Niitsuma responded to some Twitter questions today by confirming a small patch is coming and other interesting details involving the lifespan of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 among other things.
Mr. Niitsuma, people have been discovering infinites and bugs since UMvC3's release. When will these be fixed? - zyayokuhotenjin
Niitsuma: There is a patch coming before the year is over.
Are there any titles in Vanilla MvC3 that are not obtainable in Ultimate?. - VINO200x
Niitsuma: In the upcoming patch, missing titles will be added, such as "Gambler."
I was recently watching NEC 12, and isn't Wesker way too strong? 7 of the Top 8 players used Wesker... by the way, what about a patch? - Queza01
Niitsuma: A difficult problem. We've already started working on innumerable things, and getting it out by the end of the year is hard enough.
Tip from Quezacoatl.
I think the best way to handle nerfs is just to lower health.
It's a nice simple nerf that doesn't take away tools or make characters less fun. I think Wesker should have between 800,000 and 900,000 health but still have all his tools. There's no reason for his health to be above average. It's not like he's high risk high reward right now... he's just high reward.
Whoops, forgot to mention username, but I sent this in. The last question is also mine, here's my own translation.
"I watched a big American tournament today (NEC12) and well, don't you think Wesker is a bit strong? I mean, the whole top 7 had a Wesker in it. Can't you do something about him in the patch you mentioned for this year, like you did with Sentinel in Vanilla?"
Niitsuma: "This is a difficult issue, but if we start changing things now there will be no end to it, so it will be very hard to do this for this year's patch..."
No need to nerf Wesker. I'd say just fix the bugs and that's it.This nerfing and buffing crap would go on forever. I find it kind of stupid, Wesker or any character is NOT 100% invincible, with the nerfing or buffing crap it's all for whiners and those that don't want to put work into trying to figure out how to beat a character that seems to have the advantage when they don't.
Hummm what number of things are they working on by the end of the year do people speculate? DLC possibly? there are no plans for an update so forget about UMvC3 AE?
Well here we go again. Kids crying for nerfs and balance thinking that Capcom knows what they're doing...when they don't.
I am still salty that my main She-Hulk was nerfed to this degree when Wesker who is a better character and was used just as much or more ended up like this.
Wesker wouldn't a problem if he wasn't so braindead
The problem with him is that he's too strong for too little effort. A lot of players will think "why work hard with this character when I can win by mashing buttons with Wesker in Lvl 3 XF and get a nice OTG assist at the same time"
I honestly think they should just tone down his XF buffs and remove his glasses mechanic completely. Only a handicapped monkey would've thought that'd be a good idea to give to a strong character
Just DON'T do to him what they did to Sentinel. Wesker is still a cool character, just make it so you can't faceroll on a stick in XFactor and OCV an entire team
ok if they started nerf some characters then another char will be top tier and then the same thing u.u "nerf that character" if you want some balance keep playing street fighter in the actual games there's always some character easy to use than others (sorry for my english xD)
And once again, scrubs complain about something they can't deal with because they don't want to put the effort in to overcome it. Just like Sentinel who turned out to be ass once people figured him out, Wesker will be changed for possibly no reason.
People shouldn't cry for nerfs this early in the game.
just adapt to the game, or just don't play, x-factor level 3 makes everyone extremely strong, i vote to nerf that before the characters i guess. i currently have no problem with the game. current team is Magnus,vergil, and jill :)
i want to know where is hero and hearld mode? and i wish you would give everyone atleast 2,000,000 hp cause we dying out here espically stryder and nova
"OMG HE'S A COOL CHARACTER, PLZ DON'T NERF HIM."
Seriously? Being cool automatically makes a character "worthy" of having OP mechanics?
It works well for Dante/Vergil, and everyone else with a trenchcoat/sword, so why not.
LOL @ anyone who thinks they're "good" with magic series Wesker.
Low risk/Highest reward, since Vanilla, and will be. Since everyone will throw the biggest fit if they nerf his ABC tools, the most they can probably do is lessen his "glasses" mechanic and his health.
forget wesker, can we buff dlc ? lol i mean i want more characters, and i'm sure the fans of this game feels the same
of course all the ppl saying wesker doesn't need nerfs are wesker users.big surprise. yet going into ultimate I bet every wesker user expected nerfs.because they all knew wesker was too strong. now with the glasses buff he's just OP.all of top 7 had a wesker? come on now.
Please return iron mans air dash to vanilla status. Then he'd be viable again.
DESTROY WESKER please, I want him to be as bad as they made Tron.
People who use Wesker are going to say don't nerf him. But c'mon He has great normals, 1 frame command grab, Can zone most characters out via gun shot buff, 3 teleport gun shot actions in the air, Teleport mix ups, Plus x factor lvl 1 when your beating him up, lvl 2 x factor when he decides to spend meter, Above average health. Plus he is a already popular character just because it is wesker.
Look at ryu and his denjin mode. He only gets a speed buff and it only last for maybe 6 seconds. At the cost of a meter, and another meter if you want a super special and he can't build more meter. Wesker gets Damage and Speed buff until he tags out or he decides to taunt, plus he gains meter...
Now compare that to Thor, Hsien Ko, Tron, ect... He has every tool possible. Any character that requires 6 months of "getting used to" or building a specific strategy to defeat needs to be nerfed. If not then make every character in the game have a taunt that makes them get stronger and faster.
Nerf his Arse early or buff everyone else in the cast more.
You know I think many players here complaining about these characters are mostly online players. Characters like Wesker, Dante, Vergil and a few others are so strong online because your fighting againts lag. I can't count the number of times I correctly react to an assist/teleport cross up only to get hit even though I reacted accordingly.
