If you're one of those people who doubt that fan feedback is much of a factor with Capcom games, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3's producer has some food for thought. He said in an interview with SiliconEra that the community being so vocal about having Strider in the game helped push the company to clear some licensing hurdles to get him in.Last time we talked about Marvel vs. Capcom 3, rights for Strider were the reason he didn’t make it in the game. How did you work out those issues?
We were able to get over the hurdle about the rights with Strider. I think one of the things that helped with that is there are a lot of fans out there that really wanted to see Strider in this game. He’s been a popular character since he appeared in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and a lot of people were disappointed that he wasn’t in Marvel vs. Capcom 3. Because of that, we knew if we ever went beyond 3 we would try to put Strider in the game. Because that’s one of the characters that fans, more than any other, requested for. I think that really helped us clear the rights issues with Strider.
How is Strider different from his appearance in Marvel vs. Capcom 2?
His basic attacks are all pretty powerful. When it comes to his gameplay and moves, not much has changed from Marvel vs. Capcom 2. The biggest change with Strider would be his hyper combos, that is where we made the most changes to. With his level three hyper combo, we decided to give him two different level three attacks. I think he’s the only character in the game who has two different types of level three hyper combos.
Tip from ShadowKnight28.
actually fan support didn't help because we wanted him in MvC3 not UMvC3.
at #4 thats the thing, they should ALREADY be in the game, at least MegaMan should. I shouldn't have to pay for one (emphasis on ONE) character that i enjoyed playing as in the past MvC games and should have already been in the game.
just sayin'...
@Struggs
"Megaman wasn't popular in MVC2." =/= Megaman isn't a popular character.
Your argument is invalid. MvC2 didn't decide Phoenix Wright and Nemesis making it into MvC3, did it?
Fans wanted MANY different iterations of MegaMan in MvC3, BADLY, and Capcom picked others for the spot, like the ever popular Rocket Raccoon.
Fact: Alot of people booked it to Wikipedia to just find out who the hell Rocket Raccoon was.
Even if Capcom had no real power in deciding Rocket Raccoon, the Capcom side lacking *ANY* MegaMan is a slap to the face in the fans literally SCREAMING at them to include MegaMan.
It's like they had earplugs in for 5 months while they looked at Nemesis, Vergil, etc. etc.
@13
No! Capcom didn't pick Rocket Raccoon over Mega Man! That makes no sense! They probably picked Phoenix Wright over Mega Man, because you guys were all complaining about him last week. The worst part is that you people aren't just whiny babies, you're also stupid.
@ChunLi Vergil was ranked pretty high on the fan poll, and they already wanted to add some sort of TYRANT in the game. And like I stated earlier. Maybe there is some sort of PROBLEM capcom cannot state dealing with the Character Megaman. You know his creator left Capcom, maybe he wants to bring he character with him? Instead of saying capcom doesn't listen to fans, even though they have 4 top ranking characters from the polls in UMVC3, try to think alittle harder?
Hey Catalyst, thanks for the shoutouts. Also, I think of particular note from the interview is the fact that Marvel pretty much dictated who was allowed to be in the game on their side. Just something that all the people who keep bringing up the Unity polls don't seem to understand when complaining about why Venom/Gambit aren't in the game.
@23
Fan opinion on Capcom's forums don't mean anything when it's Marvel that ultimately has the final word on who they allow into the game. And if they added Venom, it would have probably been the Flash Thompson version, which everyone would have complained about, because everyone that likes Venom enough to want him in doesn't actually follow Marvel comics and isn't aware that Eddie Brock hasn't been Venom in YEARS.
Capcom wanted more villains on the Capcom side, and that's where Nemesis and Firebrand come in.
Anything else?
Here's the thing about megaman. Back at the Tokyo Game Show last year, Inafune said that Japan was "making awful games" and "5 years behind" the western market. Needless to say, Capcom along with a few others didn't like what he had to say. I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but ever since Infaune left, Capcom said "Screw you, Infaune!" I wouldn't mind Capcom's exclusion of Rock as much if it wasn't obvious the reason he's not in is because they're still mad at Infaune. The only way Capcom can make all the people stop complaining about him is if he does come out as DLC, thus making me look like an idiot for writing this. But until then, with the cancellation of MM U, and MM Legends3, Capcom is flipping the bird to Infaune and they look like jerks for doing so.
ign has an article "is capcom killing megaman"
http://ds.ign.com/articles/118/118373...
idk i thought it was interesting
People only want venom cause of the cartoon, any spiderman villain would have been nice such as scorpion, electro, doc oct, heck even anti-venom.
