfed and needed it wait till the new game comes out and learn some new phoenix tactics instead of a extra god on ur team cough cough dark phoenix that's super easy to get cuz getting five bars ain't nothin unless ur complete ass
it will still be unbalanced with specific teams but they really can't do much
#63 I don't use him as a tank, but having his health lowered is a drawback for my team if I make a single mistake with Akuma.
Look at this:
Taskmaster: 1,100,000
Zero: 800,000
Akuma: 800,000
if Akuma's health is lowered I'd have a "low" health team :p
for example:
Tasky: 1,100,000
Zero: 800,000
Akuma: 600,000?
Finally SOMETHING on spider-man! damn. Id still love to see a new move or something but its better then nothing. Mashing for more damage.... I do that in all fighting games even tho it doesnt really do anything. I mainly got used to it as a Megaman character in MvC2 because you had to do it with all of his hypers and I never stopped lol
LOL @ Sent, Phoenix, And Akuma. Nerfing left and right haha, glad I dont use any of them. poor phoenix... but all phoenix teams will be looking to counterr side TAC's now so it probably wont be that bad. Some of the changes are surprising but oh well, I cant wait to get my hands on the game and see all of the surprises and changes. Ready to see the other 8 in action too.
I'm applauding the phoenix nerfs. I don't like how she's a crutch. You if really like using her, then you'll keep using her in Ultimate. Otherwise you're probably just using her because she's an easy win.
more mashing? it's a sanwa conspiracy to sell more buttons
So, Capcom is going to make a DLC Spectator Mode for the original MvC3? Sweet! This could be my lucky day.
Heck must be chilly out there with the Spectator DLC.
@ 74 - Cant you read?
"Capcom CONSIDERED a DLC spectator mode for the original MvC3"
As in past tense. which means it isnt going to happen anymore. but uMvC3 is going to have spectator mode.
Oh, my mistake, you're right, considered a DLC Spectator Mode means that they're not going to make it happen anymore because UMvC3 have Spectator Mode. I thought considered means to make it happen.
I'm all for balancing, but they nerfed akuma in every way possible. They changed the effects on his moves, took away his x factor tatsu loop, and even dropped his health.
I'm thinking they want people to pick Ryu over Akuma for this game. Ryu has nothing but buffs so, I'm pretty sure people will just drop akuma and pick up Ryu.
I also don't agree with the phoenix health nerf, but if this means she will be less picked then good. Now we wont hear much complaining when someone picks her up and wins.
Let's see [writing] "Spectator Mode for fans who like to play this game and since the mode was in UMvC3, now it's the time to wait for a feature to change the time limit. Gamescom is somewhere in August and Vergil and Nemesis are next to be revealed during Gamescom" There, I made note of that.
Huh, very interesting Tron change with the multi-Servbot launchers, coupled with the reported quicker Drill recovery.
Don't agree with the Phoenix health nerf at all, the 1-air-action nerf was already perfect to keep her in check. Shes lucky you can X-Factor int he air now so she doesn't get chipped out on snapback, but that's still an X-Factor to burn.
I'm alright/pleased with most everything else, though, can't wait to see this game play out!
I'm having some serious dejava with these posts
The same "OMG Phoenix's health is that low? She's gonna be crap tier" from before the release of vanilla.
I don't play, but will watch at events. My question is will we see more stages than the training stage in competition?
Why on earth did they nerf Akuma's health too, it was already horrible in that regard and his best tool got weakened. They even removed the X-factor loop, jeez.
Considering that he was basically used for his assist, people will just drop him and pick Ryu.
This is not how you do balancing.
We already have 1 hit kills in mvc3 so why would they decrease overall health in umvc3?
Basically what the nerf team did as they walked into the development room for UMvC3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noVSbO...
they are really asking you to be good with Phoenix now and probably want DP in as quickly as possible it looks like
You can clearly see the tier whores, scrubs, and people who didn't read the last massive list of nerfs here. Dropping a character because their health was slightly lowered? What happened to picking characters you like? Anyway. I was all like D: To the wesker health nerf, but now i'm all like :D too the speed increase when smacking somebody with his glass.
HELL YEA!
Felicia has her air ok delta kick back like in MvC2! X3
I see what they are doing. They seem to be giving more usage to moves that are kind of, well, usless. I like the buffs on my main teams, sad for tron though but I guess it's needed. I hardly use her as an assist anyways which is a good thing.
@24 Well thats the problem is'nt it, you need to complain to Marvel not Capcom. Go to their site and email them, you want SPECIFIC characters for Marvel side.
@97
Because it's a very small trade-off for the buffs he has gotten. Don't be dumb, nitpicking one detail does not disprove the fact that they DO pay attention to tournaments. That's why X-Factor got changes, and that's why practically all of the top characters got nerfs they needed.
@93 I pick Thor because I like him and Jean because I liked her also now shes utter trash so shes dropped. I like Hisen Ko and dont pick her because in 99% of all matches shes trash. Liking a character does not make them a viable contender. Its funny people acting like the One air option nerf wasnt the most significant nerf ever.