This would appear to make these characters stronge than they are but in actuallity they suffer offline because you can react in real time to these mix ups without error. You can't see the nerfs on Wesker and the other characters because what makes these characters strong is how well they can cross people up.
These top tier teams are only as strong as the opponents they face. If your not a great player and you play online only, your gonna suffer twice as much than if you were offline.
The only solution is to play offline but of course a lot of people don't have a network of freinds in their area to experience this. It's a consistant problem in the west and it's spoiling players who can't experience this due to lack of a community in their area.
Remember that a number of Pros don't even play online because of the exact same problems online players face but they also have a community they can interact with offline.
Can someone explain to me why teleports aren't cheap? I think that what makes characters with several teleports so good it's because they have several options of teleports and their teleports are instant. For instant, Vergil, along with his reach and priority, and his instant teleport, gives me headaches, I think he's harder to beat than Wesker.
I don't mind Wesker's damage, I just think that his teleport is what makes him. I think they should nerf teleports in general. Am wrong? If so how to minimize their effectiveness?
PRepare for a long one people.I never played wesker, and i hate fighting him. That being said, it feels good when i smack him up with m team, especially good wesker players.I feel that people need to be careful what they wish for when it comes to balancing games, if the nerfing goes crazy people will start loosing interest in a character or the game, that bieng said GIVE SHE HULK HER SLIDE BACK!!! I miss my slide lol.
all u "just learn to play the game" ppl are retarded.wesker has been too strong since vanilla and only got stronger.when magic series,otg,magic series, otg,triple team kills just about every1 there's not much learning one can do to overcome such a dramatic difference in dmg.Any char with insane combo potential should be doing weskers dmg.spencer is another one but despite his dmg he isn't completely braindead like wesker.imagine dante or zero with weskers dmg.
#40 has a great point. some people have already said "if you nerf wesker there will be a new character people will whine about" and that character is Spencer. I use spencer and i'll be glad to use him post nerf but right now its too early and people need to actually learn matchups instead of crying less than a month after the game came out.
I main Wesker (Not a jump on the wagon guy, been playing hims since Day 1 Vanilla) and he def. needs to be toned down. Its not really the glasses thing, its when the Level 2 or 3 X-factor is added to it. Lowering his health won't do anything when you cant catch the dude. Just look at Strider, Zero, X-23, and Wolvie.....yeah health doesn't mean Shizzle!
Lol at the last question. He basically said "I don't wanna nerf Wesker. Deal with it."
Why don't you level up instead of whining? Oh right, leveling up is too hard so just cry for nerfs instead and then move on to complain about the next #1. Hopefully Niitsuma knows of this loop and won't address any complaints.
Remember SFIV? First it was "F*** SAGAT! NERF HIM!" Then SSFIV came along and it was "F*** GUILE! NERF HIM!" Now in AE it's "F*** YUN! NERF HIM!" And you know damn well that with what the pros have been saying it's going to be "F*** AKUMA! NERF HIM!" in AE 2012. I hate what the FGC has become lately.
@62 Thats not what he meant, what he is saying is that to nerf wesker would take time and they have their hands full on other things, most obviously Heroes and Heralds mode.
So such a demand would take awhile because they have other projects in the books.
Niitsuma: A difficult problem. We've already started working on innumerable things, and getting it out by the end of the year is hard enough.
One of those innumerable things better be DLC characters bud.
spencer and wesker have been out since feb. so plz stop this whole "its too early" crap.not one of the new chars do anywhere near wesker/spencers dmg with their magic series.at least spencer isn't completely braindead like wesker. but taking their combo potential into consideration a dmg nerf is needed.
The problem isn't really Wesker as much as X-factor is. They toned it down compared to vanilla, but still, if you got a character with good mixup and/or long combos (e.g. can combo after own OTG) X-factor lvl 3 is suddenly beastly. Good example (besides Wesker) would be Strider. Ouroboros and X-factor lvl 3 is insanely scary and can kill just about anyone with crazy teleport, wall clings and what not.
Is Wesker OP? Not really, he's just really, REALLY strong. He does have weak points like his air mobility and that he needs good assists to do longer combos.
Something they might consider is reversing his buff from the glasses. How about having the buff while the glasses stay on? That way, getting pummeled will take away the advantage, using hyper will take it away and the only way to get it back is by tagging him out and then get him back in, or use his lenghty taunt to get them back on. Personally, I think this kinda makes more sense, getting hit or using hyper has a tradeoff.
One thing though. What's up with the nerf on counter hypers? They are near useless without the invincibility given the fact that a lot of characters can do non-physical hypers to counter it on reaction. And now, with air X-factor, you can X-factor air moves on reaction and not get countered.
Just play KOFXIII.
Unlike Capcom, SNK did a good job re-balancing the game.
I find it hilarious that most people cry and complain about wesker nerfs, when in reality its the x factor lvl three wesker thats the problem, and heck most people don't like blocking. For some weird reason, no one actually bothers how to train against mix ups or even better...USE THEIR GRAB, its a 1 frame move that cock blocks the crap out of everything, ever since day 1 vanilla I've only fought a small handful of people that even use their grabs. But I'll agree on the glasses nerf, as for everything else keep the same and BUFF the lower tier characters (we dont want Capcom to pull a NeatherRealm afterall).
The game's fine, Xfactor is fine, if your a good player, you wont care and would know how to Stall or trick an Xfactored character. Complaining about Xfactor is stupid. Just learn the game and the characters you want.
If anything, my only complaint is Virgil's Level 4 being OTGable, it doesnt look like it so why should it? Either way im happy, patches is fine but nerfs and buffs, thats for whinners, not NOW atleast.
lol, you can tell who plays Wesker by the comments
Everyone crying to nerf Wesker are children or people who haven't been playing fighting games for more than a year.
