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every time there is a dropped combo a animal will be hurt DONT DROP COMBOS /cough /cough AG MarlinPie...
Sorry Hawaii and New Orlean players! I tried to tape the matches (shigz and Ranmasama so far) for you guys to watch but my computer is lagging.
Sorry again.
Great job guys. Wish I could have been there.
I notice Mike Ross' name at the top hasn't included his sponsorship tag like the rest. :)
Wow. 20,000+ by 930 on Friday? This is the biggest year for sure. Sigh. Wish I could have gone. Go Hawaii.
Sitting at work, watching live stream... just wish there was a bad b*tch on my __
Makoto the Vega player I didn't know he was in this.
@25 http://evo2k.com/2011/bracket-ssf4ae-...
@27 He is not.
@28 I can't get the construction of this tourney. Now we'll never see these pool winners again in the tournament? Cause I have missed Tatsu whose Pool match passed and he won.
#31 I don't think you know what pools are.
This IS the real tournament, the pools precede the quarters/semis/finals etc.
@32 No, it's on this page: http://www.g4tv.com/evo2011/
This has some of the participants not all though it is getting updated still i believe.
lmao @35 Justin had to mash on that one jewelman just broke apart in the end though.
he didn't adjust plus why did he have U2 Justin just kept jumping in U1 would have worked a little better.
@ nocturnal
That bracket is a theoretical bracket of what would happen if all top 32 seeds made their way to top 32. Currently it is only pool play where each pool has 16 players. One person makes it out their pool and into the winners bracket. Also, one person makes it out of their pool and into the losers bracket. Tatsu won his pool and Makoto made it out of his pool in losers so the best Vega in America and the best Vega in Japan both will be playing later. Look at the schedule. Quarterfinals is after pool play.
Jewelman kept wasting meter i thought he could have punished that Ultra. Didn't think that would mindfu.ck him as bad as they continued.
Anyone know if they will be showing Daigo's pool now or later in the afternoon?
He is in pool 80 so it should be later in the afternoon I believe.
"cut to commercial"
... lose seven thousand viewers.
LOL PR ROG got exposed by Starnab hahahaha !!!!
France FTW !!
During commercial breaks you guys can check the spreadsheet I've posted up they are updating it with the winners and losers in pools. It will be the second tab.
@59
Yeah good thing he won through the set. I wonder what happened though.
its a guy! a rather hot guy but he's still a dude lol
lol James Chen getting trolled I can't believe he doesn't know.
@ yea sounds about right lol
can't cook for s*** but he'll still kick your ass at Street Fighter ;)
man he is crushing on that he wants a hug from her lol.
nice game by Kayo, good sports man ship with a handshake and a hug. Everyone feel the love lol
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I'M SO JELLY OF THAT GUY
I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE SWEET SWEET LOVE WITH KAYOPOLIC
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Yun is annoying....
Anyone that plays with him like a cucumber attached to his ***
Seriously, gay character, annoying sounds, poor character model, baseball cap, probably emo, ponytail, and overpowered.
Cheering for pongko because he is MAN enough to play without a character that is obvious an emo homosexual.
@#77
Them are some long forearm/hands/fingers.... looks nasty for how skinny he/she is. Either way atleast he looks like a chick and cosplaying as one, unlike that kitana cosplayer from mk9 stream which was disturbingly bad.
and where are the gief/hawk players at!!!!!
I don't see any ads, all I get when they're supposed to be showing ads is a screen saying EVO 2011 Finals.....they should be keeping the camera on.
@83 Daigo is in pool 80 hasn't played yet he is signing autographs still i believe. Mago came out in pool 26 winners side, while Tokido is in pool 69.
Here we go it's in the second tab showing the winners and losers that have advanced so far it is being updated as it continues.
@84 who know one came out and lost to Bison he was bad, Vangief came out in winners side of his pool so did Aquasilk.
@#88
was it on stream? ive only seen that one that lost to bison in shame and i wasnt gonna consider that a zangief player >_>. Pretty bad that i ended up muting the ssf4ae stream and focused more on the mk one while peaking on the other screen occasionally to see whos playing.
I do not believe the people that say Kayo police is a actually a man. She is all woman and I will wait for her to come back on stream and then masturbate.
I don't deserve any thanks all credit goes to Warpticon from SRK for starting this and other EVO participants for finding out the results. Yes they are updating it as soon as they can get the results.
@90 I probably missed a Vangief match not sure I had to walk my dog before the rain started. But thankfully that spreadsheet has been very good at posting results.
@#91
Dont have to believe the people, when kayopolice said it himself. Simple google search fixes that... But ignorance is bliss so take care of your business first then look it up LOL.
Either way dont think it actually gay or anything if the person was attracted to the feminine quality of said person... its just make you sick in another way but not gay LOL.
EVO drinking game: Take a shot every time someone besides Daigo uses Yun.
http://www.ustwrap.info/multi/evo-1::...
watch both steams side by side with social stream, chats, 'n such if your into that..
Lets go Mikes Ross, Combofiend, Option Select team ( flash and ryan though not sure hes playing) Clock and for the foriegners Poongko, Gamerbee, and Tokido! Daigo, wont be mad atcha if you win.
@101+105
Thats what hormone treatment does when started at a young age, thus why the ambiguous nature of it. The bodily features are legit.
@stream
think there was more dans on stream than yangs and makotos.... what is going on
So far not that I know of they might end up being released later on by either YT or G4.
That's a shame. Thanks for the quick reply, though.
Much appreciated.
yep too much unsafe stuff if Marn went with Gat he would have won.
terrible or not, he fraid of nothing... dude was going NUTS. That can be intimidating cause playing mindgames wont work on a player like that and viper dies to quick to plan out anything.
Yeah but it makes you cringe when you see someone play your main that way but that's just me.
Finally we get to see Daigo in his Winner's finals for his pool.
Yea i was cringing but watching marn squirm being unprepared for that was unspeakable.its like dude is hitting buttons and you dont know whats hes gonna do...all he need to do is land a few good hits and the round is in the bag.
need some aquasilk or vangief on the stream, tired of seeing gief getting put down. When people stop acting all scared of gief they seem to walk all over him until they mess up >_<
Lol
People talked BS about Justin, and the man stiked with his main.
OH come on, zangief being streamed is like an auto lose >_<. And no knockdown on exGH is showing its colors, that was like 3-4 link combos in a row and no stun no mix up can be made. But that fei long was nice, great backdashes and wasnt afraid of brawling with zangief.
I hated the fact that even AA wasn't much help all those nerfs since Vanilla have caught up. Also James Chen can't explain worth a damn saying earlier Gief deserved a health nerf FU.
Also It's a shame people are supposed to be afraid of Gief not the other way around having Fei corner him. They should have upped his stun and damage ugh, He should have used U2...
Daigo vs PoongKo is next. im calling it right now.
JUSTIN WONG DEFEATS MAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
Wow justin wong, nerves of steel. MAgo should of counter picked perhaps, great stuff wish I was there.
Are you serious John Choi the WC legend next damn too hype good luck against Daigo
James Chen is a warrior doing commentary all day long!
@156 He felt comfortable with it because he beat Ricky Ortiz a while back.
@#139
lol upping his stun and damage wouldnt help anything, but James chen did say that zangief appears strong at first until people get used to fighting him and may eventually break even with the match ups. Even noted that yun may break even, which personally i think is gonna happen soon enough. Also gief U2 on pad is a bit iffy imo, personally i tend to get ex running grab when trying to react to air moves/backdashes last second on pad. Plus i dont find it threatening to fei long especially the way that guy was playing. U2 most likely would have never grabbed them back dashes fast enough.
he could have baited those DP's, You would think they would at least make it like oni's super available from the ground as well, but OTG U2 sometimes does fail and I hate that, well he needs something good in return all that work to get in and they can get away for free.
That was a heartbreaker poor F Champ.
Come on Aquasilk... what happened with Vangief.
Poongko versus Filipino Champ was entertaining somewhat.
lol Fchamp got robbed on that super... feel sorry for the dude, but poongko adapted pretty well
@163 Neo should still be in who knows but man Gamerbee lost to Valle wow.
Could have baited the DP's but such a gamble for a one time deal. Dude was quick to adapt. And we have another gief vs fei long you may see what i mean.
this shows how that "added" range is garbage at high level.
for Gief everything is a bad gamble now except block :/
yeah I know but they are going to top 32 so what happened after is my question.
Sorry I let you guys down. I lost to cj truth and snafoo. Great players that got in my ass. Again my bad, I let myself down along w/ others.
- Mike Ross
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE :(
IIRC fei long C. MP and C. HP both pokes moves his grabbable hit box backwards, so that added range on jab SPD doesnt do anything good for him in that match up. And they did boost his damage on HP spd come to think of it but that doesnt do anything either if you cant even set up the grabs anymore.
Oh and block is a gamble too cause you lose spacing and as in the fei long match shows, you end up in a corner with no options to good knockdowns to regain momentum. Also not sure if it was a change to AE but his lariat seems to get out poked by more things too, been having folks smack the hands on the lariat with ease.
Yeah it has felt that way his lariat is just worse now so he has an even less reliable AA now and i've tried his c.mp and i always get stuffed.
Mike Ross is out damn. :(
KOF13 exhibition going on if anyone is interested in the other stream.
Seth Killian just spilled that there IS a 'Bible' of changes for Ultimate MvC3.
Nobody cares? ok..
yea watching the kof13, the series i got into more before switching over to street fighter fully back in the day.
I dont think they hate gief that much, but the players themselves seemed to be fighting a bit sloppy at times too with adapting.
#165 Adon only has so many tools to make stuff happen, a good ryu player can easily beat Adon. DP beats jag kick too so if you get predictable you are dead. Ryu on the other hand can make a ton of stuff happen from anything.
heres mago v justin incae anyone missed it
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I believe Flash Metroid is using Gief he has picked him up recently and has been on the Gief forums over in SRK.
Ricky might still be in he did make it out of pools on the winner side.
Yea i think i seen vids of him using gief online in super. But i havent touched AE in quite some time now, i just stick to the videos and streams. Too frustrating to be playing this game with the characters i tend to use, cant even enjoy winning....
there are some question marks in top 16 so he might be one of those I wish they would post them up.
DAIGO "THE BEAST" UMEHARA LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
WOW AMAZING MATCH..CRAZYYYYYY HYPE wtf.
Ive never seen DAigo struggle so much before, historical match too, first time Daigo fougth an American was vs Alex.
Crazy good match, tbh I doubt anyone could match that match..But hopefull yill be proved wrong
but props to him I wish he would have taken it props to sticking with Ryu but no more escape hurricane kills him.
@#196
i told you about that range even before the console release lol. Valle aint go down without a fight tho, putting good use to them ex tatsus
"You must stick with the girl who brought you to the dance" - ROFLLLLLLL
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Kayopolice as C.Viper in Godsgarden booth.
well supposedly Shady K got taken out by Juicebox have to look at the info.
finally a Gief wins loved how David said nerf and Killian didn't correct it.
lol wasnt nothing to correct man, they both admitted to his normal grab and 360+k grab is better for positioning and/or damage. Yet the spd was buffed and didnt really change much for him. And Combofiend kinda tossed that match away for contantly trying to slide/shoulder which kept getting punished.
yeah but you know Killian is a shill i remember where he would say Gen was still good in Super.
@#227
Do you think they fly all that way for diversification? Silly
@224 just call me grim ;) yeah Dimenion & DMG Atrocity If I remember correctly were the only Guiles to make it past pools and that was it there might have been another not sure.
^ ha! good one you know have these two fought before?
Sorry Nocturnal hard to keep up with comments yes they are out they made it out of pools
Tatsu in winners
Makoto in losers
Tatsu lost to Evans it doesn't say who he lost to after I don't know who beat Makoto though.
how can capcom make such a cheap character like yun and stand by it?
the problem with that match up wasnt yun.... it was all dhalsim universal problems that keep haunting him. Fchamp will never catch a break in AE unless he does something with his seth or balrog.
CJ Truth was the first guy the second was snafoo (I have no idea who he uses)
The introduction of Yun to this game has more or less ruined it, simply put - not that most of us didn't see this coming. With Fei Long and Yun being as powerful as they are, there's just not a lot to get excited about as far as this game is concerned in its current state. If a great many top players -have- to switch to a character to feel it's their only chance to consistently perform at their expected level, there is a balance problem. When even Daigo has to switch, you know there's a problem (and yes, fanboys, he -had- to switch--he knew that if he wanted to be the unquestioned #1 still, he needed to play the #1 character or else someone else using that #1 character would take advantage of the imbalance and top him due to just how far the gap is). Anyone that says anything else is kidding themselves.
It's a shame with the rich history we've had with Street Fighter 4 that it's come to this. Here's hoping Street Fighter x Tekken is better, but who knows at this point.
Not fond of the commentators use of the word "technology" when they're probably thinking about "technique".
How about we wait till this tourney is over and avoid paragraphs...
awwww FChamp got his ass handed to him. What a surprise. Poognko took out Champ like he was playing Xbox Live and Kindevu had another practice match. Good luck representing U.S. at SBO when Poognko and Kindevu are most likely going to be there along with Daigo. Latif is still, in my opinion, has the best chance.
So far no words on the results for
Gamerbee vs John Choi
Sanford Kelly vs Hsien Chang
Banana ken vs Shiro
@246
I thought Fei Long was the "absolute number one character!" if its Yun then why doesn't Mago use Yun instead? You are simply retarded...
How many tournaments must Daigo and Mago dominate before ppl see that it's THEM WINNING! not the characters they pick!
Is Momochi not a skilled Yun player? Was he not just ELIMINATED by a Akuma player!
Trolls can get bent! You sully the name of EVO with your cry baby bull $hit! Save that trash for every other day of your life!
Leave this weekend to the Warriors.
Big ups to Juice Box for representing with my girl, Juri! I am elated to see Juri this late in the tournament and played so well!
@261 would have made more sense if you got it right he lost to an Akuma but got eliminataed by a Fei... You really sound no better than the ones bitching.
This is why we can't have nice things.
No, I didn't say Fei Long was the "absolute number one character!". He and Yun are both clearly at the top of the tier list and as much is said in that exact post. Do not associate arguments with me that are not my own. If your intention was to appear misinformed, you have done marvelously.
If you are really, really whining in defense of Daigo and Mago and pretending that there is nothing unbalanced about Fei Long and Yun, you're delusional. It's that simple. No one is saying Daigo and Mago are not great players, but what about all the other Fei Long and Yun players that are now on their way to the top 16?
Just because one of them loses to another character once or even twice -does not suddenly invalidate the analysis-. That's the problem with the "no wrong has ever been done by Capcom" fanboys: they (aka, you) are shortsighted. Yun and Fei Long being overpowered and players like Daigo being naturally good are not arguments that matter here. Yun and Fei Long are overpowered, the game is more imbalanced than it has ever been, and that's that. You'll have to come to terms with that.
"Your right, sorry.
But Mr.Grimmsow, did the almighty Yun not lose to Akuma? Maybe Capcom sucks because they made Akuma too powerful? Maybe Seth is too powerful?
He bodied some twins recently right?"
Again, this is just a silly, misinformed, and shortsighted argument based on insufficient and irrelevant data. One loss or two losses does not matter when these two characters are -clearly- prevalent for a reason. Just because they lose to another character does not suddenly mean the game is balanced because--and I hate to shatter your world here--it isn't.
Grimmsow is that an insult? Yeah that's not really the best match to use considering both were playing sloppy. Also I don't want to get into this I'm missing matches >:/
let's enjoy the matches people complain when the finals are over.
I personally feel that over time Yun will slowly go down on the tier list. I personally feel that Fei and Viper are going to be 1 and 2 and then Yun. Like Justin, Marn, Combofiend and Floe can't even play the twins all that well and they are some of the best players out there. I personally suck at the game but, I honestly believe that Yun for us lower level players he isn't that powerful and is only really really good in the hands of a high level pro. And all the people complaining about Yun I know are not high level players so I have no idea what they are crying about. I don't play Yun as I have 0 points with him I play Rufus and Adon and Honda just so people don't think I'm biased.
Torres/Yang inquisitors: Yang is not really overpowered. He has some legitimate weaknesses and a number of matchups that are not really in his favor. He definitely has some pluses on his side, but he is not nearly as good as Yun and it shows - there's a reason none of the Japanese players here are even bothering with him.
I disagree. I'm not going to spoil my Evo weekend by debating with you about tier lists. Like I said, save that scrubby bs for every other weekend.
I'll just say that the "Best" characters in this version are no different (if not worse) than the "best" characters in Vanilla and Super. Beyond the top tier, every character has been balanced BETTER than either of the two prior versions!
Who's better? Guy, Makoto, Hakan, Juri, etc, etc, etc.
Who's worse? Balrog, Bison, Guile, Chun, Ryu, etc, etc, etc.
The low tiers (while not great) have much more favorable match-ups in AE than Vanilla or Super.
Stop crying about Yun and Fei. If it wasn't them it'd be Honda, Bison, Guile... Or Sagat, Rufus, Ryu.
Gimmie a break.
Gamerbee lost? NOOOOOO!!!! He was my fav for this year :(
The fact that you think it could "spoil" your "Evo weekend" just demonstrates your shortsightedness. The game is not just about this weekend, but so far it is demonstrating everything most of us that actually think ahead expected.