Also a few people making videos about strider that just so happens to have been featured on this site does not equal to the thousands of fans/videos/art/polls that megaman got. Just because you only look at this site doesn't mean the internet ends here.
Capcom is FULL OF BS!!!! they knew beforehand strider was very popular! It seems to me they held him out so as that now they have this umvc3 and all ppl bummed about strider will be like hell yeah and get it! Im not saying im not gonna get it but it seems like capcoms skeeming is kinda going a lil overboard with new version here and there. And now phoenix wright like wtf? But idc its more of rocket raccoon who pissed me off!!!
People seem forget the legal aspects of bringing characters into this game... It is more then "I WANT THAT CHARACTER AND THIS CHARACTER". Especially when it comes to the likes of somebody like Strider who is jointly owned by capcom and another company.
@30
Yeah, just goes to show you that it literally doesn't matter what they do, some people will never be pleased by anything.
Anyway, back on topic: I'm pretty excited to try out Strider; Ouroboros sounds even godlier now more than ever, even if it is a level 3! Clockw0rk must've been crying tears of joy when he found out how good Strider still is. :)
For those complaining about why Strider got in and not Megaman, you people seem to be forgetting that Strider has been a very popular character in every iteration of the VS games he's been in, while Megaman HAS NOT. Perhaps some food for thought.
And for the idiot that keeps complaining about Rocket Racoon, READ THE F*CKING ARTICLE. RR is from MARVEL, and they decided who got in the game on their side, NOT Capcom.
Why are you all so crazy about mega man... He sucks in every game he is in. He is a small character so you know he is going to have 800,000. Your going to use him, get bodied within the first 10 seconds and never pick him again. So please let him go already...
Besides i'm pretty sure most of the people crying for mega man are the same people who already traded their games in. I'm sorry but if you can't stick with a game through the ups and the downs your vote doesn't count.
@37 those are my thoughts exactly. he was a terrible character with bad attacks and moves, meh combos. and his only appeal was using HP to shoot and troll the opponent. he was slightly less of a troll character than roll or servebot. Strider is another one. everybody loves him but i know of no1 that used him seriously besides clockwork
@39
I think he means that Megaman didn't make the cut within their eternal development team. Because in another news post he talks about Gene and X both just barely getting cut. Also people aren't taking into consideration what Japan wanted too but instead like to focus what capcom-unity wanted because it echoes their pain...
So I'm guessing this means no Dan? No super awesome Level 3 highly useless Otoko Michi? No trolling with the Super Taunt? You disappoint me Capcom, screw Strider, where's Dan?
@37
well if your going to generalize I can too. The only people who don't want megaman are the tier whores who will only pick top tier characters anyways so why should they care. Leave the character selection to the true fans.
P.S. He only sucked cause of the crappy moveset capcom gave him. If you had played any of his games to completion you would realized what a large amount of different moves he has. Look at hawkeye all he can do is shoot arrows, or Spencer all he can do is swing.
everyone was screaming for megaman and strider which is cool but what about Jin, Batsu, Captain commando. Would have loved them to be in Umvc 3.
megaman is not in the game because infaune doesnt want him in. you cant put a character that someone else created in your game without permission, otherwise you'd have legal issues to deal with.
capcom didnt create the characters on the capcom side, they just house them. capcom still has to ask the game devolopers who created the games/characters if they could use them.
the monster hunter devoloper said no when capcom asked if they could use a character from their game, and so did the creator of sengoku basara, AND SO DID INFAUNE WHEN IT COMES TO MEGAMAN! they can only use who they're allowed to.
notice how frank west and zero, both created by infaune are in the game but not megaman? its because infaune said "you can use frank and zero but, im taking megaman with me" then he quit and left capcom.
