Submitted by H0t and Zerenade.
Why do people act like it's so impossible?
I cleared all the trials in both SFIV and SSFIV with a pad in and under 48 hours after purchase. (job getting in the way posed time limitations.)
People need to get over this fixation on arcade sticks and come to grips with the reality of the fact that people all over are capable of doing this without a stick.
It's not mission impossible, folks. If you're used to using a PS pad already, then your only difficulty is just getting the timing down.
Seriously.
Is it really so hard to perform at a high level with a pad that it's a huge accomplishment to do the trials with one? just asking because I never really grew up playing much arcade, I recently bought a stick and I havent really gotten used to it yet...
..and the way he's holding the controller? It's clear that he's a stick player for life, but that's really all there is to it.
I don't really see the point of carrying a stick-handed style over to a controller as if it's supposed to be a remarkable feat. It isn't. The more you actually go out to play with groups of other players as opposed to online, you'll see it much more often than you're being lead to believe.
Online is not all there is to Fighting games, people.
@#8 exactly. his page gets blown up with 'I wish I could do the trials but mom wont buy me a tee eeeeee ;_;'
#8
Again, Struggling pad players only need to get the timing down. Nothing else.
Also, if the point WAS to give help to struggling pad players, the person in the vid is doing a huge disservice by holding the controller in the manner shown. All pad players need is a visual to see when the hits are supposed to connect and the on-screen inputs.
They don't really need to see the hands at all. It's just like teaching a person how to pronounce a word by use of syllables.
Actually teaching someone how to play a game by holding the controller in front of them and showing how the button presses correspond on-screen is one of the best if not the best ways to teach someone how to play (I have a lot of experience teaching people how to play shooting and fighting games).
So I disagree.
Especially in the case of these trials, there are some where the manner in which you press or hold buttons is important. Of course it makes sense to show the controller (Also it's not like he's taking away from the experience by showing his hands... you can still see everything going on in the trial stage).
#11
"Actually teaching someone how to play a game by holding the controller in front of them and showing how the button presses correspond on-screen is one of the best if not the best ways to teach someone how to play"
Yeah, but that only works when you're teaching somebody how to PLAY, not teaching them how to do the combos in a trial., that's two completely different things.
"(I have a lot of experience teaching people how to play shooting and fighting games)."
Not that it matters, but I've been doing the same and I fully understand you, but that changes absolutely nothing at all.
I made an example with Syllables for a reason. It's easier to teach with syllables than it is with written words without audio cues. In the same manner, it is easier to teach Combos in the trials by showing people what it looks like in action when performed properly as it's a gigantic visual cue.
The Tekken and Soul Series does this in the Practice modes with the command lists having inputs, yet being able to show you what the proper input looks like in animation (Tekken goes one step further and shows the inputs in sync with the commands.)
Yea i don't understand why certain people find it impressive if you can play sf4 well on a pad.
And no I don't hold the pad like this guy. I hold my PS3 controller regularly (thumb to press the four shape buttons and the pointing fingers on the L and R buttons. Also my buttons aren't default settings.
#13/Stubbs
I didn't say nobody does. The idea is that it's of a small minority.
I've seen it about 5 times in my entire run of playing fighting games. I've been hardcore on the genre since 1993 and I've got enough sense to tell a natural pad player apart from an stick-player whose transitioned to a pad.
True, some pad players might hold a controller that way, but the point is that he's naturally a stick player. With the way he holds a pad right along with how he manages his inputs, he's showing signs of stick-style with each combo with his input tells.
I'm not implying it's never done, I'm only pointing out the fact and nothing more. Get it?
When I play pad, I switch the shoulder buttons, so PPP and KKK are on the right. Anyone else do this? I use stick most of the time unless there's only one stick and 2 people. Actually I did all the trials with ps3 pad, SE, stick, and TE stick. I did most of them with SE before getting a TE and lemme tell you its a bitch to hit links. the buttons arent sensitive enough but i managed to pull through. PS3 pad was used for the really fast and repetitive stuff like Ryu 21 and Fuerte 24...cuz my wrists got tired after trying them alot lol
Trololol the guys holds his pad like some1 who lacks motor skills. There is nothin interesting about pad players. Whats the deal with this...? tons of ppl can do this stuff
That's how I play! :D
PS3 standard pad, and I love it.
