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Updated: West Coast Warzone 3 Super Street Fighter 4 Grand Finals, Top 8

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • January 20, 2011 at 2:51 p.m. PST
Update: IPlayWinner has posted the SSF4 top 8 up to their YouTube page.

Also, YFDHippo has been adding footage of the SSF4 team tournament which took place after they shut down the main hall at 2 a.m.

G4TV.com uploaded the grand finals Super Street Fighter 4 set from West Coast Warzone 3, between EG.Ricky Ortiz (Rufus) and 801 Strider (Abel).

Mentioned by SpeedBrkr.

Comments

JasonLee said on January 20, 2011 at 12:48 p.m.

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#1
Von_Kunlun_BOOF said on January 20, 2011 at 12:52 p.m.

The second match, I am. am. am AMAZED by Ricky's performance! He is just letting out a relentless flurry of attacks against Gustavo.

#2
JasonLee said on January 20, 2011 at 12:54 p.m.

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#3
tmfan said on January 20, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.

I'd say currently, Ricky Ortiz is the best US SSF4 player and his Rufus has surpassed Justin Wong's (granted JWong is more zoning-oriented while Ricky is pure rushdown).

#4
CharlieKenSon said on January 20, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.

Ricky aint the best us player but he definitely has the best rufus. So much pressure!

#5
SirDigger said on January 20, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.

double r kelly : D

#6
joh_sehf said on January 20, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.

waaaaay too intense for me

#7
EVOBiohazard said on January 20, 2011 at 1:22 p.m.

God damn it! The show off team won again... But 801 Strider was really good!

#8
A2ZOMG said on January 20, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.

Wow, that was really hype. That Abel was quite impressive to say at the least.

#9
Jaybonaut said on January 20, 2011 at 1:31 p.m.

Finally got to see the last round - if you watched the stream, the bozos switched it to the player cam and left it that way for the entire last round.

#10
Batsu said on January 20, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.

Amazin'

#11
skid5jack said on January 20, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.

christ, the sweat is drippin off me. What a great match.

#12
zUkUu said on January 20, 2011 at 1:37 p.m.

dope

#13
Hrm said on January 20, 2011 at 1:40 p.m.

That was hype.

#14
Sakura said on January 20, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.

Dive kick spam FTW!

#15
TheGodOfPez said on January 20, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.

I REALLY wish I didn't know who won it before I watched that video, even though I would've been hyperventilating lol

#16
powderedtoastman said on January 20, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.

Ayo catalyst, Ipw finally got around to uploading some of the WCW3 videos on there youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/iplaywinn...

#17
Ghier99 said on January 20, 2011 at 2:30 p.m.

I wish I had a dollar for every dive kick in that match. Rufus is the cheapest character in the game and it gets old seeing him win every tournament. At least Yun and Yang cant combo into ultra off a dive kick with no meter.

#18
dommafia said on January 20, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.

try to comment on the video @ g4tv.com and rate it 5 stars to get more support from g4tv for the fighting scene

#19
PzychoNimz said on January 20, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.

Just goes to show really, the dive kick is just too good vs certain characters. They need to tone it down somehow, and probably need to tone Yun/Yangs divekicks as well somehow.

#20
RandomJohn said on January 20, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.

Thanks G4 for the final found in the grand finals. Hence I didn't mention ipw for anything.

#21
powderedtoastman said on January 20, 2011 at 2:43 p.m.

@#19
Yang can combo into ultra off a dive kick without meter. Dive kick> close MK launch> jump cancel into dive kick whiff>U1. Yun doesnt need to be able to do ultra after dive kicks to be effective.

Rufus is good but not cheap, Seems likes he has to rely on his 50/50 game after dive kicks to be effective. Overall seems like rufus is lacking when he doesnt have momentum going in his favor. Catch him meterless in the corner=LOL.

#22
Spiritz said on January 20, 2011 at 2:47 p.m.

Yeah Dive kick is way too good, and in my opinion Jwong has the better Rufus, though I realize Ricky has better results with him. As a player I still think Justin is the best in the US.

#23
Spiritz said on January 20, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.

Though I will say Gustavo as an abel player is right up there with Juicebox if not better.

#24
PzychoNimz said on January 20, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.

@23

Still, I would call him 'kinda' cheap. GT is safe on block (except reversal grap ultra), he's got tons of ways to combo good dmg, including his ultra, EX Messiah Kick is probably the best EX move in the game and he has good health. And dive kicks. So he's 'cheap' vs those who can't really do anything against the dive kicks, but other than that, he's just a really solid character.

#25
powderedtoastman said on January 20, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.

@#26
yea you named most of his pros and barely any cons.
Yea GT is relatively safe on block, but its not like you can just throw it out there without canceling from a normal. so he cant go all bison mode on you and relentless pressure with it. There are plenty of other characters that have moves relatively safe in that regard.