AE is not more balanced than Super. That is a joke. What happened was that most viable characters got weaker and Yun was introduced as much stronger than virtually all of them. If that's the "balance" you were looking for, you got it. Capcom strengthened some of the characters that were weaker than before and made them better, but none of them (including Guy, Hakan, Juri, and Makoto, who you mentioned) are even close to as good as Yun or Fei Long or even some of the older characters that were "weakened".
Oh, and arguably the best Adon in the world just got eliminated by a Fei Long who - while skilled - is not exactly a top level player on Gamerbee's level. Capcom balance hype, let's go!!11
Apologies, but your argument is null as you do not appear to possess the insight to deliver an informed opinion on the matter. If you cannot admit that Yun and Fei Long are overpowered, you are just delusional and defending the two out of obligations that are not solely with concern to the actual mechanics of the game itself.
I'll give you a break when you learn to spell or think for yourself - whichever comes first.
So many fan favs are out so early this year as well as the villian F Champ
Wow! Look at the Yun's dropping like flies to Rufus, Juri and Makoto? How can this happen?
I suppose it's "just one or two matches" right!?!
Or... Is it EVERY tournament since AE came out? Look back at the last three majors before Evo stud.
Sorry to "shatter your world", but you don't know wtf your talking about.
Enjoy the show.
@283 You are right Yun is only good in the hands of a really really good player just like Viper. The people that complain are the players that would lose, regardless what the other player uses. It just happens to be Yun and they need to vent about something for sucking. You can tell with players suck online are the ones that complain about the tier list as I hardly ever see really really good players complain about the top level characters.
You never answered my question Aluppoj was that an insult ;_;.
Just cut it out you two quit spamming ugh.
It's hard to enjoy the show when it's going the route we all expected (by "we" I mean those that think for ourselves). You pretend it's a tragedy for them to lose, except they are now eliminating each other - which, if you were paying attention, you would realize was inevitably -because there are so many-. You act like all of the Yun and Fei Long players are suddenly gone, when, in reality, they are still available by the handful.
It's a shame, but if RF gets eliminated, we'll have basically lost our last hope at a non-Yun/Fei Long finale.
@ Aluppoj cool no prob just be the bigger man an lets enjoy the show. :D
also Juri beat a Fei
@303 that wake-up nerf just made him Adon average.
@Grimmjow
Sorry bro. I was just messing around. I've actually played your Zangief on PSN. Your good, and I have respect for your play.
Aluppoj isn't my PSN tag. Sadly I can't give it to you here. I'll look for you next time I'm online and we'll play again.
@304 Mago use to main Sagat (now secondary) so yeah not a good argument to use.
lol the student has surpassed the master *clap* clap*
Let the Justin Wong excuses begin. Even though he clearly lost.
He made Tokido look so damn free.... Valle put up a better fight.
Yun isn't imbalanced? I've never seen Tokido look so FREEEEEEEEEEEEE in my life, especially not against Daigo. He and Daigo usually have really intense matches, but here... that was just embarrassing. Hell, Tokido looked more free than some of Daigo's random opponents earlier.
Tokido is one of the best players in the world and he stood absolutely no chance whatsoever against Daigo's Yun. Against Daigo's Ryu, he always put up a fight.
Tokido's just having a Braveheart moment there.
Poongko Vs. Flash Metroid.........weird boner right now. Imagine if the finals happen to be Daigo Vs. Poongko!
I remember that the result was 60-40 Daigo which at the time was seen to reflect the matchup which was 6-4 in Ryu's favor.
I know the set you're referring to, and it was NOTHING like what we just saw. That was on a level we've never seen before. Daigo is better than Tokido, but he isn't -that- much better.
And Latif is great. Looking forward to seeing him continue on Sunday.
Wolfkrone got read like a book damn and he was the US "best player". Yeah it was 60-40 who knows how many hours they played but that doesn't beat Poongko's 18+ hours that's for sure.
@328
I hope you didn't forgotten about the match between Tokido and Momochi.
@349 hence the "" they kept calling him that for a while due to his points.
Flash is a great player but, he honestly had the easier rode to the top 8 if not the easiest.
its kind of sad that the organizers rigged the brackets so that daigo, mago, tokido and momochi all battle it out for top 8 on one side of the bracket while latif, poongko, flashmetroid and 801strider are on the other side. how is the world EVER going to take us seriously if we rig brackets so that japanese knock each other out?
are we really supposed to believe its a coincidence when the winner of momochi vs tokido plays daigo while the loser plays mago? then rf. its really disrespectful to the japanese players who spent thousands coming to america to fight in a tournament that is supposed to be fair. i wouldnt be surprised if the japanese players boycott the next evo once the bracket riggers are exposed for the frauds that they are.
Damn If I'm reading this correctly
Juicebox vs Tokido
Wolfkrone vs Mago
that sucks.
@359 they can't please everyone you had guys from Hawaii battle it out in pools so don't go around posting BS.
patch the dam game already, yun is ultra unbalanced, u know when tokido can't do sh*t to him, and hes one of the best
This is insane
Every time that a Fei and Yun won, usually counts, but then, when they are defeated it doesn´t count.
This is not only whining, this is blindness.
Also comparing Fei power with Yun, you need to make another word, it is like the difference between Yun and Yang.
@kensfierseshoryuken: This is all just sympathizer fodder and untrue. The brackets did not favor the international players knocking each other out--some things are just inevitable due to how tournaments work. They all four can't be completely on opposite sides just because that's what you'd like. If they wanted to not end up in random parts of the bracket, they should have all come and got seeding points.
It is also like applying this logic:
"Well, Seth in Top 8, he is really OP, i mean, there were as far we know only 1 seth, and he make it, but there were many Yun and Fei just to make Top 8, the difference is huge and there is no doubt that he is OP, nobody won he either"
xD
@bagumain: reading comprehension ftl? they didnt end up in random parts of the bracket the organizers put them there strategically so that they would knock each other out. there was nothing random about it
The volume of Yun players/Fei Long players in the Top 8 doesn't matter just because there have been a LOT of them in the Top 32 already. That is -not- a coincidence. The reason the volume doesn't matter is because of the fact that they have to start eliminating each other eventually, meaning it is statistically not possible for them to all make it. In other words: The brackets themselves will decide which ones make it to Top 8, but the fact so many were in the Top 32 is more than enough proof that something is afoot.
Yeah, you were close. 63/37. Tokido looks up to Daigo for a reason.
My opinion on Yun is as follows:
He's strong, very strong! Maybe the strongest character in the game. But NOT op.
That's when you get the Daigo factor. Yun in Daigo's hands may in fact be op. But he did win Evo last year with an Upper/Mid tier Ryu. His Guy and Guile are also awesome. He blew up Mago's Fei at Canada Cup with Guile. So who wouldn't he be good with?!
If Yun was simply beast in anyone's hands then Valle (favorite Ryu player), J.Wong, Momochi and other would be doing much better.
Only two players have consistently dominated tournaments with Fei and Yun. Daigo and Mago.
I'm not saying my opinions are the word of God, they are just my opinions. I see Makoto winning, I see Juri winning, I see Zangief winning, thus far I think the field is more diverse than Super or Vanilla.
Disagree? Have a look back at the top 16 from the last two years and compare.
AE is a fine addition to the four series, and is by far my favorite. Hopefully this clarifies my thought process and ends any Warring that was going on.
@370 by your logic the brackets where rigged because US players where taking each other out see how stupid that sounds.
@kensfierseshoryuken: Brainpower fail? Your conspiracy theory does not hold up. You are utilizing selective bias for your argument without taking into account all of the other great players that had to eliminate each other as well.
The organizers have no reason for the Japanese players to lose. You may want to sail on Boat Japan for the rest of your life and allow it to shape your perception of the world, but it doesn't reflect reality (however unfortunate that may be for you to hear). The Japanese players coming to Evo gives the event much, much more exposure and drives more people to attend and they know it. They want them to come and they want them to succeed.
Your conspiracy theory simply doesn't work out.
Great job @ Wolfkrone. Let's start whittling down the Fei Long & Yun army, even if it's too late given the damage is long done (as I said earlier: they couldn't all make it given that they had to start eliminating each other). But, one less is always welcome.
Juri action so sexy. The battle of the murderface against the dancing fiend
bagumain
This is why I was trolling, you just used the counter logic that i was talking about.
Yes, it means that people want to win, just that, it doesn´t prove that a char is OP.
I mean, if 7 Ryu would be there in Top 32, Ryu was OP? No, he was popular, wasn´t that everyone said?
Daigo Vs Tokido -» 100 games » Daigo 63 Vs Tokido 37.
I saw it, daigo was always able to win tokido, if he looked free, it his fault, he could do better, even Alex Valle made daigo work for his life and as far i reminber, people are buying that Ryu is C tier.
For all you people complaining about Yun and Fei being overpowered just STFU. You guys suck and there is always going to be someone at the top of the list. Honestly I played a ton of matches and I rarely ever run into Fei's or even good Fei's for that matter. I'm not saying I'm good but, it really doesn't effect most players since you'll never see Fei's or Yun's at that level online. Yun is not overpowered in the hands of casual players so why are you complaining when it doesn't effect you. Yun is amazing only in the hands of high level players and it's very rare you'll ever face guys that can even do half the things these guys do. In order to be strong with Yun you have to be able to use all his tools and even Justin has said that. Yun is balanaced and so is Fei at the level that most people play at. The only people complaining are the losers that keep losing to EVERYONE. It's not the character it's your scrubby arse.
is it just me or does S. Kill look like he's buzzing a lil bit lol. Wouldnt surprise me they got drinks on deck at EVO!
I been at work all day i got off at 2am EST and there is still EVO streaming! I fscking love this community! We need more love man ;_;
The problem is: people complaining means that they don´t know the Sf series, there were never the balance issue, the chars played their role and there was always top tiers that were more reliable in tournaments, but even so, it didn´t meant that was instant victory, because the more people using the same char, the more people learn to counter them...
Anyways, is pointless, i think the hate is towards the twins and Fei exists for apparent reasons, people were more confortable with Honda, Bison, Guile, Cammy, Chun, Balrog and some other being in top, instead of Hong Kong chars.
This EVO was interesting to watch, great matchs, aside more Fei´s that was supost to exist in Top 32, was great to watch.
On a more positive note that was an amazing showing of matches. This just shows that everyone has really really leveled up. Did anyone else see the salt on FChamps face when he lost to Poongko? He was like mumbling swear words under his own breathe lol. Also does anyone know what happened to Ricky Ortiz?
@baguman "Brainpower fail? Your conspiracy theory does not hold up. You are utilizing selective bias for your argument without taking into account all of the other great players that had to eliminate each other as well."
"You may want to sail on Boat Japan for the rest of your life and allow it to shape your perception of the world, but it doesn't reflect reality (however unfortunate that may be for you to hear)."
lol is this how you talk irl? you got the aspergers man
There are 3 C Vipers in top 8. No complaint or philosophical deduction for characters being OP because of the number of time they appear in top 8 (LOL). Isn't that how some people make the tier list on Eventhubs. (lol)
What happen to the bold predictions of 5 yuns in top 8.
Anyway, for top 8, we have: 2Yuns (with Kindevu alternating with other characters),1 Fei Long, 3 C Vipers(with Flash alternating with Gief),1 Seth, 1 Akuma.
What happened to mike ross? i thought he was supposed to be here
congratulations to daigo umehara and tokido for making the top 8 and proving that theyre on a completely different level than the rest of the world. mago proving once again that he isnt even close to their level lol.
poongko is going to get a rude awakening when he fights daigo. its amazing he managed to make top 8 without playing one of the top players.
@SSF4_YunEdition: No, the logic is still sound. The only trolling you did effectively is utilize your terrible English to introduce a considerable communication barrier. Please read over what you're saying before posting (it makes it much, much easier on the rest of us). It is not the mere presence of Ryu in the Top 32 in past tournaments. It is the simple fact that, for 12 of the first matches we had streamed, 9 featured Fei Long and Yun and they featured them dominating. Ryu was never on that level, and that is where your logic fails and fails miserably. If Ryu had dominated as Fei Long and Yun did tonight, you would have a point. Sadly, you do not. Fun fact: 21 of the 29 matches listed here from Top 32 to Top 8 had Yun or Fei Long in them--some had both. Let that sink in--it may rock your little world.
But, come on. Do you really think there has never been a balance issue in the entire Street Fighter series? Seriously? I just saw your post implying as much and I have to say I got a good laugh out of that. Playing off imperfections in a game's balance as a character "playing their role" is just laughable.
@Gutter_Trash: Personal anecdotes are inconsequential. "I never see Fei Long or Yun players that good online!" means absolutely nothing. You could lose consistently to the single worst character in the game and it would not mean that character was good or overpowered. The results of high level players is a far better indicator, and they support the argument that Fei Long and Yun are not the perfectly balanced angels you assume they are. Just because players at your level can't use them effectively on account of being terrible does not mean it bodes the same for the rest of us. Most of us are interested in what the game really is - not what your personal experience has been online.
@kensfierseshoryuken: No, it's just the product of applying education. You should try it sometime. Not that I'm implying you are educated, of course. That would be insulting the very idea of education.
See you lot on Sunday.
Lol at tokido being on another level he actually isn't and it has shown if he were in another level why the heck would he fall for a sweep in that match against Momochi
Tons of North American (particularly U.S.) players I rarely or didn't get to see in AE. Mike Ross and Marn were eliminated early. Gootecks probably didn't even enter. Santhrax and the rest of East coast (Chris Hu, Yipes, etc) were eliminated early as well. I didn't hear or see Ricky Ortiz at all. Was he even there? Online Tony and perfect legend were nowhere to be found other than the MK stream. Tatsu was also MIA. Other than Air, I think Canada was a no show. I didn't see JSMaster or anyone else. In conclusion, 5/8 of top 8 are foreign players. If Latif gets elminated, Evo is going to the foreign players.
All of those characters can keep up with Yun, so you can see how the rest of the cast did *not* make the list.
When you're forced to pick between a handful of characters to have a chance competing against Yun, things can get stale.
And, once more, I point out that the prevalence of a character (or characters) in the Top 8 of a double elimination formatted tournament does not mean anything as they have to eliminate one another. If you want to make that argument about prevalence, you need to push for a round robin. Instead, if you want reliable information, with the greatest concentration of top players facing one another directly and most often -prior to- them eliminating each other. This may be difficult for some of you to wrap your minds around, but that's just how logic works (it's when it gets complicated that you have to actually use your brains to find the truth--hard concept to grasp, I know). The Top 32 is the best sampling of this in this particular instance, and as I said in my last post: Of the 29 matches used to determine the Top 8 from the Top 32, 21 of them featured Fei Long or Yun. I'm not sure how to make it any clearer to you, but enjoy that for now.
Man, ya'll are some whiny smurfs! I just saw some of the most amazing matchups of the year, with a lot of the matches coming down to the wire, and you're all here complaining about a nonissue like whether or not Yun is Op. Yun has his bad matchups like every other character, except maybe Fei. So he blows up Akuma and Sim, it happens. Get over it.
To the dude that said mago is not on Tokido and Daigo level? First off, no one is at Daigo level in SF. Second, Mago played Justin Wong, Infiltration, Momochi, RF and Wolfkrone. Not exactly an easy bunch of guys to go through.
Anyways, Poongko is amazing! I called it after Shadowloo Showdown. Dude, will make top 8 and possibly the only guy to give Daigo a run for his money. Get hype!
With the top 8 now in place, if I am correct we have had 22 different players in the top 8 for the SF4 series at Evolution over the last 3 years (2009, 2010, and 2011). Of those 22, Daigo is the only one who has placed in top 8 all three times. No one else has even placed twice, let alone three times.
Love him or hate him or whatever else you think of him, that kind of consistency is extremely impressive.
@bagumain and Grimmjow316
It's game and you're complaining about some tier list. Stop trying to act like you're above everyone else and get a life. I'm pretty sure you're going to pick up all the girls by telling them you don't play Yun and Fei LOL. Have you ever noticed it's the people that suck that always complain. No matter what balance changes you make the fact is there's going to be someone on top of that list and there's always going to be some unhappy fans if their characters got nerfed. So why not just stop complaining and enjoy the game, as it is just a game. You're making it sound like it's your life or something. There are more important things to worry and complain about than a game genius. Why are you even comparing yourself to their level of play as you are obviously no where near that level. You're only top tier at complaining.
@409: right... and jordan wasnt really the best basketball player because bird once blocked him! lol @ you thinking being the best = never making mistakes.
only one stream station for ALL of the seeding brackets? what a great idea! let's force everyoen to watch tons of bad players instead of switching between multiple stations to stream the good matches. :)
they also added literally HOURS of extra advertisements to this years stream. and lets not forget all of those teamspooky donation scam drives they pulled.. where did all our hard-earned donations go to? comparing the stream to last years evo, all that extra money seemed to add NOTHING to this years event, except to maybe line teamspooky's pockets.
spooky really sold out on us........
