glad to see makotos there lol

0: Gouken, Rose, Dan, El Fuerte, Hakan

WOW That can't be right. Sako is using Rose right?

Can't wait until DLC. AE looks like its gonna be a ton of fun. It's gonna take a while until I figure out the Yun/Yang math-up, but a breath of fresh air isn't something to complain about.

What happened to my El Fuerte and T. Hawk...

Yeah Daigo "Zangief top tier" there's only two in the top 100 damn shame. That one Gen player was Amiyu he was in the top 20 for a while until he fell to the Yang/Yun army at least he rep the low tier.

@2 it means in the top 150 odds are the might show up in the top 200.

Sako uses Yang in AE

#1 ELF player plays in the Game Center I go to (50 Yen), sometimes it's just a case of playing more. He doesn't have so many games but his win rate is HIGH. If he played more he'd have over 40,000BP for sure.

One of those Rufus players too I get to play a lot. and Adon. And Uryo Sakura and Haitani Makoto.. sigh.

No chance for my rubbish Guy ;)

About Sako,

he really doesn't play much AE it seems. His Cammy doesn't have many game either but a crazy win rate IIRC (90%+)

i wonder how these will change with Oni and Evil Ryu

Flowchart Yun

Yun... no surprise he's high tier which is insane.

@#11 I don't see the list changing much with evil and oni. They have their strengths, but they also have flaws that I think limit them to high mid at most. Evil just takes too much damage (well, imo at least, I know seth and akuma players might shrug off my opinion) and Oni... not sure what to say about him. He gets predictable, though he mas many bait tactics. Just nothing I feel gives either of them "high tier" material to work with.

Well. Gouken's buffs were total worthless in the usage charts haha.

I really need to know which Game Center they go to to fight them, I haven't seen any of the top 20 player in the Game Center I go to in Shinjuku....

Capcom Wins!
Just think about how many Tokens it's taken to build up that BP chart!

Squall: go to Safari Ikebukuro... Mago, Daigo, Tokido, Kazu no Ko, etc etc.

in Osaka; PASCA (My arcade), Gameland ACE, AVION, Monogatari Nakamozu, and a bunch of others.

@#16 Daigo, Mago, Nemo, Ojisan-boy and probably many other strong players play in Ikebukuro "Game Safari". It's 50 Yen a game. Maybe i'll go and play 10 seconds against them one day... ><

Thanks guy for the answer ! Is is far from the station ? When are they playing over there ? Everyday, no matter what hour ?

It's about 4 min walk from the East exit, close to the Parco and Bic Camera. Here's a map.
http://www.nepoca.com/StoreInfo/3761
Looking at their total number of matches, i'd say these guys go everyday or almost. Looks like Daigo is there right now.

@Grimmjow316

"Yeah Daigo "Zangief top tier" there's only two in the top 100 damn shame. That one Gen player was Amiyu he was in the top 20 for a while until he fell to the Yang/Yun army at least he rep the low tier."

Daigo never said Zangief was top tier. He said Zangief has tools to beat top tier characters. That doesn't mean the same thing as being top tier. Please learn to read.

In case you guys didn't know anything about Sako he is known for mostly staying at home. Only recently did he begin to travel.

This is just a usage chart. There's no need to exaggerate its signifigance.

#14 I'm srry, but evil Ryu is going to be top did you see the section posted about what he can do!!? He can low punch dp to ultra 1 n has tons of ways to cmb into both ultras. His ex tatsu does not miss anymore, n in the corner after ex tatsu he can land both full ultras. Evil Ryu will be top I assure u.

Daigo has more AE fights than me in SF4+SSF4 console edition together!!!

by the way wa 75842 his bp is definitely NOT 75842, fail copy pasting

I can't imagine playing that many matches. I barely play 100 matches over the course of a month. Just don't have time or interest to play that long.
I guess that's why I could never be a top player.

