Mentioned by Grimmjow316, Fawaz and Nyoronoru.
just makes me glad a skipped this verison.
The prob is its still early. Give it till sept then it will be yun vs yun all day.
Now before anymore crybabies start storming in here to whine about how upset they are at Yun, I would like to invite people here to take a read at what I've written up about the balance of SSF4-AE:
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
I understand that I've written A LOT, but I did that for a good reason. I've seen too many crybabies come in here and spew meaningless posts such as "Yun is overpowered nerf him," "SSF4-AE is broken," "They need to give Cammy her TKCS back," "They need to return Guile to his SSF4 status," etc...
I'm reading all this meaningless crying WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHAT-SO-EVER. I wrote a lot in order to give a detailed breakdown about the balance of SSF4-AE compared with the previous two installments of the SF4 series.
And so far, the only person who has attempted to even have any sort of argument is this Grimmjow316 person.
@7
Only one other person agrees with me? Pffft. Sure man. You clearly didn't look over the thread, and you're clearly talking straight out of your a$$ crack when you wrote up post #7.
There have been many other posters here who have felt that Yun is no where near as bad as the S-Tiers of SSF4. And so far, most of those posters actually give good explanations of why Yun really isn't that bad.
All the crybabies on the other hand, don't even give explanations at all. They just cry and whine and moan.
That pinky is so creepy...
Also in other news Gamerbee won the EVO2K11 Taiwan Qualifiers
@!0:
I still hasn't understood why in the hell Capcom gave Gouken such a slow walk speed. I think Sagat walks fsster than him. He already has no option to get out of rushdown situations other than this counter (EX or not) and that's a guess whether your opponent will high or low OR throw after each knockdown. I played Gouken a lot in reg SSFIV (didn't main him though) and he changed for the worst in my opinion. Adding the frustrating lag on PSN makes me want to drop Gouken entirely.
@ ... You like to use the word "Crybabies" a lot. It's tiring reading the same insulting word over and over. Anyway, I can't give you any reasons as to why i dislike the Yun that you will like, but it just isn't fun for me to watch highlevel play of him. When I'm watching, I just see him sit back, do his little palm things until the other person gets brave, then i see him either dive kick or dash punch, and then the other guy is left with 50 percent life. It's not fun at all to watch. If his dash punch and kick was a little easier to counter, the Yun couldn't be as fearless with them as he is, and i think that would make it better, but for now, that's why i don't like him. still waiting for highlevel E.Ryu and Oni, they just seem like amazingly fun characters to watch, if someone plays them right.
@12 Honestly Gouken should have gotten a new move or two in SSF4. He is good but he simply doesn't have good enough pokes or anti-air to bother with. Heck, even without the "Killing Intent" I can't imagine Akuma ever losing to Gouken in terms of storyline wise.
@15 Oni stole the moves that could have helped him lol
@ fireinthehole
You posted that before and your argument was dismantled
people complain that Yun is broken because he is. everything he does is safe, almost. and as the video above against bullcat showed one combo into super led to 50 damage in the first few seconds of a match. if he lunge puches if you can beat it with a on reaction move you have to block and pray you guess right. his meter build is ridiculous, and palm's active frames last for an incredibly long time for a move that you can't even see the projectile.
sure I can argue as you have, that based on skill of the player yun goes from S tier to B tier, but then I'd be called an idiot by everyone who post after me. Tier list mark how strong a character is against another. for get the player of equal skill thing. imagine of you cloned yourself and you A mained Dhalsim while You B, mained Yun. your skill level being the same with both. Tier says you B would beat you A 8 times out of 10 (and that's being generous in that match up.)
your argument seems like its saying that if I used yun which i never have, and faced Legendary Otaku (the best Guy player in japan). just because I'm using yun does not mean I will win, well thats common sense. your skill with a character does determine his/ strength. but to counter that, as F. CHamp vs Daigo both with Ryu and with yun shows, skill can only take you so far if you characters abilities place you at a disadvantage. that Set was the epitome of how tier works.
your argument, that yun is only good if you know what you are doing while true can be said for any character. the problem is if you are good and use Yun you can blow up almost anyone else who is as good and dare I say a little bit better, who doesn't use him.
