Reece sent over kill stats for the top 16 portion of the Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 tournament at the recently concluded SoCal Regionals 2011 event.Zero killed only 2 characters while dying 10 times. Phoenix and her Dark sister only got two total kills as well, both on a single Dark Phoenix activation that was one of only two all tournament. Players seemed to have adapted quite well to Phoenix play, so much so that the nerf meant she didn't even make the cut of most teams, with only two of the final sixteen even running her at all.
Wesker was the most hyped character coming into the tournament, finding a place on exactly half of the top 16 teams. However, he did not seem to make that much of a difference late in the bracket, the the Wesker teams did no better or worse than Wesker-less ones. Of the eight Weskers in the top 16, only four made Top8. Of those, only 2 made Top4, and of those two only one was in the finals. In other words, Wesker teams seemed to win about as often as Player 1 teams did. In fact, Wesker-less teams went 9-7 against Wesker teams on the final day after Justin won two in a row against MINE to take 1st in a grand final reset. Wesker as a character was lackluster as well: he got just 36 kills for 44 deaths. “Dark” Wesker only showed his eyes three times all tournament and, while he never was killed, he only racked up 4 kills in total.
Isn't this a perfect example of why games should rarely ever be rebalanced?
I AGREE WITH YOU MANDINGO
But i have to say that if half of them had weskers then wesker is by faR the most played character at the top and about how many times wesker die is because people go out to finish wesker even if it requires x-factor but when wesker near-kills a character he is not going to go the extra mile to finish as most of them like viscant go for cheap mix-ups afterward which means a lot of people got to survive and tag-out
your right people are going the extra mile to kill wesker like using all the bar they have or x-factor just like what they did to akuma back in vanilla but that puts them in a meterless or x-factorless situation....
statistics are often misleading when you don't put it into real life comparison...
36 kills for 44 deaths does not describe how much damage wesker does to a team as it only shows a lot of weskers not " finishing there plate " on an individual character but now wesker is targeted like vanilla wolverine , tron , akuma assists people are burning all there bars and x-factor to kill wesker,,,
YOU WILL GET THE BEST PERSPECTIVE BY ACTUALLY WATCHING THE MATCHES AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I SAid IS TRUE...
In a breaking development, Capcom has released a game called Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 that has 48 characters that can be chosen in teams of 3, leading to an amazing 17296 different team choices.
However, half of the players at popular southern California tournament SoCal Regionals forgot that the team could accept input of 3 unique characters in a team, and only chose two characters of their own volition, with the third always being a character called "Wesker". Resulting in only 1081 unique team combinations, this behavior has been noted as the Wesker Corollary.
Leading experts are currently researching the phenomenon, which has no known cause, but inexplicably almost always results in excessive blood sodium levels - not only in the player, but their opponent as well. Caution has been advised to those who come in contact with the paradox.
More news forthcoming as it becomes available.
yeah and the people using wesker got beat by better people who dont need wesker to beat them. basically, what this is saying wesker might night be that much of a threat at a tourny level. doesnt change the fact that half of what we see is wesker and he is being treated like phoenix.
@10 Basically he is being treated like Vanilla Sentinel. People will find ways around him and he won't be as viable or "broken" as everyone seems to think.
As a Wesker player myself, I've learned a lot of what he is capable of. Making it that much easier to counter it.
I personally don't mind Wesker because I know that eventually he won't be as effective as he is now since more people are playing him and more people feel like they need to make anti Wesker tech to counter him like they did with Phoenix cause they feel that he is that threatening.
half the top 16 still had Wesker, that should count for something
Fail stats, if I play a Wesker team against Justin/Combofiend, does it mean Wesker isn't overpowered when I undoubtably lose?
Capcom not nerfing Wesker in the recent update should've been enough for most of you...
It is still month 1. I'm not saying Wesker isn't gonna be powerful through UMvC3's life but he clearly doesn't have HALF the options vanilla Dark Phoenix had.