Seriously, get over this stupid idea that nerfing fixes everything. Wesker isn't even the issue, it's level 3-factor for christs sake.
I already understand the Dark Phoneix is strong. But Come on the 375,000 health. Really thats ridiclious. Atleast give her 600,000 health or equal the lowest health character. Then when she Rebirths her health starts dropping like crazy. You have to go into Xfactor to keep it staying. Makes alot of people not want to use her at all cause and combo or speacial move they do on her can kill her unless she teleports and gets them from the back. I understand the tk shots can be spammed im glad they got rid of some of that. but weaken her to the point that no one really wants to use her that's not right at all. All im asking is for more health. cause on marvel vanilla i could honestly do more work on there then on here.
X-Factor is part of the meta game to stay. As for wesker really they dont need to nerf him all that much, remember the two reasons he is so good is because of the OTG assist and what happens at anchor. Keep his safe normals, take away the glasses buff, he does damage anyway, and buffing all the weaker characters will do just fine.
I believe that there are some characters that require to be nerf down but mostly I would rather for lower tier characters to be buffed, Tron and she hulk didnt deserve so many nerfs in the first place and there are so many characters you dont even/or barely see in the first place. It would be nice if they would get some buffs just saying.
First it was Sentinel, they nerfed him. Then it was phoenix, they nerfed her. So now everybody is crying about Wesker. I wonder who the next character everybody cries about is. Just keep the game the way it is and have people be creative and learn how to deal with characters their own way.
@62
Nobody was complaining about Guile. SSF4 was one of the most perfectly balanced fighters ever. Sagat and Yun actually deserved it though.
Wesker player's mindset: He's easy mode and we love it. Everyone else who disagrees are 100% wrong, no matter how right their opinions might be.
People ride Wesker because he was easy as it was in Vanilla and his new mechanics/tricks make him even more viable in tourneys. Hence, why 99% of all players use him.
-1 Button projectile that Self-OTG
-Wall bounce that he only needs to dash ONCE anywhere on screen to follow up (whereas Jill, etc need to carefully time a couple wavedashes to even think about following up after one.
-Normal and Hyper Counters
-High health
-High damage + Glasses mechanic
-Teleports
Characters like She-Hulk get nerfed to hell, but good ol' Wesker (with everything he already has) gets buffed. It's like they're saying:
"PLEASE. PICK WESKER. WE GOT TO PROMOTE RESIDENT EVIL 6."
LMFAO at 92. if you think Zero needs nerfs your a scrub. Zero has better mix up in UMVC3 but FAR LESS damage potential and a really harder execution. Wesker is probably one of the easiest character to play besides being far stronger than most of the cast damage wise. Ive been using Zero since the beginning of Vanilla and im no scrub i do agree that Zero is a good character but far from overpowered.
And for the people complaining about X Factor. Capcom want the comeback mechanics to be in the game si uts useless complaining about it. I think the best option is to remove the glasses buff and drop down Wesker's health just a little bit more. 900 000 would be fine.
I was disappointed with the sunglasses, when I read about it I was hoping it would have been this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNs0pF...
they could have made it a Hyper Combo or something
95 out of 100 people crying about Wesker have no real clue about his changes from Vanilla and/or don't block. His mixup game has been weakened (resets) which was one of the main reasons you played him on point and didn't need to use a super. Read Viscants posts on SRK.
To be honest I'm more afraid over the recent movement of extreme keepout and timeouts happening on streams. Keep that sh-t out of my marvel.
theres some stuff i assume they will change the damage output of allot of moves maybe firebrands dive slide i think maybe they will have damage taken out of the slide idk but i feel new character or disapointing new icon lol well see
@HighOnPCP yea man totally, I remember the days where if you were to try a comeback YOU had to fight for it and fight with the heart of female Latvian badger instead of asking the game to give you a bigger stick because you couldn't do it yourself. I miss the days when fools had to fight for their supper..... man I feel like an old man now, these youngsters never had it so easy! hahaha
Here's my relativity easy Wesker fix:
*Nerf his HP 100k
*Take away his glasses system.
Problem solved.
Xfactor is one of the best new additions of any fightinggame the last 5 years. Has so many functions (comebacks, combo extenders, guardstun stopping, nullify chipdamage deaths etc etc). Compared to ultras and rage it's genious in design. Remember all those comeback bionic arm moments and so on? Yeah those wouldn't happen otherwise. Think the game would be fun with 1 against 3 otherwise like #102 seems to think (who never in his life played marvel 2 of course) - yeah right.
If you want Streetfighter 4 go play it instead. Have fun with two honda toads sitting in opposite corners playing that RTS metermanagment. This game is about FUN. It's the best balanced versus-series game EVER - FACT. Get over yourselves and your own shortcomings.
I think alot frauds use Wesker and they are scared of him being nerfed because they rely on his easy damage and bs mixups to win.
Can't wait the knew patch and watching Wesker players have to work for wins instead of auto piloting. Nerf his ass Capcom :)
heres a nice simple nerf that'll go a long way AND make hundreds of Wesker players drop him: TAKE AWAY THE F*CKIN GUNSHOT->TELEPORT NOOBFEST. other than that, u guys are overreacting. i dont see a problem in Wesker, hes just good.his counter hyper got nerfed so u'll see that EVEN LESS now. so now hes gotta rush more. take away the easy-mode teleport, take away those STUPID INVINCIBILITY FRAMES on his COUNTER hyper, keep his glasses gimmick, just make him weaker. boom, problem solved.& all u guys complainin about wesker will just move to the next "cheap" character & whine anyway. lol why do u even have the game?
Wesker can stay as he is I really don't care (I don't even use Wesker) but they need to fix bugs within the game. If they nerf Wesker then whatever but all that will do is open the door for the next most complained about character whoever that is. Rinse and repeat they need to stop catering games to scrubs.
