We've ran quite a number of stories on change lists in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but Dahbomb on NeoGAF has put together the biggest list of changes I've seen so far for the game. It covers most of the cast and has a really nice breakdown of the balance tweaks Capcom has done.Trish
+ Recovery on air and ground Hopscotches reduced
+ Recovery on air and ground Peakaboo reduced
+ Peakaboo assist comes out faster
+ Low Voltage projectiles have faster start ups
While Trish was considered by many to be a very strong character in MVC3, she was not very popular in tournaments due to dominance of rushdown style of play. With general nerfs to many rushdown characters and style of play, zoning seems to be stronger in UMVC3 And with that Trish appears to be an extremely powerful character in the new meta-game. With buffs to her specials, she should be very close to a dominant character in the game. Expect her to move up a few spots.
Tron Bonne
- Tron Gustaff Fire assist has been nerfed, a bigger hittable box
- Tron's j.H knocks away making it difficult to hit confirm into a combo
+ Trons Bonne Strike has quicker recovery
+ Servebot projectiles come out faster (?)
Some of the most questionable changes in the game regarding nerfs were made to Tron. Already in the Middle tier as far as point ability was concerned, Tron was competitive mostly due to her godly assist. Now it's nerfed and punishable, causing Tron to drop in usability. Much like Haggar, there are no substantial buffs to her point game meaning she has essentially dropped a tier at least. Much like Haggar, most people are a bit disappointed by this unless more info pops up about her point game.
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Hooray for Trish buffs! Less recovery on air traps should make it easier to land certain bnbs online.
I love Tron. This saddens me.
I bet it has something to do with MML3.
It's incredible how CAPCOM is taking the AE approach to balancing a game where the majority of the cast was already in desperate need of BUFFS, not nerfs.
And yet, it's still going to outsell the original, just because Strider is in it.
#4
They're handing out more buffs than nerfs.
The only people that received unnecessary nerfs were Haggar and Tron.
Also, remember that this is all a work in progress, so things are liable to change.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we'll be seeing less of Tron, and I'm also glad Ryu's actually usable now.
But I am a little worried about the characters we haven't heard anything about (like Chun-Li, Spiderman, Jill, Shuma-Gorath, Thor)...
'- Tron's j.H knocks away making it difficult to hit confirm into a combo''
Like it was difficult to block this in the first place...lol. But yea Tron is a great on-point character, and def. needed a lot of nerfs!
Although Im glad her Assist is nerfed though, I hate Jail-free assists that you can just mash during every string. People need to learn to hit and mix an opponent up properly without relying on spamming the Assist button.
Awesome, great big list, thanks for the taking the time :)
Sorry to hear about Tron and Haggar. I do think Tron needs to have more of a game than jumping H. but so far I don't hear anything that gives her more options.
I think Super Skrull, Iron Man, and Cap still need more buffs.
I think Dante might need another nerf or two.
As someone who used Wesker, I understand the health nerf, there was no reason for him to have 1100. 950 is probably closer to where he should be. I dunno if I agree with slowing down his teleports, that's really what his game revolves around, outside the gun.
Can't wait to hear about Dormmamu changes.
What changes did Haggar?
@#6 I hear that. Spider-Man needs some type of buff.
Nothing to report on Spidey, eh?
I personally like that. It'll keep all the Dante and Wesker masses from picking him up and abusing him. I like spidey being kind of difficult to access. He can do over 700,000 damage without help from assists and already has good offensive options, so I don't care if they buff him.
They buffed Hulk's St. H to have an extra point of armor. Now X-23 cant easily get away.
That's right! That huge distance move is even scarier!
#6 & #19
I'm worried about Thor too. I fear that they aren't going to change him at all even though he seriously needs buff to all of his normals.
@Ketchup
Spidey doesn't need an OTG. He can already do an easy to confirm 700,000 by himself with one meter if you know how to Super Jump cancel.
Captain America needs an OTG and there need to be more OTG assists, but not every character who doesn't have one needs one.
Also, I think Arthur is pretty good with those buffs, and I think the guy is crazy calling him one of the worst two characters in Vanilla. There's no way he's really good, but he's at least better than Shuma or Hsien-Ko. All you need for Arthur is to use his amazing assists, then Level 3 X-Factor your way to victory. That health boost is more than enough, now he's an even better anchor.
When people say ONLY that a chacter sucks JUST because of low health like people did for Akuma, Yun, Seth in SF4.
I rolled my eyes so FKING HARD!!!
LOOK AT PHOENIX/DARK PHOENIX!!!
When you have all the tools for every situation to defend and induce tons of damage, YOUR health is irrelevant!
So umvc3 is going to be a zoning/spam war rather than mvc3 rush down in your face? Hmm. guess I'll start to develop a spam team now.