...Nobody is picking dan. So much for being "Balanced"

@ above

AE is not balance. SSF4 was balance. IF AE Dlc is release i wont even bother getting it. Thats how bad capcom is right now.

When the dlc for AE bomb. Capcom will probably say something stupid like " This new DLC was the most balance thats why people dont like it" <<< bs stuff like that to make accuse why they suck balls. Lost interest.

MvC 3 is the way to go. right now its fun. but waiting on the patch to balance thigs out.

Hahaha, are you seriously comparing MVC3 to AE in balance?

Hahaha, are you honestly comparing MVC3 balance to AE balance?

I find it balanced for the most part with a few characters with tool deficits. That's all imo. There should be no reason why new characters Capcom add should be bad. The game got better imo.

Your sticking to MVC3 due to balance problems in SSF4?(ae) (Not to repeat off of the dude ahead of me) For real? Id love to see your face when everyone hops off of that bandwagon in a month or so.

lmao #30 you must be mentally ill if you think mvc3 is balanced. X-Factor + sentinel make the game not fun because of how cheap they are.

@Aerials

Sentinel is annoying but once you're on the attacks close up he's in big trouble cuz he's slow and big. You can use multiple infinites against Sentinel and he cant do anything unless he has x factor. He has a pretty good advantage against a lot of the other heavy-weights but thats why you have 3 characters.

To be on topic:
SSF4 was pretty much balanced except for Rufus's U2 and Abel's U2 and Makoto not having a solid focus break. The arrival of Yun and Yang seems to stir up a lot in the arcades, it makes me doubt if ae is really all that balanced (I mean dive kick AND command grab?) But Im glad Viper is considered top 10 material. I always said that Viper could be top 10 if she's played right, but your execution has to be on point.

@36

Agreed, Sentinel can be stopped, easily. You just can't be afraid of him.

I am not saying sf4ae is balanced or not, but there is a better chance to have a beter balance than mvc3. Wait until they find cheap ways of using some characters, then it would be mvc2 all over again. CvS3 for the win.

MvC3 is a lot different than marvel 2 and Sentinel isn't really that cheap. He is really slow and as someone mentioned he has a huge hitbox and once you are in with a fast character he is done if Sent doesn't play correctly. If you let Sentinel chip you out with XFactor that is completely your fault for letting him do that in the first place.

Yea Blanka SO needed the nerfs. Along with all the other mid-tier chars that got nerfed. Silly AE.

16: Yun
12: Yang, Fei Long, Sagat
9: Ken
7: Akuma
6: C. Viper, M. Bison (Dictator), Makoto
5: Ryu, Sakura
4: Cody, E. Honda, Guile, Chun Li
3: Abel, Balrog (Boxer), Dhalsim, Rufus, Seth, Vega (Clay), Blanka
2: Zangief, Cammy, Guy, Adon, Dudley, Ibuki, T. Hawk
1: Gen, Dee Jay, Juri
0: Gouken, Rose, Dan, El Fuerte, Hakan

OVER half the cast is 3 or less.

FAIL.

Wasn't he slow in mvc2, then what about the other famous 4, mag, storm etc. Very soon we they would have infinities with some characters. Good luck mvc3, I ain't interested. Japan ain't buying this.

Daigo plays way too much, no woner he's #1. Mago still the best.

@22 from day one of AE he continues and still does places Gief in the top ten and look at the top 20 nothing but characters that Gief supposedly defeats Plus they have all said he is top tier because supposedly he can hang with the twins & Fei but so far nothing btw you copied the whole line why?

@36 about ssf4 Rufus u2 was fine IMO it was stupid btw to lower the damage of his ex messiah WTF the only thing is they have been saying viper is top ten for the longest but she rarely fairs very well in tournaments considering she has had the least changes out of any character from the three versions of the game. Also there is a match where Yun just shut Viper down like nothing in an AE Team Tourney in Japan.

There's a typo on the Top 150 list. It says Vega (Clay).

Super Yun fighter 4?