Ill give you the many way to combo into good damage options, but once again hes not alone and there are many others that do more damage in a given situation.

Ex messiah kick is a mixed bag, as a reversal option its good against certain characters... otherwise he will fly over them allowing them to punish him after the fact. Also doesnt do crazy damage and can be safe jumped fairly often. BEST EX move? i wouldnt say so.

Only thing i can correlate to being remotely cheap is his low ass dive kicks, of course option selects can take care of it alot of times. But its the set up after the dive kicks thats usually the problem.

overall tldr "kinda" cheap, not really. Personally i dont play rufus but i know what hes about and his weaknesses. And alot of the things you listed there is someone else with there own list of things that can be compared the same way due to certain match ups.

#26
TwoCoins said on January 20, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.

Yun and Yangs dive kick are height restricted so it's not exactly as spamable as rufus.

#27
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 20, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.

I say jwong has a better rufus, but ricky is more successful right now. Rufus is still a tough character, abel doesnt really have a go-to anti-air that stops divekick a good amount of the time

Nice to see there are still complaints about anyone not a shoto being cheap, regardless of tier list excuses

#28
gattz said on January 20, 2011 at 3:34 p.m.

Wow. Amazing matches. Messiah Kick spam though

#29
MuT3SiL3Nc3 said on January 20, 2011 at 4:26 p.m.

Much respect to 801 Strider for taking it to the final round. :) That is from mass dedication! Good stuff!

#30
RandomDP said on January 20, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.

G4 TV had the rights to this final or something?

Oh well, at least they didn't get Sessler on commentary!

#31
PzychoNimz said on January 20, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.

@27

Fair points, and perhaps another con is he's not the best character to zone with. Don't play Rufus myself, either, but still feel he's kinda cheap, not because of his pros individually, but because of the whole package, though most stems from his insanely good dive kick.

#32
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 20, 2011 at 6 p.m.

Rufus' good dive kick is basically all he's got going along with EX messiah, one for offense and one for defense respectively.

When you realize that, you realize why his divekick has to be so good

#33
powderedtoastman said on January 20, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.

@#33
Honestly the thought of rufus trying to zone didnt even occur to me when i was writing that wall. Seems like all he has is that crouch fierce punch and that is only good until the person figures it out.

@#34
Looks like someone else knows whats up :)

#34
Ghier99 said on January 20, 2011 at 7:38 p.m.

He may not be the best at zoning and he shouldnt be because he is a rushdown character. He does have incredible defense tho. J.RH is probably the best air to air move in the game. It has a huge hitbox, a lot of active frames and combos into EX snake strike or U1. J.RH into EX snake strike did 400 dmg in vanilla and still does a lot. Ricky himself claimed that if he lands that he never loses the round. He can also AA with snake strikes or his c.mp. EX messiah is invincible from 1-16th frame so it basically never loses to other moves. Most ultras dont even have that much invincibility. His U2 is ridiculous as well but is being nerfed thankfully.

#35
powderedtoastman said on January 20, 2011 at 8:23 p.m.

@#36
Incredible defense? lol which consist of mashing out ex messiah kick cause thats gonna be the only thing getting people off him. Everything else you listed is more geared towards his good offense which was already a given.

lol@ bringing up frame data, the move itself(as i explained previous) has inherit flaws, Yes good at plowing thru moves and setting up for ultra... being rufus only go to move makes it predictable. Ryu ex srk have about the same amount of invincibility frames but with a faster start up OMG doesnt mean much.

You ,like the other guy, didnt really mention his flaws thus making it out like rufus has it all. >_< seems like you dont really understand rufus.

#36
lynx_ID said on January 20, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.

I play with rufus, not my main, but I see some things:

first, hes dive kick is very good but is the "key" of he gameplay, also the ex messiah is a good reversal but a lot of characters have one for example ryu.

second, he have decent defense but not a very good like some people say.

Galactic tornado only good use is to finish combos, beside that isnt too good, if you think this is cheap yo havent know bison or balrog.

so rufus ir very good but there are waaaaay more cheap characters, abel was basically raped cuz he dont have a good reversal thats all

#37
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 20, 2011 at 10:25 p.m.

Maybe if you said something like "Rufus has an unfair advantage over x character because of y"but instead people are just saying it's all around cheap when even their precious tier list disagrees...just proves that people don't like anything that gives them trouble and don't want to learn anything

#38
Ghier99 said on January 20, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.

You j.RH to beat ppl jumping at you. Snake strike and c.mp are more offensive??? They are anti airs which is what I said. Also ryu flies up in the air after a EX dp leaving him vulnerable to anything you want to do to him. Rufus gets a free mix up on a lot of characters even if you block EX messiah. Theres only 2 character with more health than him. That is probably more for offense too tho lol.