Don't know have I feel about the zoning becoming viable in this just because some people are going to overabuse it but a just another thing to overcome. @26 Can't really agreed with you with you about Arthur being a better archor then Hsien-Ko but thats just me.
They originally intended mvc3 to be more rushdown heavy on purpose.... now they switching it up to be more zone heavy. looking like ssf4AE and Umvc3 switching it up with each other with the updates.
Hulk is looking to have 1 godmode move with nothing else to rely on so far.... would of been great if it was still rushdown heavy game >_<. Capcom basically telling us hulk users to try to get in and mash H EVEN MOAR! Hope his ground gamma charge have some armor on it or safer on block cause cause his mobility is crap. Armored air normal would be nice, give people a reason to fear hulk instead of just looking out for stand H.
@tronne
Shes being treated like el fuerte, nerf limited main tools buff stuff that was weak to a point its still weak.Jump H=U2: harder to connect/gustaf fire=tortilla:lost invincibility/servebot projectile=cr. lp chainability: WEAK MOVES ARE STILL WEAK and underused!
@#26
I wouldnt think arthur was better than Hsien-ko or shuma. Atleast shuma could go nuts with xfactor speed,chaos dimension, and his eye lazer assist. Hsien-ko had the beastly assist which was sought after. No one really picked arthur for his assist cause they arent abusable and trying to play keep away wasnt happening really, so id vote him near bottom along with thor.
@36
You think Shuma and Hsien-Ko are better than Thor too? Are you crazy? All Hsien-Ko has is that assist, and all Shuma has is his assist. If you bring out Arthur with X-Factor, it's pretty much a guarantee that somebody is going to die. And even with that X-Factor speed, good luck getting trying to get Shuma in so that he can do Chaos Dimension in the first place. Top Hsien-Ko and Shuma players agree, they're definitely bottom of the barrel on each side.
@35 who honesly going to let you build up all that meter to perform that? Let alone try to out your Arthur. I just find that that with Hsien-Ko armor with her first assist plus the right overhead (Zero or Ammy) would end the battle quick but thats just me.
@39
Enough meter to perform that... what? That's one bar. One bar. You should have at least one bar. Who is honestly going to let you build up all that meter to give Hsien-Ko her armor? I don't even know what "try to out your Arthur" means, but I'm assuming that problem is eliminated if he's the only character left on the team, hence the Level 3 X-Factor. And your description shows that Hsien-Ko is only good for an assist. Once she's out she's still pretty terrible. Arthur has a less good (but still very good) assist sure, but once he's out there your opponents are screwed.
Haggar's lariat assist got nerfed and is more vulnerable when doing it?
As a proud user of the mayor of earth, I do not like this :(
@#37
fast reply!
Atleast them 2 jokers have an abusable assist, thor doesnt. thor is dirt slow even with level 3 xfactor. Shuma have a easier time getting in than thor would plus force hit stun with his mystic smash into chaos dimension is more likely than the other situation mentioned. What can thor do again that none of the others can really.
Safe to say all mentioned characters above are ass. Atleast Hsien she only has that assist.... atleast she can help out 2 character succeed with the abuse, cant say the same for thor or arthur.
@42
But see, Thor gets in about as easily as Shuma does, and when he does, he can do more damage with one bar of meter than Shuma can do with 3. And Arthur has really good assists, I have no idea what you're talking about. And yeah, Hsien-Ko is just an assist character that costs 1 bar to be useful even as an assist.
@#43
there is a difference between a good assist and a abusable one. Plus like Hsien-ko, arthur would best be in gold armor mode to optimize his assist usage as well. And I would still have to disagree with thor getting in as easily as shuma, mainly cause he has no speed in movement or attacks. He isnt able to stay ontop of an opponent like shuma could.
Btw i never said arthur assist were terrible or anything, just the hsien-ko one is just dirty. And ive seen more hsien-ko abuse running amok than ive seen arthur do anything you mentioned with success.
@44
You absolutely don't need gold armor for Arthur's daggers to zone well. It helps sure, but it's not as dramatic as Hsien-Ko. And Thor doesn't need to be quite as good at getting in as Shuma to still be good, because he doesn't die at the drop of a hat. Plus he has a fly and an 8-way airdash. And the reason you don't see a lot of Arthur is because not many people use Arthur, not because he's not good.
love trish keep away game, been using her since day 1. Glad shes getting some buffs, she really needed them since some of her combos were pretty difficult to connect online. && Wtf on tron, her only use was the gustaff fire and now its nerfed and j.h is basically the only offensive thing she has to start combos. so much megaman hate lately...hope they rethink some of the decisions.
are you guys seriously having a debate about arthur,hsien-ko, and thor. Look everyone is going to have a opinion. Good luck with trying to change someones beliefs.