XFactor makes the game interesting and, as you can see on streams and in your own matches, the games health is carefully balanced so you might have a LITTLE life left over at the end of a combo for tag out. It's supposed to give the game the feel of a true tag team match, where your SUPPOSED to switch characters out a lot more than MVC2 or 3.
But there are three major problems with UMVC3 (Personal Experience playing Offline with great players, IMO)
1. Yes, Wesker. People can point at the Sentinel patch as a bad example, but these people are clearly scrubs because Sentinel became a very fair character with a godly assist. This is not "ruining a character" like many commentators have tried to hide behind. This is exactly the path Wesker has to go down. In a world where RR has 750,000 and Wesker has 900,000 life is a world that makes no sense. Maybe one day Rocket will show his stuff, but he will never beat on Wesker to warrant that life. Sentinel went down to 900 from 120000 and Wesker needs to go down to 750 to 800 to warrant his options like full screen teleport into one-frame command grad, godly assist and huge damage and 50/50 setups in the corner.
2. Yes, another character will emerge after Wesker, so wait a couple months and deal with it all at once. New characters that will prove very strong are Spencer (top), Vergil, Wolverine and Mags. Yes, I know they were nerfed but they still do great damage on most of the cast. Do they all NEED nerfs? Outside of Wesker and Spencer, I don't think so, at least not yet, but I hope Cap and the community are taking preliminary notes. It's not the 90's anymore, OP can show up within a week of a game vs. the 90's when it could take half-a-year. We learn faster, so we know faster. That's not a complaint on the modern FGC, but modern society.
3. Teleports. To break it down.
1.Double sided overheads with wide archs are free traps. One side is enough.
2. Late Push Block prevents ability to block a teleport from behind.
3. Seth Killian admitted some teleports, LVL 3 XF Wesker and Phoenix, are too fast for the game engine. So they made Wesker faster ... WTF?
---- TL:DR, Marvel is fun, XFactor is actually carefully balanced, Wesker is broken, Sentinel is a great character after the patch, Spencer is almost as OP, Cap needs to nerf and buff starting around Feb., teleports that start unblockables, and hit on both sides without the player needing to plan which side they want to attack and other teleports that are too fast for the engine to react - are broken.
Cant stray away from the truth that everyone used wesker at NEC XII for a reason.
Those who won used wesker, those who were losing ran to wesker as their last resort.
It's obvious wesker is a problem and everyone knows it. The only ones crying he doesn't need a nerf are those who are currently using him so naturally you wouldn't want your character nerfed.
TAKE AWAY THE GLASSES MECHANIC. Make him like he was in Vanilla, with maybe a 50k health nerf to 950k, and everything would be fine. Maybe lower his damage boost in xf3, but if you do that then keep his health at 1 million. JUST TAKE AWAY THE STUPID GLASSES CRAP.
After Wesker gets nerfed the new "OP"character will be.........Joe,yup Viewtiful Joe,hes too fu#in OP,but im ready for him,COME AT ME V.JOE!!!
#111
It's true. I've also heard many top players say wesker is too easy and sometimes they don't even know what side they are on when mixing up.
IF the player itself doesn't know what side they will end up on for their mixup then that should be a sign right there that there is a problem.
50/50 mixups are supposed to be a guess for the opponent not a guess for person doing it which always ends up in their favor.
I hate Niitsuma he's seriously a C(_)NT I can't stand him at all, I mean really, he's nothing but a bs'ing lie factory. The dude knows nothing of what he speaks, he gives dick around answers, and he's useless.... I don't know who's worse, Ed Boon and the whole MK Team, or this prick... Either way, they're both S#it heads and both need to be fired.
Niitsuma: Hey Yoshinori, people are complaining a lot about Wesker. He seems to be absolutely nuts in this version of Marvel given the sunglasses mechanic and the fact that no one has touched Phoenix. What do I do?
Ono: Hmmmm, this is a tough question. Your best bet is to give him even more buffs and then give him a Megaman alt because that's what the fans want.
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//This is probably actually how the dev team is
@106 Reality
hahahahaha someones stupid. You're stupidity doesn't even warrant a response greater then that.
#112 Except a lot of the top 8 players played Wesker in Vanilla to begin with.
#94 I've seen a few complaints, but maybe they were from people who always hated Guile. My point is there will always be a new character to whine about, nerfs fix nothing. If they break Wesker's legs and remove his teleport then watch someone show Spencer then all of a sudden "Spencer needs nerf!" It's a sad sight.
It's hilarious that people totally forget that Wesker is an extremely popular character. I'm pretty sure a lot of people play him because it's Wesker. Only at the competitive level do people play him for his strengths. Also, people Immortalize Wesker as if the guy has NO weaknesses whatsoever. Begging for a "balance patch" less that a month into the game? What has this world come to?
@118 Yup i wouldnt be surprised if thats exactly what they do.Megaman alts for everyone!!!
Seriously just nerf level 3 X-Factor across the board. It's retarded and I'm sick of seeing players control an entire match just to get wiped out by three combos under level 3 XF. Honestly, (if they HAVE to have X-Factor) I'd prefer only one level, and make it more like Level 1.5 no matter how many characters you have left. Seems way more fair to me.
But I'm glad the old titles are coming back. I need "My Stock is Rising!" back so badly lol.
@121
That's exactly what I'm talking about, I'd never defend Wesker as a character or whatever I mean I don't even play the dude anymore. It's the fact that I can just see the game being nuked with patch after patch after patch each time people complaining about a different character. It's sad.
