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Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 Alpha changes for all 39 cast members

Posted by Catalyst — August 24, 2011 at 11:47 p.m. PDT

Updated again: All of the Alpha changes to SSF4 AE v2012 have been added into this blog, which includes parts 1 and 2, which were posted earlier, so all 39 character's notes can be found in the same story. A few side notes for Cody, Guy and Yang were also added into this piece.

The third and final blog post detailing many of the changes being implemented into the arcade location tests for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition has been posted now.

Hit the jump to check everything out.

Abel

We’ve reviewed changes that were made from SSF4, and have made his strong points more obvious this time around.

• Crouching Hard Punch's hitbox returned to it's SSF4 status where you could use it as an anti-air.

• All Tornado Throws do 10+ more damage. Light: 160, Medium: 180, Hard/EX: 200

• The second low hit of Abel's Change of Direction had its hit stun modified so that Second Low -> FADC gives you a maximum of +9 frames of advantage. Utilizing this, you can now do the combo Second Low -> FADC -> cr.HP -> Ultra 1.

• Breathless (Ultra 2) is now invincible to attacks during the initial charge start up, until the beginning of hit detection.

Adon

We have improved aspects people complained about, and also moves that were hard to use.

• Close Standing Medium Punch is now at -4 frame disadvantage on block. This was -6 in Arcade Edition.

• Close Standing Medium Kick is +2 on hit, and +3 on block. This was -1 on block and +4 on hit in AE, so it's a big change.

• Adon's focus attack's hitbox size was increased so that it won't whiff on certain characters while crouching.

• All versions of Rising Jaguar got a horizontal hitbox increase on their first hits. This will prevent accidental cross-unders after an FADC of Rising Jaguar.

• Also, there is now one extra frame in Rising Jaguar where it can be FADCed. Thus now it is possible to follow up with Ultra 2.

• Ultra 1 hitbox adjusted so that it's less likely to whiff against standing opponents at close range. This will still whiff on crouching opponents, though.

Akuma

We have made modifications taking into account the overall gameplay balance, as well as his potential for loop setups.

• Demon Flip Punch attack no longer an overhead and can be blocked low.

• Forward throw recovery has had two more frames added after an opponent has been thrown.

• When you cancel a teleport into Ultra 2, the damage has been increased to 421.

Balrog

Changes made to his overall damage in Super SFIV AE have now been readjusted.

• Headbutt damage back to what it was in SSF4, Medium Punch 120, Hard Punch 140 and EX 150.

• Ultra 2 damage is 399, up from 300 in Arcade Edition.

• Hit properties on Dash Overhead changed so that it can combo into Crouching Medium Punch on all characters.

• Close Standing Hard Punch hitbox extended downwards so that it hits crouching characters that it used to whiff on.

Blanka

• Each Rolling Attack (Beast Roll) gets an extra 10 in damage, so Light Punch 110, Medium Punch 120, Hard Punch 130, EX 120.

• Hard Punch and EX Rolling Attack: Any damage dealt during the first 2 frames, the ones you can FADC during, is now considered knockdown damage. For example in close range, cr.LK x2 -> LP -> H. Rolling Attack will now combo into a knockdown.

• EX Rolling Attack can now be FADCed within the first 2 frames in order to allow for bigger damage afterwards.

• Charged Rock Crusher gives Blanka a +5 frame advantage, so he can do Rock Crusher, c.MK, Hard Punch Rolling Attack as a combo.

Cammy

Mostly unchanged except for a few things:

• Hard Kick Spiral Arrow: After much request, we have modified the active hit box back to the way it was in SSF4. Specifically, the first part of the move is active for 7 frames, and the second part is active for 12 frames, for a total of 19 frames. When combined with the buffs she received to her normal moves in Super SFIV AE, we feel it’ll be easier to combo her moves now.

Chun-Li

• Head Stomps will come out when holding down-forward, not just down. They note that down-back doesn't work, though.