@gutter trash truth hurts huh please comparing online play is garbage I could say the same bs don't make no better funny I havent said much on "top tier" except for people to stfu and quit writing paragraphs. People bitch no matter what like the ones who said Super was a turtle festival but clearly wasn't. Also ooh using real life things keep picking at straws. Also lol I never compared myself to there level again another straw man argument. guess I really got to you online warrior.
@418 dickride harder Tokido is good but not at the level I bet your placing him on. If he was at such a level explain why Valle with a nerfed Ryu did so much better when he faced Daigo.
@422 this is IPW fool nt spooky if it was him he always checks on his streams to make sure they are top notch. Sadly this is EVO and they prefer the Ustream format for some stupid reason.
Why isn't kindevu listed as using akuma also?
Anyways, the fact is there are only two players in the top 8 that use Yun. There is only one fei long. That DOES mean something because if Yun and Fei were so completely overpowered the other great players who were using them - Mago, Momochi, etc... would be in the top 8.
Where was Justin and his overpowered Yun? Oh that's right he was using Rufus. Where was Ricky and his Yun? Who knows. How about Combofiend and his Yun - yup - he was using Guy quite a bit. I know, with all that money on the line Combofiend wanted to keep it real and use low tier like he always does....sure.
Where was Marn? - oh ya - he was at Burger King pounding whoppers after his early elimination. Was he even using Yun anymore?
There were far more Fei matches than any other character at the later levels. But in the end only one Fei made it.
The finals have four DIFFERENT characters. So you guys can gtfo with all the only Yuns will be in top 8. Crybabies.
Best match goes to Daigo/Valle still best feud after all these years.
Flash vs DR didn't expect the craziness.
Juice vs Shiro teacher vs student
Honorable mention
Vangief vs DR pisses van lost but enjoyed how pissed he got.
@Grimmjow316 UMAD bro? LOL oh please I could care less if I win or lose. A video game doesn't define me unlike someone. Go cry me a river or something. Life isn't fair deal with it.
Tried to watch the whole thing but was too tired to last beyond the pools and had to go to bed. Tried recording the quarter finals onward (just to watch it back) with camstudio and it corrupted the whole video, even though a short trial run with the settings tested ok. sw is trash.
@425
NerfGuile, I've read many of your posts and I definitely think that you are one of the few decent American players. Aluppoj is also another one of the more decent American players.
As offensive as I may sound, I have to say that most of the American players here at eventhubs are a bunch of chauvinistic Americuunts.
What I've found out is that trying to argue with these chaunvinistic Americunnts is pointless. You'll be WAYY MORE productive is you actually direct all your energy into WRITING DIRECTLY TO ONO HIMSELF ON HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT. Rather than talking to these half-a$$ scrubs on eventhubs.
"That DOES mean something because if Yun and Fei were so completely overpowered the other great players who were using them - Mago, Momochi, etc... would be in the top 8."
momochi lost to daigo's yun and mago's fei.
@gutter trash naw just find it sad when you try to put words in my mouth with stupid nonsense about me bitching on Yun when I really haven't in this comment section as well as the comparison to top player thing. Just found it funny that you would mention online play and you took offense if you didn't care you wouldn't have responded.
@fireinthehole keep thinking Guile and TKCS is OP scrub.
I just have to laugh at how most that are trying to argue can't even say the correct results *sigh*
@425
@416
@396
@372
NerfGuile, Gutter_Trash, Aluppoj, SSF4_YunEdition, etc... I agree with your guys' arguments about how this whole issue of "Yun is OP" and SSF4-AE is "broken" whinings are by all means unwarranted, and people are seriously exaggerating and blowing things WAYYY out of proportions.
My 2-cents on this whole issue is to just write to Ono's twitter directly and tell him that SSF4-AE is really not as bad as many of these online scrubs are making it out to be. Write to Ono and tell him that most of the scrubs over the web are PURPOSELY exagerrating things and blowing this whole "imbalance" issue way out of proportions.
BTW, I just skimmed through most of the arguments centered around the issue of AE being "unbalanced" in this thread and I can instantly see a HUGE problem with trying to argue about this stuff in the comments section of the newsfeeds.
And that problem is that these crybabies will start flame wars with their usual whinings about "Yoon is OP, Pleeeez n3rf him!!!!!" Then someone will refute their whine-arguments with some logical facts, but then these crybabies will just move into another thread and say the same thing all over again. Basically refuted arguments are kept being repeated OVER AND OVER again.
So moving back ON TOPIC anyone watching the night stream?
@425
@416
@396
@372
NerfGuile, Gutter_Trash, Aluppoj, and SSF4_YunEdition my question to you 4 posters is this: Do any of you guys know of a video game forum which will allow me to open up a thread that is centered around the issue of SSF4-AE being "broken" so we can take the argument to that area and settle this one and for all?
I've tried eventhubs forums and SRK forums, but apparently the mods there seem to be biased in that my threads keep getting locked up:
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?...
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
Now one of you guys, I think it was SSF4_YunEdition, told me that making a whole thread dedicated to this topic will be pointless; but I don't really think so.
My actions of making threads about this is not so much to try to change the minds of these crybabies constantly whining about AE, but rather, me making threads so more so to shut them the h3ll up so that they won't spam the newsfeed sections of eventhubs with your constant cryings and stuff.
My whole idea would be this: whenever one of these crybabies make another one of their whining-posts here at eventhubs, what I'll do is to invite him/her to my thread and tell them to refute the arguments in my thread first before they come back and start whining again on eventhubs.
Believe it or not, that tactic worked for the brief time period that my threads were actually opened up for discussion. When my threads were actually open up for discussion, it actually lessened the degree of whinig that we got here at eventhubs until the mods closed those threads up.
Now I can understand why the mods closed up my first thread here at EH:
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
But there's really no excuse for why they also closed up my other two threads, other than the possibility that some of them are biased and such:
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
So basically, what I'm trying to ask is if any of you guys know of a video-game forum where I can open up a thread dedicated to the same topic at hand. I've already explained my purpose behind making such a thread: To make these crybabies shut the h3ll up.
@433
"@fireinthehole keep thinking Guile and TKCS is OP scrub."
Keep trying to pull off your dirty, half-a$$ tricks ya n00b. It's noe the first time in which you've blatantly tried to twist my words around in order to skew the things which I really said in the past.
The way you wrote post #433 clearly makes it seem as if I think that AE-Guile is OP when I never said that AE-Guile is OP at all. Guile is perfectly fine in AE. What I've been saying was that he was extremely OP back in SSF4, which he was.
@441
You're so funny man, but I did specifically mention "video-game forum" :)
@443
Thanks for your reply, and I apologize because I thought that you were just trolling me back in post #441.
Anyways, I'm not sure if 4chan is the right place to post it. I saw your link and what is was was just a very tiny sub-section of the 4chan fourm. Sure 4chan may have a very small sub-section for people who wants to talk video games, but the overall main purpose of the 4chan forum is mainly for comedic leisure, not to discuss video games.
I was looking for a place where the overall purpose of the entire forum is actually based off of video games.
AE > super IMO
Yun is really good but the thing that makes him annoying is that he's so easy to play, its just dumb how bad players can become decent just by playing Yun.
Anyway, every FGsgot top tiers. I rather have Yun and Fei as top tiers then them getting nerfed and Makoto being unstoppable.
Does anyone heard anything about stream archives? I missed top 32 :(
Ustream should have the archives type EVO when you search.
@fireinthehole try capcom unity and I was talking about Super but I don't want to restart this so I will end it here :X.
@gutter trash mad Vangief lost yes but as for the rest of tonight's stream... :D I could care less for marvel till top 8 so I'm waiting for Sunday.
@everyone be happy this isn't unity the intellegance pool is non existent.
I saw some pretty exciting matches. It’s not every day you see this level of competitiveness. Lots of upsets tonight and a lot more Fei Longs and C. Vipers than I thought there would be. I think a Daigo/Poongko finale would be the icing on the proverbial cake. MvC3 tomorrow should be insane! Congrats to the 8 finalists!
Hey fireinthehole, do you leave walls of text on onos twitter?
omgrofl Chris Hu and the other guy talking bout donkey shows XD
Seriously archive? WTF. What about everyone who doesnt live in america. smh
YEAH!!!
For all of you looking for the archvies...you can find the quarter-and femi-finals here:
@bagumain
1 - I laugh so much with your post
2 - You are not a top pro player, so don´t talk BS
3 - What you are saying it is not the true, so STFU, you are not godlike, your opinion is...well, a opinion
4 - Your logic is laughble, i Knew about my grammar, since i am from Portugal, but at least, i don´t use my bad grammar to talk BS and everyone here that are USA can understand what i wrote , even you. That was low, as expected form a child.
5 - You don´t understand your logic, well, Ryu was never dominating? Did you really watched the streams? even daigo won 2 consecutive Evo´s with Ryu, with your logic, ryu was OP.
6 - I laugh when you are taling about Yun and Fei in stream, please tell me you are joking. Are you using what was streamed to determine who his OP? Sad logic
7 - It doesn´t matter what char are streamed, it is the player who uses the char that matters, ignoring the players is one of your sins.
8 - SF series was unbalanced, you can accept that, it´s reality, the reason that was never a issue, is because internet evolved, and now we have much more ways to communicate, and in your case to whine. The reason that you don´t know it, just prove that you are a child.
#409
Tokido wins tournaments hence why he's on another level. Chill (-_-)
Actually that should be 'hence why people regard him as on another level' (including myself).
@fireinthehole
People really felt confortable losing to SAgat and Guile FB war and pressure, they like lame game. They had the escuse that the guy who they lost to was a scrub and thebefore, only won because of spamming and because the char was OP. Ryu also had this type of effect. And the best escuse is because the guy was a scrub.
However, when the twins arrived and Capcom decided to make the game a little more agressive, Seth players, Akuma players and other rush downs chars had a better chance to perfect you and could made you fell hopeless, actually is what Yun and Yang can do, when played by some top players and pro players.
This created an instant hate towards the twins, because it is rare to see a seth and there are lame akumas, but with the twins, your objective is attaking. With the Twins being popular, which only made things worse and people even called Yang OP, which only proved that they don´t know the SF, and S4 series.
Anyway, there is no USA forum that will accept your point of view, Grinjow316, a Gief rank A player felt this about the twins, and only sometime later could saw that Yang is not OP. It is rare to see a top ranked player that i respect thinking that when he has the char that can make Yun run for his life, but it is ok. The rest, 85% maybe of the complains, comes from low level players, which are called Scrub, that just don´t hit training mode and don´t know about frame data and hitboxes, so they just hate the twins and don´t want to see them in any type of stream because they will begin with:
"oh, see? He is OP. A yun is in top 8". It really doesn´t matter if it is daigo or if it is another player, they will reinforce that Yun is broken with that solid argument (ironic).
They really can´t understand that even capcom don´t know how to balance the game, and because of that, they need the fans imput (because of char variaty and because the lack of a system that allow auto balance). Yun will be nerfed pretty badly in 2012.
All you guys that are complaining about Yun and Fei now... weren't you the same guys complaining about Yun and YANG, just last week? What happened to that?
You guys just complain about anything. Stop whining so much, and just enjoy the game. AE is a good game.
Top 32 was amazing, and just like I predicted, the US put up a very strong showing. Of course the Japanese are going to eliminate themselves.. that's just how brackets work. You can't work to separate everyone with any connections. You have to leave some integrity in your brackets. Separating everyone, just to be nice, takes away the objectivity of the bracket, and without that, your bracket is TRULY rigged. You may want to see more Japanese in top spots, but if you have to manipulate the bracket for that, that's a problem.
At the end of the day, strong players have made it far, and there was a LOT of amazing play. US has shown that we are strong, just like I already knew. Arturo/Juicebox took Shiro down.. Justin/Krone took Mago out... Mike Ross over Neurosis.. Latif over Ryan Hart.. and even in losses, US did a lot to prove its worth. Valle v. Daigo was AMAZING.. Strider fell to Kindevu 2-1.. just lots of amazing matches. I know randoms will still be riding Japan, but I'm impressed by the US (and DR!) performance.
Gotta agree with HAV.
This has been one of the best turn outs to date for any EVO tournament. The people who made Top 8 did so rightfully by grinding out their training. We have a ton of solid US players that were able to get by and have shown that they have the potential to make the top spot. Even so, the rest of the players that showed up had shown solid potential. I mean look at CJ Truth, the kid is what, 13? and he made it this far into Top 32? That's raw skill there, you can't take that away from him because he trained hard to get this far. Other notables are DR Ray, people who didn't know him and how he exploded, putting Justin Wong through elimination and beating Vangief. Solid performance, and of course the Valle-Daigo match. It's always a pleasure to see those two go at it.
As for who they use, deal with it; it's a tournament and a lot of people are going to want to go with their best to win. It doesn't matter who they're using, whether their "OP" or not; they spent ample time playing the game in preparation for EVO. It's the player that's making use of the character and what they can do, and clearly many have shown that today, and will show it on Sunday at the finals.
To everyone bitching and moaning about a stream archive there has never been a stream archive of any EVO so don't act like its something new.
Valle vs. Daigo was just a Godlike match
I think its been a great tournament so far best top 32 ever seen at evo with some epic matches. Only thing I think is people put way to much emphasis on yang and not enough on Fei and you can tell some people just did not know the match up well enough. Instead of people discussing what characters are stronger than others people should be discussing how much real training top players put in before EVO and what match ups they emphasized before the tournament. By the results yesterday you can tell that a lot of the top players did not get random out. They just did not prepare enough and took unknown players to lightly as much as they want to say AE is a new game its still SF4 which people have been playing for 3 years now so everyone has leveled up.
@SSF4_YunEdition and Fireinthehole I Couldn't agree more. If you look in any previous posts going way back as early as the game first came out I said that there was no way that Yang is as broken as everyone says he was. Everyone called me out and said I knew nothing about the game. Now that Yang is out of the twins being broken everyone's going to jump on the Yun bandwagon.
@ HAV
I agree with you about the integrity of the tournament and such but I was hoping to see some more Japan vs the world in regards to them taking e/o out, to see how the rest stack up. I actually thought some of the Japanese matches amongst themselves were worse than a lot of the non-Japan matches.
This Yun/Yang/Fei convo is as dumb as th chars themselves...
all you sheep/dickriders/whiners/ball sniffers this is 100% NOT going to be last version of SF4 so chil the fuk out; by next evo if we're not already playing a new version of this syt then Ono will be making a 'special announcement'.
Back on point:
This Evo has bin hype as Fukkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!
Shoutouts to the US holdin it down, Daigo of course and what about Poongko!?!?!?!?
If it wasn't for this I'd say he's gunna win this shiit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClmJEr...
Also @Ruiz 441 LMFAO :D
lol at this US vs japan crap.. Who cares? ( i dont)
i fell asleep 2-3 matches after daigo vs valle :/ (in europe it was 6:00 am -_< )
mad that i couldnt see the rest
but looking forward to the top 8!!!
daigo is a great guy. same as the others. may the BEST win
Cant wait to hear some new on Street Fighter X Tekken
@Grimmjow, are you crazy? Flash was abusing that SPD range and he's not in top 8. It's quite a weapon BECAUSE his SPD in itself is a huge part of Gief's game, any buff on it is good. Not that it excuses the nerf to his EX Hand....he seriously needs to get that back. It's too hard for him to fight Akuma and Sagat without it. :(
Also, lol at kayopolice. I bet those guys wouldn't have extended a hug if they knew what they were hugging. xD
Big ups to Krone/Latif, USA/Vipers repping! RF was incredible, he put up an amazing wall against Valle.
Yang is definitely not OP, he's got good defense and good offense. Yun on the other hand, has horrifying offense and bad defense. In my opinion, the better you are, the more terrifying Yun becomes. However, average players can more easily exploit Yang's potential because he's more balanced (less specialized).
I'm sad I haven't seen any Balrogs, what happened to JS Masters, did he enter? As far as I'm concered, Abel, Gief, Sagat, Akuma, and Balrog very easily counter the top ranking rush down characters. I'm certain that Balrog is the key to dealing with those characters, but unfortunately PR got cut out early and I don't see anyone else using him.
That instant dash Makoto ultra finish on Yun's divekick was godlike, just amazing by Shiro.
I've enjoyed Evo so far, it's fantastic play.
You know why eventhubs whines so much? It's because they don't go into the training room. Top tier players spend about 75% or more time training or fighting good players. Training is the key to knowledge and if you don't put in the time, you don't get anything out.
Also, Poongko is doing really well. He might be flashy, but the one thing people forget is that he fights the best players on the planet while he does it... So what did you think was going to happen when he came over here and was fighting in a US tournament? He does have a very risky play, but his continuous offense and assault is his greatest strength. He's not giving you time to breathe, , which is why Champ's Dhalsim got shut down.
You can guage your skill by playing online, but it's not about online, it's about who you play. With minimal lag and a friends list of "good" players, the medium of practice is irrelevant. Fighting scrubs in arcades wouldn't make you any better. You'll only ever be as good as the people you fight, but not everyone is looking to be tourny worthy. That requires months of work and training, to even get started.
I doubt we'll see many upsets in MVC3 as the skill gap between the elite players and everyone else is pretty huge. We'll definitely see more competitive play in a year or two. I love watching MVC3, just hate playing it at times.
I hope Wong has been concentrating on MvC3 more and has a great showing. His AE result was kind of a disappointment.