I'm using Classic Controller for TvC on Wii, perfect practice for MvC3 on PS3. Never owned a Stick, although I'm looking for one for kicks, but I like using standard controllers, they're easier for me and I think I do great in matches.
Umm...it really ain't all that hard to do the tria,ls on a ps3 pad...I have a platinum trophy in vanila& & super by completing the trials on a ps3 pad. I can see if it was an xbox 360 pad...
but yea...not impossible...but it is difficult. Stop hypin it up
Perhaps some people misinterpreted this as a show off video. This was made simply as a tribute to pad players.
@#20
There is nothing wrong with holding the controllers like that and actually a bit more beneficial doing so. it is easier to drum across buttons with 2-3 fingers than solely relying on your thumb to move all over the place. I personally have to resort to holding the controller in a similar fashion when playing tekken or mvc2.
Tekken likes to have moves the require you to hit triangle and X or square and circle at the same time and trying to hit them with just the thumb isnt gonna happen really due to placement.
and mvc2 being faster paced and once again the easier to hit 2 face buttons at once with 2 fingers than one when trying to do supers or tag out, unless of course binding some attacks to the shoulder buttons so you can use index and thumb at once. but ive gotten used to default set up.
#24
....painful for a tribute.
and the reason why it's a problem? Look at the comment that came posted with it:
"This is something you don't see every day."
That's a bad case of 'one-sided point-of-view'. It's an everyday thing, but just never posted on youtube since it's so commonplace that nobody would be bothered with wanting to do it.
This is something I see every day. When I clear a character a day. Actually, I see the 360 pad instead, though. I'm currently on Bison's trials.
I've been putting it off for a while since I cleared them all once before, but lost the save when I sold the HDD (yargh). Never wanted to do it again.
i did all the trials on a ps3 controller pretty fast when the game came out but i dont my own super cool youtube video =( lol
I play with a 360 controller. It's hard. Stop downplaying it.
The very moment i used a fightstick i was able to perform charge character moves effortlessly by just wiggling the stick.
There is a difference and it makes a difference in high-level play.
Wow, you trolls are total ass sometimes.
This is why people who regularly contribute to the community cease to do so after a while. The obvious point of this video was to prove that, although it's more difficult to perform the trials on the pad, it's possible if you work at it. Some of you are acting like Vesper threatened to kill and eat your family.
Also, whoever keeps saying "pad players just need to learn timing" is oversimplifying the problem and making a horrible assumption. If you have undisputed proof that this is EVERY pad player's problem, then you might have an argument; however, you do not.
Just enjoy the damn video, it's fantastic and every pad player (hell, every SF player) should appreciate the work he put into it.
TL;DR version: Ignore Ice9, or else he'll poison your mind with ignorance.
it was a joke plus, i have it for both systems. i was looking for your impressions, all im stating is that there is a lot more people like myself who have completed these trials on the controllers and they worship this guy like he's god. impressive yes, im not taking any credit away from him, just saying since he made a youtube video of it, the noobs love him and praise him, but i know alot of people who have completed 100% on controllers so this isnt anything new to me.
I think its cool he did the trails period. but, on the note of playing a pad this vid really doesn't help those who would want to learn to play on a pad holding the controller a tradition way. I do mine the traditional way.which require good timing and a good left pointer and middle finger lol.
i agree after switching to a stick i still find using a pad alot easier. hell i been using a pad for close to 20 yrs, so most trails are not that hard on a pad imo.... its just things like blanka/guiles ultra that kinda proved a problem.
but its nice to see some one who holds the pad same way i do, but thats more to fact its how i used to hold the pad when i played tekken and ive carried it thro to other fighting games untill i started using a stick
but imo its alot easier pulling off fadc to ultra combos like ryus dp to ultra 1 on a pad than it is on a stick, but again thats more to fact i been using a stick for 6 months and a pad for 20 odd yrs
end of day its all personal pref... i grw up in ireland where there is no arcade scene,
"Why do people act like it's so impossible?"