• Kintekishu (Back + Medium Kick) +3 advantage on counter hit, easier to hit confirm into the second hit.

• Her Sweep (Crouching Hard Kick) has 150 stun.

• Fireball startup is 9 frames, easier to use as anti air and in combos.

• They are fixing the bug where characters fell out of the Ultra 1 juggle in Arcade Edition.

Cody

One point we focused on were the knife attacks, that many people complained had little uses in a real match. We also changed his spacing ability and movement.

• Walk speed both forwards and backwards has been increased.

• Hammer Hook (Toward + Hard Punch) has been heavily revised in terms of frame advantage. If Hammer Hook lands on a standing opponent, then Cody is at +3 frame advantage. If he hits a crouching opponent with it he gets -1 frame disadvantage. If the move is guarded, Cody is at -4 frame disadvantage. You can also use this move while holding a knife.

• After connecting a Hammer Hook on a standing opponent, cr.LK xx MK Ruffian Kick followup combo is now possible.

• Bad Spray is now two hits and Super cancellable. You can now FADC the Bad Spray.

• Bad Spray, FADC into Final Destruction (Ultra 1) is now possible.

• Medium Ruffian Kick has had a hitbox size increase in the forward direction.

• EX Zonk Knuckle's first hit does further horizontal knockback.

• The blog notes that EX Zonk Knuckle -> FADC -> Final Destruction (Ultra 1) is a little easier now.

• Cody can now block during his Knife Pickup animation.

• Knife Standing Light Punch +6 on hit. This was +5 in AE.

• Knife Standing Medium Punch is +2 on hit. This was +3 in AE.

• Knife Standing Hard Punch is +3 on hit. This was +2 in AE.

• Knife Crouching Medium Punch now has 4 active frames, smaller arm hurtbox, making it harder to stuff.

• Knife Crouching Hard Punch is now a 7 frame start-up, easier to use as anti-air.

• Neutral/Forward jump Light Punch active for 10 frames.

Keeping in mind the overall balance, damage and specific move properties have been changed.

C. Viper

• Medium Punch Thunder Knuckle's damage reduced by 10, down to 110 damage.

• EX Thunder Knuckle startup reduced to 25 frames, but +2 recovery on hit. As start up time has been reduced, the move should be more useful in punishing an opponent’s back dash.

• EX Seismo's (Ground Pound) damage reduced by 20, down to 100 damage.

• Ultra 1 reduced to 441 damage, down from 480.

• Ultra 1 hitbox improved so it's easier to hit fully after Air Burn Kick and Hard Punch Thunder Knuckle.

• Ultra 2 damage increased to 410, up from 380 in Arcade Edition.

In a lot of ways we are aiming to make this the strongest version of Dan ever in a Street Fighter Series, so we have changed many things.

Dan

• Pushback from his close Standing Hard Kick has been shortened, to allow a follow up close ranged attack when it hits properly.

• Close Medium Punch now starts up in 5 frames. This was 6 in Arcade Edition.

• Crouching Hard Kick now starts up in 10 frames. This was 11 in Arcade Edition.

• The combo cl.HK, cl.MP, cr.MK xx EX Dankukyaku is now possible. Also if the cl.MP is a counter hit, you can now follow up with a sweep for a guaranteed knockdown.

• Reduced the height limit on Air EX Dankukyaku (Dan Kicks), they can be done from the 7th airborne frame now. Stun was reduced to 250.

• Dragon Punch, FADC, EX Air Dankukyaku can be done now.

• Air Hard Kick Dankukyaku now deals 150 damage instead of 120.

• Hard Kick Dankukyaku now deals 130 damage instead of 120.

• Dan's Jumping and Crouching Taunt build meter now. 70 on hit, 30 on block.

• Dan's Super Hissho Buraiken has been altered so that it's harder for characters to have hits whiff against them. However, the blog notes this buff won't work if you activate from too far away.