I think I've gotten my point across on that matter.
as for guile he's the same except his damage was lowered and his air grab is 4 frames, and his sonic booms build little meter. but when it comes down to it you can play him just as before you just have to hit your opponent more.
come to think of it the way you feel about SSF4 Guile is how people feel about Yun now, if anything you should empathize.
Finally (finally) cammy's tks' on whiff built meter dive kicks do not. that about sums up why cammy was nerfed in that department. so i won't argue that. but what i will say is due to what i just typed, comparing a dive kick to a special move like cannon spike is moot because a dive kick is a normal, and contrary to what you said, if yun and yangs kicks are landed below the waist they are actually safe, despite the huge hit-able box. a skilled player would know that and make sure he uses the right dive kick for the right situation.
your article contradicts itself because you fight for Yun, then you complain about how gdlk others were.
its pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.
sorry for the long post EH readers, thank you.
Good read Samurai don't worry about the long post better than other things people type.
Nice job Samurai, but it won't matter. He'll either pretend he didn't read that and avoid you, or refuse to see your points and post elsewhere. I know his type. Then when SSF4:AE 2k12 update comes out (or whatever), he'll be bitching that Yun was nerfed, and that... I don't know, Gen (or whoever) is too broken. But, yeah, I enjoyed reading your post. keep it up.
For cammy TK CS, people are more concern about the ability the frame trap, mix up and combo with it rather than building meter. Even if it build 0 meter, I will go for it. But since they make it useless move now, I drop cammy. its like Ryu have a fireball limit, or Akuma cannot Demon Flip anymore (about this one, Akuma is still strong), but for Cammy, no TK CS mean Cammy become hella boring and weak
I know why I hated the Guile match up is as a Guy player guile basically had to walk backwards, chuck booms and pick an anti-air. its basically the ryu/dhalsim match. maybe he used someone to had a hard time getting inside guiles playstyle?
@17
samuraix025, can you please just copy and paste what you wrote in post #17 into the tread that I've made in the forums section.
I ask because I don't like to do detailed arguments here because you can't quote what others have written, and plus it's really hard to keep track of things here.
In the forums section, it's easy to search and relocate a thread after a week or so. Here it's different. It's not that easy to keep track of posts in the newsfeed section.
@19
Pfffft. You're kidding me right? Samurai makes a post and you expect me to immediately respond within 10 minutes? Take a look at the time there buddy. Samurai made post #7 at 9:16pm and you made your post at 9:26pm.
By the way. There's really no need to slander people that you don't know with baseless claims. If you go to the thread in the forums section, you'll see that I've rebutted manys posts made by this GrimmmJow316 by quoting his words and then breaking them down.
So far, this Grimmjow316 has not been quoting the things I've said and breaking them down. Matter of fact, if you bother to read what has been going on in the thread I've created, you'll see that he has consistently avoid quoting the post I've made because he knows that he won't be able to offer up any good counter-arguments. And he's also been endlessly repeating the topics that have already been covered.
Perhaps you should consider calling out your buddy Grimmjow when you say things like: "He'll either pretend he didn't read that and avoid you, or refuse to see your points and post elsewhere. I know his type." After all, he's the one whose doing that stuff in the forums, not me :)
@17
BTW Samuraix025, the thread is right here:
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
I will answer to your post, but probably not tonight as I need to go right now. But if you look through the thread, you'll see that I've been answering back almost everyone in very detailed posts. So I will be answering you back ASAP as soon as I have the time.
IMO Yun is no where near as good as his 3rd strike self.but people find characters to complain about all the time.
Remember when dhalsim rose guile were complained about being to weak?Capcom then listens to the fans and buffs them,now people complain some more and all 3 of them got nerfed again.
