Unconfirmed reports also say that Hulk can no longer perform his corner infinite and that Haggar has gained damage on his Rapid Fire Fist. Also, Amaterasu's jumping H in Glaive stance no longer performs an infinite number of ground bounces, now following the standard rule.
LMAO @ the Pheonix Wright nerf! Everyone begged for that character and he is azz! I called it when he was first annouced..."Everyone is going to pick Pheonix Wright...get bodied...and never pick him again."...Another wasteful slot that could have been used for Gene or Megaman...smh
#3 i've been saying the same since crazy fans started the petition for that character.
Wow.....Because of this I have officially dropped PW. All that work to get into that damned mode, and they do that? what a slap in the face.
lol @3. Stay Salty, my friend.
Even with the assist nerf, I'm still picking Feenie. He's still extremely useful in Turnabout mode.
I never pull Feenie out when he's in TAM because people tend to run away. Chip damage usually makes them waste their X-Factor.
That Assist was overpowered anyways. I'm happy it got nerfed, even as a Feenie player.
I'm also laughing at the people who are dropping him for this.
You guys are hilarious. Boo hoo, Phoenix got nerfed. Pick him because you like playing him, not because he got nerfed.
Megaman sucks anyways.
*Runs away*
@ 7...I'm not salty at all...I'm just being real and honest. Without that invincible assist there is no need to pick Pheonix wright. You have to sacrafice two of your player slots (with two good assist) just to cover him to get evidence. Miya doesn't help much against teleport characters and air projectile spamming characters. So Cudo's to you if you still playing him...like I said...he's azz and will be chillin with Thor at the bottom son! lol
@9
Not once have I ever had to call assists for Feenie to get evidence.
Ever. It's incredibly easy to get good evidence, and you find it rather quick. All you need is some advancing guard, and smart spacing.
His greatest weakness are teleport characters, but once he gets all the evidence, they tend to run back 24/7 trying to avoid OBJECTION!. It's a great fear tool.
@11 depends on who your fighting more than how. But the pheonix nerf hurts but It was a bit OP they could have kept some invincibility at least at start up or something. No matter im still using him he is a fun character.
But you are right you don't have to use assist but if your gonna play PW you might as well give him a strong team.
Hopefully the increase start up speed of Maya's shield will somewhat help Phoenix Wright's game but I honestly can't see Wright as a viable character anymore. He used to have a chance but now he'll be just like Dan; only played by trolls or character specialists.
Haggar gained more damage on Rapid Fire Fist, not lost.
It's not like he's completely useless. In fact he deserved this nerf; there was literally no way around it, and it was getting some pretty cheap wins. Not Hulk-Wesker-Sentinel-Wolverine-Akuma type, obviously, but somewhere close. Like Vergil-Dante-Doom-Ryu territory.
You know all the Phoenix Wright stuff that made him so powerful and a staple member of every team played in every tournament? Yeah, me neither. Way to go Capcom.
Ultimate Wesker vs. Wesker 3: Fate of Pointless Nerfs
This pretty much makes him unusable.
He has work too much sub-game and that invincible assist was the only thing making him worth using.
He's a silly character and I get the "use the characters you like" mindset, but nobody serious about winning is going to bother. He's already a pain in the a$$ to get started and this makes it so much harder to justify having him. He's not the worst character in the game, but having him just puts you at such a disadvantage over characters that do so much more with less effort.
The stupid thing about this is that no one would care about the assist nerf if they would make OBJECTION! come out quicker.
@25
It's severely rewarding to me, landing that Level 3 Hyper. A game isn't about winning, it's about having fun.
Most of these tournament players don't play to have fun, they play for fame and wins. They've lost the true spirit of fighting games; a game where you can sit back, have a drink, and beat the sh!t out of someone in good taste.
@28
And that's fine. Nothing wrong with using a character that you just like using, I do the same with Rocket Raccoon (who I think is very underrated and will emerge down the road as a great character). That's why I preface with "nobody serious about winning." I'm talking about people who are going to tournaments hoping to come back with money or sponsors.
I think PW is a very cool character and I am glad he's in the game. I just won't be using him any time soon, haha.
Am I the only one who would rather have a faster maya shield than invincibility on assists in turnabout mode? Maya shield's easily his best move and now it comes out faster? Yes. Thank you. Also, thank you Capcom for not caving to the crybabies and nerfing Wesker.
the hulk infinite is no big deal it is really hard to try getting into and he can kill an assist with a simple bread and butter any way
Wesker doesn't need a nerf. in fact no one does.
the Wright nerf was uncalled for and confusing.
on a side note, change that pathetic take that to a man's TAKE THAT!
There should be more outrage about this. Nerfing a character's assist like this - something that WAS NOT a glitch but a change of heart on Capcom's side regarding this move - is balls.