I find Dormammu to be a LOT MORE dangerous character than Wesker.
His keep-and-chip-away game is strong as balls and he has a 2 meter = 1 million damage combo, without assists nor X-Factor, put in assists and he kills Thor for 2 meters.
That combined with air mobility, quite useful teleports and extremely powerful level 1 hypers... I could go on and on.
If only FChamp had Doom and Strider in his team... Unless you're Strange or Phoenix, you can't touch Dormammu with this team.
Stats prove Wesker isn't as much of a problem even in high level play as stream monsters want you to think. Hell, even when Honzo Gonzo did a 24 hour marathon to kill wesker he only ran into about 14 online. People complaining probably don't even play or just troll. Bob is played more In Tekken than Wesker. I'm not saying Wesker isn't powerful or the best character, but when the amount of people playing him are low, why complain?
especially when tech keeps coming out. We already know his weakness we can exploit against him, scrubs crying? nothing new
All the people crying about Wesker, stay free.
@9 WIN. You deserve a gold star, a cigar, and a pancake.
Hulk got nerfed and Chris got buffed but clearly Wesker shouldnt be changed just yet. Please continue to live in denial about how OP he is like half of you did with Phoenix. When we hit EVO and everyone's running him or saying he's too cheap then you'll all see.
F-ck this sh-t. Too much whining. Give the game some time. F-cking newbs you've been spoiled by these patches.
"F-cking newbs. Learn to play" = "OMIGAWD I can't win without Wesker + Level 3 X-Factor."
Wesker isn't op on point, but who the hell is using him on point? The hell is wrong with you guys when you don't realize this obvious stuff?
To me it feels like every team has Spencer or Wesker on it. I understand that people like the RE franchise so they like to play Wesker. But seriously, Spencer? He's lame and people only play him because he's so good (and insanely easy to use).
@29 i use spencer cause i really liked Bionic Commando Rearmed. when i saw him in vanilla i was disappointed by his new look but liked the way he played.
i guess i sort of understand what your saying but you cant say everyone who uses him is some sort of tier whore.
Those statistics are retarded and it says nothing. I don't think Wesker is broke but for a character with teleport and easy mix ups he does have good damage, and the morons who love to act as elitist can't say the contrary. I, a player who drops combo left and right can make an easy Wesker combo that takes 1 million health using his level 3, that type of damage is better on a character like Hsien-ko who have nothing going for her not for a character with a teleport.
Wesker is low tier. This is known by most people in the community. That's why we members of TBWC had made a petition. Tell your friends about The Buff Wesker Cause petition! This way people like Phoenix Wright can be more balanced and less made of stupid Kappa .
So wait Wesker teams are 50% and thats supposed to mean hes not OP? Thats some awful logic.
@34 Capcom's already buffing him in the next patch
Patch Notes (12/28/2011): Wesker damage buffed by 150%. Killing him having 3 meters will activate Dark Wesker with 2 million health. Kappa
How about a non-wesker team beat the best wesker teams around? Justin even beat Wesker convincingly in the Grand Finals.
Wesker is good but nowhere near an auto-win button that some people insist on making him out to be.
Learn the character and learn the matchup. You too can beat Wesker.
So you mean they haven't patched Iceman, I mean Wesker, yet?
Damn you, Capcom!
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I'm guessing when you DHC and kill, it counts as the other character killed the opponent? That's a pointless statistic then. Lets say, in Fanatiq's team, Magneto will do all sorts of stuff and then DHC into Storm to finish his plate. Now does that mean Storm is better than Magneto? Right.
Bunch of fags complaining about the stats. YO, THIS IS ESPORTS!
I really appreciate the statistics, sir. But you can avoid the angry letters if you try not to use words like "only" which make you sound like you are on the pro-Wesker side, when really you should be on the "no side" side and leave your data to stand on it's own feet.
Numbers 39 and 42 speak the truth. These stats aren't exactly legitimate.
