Maximilian posted another episode of his The Online Warrior where he takes Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 online, this is what he discusses in this episode.
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 getting patched already? Apparently so, and for good reason. There's a couple things about UMvC3 that need attention immediately(throw tech glitch), but should Wesker get nerfed immediately?
Tip submitted by JapanguyGM2500 and Ketchup17.
The thing about the patch is, they never really said they were gonna rebalance the roster. They just said it was gonna be a patch, so it could just be for glitches. There isn't a single tweet or interview where they claim that they're gonna rebalance the cast.
New players (and old) need to realize and get to used to the fact Capcom listens to the whiners more than anyone else. Oh nerf the twins...it's done in AE 2012. Oh nerf Wesker...it's coming. Do they ever listen the well known pros out there who actually knows what they're talking about? I hardly doubt it. Maybe they'll listen to them during beta testing. After the game is out, it's all on Capcom Utilities.
@6 But the pros do admit that Yun and Yang are OP. WTF are you talking about?
Also They need to balance the glasses with wesker and NOT having the glasses and Xfactor stack. X factor should do the amount of dmg and speed boost that it does without the help of the glasses.
Also, nerf that health. Wesker with his health in this game is almost as bad as the idea of Yun having Gief's health in SF4.
Its crazy how characters like Zero, Strider & Rocket Racoon are so mix-up heavy with low health yet Wesker gets average? He has a teleport, easy OTG and the sunglass gimmick and they thought reducing his health to just 1 million is fine? While Zero, Strider and RR have way below that? That makes sense...
Keits or SRK
Tweeted recently that
Rocket Racoon beats wesker and that Wesker is not OP
And that NEC is only one tourney and we shouldnt jump to patch Wesker.
Should I mention that he mains Wesker as well?
For the love of God I just want Wesker nerfed so I can finally play my main in peace. It wasn't nearly this bad in Vanilla, surprisingly. Now I know how the Phoenix players felt like when the whole community was screaming "NERF PHOENIX". Watch, Spencer mains, the complainers will come after your character next.
I find it hilarious that people are oblivious to the fact that 6 of the 7 NEC top placers that used Wesker used him in Vanilla to begin with so it's not like they JUST picked him up, yes even Chris G. In fact, most people that use Wesker now used him in Vanilla but he has just now become a problem apparently.
-Zero and Spencer are next up for being Top but the difference between them and Wesker is simple...even for a Wesker Crutch.
-Zero and Spencer take SKILL and doing their combos online takes more timing than Wesker's brainless anywhere anytime combos.
-Z&S's assists arent that easy to time as a Gunshot to the ground.
-What needs nerfing is Virgil's Rapid Slash assist. There's no reason it needs to touch the opponent and make them go FULL screen away. And the real rapid slash is a mind-numbing cross-up.
@ 11
Thats not so true. Hsien Ko has the worst normals...still.
RR's Standing H and
Jump S does Chip Damage. Unlike Ghost Rider
The jump S can be comboed from.
@10 As someone who play RR, this is true. I contemplated this for a while that RR stopped him in his tracks. Wesker has no idea what to do against him. The traps keep Wesker from advancing, his gun doesn't work on RR's short size, RR can zone a lot better than him, and he can burrow if things get ugly.
@11 RR is not poop tier. He's not designed specifically for rushdown and he's not designed specific for zoning. His gameplan revolves around a little bit of both. OK, so he has low health. Considering most of the best characters have relatively low life, I fail to see that as a downside. Not to mention he can dodge a lot of attacks by simply crouching due to his tiny hitbox, so Wesker can't zone with his gun for crap. He has pretty decent damage, easy DHCs, great supers, screen control, rushdown, mixups, instant overheads, self unblockables...he's downright scary in the right hands.
He's better than a big chunk of the cast, he's just really hard to play.
Just saw on PJS a good wesker and RR went head to head in the finale 3 times and Wesker always won!
@17 The Wesker player was just better than the other guy.
Zero is usually the most popular counter for Wesker. Then again, Zero has virtually no bad matchups. See that's the thing. They're a lot of good characters in Ultimate, but they drop them for Wesker because either A. They think he's looks cool, B. Because he's easy to use and cheap, or C. Everyone else is picking him, so you decide to pick him because you'll get bodied if you don't.
@ 18 you do know who was using that RR right?
He is known to have 30+ win streaks and his team has great chemistry. Trust me, Im well aware of a good and bad user. That guy was doing his thing with RR and V. joe!