Because not everyone has been playing as long as you or anywhere near as often...
Never ceases to amaze me the people who say "I've been playing 15/25 years and it ain't so hard". Well, yeah, anyone who's been playing that long would find it easy...
That's pretty hard to do on a 360 pad though A PS3 pad im not sure due to the fact i don't own SSF4 for my PS3 yet but this was a really fun treat to watch.
ive been playing for like 2yrs so not 15 and i did all the trials, its because i just tried and tried and tried again until i finally got them, guess yu can im a loser lol but idc trials are alot funner then ranked since most of the ranked people just play ryu, bison, balrog, or ken and just mash or grab, same tactics all day. i have a solid 2600 and i havent touched it since all i do is endless now. i wish people would attempt to do trials and get great at the game instead of being just cheap.
I play on a PS3 controller too! Yes, it's really up to player skill in the end. Man, I SUCK playing with the controller compared to that guy but that's okay! I didn't need a stick to help me earn my wins (the magnitude of which is equal to that of all my losses)lol.
I completed all the trials for this and BlazBlue with the normal X360 controller, and struggled when I got my first arcade stick in November/December.
I still need to practice a lot before I get as good with a stick.
Some of you should read the comment on the youtube vid page instead of automatically assuming things. This is a tribute to pad players, he's not trying to bash on anyone and this isn't one of his tutorial vids. It's a simple tribute vid, and it implies you don't need to buy an expensive stick to be good at the game. It's all up to the player. Yes, we've all completed the trials with sticks and pads, who cares. That's not the true point of this vid.
topdawg122:
I kinda pointed it out earlier in my last post.
The listing post states "This is something you don't see every day." That is primarily what I and some others are responding to.
TioClone:
I'm pretty sure your response changes little next to nothing in the long run. If you're going to insult a person for their opinion, at least try to target what you have a problem with in their opinion.
My person =/= my opinion.
If the listing post sensationalizes something that's commonplace, of course people are going to notice it's in error.
SaikyoRyu:
Same goes for a stick. It works both ways, not just the one way. There's no difference.
What you might not be clear on is that most people that purchase the game don't care to go to tournaments or other game-outing events, so it's understandable if a few people out there aren't used to seeing it, but that doesn't automatically apply to the rest of the world.
in the end i bet there is thousands of unbelivable players maybe guys we will never hear about that play with pad that could beat all the top players but some people r happy just to be a beast at home and dont care much for tournements everyone is diffrent plus a lot of countries dont have an arcade scene so pad is all they know like me i play with ps3 pad and the d-pad on it is amazing for sf and the button layout is suberb much better than the x box or the madcatz pad overall it comes down to the player not what he uses to play the game with.. if anything i think a dpad is better for certain things like dashing.
Not trying to be a dick....but I've completed like 98% of the trials on super street fighter with a pad...Pretty much done all apart from fuertes last one and a couple of guiles.
PierceHinchon:
Don't worry, you aren't. It's entirely understandable and really isn't much of a big deal. The console comes with a controller and most people that bought the game don't use sticks.
The trials in the game are there for people to complete, so it's not exactly rocket science that people would be able to do it with a pad considering that you're already given tools provided to work with it.
# 17 is right. i never play a pad like that until tekken5 because i saw it done at my first tournament. the thing is you only see that from people who go to tournaments and learn that from someone. most people don't hold there pad like that because that's not how the pad was made it has 2 handles for a reason.Also notice how he holds the stick against a hard surface just like a stick player.the man who told me about this say to hold it against my leg if a table isn't around.
There's no benefit to playing on stick over pad or vice versa. Arcade players will probably argue the stick is designed to give the best performance and accessibility and ease of use. I disagree. Didn't grow up an arcade player so never played on stick until recently. I'm a pad player and I can do anything at all on pad (not trying to brag but merely showing that there is no extra benefit to using either as it comes down to each person's ability). There are pad players and there are stick players, it's down to each person to decide what they like, neither is better
LOL@ #2 (Ice9) .....Claiming he cleared ALL trials in 48 hours for both games with all characters....Purest form of BS EVER!!! And says he did it with a pad too!!!! I bet he is super rich and buff too right?
wow dats KewL