No Wesker nerfs? No Zero ners? No Spencer nerfs?
Wright nerfs. Really? After all the work to get the damn assist? After the low health and ass normals and wasted assist characters just to afford time? Really? The assist where all you had to do was not spam projeciles like an idiot and just block more when you knew he had it? That move?
No Rocket buffs? No Thor buffs? No Hsien ko buffs?
Wright nerfs? I usually look for the best in Cap decisions but ... this is ... inexcusable. They clearly don't understand balance. I am truly broken today.
This is our 9/11.
Its good they didn't nerf wesker he's not the best character or anything
Do people get it now how smart Capcom is balancing a game?
Yet another thing i've been saying for a long time now, even if I sincerely don't care about that character I understand why people are calling it unnecessary.
I don't think anyone needs to be nerfed right now, personally. "Best" characters exist. That doesn't necessarily mean they need to be nerfed.
He has bad matchups and he has weaknesses. It's not Super Turbo Akuma we're talking about here.
No wesker nerf? Wtf is this? I thought there was complaining about wesker not phoenix wright. Guess I was wrong because I fight 90% weskers and 1% Phoenix wright.
Amaterasu has received a nerf to her glaive j.H (full charge)
It doesn't make infinite groundbounces if looped, now it follows the usual 1 groundbounce per combo rule meaning its a useless attack.
LOl @ 27 Don't be mad because I know utility when I see it. You just get smacked around a few times by PTW so you get hurt feelings, it's all good. You can still get stomped by Wesker if you're still feeling blue about it. :)
Makes sense that assist was nerfed it was a great tool to use against Wesker if you got him into Turnabout, and we can't have that now can we! Capcom hard on for Wesker and all characters Capcom continues I guess its revenge for 2 making them all non-existent besides as assists.
I made this poster to show my feelings towards what happened:
http://www.neorussell.com/wp-content/...
I remember back when the lawyer was revealed, these same people were saying they'd use him no matter what.
Thus are their true colors revealed! Tier-whores to the end!
(Also, you wanna talk about too much effort required for mediocre results? Chun-Li says hi. At least PW does ass-tons of damage with his level 3...)
LOLOLOLOLOL I LOVE CAPCOM!!! There are amazing! They do nothing but continually buff Juri, they "nerf" Wolverine, and now they nerf Phoenix and leave Wesker as is? Good job Capcom! And this isnt sarcasm btw. I think this is Capcom's way of telling all you whining scrubs that there are actual cheap things in this game that aren't being abused, and that you should stop hopping on every "THIS CHARACTER IS OP, LOOK AT TOURNAMENT RESULTS" bandwagon, and realize what the actual cheap stuff in this game is. That assist was COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE, in other words, BROKEN. I didn't see this nerf coming tbh, but I'm glad Capcom is fixing the broken stuff in their game. As I've said before, this Wesker isn't OP, he's worse than his vanilla iteration, and ISNT the best character in the game.
You whiners need to stop crying NERF just cuz a character is top tier, that's just the nature of the beast, there will always be really good characters, and really ass characters. Deal with it and stop crying, seriously.
You guys...please calm down! Wesker is not the best character in the game, you can easily lame him out. Spencer is not cheap either, the one everyone is over looking is Hawkeye! That full screen slide and endless chaining of arrows....He is the best character in the game. Just watch Chris G play him and you tell me what you think.
@ 60 your an idiot if you think you cant! I do it all day evryday with Trish....you lame him out til he runs into something then commence to whoop his azz! Plus I play Wesker so you can space him out and telegraph his teleports! If you know how to play Wesker its easy to deal with him, thats why all the Wesker crybabies lose to him because they don't know how he works!
Wesker has bad matchups and tactics that work against him. A good lame player can pose major issues for Wesker.........until he X-Factors and then it gets quite a bit harder. But STILL, there are things that work against him, he's just also a really good character. Watch Flocker's excellent Zero play against Wesker and tell me it can't be done.
I do think he's the best character in the game, but SOMEONE had to be the best character. That doesn't mean the character is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. There are good matchups, setups, and tactics that can all be used to counter Wesker. Wesker doesn't need to be nerfed.
if they made turnabout mode permanent then it's ok to lose the invinciple assist
@ 65...I do play at my local scene and its no diffrent. Its the same story but the only diffrence is he is faster in x-factor so laming him out becomes a little harder. Wesker is the best player in the game RIGHT NOW. But just like vanilla sentinel, he will fall in the rankings because people will and are; figuring Wesker out. The best offense against Wesker is learning how to punish his teleports and keeping your space so you don't get mixed up so easily.
STOP CRYING MY GAWD. Do you guys really, really, REALLY need that assist invincibility?
Real men get Turnabout mode and fight it out on point all day.