INFAUNE DOESNT WANT HIS BELOVED BLUE BOMBER IN CAPCOM'S GAME SIMPLE AND PLAN! ITS NOT CAPCOM, CAPCOM WANTS MEGAMAN IN UMVC3 BADLY, THEY WANTED HIM IN MVC3 BUT INFAUNE REFUSES TO LET THEM USE HIM DUE TO THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THEM THAT LEAD TO HIM JUST LEAVING THE COMPANY.
just know that if ono didnt want ryu in the game then he wouldnt be either, again, capcom had to ask ono to use his street fighter characters. it is the truth. THE BEEF BETWEEN INFAUNE AND THE CAPCOM COMPANY IS WHY MEGAMAN IS NOT IN THE GAME.
@Ant_and_Double_R
That's not really true. The creator of Dante, Amaterasu and Viewtiful Joe works for Platinum games now, but Capcom still retains the rights to use the character, because they were created while he worked for Capcom. The only character that had legal issues around him was Strider.
"just know that if ono didnt want ryu in the game then he wouldnt be either,"
LOL, Ono did not create and does not own the rights to Ryu. Capcom owns the rights to Ryu. Capcom also owns the rights to Megaman.
HURR FKING DURR.
Man... a lot of you are giving Mega Man fans a bad name. Seriously.
Obviously they listened to their fans as well as they could, but I'm certain they had their own choices they wanted to include in the game (in the case of someone like Firebrand who wasn't asked for), and on the Marvel side they have little to no control over that.
It really can't be said any other way. There's no hidden meaning to it, nothing else behind it.
People keep bringing up the Unity polls and "fan demand", but you're still thinking of it in a very confined space. There were obviously more polls that were a factor, and probably more things that were a factor beyond polls.
He didn't get in. And truth be told, would Mega Man (particularly X) be much different from Zero without making a huge change to his playstyle? (thus making him a clone anyway...)
Technically, hes right about strider, phoenix wright got in because of the fan support from both the fans and the ace attorney creator (which got started because out of nowhere phoenix was gonna be added in tatsunoko vs capcom but scrapped)
Megaman is huge, im not sure why he isnt in but theres a perfectly good reason, not,sure if its his build or if they just dont want him, there must be a reason.
Capcom stated that they had to choose between what marvel wanted, capcom only decided on bringing shuma but nothing,else. And as said marvels list didnt have venom nor cyclops for their own reasons.
It is true, the turmoil between infaune and capcom is the sole purpose why megaman isnt in the game. it has nothing to do with fan request, polls, capcom hating the character or none of that BS.
in fact, capcom loves the character and they absolutely want him in the game, but its really nothing they can do besides try to mend things with infaune which i believe they've tried to no avail.
i dont know if the problem/issue/beef between the capcom company and infaune can be resolved, but i hope it can because i would also like for megaman to be in the game as well.
Everyone here messes with people "whining" about Megaman, but It's a bit strange considering he's been in every other game. They said they couldn't make a moveset for him, but they made one for Iron Fist who was deemed too punchy, added Nemesis despite not wanting him due to ratings, and tossed in Ghost Rider whom they also deemed too punchy. I think people would be a bit more calm if there weren't so many strange excuses for him not being in.
Slightly off topic, but why do people think Ono is in control of EVERYTHING? Someone said he owns the right's to Ryu, I lol'd considering he didn't even work for Capcom for the original Street Fighter. I also noticed that NO MATTER WHAT, people think he chooses what character's go into EVERY CAPCOM game. Like if (insert character here) wasn't included, I just see "Damn you trollno why don't you add this character?" even for games like MvC3. He's the PRODUCER, yes he has a say in what happens, but the real power is in the hands of the "higher up's.
Sorry for the rant, it just gets really annoying seeing people think he's responsible for everything.
@#63 Well said!
After the sorry & riddle-filled excuses Capcom's but putting out the public (esp these last few days) I hope a lot of fans (including myself) can just deal with the fact that we cant believe ANY press releases about their titles in progress until we actually have it in our hands or see it confirmed officially through videos.
Nearly every title they have been releasing over the last few years has had some sort of "new edition" they follow up with that their games are starting to have no lasting appeal like they did in the past whether its a fighter or not.
Just listen to fans, or take your time to actually make a fully packed title thats GOOD where everyone can be at some sort of happy medium with. It's been since 2005 when they did it with Resident Evil 4...yet sadly it hasn't happened yet (least for me). They have the funds and manpower...so wtf is the problem?!? It's like get it together for F**ks sake instead of trying to rape our wallets every time you f**k up or come up short with a game.
They are treating every game now like high priced Beta's or a sports game (not bashing sports games) where I know a new version is right around the corner ready to make the current game I JUST BOUGHT absolutely worthless.