Then you haven't read the latest comments where I said why I don't quote and all your crap has more holes in it than a pair of beat up pair of underwear and so far most people are basically going to voice similar opinions to what I have been saying also most top players are sick of the twins Gamerbee just did an interview saying exactly that so guess what your attempts suck even RPG a guy who likes AE says you lost all credibility in your post so tough luck.
So an overwhelming majority of the community agrees the character is way too good, the game's producer admits this is true and he made him like that on purpose, and you're still sitting here trying to tell us we're wrong and that people just like to complain about something? We're all being trolled here right?
I like how you bothered to type all that and then said you had to go yet you didnt directly address the issues that samurai pointed
Samurai you will also see failed attempts at things by him as well just throwing out there. Also Mr.Pavy is right basically people always complain about something funny thing is those 3 characters he mentioned were fine probably one little change not the drastic one they took but all in all it's the flavor of the months so meh.
Yun and Yang are broken period they are too strong especially Yun. All you people saying they are not is the reason Capcom gets away with there BS. People needed to complain its there opinions you have no right to tell them to shut up just because you don't want to read what they say. Like you are saying DEAL WITH IT.
Broken come on not this the correct term is OP and Yang is far from it in reality he is what Yun should have been molded to be as compared to what he is now.
Ok since we can voice our "opinions" then i may as well join in the debate of Yun being OP or not etc. In term of what you can and cant do against Yun he isnt impossible (or what they call "broken"). I will admit somethings like the qcb punch move (palm) is rediculous and should have its active frames decreased, but when you look at other areas such as his dive kicks he really isnt overpowered in an area like that. heck juice box abel even mentioned if its not spaced correctly or it hits the top half of the body you get a free throw.
now for the lunge punches starting with the regular ones, his ranges are crazy and all but if you can bait the player using him this move isnt too bad. Ex lunge punch should be punishiable on block but at least its not invincible. all in all this move isnt too bad.
as for genei jin, its not so bad because its only for juggling so if your opponent randomly uses it its worthless and or if they dont or cant launch you then they waisted there own time and meter as well. this can go either way in someones opinion but its not overpowered as its only affective if you know how to juggle and dont drop your combo.
up kicks can be easily baited on wake up so this move isnt as bad wake up wise and can be punished if whiffed by some chars. the only real complaints you could use against this is the fact daigo was able to use a normal and then ex up kick when champ was using ultra one with sim and daigo too no damage?!
the command grab isnt too bad but at the same time since youll be blocking this'll frustrate many since it seems like he will always get you somehow!
all in all id have to say yun isnt too bad but if you dont play too defensive or way too offensive then you can stand a chance against him. it was said that its over for projectile characters by daigo but i disagree. so many people get baited easily just waiting for something like a projectile that some are so scared to throw that they end up whiffing theyre anti projectile attacks.
i know someone will disagree with me but thats fine. i gotta say im glad that hes in the game because its nice to see people using rush down for once even though his rush down is insane and super powerful loaded with tons of tools for almost anything ( accept ziefs grab!) i dont think he is completely OP but i do feel as though he does need "SOME" changes. perhaps even the oni/evil ryu amount of stamina as well?
forgot to add this but id rather fight against yun then ; SF IV Sagat, and Akuma or SSF IV Guile or Seth or Chunli or Honda.
And out of all of capcoms stuff people complain about, id rather stay in sf anything fighting whoever then playing MVC2 against MSS or the failed MVC 3 X factor edition ( just poking fun at the x factor system sorry) against Wolverine, Sentinel, Phoenix, Akuma and so on. its pretty crazy when even tokido one of the dirtiest players in the community says a character in such a game is too cheap.
@35
Nice post there EnsignHiro.
Now would you mind if I paraphrase what you've just said and post all of that into the thread that I've created in the forums section?
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
I think it'll be WAYYY MORE productive if arguments such as yours are actually posted into a forum-thread. The reason for that is because it'll be much easier to record and keep track of what you've written.