Also, are the top 8 set for MK9? Does anyone care? A few months ago all the talk was how this was the best fighting game out there, now it seems to have fallen by the wayside already.
#470
Actually, the top 32 was filled with Yun, Fei and other top tier characters that have a chance against Yun and Fei (Sagat, Rufus, Zangief, Akuma, Viper, etc.). In that way, it was a lot like Shadowloo Showdown. Those character definitely have a stranglehold on this game. To deny that is to deny the evidence.
I should also add that 20 of the 29 matches in the top 32 battle log at the top of this page involved Yun and/or Fei Long. I understand that HAV is basically a contrarian, but to ignore the dominating influence that these characters had in the top 32 is to ignore reality.
@491: They're content to ignore the developers when it comes to this game, so why shouldn't they ignore top players at the most highly-publicized fighting game tournament of the year?
SSF4YunEdition lol at taking an "A" rank serious it doesn't mean anything except I play the game a ton but if using that tries to reinforce your argument it really doesn't it just shows your taking online too serious also I never, ever said Yang is OP so learn to read. I go by viability of the rest but choose not to write because this gets beaten to death. You could ask around I don't usually lose to Yun unless I get some random MFer.
@raven DR Ray never adjusted and was mind f_cked after his loss the problem is that you can't really set up much unless you have U2 and SPD doesn't lead to a hard KD only the kick ones so the can still tech and be ready. Also the problem is the range is misleading at times and it shows.
JS master retired so he didn't go more than likely, Abel really dive kick character blow him up it's been that way with Rufus and Cammy back in Super. So you don't really know what your talking about.
@Pig red Akuma @ viper have always been top they usually do it on a constant basis so really nothings changed except the new top tier being there. Oh yeah Rufus also tends to place good at EVO.
& viper.
HAV you should know by now weaboos never count this victories so why try. But I enjoy that those guys have lvld up.
What Justin Wong does everytime he walks into these things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noVSbO...
IMO Momochi should have stayed with Ken instead of jumping on Yun bandwagon. As far as I remember he beat Tokido's Akuma in Gods Garden...
It doesn't change the fact that it's nice to see Tokido's Akuma in top8 (especially that he's not a Yun/Yang/Fei convert).
What happened to Mike Ross? Is there anyone in this thread who is at EVO can tell us what happened to him?
@Grimm, the match-up might not be in Abel's favor, but he's a grappler with mobility and characters like that always give rush down a run for their money. Overall, I absolutely know what I'm talking about. And Abel does fight rush down characters pretty well, but perhaps the dive kick makes things worse than it is.
Just explain where I made a mistake, I don't need you telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. lol
DeathWish has the most entertaining Phoenix to watch. I'm going to be looking for more gameplay from him.
So what happenned to Tokido vs Daigo ? I never seen him so free . It's was atroce to watch . He made tons of scrubs mistake and he was not even trying . Was it staged?
Mago picking Sagat vs Justin . If Justin picked Fei , Mago would have owned him period . He picked ultra 2 vs wolkkrone and never used it . So he basicly shot himself in the foot .
Fei seem to have difficulties vs Viper also.
Dive kicks make it worse and with his c.hp being nerfed doesnt help to much falling sky is pretty meh to begin with and if they rush him down he is free and it's been like that so yeah I will stick with what I said.
@Fireinthehole he lost to CJ truth and lost too snafoo.
@#498 raven
One of the main things that make true grapplers a pain for rush down is 2 frame heavy damage command grabs that can punish things that are relatively safe. Abel on the other hand is more of a momentum character with a 5 frame command grab, and due to the speed he cant threaten rushdown characters the same way gief and hawk would. Plus gief and hawk have a much more dangerous range on their grabs and not to mention the 0 frame grab ultras if they choose to use it.
The main rush down characters, most are with dive kicks, which all can terrorize abel on wake up as he cant really escape easily. As he cant punish messed up block strings like gief/hawk would(would have to use ex tornado throw if anything) and his roll gets grabbed by the divekick/throw routine from many characters. Abel reset and damage combo potential is what would make him a threat to rushdown characters, its not in the same fashion as a true grappler.
@powered well at least there is some Gief rep in the finals.
I guess so At least it didnt die during grand finals
Wow, 3 Crimson Vipers in the tournament... viper's OP xD jk.
You gotta give credit to Viper players in top 8 though, considering Viper is definitely not the easiest character to play as.
@Grimm
yea didnt expect flash metroid to be so bold with gief. Vangief was being too systematic in his approach which imo cause him to lose. Flash just went in fearless and started grabbing dudes while not being completely reckless. Reminds me of how i like to play my grapplers.
STREAM?? SPOOKY? this is unheard of!!!
Pool's closed, everyone get out.
Pack your bags, go home........stream's dead.
It's Team Spooky running it. Ofcourse it died randomly. jk I wonder what happened
http://twitter.com/#!/evo2k/status/97...
it should be back in a few
Second stream is up, but only audio for now.
Video should be up in a while....oh video/crowd shot came on whilst typing.
more wolverines please! this reminds me of mvc1 on ggpo....
@511 and @522
It's certainly a possibility. EVO is an American tournament and the holders of the tournament will manipulate all that they could so that the most of American players will get what they want to see.
Ever since Poongko beat Momochi at SS, there have been HORDES of American players jumping on Poongko's d1ck, and the tournament holders of Evo2k11 know that fully well. I mean, it's really not hard at all for anyone to realize that Poongko definitely has the largest number of American players on his d1ck at of this point in time. Just go to any random thread about SF4 and you'll see hordes of Poongko-d1ckriding posts made by American players.
The tournament holders are fully aware of the fact that the largest number of American players really want Poongko to win this tournament, that I can say for sure. But what I cannot say for sure is if those guys are purposely manipulating things so that Poongko can actually have a greater chance of winning. Though that's certainly a possibility.
Yes, it is VERY suspicious that most of the top Japanese players are forced to play one another while Poongko mostly had to play people who are not really as good as he is.
Another thing that's striking to me is that Poongko's matches against F.Champ and F.Metroid have been players who are not on the same level as he is. The thing here is that not all players will play in the same manner every time they go to a tournament.
If you look at matches from top players, you'll see that their playstyle and tactics will change during different tournaments. Top players know that they have to slightly alter their tactics and playstyle whenever they go to different tournaments because if they play the same way, then others will catch up.
The catch here is that if you are playing against someone else who is not as good as you, then you can "save your cards" for later matches. Meaning that you don't have to expose the tricks and gimmicks that you tend to use, nor do you have to reveal your true tactics when going up against players who are of lower level.
So far, Poongko has had the priviledge to more or less conceal his "true cards" until he has to face Daigo in the top 8. But the same cannot be said for all the Japanese players though. All the Japanese players were forced to play each other and you cannot "hide your cards" for later matches if your playing against someone that's at your own level.
Anyways, I guess I'll just cut it at here. I will admit that I cannot say anything for sure since I don't have any definitely proof that the tournament holders are purposesly setting up the brackets to give Poongko a better chance of winning evo2011, but I have given my reasons for why I'm a little suspicious of how things have been working out.
LOL
Commentator 1 spots fat viper cosplayer: 'dude is that viper?'
Commentator 2: 'Yeah but I think shes been nerfed!!!'
@Raven are you just stupid or what kid did I ever say Abel can't compete nope I said he has a hard time against dive kicks you just take one match and think well this shows Abel is good when it's really not. There's a reason most have dropped Abel in tourney play so do research before posting like you know what you are talking about sir. Also learn the definition of scrub because you clearly don't know what it is.
@fireinthehole that is the stupidest statement ive heard from you about the tournament seeding...
Also Kayo doing some Lili cosplay the commentators are infatuated.
Also kept saying he was in love with Kayo Police: guess he doesn't know 'she' has a huge CAWK!!!!
or maybe he does...
@Grimmjow316
You never said that Yang was also OP...sorry, i was wrong because that was other guy i just traded names, does not mean that i can´t read.
It doesn´t show that i take online too serious, since i don´t care about Bp´s and PP´s, but i respect that people that make the effort to be top ranked. If you don´t take it serious, i don´t know why you achieve A rank.
Agree that can mean nothing in some levels, because there are some boosters, but if i wanna train to become stronger, i will choose to play top ranked players, i knew latif before, but i never was able to seen the guy in big tourneys, and he turned to be in top 8 EVO and he was top ranked Viper, along with other guys, so that for me means something when the guy has skills and i only have to learn from him.
If it reinforces or not my argument i don´t care.
@527
Here you go again, every single time that someone disagrees with you, you'll flip a table and start acting like a 3rd grader calling them "stupid" without giving any explanation of why.
So what part of my post #524 did you find to be so "stupid"????
Was it my statement saying that the tournament holders are fully aware of the fact that right now, Poongko has the GRESTEST number of American players on his d1ck? If you think that statement is "stupid" then you're ignorant man. The tournament holders are not a bunch of old men who just live in their closets and not know about what's going on.
The tournament holders are people who devout A LOT of their time to scour the internet in order to read over as many opinions of American players that they can find. And it's not at hard to realize that most American players are on Poongko's d1ck as of this point in time. Just go the newsfeed comments on here, iplaywinner, srk, or even just read over the comments on SSF4-AE matches that are uploaded on YouTube.
The level of Poongko d1ck-riding comments being made by American players in all those places are astounding. The tournament holders have to be mentally retaarded to not realize the fact that most American players are part of the Poongko-hype bandwagon.
If it was not that, then was it my assertion that top-players tend to slightly shift their tactics at every different tournament?
k then i just play a lot really lol that and see what I can get away with in online as compared to offline and no surprise how much bs works...
If anything I have been defending Yang I had sets with a friend and he not only has little to no answer against grapplers but also no comeback factor hence a bad MU to exploit we were testing stuff out to see if he had a move similar to Yun's forward HP sadly nope.
Also word going around the archives might be released next week? I don't have complete confirmation so hopefully it is earlier.
@fireinthehole
Because you have no proof in your facts. Have you ever hosted a tournament especially on with 1500+ players that's damn hard if anything the Japanese players had it easier than some US players.
Case in point you had roughly 1 japanese player per pool while people out of state where facing each other in pools because they couldn't accommodate everyone. If you watch you had guys from Hawaii freaking Hawaii face off real early is that fair nope but that's just how it is.
Tournament organizers have more important things to do rather than read pointless comments about this guy, that guy etc. Plus they went by seeding points let's not forget that.
Hence why I said your comment was stupid.
Daigo was perfected offstream in MvC3 and sent to losers......no why didn't we see that¿!
Oh damn, is that Noah ripping someone a new hole¿!¿!
@534
Go back and thoroughly read people's posts before you jump the gun and start spewing your worthless BS again. This isn't the first time which you've been starting sh1t because you have failed to read what other people have written.
Back in post #524 of mine. I explicitly stated numerous times that I was not saying anything for certain. You clearly did not read the last paragraph of post #524 where I explicitly stated that:
"I will admit that I cannot say anything for sure since I don't have any definitely proof that the tournament holders are purposesly setting up the brackets to give Poongko a better chance of winning evo2011, but I have given my reasons for why I'm a little suspicious of how things have been working out."
Oh damn! That Deadpool comeback was foiled by the teleport fail. D R Ray shall rue the day.
Awesomeness in that entertaining MvC 3 match.
Then why waste time writing a stupid post to begin with.
Also you couldn't refute it so you call it BS? stay free.
@534
"Tournament organizers have more important things to do rather than read pointless comments about this guy, that guy etc. Plus they went by seeding points let's not forget that."
I disagree with the notion that tournament holders of evo2k11 were completely oblivious to the fact there's a Poongko-hype bandwagon sweeping through most of the American players.
The tournament holders don't have be sitting on their computer and reading through each and every single comment on eventhubs, iplaywinner, srk, and youtube to realize the that there's a HUGE Poongko-hype amongst most of the American players and such.
reread the post did i say they were oblivious nope I said they have more important things to do than sit and read 100+ comments. It also looks like you answered your own question.
Also it was last minute for Poongko to go since it keep looking unlikely due to lack of sponsor. Also it's not just America everyone is hype because the goal for every player is to take Daigo out so makes sense he is seen as the biggest threat.
@542
Pfffft. You telling me to stay free? LOL.
Keep it up child, you ain't foolin anyone. I remember all your tactics from the thread and you still haven't changed anything at all.
And yes I did refute your argument, which is why I called it BS. If you think that I did not refute it, then please go back and read post #538 scrub. I mean, grammar-scrub who can't read. Haha.
yeah because using YT comments as evidence makes your argument strong lol. You got called out by SRK that's why I bet you haven't gone back.
@549
Yo grammar-scrub. Learn to read. Hahaha. I guess I'll have to tell you everytime I speak to you since you're such an intellectual noob.
Anyways, these are my words here. I've given a list of places where the comments of players do in fact reflect the opinions of the American street-fighter players. And of the lists I've given, YouTube was always the last resort on all those lists. You've purposely write things to make it seem as if YouTube is the only source I've used. Keep trying to cheat your away around an argument scrub, and I'll keep calling you out for it:
"The tournament holders don't have be sitting on their computer and reading through each and every single comment on eventhubs, iplaywinner, srk, and youtube to realize the that there's a HUGE Poongko-hype amongst most of the American players and such."
"And it's not at hard to realize that most American players are on Poongko's d1ck as of this point in time. Just go the newsfeed comments on here, iplaywinner, srk, or even just read over the comments on SSF4-AE matches that are uploaded on YouTube."
You're an ignorant-scrub as always. YouTube comments is not the best place to go if you want to know about gameplay tactics I agree. But YouTube comments do have the potential to gie insight into what most American players want to see and they also give insight into which top-pro most American players will want the most to win.
@ fireinthehole
such a try hard...
wrote another 100 posts why no one agrees with you...
and argue with everyone with everyone of them.
now i want to call you retarded but i think
the words
Insanity / delusional fit better
doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...
very sad...
Keep typing dumb crap omg still haven't refuted my comment on tournament and seeding lol.
@554
Ahem, "no one" agrees with me???
Please go and read post #473. And no, that's not the one and only time where people have openly stated that they've openly agreed with me on subject matters.
Hey ignorant-scrub who called me out. Please go back and look things over before you start your name calling crap.
You stated that "no one" agrees with me in the very same thread where people have openly said that they agree with me. EPIC FAIL!!!!
And you know that you're an EPIC FAIL when you make such a bold statement that can easily be refuted.
@560 you're mom is keeping me company so it's all good xD.
Like Ross with that hulk play. Daigo on the ropes now lets see what he does :)
@ fireinthehole
argue more...
your sure helping your case...
calling me a "scrub" ... really what are you 10?
"refuted" this and that, you learn a new word today?
you come on here and act like a child, and that is exactly how you will/are be/being treated...
you ... "ignorant-scrub" .......
CHOOOOKKEEEEE!! WOW. Rare footage of Daigo actually laughing! LOL. Awesome match, though not great technical wise. Meh Noah
guy had so many times to kill off daigo characters yet opted not too. He was solid all around and then tried to rely on a gimmicky phoenix and it cost him dearly. Bad judgement call to let dangerous threats live more than once.
Thats like the 8th time he up exchanged smh. Like that modok
Both of those guys deserved to lose. I get the kid is 8 but im not sure prodigy is not the right term. Like Royal flush was using a "strange" for a lack of better word team. I think he choked because of pressure losing to a 8 year old. Hope we see better matches.
Lol I didn't know writing a lot of comments made me top tier I swear if that is your biggest complaint you are just sad. Stay free :)
@565
bmomosaik, you're not an ignorant scrub? Really???? You said that "no one" agrees with me in the very same thread in which people have openly stated that they agree with me. How is that not ignorance.
Come one bmomosaik, you know and I know that you have no authority to call out other people for being a "child." I mean, aren't adults supposed to be writing in complete and coherent sentences?
Hey bmomosaik or shall I call you "Mr.IFailedGradeSchool" let me teach you some basic writing skills that ALL ADULTS should know: You start off a sentence with a capitalized letter such as A, B, C, or D. And you're supposed to end your sentences with a period which is only one dot "." not "....."
Your teacher will mark you points off on your homework if you put "......" as your sentence ending period rather than just one dot. LOL.
@577
Pffffft. What an epic douche, epic failure, epic joke, epic loser, epic n00b, epic scrub, etc... this Grimmjow316 guy is.
Someone called you out as being a Top-Tier loser, which you are, and you're all boasting about it. You're pathetic goontard and thinks that being anything that's "Top-Tier" is supposed to be good and rewarding, including being a Top-Tier Loser.
You might as well write to Capcom or broken tier and ask them to design you a customized shirt just for you that say: "Hey look at me, I'm a top tier loser." hahahaha
@fireinthehole you're just a sad troll if you fail to see it's a joke but you jump into sonic hurricanes so yeah.
#578 Why are you always arguing with ppl? I know its not just you ( Nerfguile, Grimmjow, Aluppuj) but just let it go. Most of us have heard your opinion on most topics (yun) and I get defending yourself, but at some point just be the bigger man and let it go. I don't agree with some of the stuff you say but I least respect it. You've made your points (the essays on other walls linked) so let it go. I am not trying to start an argument, but am tired of seeing half the posts on here about the same topic, and I assume I am not the only one. @ Nerfguile, Al, and to a lesser degree Grim: No offense, I was just using you guys as an example. I actually agree with alot of your comments Grim. Anyways lets enjoy the stream!