And people cant really say "if you dont like it, dont buy it" to hardcore fans because there are a hefty amount of fans that devoted TONS of time mastering their games and they actually want to play online against people and in tournaments. MvC3's online play will get even worse and inevitably die out once UMvC3 is released....hence why UMvC3 WILL SELL. They know this kinda sh!t and it's a bit unfair that they keep exploiting it with every title now.
I'll buy their titles used or off someone else online if anything from this point on if Im interested until they can impress me otherwise. Hopefully if more do the same, that will light some sort of fire under Capcoms a$$es where they used to WOW fans like they did in the past. But now, they have lost a lot of respect from myself and many gamers alike.
Just an excuse. They know well beforehand how stupid it was for Strider not to be there. It's not because of the fans that he is on Ultimate. It's because of the lack of competence of someone there that had the "brillant" idea of agreeing with the dumb idea of making a MvC without him... This is just how it should have been for anyone that knows something about games.
So they waited all this time to put in a character that they knew people wanted in, and when they do they make him look crap.
Dunno if its just me, but the textures or "lack of" textures on Strider make him look horrible.
@55 You do realize that the rights fo Mega Man belong to Capcom. IF you work for any movie or game company, and the project you create is ultimatly owned by that company via conract agreements and if you leave, it's too bad. infaune has no influence over how Mega Man is used anymore. The decision to not use Mega Man is a buisness decision nothing more nothing less.
The reason Mega Man LEgends 3 was cancled is because as stated, it did not meet the "required critieria." More than likley they felt it wasn't enough to meet the financial demands Capcom is looking for.
The thing about using producers characters is just a sign of respect, a cultural thing. It's considered rude to just take someones character without permission but in reality, Capcom could force them to use any character they want. If that producer leaves, in this case infaune, it's open season until the next producer takes over.
Mega Man did'nt make the cut because he wasn't their top choice even among fans. There are just as many Strider fans and Street Fighter fans as there are Mega Man. There are also different versions of Mega Man, so That migth have hurt his chances too, some want Mega Man classic, some want X or EXE.
Just the way it is guys, you can't change it.
screw strider...i want megaman...we need to get some fan support for him...
^ Wow... How naive can one actually be?
In every single article on every single game related site, whenever an article pops up about why some characters didn't make it in, references to Megaman's absence are made. IGN, Siliconera, Destructoid, Shoryuken, Eventhubs, the list goes on. Goes to show not only the fans are confused, even the press is because everyone knows how iconic he is. You can't go around the fact he IS the most wanted character, not only on Capcom Unity, not only during the unofficial poll, but all around. Do you see people still clamoring for Gambit? Venom? Gene? Yeah sure, but not NEARLY as much as Megaman, I'd say the ratio is Megaman 90%, rest 10%.
I love how Capcom actually put 4 of the top 6 in the game. Goes to show the fans' opinion do matter. Yet to leave the number 1 contender out must have its reasons. The only 2 I can think of currently is:
1) Practically what IGN said: Capcom is trying to kill Megaman. I think this is very undeserving, as Megaman has always been the face of Capcom. I understand how the Capcom boss may have a grudge against its maker Inafune, but to drag Megaman along is just sad.
2) Capcom realizes he is waaay up there and can easily make $5 for putting him up for DLC. Right now, I really, really hope this is the case.
The rest of the reasons, including 'not popular enough', 'no interesting move list', etc, are not acceptable.
Niitsuma said in the interview that Strider first appeared in MVC2. but if I remember correctly, he was already in MVC1. He used to be one of my fav characters in that game.
I would only want Mega Man in a game if they could make him interesting and actually worth playing, unlike the other Vs. games.
On a side-note, I wish Capcom didn't put their Breath of Fire franchise in the basement, never to be seen again. I would have loved to see a character from that series. I mean, if they wanted a character that could fly and swoop down on people, instead of Firebrand, put Nina from the Breath of Fire series... she has wings and she is a girl, so you wouldn't have had all men for the new characters.
Anyway, can't get ever franchise you want in I guess. And I do agree we don't have enough Devil May Cry and Resident Evil characters in the game... *cough*.
@Struggs (adding to ChunLi's post)
Mega Man wasn't exactly top-tier like Strider was. Although not being much of an MvC1 or 2 expert, I think it's safe to say Strider is a heck of a lot easier to pick up than Mega Man.