Super Street Fighter 4: 3rd Edition

Lmao @ people saying "is you fault if Sentinel kills you in X-factor".

How about "it's your fault if vanilla Sagat hit you for a 600+ damage combo off a TU"?

You clearly know about balancing.

damn.. I was so excited at the thought of a mid tier gouken. not even 1!! wow

and they laughed at me for saying Yun and Yang will be the new Ryu/Sagat. lol whos the fools now (not you EventHubs, im talking about a different website).

@50 why do i picture this with Bison's laughter (looks at name) oh yeah

I was staying positive, but this shows that they really messed up the game. So many loved characters down there.
Even Abel seems messed up. Terrible move Capcom.

@#23, you may be right. Each is entitled to his/her opinion. However, the winning ratio says otherwise. Still, they are on the same level in my humble opinion. I have no preference.

@#43, you may be right. Each is entitled to his/her opinion. However, the winning ratio says otherwise. Still, they are on the same level in my humble opinion. I have no preference.
I meant 43 instead of 23

You guys should all stop worrying about the pros' percentages. For the average gamer I doubt there will be that much imbalance.

"In case you guys didn't know anything about Sako he is known for mostly staying at home. Only recently did he begin to travel. "

it looks like you are the one that don't know anything about Sako. He is one of the 2d fighting game god in Japan and went to arcade and tournaments alot. You can search youtube for those tournament vids.

He didn't want to SSF4 tournaments unless he can bring his wife, according to valle. when you got married, your priority in life changes.

@ 22, in one of the first japanese articles that came out post AE daigo said that gief is one of the top, and based most of is tier assumptions on the gief match up, its in the archive on eventhubs some where

Does that list show that Cody isn't used much at all?
Did Cody get buffs or nerfs in AE?

@58 He got buffs mostly it shows which characters are being heavily used and which players are ranking in the top with said character.

@59: Thank you.

I wonder how much the list will change when Evil Ryu and Oni Akuma are available?

Where are the Super Yun/Yang Fighter 4 shops? I've already seen Sentinel vs. Sentinel 3. Come on, people.

Ok, I gotta get this off my chest. These posts are getting repetitive.

Regarding the famous "Zangief" quote: It doesn't matter who's actually "top tier" if nobody is bothering to use these characters. We all know that in the right hands Boxer, Gief, Dhalsim, Rufus and Sagat are beasts. But how many are on the Japan list? Doesn't mean those characters aren't good. It means nobody cares to use them right now. Don't worry, when it comes to console and you face over 30 ryus a day, 50 kens and akumas...not to mention the obvious Boxers and Rufus wagon riders, then everybody's gonna start singing a different tune. And of course Yun and Yang is good..Capcom has to make it that way so people will play them and keep the game feeling fresh.

And the whole Fei Long talk is just dumb. We ain't Mago or Naruo. Other than those two, NOBODY on the list is using them...or at least trying to main them. Saying that Fei is top tier because TWO guys are kicking butt with them is because they are the only ones WILLING to spend the quarters, and stick with that character and master all match-ups, strengths and weaknesses. If you think that when AE comes to console that you're gonna see 20 Fei Longs a day like you're used to seeing Ryus...you're only fooling yourself. Fei Long requires true skill, good timing and patience. Everyone else just wants quick results...so fireball spamming, and finding the cheapest Ultra characters are the trend these days. You look at almost every Mago match....how many times you see him land an Ultra? He doesn't even rely on them like the 80% of mans online who love to scrub one out on wake up or after a dragon punch every time they're about to lose.

I mean lets talk facts...How many Ryus are on that list? So because Daigo doesn't use him anymore Ryu sucks?! I bet if he picked RYU right now on AE he could still beat 90% of everybody on that list REGARDLESS of a stupid tier list. But Daigo moves to another character for whatever reason and now all of a sudden Ryu has vanished from the tier list radar?!

People need to just practice more and stick with a character they actually LIKE to use instead of using some tier list or Tournament outcome to determine what character they want to use.