@19 I'm sure he did. But it the end it comes down to who knows the matchup the best, aka who is the better player. He was really good, and believe me, it pisses me off whenever a Wesker gets a win. And then they taunt, putting his glasses back on telling me to try harder.... I hate him! >:o
OmG its Andre Vs. Boy876
Just now. Once again Wesker destroyed RR.
Wesker doesn't need a major nerf. A minor one sure (make his glasses benefit 10% instead of 15% and maybe reduce the window of time he can use his gun for an OTG making the combos have to be tighter.)
What really needs a nerf is XFactor. They nerfed it in Ultimate already but the sh** is still too good. Level 3 is the worst offender, 20seconds of nearly double damage + ~50% faster move speed is way too good.
IMO Xfactor should only have the duration scale with number of characters, the actual damage increase should bet he same at level 1 as it is at level 3. That or they need to majorly tone down the damage and speed buffs at levels 2 and 3.
His OTG into team super is really BS considering only he benefits from that on top of the advantages he already has.
I spoke to a friend of mine who's in the VG business and he says that according to reports the whole engine has to be evaluated just for wesker. Because to fix his errors (OTG to team super or random cross up on HIS super etc) it might crash the whole game and new bugs will come out.
Wesker is too deep within the code of the game to be fixed easily. IOW get used to wesker or move on to a more balanced game like KoF13 where they took their time with engine. Or Tekken Tag 2
i swear the FGC is so sensitive now. what ever happen to playing around the powerful characters, having actual strategies, and handling these characters like a man (or woman). wesker is not vanilla phoenix/wolverine level broken. i have yet to see any pro player complain about him. its like no one wants to learn how to beat these characters anymore, they just cry for nerfs and buffs.
@14
PLEASE STFU. Everytime damned time I pick up a character and REALLY start to like him, ppl start whining and he gets nerfed. Happened with Wolverine, Akuma, & Dante, all characters I play. The only character I play that DIDNT get nerfed is X-23..oh wait. My point is, LEAVE VERGIL ALONE. He's fine how he is dammit. And yeah, I have no problem with wesker, he does less damage than he did in vanilla. I'm just sick of ppl whining and crying and consequently buffs and nerfs happen. GET USED TO THE GAME FIRST. IT HASNT BEEN OUT A MONTH YET. Sigh.
Its too early for a Wesker nerf.
Damn, what a bunch of whiners.
@ 26 Fighting games are supposed to be about fun and showing the opponent who's better by out playing them NOT abusing lazy programming and tester's.
Virgils moves are stupid sometimes. That S,H up down slash that is PLUS on block? Yes I know you can push guard it but for them to leave a move like that in that covers that much space and leaves the opponent mega open on hit AND is spammable with no punish time is kinda bad.
U want to like someone without predjudice? Dont play Capcom games. They seem to live to have characters clearly unbalanced.
Heck I like Wolverine too but the ick that came to me as I saw how cheap they made him made me drop him. It was effortless to get high damage.
Akuma was obviously for babies considering his priority and the way his moves staggered the foe.
Dante. His combos were too long for my ADD lol.
Wolverine is more fair now but I really feel cheap when his dive kick leaves them open so long. Hulk doing that makes more sense considering how powerful he is and how easy it is to see coming.
And Wolvie's Berserker slash was too good. And I knew people would abuse it and they did!
The Wesker defence force get so worked up about nerf talk, we only want the glasses buff removed. It's hardly going to make him unusable is it? Hell he'll probably still be the best character in the game.
@20
hahaha get owned you fraud. I've never lost to a wesker in my life. I main haggar, modok, and phoenix wright. Feels good.
@ 20
He puts the shades back on and says,
Wesker: Thanks Capcom but I didnt need the buff to beat THIS FOOL!
@Gokai
If you feel cheap from logan's dive kick leaving the opponent bouncing so long, why are you not complaining about Dr. Doom with his deep dive that leaves the opponent bouncing so long you can hit him, abd be like, oh I hit him? Cool! Combo time! Why are you also not complaining about hulks derp s.H that goes through EVERYTHING??? Wolverines berserker slash was his only way besides dive kick to get in on zoners, and now he can pretty much be completely zoned out. He has no projectiles, so idk why ppl think beserker slash shouldn't be invincible? And the only thing akuma had priority on was his tatsu, which is nerfed, and so is his health for some ABSURD reason.