Don't get me wrong, but people have said the things you said in post #35 in the comments section of other newsfeeds as well. The problem is that a couple of says from now, this news along with the comments will be pushed back to page 2 or page 3, and when that happens everyone will forget what you've wrote and will start repeating the same arguments over and over again.
@36
Again, nice post. At least I'm not the ONLY one who feels that SSF4-Guile was insanely OP in SSF4 and that he was MUCH WORSE than AE-Yun is.
i too, would rather right Yun all day than Super Guile or SF4 sagat.
#36
I LOVE fighting Sagat, Honda and Guile because I know exactly what to expect. Their play style is 100% linear. Characters that can random you out off a single knockdown (Viper, Ibuki, Rufus, Fuerte, Abel, Yun, Yang) are annoying, but Yun is especially annoying because he's blatantly overpowered. I don't see how anyone can enjoy playing Roulette Fighter 4 against Yun.
I have an idea, lets give someone a full screen armor breaker thats too fast to react to, can combo if it hits, and has advantage on block. Then, we'll give the meatiest special in the game that even SRK's get stuffed by, and while were at it, lets make it so they can fake it, and it recovers almost instantly. Then, he needs a dive kick, in fact, lets just give him the best and only dive kick, in fact, make it cross up. Hmmm, we still need more... how about the best target combo, and then we'll have super and ultra be able to combo into eachother. Still need more, lets make his SRK hard to punish, but punishable, we dont want him too powerful. Hmmm... Still need more, oh yes, a command grab. There we go. This character should be balanced. GG
#20 "For cammy TK CS, people are more concern about the ability the frame trap, mix up and combo with it rather than building meter. Even if it build 0 meter, I will go for it. But since they make it useless move now, I drop cammy. its like Ryu have a fireball limit, or Akuma cannot Demon Flip anymore (about this one, Akuma is still strong), but for Cammy, no TK CS mean Cammy become hella boring and weak"
Ahahahah nice dude. Vastly improved normals allowing super easy fierce fierce fierce to spiral arrow combos without any effort arent good enough frame trap moves for you? Using EX cannon strike to blow up crouch techs not good enough either? You really must have only used TKCS on your opponents wake up and nothing else.
We are seriously saying a character who builds meter faster than anyone, has super high mobility, an invincible DP, great EX moves (go through fireballs/juggle, wall bounce, grab combo starter, free ultra setup thats is + on block) and an even better super (very easy higher than honda super damage that is much easier to land than honda's super). Bison was "too strong" so they made scissor kicks push back more to make pressuer harder. They gave yun a armor breaking lunge punch that is + on block while keeping him on top of you. Scissor kicks is 0 on block and pushes you back. Blocked lunge punch is basically a frame trap. Bison's psycho punisher was "too strong" so they made it one of the most telegraphed anti fireball ultra's possible. Adon kept his anti fireball ultra exactly the same guess who else has a great anti fireball ultra? Yun. He also has an extremely combo friendly ultra 1.
His footsies are not exactly bad. Not the best but they work. They can give him a sec to set up his super easy links that rarely use light attacks yielding big damage and stun and great positioning and meter gain. Palm is better than TKCS for meter building and can keep you safe from fireballs when you just don't feel like using your mobility.
Characters lost things Yun has (sometimes things that werent as strong)because they were "too strong". Yun has plenty of things that were cut for being "too strong" for other characters alongside all sorts of natural strengths. He is the best simply put.
Lets face the facts bison honda and guile were strong in super but what characters won tournaments? more often than not other characters. Yun has had little time to be learned and he is near the top of every bracket if not sitting at the very top as winner. Broken? that is a harsh word. The only broken character in a legit fighting game i can think of was ST Akuma and he literally nade the game impossible. Yun does not do that. Extremely powerful with the best tools ever?
That is a little closer.
Comments on this page:
90% = "Yoon is OP. PLZ t00 n3rf himZ!!! Q_Q"
10% = decent arguements.