Enough bout that..

Its interesting to see whats happening with MVC3. Everybody is on the Sentinel jock, but Justin Wong destroyed everybody who uses Sentinel with WOLVERINE and now what?!? So Wolverine is top tier now because of Justin? or is it that JUSTIN actually spent some time PRACTICING on match-ups and what are sentinel's weaknesses and learned how to exploit them? Practice people! Don't rely on YouTube and Tournaments to teach you everything. Justin isn't using YouTube or even EventHubs for that matter to teach him how to beat an Xfactor Sentinel...Practice mode is.

Chunli is my favorite. Check out Rising-Super Hero, Marcus Hopkins Action Reel 2011 !! Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7T36C...

@63: To sum it up, we live in a copy cat world and characters don't make the player it is the player who makes the character..So stop following and start practicing your own thing.

Posted by Johnry on February 21, 2011 at 12:01 p.m. #55

You guys should all stop worrying about the pros' percentages. For the average gamer I doubt there will be that much imbalance.

Well said

WinstonChurchill

Yeah because pro stats never really mattered for the "average gamer" right?

Overpowered Sagat placing high on tournaments, everyone whoring him on the online.
Same sh-t with Ryu on Super. Everyone using him as easy mode.

These stats say a lot of what will happen with AE DLC. Learn from the past.

There was nothing overpowered with Sagat. It's your excuse for sucking at the game. Thoughts like "Oh I lost to Sagat, well that bitch is overpowered anyway!" or "Oh I'm against Sagat, now I won't win for sure!" cripple your game and you'll continue on being a scrub forever until you accept that you blow and start practicing countermesures and focus. But you won't anyway, you'll just keep on crying in EventScrubs/GameFAGS/4chan/other popular crummy gaming site how character X is overpowered. Stay free.

@68 lol really nothing overpowered in vanilla guess you rode the tier bandwagon

its not about if gief it top tier, everyone was correcting #22 who said daigo never said gief is top tier when thats clearly what he said. We all know its he player not the character. and people copy, just like when Jwong said chun was top tier and everyone use her then Jwong lost to gamer be and all you played were adons, and now with all the fei long talk everyone is using him now. people play who the top players say are the strongest, its just the way it is dude. btw, even capcom said vanilla sagat was OP so quit trying to sound cool.

I main guy. and I'll be the first to tell you the you can win any match up bad or not, fei long is very strong but if the person sucks with him or doesn't know the match up, or you're just down right the better player, you can still win.

but on other hand even Hakan can seem OP if you don't know what you're doing

To anyone that reads this, I have just got done breaking and demolishing my copy of Super Street Fighter. The reason why is because it's my 3rd copy that I have purchased. They have all broken through the center due to a crack on the disc. It might be due to the heat from the system, plus putting it back into it's hard plastic case. But honestly I am DONE with super doo doo fighter 4, I could care less for the Arcade doo doo edition release and capcom for making cheap non-durable game discs. I would also like to add, that mvc3 is a doo doo game too. That game was made for people who like GUNS and LASERS and PROJECTILE things flying at they're faces! The end.
PS. Die capcom.

When Diago mains Ryu, 30% of the players follows;
Once Diago switched to Guile, it stirs Guile popularity too.
Now Diago switched to Yun, major crowds follows.

What if Diago switched to Dan?

Why so many people follow Diago's ass? Be yourself!

@#71: You need to be delicate with the discs [carefully extract the cd from the ps3 or xbox] and keep itbstored in a cool place.

@72: I thought it was common knowledge Daigo dictates the tier list because he dictated where Ryu was in SF4 [Despite the fact Sagat was supposedly a better character] and SSF4.

It's just a shame people are followers and can't do their own thing. They truly will never enjoy the game that way.

@68 Hey you, stay gay. Okay?

The statement "Sagat is not overpowered" as almost as ludicrous when someone white supremacist loser exclaims "The Holocaust never happened!".