If the character I love happens to be easier to play than others, well try hey, it's better for me right? I'm not gonna pick a characterI love and then drop him cuz it's too easy to get damage with him or cuz he's too good, that's stupid to me. Why deny myself the enjoyment of playing a game just cuz of balance issues? I don't need to feel justified to play who I want, I'm not out to prove anything to anyone, I'm here to enjoy the game I wanna enjoy. If you pick lower tier chars or more difficult characters, go for it, but don't let your reasoning be because you feel cheap playing your faves. That's no fun at all dude. Just play who you want, and screw what ppl think.
@ 33
A - nobody was talking about Doom
B - he didnt have it in the 1st game which was the topic in the 1st place which I was responding too.
HUlk's
A- Hulk's St. H ONLY has one point of armor now. Compared to 2 from b4
b- Hulk in MvC2 used to chip on normals. Do you want that instead?
Akuma was nerfed for some absurd reason huh? That absurd reason is JUSTIN WONG and his wong factor coomebacks.
Im done, I didnt even read the rest. Too easy!
@33
You say hulk's derp s. H goes through everything, that is not true. just respect that it has armor on it and punish when there's an opportunity to. Lots of multi hit normals go through hulk's s.H, for example morrigan's air S which is their go-to move followed by some cr. L spam into combo. Point is it's not as good as you think it is.
And about berserker slash, it didn't need invincibility simply because it's so fast you can't react to it to block. This way players can counter with a quick laser or even a hyper if they think it's coming. And if that berserker slash did hit wolverine player got a free berserker charge undroppable baby day 1 combo that will severely damage if not kill most of the cast
I play Wesker and I am for nerfing him too.
Neither of these nerfs would make him a bad character:
- Removing glasses buff
- Removing ability for him to combo off his own OTG (leave the assist OTG of course)
Heck if he got both of those nerfs he'd still be a great character.
I still don't see how removing the glasses mechanic changes anything. You will still see a lot of Weskers because of his OTG assist plus ease of use. If you really want less people to use Wesker, either remove his OTG assist or make him as hard to use as other characters with OTG assist.
my god a lot of u are retarded and need to stfu! pros have complained about wesker as well.the game may have been out for barely a month but wesker has been out since feb and is the only top from vanilla that got buffed instead of nerfed.A mistake that obviously needs correcting.
Wesker is currently too strong and needs nerfing.we all know it.His presence dominated NEC in much the same way phoenix did back in vanilla and it was pretty much unanimous that she was OP.Ppl need to stop acting like its just 1 tourney and wesker won't be on everyones team at the next one and the ones after that til he's nerfed.he just does way too much dmg considering his combo potential.glasses buff has to go and his dmg period needs the nerfing it shouldve got b4 ultimate.
Lastly, its already been stated that balance changes are made around tournament results so all u "we all know capcom listens to whiners" are fukin retarded and need to seriously stfu.
Yes! Nerf Wesker. Take away the glasses buff. Either do that or buff the Shat out of Thor, Hsien Ko, Modok and some of the other less played characters.
More proof that Capcom likes unbalanced characters.
@34 hulk has more than one point of armor, check the strategy guide or play ranked match.
@31 Good for you.
Anyway, Wesker is gonna still be a threat on everybody's list even if he was nerfed. Just like Sentinel.
@48 But if Sentinel swings at the wrong time, he's eating a combo. At least there's some risk to go with the reward.
Honestly, I feel Wesker is OP, but not to the point of game-breaking OP. Meh. If he gets nerfed, great, but I'm not crying about how he is now. Marvel is supposed to be broken anyway.
@26 man... you don't like the characters.. you like winning, that's why people who main Wesker are standing against the idea of him being nerfd.
I mess with Wesker here and there and just the simplicity of him and how having him on practically any team can really change the flow of my game for the better makes him very tempting to put on my main team. I say just nerf his health to 900k or 850k. That will still make him viable and forces people who use him to be slightly more cautious. Just my opinion on the matter. Sadly if they do nerf Wesker there will still be people who will whine for another character to be nerfd. Nerfing and buffing characters never truly balances the game no matter how many times they do it. I think at some point we all will need to take a step back and just do our best when it comes comes to facing certain characters.
Maximilian is Ridiculous...
Sentinel in MVC3: Noooo, its GOD, its OP, NERF, NERF, NERF...
Some weeks: 1º patch on MVC3 = Sentinel is NERFED.
Now:
Wesker in UMVC3: Noooo, its GOD, its OP, NERF, NERF, NERF...