0% = video related comments. Not a single comment that Inoue is actually a godlike player. Yup. He won every single ranked match in that stream (except 3) only because he used Yun. Wow. What's happening to this site?
Lowering health isn't a solution to the problem. He could have the same health as Seth and still be S tier.
The issue is that he has no real weakness other than his health/stun. He has abilities that are good for every situation. His moves are safe, damaging, fast, and build meter incredibly quickly. His "weakness" of needing to be close range is completely mitigated by his incredibly safe lunge punch, his dive kick, and using palm strike to not only build meter faster than most of the rest of the cast, but doing it safely since it has a huge range, absorbs fireballs, breaks armor, and has a long duration.
Is he broken to the point of being unbeatable? Hardly. Is more significantly better designed and with better stats than the rest of the cast? Yes.
It turns the game into a meta game centered around "how can we beat Yun/Fei?" It is less important that the character you main has a good overall matchup but important that they have the ability to deal with Yun/Fei. Characters without the ability to handle Yun will fall out of favor because he upsets the games balance so much.
Wow, you guys have a lot of time to kill eh? I love how FITH's treating this like it's the end of the world.
+1 EnsignHiro
@46 actually his stun is average yeah I know another stupi thing anyways that pinky was he in an accident or what.
@ fireinthehole
Ive finally read thru the 7 pages introduced in that forum post, my god your initial post is the only thing OP so far. Should have condensed it down and use bullets for points so its easier on the eyes and easier to look back at the post when scanning for info. While i understand where you was going on why cammy/guile was OP in your eyes, Others view Yun in the same light.
Simple fact of the matter all stated characters(regardless of tier placement) from both sides of the arguments had a slew of overly safe options. Thus having too many safe options compared to the other current characters people will view that as OP/broken. People found it hard(not impossible) to punish cammy/guile/honda w/e in ssf4 and yun/fei/yang in AE. But behold having a bunch of options doesnt= free tournament wins.
And about You,Grimm, and others that like to bring up tier placements/pro opinions.... ya seem to forget that the reason why alot of them are on top is due to inflation. There is too many characters in the game who have terrible options to rely on which makes other characters appear TOO GOOD when it comes to placement, while in a tournament sense not even half the cast gets used by high level players...so all the artificial advantages top tiers tend to have on paper doesnt even come into play most of the time.
That explains why all mentioned characters stated in that forum post and here, DONT have many(if any) tournament wins under their belts.
Only differences is now is that alot of Yun's bad match ups are from underplayed characters and without much(if any) good players backing them, and said characters have lack of good options to succeed well against others, thus inflating yun presence and standing with everyone.
*Gief/hawk/juri/makoto etc. as examples of characters that do well against Yun but no one plays them really.
While in your statement is more of an overall standpoint(a view not taking into consideration when it comes to winning where is counts, tournaments)And for the sake of equality of comparisons. Guile's bad match ups are from characters that are played fairly often along with Good players backing said characters, thus constantly keeping him in check(thus devaluing his standing along with cammy/honda/chun unlike the current Yun)
*Vipers/abels/sims/akuma etc all characters seen in about every tournament and do well against guile
With that thinking in mind both sides are fairly right in their complaints. See the trend that goes on? You should be able to see why people rally against Yun with this mentally involved and hopefully people can see your stance on why Guile is in the same boat.
Last note.. none touch vanilla sagat, i ended up liking him to a default, me and friends see who can literally mash out a win the best. Fun times trolling like that.
@51 damn your airtight knowledge *KO* lol but I get where your coming from. BTW Gief can do it but most are likely to have a pocket Sagat if they really know the MU against Yun I'm still hopeful for Vangief thought and other Gief mains.
@Teapo #42
Super easy fierce fierce fierce? I don't even think such a thing is possible even on Abel. Unless your including jumping fierce. But either way I don't see how its easy. Most of the double fierce combo's are one frame links except for if you start with crouching fierce then its two frames. Also all the double fierce combo's are match-up specific. And you have to know which one works on a particular character when he's standing and when he's crouching. So not only is it hard to me but also extremely technical.