Yea they nerfed weskers health again and made his teleports slower.
I disagree with a variety of these changes. Some of the health nerfs (Phoenix, Akuma) are pretty unwarranted as well as removing the double jump for Iron Man when he's not even good in the mobility department. Still nerfing Sentinel in the combo/health department is also an enigma since the character in this stage in the game is a liability. Although I don't use any of the characters I mentioned, I do feel bad for those who do.
A lot of these nerfs force you to use all of a characters tools and potential. How many times have you seen players use tk overdrive? Only a few players actually go for phoenix combos, user her great air dash, and he great air throw combo. She has some amazing tools and there have been some matches today where phoenix knocks a team out by herself without going dark. You can tell when a players uses phoenix as a character or as a crutch it is just like sent. With Sent people who use him as a crutch use crouching B, Launcher, and air C and nothing else. Better players use the command grab and better players yet understand flights endless uses and how to tiger knee punches and hardrives. Phoenix will go dark faster now if she gets there, but guess what she can x factor right away. She will rise no matter what.
As for Iron Man you guys have really shown your ignorance of the game engine. Canceling moves with air dash basically means he can do magneto like fly combos. One of the most slept on characters got a lot crazier.
Akuma supposedly got a demon flip grab which in CvS 2 and MvC2 you could combo after so that could be insanely deadly. He also got air demon flips supposedly which is also nuts with x factor in the air as well say hello to horrifying air potential. Stop dropping characters on a 80% finished game where they havent even decided how the hud should look yet. Wait and if you buy it jump in training and behold all the new potential.
It would be hilarious if Taskmaster stole wolverines dive kick in umvc3 and shouted "unacceptable"!
With aerial exchange they should make it so if you guess right you get benefits as-well. Like if you guess up correct it just breaks, if you guess right side correct then you take their meter instead, and if you guess down correct you start aerial exchange combo on them.
Now you don't have to do a combo just chip her to death on block.
@11 FreeScrub
you're right, your name suits you. I thought I was being trolled honestly.
@100 No, maybe YOUR Thor is trash, and maybe YOUR Lei-lei is trash. They might be lower in the tiers but if you like a character, then play them. Don't play them because "Oh herp derp, High Tier=Auto Win" because you can still get wrecked by those lower tier characters.
And about Wesker's teleports, they aren't sure if they are slower or not. honestly I don't know how you would make them slower though.
@115 out of 780 matches thor has been on my team 746 times if I couldnt get any wins I wouldnt play him that much. I dont play sentinel wolverine dante or wesker not because they arent the best characters in the game(Because they are) but they only take half a brain to use. To actually play phoenix as is takes a ton of skill unfortunately most players just get 5 meters and spam crouching l into anything which is very Herp a Derp. If you really think you can get wrecked by lower tier characters take Haggar Hisen ko and Arthur up against Magneto Wesker and Phoenix and let me know how that works out for you.
We have seen two thors yes but how many Akuma Sentinel Dante Weksker wolverine and phoenix have we seen? He is not a scrub or else I wouldnt use him but he needs a buff. In the same right so do several characters.
Its funny out of #120 list only dante didn't get a health nerf.
whelp there goes your argument #121 now there are two Hsien Ko on stream... So i guess they are even.
So is it you hit the opponent WITH the sunglasses or hit the opponent while wearing them?
• Spider-Man's webs travel faster. The Web Ball, Web Swing and Spider-Sting can be cancelled. Crawler assault, button mashing during this does more damage now.
Thank you Capcom.
#12
seriously, stop your bitching
also
• Super-Skrull's Meteor Smash can be done in mid-air now.
:3
@115 You're an idiot. Tiers do matter, if someone has a better character and is at the same skill level as you, they're going to win. Regardless of how good you get with a character, if the other player has a better character and is remotely equivalent in skill they should win the majority of matches.
I think these so called changes are a load of bAlOnEy, Magnetos speed is tone down, sentinals health nerf again(WOW), Arthur has MORE health(who really uses this fool), and akuma has LESS health and his assist CRAP now
Its like the most un-popular characters ppl wouldnt even want to use are more favored during the changes then the icons that made MVC(REALLY TONE DOWN MAGNUS RUSHDOWN FOR NOOB REQUEST)wow ryota and capcoms loads of CRAP keeps on getting better and better FORGET THIS GAME IT AINT GONNA LAST LONG I HOPE THE COMMUNITY DOESNT BUY INTO THE SCHEMERS slowly eating away at our wallets.....
I like the fact that Spiderman is getting buffed-he's already a good character, but he's actually fairly difficult to play. My team has always been Dormammu, Wolverine, and somebody else (normally Zero) and, as Dormammu has been buffed in how I play him and Wolverine got nerfed in a way I don't use him, I feel that my team will only get better, since less people will use Wolverine so more shenanigans, and maybe Strider will be my new Zero.
• Akuma has less health. ahhaha OWNED, Im really looking forward to this :D