@Grimmjow316 You have problems with everyone on here that should say something about you. You're obviously a loner that has no friends. All you do all day is troll everyone because that's the only thing that makes you feel good because you have nothing better to do. All you do is sit behind your keyboard all day and call people stupid and tell them that they can't spell. I'm not trying to put you down I'm trying to help you. Why don't you do something constructive with your life? I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree with me when I say that when you have over 100 comments on 1 page and most of them are negative about other people it just shows what type of person you are. Learn to eat some humble pie and good luck on your journey to growing up.
@ fireinthehole
OMG i don't care about grammar on a forum post... who would of thought... i spend less then 30 seconds writing a post and you take 20 minutes congrats you win the grammar war... that i was not even taking part in; keep arguing that's all you do...
what a "ignorant scrub"....
@575
LittleMDR, just a quick word of advice. Be wary of this Grimmjow guy. He might start stalking you around here on EH. He's been doing that to me for the past 4 weeks or so. Though I don't exactly recall what I did to him around 3-4 weeks back to cause him to be on my a$$ everywhere.
Basically what he'll do is that every time you make a comment, he'll reply to that comment with some sort of personal attack on you where ever you happen to write. And usually those personal attacks have nothing to do with the contents of your comment. I deliberately tried to avoid this guy in this thread here, but he threw personal attacks at me anyways and I decided to respond.
@LittleDMR Not really if you care to look I've been having fun with this event and posting comments here because sadly the stream chat they are using sucks ass and the other social chat is just spamming of this and that. If anything I was telling people too move on but what do we get paragraphs full of BS from both sides.
I call people stupid when made dumb comments or are writing things they know little about. Raven for example this game has been out long enough to know Dive kick characters give Abel the hardest time and he really didn't know what he was talking saying they can take them out at least convincingly. You say you read through all of it is bs most where reactions, results etc it wasn't till both sides of the Yun brigade show up that I was like "here we go". Just hilarious how you call cheap shots helping.
@583
He doesn't argue with me. I usually agree with fireinthehole.
IMHO far too many ppl place vast importance on the tier list. Yun and Fei are strong, but no stronger than the Top Tiers of Vanilla/Super.
I also believe that the Nerfs to the Top Tiers, while I might not like all of them, helped create a more balanced game than Super or Vanilla.
The low/mid tiers, for example: Makoto, Guy, Seth, Cody, Juri and Hakan all git a lot better than their Super counterparts.
All in All, Evo with AE has been amazing thus far! No Rufus vs Ryu final? Wtf, lol!
but i will apologize for the mom comment thought that was out of line. Now can we enjoy the event.
@Grimmjow316 You know what I'll be the bigger man. The cheap shots were unnecessary as I don't know you. I'll apologize and say I went a bit far. Keep doing whatever you want, just don't comment to me anymore and I'll do the same. It's a game and it's suppose to be fun for everyone and I've organized a few tourneys in my area before so I should have known that. It's a game and I'll never let anyone get under my skin over it. It's about he community and happy faces.
# 589, I know I follow most the arguments. I'm more on the "f*ck yun" wagon lol, and might be biased since all my characters have bad machups against him :P Its pretty balanced overall although I feel super was more so, but hey its rushdowns turn since super was zoning. Im sure theyll balance it out again. Just my two bits and I respect your opinion.
Either way I agree amazing tournament. I think we all knew a ryu wouldnt make it though (though valle gave a good shot) I just got off 12 hour night shift in korea( us army) and am finally watching ( same last night) Took 2morrow off to watch finals.
Yay Marlinpie is on !!
Damn I love watching Marlinepie play! Awesome team and stylish
@592
Well Sir,
I thank you for your Military service. You guys are true Heros! And thank you for stating your opinion without acting like a maniac.
All I can say is look at our top 8 this year. Fairly diverse right? I'd say that several characters became way more viable in AE!
Peace
@Little I agree and I apologize as well it is easy to troll around here so I took your comment as such my mistake. Now let's have fun with the event sir, but you are right I do comment a lot site could use an edit button xD.
I guess everyone will always have their own opinion about everything but, the truth is we need as much people as possible and shouldn't discourage anyone from leaving the community no matter how they are. At the end of the day seeing people make new friends and shaking hands like good sports really changes the outlook of how people really are in the real world. It is an escape for some for the real world as it can be stressful at times. So good luck to everyone Except for MDR. I never knew you were a nice person LOL, how about giving me a prize next time for attending one of your tourney's scrub.
@ Al Thanks! 8 1/2 years now :) Top 8 Somewhat diverse I agree although those were the characters most thought would make it (Rushdown/ Gief)
@ Grimm Marvel: Mike ross ( I believe! though I think hell just miss out on top 8 because bad hulk matchups) lol, combofiend, flash, and marlin pie. Tokido (only phoenix player i like) Chris G and Wong wont upset me.
SSF4 Flash and Tokido though I suspect its Daigo's to lose. Poongko is the dark horse. Wont mind him winning
cool I'm rooting for Flash that Gief blood in me veins lol. After that Latif then Poongko.
Marvel: I think Justin hopefully Ross
MK: I didn't know Michael & Brady where taken out that is wide open.
Gutter Trash who you rooting for in the games.
BTW 3rd strike master challenge the players chosen are
Hsien Chang
Fubarduck
Mike Z
Sanchez
Amir
you from Detroit oh snap them lions looking good right now. sorry off topic I'm hoping they can stop the 3peat.
Flash is from miami, so that why im rooting for him. Met him at a texas tourney too, and he was cool.
Mk: Not really watching but thought Brady or PL. Tom already out is suprising.
Im cool with the Daigo 3 peat. Hes the beast.
Wow There is a Balance patch coming... http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ju...
Yeah it was Subzero player who bested on him from what I gathered.
Lions are looking better this year, maybe double digits lol? I'm really a MASSIVE Red Wings fan! This is Hockey Town after all :)
Onlinetony is on my friends list, that's my number 1 boy on Seth! So I can't root poongko, but I give him props. I didn't think he could make top eight. Nice.
Wolfkrone's Viper is sooo slick. He's my hometown boy, and we both play pad! (I do collect sticks to mod)
But Umehara is so skilled you can't help but admire. I like to see the legacy grow. He truly is a Beast.
does anyone know if justin is in mvc3 still i havent heard anything bout him ??
Ha good match! Though marn dropped mad combos. Hype level 3s!
Nice Daigo. Alot of ppl choking against Daigo though they got a chance. Beast making a good showing
Man what is Daigos aura made of people be choking left and right.
Its freaking Daigo. plus everyone wants to be the one who knows him out. Tons of pressure
@Grimm, can I see some of your tournament matches, I think I could learn a lot from them?
I admit my fault on the Abel thought, I was too linear in my reasoning of his strengths vs. a certain niche of characters.
But why does a good player such as yourself spend your time arguing with scrubs like myself? I'd really enjoy seeing you enter Evo, I bet you could make top 32.
It looks like you guys don't this but, Latif is not American, he is a Saudi Arabian citizen, he is in the US just for university :P I know him personally.
COMBOFIEND VS FANATIC
THIS IS AWESOME
DAT HUG AT THE END
@628 we are using Latif on loan you Saudi Arabia can have him back once EVO is done.:P
@raven cute real cute.
Because hes *. Hes about to get bodied though, Hes not really that good. Spams armor moves. But hes 8 so ppl cheer their ass off. Fair enough I guess
Chris G- You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. lol
NOAH WILL BE BACK A FEW YEARS AND WILL FACE CHRIS G. SAYING:
REMEMBER ME PUNK? YOU MADE ME THIS WAY!!!
Why do I hear Yipes' superior commentary in the background and not on the mic?
BTW did anyone watch most of the after hours stream last night? I watched the beginning but I had to wake up early the next morning and missed most of it. Did anything interesting happen?
@#648
The whole room could probably hear Yipes(sounds like hes on the a megaphone or something), while the stream can only hear the 2 commentators on the mics.
@Darealest: couldn't agree more, I have no idea who's losing to who or where the hell the bracket is. My reference is this:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/sprea...
Sweet.
More importantly, can we get a stream with Yipes' commentary only? PLEASE.
I bet the gameplay at Evo doesn't top this guy's skill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cQ8_D...
gotta admit the Fail from this guy was funny i hope capcom Buffs deadpool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CPIqV...
RANDOM STAGE AS DEFAULT in UMVC3
99.9% of matches were on that 2 color training stage!
Seth admits that teleports, particularly Wesker, are too fast for the engine to block when crossed up / ambiguous. I have said this repeatedly and even got an SRK thread closed by moderators calling me names to boot when I tried to get the word out about this and now it's finally out there! I knew it wasn't lag why I wasn't blocking.
Alas, Seth admitted it's too deep in the battle engine to fix and will be the same in UMVC3. Sigh.
Cl0ckwork showing just how overrated he is. That was some vicious exposure from Viscant
Ranmasama is sick, in a team match against him in texas, Me and my friends combined only hit him 4 total times.. not combo's.. hits.. Sick mag and haggar ( if he is still playing that
Props to Justin and Rashan. Best player (imo) and Best spidey (FACT lol)
672
he took himself out. When he decided to half-ass his training on MvC3 aka to 'them' the Gaijin Game.
I HIGHLY SUPPORT HOLDING The Start Button down for a pause during a Versus Match.
Oh and Marn is running Magneto, Zero, Akuma. Detramantix was running Wolverine, Sentinel, Phoenix, or his alternate team is Spencer, Wolverine, Sentinel.
Someone make an EVO moments video of Justin Wong vs. Richard Nguyen NOW!!
JUSTIN WOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG!!
OH MY GAD! OH MY GAD!
Both Daigo and Tokido got eliminated a long time ago.
@ 686 & 689
Ranmasama from Louisiana defeated Tokido. I don't think anyone revealed who defeated Daigo and Mike Ross.
Honestly, to all those saying Daigo and Tokido are such stars. They are stars in Street Fighter, but they are nowhere close to being stars in Marvel. The people that you are seeing competing for top 8 (J.Wong, Combofiend, Clockwork, Viscant, Marn, F.Champ, R.Nguyen, Floe, Noel Brown, Sanford Kelly, etc.) are the real stars in Marvel.
I'm not directing my comment about stars to you two (shano and Ironmonk)... I'm just saying.
F*ck all the people I wanted to win lost. Marn, Sanford and Clockw0rk :(
Damn it to f*cking hell! Clockwork didn't make it, so disappointed.
DAMN EAST COAST! On some real stuff we need to do more weekly events over here. Get some megabus tickets and ride out LOL. I had a feeling WC was gonna dominate, not to say any of the guys on the other team were bad players, I think we are more familiar with what guys on the WC team are capable of. also disappointed by combofiend in this team battle lol but he was playing EC's better player apparently. Good stuff tho
Anyone know who the Honda player on stream is right now?
Oh Daigo is using honda wtf. Who is the Sagat player?
Inthul oh snap. lol Gootecks damn making it sound worse.
Wow @ inuthul beating Mago. I totally wanted him to take the run back.
@704
Is Honda a good character against Seth by any chance??? Word on the street is that AE-Seth is a VERY BAD match-up against AE-Yun especially when it comes to the high level professionals.
Sucks for Daigo. He has to play against a handi-cap player. If he loses, then people will call him out for losing against handicap. If he wins, then people will call him out for being an a$$hole for using Yun against a handicap.
good match by Broly did better than most guys who have faced Daigo.
"I met Air on eHarmony.com" WTF?!?!?
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that this guy is a laming jacka$$ and is not at all funny.
^ It's early in the morning so yeah they aren't going to be really trying.
@713 thank you sir so much for Japan going after America's game.
Can't they pit Poongko against one of the Japanese players that has already gotten eliminated?
Yeauuuuhhh!!!!
Ryan Hart just bodied Poongko's Seth with his Yun. This here shows that Poongko's Seth is not invincible to Yun players, even when the match-up is in Seth's favor.
One could only imagine how of Poognko's American d1ckriders are mad salty about that. Ryan Hart better be sharing some of the match-up knowledge against Poongko with Daigo.
Now I've been talking to a few people that I know who are actually now at evo2k11, and the word on the street is that almost every single one of the American players who has gone up against the Japanese who're still remaining, have went and told Poongko advice on what to do if Poongko has to face any of the Japanese players who are still remaining in brackets. But at the same time, NONE of the players who have faced Poongko have been giving of advice to any of the Japanese on how to beat Poongko.
I surely hope that at least Ryan Hart and/or Hsien Chang will balance this scale out in terms of coaching. As far as I see it, it isn't fair that Poongko's getting all these advice on how to take on the Japanese while none of the Japanese are getting any advice on how to beat Poongko. So Hsien and Ryan should even things up by giving their words of advice to some of the Japanese.
Damn poongko getting blown up by Yun he might not be ready for Daigo.
So Daigo is gonna blow everyone up in MvC3 at evo 2011!? LMAO Didnt even finish in the top 32.. I knew it lol
LOL, the stream got cut off during the middle of Hsien vs Poongko. Hopefully somebody tells us results.
Poongkos problem has always been he's to ballsy with his dps and these guys are showing him why he needs to be more cautious.
Guess they are done but he better process this if he wants to win.
It's back odds are Hsien won since it wasn't off that long.
@ 691. It doesn't matter who the better players are in Marvel. Daigo brings by far the most interest out of all the players. Therefore it's just dumb not to show his matches.
And Tokido was one of the favourites, so it's equally dumb to not show his.
719, who said Daigo was gonna blow everyone up? Daigo certainly didn't.
Tbh, he hasn't looked like Daigo this evo. Been missing a lot of comboes in both AE and Marvel. Maybe he's not used to Ps3.. I dunno. But usually he never drops comboes. Marvel he probably didn't take as seriosuly, but to see him drop so many comboes in AE is very suspicious.
@713
Thanks, much appreciated.
@719
Anyone that was saying Daigo would win MvC3 was either trolling or an idiot. I thought if he made top 8 it would be an unbelievable showing for him. I'm a little surprised he didn't make top 32, but he lost to someone that made top 8. Better luck next year.
Oh, and everyone there should buy Mine a drink and shake his hand.
watching ae pools and that makes you relies why were getting a patch
Best Wolverine: Justin Wong
Best Tron: Flash Metroid
Best Spencer: C0mbofiend
Best Dante: Richard Nguyen
Best Magneto: Fanatiq
Best Dr.Doom: Clockw0rk
Best Zero: Stone
Best Wesker: Viscant
Best Phoenix: Filipino Champ
Does any1 know the track that was playing when the stream had started but the tourney hadnt begun? it was on like 10 minutes ago
@736, compare that to Marvel vs Capcom 2. 12 out of 38 characters in MvC3 top 8 for EVO 2011 or 9 out of 56 characters in top 8 for MvC2 in EVO 2010. So what is your point?
That means 31% of the character cast was featured in the top 8 of MvC3 while a whopping 16% of the cast was featured in MvC2 top 8 last year. I think we're doing better this year then Captain Commando, Sentinel, Storm, Psylocke, and Magneto.
By the way of those 9 characters; Cable was used by Sanford, Cyclops used by Justin and Strider and Doom used by Clock of course. That means every other character used in the top 8 that was not those 4 characters was either Captain Commando, Sentinel, Storm, Psylocke and Magneto.
The diversity in characters used in this game at the top level is no where near as stagnant as MvC2.
PPL say Yang is overpowered when i didnt even see a single yang in top 32.
Yang is almost like the new Fei long but not in terms of moves, hes like Fei from vanilla and super, has serious untapped potential.
But when it comes to other ppl, they say yang is overpowered but in reality hes being overshadowed by Yun..
It's sad that this guy Filthie Rich, commentaing Tekken, is not commenting SF... he is really good!
Wow finally a mention on the site for some of the Blazblue results. Is this place only for Capcom games or something?? Also, I hate Tekken but the tagging in TTT2 looks WAY superior to SFxT. None of the pace lost, none of this BS slowed-down animation rubbish.
Whoever is updating the brackets for MK9 is making embarrassing mistakes. Please fix it. REO was the Mileena player and is still in the tournament. He did not get eliminated.
Mortal Kombat is not worthy of EVO. Worthless game from a hack developer.
@767
"haters gonna hate."
Yes Grimmjow316, I agree with you for once. All those Yun haters need to chill out and STFU.
@human_scum
i agree.. the slow down stupid tag in sfxt is really annoying.. it slows down the game, its not even an ultra where it happens once a round where it should be dramatic, this is a dam bnb combo.. so its gonna happen all the time.. annoying
Guess we have common ground... Soda?
Also 3s should be next been, MK finals have been awesome.
mk9 has no hype. You can tell because the announcers have to say "this is very entertaining..."
@777 I know right because one comment speaks for everyone smh.
Lol no it's not your just generalizing based off 1 comment. Also 3s no hype from the crowd says alot.