I'm glad wesker and tron got nerfed like that. If they are going to make wolverine garbage then I hope dante and zero get nerfed just as bad. They are going to make it a spam war then fine. I'm going to pick up all the buffed spam characters.
I don't like any of these nerfs sorry I know I am the only one I think crappy characters should have just got Buffs tron and haggar assists needed to be strong cuz they didn't have much else I think capcom is getting alittle nerf happy I liked the godlike characters like wesker, wolvie, Phoenix, and I didn't use any of them but it was fun to fight them and give yourself satisfaction I think punishing assists is great though so why nerf them seems like everyone had a massive problem with everything in the game like it was horrible or something Mvc 2 storm maneto sentinel one of those 3 I'm sure was in every team game was way broken and I loved it Just being able To take advantage of the wild crazy stuff was half the fun and people that say scrubs win because of the over powered characters are scrubs cuz no scrub is beating a truly skilled player period because of 1 move or an assist but doesn't matter now cuz nerfs all around I am gonna be keeping my vanilla version just so
I can do some of the old tricks that will be gone here and there against friends
@#45
As i said the difference between a good and abusable assist. Stop jumping to extremes in the examples, i said optimize his assist. It would be best to do so but its not need unlike hsien-ko where its generally useless without the armor.
There is no defending thor my dude, if he aint getting in he aint doing anything. Having the 8 way dash and flight looks good on paper doesnt mean that it is. Having all that health means nothing if you cant use it to your advantage and nowadays people tend to have high damage combo to even take out thor with or without xfactor before he can mount an offense.
And i will say again all above mentioned characters are ass,Arthur can gimmick it as an anchor better than the other 3 mentioned. Hsien-ko can abuse assist better than the others. Shuma has a good assist thor is a sponge. Either way saying who trash is shinier doesnt change the fact that it is still trash.
@52
You can abuse Arthur's assist. And if you have the right team built around Thor, he can most definitely mess your day up. And yeah, the 8-way dash is pretty good for Thor, especially with his heavy aerial. And I'd stand by that Arthur is better than all of those characters, since he is a fantastic anchor and has a great assist. But yeah, Thor is definitely better than Shuma and Hsien-Ko, his resets alone make him better than them.
@bluur
If you ask me, Skrull is easily top tier with the massive damage he can pull off. His grabs alone are merit enough to place him in the top 5, which can directly go into 600 + damage combos with a single bar of meter. Needless to say that the grabs go through assists, and in some cases supers.
Its a wonder why no one has used him in tournaments yet, especially with all of these phoenix users running around....
The only nerf Tron needed was the recovery on her drill move, it's so quick and recovers so fast it's impossible to punish.
It also makes it annoying to fight against a spammer because you gotta keep turtling until you catch him off guard or with a mix up.
@#54
think you missed, yet again, what i meant about good and abusable assists. I wasnt going by conventional means, Abusable ones are like haggar, tron,drones, hidden missles, hsien-ko. Things that can get stupidly powerful offensive or defensive generally low risk high reward outcomes. Things like taskmaster arrow shots, dark hole, unibeam, cold star are simply good assists and not really overpowering(cheap). And i would label arthurs as a good assist.
Anyone with the right team build around them can tear it up, not just exclusive to Thor. Thats the thing with this game for now, is everyone is relatively powerful just due to game mechanics. Yea that air dash into H is decent, but it leaves him wide open as it stays out... a gift and a curse. And like Tron having only one good air approach makes you very predictable which is never a good thing seeing how hes limited already. Plus ive gotten better mileage of using non/charged aerial mighty strikes.
Keep saying arthur is better than them, doesnt matter much to me, as i said he can make a good anchor and good assist but hes still trash just like the rest of them.
@#55
Skrull is in the same boat as viper in a way. A high level of precision is needed to be effective or die trying by miscalculating spacing. They both do incredible damage, many tools to use, yet people neglect to use them due to how easy it is to mess up.
I heard Spencer can combo his Bionic Arm five times in a row without X-Factor, and he even builds enough meter doing so to use it a sixth time. Damage for it got increased too.
As someone who mains Wesker, I do understand the health nerf. I also understand the Wolverine nerfs.
However, there are some things that I don't understand. For example, why is it much stricter to do a Demon Flip dive kick OTG combo with Akuma? The Tatsu nerf makes sense, but this doesn't.
I'm not sure the 3 point Super Armor for Hulk was necessary. We're just going to see a lot of casual gamers abuse that move. Maybe they really are heading towards a zoning game.
I would also like to mention that Sentinel's assist is a nerf. When it becomes a true block string, it's much more easier to anticipate on block.