The same can be said about TvC. I'm a huge fan of Legends, but you won't see me playing Mega Man Volnutt. Why? Because he has an exceptionally steep learning curve.
On top of that, how many people do you think asked for Strider actually played his games? I'm willing to wager a VERY small percent, seeing how both his games are very obscure, cult classics.
@50 Actually no. I'm pretty sure my team is lower tier than yours. X-23, Modok, Wesker with Wesker being top. I gave you plenty of reason why he shouldn't be in the game. 800,000 and bodied...
Yes I know he is iconic, but come on man. Appreciate the characters you are getting. You cried for Phoenix Wright and he's in. He obviously doesn't belong, but you wanted him and got him. Virgil omg nuff said. Nemesis. Frank West is in...Strider Wow! Look at that cast of new characters. I would argue the new cast of capcom is better than the original mvc3 capcom lineup.
This goes to show me that people will never be content no matter who or what you give them and that saddens me. The only people deserving to cry are the marvel fans. Check out their lineup compared to capcoms. We get Rocket Raccoon who 95% of us never heard of, Iron fist which is cool, but before our time, Dr. Strange which is strange but ok... Nova again wtf? No Archangel, Apocalypse, Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, Venom, Carnage ect... trust me Marvel sides deserves more tears, but its cool. Let Mega Man go. He died.
Are people really STILL complaining? I'm just glad they decided to do anything at all about the game. Well worth the 40 dollars, in my opinion. If you don't like it, don't play. You don't run Capcom, Capcom runs Capcom, and if Capcom doesn't want a character in, then Capcom doesn't have to put a character in. I am fine with this.
I STILL dont get why people want Megaman, can anybody please explain it to me? I havent played much MVC2, but from what I can remember NO ONE played him lol, and he was a very low tier character.
If no one played him (So hypocrites), or he wasn't any good, why would you guys want him back? Altho I do think its stupid for them not to have their biggest franchis/name/mascot in the game, its weird.
Please, the plan was always to hold some of the most enticing characters off for a paid followup.
If Capcom can broker a deal with Marvel comics for a couple dozen characters, they can sure as hell get the rights to Strider for the first game if they wanted to.
Your also fine with capcom brutalizing your nipples, and I'm not, but what can I do.
I don't run Capcom, Capcom runs Capcom, and if capcom wants to announce "Super UMVC3" 5 months after UMVC3, then Capcom can announce "Super UMVC3". I'm not fine with it.
People are getting all mad about capcom making all these new editions the same game if your like 20 or younger I don't even want to hear it they have been doing this since I was like 8 years old there are like 12 dang sf2 games and people complained when the fighting game drought was around and wanted fighting games now your getting mass of them and now people still can't be pleased I for one am cool with it and I'm sure anyone who was around for sf2 when it came out is too as well cuz I'm sure if you were you have spent plenty of money on the 9 hundred variations as well I still plan on playing vanilla mvc3 for little reasons and buying umvc3
There are 2 things wrong with the "MegaMan would be worthless in this game" argument.
1- You are all basing this on the moveset MegaMan used in MvC/MvC2, a moveset that was notoriously bad for him as a character. MegaMan Classic alone has well over 78 different weapons he could utilize if Capcom so chose to implement it. That's JUST from MegaMan 1-10 alone, and only the weapons gained from bosses alone. It doesn't include games from the handheld series or Rockman and Forte, or any special items, support units and adaptors he has acquired along the way.
2- They could have used ANY MegaMan from ANY series. X was the top requested, and he has about double the weapons/abilities of Classic. Volnutt was already established in TvC and could be made MUCH BETTER. qcf/b and dpf/b per strength of attack could lead to 6 potential weapons to utilize. any+S could determine how the attacks are used instead of just a command normal. EXE is a walking CONTINENT with an arsenal that covers EVERY single gameplay style you could ever possibly imagine.
Don't give me that he wouldn't be a good addition, because he would. Don't give me that no one wanted him in, because people did. If this character wasn't so important, why are sites like SRK, IGN, Siliconera and the like surprised at his absence?
Lastly, PLEASE don't assume that the people who wanted MegaMan in were the same people who wanted Phoenix Wright in.