@782 they are probably out of practice that and it's an exhibition why try.
co-sign sektah84
i love sf games but also respect the others such as blaz blue oder mk even tekken!
and lol at AE top 8.. 2 yuns only? what up haters? (and one of them daigo..)
from the crap u read here month for month u could think top 8 = 4x fei long 4x yun :/
BUT.. i hope we dont see FINALs between 2 viper players (can that happen? didnt check rly)
It's a capcom fighting game site *sigh* no need to get all offended because certain people could care less for MK to each there own.
K then just can't please everyone... is this almost over... Zzzzz
Before a crap comment comes it would have been better if they got more active 3 players I know some who are there most of these guys look like they are rusty.
I understand why the term Stream Monster is thrown around now. At first I just thought it was a joke, but all the people on the stream do is complain that "Insert game here" is boring, that they think a person lucked out, that something takes no skill, that their better, etc. etc.
I've never wanted to punch so many people in the face before in my life.
Lol Champ probably gave the match away TBH. Not to take anything away for Combo ( I was rooting for him ) but that was pretty obvious.
Noticed how Combofiend looked depressed before the match? Grabbing his mouth? Its cause he didn't like that decision.
Seth:"well deserved to Viscant"
Phoenix is NOT a well deserved win.
Congrads to DARK PHOENIX for winning EVO 2k11 - REAL TALK!!
Here Phoenix Haters Take a bit of my Salt to Dry your Tears! Ask not for Pity of the Dark Phoenix! There is none here.......
Hope Capcom does a Gen on Phoenix, never want to see a team with her again.
Did any of you foaming at the mouth rabid anti phoenix shouters see his resets and setups with wesker and haggar? Did you see him roll rog without losing any characters? Did you see his awesome runs with regular phoenix? The guy earned his win. Besides who else noticed that rog does almost the same opener everytime and uses tron assist liberally? Both players played amazingly and the finals were awesome. You same whiners used to complain about tron assist, Logan super easy insane damage, and Dante having forever combos.
Jeezus, this Boxer documentary was a waste of time... since they're already running behind, they should've cut it... Balrog, being my main, is cool, and I was excited for this, but it dissapointed..
BOXER DOCU WAS CANON IT EXPLAINS THE NAME CHANGE F-CK THE HATERS
This is the Wrestlemania of--
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Ono apologized for AE balance.
The quality of the AE stream seems much higher than MvC3. Bias?
859
I caught that.
If Team Spooky can keep the stream good all the way. He will officially BLOW UUUUP!
STOP CHANTING USA....It's not over yet! It's only a round!!
Hahahaha.
Kindevu's a god. Trolling the audience and saying: What now b1tches.
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HOLYCOW... the intensity for the games:
WolfKrone (C. Viper) vs. eLive|Kindevu (Yun)
Fuudo (Fei Long) vs. AG|Latif (C. Viper)
MCZ|Daigo Umehara (Yun) vs. Poongko (Seth)
how the **** can they play like this? Is that non stop option select? Someone mesg me at yes4me@hotmail.com
HOLY $*#@&$@! THAT JUST HAPPENED??!!! Poongko just PERFECTED Daigo!!!
Damn, that was an entertaining match from Poongko, let's hope that Daigo doesn't .................sorry I have no words left.
Wait,did Daigo get PERFECTED again¿!
I know USA drafted Latif but did we get Poongko on loan. ;)
Latif, Daigo and Poongko in losers....WTF is going on here¿ My heart can't take this.
DDDAAAAIIIGGGOOOO OOOOUUUTTTT dick riders are crying now! LOLZ
Daigo just got Justin wonged... The best lost at there own games...
Just like I typed on one of the last cross counters videos I felt the main threat to Poongko was Latif or Wolfkrone.
OMFG VIPER IZ SO CHEEP AN BR0KEN OP!!!! NERF PLZ!!1 Capcom plz nerf her she's 2 good has 2 many gud options n tools might aswell call it Super Viper Fighter 4!!!!!!
/end stupid ass generic crying that comes from anyone being good at the game with any character.
More Viper's in the top 8 than Yun's. Is she broken? No. Get good and shut up. Good stuff from Fuudo, Poongko, Flash, Daigo, Latif, Tokido, and everybody that did their thing with whoever they decided to use.
HahahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Loves it!
A Hong Kong character wins Hong Kong Fighter IV.
/joke
Damn, I thought having a Viper in finals was just hopeful. Latif going to kill me with the suspense here. Afraid of Fei's Ultra 2.
Oh, dayum, Latif lost >.<
:(
Let this be a lesson learned for Daigo: There is no honor in switching to the unquestioned top character just as a way of avoiding hard work and attempting to pre-empt users of that character that would challenge your legacy.
Oh well, better luck next year, "champ". Who knows--maybe he won't take the easy road then?
Oh, and who called that Fei Long or Yun would win before this tournament even began? Yeah, that was me. gg all, gg. See you guys next year!
F-CK!!!! YEAAAA!!!!
GOOOO FFUUUUDDDDOOOO!!!!
Take REVENGE ON ALL THOSE WHO SCREWED DAIGO.
grand finals a biiit boring. maybe cause of a winner that nobody really knew. respect to fuudo!!
and shut up tier-whores/balance cry babys.
still a bit shocked about poongko vs daigo.
next year daigo knows how to play vs poongko.but who knows? maybe 2-3 other uber-talents will rise from now to next years evo
Awesome performances and great event overall!
I don't regret getting up at 5 to see the SSFIV AE top 8.
(European)
Damn Daigo got bodied!! Wanted Daigo to take it but oh well he did best that's all that matters. Despite Daigo's elimination I'm glad that the Japanese took Evo again, and looking forward to how Daigo will improve for next year.
GGs from Latif though he was pretty solid. To all Viper haters out there, Daigo lost and Latif won deal with it.
i dont regret staying UP till 6:59 AM (europe)
see ya next year
Well US has a killer in Latif to take out the favorites is mentally taxin to a player.
That was an amazing event. Hope we can see all smiles at the end of this and no heart attacks. Also BAGUMAIN is a loser troll, stop being such a hater. Lets see you win any tourneys with any characters.
People who don't know Fuudo don't follow the scene, esp James Chen. Did you hear how he was "if Latif could beat Daigo and Poongko, he could surely beat Foodo" so dismissively. C'mon I usually love ya James but get with it. Fuudo. Know the name.
Hey but congrats to a great albeit anticlimatic ending. Thanks for the stream and thanks to the competitors.
Most amazing evo of all evaaaar lol. I don't think there's ever been this many upsets. Daigo, the greatest SF player of all time finally dethroned first by the Korean beast Poongko, and then the Saudi Arabian prince Latif, only to see Fuudo beast on both of them.
Amazing top 8. I could barely breathe for the last half an hour.
@925
Except Daigo doesn't play for honor, and nor do most of the top contestants globally. He isn't avoiding hard work either, his diligence in mastering Yun is quite distinct from other Yuns and in many ways Daigo made Yun the unstoppable broken machine he is now. Is he still playing a top-tier character? Yes, but please show me someone that can get into the top ranks of a tournament like Evo with a top-tier character and no "hard work" as you call it.
And for the record I was rooting for Poongko / Latif, and hate watching Yuns as well. Just thought I'd let you know how silly and biased you sound.
Man I knew Latif was going to pull some upsets. That was AWESOME. I really wished Poongko didn't try to style and win against Latif. It would've been sick to see PoongKo body Fuudo
I've been saying for a long ass time now, that LATIF has the best VIPER in the world!!! Now do you agree??!! lol
Dang, Latif did terrific and all, but that ending was pretty anticlimactic. Wish it could've been Poongko spicing things up or Daigo defending his EVO three-peat.
I'm surprised so many people don't know Fuudo, I knew from the beginning he was the trump card. Him and Latif. Fuudo way back then in Vanilla SF4 was on par with Daigo in terms of Ryu. He actually BEAT Daigo in a Ryu mirror in a European singles tournament also.
Check your facts guys, this guy didn't come out of nowhere, you just don't know him.
Ehhh this years grandfinals were boring " IN MY OPINION " ( not a fact people). Daigo got beat and i respect that but come on, how is it that latif beats him and then loses all so easily to fuudo?! wow comeon couldve been better then that. least last years wasnt a complete blow out.
Also for all the Yun haters/people with all the crying and everything else towards him and yang guess what?! only 5 yuns in the entire top 32 run! wow surprising huh? In case you didnt know, Yun didnt even win the damn tourney feilong did! so stop all the stupid complaining and just play against him and you "can" win. hell people were supposedly giving Poongko advice on how to fight yun and such.
Congrats to Fuudo even though latif was dissappointing in the end.
SO happy for Fuddo! He's adorable haha! All the top 8 have to be commended, what an amazing year!
@logic_boi you COMPLETELY missed what James Chen was saying, he was saying the opposite, he was claiming that he was sure that a lot of people would be thinking in that manner, that if Latif beat Tokido, Daigo and Poongko, he could surely beat the lesser known Fuudo... But he was not saying that himself.
Loved the ending and the emotion in the crowd and on stage. It was almost better to watch than the fights themselves.
Love the upsets, too. I think Latif is a very emotion-based player and he was riding a wave of adrenaline at the end and his opponent exploited that.
Poonkgo had something to prove with his cocky attitude. I think he has proven it. I think a lot of people didn't have counter-strategies to what his Seth could do and it will be interesting to see if he gets as far next year.
Daigo, I felt like he wasn't even present, rather it felt like it was just Yun I was watching. Maybe the beast will show up next year?
The spirit of Bruce Lee lives on!!!
He crushed the whore of corporate America (C.Viper) and he worked his way through the ruthless CEO of corporate America (Seth).
Latif just never recovered from the first encounter... Why did he go for ultra gave him all that meter :-/
That was so hype my voice still hurts, Grats to Fuudo and Latif for taking out 3 killers and for Poongko because that man is full of hype.... time to down a full redbull!
Also to kindevu for sharing cookies with the crowd = GDLK
Wow, I remember Fuudo blowing it up with Ryu at the TRF's in vanilla. He played even with Daigo's Ryu at that time and nw he wins Evo with Feilong. Amazing.
I really wish I could have watched the MvC3 tourney end too, but life interrupted my viewing pleasure. :-(
ANYWAY, that was INSANE. By the end I didn't know who I wanted to root for. So much love and respect for all the players. Really wanted to see Wolfkrone or Poongko go the distance over anyone else, but I really enjoyed Latif's play as well, and Fuudo impressed the hell out of me (never followed Virtua Fighter so I had no idea of his pedigree).
Even Kindevu grew on me, lol.
I was extremely impressed overall with this weekend, although I'm still mad I missed a lot of the MvC3 matches.
;p
This inspired me to really get into fighters more and start going to these events. I miss being a part of the tourney scene (used to during Tekken 5). Just incredible stuff, I could rant about it for days.
@930
Shut your f-ckin mouth you nationalistic scrub-sh-t.
If Capcom's going to be balancing SSF4-AE, they're going to balance things across the board. Not just make all the American characters be top-tier and make all the non-American characters be crap tier.
That's why I hope that they ignore scrubs like you. The top Japanese pros have been saying that both Seth and C.Viper are very bad match-ups for Yun to fight against. And this tournament supports their assertion.
As much as Daigo is a great player, his statement about a sponsored player must never be beaten by an unsponsored player just backfired on him... Badly. Still, gotta give him credit for at least being top 4.
I'm so happy Fuudo won. All the sponsored players got some help to get there, but Fuudo along with his friends Shiro and Shungoku had to cover their own expenses.
Someone should seriously sponsor Fuudo. Amazing player since vanilla(Ryu) and so humble too!
The trouble with rebalancing is when they go by what is currently known about the characters. A character's strength and a character's KNOWN strength are two different things. The accepted truths about certain characters one year may not hold the next year, and if you get hit with a heavy handed rebalance it can cause some upsets to that.
I find it really hypocritically that SOOO many American players are giving single-sided criticism about this whole balance issue.
Daigo using Yun beat Tokido really badly and people are crying that "Yoon is OP, pleeze n3rf him" and saying that the Akuma-Yun match up is heavily in Yun's favor.
But when Poongko's Seth mauled Daigo, most of the American players say: "This doesn't prove anything, the match up is still very much in Yun's favor."
Right now in SSF4-AE, Yun has many match ups in his favor but he also has many match ups AGAINST his favor. For example: Zangief, Hawk, Viper, Seth, and Ryu are all characters who are bad match ups for Yun.
If Capcom's going to re-balance Yun, then they should make it so that he doesn't dominate certain characters so hard; but at the same time, they should also give him something back so that he'll be better suited to fight the characters who are bad match ups for him right now in SSF4-AE.
#958
people not just complain about yun and yang. Most players consider Fei Long as the best character in the game.
#928 you have got to be the biggest weaboo on this site. first you say that the only reason why people hate yun is because he has "Asiatic eyes" and now you are spreading this bs that daigo was "screwed" because people gave him advice. *Newsflash* that happens all the time. it's not cheap that you know your opponent. but i guess when you are a online play only scrub like yourself who jumps into sonic hurricanes you can't understand that.
Poongko mindf*cked Daigo so bad in their set. Daigo has probably never run into a Seth as strong as his. So willing to say "f*ck it" and just throw out a move and hope for the best.
Whereas Poongko was just like "Another Yun? Okay."
Daigo used a good character but he wasn't the better player today. Way too many mistakes. Execution was sloppy and wake up DP's galore.
MVP was Latif. Runner up definitely Poongko. They both took part in eliminating the biggest hurdles of the tournament.
@ caruga - I agree and that's why despite Yun's OP status (and I guess Fei), I really wasn't all for a re-balance, at least not yet. and to be honest, after watching the matches it didn't really seem like he was completely unstoppable... it just took more match-up knowledge than most people have.
2-3 months into the game is just too soon, and personally, I think a lot of people are going to get more than what they bargained for (i.e., unnecessary nerfs).
Viper need a nerf in his ultra 1 after a combo , the damage is ridiculous , free ultra ...
@974
I'm also extremely happy that Fuudo took it. But the bad thing for me was that I couldn't openly cheer for Fuudo in the place I was at while watching the stream.
I was in a California, computer cafe while the grand finals were going down, and EVERYONE ELSE there wanted Latif to win. The same scrubs in that computer cafe who so wanted Latif to win were also a bunch of Poongko d1ckriders. You should've seen there faces when Poongko lost to Fuudo.
But what really confused me about those scrubby, hald-a$$ Poongko d1ckriders was that they were flipping tables when Fuudo sent Poongko to losers, but they weren't nearly as mad when Latif actually eliminated Poongko from the tournament. And when Fuudo was up against Latif, those Poongko d1ckriders were actually cheering for Latif (The very same guy who knocked Poongko out of the tournament).
I'm not really sure why those Poongko d1ckriders were so much against Fuudo. Is it because Latif represents the US someone? I thought he was from Saudi Arabia, is he not?
I just enjoyed that at least a Korean and an American (for right now) stopped the 3-peat.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about daigo when his character was destroyed, and made to be completely uncompetitive. Fei long is top tier 2nd best in the game, yet fuudo is not getting any slack? hmm.
Best evo ever by far. Ending was a bit disappointing, but latifs luck ran out after defeating all those monsters. Hmm what happened to the french big mouths like alioune and starnab?
I don't really like mvc3 but I enoyed watching the finals, lots of great entertainment this weekend, best tournament in the world.
@983
Wrong. Japanese players have been saying that Seth and Viper have FAVORABLE match up against Yun. At least 6-4 in favor of Seth/Viper when playing agaisnt Yun.
Man, Daigo was a shell of his normal self this tourny. He dropped more soap than a jailbird and generally took stupid risks with multiple command grab attempts.
As for Poongko specifically - he was at the top of his game and was truly bested as such. Although he may have survived longer if he didn't try so hard to style (I know he lost at least a couple of rounds due to this).
Also, mad shoutouts to Fuudo. The dude's like an adorable kid; gotta' admire when the quiet guy no one considered (despite his experienced background) wins.
Lol, he was extremely bashful - he looked scared to hold up the trophy!
Can't hate on that guy.
Here is my opinion:
MvC3 Grand Finals: It was hype and it was very entertaining. But PR Rog didn't know how to counter the Haggar assist. I know that a lot of people were focusing on Phoenix the whole time but what really took PR Rog down was the Haggar assist and Viscant's versatile Wesker. Rewatch the stream and you'd know what I'm talking about. No matter what haters say, I think Viscant deserved it.
Mortal Kombat: I think that the last match was very disappointing. REO choosing Cyrax at the last moment was a sign of desperation; I knew he lost then. Perfect Legend was on point so props to him for taking the tournament.
SSFIV AE: A lot of haters are upset that Fuudo took the whole tournament but he really is a talented player. He was very solid back in vanilla so I wasn't surprised at all. Though, his match with Poongko was based somewhat on luck; with the random ultras. But, luck and risk is part of the game so he overall did outplayed everyone. Latif was a bit disappointing in grand finals just because he seemed desperate in taking wins; it really messed up his game play. Daigo was definitely not in the zone. Or maybe, Poongko shook him a little too hard; definitely one of the highlights of EVO 2k11.
Overall, it was great. Can't wait for next year.
@993
WRONG!!!
Most people there were White. By White, I mean White-Europeans. It was around 55% - 60% White and around 20% African Americans and another 20% Latinos. Not a single Asian person in that cafe. LOL.