Correction: "Some," not "someone."

@68

Sagat was OP. i wouldnt go as far as broken (SFA2 Shin Akuma, Gill SF2 Akuma etc...) but he was an easy tool to win. do you not remember the countless trade into ultra=50% of your bar gone? and how bout his standing RH hitting characters from almost full screen away, WITH TWO FU**ING HITS!!? lol he was OP. but Super everything was good. a few minor nerfs and buffs here and there (like killing Gen and Blanka lol jk) and AE would be a very good and balanced game. but now we have Yun and Yang who are stronger then over 75% of the cast. we have characters who have gone from bad to worse and now to mega-dung heap...like Blanka and Gen. basically it started with bad, went to good then ended up in supreme rising poopy (assuming AE is unbalanced that is)

NINJA, if you lose to ryu you need more practice :) These stats dont mean jack sh1te in the grand scale of things because the minority are 'not' on the same level as Mago & crew.

@samuraix025

"its not about if gief it top tier, everyone was correcting #22 who said daigo never said gief is top tier when thats clearly what he said."

Let me correct you this is Daigo's exact words "Zangief is also very strong but he has a lot of characters that he loses to, so I don’t think you can really call him a true top tier character."

Is Daigo "CLEARLY" saying he's top tier in that quote?

WinstonChurchill

Where does that "if you lose to ryu you need more practice" come from and what does it have to do with this subject or what I said? Nothing?
I lose to Ryu as much as you do. And as everyone does. It depends on the player.
That has nothing to do with the fact that as I said, these stats say a lot of what will happen with AE DLC for the "average gamer".

Cool, whatever you say ninja

@63

I want you to know that people aren't saying Fei Long is top tier because two guys are owning with him, they're saying it because Mago has said Fei is higher tier than Yun and Yang. Daigo has said Fei is higher tier than Yun and Yang. Tokido... Nemo... the list goes on. I'm not saying he's a character that takes no skill, but don't get confused. People are reading pro thoughts and just repeating what they see the pros say. To be honest though, who would you listen to, some random joe, or a pro. Don't be so uptight, man.

@81

Trust me, I understand what you're getting at..

I'm more frustrated at the guys who read lists like this and then go make bonehead comments like so and so sucks or so and so are beasts just because some TOURNAMENT calibre player is using them or no longer using them. I'm sure if Sako was dominating more with Rose in AE, and destroying the competition, all of a sudden one guy flips the tier scales and That character is now in consideration for top 5. That's why I mentioned Fei Long. Cause when you face facts...Dee Jay and Gen got crazy buffs for AE yet Nobody is really taking any true breakthrough dominance since the buffs...or maybe nobody cares to try them out yet. (Jap players that is..) So when I see comments like "Gief sucks now" or Where's Guile on the list? Its like saying: If the Japs don't use them, don't bother either. That's just stupid. ITS A JAP LIST NOT A TIER LIST!

If less people play that char there is less chance of them being in the top 50-200..

Here are the current character usage ratings (Admin: can you maybe add this to the post

9.5% Ryu
7.1% Ken
5.1% Gouki
4.6% Yun
4.2% Sagat
4.1% Juri (!)
3.6% Chun-Li
3.5% Zangief
3.4% Boxer
3.2% Sakura
3.1% Yang
2.9% Dictator
2.9% Cody (!)
2.7% Guile
2.7% Cammy
2.6% Makoto
2.5% Fei Long
2.3% Blanka
2.3% Claw
2.2% Abel
2.2% Ibuki
1.9% Dudley
1.7% Honda
1.6% Guy (my boy!)
1.6% Rufus
1.6% C.Viper
1.5% T.Hawk
1.4% Dhalsim
1.4% Deejay
1.4% Adon
1.2% Rose
1.2% Gouken
1.2% El Fuerte
1.1% Hakan
1.0% Dan
1.0% Seth
0.8% Gen (One of them is me too)