Dee Jay

We’ve focused on helping him with his lack of power, and buffing his hard-to-use Ultra 1, Sobat Festival.

• Far Standing Medium Punch hit box size has been enlarged towards the front, now allowing him to cancel into a super move, similar to Ryu. As it does 90 damage, sometimes players might want to trade hits in order to setup something bigger.

• The amount of time that a "Counter Hit" can be registered on Dee Jay after he fires an Air Slasher (Fireball) has been decreased.

• Double Rolling Sobat (Dread Kicks) got a damage increase. Light 80 -> 90, Medium 100 -> 110, Hard 120 -> 130.

• Fixed problem with the Medium Kick Double Rolling Sobat where the second hit would whiff after the 1st hit.

• Dee Jay can now cancel out of Sobat Carnival (Super) into Sobat Festival (Ultra 1). This makes him, according to the blog, the only other character besides Dan who can cancel a Super directly into Ultra. If you land both it does around 570 damage. The cancel timing is right before the last hit of Sobat Carnival, so if you can input the Ultra command in time you can cancel into the Ultra.

Dhalsim

Without influencing the total balance too much, the damage on a number of his moves has been modified, and the goal of making the character easier to use was kept in mind for changes.

• Yoga Inferno (Super move) damage 75 x 2, 60 x 3 for a total of 330 damage. This did 300 damage in Arcade Edition.

• EX Yoga Blast damage is 140 still, but damage between the two hits has been redistributed by adding 20 to the first hit and subtracting 20 from the second, resulting in 90 + 50. Thus, returns from the initial hit are increased a little.

• Standing Light Punch active for 4 frames. But other frame info unaltered.

• Hurtbox on Medium and Hard Punch Yoga Blasts reduced.

• Can follow up a Hard Punch Yoga Blast with additional moves for a combo.

Dudley

We have tried to increase his total potential by revising his moves and attributes.

• Standing Hard Kick is now +7 on counter-hit. The blog notes that if you land a counter-hit standing Hard Kick and cancel into Light Ducking, you'll still be at +4.

• Neutral jump Light Punch got a hitbox size buff and the active frames were increased.

• Neutral Jump Hard Punch startup changed to 6 frames, the active frames were increased and the hitbox was extended in size. It started up in 8 frames in AE.

• Angled jumping Light and Medium Punch have had their active times lengthened.

• Dudley's Level 1 Focus Attack has an extra frame of blockstun, when it's guarded. This means that if you dash forward after a Level 1 Focus Attack is guarded, Dudley is now at -3.

• Medium and Hard Short Swing Blow attacks had their hurtbox on Dudley's lower body reduced, it's also easier to connect against a crouching opponent with this.

• EX Thunderbolt does not flash yellow right away and the sound is delayed a bit too, to keep it more ambiguous.

• Thunderbolts no longer lose out as often against airborne opponent's attacks. On hit, opponent cannot tech roll afterwards.

• You can now Super Cancel Dudley's rose taunt. This also means that you can FADC it.

• Dudley's Ultra 1 will now strike more hits against an airborne opponent. [Translator's note: The blog might be talking about making Dudley's Ultra 1 and Ibuki's Ultra 2 so that they juggle non-cinematic like Yun and Yang's do.]

El Fuerte

We aimed to make him more fun for players who use him, so without affecting the overall balance too much, we have made some changes.

• Invincibility returned on Propeller Tortilla, like it was in SSF4. It's invincible after startup now.

• Reduced charge time on EX Quesadilla Bomb from 390 frames down to 210 frames.

• EX Quesadilla Bomb on counter-hit now does a wallbounce damage.

• From mid-screen after the wall bounce you can do Habanero Dash -> Gordita Sobat. If you are near the corners instead you can follow up with a Guacamole Leg Throw.

• Quesadilla Bomb's recovery was reduced by 10 frames after the move hits for the normal level 3 charge and EX versions of the move.