@#988
Yeah for real! Kindevu seems hilarious and Poongko was going nuts. :D
@991
So Latif does represent the US. No wonder all those Poognko dickriders were hating on Fuudo and cheering for Latif even when Latif was the one who ultimately knocked Fuudo out of the tournament.
@979: Yun is easier to pick up than Fei so that's why he draws more attention. You see all these Yuns who aren't even Yun mainers, and that's what gets boring to see. You can see it in competition; they'll use him as a counter-pick even if they seldom play him and it often works in their favour. You don't see them doing it with Fei nearly as much.
I do wonder why Viper doesn't draw attention. After losing Godsgarden online Daigo called it by saying she was among the strongest in Super. She was the most prolific character in the top 8 today, so perhaps he was onto something.
@984: Yeah, Daigo tried to bring Poonkgo's own trick to him and Poongko obviously saw it coming a mile away. I'll say it again: noone knew the Seth matchup as Poongko plays it. When you don't know the matchup you've only got your quick-thinking to develop a strategy and save you.
I remember when viper was supposed to be low tier. This just shows that sf4 didnt stew long enough and that ALOT of the nerfs/buffs came to early in the games life(ie sf4).
Hopefully with the balance patch they really consider tournament results aswell as player feedback(i mean tournament lvl player feedback, not random internet people) .
@#998
I agree with most of what you said, but Fuudo didn't do random ultras on Poongko. He obviously punished the blocked shoryu and later read his backdash in the corner.
(I don't remember him landing any other ultras on him)
uuh he knocked Poongko out not even half an hour and you already forget :/. Most were cheering to play spoiler to Daigo, Fuudo came out of left field.
I can't even describe how much fun/hype Evo had this year. I think it'll take a while for the stream peaking at 80,000 to hit me, that number is just insane. this has to be the best community out there, and the best part about it is that it only gets bigger and better from here.
long live the FGC.
Naw Fuudo plays super intelligent he picked his spots very careful which is how he got all his punishes against Poongko & Latif. He isn't like Mago who is all rushdown, Fuudo plays the counter-type.
wow i watched the WHOLE thing...all 3 days
and i'm exhausted, this was one of the best, if not the best EVO til now...and i really wanna say this,
every 1st place that was made, every award that was given out was EARNED and those people deserve it!!
you can hate on yun or fei, or now even viper, and you can hate on players themselves but at the end of the day this was just pure HYPE and entertaining as hell.
thx 2 everybody that provided us with this killer stream, Sp00ky i'm lookin at you and the rest of the crew.
and one more thing,
i think EVO2k12 will be on another level, hard 2 imagine but just look at what's coming, AE rebalancing (hopefully they find the "perfect" balance between super and AE) meaning the balance supa had, but the rushdown and fast feel to it like AE, UMvC3 also i hope they make this HYPE, crazy x-factor and phoenix combacks are not that hype i wanna see REAL comebacks in UMvC3, SF3 OE i hope this game gets revived!!!...TTT2 just looks awesome and will be at EVO2k12 for sure....SFxTK!!
damn i'm still hyped need to calm down again, smoke a shisha and repeat Daigo vs. Poongko in my head until i pass out.
PEACE
@fireinthehole so when AMERICANS cheer for other AMERICANS it's not okay but when you d-ckride japanese player it is? okay weaboo. smh
@1003
"I do wonder why Viper doesn't draw attention. After losing Godsgarden online Daigo called it by saying she was among the strongest in Super. She was the most prolific character in the top 8 today, so perhaps he was onto something"
curaga, I know what I'm about to say might sound a little offensive and I apologize if it does. But the answer to that question is because there's definitely HUGE nationalistic bias amongst many of the players of the SF-community. You have to a dimbo to think that nationalism has "no effect" on these matters at hand.
Fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of cry-babies whining about Yun are in fact American players. These American players do not sit well with the prospect of a Chinese skater boy being top-tier.
But what is C.Viper? Her character represents the Whore of corporate America. Most of these American crybabies don't like to criticize the American characters as being OP, even if those characters are really OP.
I've talked about this issue before in other threads about how there will be American players who will openly tell you to STFU if you dare trying to say that the SSF4 verison of Guile was OP, which he was. Now take a look at Guile's character. What is he? An American soldier; and obviously, these nationalistic Americans do not sit well with criticizing a character whose an American soldier.
if you guys wanna see daigo vs poongko match watch it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMna2D...
Props to Fuudo for the win. Actually Fuudo coming out of left field as much as you think, the guy is a good player. I had my eye on him since I heard he was entering evo and playing sf. That guy is a Virtua Fighter champ and VF is a game you really have to play smart in and execute well. Street Fighter is actually a step down in terms of how he plays. So I knew he would do well but didn't think he would win the entire thing. I'm glad he did though, mixes it up a bit.
The talent was very deep for SSF4 AE this year I had a feeling we were not going to see the players that we thought we were going to see in the top 8. I wasn't surprised that Daigo didn't win AE, but was surprised that Justin didn't win MVC3 as the talent in the game is still relatively new. Though I do understand MVC3 can be random at times and luck is more of a factor due to the huge amount of damage any characters can dish out. Justin not winning MVC3 was a bigger upset in my eyes as he solely trained mostly for that game as he was not that confident in his AE game. Justin was missing that confident factor this year, practically giving up on AE as he admitted he didn't feel that he could even take on Air. Since there was more talent coming to EVO this year I can understand that he wasn't going to be as confident and just sticking to train at MVC3 where he was the favourite to win but, still missing that factor where he can take on anyone.
1012 wow really... just *sigh*
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@1011
Pffft. Get a hold of yourself kid.
I never said that it was "not OK" for Americans to cheer on other Americans. What I was saying was that all that was happening should prove beyond a reasonable dobt that most American players are heavily biased and such. And matter of fact, most American players are extremely biased.
Most American players are full-heartedly biased in that they want the American players to win. Anyone who states the contrary should be rightfully called out as being a certified dumba$$.
Just read through some of the comment in this thread and it should be easy for even a 3rd grader to see that most American players are biased in terms of who they root for.
This nationalistic bias also extends to the issue of which characters most American players want as top-tier, and which characters most American players do not want as top-tier.
To most that didn't know or follow the rest of the Japanese scene yes. He did sound familiar I was wondering if he was the #2 or 3 Fei in the AE rankings.
AE grand finals was a bit boring. Latif is great but I think Poongko would have won if he managed to get up there.
Not taking anything away from Fuudo and Latif but Poongko outplayed them both in their matches. Just Seth's health is so pathetic.
Good show, top 3 diff countries and characters. USA didnt get rolled over like lots thought. Not to mention sweeping MvC3.
#1012 once again spreading bs. if you look at numerous tier lists they have honda as being the best in super. let me repeat that, E. Honda was considered to be the best in super. the main people in the beginning that complained about yun being op were JAPANESE players. americans didn't have the game yet when we heard from japan that yun was overpowered. poonko has stated numerous times that koreans hate yun and most refuse to pick him because of how bs he is. you are calling people nationalistic when you will support any japanese player no matter who it is despite living in america. sf is a game and has nothing to do with our sh-tty imperialistic government. people play games to get away from problems in the world not have dumb-sses like you bring racial bias into an area where there is none. f-cking weaboo.
I wonder how VIscant will do in Ultimate. Half of what made his wesker so strong is that ppl were using snapbacks to get Phoenix in to kill her, instead of using the bar on Wesker. When both those characters get nerfed how will he react? Man I cant wait till Ultimate.
As far as A.E Great tourney. I Personally hate vipers (burn kick after burn kick annoy me, though I realize how high execution the character takes) so Im glad a more traditional character( Fei) won. That said I was hoping Poongko, Flash (man he got screwed in the brackets lol.. I know he plays Viper, I like his Gief) or Tokido would of won. and I wouldnt mind of Daigo won. I hope the balance makes Ryu (and other zoner/ pokers )more viable ( I dont play Ryu btw) so Daigo uses him again, and switches to yun just for the sim matchup. Yuns are just boring to watch I guess.
Great tourney overall
Daigo should have had won:(
@1023 Japanese, Duuuh. He was the second best Ryu player in Vanilla and defeated Daigo in a mirror match in the Cannes World Finals.
@Grimmjoww316: Fuudo is indeed #2 Fei Long in terms of BP after Mago. He was the #2 Ryu in Vanilla after Daigo. It's great to see the eternal #2 finally taking the throne. I certainly wanna see more of Fuudo in this tournament season. He's been the only player who's read Poongko's randomness and mixups most of the time and punished him heavily for it.
@#1028: Fuudo is Japanese.
@1019
"Just read through some of the comment in this thread and it should be easy for even a 3rd grader to see that most American players are biased in terms of who they root for."
I'm sorry. I must have missed the function that allows users to see the nationality of every poster in this thread. I mean, how else could you make such a stupid generalization?
@fireinthehole posts
troll or not, speaking facts or not... you sir are THE KING of thread derailment. Just about everytime you post in one of these articles, a battle stir. i have to applaud you for doing it so consistently.
@tournament results
Wasnt fuudo the fei long behind mago in ssf4AE before the consoles? Either way he deserved that win, patience breeds discipline and it shows. Poongko,daigo, latif, all got pretty antsy which caused them to lose there respected matches. Daigo was too ballsy on wake ups, poongko gambled too much, latif egging on ex seimos too much.
@#1021
Seth's health wasnt at fault for his loses, he was gambling at times were he could had just waited for the right moment as fuudo was doing and react accordingly.
@#1025
You forgot about mentioning haggar, which is THE main thing that was making his team deadly. The hard knockdown lariat gives his wesker all the opportunity in the world to do a full combo. Stopped his team from getting rushed hard so he can do what he need done on defense or offense. SO in essence viscant whole team got nerfed as haggar assist is losing its main perk when interacting with wesker easy gun otg.
@1036 And once again Gief is made look bad :( I know Akuma's a bad match up.
@ 1021: If Seth had MORE health he'd be OP for sure. The boost he got in AE is enough to make him a monster character. Poongko lost it because he styled a bit too much. Had he toned it down I bet he'd have been the winner or #2.
But that ain't Poongko. He styles and wins nine times out of ten doing so. It's what makes him pretty fun to watch. He just goes at 150mph and if you ain't ready you're gonna get destroyed.
Even Daigo wasn't strong enough to withstand his assault. Pretty incredible showing by Poongko. Latif also blew peoples minds. I mean I definitely considered him the #1 US Viper, but he maybe the #1 Viper in the world. He has some flaws, but he's very clutch and his execution is sick.
#1037:
The winner of EVO. The player that beat:
Wolfkrone: 2-0
Poongko: 2-0
Latif: 5-1
Xian: 2-1
Leslie: 2-0
Among others.
#1036 True. I dont think it was the main reason though. No phoenix, ppl kill wesker off. Most ppl got least one snap on him. Good point though. Either way Viscants f@#$ed
@1019
(Sorry if my english is no the best)
Man I thing to evaluate youre theory, or at least listen to this. A character doesnt become top tier just because of its nationality, its more about an equilibrium between the execution difficulty, and the reward for it! Although the mixup possibilities, the damage inflicted, the options given on reaction and the punish movements.
I know americans are moved by their patriotism in so many ways (im Mexican), but implyin that theres some kind of subconscious force that guides their criticism and decides whos is op tier, its very hard. I dont think this community as so close minded one.
Maybe theyre just coincidences, if not check out MVC3, Phoenix doesnt have a nationality, Sentinel its not even human.
The thing about C.Viper is that, she has lot of moves, amazing wake up games and range, but has a very hard execution and inflicts low damage. Latif played really godlike in there, because if im not wrong, Fei is a very very difficult matchup.
Thats when Im coming with my proposal to the community, lets make SFIV a 2v2 game. Maybe its s t u pid but that eliminates the matchup factor.
WOOOT!!! FUUDO!!! that match with latif was so one-sided. Japan takes the trophy once again It was a very nice SSF4 AE tournement the players who won and lost deserved their place Maybe next year's Evo 2012 SSF4 AE Tournement will be even better with brand new Players and Veterans from the previous years.
Latif did extremely well against the three Japan monsters. It just proves Yun is not too OP'ed like everyone else is crying about. I always opposed the fact Yun was OP and it's not impossible to fight against. I've played many good and even great Yuns online and never have I gotten destroyed by any of them. Anyway, great Evo this year. It's apparent that it's not jwong and daigo's show anymore.
To me Tokido is the most consistent player, you can even say best fighting game player overall. There's so much talent now that it's really going to be hard for anyone to dominate now. Probably only game we are going to see dominated by the same players over and over is probably 3rd Strike. I really don't see many new players sticking around that game for long as it makes me kind of sad. I've introduced the game to several of my new SSF4 AE friends and they just hate 3S. Hopefully we'll see the 3rd Strike scene blossom like the SSF4 scene.
@ RandomJohn - that's what I liked about it the most. I wasn't sure who was going to make it. And I'm actually a fan of Daigo, but to be honest I was glad to see him eliminated only because it meant that no matter what, someone new was going to step up this year.
@#1038
lol as always grapplers start strong, then the notches get cranked down alot as people learn the match up and dont panic. While grabs can be highly threatening, a whiffed one can backfire worst as everyone has an easy punish that does more damage than what the grab would have done.
People say well he can mash 360s during block strings, well them same block strings can be ended on purpose as a bait and punish accordingly... and if they dont mash out 360s the real threat isnt there and the pressure continues. either way it puts more strain on the grapplers higher up the mindgames get which people overlook imo.
@#1042
Viscant admitted to having poor reflexes, or so it was told on stream. So having that haggar assist is that much more important imo when it comes to hit confirming and dealing with mix ups as haggar can cover both. While not taking away how important the other 2 characters are. So if that is true about him having poor reflexes it explains alot of his gaps when his phoenix gets tagged in or wolverines in his sh1t he loses composure without assist help.
Evo Redemption Suite is going down now! http://www.twitch.tv/offcast
The one thing I learned from this EVO is that Justin Wong will win every Marvel tournament once Ultimate comes out. Cause Phoenix will be nerfed and Justin's kryptonite will be gone.
@1046 wait what you just contradicted yourself lol
in any case, if anything was shown it was that yun is extremely powerful
did you see the daigo vs tokido match, if you even blinked you woulda missed tokido getting absolutely bodied
i dunno about op but he definitely needs some things tweaked if he's making really great players look absolutely free
@958
Many of the top Japanese pros have said that the Viper vs Yun matchup is at least 6-4 in favor of Viper. So many players are ingrained with the notion that "Yun is OP" that they are unable to take listen to others. They ignore all the Japanese who say that Viper has a favorable match up against Yun and keep peddling the "Yun is OP" line.
Viper vs Fei-Long is more like a 5-5 match up which was why Latif lost it to Fuudo.
@1018
Grimmjow316, yes really. Just go back and read comments #: 144, 150, 375, 376, 377, 715, 865, 869, 871, 896, 1011, etc…
The contents of those comments clearly show that many American players have a strong nationalist bias when it comes to which pros they want to win and which pros they want to lose. You have to be a certified moron to not realize that many American players are extremely biased in wanting the American pros to win.
Some people think that this strong nationalistic bias just stops there, and that this bias does not leak into the issue of which SF characters they want to see as top-tier and which SF characters they do not want to see as top tier. But I completely disagree with that notion.
I think that this issue of nationalistic bias does extend into the issue of what characters they would like to have as top tier and which characters they do not want as top tier. This goes especially true when they same people who are so passionate about cheering on the American players are the same people who cry about AE-Yun being “OP” but will also try to tell other people to STFU when people complain about SSF4-Guile being OP or AE-Viper being OP as well.
uh I root for American players and some from other countries and I main a russian so I just don't understand how nationality works into nerfs/buffs and tiers.
People will almost always root for there home team or the player they find entertaining. Why because it's fun so It's not really something to make a big deal about.
@1056
I want to congratulate you for being a hypocrite and giving a single-sided analysis on this whole balance issue at hand.
When Daigo Yun bodies Tokido, you say "Yoon is OP, pleeze n3rf him" and saying that the Akuma-Yun match up is heavily in Yun's favor.
But when Poongko's Seth mauled Daigo, most of the American players say: "This doesn't prove anything, the match up is still very much in Yun's favor. Poongko raping Daigo does not give any supporting evidence to the Japanese players' claim that Seth vs Yun is heavily in Seth's favor."
Right now in SSF4-AE, Yun has many match ups in his favor but he also has many match ups AGAINST his favor. For example: Zangief, Hawk, Viper, Seth, and Ryu are all characters who are bad match ups for Yun.
If Capcom's going to re-balance Yun, then they should make it so that he doesn't dominate certain characters so hard; but at the same time, they should also give him something back so that he'll be better suited to fight the characters who are bad match ups for him right now in SSF4-AE.
@1036
You're calling me out for "derailing" the thread??? Why don't you go back and read all the comments from the very beginning.
If you do, then you'll see that the first morons to completely derail this thread were the crybaby scrubs whining about Yun.
Matter of fact, if you read through the threads from the past months or so, you'll see that the anti-Yun crybabies were the first morons to derail the threads for for almost all the newsfeeds within the last 4-5 weeks.
Why don't you go tell all those anti-Yun crybabies to STFU and stop derailing threads before you come crying to me. Oh wait, you are one of those anti-Yun crybabies.