@#81
I am 30 years old, but that is irrelevant. ANYONE can complain about capcom's blatant milking. And before any of you can counter with "well UMVC3 is a better deal!" it isn't. If they'd release the characters as dlc, I could choose who I wanted (and not get stuck with 9 characters I didn't want), It's also the same with the stages.
An Update (one the same price as SSF4 AE) could have been used for the game play instead of mashing it all together and calling it a new game (and rendering our 60$ 5 month old copy, useless).
Nobody asked for the Hud changes or the character select screen changes, capcom is just making it LOOK new to try to convince you that they changed too much for them to make it an update.
@Lockedin
Zero is not a MegaMan. Zero was NEVER a MegaMan. There are many reasons for this that you wouldn't understand considering that you obviously haven't played many games from the series, but you could just go with the obvious one of the fact that their fighting styles are completely different.
Another thing is with Updates.
Yes, Capcom has been doing it forever, but think about it. What were the cost differences to the player between the 5 versions of SF2 alone?
That's right. There WERE none. Arcades were pay as you play. There was no real investment. Like the Dollar Menu, it was just a thing you did for quick gratification.
MvC3 to UMvC3 is paying $60 for a game that was supposed to have some longevity only to pay $40 for a version that's much better, rendering your first purchase a complete friggen waste. Your initial investment tanked. Not because they couldn't fix the problems it came with, but because they decided to shell out a disc with it. That's why its a problem.
I do agree they are changing the HUD and all that to make us feel lime it's a brand new game but I think it's not DLC because the characters are so obscure the characters that will be DLC I think ate gonna be characters the know they can sell so it's not as risky
Why do you guys want Mega Man so much?? He's ass. A complete garbage character. Just stop already.
@65 That pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole situation. But I'm a hardcore fan like most of the other people here... So yeah it sucks but until we can get enough people together to either not buy into this crappy business model or make some sort of official statement to them it won't change.
What I don't understand is, if its about $money$ then they would definitely make a lot more of it by paying more attention to what we ask. With that being said, they must be purposely holding out on us because I don't think there are that many incompetent people working for Capcom to not get in people like Megaman e.g. spectator mode in the 1st MVC3. They know we gotta have it and they got us by the balls! I don't even like Megaman but now I'm interested to see how much we will have to pay for him, its so sad.
But on the other side has any company other than Capcom listened to its fans this much in the past few years? Its a gift and a curse relationship
@86
How is your first investment a waste? Did you not enjoy playing MvC3? How many hours of enjoyment did you receive, 20, 30, 100?
A wasted investment seems to imply that you received nothing for your money, when you did. What you mean is, that your initial investment didn't endure as long as you had hoped.
However, we are know Capcom's reputation for creating multiple versions of the same game. Any good investor would have looked at that history and taken that into consideration before making their initial investment. Seriously, whose fault is this really? Capcom, who has a history of doing this, or people like you, for not being a more cautious consumer?
@90 Easy, capcom. If you'd have searched the forums and the interwebz for "super MVC3" topics, you'd see that almost EVERYBODY thought that capcom wouldn't pull a "super remake" with the MVC series.
That's why it's hitting so many of us hard. We knew the game was broken once desk started showing us the Glitches with the game, and we thought "I'll just wait for an update to fix the kinks". But never (until recent rumors) did we think we'd have to pay for ANOTHER copy?
What are we suppose to do with our old copy? It has an 8$ trade in value, and none of my friends want this Glitchy, incomplete garbage.
@3
What are you talking about? Mega Man X had the HIGHEST number of votes in the Capcom Unity poll, and even with Strider coming in a strong 3rd, all the different iterations of Mega Man totalled out to almost 3 times as much as Strider. Now, keep in mind, I have NO problem with Strider being in the game (I was surprised he wasn't in the last one); it's the fact that FIREBRAND made it into the game over a Mega Man of any kind.
@37, @38, & @41
I dunno, I've never seemed to have any difficulty kickin' some ass with Mega Man in MVC 1&2 or TVC. My main team has always been Gambit, Mega Man, and either Dhalsim or Venom, and I've always managed just fine.
@55
..... one of the most retarded theories I've ever heard.
@74
What the hell are you talking about, that Mega Man was "hard to learn" in ANY of the games??? I picked 'im up EASILY in all 3 games; he felt like 2nd nature for me. Volnutt was a LITTLE trickier to get the hang of, but once I did, I had no problems. Strider's WAY more complicated to use effectively. And the thing is, if people feel strongly enough about a character, then they'll often go out of their way to learn how to use the character effectively in another game, even if it DOES seem awkward at first.