#39
Deadds said on January 20, 2011 at 10:57 p.m.

Why does everyone keep denying the Ricky's the best US player?

because of what the japanese players said about Wong? whatever

Ricky's the TOP US Tournament player right now.

#40
FADCTAUNT said on January 20, 2011 at 11:33 p.m.

Yay for stupid EX Messiah. Way to win those games.

#41
Markudea said on January 21, 2011 at 12:36 a.m.

I believe Justin Wong is still best US player. The only reason why I wouldn't put Ricky over Justin is because Justin usually beats him when they face-off, but other than that, Ricky's definitely towards the top. I had to play the man in a CvS2 tourney years ago and it wasn't pretty smh. He has my respect :).

#42
Jej said on January 21, 2011 at 12:44 a.m.

that was intense, look like commentators improve themselves too, now they just have to stop screaming "OMG" all the time

#43
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 21, 2011 at 2:05 a.m.

I say jwong is better because jwong would be much harder to play against.

@40

Yea...anti-airs are overpowered how? Do lots of ryu players throw out ex srk randomly?? As much as people jump randomly i guess. Even then i bet ryu has more ways out of jumpins than rufus does so why are people complaining......i wonder since the popularity list has the shotos on top.

Meanwhile rufus is basically free when he doesn't have meter but he's cheap because 2 things work properly. EX messiah is a free mixup on people who don't know how to block and can't find practice mode

#44
Ghier99 said on January 21, 2011 at 7:33 a.m.

only 43 seconds in strider blocks an EX messiah and gets hit by the sweep follow up. He is just a scrub that doesnt know how to block tho. A lot of those make it to grand finals.

#45
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 21, 2011 at 10:10 a.m.

Then at the end of the first game he tries that "mixup" again and gets himself ultra'd. Funny thing is that rufus' REAL mixup comes after his divekick, and that Abel actually has fare more mixups that are far worse.

#46
Anti_Hero said on January 21, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.

@46 someone who makes it to the grand finals and takes a fight to the very last round against ricky is hardly a scrub

#47
powderedtoastman said on January 21, 2011 at 12:15 p.m.

@Ghier99

persistent arent you, @ your post #40, you named a few anti air normals as if they are cheap or something(bison, ryu, seth, juri and others are able to use anti air normals into ultra). Snake strike being used as a defensive move is a bad idea usually so yes it is more towards offensive. And c. mp is pretty good at anti airing neutral jumpers that are stuck in the corner thus why i said "geared" towards offensive.

Also you said how ryu flies up into the air after ex shoryu when comparing it to ex messiah. Its not like ryu cant fadc outta it right? lol. Rufus gets free mix ups after a blocked ex messiah? there is a sizable gap between when the overhead or sweep comes out, there is NOTHING free about that.

Only 2 characters with more health? there are plenty of others with equal health as rufus with a good damage output too and also rufus has below average stun.

@ your post #46

Abel is one of the unfortunates that ex messiah wont fly over his head when hit while crouching. Seems like he was trying to punish it and messed up not like it happened that often so calling him a scrub is uncalled for. And seeing how he came outta nowhere im sure his matchup experiences arent that knowledgeable and he was learning pretty well on the fly.

#48
Ghier99 said on January 21, 2011 at 3:09 p.m.

Wow you guys are that dumb huh? #45 said EX messiah is only a free mix up if you cant block or find practice mode. I pointed out that strider got hit by it and SARCASTICALLY said he doesnt know how to block and must be a scrub. I never said rufus anti airs are cheap if you can actually read. I said he has a good defense which he does. Sure you can fadc EX dp for 3 bars and you have to if you dont wanna lose a ton of health. With EX messiah you can wait to see if it hits because you fadc the last hit.

#49
MadnessFamilyguile said on January 21, 2011 at 7:14 p.m.

Rufus doesn't have good defense if he doesn't have meter,t hat's well known. Sorry, you still can't jump at him like an idiot. With EX SRK you can do the same thing, only it comes out in 3 hits which is ovbviously better than EX messiah.

#50
Raven said on January 22, 2011 at 11:26 a.m.

Rufus's U2 was probably nerfed because scrubs kept trying to jump (like they do against me).

For a game called "Street Fighter," the word cheap gets thrown around far too much. You focus on not being good enough to adapt, instead of learning a counter to a specific problem.

Rufus is not cheap, because you have to be extremely good with him to be successful. Why do you think he's so rare online? Compared to brain-dead characters like Ryu or Balrog. His dive kick should be good, he's a "rush down" character. I don't think he is too cheap or too good. I think some kids on this site have poor discipline and poor match-up knowledge. Blame yourselves.

#51


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