Also, #46, what exactly is it about Zero that makes him OP? The fact he can do Marvel vs Capcom combos in Ultimate Marvel 3? Or his jumping H?
This game is stupid. They can't balance sh1t for brains. The Phoenix nerfs are just too stupid for me to even bother with this game. He had something going for him, but it was lost in the patch. The finger is easy to block, all you need is to be blocking high. Wait for him to run out of turnabout mode and finish him. Makes his level 3... as good as it is... useless.
Then... they give wesker a 900k combo that can be done ANYWHERE on the screen and only uses one bar. PLEASE explain how that's balance. I WOULD JUST LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to hear your reasoning for Wesker not being OP and Phoenix wright DERSERVING that nerf.
@48
We all are Capcom's bitches man... they dont respect us, at all. Agree, they nerf some characters based on people's weeppings.... but they can never stay cool, they always have to Balance one thing, and drive us crazy with another.
It's like asking a wish to that Magic monkey hand from that old Halloween Special pf the Simpsoms, whatever you ask, gets twisted somehow making your original wish nothing but a nightmare...LOL.
I'm telling you man, we are Capcom's bitch... they do whatever they want. They keep us hooked by being mad and having us demanding balance, which keep us playing the game until new version, instead of keeping us with the game, by deleviring constant quality and fun, leveraged experience.
Yeah, long rant, whatever....
For those of you who didn't read the article aka 95% of you especially those saying DHCs ruined the statistics lets have a look at the extremely short but important segment at the end.
"The real workhorse of the competition was Wolverine, who was on the teams of both Justin Wong and Noel Brown. He was responsible for a full 47 character kills while falling just 31 times. The other standouts were Doom, who went 29-17, and Magneto, who went 21-13. And, of course, there was Justin's Ironfirst who, despite the doubters, ended up with one of the best kill/death ratios of the tournament at 20-11."
All of those characters were not DHC'd into for kills almost at all as I recall. They all also happen to have extremely strong moves (wolverine divekick/Doom foot dive/Iron Fist B/Magneto tri dash). Backed up with things like sentinel, frank, and akuma assist these point characters played to their strengths and completed adimirably. Strong characters in a crazy game did there job. No need to go nuts, expose yourself, and then try to write this article off by making stuff up just so you feel better.
Oh yeah check this out people who are angry at mix up characters. It's even with a guy who has a way better projectile game than wesker, better mix up game than wesker, and better normals than wesker (in no way am I saying wesker is bad he is very strong, but you'd really think we were talking about phoenix here the way you dudes talk). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20htPZ...
on a more light hearted note did you guys see Viscant's Doom? He got so many kills he did not work for I was laughing my butt off. He only knew footdive, couldn't complete nearly as well as people who actually play doom, but he still got some many unexpected wins. So funny.
People can't read these days. THIS IS NOT A BALANCE PATCH. Wright's assist was fixed probably because it wasn't supposed to be invincible in the first place. Remember when they were talking about changes from Vanilla to Ultimate and they said they wanted the game to be LESS about the spamming of invincible assists? Tron loses her assist invincibility and so does Haggar, and now so does Mr. Wright. It makes perfect sense.
Also, why would he be invincible in the first place? He's not invincible on point in Turnabout mode so why would he be invincible as an assist. If anything, it's just more consistent.
@ 29
"But seriously, Spencer? He's lame and people only play him because he's so good (and insanely easy to use)."
Umm, lame,insanely easy to use? Tell me how this is so? All his advanced combo's require great and precise timing. Your definitely not gonna pick him up and be a combofiend spencer in a day or even weeks. Actually, i've only ever seen 2 people use spencer greatly. And thats combofiend and knives. You want insanely easy to use? Try hulk, nemesis, wesker, and captain america. all of them have very easy and brainless BnB's that all the pros use and deal great amounts of damage. Spencer is so easy to block and see whats coming. Your obviously a scrub gettin hit by slow overheads and predictable mix ups. you must get really salty when the screen says KO after a bionic arm hyper and you wanna scream it but you wont because it was you who got KO'd.