There's no reason Spider-Man should not get some type of buff. Especially if charaters that didn't need them are gtting them. A slight health buff at the least. Or a damage buff. Its Spider-Man for gods sake. If other characters are getting Christmas presents, Peter Parker should get one too. I'm out! *web swing*
Spidey needs a buff? to what? SHUT UP!!!
Have you seen the DOZENS of vids that he can kill Thor with ONE METER ALONE!
I know what you mean by 'buff' you want him EASIER TO USE!!
Any character has that potential. That's not the point, my god slow it down, chief.
@#67 Secondly I don't need MVC to be easier. I practice with Spider-Man almost every day, and I gets mine in. I don't call myself super fly spider guy for no reason...
Spidey should AT LEAST be able to cling to walls. It's SPIDER-MAN!
He should be able to cling to a wall as long as the MODOK can fly.
While on the wall he should be only be able to web-zip up and down (As well as climb-up himself) and be able to shoot a web-ball at various angles.
Dominate, no? It's nice to have more options though. I'm not saying tun him into Dante or Wolverine. But in a whole new game where many other characters are changing I say, why not?
I can see why they highlighted these characters: both have questionable changing, while most of the other cast have gotten rightful nerfs and buffs (excpet Haggar :( )
Trish buffs are gonna make her A tier now, with the higher cast being nerfed.
And Tronne assist was too good, for sure. That was bound to get nerfed. But she does deserve (and Haggar) some more buffs to even it out.
If it turns out Spidey can KFC during Maximum Spider, and launch another Maximum Spider, like every other character can with a hyper I will STFU. Till then, needs a buff.
Wolverine had no anti-air
Wolverine had no reliable OTG like Wesker or Sentinel
Wolverine's assists were ALL garbage
Wolverine was NEVER tops in ANY of the other Vs. games
Wolverine's main combos were all done very quick unlike Magneto or Dante or Tron
Wolverine had no projectiles and had to commit.
He SHOULD be strong!
BTW in case you didnt know. He's MARVEL's #1 guy!!
Why should he be crap???
Trish didn't need ANY buffs, neither did Doom. They're both ridiculous as it is..
Lol at wolverine not being good in any vs games. Play the original marvel vs capcom
Meh, doesnt matter to me much, I use Trons fire assist when my opponent keeps spamming in my face or in the air so I can get them off me, it will still do its job despite the nerf.
Its sad to see most if you think of tron as an assist Wh**e, theres many uses for her than just that and can make a bunch of combos without the JH, the fact that her bonne strike has faster recovery and that servbot launcher is faster is a great improvement but as said before, these are early improvements that can be changed, she could have another buff but we will see
Arthur was always weak in his games why is he getting a health buff when Ammy from Okami was VERY VERY Strong defensively and offensively and has to stay with 800k? not fair! She's like Link (Heart System) is Link easy to kill from attacks?
If they nerf tron's assists then nerf ammy's cold star assist b/c it's bs. I saw the tron nerfs coming. I'm still going to use her. Love the Trish buffs. Now my main team will be stronger.
My main team got buffs yay!, can't wait to see she-hulk's new projectile.
While we're on the subject of small tweaks to UMVC3, can we please, Please, PLEASE have Arthur collapse into a pile of bones when he dies like he did in the original game? If Zero can explode like a Megaman character then Arthur should die like a Ghouls and Ghosts character.
def liking the changes discovered so far.tron gustaff fire was too good to the point of being brain dead.even if the point char makes a mistake having tron assist made it near impossible to punish that mistake. even if u try to reaction beam hyper (w/dorm) to hit the assist call it'll eat thru it and still hit u or if its too far to hit it'll only start getting hit after the flame.no assist should have that kind of invincibility.
sent drones is another brain dead ass assist.so glad it got sped up.rushdown being so strong was partially due to this lame ass assist.but then again sent in general is braindead when compared to most of the cast.also glad otg rp,hsf after air combo isnt as reliable.haggar still seems to have the invincibility on his assist, it just causes soft kd now.not much of a diff.he also got some buffs too the ppl seem to be overlooking. cr.H is now a OTG?sounds good to me.
still kinda pissed that wolvie still has his drill claw,divekick relaunch but I guess removing it would change him a bit too much so its whatevs.ill take the speed reduction and removed invincibility on bereserker slash.lol @77 trying to make wolvie sound like he's ass when he is pretty much the best char in the game.no AA? yea cuz st.H,st.S,angled drill claw or tornado claw cant be used for that nah.
just as many buffs are going around as nerfs.ppl are just salty cuz their chars are getting nerfed so now they can't abuse stuff as much anymore.
Why would they do that to Tron? She has nothing other than her assist and jumping H, really!