All I'll say is, I don't care who the player is, that Gouken fought terribly with standard Gouken-fare that seemed quite robotic.
I think it's right to dislike a defeatist mindset, and it's equally right to say there's something wrong for developers to be intentionally uneven-handed in balancing a certain character.
A rush-down character that you can't put any fear into due to excessive move-safety is a scary thing. They dropped an important rule that they applied to _every other character_ when it came to balancing Yun. This is what people are talking about when they say he feels like he belongs in a different game. The same rules don't apply to Yun for some reason, he's 'special'.
I still think it's too early to say that anti-Yun technology won't happen. His weakness is supposed to be in his all or nothing approach, but too many of the cast (or too many players) find his 'all' to be unrelenting, excessive, and impossible to predict. Bit like what some have said about the tiger-knee cannonstrike (only in this case it's more true).
It's true that people have a bigger outlet to whine and demand changes than they used to. But I think the only invalidity of this is when it's actually coming from ignorance and there's more to be learned before demanding nerfs. The idea of demanding a nerf itself doesn't seem wrong to me in principle, however, as I think the opportunity to get a more balanced game is always in theory a good thing.
The question is whether the devs will actually bring the game closer to that ideal--and whether people will realise they have when the efforts are presented, since some things are not obvious.
I think the jury should remain out a bit longer on Yun, but how much longer I can't really say.
I will say that I believe Cammy to be at or near the top, and I think noone has reached near her maximum power yet. I'll decline to say why.
I'd say Poongko's Yun would be stronger than his Seth if he devoted as much time to it. No knock on him, but his Seth's success is partly due to going under the radar due to noone else playing a Seth at that level. And that's legit, it takes nothing away from his achievements. But I think when they run it back his opponents will be ready for him.
@#52
Lol i try to get everyone on the same page by not siding with anyone but also not denying anyone of their personal view point.
Yea Gief is in a tight spot as always, sagat is familiar character with good overall standing against the cast so having a pocket sagat wouldnt be a hindrance as if people were to have a pocket gief to counter Yun. Btw Yuns ex command grab likes to beat wake up U1 from gief <_< You been warned
My personal advice to gief players is to side main thawk, for me i find it easier to fight sagat with thawk than with gief(ex dive and ex condor spire seems to be full projectile immune until it ends, Had it beat out Yun palm too) and having a KD option outside of sweep. Also thawk seems to do well against gief and yun aswell. But i have a awkward play style so results may vary >_>.
And for trolling purposes Hakans slide beats out yuns ex lunge if he wanna be a smartass and try near full screen. And command F+Fierce punch loves to trade with yun moves doing serious counter hit damage(looks to be almost ~190-200)And ex slide likes to punish near full screen palms >:) And if your lucky U2 can snag Ex lunge on reaction or his lk super(hit immune) fk super (projectile immune) for palm spammers. TROLL THEM online yuns Grimm with hakan.
Yun vs Yun
part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naWPw5...
Match starts around 6:30
part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoU4sk...
Match starts around 2:12
@fireinthehole
dude i dont mind at all! quote away! i usually dont post alot but im sorry i had to say it. im sick of some people just repeating literally exact same words as someone else and not going in depth and such. see i admit i may suck at mvc3 and all but at least i would tell you why and id tell you who is seriously cheap and why.
I will post an example of going in depth about a like or dislike of something in a game. I hate x factor because youd think that capcom wouldve taken precaution and watched just how powerful some characters are in it compared to others and justhow fast they are etc but there is definitly a huge gap with some characters like wolverine compared to say zero. if wolverine gets that x factor kiss your characters goodbye because hes way too fast and hes already a rushdown character and he can berserker charge and get even faster so theres not much you can do against him might as well put your controller / stick down as he pounds and slashes your health away :(. if zero gets x factor hes fast and all and recovers like anyone else but still hes not as powerful and definitly isnt as fast. sorry i know this part isnt related to the video about yun but its just an example of going in depth instead of just repeating another persons words.