@82
THANK YOU! FINALLY somebody speaking with some measure of intelligence regarding Mega Man's viability as a fighter! Even if you CAN'T work with Mega Man's "current" moveset in the MVC games, keep in mind that he can very easily be CHANGED. Along with all the small changes that've been made to existing characters' playstyles (an extra move here and there, new Hyper Combos, adjusting what Hard Punch does, etc.), they've even gone so extreme as to COMPLETELY overhaul a character like Jill from scratch. There's NO REASON they couldn't figure out a way to make Mega Man [X] work better for folks who don't seem to be capable of using him to great effect.
> Ry-Guy
Is it true that Capcom wanted to give us 90s Venom but Marvel said no unless they'll put in Flash Thompsons Venom ? If so then man am I glad they didn't add him
@91
Well, the day this game was announced, I sold my vanilla one for $20.00 on Amazon.
Gamestop is always a rip-off.
@91 Good deal there, but what about others who can't do the same? what do they do with it? The online will die down after UMVC3 comes out, the game will get super stale (if it wasn't already) and it'll just collect dust on your shelf.
I don't know about you, but I don't like spending my hard earned money on betas. People complained about the bareness of the game, the glitches, and the netcode, and capcom answered their complaints with this. No update, no dlc, just another copy to kill your old one.
I think we shouldn't blame just Capcom for everything. Like I said before in another topic, there are a whole bunch of biased a**holes in Marvel as well who didn't want Venom, Gambit, Cyclops & Rogue instead of their popularity.
So, may be this is all just part of a big publicity stunt. They might eventually add all the remaining fan-favorites via DLC.
@95
Well, you could look at it like this... 12 new DLC characters would cost you $60.00 at the current price model of $5.00 per character, which seems to have become the norm with Capcom and Mortal Kombat makers. Instead, you can now pay $40.00 minus the money you get back for selling your vanilla copy, and get not just 12 new characters, but 8 new stages, lots of fixes with new moves for characters, and a vastly improved online mode.
I see where you are coming from though and it is frustrating. I thought after Arcade Edition they were going to switch to the DLC update model instead of sticking with the brand new disc one. I guess they still want to try to draw more people into the game, but it doesn't make sense to make another hard copy of the game in less than a year. The Tsunami was mentioned as an excuse for UMvC3, but that doesn't explain why it can't be a DLC add-on to save people money.
One thing is for sure, this is a big mess.
Why do you people have to be such obnoxious fanboys? Give the characters a damn chance. I never heard of Dormammu or She-Hulk before I got MVC3, but now I play them both because I like the way they play. That's the important part, adding characters that have good gameplay is more important than just satisfying a bunch of annoying fanboys.
and rofl @ the megaman fans pointing to the capcom-unity polls.
@26
Eddie Brock hasn't been Venom for like 6 years.
Mac Gargan (Scorpion) became Venom and then after him Flash Thompson.
Eddie Brock is now Anti-Venom, possibly the worst and least original comic name ever.
Doesn't matter if megaman wAsn't popular in mvc2 cause wolverine and spiderman weren't either but marvel brought them back. Mega man is an icon you can't compare him to anyone in capcom
It's not surprising this thread got a ton of hate comments.
Capcom looks like a joke when an article is titled fan support gets characters in but Megaman doesn't. To add to that, I'm not even a fan of the character, nor do I know much about him. I just know that in every MvC thread, I see comments about him, probably like that on youtube and where and Unity as well.
I think MM should be in because of his overwhelming popularity, not because he was popular in x vs game. However, popularity alone is not the reason a character gets in. There are other variables in the mix, and those have to be taken into account as well. I think CC will put in MM sometime, because people are not backing off. They know what they want and Capcom won't be able to forget it as well.