The way I see it, they will have to consider either a health nerf, damage nerf, or both. Mix up wise, wesker is up there with strider and vergil. But his health is better than theirs and his damage requires less follow up. So if they do anything, it's possible he may have 900,000-850,000 health. Think about it, Wolvy is 950,000, his mix up is is 50/50 with no real teleport. Wesker can't have more health than him, so 850,000 seems reasonable and makes Wesker a mix-up char lvl fighter instead all round. If they keep the glasses mechanic, then he will have a damage nerf, and with his health so hearty he can get broken glasses and make that come back. Unless, they alter when his glasses break to an earlier point, if they nerf the health too. Oh man, this can be really stressful, even for me thinking this out loud, poor Niitsuma can't please everyone.
Let's hope the right choice is made
I am a Phoenix player (not because she is strong, but because she's one of my favorite X-MEN ever, alongside with Psylocke, Emma, Storm and Polaris :) ) and I have to say that they were waaaaaaaaay too harsh and strict with her gameplay engine, especially her health. I have faced a whole bunch of Weskers online and when they activate XF lvl3 it takes only 3 hits before I lose her! He is way too fast and strong and it is obvious that Capcom wanted him Top Tier. With the f@$k no block on dash, things are quite unfair for certain characters (eg Morrigan)and Weskers moves rely on openings and that's a HUGE advantage for him. Combine the glasses mechanism with XF lvl3 and it takes almost NO effort to "master" Wesker. In my opinion, he needs a health and dmg drop. Phoenix needs a health buff and more air gameplay. I wish it was only Phoenix in the game and no Dark Phoenix at all. DP should be a Hyper Combo just like Devil Trigger. Phoenix is so fun to paly with :)
Oh and Trish needs 1 or 2 buffs...
You can superjump backwards vs wesker all day, and as long as you keep an eye open to air grab shenanigans, you should be fine.
Wesker effectiveness was dropping off during the end days of vanilla MVC3, does no one recall this? Wesker became a worse and worse anchor as time went on, because by himself people were figuring him out, even with XFC.
Wait on nerfs/ buffs. Give the community time to develop ani-wesker strats.
If next years evo has 7 weskers in the top 8, by all means yell for nerfs. Until then, go learn how to play marvel, and quit your whining.
stop crying about wesker. he is a freaking boss. he supposed to be strong. he can dodge bullets in the resident evil series, and people didn't complain about it. guess what they did, they adapted to him and still beat him. i don't even play Wesker and i am tired of hearing and reading all this crying about one character he is very beatable. if everybody on UMVC3 was even people would still talk stupid about it. i hope they don't do anything else to this game. damn first they destroyed phoenix, they made magneto gay, and almost took akuma out of the game because of the complaints and ya'll still crying. THEY WERE FREAKING BOSSES
@130
How "strong" characters are in their respective video game series or comic canon should NEVER come before actually balancing a cast out. If that was the case, then Dormmamu, Doctor Strange, and Shuma Gorath should basically never lose to anyone except themselves.
It's not the fact that Wesker got buffed, it's also the fact that a lot of the popular characters in Vanilla got more nerfs than buffs, or simply became redundant. The characters that got buffed that hardly ever got played still don't get played, because they're harder to use, or simply do less damage than a character like Wesker.
Tron and She-Hulk, among others, didn't deserve the treatment they got. I don't find Wesker the problem, it's just the other characters aren't at his level.
Oh my god, Wesker's so overrated. "Zomg lvl4 x factor, zomg damage and speed" Since when is damage or speed the defining factor in Marvel? Almost every character can touch of death you in this game so what good does a damage boost do? Oooh I can kill in 25 hits now instead of 23. Woooooow. Plus his speed boost is hardly noticeable and doesn't even approach the speed of other quicker characters. Throw in the fact that Wesker can't control the opposing top corner AND the fact that he only really has 1 mixup with his teleport and it makes me wonder why everybody's scared of him. He's so predictable. Hell, he can't even hit confirm to get a full combo off a random gunshot anymore unless you waste a meter or lose half your life.
People are crying about wesker for no reason! The game barely came out, we don't need to see ANY nerfs yet. What is this, mk9?? Tweet to nitsuma to NOT NERF WESKER
All this talk about patches, dlc characters, and online makes me want God hand's Gene a whole lot more.
@131 well said. Word. Just add Dark Phoenix and you're perfect :)
Well, the whole Wesker thing starting to be "worse" can be said about Phoenix too. A lot of players discovered unblockables of how to completely destroy her in few seconds. Now she touches the limits of unplayable for the regular player. IMO no one was supposed to be OP, even the boss characters. Heroes and heralds should be the OP orgasm. The whole cast should be balanced even if we're talking about MvC. SF4 tried A LOT to prove itself balanced, MvC should do so.
Give us more characters! We will PAY for them for God's Sake!
They really do need to give the characters more health or lower the overall damage output in the game....strider could survive way more then they are giving him. having a x factor level 3 was not what he was about before it shoutd'nt be the case now.
Wesker 4 LYFF... Douwnt nerf wesker Hurr we lub Wesker Durrr F**k everyones else Hurr....
@131
Hulk would beat all three of them. Phoenix would cancel herself out. Ryu (Goku-Lite) would probably beat them all after being seemingly killed lol. Doctor Doom would probably figure out a way to kill every last one of them, though.
@131
i thought his use of the word "boss" was meant as slang. i only assumed this out of context (he started sentences with "damn", addressed the generalized community as "ya'll" and his name has two very intentional misspellings).
then i read it over, and remembered that once i was called a cheater in a lobby for using a team comprised of villains.
however, your point is valid and i agree. how childish.
MvC3 = Waaaagh nerf sentinel
once they did...
Waaaaagh nerf trons assist and phoenix
UMvC3
Waaaaaagh nerf Wesker
once they do...