@52
Umm actually yes it was. They spent a lot of time designing his moves and motions. And you think it was by accident that his assist, only one of the three just so happened to be almost completely invincible? No dumbasz. Capcom is a stupid company that likes to troll its consumers. They gave a useless character something use-able and rarely ever saw in action and took it away when there was an obvious and bigger problem than it, just to start the rants and rage. It makes no sense actually. And yes it was a balance patch because they didn't just fix Wright, they also fixed some loops and combo's for other characters not mentioned.
For all you idiots defending wesker, wait till EVO and you see more than half of the people using wesker in the top 16 or 32. You say there is still undiscovered stuff, well yeah weskers in the same vote idiots. All these tourny's arent the real deal when justin wong is playing with his troll character (Iron Fist) and winning tournies. When a character changes your strategies and tactics to such an extent that they must be dealt with first, then its a problem. See you guys at EVO for the Ultimate Wesker vs Wesker: Fate of the Mirrored match Weskers tourny.
"For all you idiots defending wesker, wait till EVO and you see more than half of the people using wesker in the top 16 or 32"
Like every game ever? All games have extremely common characters. Someone pointed out how Tekken has more Bob's than MvC3 has Weskers. What game did you play prior to MvC3 that was perfectly balanced?
It's more about kills and deaths; Phoenix and Wesker change the metagame just by being as powerful as they are. How much time/meter was spent snapping in either of them than trying to kill the point character?
@56
A lil game called SSF4. Then they made a thing called AE for money. then an im sorry patch to keep the game interesting. Capcom doesn't want balanced games. This EVO will be worse than vanilla phoenix considering all the stuff he's got without risks.
All these people complaining about Wesker. Haters gonna hate. But no one complain about Doom, Zero, or Wolverine. Makes sense.
58
that is some serious salt brother. I thought SSF4 was pretty great myself balance wise, but everybody on here was the same as they are now. Out for blood to kill the "cheap top tier" M.Bison. He had a decent tournament showing, but almost never ever took 1st place. Little bit of whining about Honda too. Even though he had near half health BnBs people wanted Fei buffs and called the game too turtle friendly. Guess what that demon company (in your world im sure) called capcom did? They neutered psycho punisher, made the tip of M Bison's Heavy kick do less damage than most any other heavy attack, killed Honda's anti air game, and made everybody hate Fei Long for being so good. The "fans" (loud complainers) got what they wanted plus some characters they got hype about for a few bucks. Hard to say that was for money. Guess I'm not as mad as you though.
This EVO will be worse than Dark Phoenix? PR Balrog (amazing player who has personally bodied the crap out of me in Vanilla) basically ran into Haggar until Viscant claimed victory. I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember wesker getting hits thanks to Haggar contributing way more kills than phoenix. Speak of the devil Haggar, Tron, and Akuma assists where on most teams. Speak of PR he and I both agree that having assists like Tron and Haggar was essentially saying "here have a fake defense since you don't want to learn proper blocking. This has turned into a wall so I'll just cut it short. Either you are so mad that you now hate games based on knee jerk community reactions or you are a bigger fan of hyperbole than me. Good luck with that death from high blood pressure when you hit the real world bro
@62
I find it hard to find salt in my comment. Just summarizing the facts. I Just found more variety in the tourny's for SSF4 than AE. I've actually only played the SS4 series in general for a total of 7 months. I just enjoyed SSF4 more than the new iteration. SSF4 is the closest to balance you'll get, or at least as close as they'll let it get, in terms of balance. And I understand you've been blowing PR Balrog for a while? And letting him be on top all the time? No turn arounds i see. Well here is what your husband said on a live stream. "I actually think UMvC3 is worse than vanilla...because of Wesker." Yep, those are the exact words that came out of your husbands mouth. He said that just about a month ago with Wolfkrone on the other line talking to a host.