Maximilian says: No CRAPCOM, please, I´m scrub player, please no NERF my beloved guy...I will hate CRAPCOM if NER my man.
Maximilian is RIDICULOUS.
@ 51
Did you hear the LEGIT, commonly complained about reasons or did you just hear
NERF NERF NERF?
We already know the answer.
Talking of marvel, anyone get there hands on the new HORI UMVC3 stick, make an unboxing video and then shamelessly promote their video? No? I did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlG3Nf...
I'd be fine with taking away the sunglasses, not like it'd really change anything, I'd still be in x-factor lvl 3 going zoom zoom zoom and doing one touch of death combos not giving a fawk lol Hell even if you reduced his health it wouldn't change that much.
Also for the idiots who say RR, Zero, Strider etc, are heavy mix up characters who have lower health than Wesker. There is a viable reason. They are short, and very small. They can duck under almost every move, and are much harder to zone out than Wesker is, you also drop combos on them more times then not because of their size. Virtually their health can be near the same as Wesker due to them hardly ever taking Chip, and the occasional dropped combo due to their hitbox.
As for me I'm fine with Sunglasses Nerf, do to much more to him though, and he will drop to mid tier, and characters like Doom, Spencer, Mags, etc will take his place. Granted he will still be a Noob killer, since most people can't block to save their life. And sure if they use Wesker and an assist it can be tough, but if I can block it so can everyone else.
Good to see a "big" community voice calling out the obvious problem, and doing so by requesting reasonable changes. Just because a complaint is early, doesn't make it knee-jerk.
For all those who don't think Wesker should be touched, please, explain why Wesker needed the sunglass buff. I challenge anyone to find an issue with his gameplay that made it necessary. It's simply a completely unnecessary addition with no real justification to keep it. It was a dumb design choice that needs to be reversed.
@55
The reason it is knee jerk i because the entire MvC3 series is only 9 months old. The fact is Wesker is a popular character, and a majority of the people liked him in vanilla, and he is still viable in UMvC3. The results of one tournament will not dictate how this game will be played for the next couple of weeks/month/years. There is still much to be discovered. Heck, M.O.D.O.K. might have more potential than Wesker, but we won't know that til someone bodies Wesker players using him in a tourney.
As for the sunglasses buff, I think this helps balance out with Weskers overall XF NERF he took over iterations, and is hardly the level 4 X Factor everyone seems to be barking at. Also remember, to take sunglasses off, it put Wesker in a rather precarious position initially if done raw, and not a very damaging situation to land the hyper without XF to begin with. As an anchor, he still has a very good strength in being able to kill off a character with relative ease, but this does not necessarily justify a patch since many characters have the potential to do this.
I say the patch should focus more on the systematic flaws of the game, and leave character potentials along for AT LEAST 6 months. I think a year would be better.
#55 100% agreement in regards to the sunglasses mechanic. Not necessary however you wanna slice it.
I do think the Wesker whining is a little OTT, but I also 100% agree that the glasses buff is totally not required.
I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about Strider with level 3 x-factor + his level 3 power up hyper. He's more broken than vanilla Dark Phoenix for 8 or so seconds.
if you look close to any other chars under the radar you got some exam.
spider man he can kill any char with 1 or 2 meters( thor, tron etc) and you cant do anything but just watch and hope he miss the combo, any normal hits behind him and he can go in very very easy and safe.
If you fight against hulk you must be more carefull than vs wesker because almost the entire cast can die in just 1 combo thanks to hes armor normals
magneto is as good as always and even more dangerous with lv3xf.
sentinel its the same easy char, some people say sent is slow? that dosent mean a thing when you have super armor and if sent its slow i love nemesis was slow as sent.
spencer has ridiculous tons of damage more safe offencive attack etcetc.
so why you have to cry soooooo much i dont really think he needs the glasses buff, but if they want take it go on but the most of the people that cry for wesker nerfs eventually will going to cry for any other reason if you want learn how to play learn how you can cross any wall if dont like think anything go and play barbies with you little sis, i dont think any of the persons whos are crying has jill on hes team to say my char its sooooo much inferiror
@56
Just because Wesker got some nerfs doesn't mean he needs buffs to "balance them out". Some characters need to be nerfed from MvC3. The nerfs ARE the things to balance him out as a character. Even with the nerfs, he's a top character. He didn't need extra buffs, he needed to be brought down in line with the rest of the cast. The buffs negate the whole point of bringing him down in the first place. That the point.
I don't use Wesker neither I hate him but the glasses must go.
Good as always Max