Waaaagh nerf Spencer
once they do...
waaaaugh nerf doom's foot dive
once they do...
waaaaugh nerf Striders xfactor uroborous
and the trend continues.
Yal just shut up. Umvc3 just a cheap ass game for noone ThT can't handle real fighting games lk mvc2 or tekken even the king of fighters games
lol one tournament had many of the top players using the same character is like a death sentence here. Did you guys really go this nuts about Dante, Phoenix, Yun, Sagat, Magneto, Tron assist, Haggar assist, Honda/Bison (lol so many tournaments they won) when they were deemed great? It'll be so funny when they nerf Wesker and you guys cry about Zero. He has less health, but with 2 assists can kill nearly anyone in a single combo without xfactor or a nutty DHC, teleports (the devil around here, a very solid zoning game thanks to the crazy good buster and sougenmu, and some of the best normals period. I didn't even go into detail about some of his shenanigans. I'm not saying zero is too good. I'm saying there are a lot of crazy good characters in this game and messing with one won't make your low tier characters you refuse to step up with get any better.
Capcom likes OP characters in their games, they realised they messed up with SSF4 by making it too balanced, so they made hong kong edition.
UMVC3 was just a plot to make them more money. They nerfed phoenix to justify a new edition, but they made sure they still had an OP character in there.
Capcom says: "Stay free."
In my opinion they should just get rid of the glasses thing and nerf the health a little bit but then again we're going to complain about another character and the whole "nerf this guy nerf that guy" thing will never endI don't think there's going to be a perfectly balanced fighting game ever that's just me
"Wahhhh Wesker is OP, he needs patch wahhhhh". Seriously, just shut up. Every single game that comes out you guys always find someone to bitch about. Is Wesker strong? Yeah. Is he unbeatable? Not by a long shot. Besides, even if Capcom neuters him like they did Phoenix, you all will just move on to the next strong character that happens to beat you in a match. I love the fighting game community, but I've never seen a bigger group of crybabies in my entire life.
@153: As annoying as I'm sure the nerf crowd is, the people who almost copy-and-paste the same response like you are just as damn bad.
Also, it's funny how things change with an update like this. Back in the first part of this year, we weren't allowed to diss Phoenix like this without being scrubs who needed to learn the game.
When the next version rolls out, these same people won't have any problems with saying what they're yelling at their peers for now...
Can somebody pleeeeaase tell me why people are saying spencer needs a nerf and are comparing him to wesker in OP'ness? Are you guys out of your damned minds or just braindead? He is in no way as cheap as wesker. Wesker is a magic series idiot with godly everything and if you drop combo's with him then your simply scrub. Spencer needs positioning, timing, and you need to memorize his specials. he is in no way a low risk high reward character such as wesker. I don't even use spencer but i can tell you i don't see him a lot. I only saw PR rog and combofiend ever use him. not only that but he is very predictable without assists. Why is Wesker and Spencer even in the same damn sentence?
@154 Why? Because I'm calling people out on their bulls**t? I don't care if you think it's "copy-and-paste", I'm saying what needs to be said. Instead of spending all this time complaining, these people should be putting that time into leveling their game up.
@Glasstop
No one is saying Spencer is easy, but at a high level Spencer gets MASSIVE damage and has a lot of overhead options which means a lot of potential unblockables. Does it take skill? Yes, but once you get it Spencer reaches Wesker level lockdown and can basically kill any character once he touches you. That's too strong IMO, but we're all waiting. Wesker's a problem. And it's breaking the viability of the game.
Ideas for balancing Wesker:
- Glasses power and speed boost do not stack with Xfactor.
- Nerf his health to 900k maximum.
- More start-up on his gun.
- Glasses (OFF) also make Wesker take on 10% more damage.
- Unable to team hyper combo off OTG gun.
I do agree about the damage/speed increase with Wesker and his glasses but otherwise he is fine. If they were to nerf him I support the glasses option being removed.
I'm a Phoenix player and I still use her in Ultimate. Jean is one of my favourite characters so I'm pretty biased towards her but I also love the way she plays. Capcom did go completely overboard on the nerfs for her though I knew she was completely broken on Vanilla but in Ultimate it just went crazy. I can understand everything but the health reduce and the no action after an Air TK Shot. Phoenix was fine with her health in Vanilla but in Ultimate you really notice the difference when she gets hit and killed pretty easily. The Air TK Shot was basically what the hell? She can't even block so unless you are going to follow up the Shot with a Phoenix Rage and there's really no point in doing this with regular Phoenix since you need the precious bars Air TK shot is virtually useless now.
Phoenix is still a fantastic character if people know how to use her but if were to get any sort of buffs just giving me the ability to block after an Air TK Shot would be fine with me, keep letting her only do one Air TK Shot but let me block and that'll be fine.
@153
Phoenix is STILL GOOD! WTF are you talking about. Dark Phoenix can still take teams, easily.
Also read earlier that someone said that Sentinel turned into trash. That person is also a retard. Drone assist is still awesome and his damage is still very high.
@157
Thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard....
At high level, anyone is good you idiot. With Xfactor level 3 everyone does MASSIVE damage you idiot. And Lots of characters have great potential to open you up if you just sit there and block in a corner. Spencer has NO unblockables and is very predictable like i said. all he has is a command grab, and Weskers is much better mind you. Spencer also can be lamed out VERY easy. Weskers Xfactor level 3 is WAY better than spencers considering almost everything he does is safe and he is ridiculously fast and all over the screen. What your trying to say is this: "X factor level 3 is too strong IMO. Its a problem and its breaking the viability of the game". Dont compare spencer to wesker. Its just inane.