You should be glad they getting rid of stuff like this because I use Pheonix secondary and I thought it was too powerful.
And the Wesker thing, you guys just need to learn your match ups and adjust. Now get your arses off the couch and go help the Heroes win cuz they are getting their tails kicked.
@ #74
Defeating scrubs online doesn't matter mr. online warrior, you can do that with the whole cast as long as you're a decent player.
If Phoenix was 'too powerful' people @ majors would be picking him, which is not happening. Especially after this.
@75 not everyone will drop wesker, but at least with a nerf of the shades he will no longer be used like MvC3 pheniox. Everyone is fine with combos, it just atm 1 super bar gives him a free (ulimited time) xfactor.
@61 Trish vs Wesker is in Wesker favor Trish can't stay in the air that long anymore I know because I play Trish as well not only that but if you think dive kicking down is going to work your an idiot. A smart Wesker will just stay away and grab you as you come down do a combo and kill you. There's not much Trish can do in the air and knowing that the Wesker player can just wait for an opportunity and @62 IT'S JUSTIN WONG of course he can lame out a Wesker because his opponents are intimidated by him so they make a lot of mistakes
If this is true, then I want Dark Phoenix to start dying on the sidelines when you snap her out.
This news is the equivalent to that. But of course, it takes a LOT more planning to get Wright to that level and DP is even cheaper in every way.
I think what people aren't realizing is that this is a bug fix patch. this lets us assume that the maya shield was MEANT to come out faster and Turnabout phoenix wasn't meant to be invincinble. And haggar's rapid fire fist was meant to do more damage.
Capcom changes "Take This" to "Take That" because of fan demand, cool.
Capcom completely ignores fan outcry for Wesker shades nerf and nerfs an already not too great character in Phoenix Wright...
Great Job Capcom
Dumba**es...
Whoooo! Look at all these crybabies! News flash. Wesker ain't the best character. Never was. Hes also not the fastest, strongest or most durable character either. He's just easy to use, thats it
if we are going into detail about Phoenix Wrights speech, might i point out that when he does his lv. 3 super, he says "the one who actually committed the crime "IS" you!" when in fact is should be "was" you. past tense of committed would be "was". present tense would be "is". change that too please. TAKE THAT!!.... i mean, TAKE THIS!!
@84
no, it was not a 'bug' fix. Seth was mentioning it on and on when PW was revealed.
lol PW sucks, a waste of slot. I remember when people were going to main him no matter what and then when the game came people realize he sucked and dropped him after 5 mins. Now he really really sucks.
just amazing how capcom makes themselves look like idiots by putting PW in the game cause fans wanted him and now they nerf him to make him suck even more so no one will use him. Good job capcom, can't wait til you add Megaman whom you'll prolly make the most op character in the game because if you dont everyone will be mad that you add another worthless character to the roster.
Why do people who pick top tier chars pick those chars? Because they're so strong. Then when people complain, the comments are always "that char isn't that strong deal w/it scrub stay free salty"
Anyway, i'm kinda glad PW lost invincibility; people wont use his assist as a crutch anymore.
Also, what's with the hate for Wright? In all seriousness, and besides the "we wanted megaman" or "salt scrub" stuff, why all the hat? Is he not badass enough? No trenchcoat? The Ace Attorney series is some of Capcom's best stuff, and Phoenix is (was?) a great representation of the series, even if he's not what you'd expect, being a regular guy.
I'm being serious here, to all those who don't want him in the game...
I think I sorta agree with both sides here... I mean, whats stranger to me is not that they would nerf Wright. I mean, a hyper armor assist is REALLY powerful... Takes alot of work to get to but whatever. It's more that they would nerf him and NOT wesker. You know, one without the other blah blah blah. I guess I just think if they were going to nerf one, why not nerf both.
I guess I think they should have nerfed both, or just left them both alone. Wesker is very powerful, this is fact. BUT, so what? I can't claim to be an ultimate top player, but Ive been playing diligently since vanilla came out and I can say I AM very good. Ive faced Weskers online and while I did have to struggle, aad work really hard I have beaten genuinely good Wesker player, (offnote I use spider-Man on point, with Ghost Rider and then the third switched up, usually X-23, Mr. Wright or Chun Li.)
I guess all Im saying in this long thing is I agree with both sides, kinda? I guess? I dunno. I had to work hard to make spider-Man viable, but I DID it after a long while and now Im Amazing (zing) with him. It's too soon to say the same thing wont happen for Phoenix, even with this nerf with enough persistance dedicated players will find a way to make him work. Doesn't necessarily make him bad (or worse than he was...) people like myself who use him will just have to be a bit more careful haha...
Change the title now to "Heroes & Heralds mode released for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, along with completely unnecessary Phoenix Wright nerf"