Street Fighter IV = Fireball Characters
Super Street Fighter IV = Charge Characters
Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition = Rush Down Characters
End Of Story...
Shame the matches are nice but some fools feels the need to advertise his thread so yeah.
Stop crying and moaning about every little sh*t in the game, jeez.
You guys are the reason why Gen was nerfed in Vanilla, why characters like Ibuki or Rose got worse..
You are these guys who talk about: OMG WE WANT NEW CHARACTERS, DUDLEY.. HOLY COW I'M GOING TO MAIN HIM FOR SUUURE.
No you won't. Ever played 3s seriously? I doubt it.
Anyway.. all they need to nerf about the twins are their palms, it shouldn't build meter on whiff or less, like 20 palms for a meter, then it should be fine. If Capcom completely nerfs the twins to death, then It's your fault because they listened to scrubs like you.
I also don't get why everyone is talking about Yun, I bet if Daigo would play Yang, no one would bitch about Yun.
@ firecotton
All these complainers have been playing easy mode.
I think DarkSydePhil once said "If the United States wants to be as good as Japan, we're going to have to cut this easy mode bulls--t, and stop playing the same handful of characters cause it's easy to win. Sit down and learn every character, learn the match up."
Yun is not OP to be honest, it's just that most of his specials are safe on block. The real truth behind this OP issue that you have to know is that the player who main them. Let's have few examples:
-Before SSF4 came out, everybody said that Adon is gonna be trash. Taiwan pride GamerBee shows that they were wrong and win most of his match using him, making a great use of Adon normals. In the end, Adon was nerfed.
-In SF4/SSF4 no one give a damn about Cammy because they think she sucks ball. Japanese legend Sako shows how real man play Cammy with his crazy execution. People get jealous because nobody can play Cammy like he do. In the end, Cammy was nerfed.
-In vanilla SF4 it's undeniable that Sagat is good. Not OP, but just good because of his damage output. Mago has the highest BP of Sagat during vanilla days. Yes I know. BP means nothing, it's just because they play too much. The question is, if anybody think that using Sagat will provide free wins, why is it they don't have the same BP as Mago? This shows that Mago's Sagat is truly exceptional compared to everyone else. In the end, Sagat was nerfed.
My point is, all these nerfed issues are hurting the players reputation and skill which they have dedicated their time to exploit their character to the fullest. Scrubs just easily asked Capcom to nerf certain character without legitimate reasons.
By the way, if we want to make Yun just a little bit more balanced, just a couple things:
-Make EX lunge punch unsafe on block
-Reduce the meter built by shoulder charge and palms on block strings
-Reduce the frame advantage on the st.MP~HP~back+HP chain combo on block
Last but not least, this is just my opinion. Peace no war. :)
its funny i read all the topics on eventscrubs and anything that has to do with yun has over 60 comments or more...this should be old now and if u havent figured out yun yet then u never will...stay free scrubs
@67: I think it's mostly due to the fact they think he was trolling there, despite the numerous tournament players who agree with him...
@68: The Japanese players haven't figured him out and they've had 6 months to our one.
Stay free, fanboys!
lol @69 arent u the scrub who has no credibility on this site?? yea thats u....keep complaining scrub....
His little finger... damn that's creepy. This guy is legit.
@69 Maybe the Japanese couldn't figure out how to beat him but Poongko did!
lol at all the deluded baddies trying to tell Japans most elite players that Yun isn't significantly more powerful than the rest of the cast.
@54 i was refering to jumping fierce or really any jump in it was basically a reference to Guile's four fierce which used a jump in and counted a fireball as fierce. I personally find the link to be very easy it just clicks meantally for me I guess. The point is that is very big frame advantage when you can do a ground fierce to a ground fierce. Even if you lack the execution to pull that link off you are left with insane frame advantage and being that AE is all about rushdown and rushdown is largely about frame advantage her vastly improved normals shine so bright it is easy for me to accept only having EXTKCS. They still blow up crouch teching like nobody's business. Or you could just do her old combos which are still on Fei Long's level of powerful.