I'm sorry, did I offend you when I requested that you tell your own "brothers in arms" to STFU???? Haha, well cry more man.
oh snap Catalyst in the redemption room take a pic man.
Mvc3> AE finals IMO. Although phoenix should get beyond nerd in ultimate. AE was interesting but not as fun as marvel. Daigo not winning took me by surprise I felt like he should stick with ryu he's good with yun but it's just not the same. And he got his a$$ handed to him by poongko period.
Come to think of it. Poongko might have actually taken this tournament home if Daigo had beaten Latif. I know that I'm just speculating, but I'm making my this speculation based off of what many Japanese top players have said about the match ups.
If Daigo beat Latif, then he most likely would have lost to Poongko. Many Japanese have said that Viper vs Yun is 6-4 in favor of Viper, but many of them have also said that Seth vs Yun is like 7-3 in favor of Seth. Yun is dead in the waters as soon as Seth scores a knock down on him. Yun has very poor defense in general, but Yun has literally no safe options against an aggressive Seth player. On top of that, Seth's Shoryuken in AE is super fast and has super high priority which gives Seth is very easy way to knock Yun down.
If Poongko eliminated Daigo from losers, then he would of definitely have had a better chance of beat Fuudo than Latif.
Watching the videos of Fuudo vs Poongko in grand finals, it was apparent that Fuudo won by luck in many instances such as the psychic Ultra to catch Poongko's backdash.
I think it was Mago who said it himself that AE-Seth's super high priority on his Shoryuken is a game changer in many match ups. I mean, just looking at the videos and you can see that Seth's high priority Shoryuken in AE beats out Fei's flamekicks (both normal and EX) even when both players execute their DPs at the exact same time. They don't even trade hits when both DPs are done at the same time, Seth's DP completely beats out Fei's DP.
@fireinthewhole
Lets not play the "if" game. I mean if you want to do that then you could argue that had Fuudo not been able to avoid the multiple occasions (on Friday and Sunday) where he almost lost, then Latif would've won the entire thing.
It happened the way it did and there's no disputing it. Fuudo was decent throughout but then turned it on at the end. It's just how it went.
No excuses necessary, Fuudo was the best player today. If we second guess the results too much I feel that takes away from the event, and all of the people who competed in it, not just Fuudo.
He beat Poongko, and he beat the guy who beat both Poongko, Daigo and Tokido. That should be enough for everybody to acknowledge that he had what it took to win on that particular day.
@1074
Gotcha. Anyways, I was cheering for Fuudo and I'm happy that Latif knocked out Poongko.
@#1064 fireinthehole
You sir are pretty blinded atm. The reason why i called you the king of derailment, like i said in my previous post. Everytime YOU post a battle stirs between you and many of them other eventhubs commentors and now you seemingly try to drag me into it as if im one of them. They are complaining about yun blah blah(game related) then you like to throw in the national/race thing into it(not game related) when starting your arguments. Thus making it a battle between you and them. making you the king of it by going to the next level everytime more so than the complainers. I didnt say they havent derailed it at all, dont put words in my mouth.
And dude i wasnt crying to you first, lol in case you havent read my post i was applauding you due to reasons stated above. And then you go to assume im one of the anti-yun complainers.
Speaking of looking at past posts, im guessing you never caught the few good times where i was trying to tell people he wasnt OP and how to fight him etc in other threads where you posted things on how guile and cammy was more broken than yun, and i was trying to help OTHERS understand YOUR viewpoint on things and vice versa. AKA i was trying to help you out at one point in time yet now you misinterpret my previous post which had NOT ONE mention of yun in it. And calling them my brothers in arms??? damn bro shunning someone that tried to help you in previous threads at times. Something is clearly wrong with you now...
I had a feeling that no one stood a chance against Poongko except Fuudo based on character matchup and playing ability, though Viper's damage output and options on wake-up are outrageous and is why Latf won against Poongko.
Ryu would've been a better matchup against Seth and I'm happy to see them finally play each other no matter how one-sided it was, which I wanted Poongko to win.
I have a a lot of trouble against Feis and think he's probably the best character in the game and why Fuudo won.
I'm very happy with the way the game is now, but can't wait for what the patch is going to bring out of the game! I think Ono is going to be making everyone from Sabin(who has voiced how unhappy he is with the game) to people like me happier.
Fireinthehole is either the biggest troll or completely insane.
@fireinthehole powdered has done nothing but give advice man and he knows more of the game than you and I so it's messed up you going after him because it is pretty true what he said.
I gotta say I was surprised. Everyone was like "Top 8 will be all Fei Long, Yang, Yun." Yet Top 8 was 1 Seth, 1 Fei Long, 1 Zangief, 2 Yuns & 3 C.Viper. I was shocked that no Yang players like Sakonoko or Nemo or even Poongko n' Justin Wong didn't use him/weren't even there at EVO. Also shoutouts to Viscant winning MVC3, mad props on the Cross Counter Guide Marvel 1.0 and Evo dude!
@Me #1085 Forgot to put Akuma in Top 8. Also IMO Daigo should go back to/stick with Ryu. Alex Valle (Ryu) took Daigo (Yun) to Final Game n' Final Round before Daigo sent him to losers, showing Ryu is still strong, and Daigo has ALOT more experience with Ryu then he does with Yun in the SF4 series.
Though seeing Daigo use Evil Ryu would be interesting, wonder what they would nickname him..."Satsui No Hado Daigo or Dark (Hado) Daigo or Evil Daigo..."
Mvc3
Where do I begin. Justin Wong getting perfected and eliminated was crazy. I thought was definitely going to be in the finals. PR Balrog performed miracles especially with Tron. Viscants face was priceless when his Dark Phoenix and Haggar got beaten by Tron. Congrats to Viscant for winning but my favourite player was PR Rog.
SSF4 AE
Grand finals weren't as good as the other matches in top 8. Poongko vs Daigo was complete rape. Latif did the impossible by beating Tokido(best Akuma), Daigo(best Yun) and Poongko(best Seth) on the same stage. Fuudo deserved to win. He hid under the radar for most people, even myself. As soon as S-Kill mentioned that he played Virtua Fighter, I knew Fuudo was no joke.
I think USA have the best Viper players at the moment (I'm not American). Viper just seems like the American hero right now as the Japanese don't have a solid answer for her. Fei Long is with out a doubt the best character in the game to me. Yun, like Daigo was overestimated IMO.
@1087
A huge +1 for you, sir. I've mentioned before everytime this forum is led into a 'fsck Yun' discussion, the character may appear OP, even broken at a glance, but we can't ever forget that Yun is a glass cannon.
Just like Seth, he can sometimes look invincible in the hands of a good player making good reads, but he does not have the resilience necessary to come back from any mistakes. In a long enough tournament, even the best players are bound to make a misread or two, and that's exactly what happened to Poongko and Daigo, both of whom were playing glass cannons.
Fei has the tools to deal with everything, and he has the hitpoints to give you a second chance should you make a bad read.
Oh, and VF players FTW! THE best fighting game available.
i LOVE the fact that Justin Frog lost to a PERFECT! I HATE that loser
Imagine after the patch the finals for next year will be...
Hakan Vs. El Fuerte
What an amazing event!!! Congrats to Fuudo...he is such a clever player. Baiting the hell out of Poongko...all the whiffed uppcuts > Ultra - wow. And he absolutely dominated
Latif in the finals. And FINALLY a FeiLong that uses Ultra2.
Daigo vs. Poongko match was defintely a highlight...Poongko is an unrespectful p**ck...but his Seth is just AMAZING!
To all the people saying "OMG HE PERFECTED DAIGO!!!"...you guys are idiots and don't understand Seth. What's the deal? He is a destroy-or-get-destroyed character.
It's really strange...people seem to love Poongkos super-cocky attitude...but hate on Fchamp...what's the difference?
Also, props to Tokido...how can you be so good in so many games?
MVP Latif??? What's wrong with you guys? Fuudo won Evo, kinda exposed Poongko and Latif.
Lol @ SRk for making Fuudo a "Unranked strong player" and not a "Killer"...but putting ChocoBlanka into "Killers"...
@crispylinks77 "I think Poongko would have won if he managed to get up there."??? Poongko lost to both Latif and Fuudo...so...I DON'T THINK SO! XD
So many good matches this year. Favorite was the DR RAY v Mike Ross, and I loved the Wong comeback. Very exciting.
@ 1098
C'mon...Poongko is know for being a cocky bastard:
@rettaka
Latif eliminated Daigo AND sent Poongko to #3, that's why ppl call him MVP I think
Also I'm glad no yuns made top 3 although S class and A class did, poongko's Seth was great though the only non S/A class character in top 3 by "the machine" all B and below characters were destroyed sad really but a good show overall
Big ups to Latif! I didn't know he was from Tucson (they only said Arizona on the stream). Way to represent T-Town, beating both Daigo and Tokido.
Great tournament. Fuudo really earned the championship with play that consistently figured out and adjusted to his opponents. He never mentally gave up on a round no matter how bad the situation looked. While Latif had many impressive comebacks as well, he cracked at the end, ran away and cornered himself, and it was over.
Poongko came prepared with a kind of blitzkrieg that was exciting to watch, but I think close observation of it through to the final matches started to show the vulnerabilities. But he definitely kept it entertaining and will always be a threat in any tournament.
Seth Killian's commentary elevates Street Fighter competition. I see them battling it out in Vegas with that big crowd, major money on the line, and hearing Seth's professional analysis just cements the feeling that this sport has arrived.
EVO 2011 sad moment: I was bummed that Mike Ross didn't make more of an impact.
EVO 2011 favorite moment: Ono's speech/apology/promise. It's just what I wanted to hear.
Congratulations to all competitors
Couple of thoughts:
1) Have we seen the end of Justin's dominance? I would like to see him concentrate on one game and completely nail it. Seemed that he lost his way on SF, can't believe how he went out against Viscant in MvC3 and didn't make top 16 in MK9. His presence brings a lot of hype (both positive and negative).
2) Would have loved to see Daigo run back Ryu one more time against Viper. I think that would have mindf*ckd Latif. I've never seen so many whiffed up kicks from him. He got baited like 5 or 6 times. Seemed like Poongko's domination spooked him and threw him off-track.
3) HUGE shoutouts to Spooky and IPW - near perfect stream for the whole weekend. When nothing goes wrong the streamers fly under the radar, they only get called out when stuff goes down. Thanks for a great job - 80K+ viewers at the peak and not a hiccup. PROPS!
@1107: I don't think picking Ryu would've made much of a difference against Latif. From what we hear, he hasn't so much as TOUCHED Ryu competitively since he started maining Yun. The Dragon Kick whiffing we saw from him was clear evidence of loss of fundamentals. He did it against Poongko, he did it in the Kindevu mirror match (both of them did, actually), and he did it the last round against Latif where Latif started doing his BKs from much higher in order to catch the hittable area of the Dragon Kicks.
Worst part is that he wasn't throwing out those sad reversals because he was scared; he was expecting Yun to be able to do it for free and not get punished, and when people found ways around it, he had nothing to fall back on since relying on Yun's advantages wasn't cutting it anymore.
Daigo needs to go back to Ryu. Maybe it'll help him find himself again and remember that Street Fighter is about more than just dive kick blockstrings and relying on one character's crazy frame advantage.
REAL TALK
@1093 Seems like someone is butthurt about Daigo losing. And as far as FChamp go, yes he is good, but tends to have a overdose of sodium, because he gets a little too salty.
Anyway, EVO was great!! Some real intense things happened there and I'm sure many didn't expect Fuudo to win, whom I honestly had never heard about till now, but congrats to him and Latif. Everyone did great and they proved why there were top 8. Poongko was very enjoyable to watch as well, with trolling and his amazing Seth. Daigo 4th place?!? Didn't see that coming at all, but it's good for someone else to take the crown.
@1110
Good points, all. I would also like to see Daigo switch characters, but go to either E.Ryu, Oni or Gouken. Absolute best would be to see him master Gen, but that isn't happening in a million years.
Btw, I thought Uryo was going to be at EVO? Really wanted to see that Sakura make people look silly.
@1076
That comment is spot on. It's the very reason for why so many Japanese players say that Fei Long is the #1 character in AE.
Yun does have more favorable match ups than Fei, but Yun also has more bad match ups than Fei does. According to many Japanese, the only possible bad match up for Fei is Seth. Due to the fact that Seth's insanely high priority on his shoryuken is a game changer since it beats out all of Fei's defensive options. Seth's normal SRK completely beats out Fei's EX-Flamekick even when both players execute their moves at the same time.
Yun on the other had has many more bad match ups: Zangief, Hawk, Viper, Rufus, Seth, and Ryu are all considered to be bad match ups against Yun. Bad meaning they're at least 6-4 against Yun. Matter of fact, Seth vs Yun looks like it may even be as steep as 7-3 in Seth's favor since Yun has practically no good options to escape from the vortex game of an aggressive Seth.
@ HypahVypah
Yun's DP can easily be punished if it misses so I don't think that's considered an "advantage" at all. I think Daigo was anticipating a jump or aerial attack. Either that or he was hoping auto-correct catches the opponent. Daigo relied on auto-correct a lot in his matches with Latif. But with Viper's weird hitboxes and Latif constantly doing air flame kicks Daigo's DPs mostly misses. I think the reason why Daigo was doing so many DPs is because his matches with Poongko and Latif were very offensive heavy. Latif and Poongko didn't give Daigo any room to breath and play footsies. I guess Daigo thought that since they were so reckless he could get away with DPs. I remembered back
@1088
"Just like Seth, he can sometimes look invincible in the hands of a good player making good reads, but he does not have the resilience necessary to come back from any mistakes. In a long enough tournament, even the best players are bound to make a misread or two, and that's exactly what happened to Poongko and Daigo, both of whom were playing glass cannons."
I agree with many of the points made here. I think it's too early to say that Seth is top tier as of now, but what we can say is that he does in fact have a favorable match up against Yun. Though that in itself does not make him top tier.
But the thing I am 50-50 on is that Seth doesn't have comeback potential. Seth's comeback potential varies against different characters. Seth's comeback potential is not that great when playing against Viper or Fei Long, but Seth's comeback potential is really high against Yun. Seth's insanely good offensive options compounded with Yun's poor defensive options makes so that Yun is basically done if he gets knocked down by an aggressive Seth.
Seth's SRK gives him a very good way to knock down Yun. His SRK comes out fast as hell with very high priority, but that's not the only reason why Seth's SRK is such a good tool to score a knockdown on Yun. If Yun blocks Seth's DP, then Seth can FADC out and SPD Yun. And the SPD is another way to knock Yun down and trap Yun in his vortex, which Yun has practically no good ways to escape from.
In my honest opinion, Latif is this years EVO champion. Who took out 3 known players in a row; Tokido, Poongko, and Daigo. Not taking anything from Fuudo, but I doubt he could've done so. Tokido would've given Fei Long a lot of trouble, Yun as well, and Poongko lost for 2 main reasons; Seths health, and he took too many chances. This EVO was crazy.
@1117
"Poongko lost for 2 main reasons; Seths health, and he took too many chances."
You can also apply the exact same argument for why Tokido and Daigo lost to Latif as well.
I live in Las Vegas. I snuck out of work early on Friday, and headed over to the Rio.
I was thunderstruck by all the horrible nerds.
Issues:
1) Hygiene. I realize many of you don't leave your homes very often, but showering and wearing clean clothes is essential when you will be huddled with many other people watching a match on a small TV. I can't tell you how many times I had to move around in the crowds because of some tub of goo who smelled liked BO, or who hadn't washed his hair in days.
2) CosPlay/Dressing up as characters. This is not comicon. There's no need to dress up as Vegas/Sonya Blade/etc.
3) Bizarre skanky girlfriends. I don't know if most of these "women" were paid, or if they actually found the long-haired nerds that they were with attractive, but there's no real need to bring in chubby asian chicks in revealing, tight clothes. If they are your girlfriend, tell them to cover up. If they are "hired help," at least get someone less apalling to look at.
4) Comic Book Guy behavior. There is no need to respond to me with a snooty remark when I ask which players are playing. Simply saying, "that's Daigo" would be a nice way to conduct a conversation. There is no need for snark and sarcasm.
5) Man-Boobs. I won't sit here and say I necessarily hold it against (a very high number of) people who had Moobs at Evo. But don't wear a tight-fighting light-colored T-shirt. Either buy a man bra, or (gasp) purchase clothes that fit you. Also, wash and comb your hair while you're at it.
6) Guy who built a custom PS2/Tv Screen setup who was playing Street Fighter EX by himself the entire time -- maybe play a less crappy game and you will find new friends to play with.
I didn't bother going back on Sunday. I just watched the feeds. I don't understand why (most) of the attendants of EVO can't dress somewhat professionally. What I experienced was *exactly* the situation that most people laugh and sneer at when you try to discuss video gaming in public. You guys are the reason that I have to keep my video gaming a secret.
Meanwhile, with everyone's favorite MvC3 player : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0SvD2...
I'm rewatching the top 8 AE, the emotions still there, unbelievable Evo. Thank you Poongko, Latiff, Tokido and to all the participants to this Evo. Thank you so much.
I'm definitely going next year!
WAR EVO!!!!
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EVO!