This has turned into a wall so I'll just cut it short. You are an idiot who says stupid sh1t about people you somehow think you know about and their views, and somehow guess that they have high blood pressure. Either you are an flamboyant homo who blows pro's and claim to know them, or your just another idiot who takes a slang and turns it into a serious metaphor to make yourself seem somewhat intelligent. I think your both. BTW, good luck with your response. i'll be waiting for it.
@61
"No, SSF4 was not "perfectly balanced", nor has any fighting game from any company with more than one character been."
please i ask look at my comment and find the words "perfectly balanced" next to each other. You seem to be quoting someone else my fellow retard. Yeah they'll make their money, prolly from you. I haven't spent a cent on their crap. i get all my sh1t from hookups. blow harder please.
@66
The question I assumed you answered in your reply to #56 was "What game did you play prior to MvC3 that was perfectly balanced?" Am I wrong? I'm sure you'll say I am regardless.
"You seem to be quoting someone else my fellow retard."
Sadly I am one, but it's nice of you to call yourself one as well.
@68
Your right...to say that im gonna tell you your wrong. There is nothing in the world that is perfect. You sir are very far from perfect yourself. im sure you already know that.I auto corrected him to say SSF4 was the best balanced fighting game at the time, in summary of course. Im right to say that you were quoting someone else, and to say you are a retard. Im glad you recognize that. However, me being a mix, when i greet a fellow asian, that does not make me asian. I know its hard for a fellow retard to understand. Do not fret my retard, your kind is plaguing the FGC. You may find harmony here. But I warn you, anyone replying to this comment will not only make their case of retardation severely worse, but will abruptly make them a lover of bananas. If you like bananas, by all means please reply.
Hey guys!
It only took me 14 games but I finally fought a team of ALL WESKERS + infinite X-Factor + dmg boost...Thx Capcom!
SMH....Everyone is so tied up on Wesker, Wesker, and Wesker that you dummies are overlooking Doom, Zero, and Hawkeye. Doom has long combos that gain so much meter and kills with on bar (he also has scrubby S footdive), Zero players can press any button and still have priority on anything you throw out; he also has crazy mixups with no assist, Hawkeye is Wesker with arrows...have you all ever played a good level 3 Hawkeye....nuff said gameover...he can OCV whole teams too.
KDR in UMvC3 is stupid, and totally misses the point.
KOs? What if someone did 90% of his damage with Wesker, but somehow the opponent manages to hard tag or DHC out. Then Wesker dies and he finishes off the rest of the team with Zero? That's no kills for Wesker, and 3-0 for Zero, but doesn't change the fact that Wesker essentially did all of the work.
Damage done would have been a much more meaningful statistic, but still doesn't take into account the added versatility that certain assist characters bring to the game, and having a good point character means the anchor gets much less stats.
This sort of e-sports style analysis just doesn't really work very well with fighting games.
This is pretty poorly compiled data if you ask me (as a medical student who is constantly evaluating experiments and surveys).
The fact that characters only get credit for kills means that we don't get to see the actual amount of work that each character puts in. Lets not forget that zero rarely does 100% with a single meter and no x factor, so its not surprising that he doesnt get many kills since pretty much all of those kills are gonna be coming from an 80% zero combo followed by a dhc.
As for wesker, lets not forget that wesker killing wesker counts as a 0. Given the number of weskers present, they all should've killed each other off, dulling his stats.
EVERY DOG HAS IT'S DAY AND THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT WESKER IS 2 POWERFUL FOR HIS LACK OF COMPLEXITY COMBO AND MIX UP WISE BUT THE REALITY IS LIKE DARK PHOENIX PEOPLE BEGAN TARGETING THE CHARACTER ,,,
Justin Wong still running his wolverine (divekick) , akuma (assist) team with the addition of iron fist who is basically a one touch of death character he has it made , he just need to keep on fishing with that akuma assist then iron fist basic combo kills them ....