THE_GODDAMN_IDIOT: When are you going to post your video of you using Yun; playing for 2 hours, and being top 10 in the world in PP? That's right you're not, because you suck at this game.
Ono never said the twins were overpowered. Eventhubs scrubs did. Ono never refers directly to the twins.
SethkillianRetard: I see you're back to being the fool. Where are those results you were going to post regarding the Japanese tournaments scene. You said Yun was on every single team. I went and look at the SBO qualifiers and this is not true.
When are you guys going to post you playing 2+ hours and only losing 3 matches? Oh that's right, you're not. Kazunoko is an incredible player.
People who suck at the game shouldn't be allowed to even talk about balance.
@81
NerfGuile, I want to ask you what was it that Ono said exactly???
I don't know how to read in Japanese so I can't really verify myself. LOL.
But what I thought he said was that Capcom intentionally made the Twins to be S-Tier when it comes to the professional level of gameplay.
Obviously some of the scrubs here are lying, exaggerating, and purposely blowing things way out of proportions. Some of the scrubs here have claimed that "Ono himself said that capcom purposely made Yun to be broken." "Ono himself said they've intentionally made Yun to be overpowered." Neither of those claims are accurate interpretations of Ono's words obviously.
Yun is extremely strong, yes, but only in the right hands. The amount of Yun's I've played online simply aren't that good. But that's not to say they won't be in a few months. Besides all this about Yun, I'd like to say that I prefer fighting against him, as he's a character that comes at you. Vanilla Sagat, and Super Guile. My lord, now those characters were broken and extremely boring to play against. Turtling throughout the entire match.
Tiger shot/tiger shot/tiger shot/s.RH s.RH ULTRA
Sonic boom/sonic boom/sonic boom-there, I have full meter.
What boring, broken characters Vanilla Sagat and Super Guile were.
AE is a more agressive/proactive style of Street Fighter and I like it. And no, I don't play Yun.
The only people who are fed up with AE are the turtlers from the previous games. Well, I've got some advice for you guys... Get used to it and learn to make a fight exciting. LOL
@85
That's PRECISELY what I've been saying for the last two months.
I've also stated that Yun is S-Tier when it comes to the professional level, but he's still no where near as bad as Vanilla-Sagat and SSF4-Guile.
Matter of fact, I've written an in-depth analysis of why I think that the WORSE character in all SF4 series in terms of being OP is actually SSF4-Guile. Vanilla-Sagat's the 2nd worse.
Matter of fact, I've made two very long threads on this subject matter in the forums section (They are long because I've included EVERYTHING THAT I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT):
http://forums.eventhubs.com/viewtopic...
Now this first thread has been locked up because people, including myself, have been engaging in too much personal insults towards one another.
But I've asked the mods if I can re-open up this discussion because I think that it's sort of important for players of the SF-community. It'll be nice if you can stop by and drop off a few comments on your take about this subject matter:
Honestly I reaction ultra yun's EX lunge punch, its not that hard with a good read on all the band wagon yun's online who'v put like 4 hours into training mode with him, (I use oni) I have some really good pokes to stop his dive kick, and my srk beats his palm, so overall if I zone yun well enough, hes actually in trouble, not to mention oni's above average rushdown and tricky mix-ups give me an edge even when im close, I also used to use rufus in super so I have exstensive practice with divekicks (much more divekick pressure) and how to deal with them, seriously fight a rufus player and you will have a blast dealing with the "OP" divekick that yun has.
Idn Yun's a good character, I think he needs some specific nerfs on an aspect of some of his spiecal moves, but overall I don't want him to turn into rufus all over again, in fact I still mained rufus after the nerfs, but I just found it that much harder to win matchs, lets just say oni's great where he is right? He doesn't have anything ridiculous... youknow like srk fadc or anything.
I would be more impressed by this if these characters weren't so much more powerful compared to the rest of the cast.