@160
Its true despite nerfs to Sentinel and Phoenix they are still great characters. Dark Phoenix can still wipe out whole teams in 10 seconds especially with air X-Factor its a huge buff to her and Sentinel's damage is still really high.
LMAO@ I wonder how Wesker players feel now that he is in Phoenix shoes....the entire community calling, screaming, and crying for nerfs! Thing is I have never touched that character nor have I had a problem beating him even in Ultimate Wesker is down there with Tron and Hsien Ko in percentage used, So since so many use him, I hope he gets Limited air teleports, limited gun shots, no teleport after gun shot, and 400,000 health HAHAHAHA....That's the ultimate revenge
@161
Glasstop are you a troll? Your adding words like "level 3 XFactor" and "At a high level anyone is good" - statements I never said. No, I said Spencer's damage is too high. Period. And at a high level every character can be good, but some are Great and some are OP. As a Spencer player you must not be very good to realize the potential in your character vs someone like Hsien Ko or Thor.
Please read better.
On a serious note tho, teleports are generally too good in this game. Either make it so you can not block after a teleport for like 15 frames, or make the recovery longer so you can not just come out of the teleport mid air and mash moves for instant overhead.
Stealing meter in this game is dumb, if you continue a combo to do an ariel exchange it should cost one meter like in tvc or they should have it that if you counter an ariel exchange you start doing a combo in the air with your team like the old mvc3 build they had at e3.
I hate easy mode wesker with a passion. But all I want is she hulks old slide back there was no need to nerf her whatsoever. Wesker deals out high damage and his combos are designed so that an 8 year old can execute them.
Leave the Wesker the way he is. That way people can actually learn the matchup. Sometimes that's all you need to do. Deal with it and play the matchup. How do you think people adapted to MvC2 after all these years? Once you learn how to deal with him, it allows you to grow into a better player. If they simply nerfed him to the ground, sure you wouldn't have to deal with a lot of them online, but you wouldn't have learned anything in the process. I remember back when Sentinel used to be a threat in Vanilla, but now that most players know the matchup, he's primarily used as an assist character now. Go in training mode and practice your combos that'll deal the most damage to Wesker. After that, fight the computer. The CPU can do the same amount of BS you see Wesker use online so try and find ways around it with your team. The game's only month old, so who knows how the tiers will be shuffled with time. You just gotta make the best of what you've got.
Okay one more things is this whole damage thing. EVERYONE in this game has an average damage of about 600k. If this was vanilla then fine but EVERYONE hits like a tank now. Wesker's damage is average now compared to everyone else. You want damage? See Spencer's 1 mil+ solo combos with literally like one bar. Hard to execute or not it is still insanely high.
#169 Her slide was an easy mode tool, your hypocrisy is delicious.
@165
Please explain this sentence to me: "No one is saying Spencer is easy, but at a high level Spencer gets MASSIVE damage and has a lot of overhead options which means a lot of potential unblockables." At a high level...Meaning pro's or x-factor? Either way your statement is retarded. And last i checked, the only overhead spencer had was a very slow forward H. Everything else is fair game. Statements you never said....Yeah spencer has great combo potential and great damage...same as 90% of the cast. And Hsien ko, Thor, And the new tron were purposely made to be garbage. You blame capcom on that. You said Spencers damage was too high...is that during or without X-factor? Anyone comparing wesker to spencer is straight up stupid. Its not Spencer thats OP, its the damn person using him. Any village idiot can hop on wesker and grab easy victories. DO NOT COMPARE THEM!!!
@171 I don't agree with nerfing her slide either. It was a good tool she had to get in on zoning characters. But they give her slide to Hawkeye? Why does he, a zoning character, need the slide? To...get in? It just made no sense to me.
How does the glasses change any of Wesker's matchups anyway? How does removing it change anything?
Seems like the main reason he's popular is how effective his OTG gun is on point and as an assist. Second reason would be that he is super easy to use.
They need to do a better a job at nerfing his air throws and his gun. That's all.
The only thing that bothers me most is if/when they decide to nerf Wesker that will get scrubs thinking that if they complain long enough about something it will just get patched until it's basicly complain/patch/complain/patch etc etc which I'm not cool with. Everyone with a working brain knows if Wesker gets nerfed his shoes will just get filled by another character followed by patch 2.0.
@ 181
Which direction A-hole?
U heard of assist > Teleport traps?
@Ninjanuity
god, you're so stupid. All you're doing is mimicking words from washed up has been "pros" without actually thinking about why the nerf was there. GTFO and learn the game, don't come back til you do
@168 I agree. Online is nothing but exchange, exchange, exchange.
And once people start abusing in tournaments ...
ok in my opinion the game is fine, just make a couple of characters like Hsien-ko and Morrigan able to block on dash and just slighly nerf Wesker damage and XFactor duration, also I would like to see Deadpool be able to use unlimited teleport but thats just icing :)
If Wesker gets nerfed it makes sense. Every other teleport, mix-up rush down character has much less health and does much less damage than he does. (Strider and Zero are the two most obvious since they are teleport/rush down types). Without meter neither of those characters has great damage output. Wesker hits like a truck with or without meter and has so much more health.
@182 What, am I supposed to do everything for you? Block low until you see an overhead coming, always be expecting the left/right teleport assist crossup, chicken block, react to what the opponent is doing. This is all common sense at any level of play higher than beginner, which shouldn't be dictating balance changes anyway.
ok I have the solution for every1 problems just put Gems in the game that should make it balance! now that this is happening im starting to see why are gems gonna balance the game
@183 Hows about you shut up and get off your high horse? I was stating an opinion, you idiot. Learn to actually think before you start talking sh*t behind your keyboard, you little scrub.
@188 We already have that with Heroes and Heralds. And even Seth himself said that it's so broken it's not to be taken seriously.