Stop your mega man crying. He is Dead! Let him go and learn to appreciate what you have for once.
ign wrote a pretty good article about mega man and mention that he's not in mvc3. you know a lot of game sites are wondering wtf is capcom thinking as well as readers. if he's dlc they will make a crazy amount of money but at the same time mega man fans will be pissed off they have to pay for their fav character if he would make it. i dont think he will though
I find it a little funny everybody on here is talking about how nobody used Megaman in MvC 2 and nobody used Captain America nor did anyone use Shuma Gorath or for short nobody but the teams you saw in Evo or any other gaming competitions (Doom, Sent., Mag, etc.) And right now you rarely see these characters being played in MvC 3. MegaMan could have been made fit for MvC 3 (preferably EXE seeing he has multiple weapons and there's more to him than X or the Classic one). If it's called whining well so be it I've been a fan of Megaman since I started playing video games and he should've been in the first wave of characters because he's been a mascot and front man of Capcom since the Captain Commando days. I don't wanna hear that "oh he's trash" because if that was the case he wouldn't have been in the game in the first place.
In the case of fighting games:
Professional Player's Opinions/Requests > Casual Player's Opinions/Requests
Just sayin'...
@LionelRGuy
I'm saying Mega Man is hard to learn based off personal experience. I may be wrong about MvC1/2, but I do know for a fact that many people thought he was really difficult to play in TvC. And I also wasn't referring to character mastery, I was referring to picking up the character. I would compare Strider to Dante: easy to learn, but hard to master. To say Volnutt is a LITTLE harder to learn than say TvC Ryu is a BIG understatement.
To all the comments that keep saying "Just let Mega Man die, stop whining": how the hell do you think Strider or Phoenix Wright made it in the roster? Don't be mistaken, I love both characters, but to say our whining is any different from Strider or Phoenix Wright fan demand is just ignorance and selfishness. Of course Capcom is not entitled to give us anything, but as consumers we can voice our opinion and make demands.
Megaman was my main in MvC1 and 2,I always saved him as my last standing character,nobody wanted to play against me when i used Megaman.I learned how to use him really good early on and he can definetely hold his own with his fast buster shots and mix up with tornado hold.ANY character is deadly in the right hands.Its a dam shame Capcom chose Phoenix Wright over him.Phoenix Wright?!Give me a break with that whack ass character,and Frank West?!WTF?!People wanted Phoenix pu$$y Wright and Frank fag#ot West? Wheres Venom,Nightcrawler,Captain Commando,Gambit and Jin?...R.I.P Mragaman.
I cant wait to see the health Phoenix Wright has! If it's more than Arthur...
@113 Funny how you say that you destroyed with MM back in the day and you go on about how "ANY character is deadly in the right hands" and then you instantly start bashing 2 unique Capcom characters just because they seem the most out of place in a fighting game. Then you start whining for Venom, Nightcrawler and Gambit which are Marvel characters that Capcom doesn't even have access to. It's pretentious and spoiled brats like you that make me wonder why game companies even try to attempt to please their so-called fans.
Im bashing on them as character choices not their gameplay.I liked using Frank West in TvC his gameplay was fun,but to me as a character hes just kinda dull for a vs game.Im all for the odd ball characters,I heavily use V Joe and MODOK as my mains in MvC3, to surprise people,and i tend to stear clear of Dante,Sent etc type characters(even though i do like those characters). I even like they included Rocket Racoon hes old school in the Marvel universe,the little fuc#er uses guns,and hes named after the amazing Beatles song"Rocky Racoon".but to me Phoenix Wright is just lame as a character,hes more of a straight up human character and would be really bland to look at,although im sure Capcom can make him super fun to use(thats their job).And i know what Marvel characters belong to Marvel but Capcom should grow a second nut and tell them to atleast include Venom!over Shuma.I like Shuma ALOT,but to me hes still behind Venom as far as character inclusion.
Well now I understand your reasoning for your disagreement with the character choices. I'm quite the opposite however, the "straight up human character" quality of their characters adds to the hilarity of the whole situation. The notion of a photojournalist doing battle with super powered mutant or a lawyer wrestling with giant robot adds to the ridiculousness of the VS series. As for Venom being in over Shuma D: I main Shuma and I love him to death. I agree that Venom or Carnage should have been in the game, but hey, whatcha gonna do. Just wait till UMVC3 AE comes out.
@119.I see your point about Phoenix Wright,and i agree its gona be really funny watching him do battle,but why couldnt we have both Phoenix Wright AND MegamanX since thats what the majority of people wanted?Instead we have Firebrand and Frank West,those are coo characters in their own right,but i really dont think they should have goten in before Megaman.
Question: Where has fan support gotten Mega Man?