@139 i meant the 15th of November sorry. dame i get called retarded for being a day off....LMAO! WOW GET A life either way its to damn early to be asking for nurfs and buffs let the game be. And i bet the same guys asking for this sh*t are the same one's that bitched about their being a umvc3. GO GET LAID OR SOMTHIN MAN! Y U GUYS MAD BRO?
To be honest Wesker is only awesome in x-factor level 3 other wise he is just a slightly above average character. People talking about Wesker's damage need to grow up, and take a look at other peoples damage, and compare it to Wesker's. And when you do you'll realize he does about 25-30% less damage than most of the cast. And Yes with a level 3 Wesker can do 1,000,000 damage + but so can everyone else with a level 3 just about. He also struggles against alot of the small characters like Zero, and characters that control the air like Morrigan, and trish, his range is only sub-par at best. Yes I realize he has a teleport, but it isn't just the greatest thing ever, unless he is in x-factor lvl 3. You can easily react to normal Wesker's teleports. If you can't well thats your own shortcomings.
Don't shout nerf Wesker, shout nerf x-factor. It's the only reason anyone is saying anything about Wesker. If Wesker is nerfed then you will just have to deal with x-factor lvl 3 Strider with Ouroboros, or people will go back to Phoenix, or Akuma, or some other character who is god like as an Anchor and you will be crying nerf then too. Please stop trying to nerf characters, and try to nerf the true problem that makes the game extremely annoying. Which is X-factor. Wesker isn't the only one who can go abc super and kill a whole team by himself in x-factor, he just has the easiest time about it.
Oh and before you say deal with X-factor cuz your a scrub, I do deal with it, I run from characters who are 3 times faster then me like a chicken with it's head cut off, because the game allowed the person I was killing to get a huge boost, and yes I realize I also have x-factor lvl 3, but I also am forced into a mix up situation the moment my last character comes out, and if I make one wrong mistake and get mixed up the character dies before I can make use of it. If I do manage to survive to my last character, and my opponent runs out, they are innitially f*#ked because my character is 3 times faster then they are with touch of death. I've done scrubby wins with X-factor lvl 3, and I'm sure everyone has won with x-factor lvl 3 on the last character, even after losing the first two. I get the come back mechanic, but fixing the amount of time it has to last isn't something that would be that hard to fix, and would still allow for a smarter comeback mechanic instead of press 4 buttons and become a god.
On a side note game is fun as fawk. :D Don't change too much capcom and f*#k it up.
Well regardless if you are Pro nerf/buff Anti nerf/buff one thing is for sure; There is a REASON why Wesker was on the top 8 teams in the recent tournament and I doubt the reason was because they all happen to like Wesker as a character which seems to be many people excuse on here.
Wesker is a strong character naturally and he stands a hell of a better chance at closing out wins than any character in the game. I understand the reason for this because pros want to stand a better chance at winning and if Wesker is the best choice then people are gonna pick him.
But I think it's a problem because it creates this dependancy that actually hampers the meta-game. It forces players to create anti-Wesker teams (Yes they exist) and teams designed to beat them. Small, nich teams that make up only 5% of the cast.
So what we get is a repeat of MvC2 where there is only a hand full of characters that are strong and one being too strong. Thats what was happening with Pheonix/Dark Pheonix. What did people do, they had Anti-pheonix teams. The same will happen here.
So weather you like nerfs/buffs or not it's necessary to keep the game inteesting especially in a new era where more and more fighters (not just capcom fighters) are being made and actually doing better than games like MvC3.
@#195 Nerf x-factor and you won't have to build teams around just beating Wesker he isn't that strong regularly to warrant that. And almost every Wesker user was useing him as an anchor.
@196 I hear ya but capcom is dead set on making X-Factor the number one feature of MvC3. How do you get a company to nerf something they support. Niitsuma said it himself it's a big part of the game.
I guess you could nerf X-Factor but since it's a part of the game, the only thing left is nerf/buffing things. Don't really know anymore because everyone has a huge opinion on this.
There's not even talk of balance...just a patch. Patches for Mahvel are typically bug/infinite fixes, not actual balance.
Blame Queza01 for tossing that bit about a patch into his question and allowing Ryota to give such a broad answer.
F*cking idiots...only ask 1 question!
Don't worry everyone capcom knows how to fix this unbalance problem... its called another game in 6 months its called Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 AE edition.
@190
your opinion is as useless as a white crayon. GET AT ME SON. you have no idea what you're talking about, ever.
@201 F*ck off and go be stupid on your own time.
Stay free and scared behind that keyboard you p*ssy. :)
only 200 comments in a few hours on here and SRK?
Nah...not a big deal
@200
Why don't they just play Wesker if they want to win without exerting any effort? lol
*puts on shades*
As I said back at #111, XF is fine. If you haven't had the unfortunate ability to fight a good Wesker without XF then good on you, but once you play someone who can lock down with the character and truly abuse unblockables and command throws you'll see this isn't misguided distrust at Wesker instead of XF, it's really XF.
PLEASE REMOVE THE STUPID "SPECTATING" MESSAGE, IT'S ANNOYING AND ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS UNLESS YOU'RE CLINICALLY RETARDED.
#173 youre an idiot. realize the facts and the majority of ppl's thoughts on their comparison. Spencer is probably the 2nd most typical anchor character in the game. his air attack is just as universal as wesker, he does JUST as much damage, AND has a mid attack to top things off. all the tier whore weskers will be switching to him when Capcom decides to shut u crybabies up and Wesker.I still dnt see the big deal about Wesker is. his L.teleport recovery is a little too good tho, i'll admit. u guys should just sell your games, this is sad. and i agree with #148's comment
they need to CAREFULLY buff up a bunch of the weaker characters and slightly nerf down wesker