• Crouching Light Punch can be chain cancelled into other light attacks.

• Another bug was fixed which caused certain characters to fall out of HP -> Habanero Dash -> Calamari Slide.

Evil Ryu

• Health and stun both increased to 900, these were previously 850.

• Far Standing Hard Kick has a bigger hitbox.

• Sweep starts up in 6 frames now, this was 7 frames in AE.

• Far Standing Hard Punch causes a knockdown on counter hit.

• Target Combo's standing Hard Punch causes a knockdown now and can be followed up with an FADC for even bigger damage.

• You can now cancel the Hop Kick into an Air Hurricane Kick. This includes EX. If you are in the corner, you can combo Hop Kick -> Air EX Hurricane Kick -> Ultra 1 or Axe Kick.

• One more frame of invincibility on Medium Dragon Punch.

• Hard Axe Kick now has 26 frames of startup and can be comboed into. Damage and stun on the move has been reduced to 130 and 150, respectively, and has same properties as Medium version to go for additional hits. This attack did 140 damage and 200 stun in AE. It started up in 27 frames before.

• Light Axe Kick on hit gives +1 frame advantage, and the startup on the EX version is 21 frames now. It was 22 frames in AE.

• Landing the Medium or Hard Axe Kick against an airborne opponent causes an untechable knockdown.

• Raging Demon damage increased by 20, doing 370 damage now.

• The amount of time to charge Ultra 1 to full power has been decreased. As an example, you can now land a fully charged Ultra 1 after a Level 2 Focus crumple. A combo example; EX Hadouken -> Level 2 FA crumple -> Full Ultra 1 animation.

E. Honda

• Light Punch Headbutt gets its upper body invincibility back. However, any damage done when it's in this invincible state has been toned down to 100 points.

• Lower body invincibility has been added to the Medium Punch Headbutt. SSF4 players who devised strategies for the light version will be able to come up with new technology for this move as well.

Fei Long

For this character, which has great tools for dominating horizontal space and other top class attributes, we took the overall gameplay balance into account when making these changes.

• For the light, medium and hard Rekka Kens, we have adjusted the block stun for the second Rekka hit. Specifically, for a blocked second Rekka, Fei Long now receives:

Light: -8 frames, Medium: -10 frames, Hard: -12 frames of disadvantage.

• Second hit Rekkas have less pushback now, so it's easier to punish on block.

• For light and medium Rekka Kens, the second hit does half as much chip damage.

• Flame Kick's damage has been revised.
Light: 120 -> 110 Medium: 140 -> 120 Hard: 160 -> 150 EX: 200 -> 190

• If you FADC a Flame Kick (any version) after the first hit, on block it is now -1.

• Hard Kick Chicken Wing's damage has been revised. It is now 35+35+30 for a total of 100.

• They've modified the hitboxes of all Chicken Wings in a way that they're less likely to cross-up, but still possible.

• Fei Long can no longer do a half loop combo on certain characters with Close MP -> EX Chicken Wing.

• For both close standing and far standing LP, hitstun has been decreased by 1 frame. On hit it is now +5, so you can't combo into certain moves now.

• Crouching MP's damage has been reduced from 65 to 55.

• Damage for his overhead (Toward + MK) has been increased from 60 to 70.

Gen

In order to change him into a more technical character, we have made specific buffs.

• Crane stance cr.HP now only receives 1.25 counter hit damage when Gen is hit.

• Increased the active frames of Crane Crouching Hard Kick by 5.

• When the final hit of Medium and Hard Kick Gekiro comes out, you build +10 meter.

• The final hit of a Hard Kick Gekiro performs an untechable knockdown now.

• EX Jyasen properties have changed drastically. First off, depending on the button combinations (light + medium, light + hard, medium + hard), the movement distance and number of damage hits will change, in addition to Gen being invincible to projectiles until the completion of hit detection. Also for all strengths of Jyasen, whether the attack right before the final part hits or is blocked, the opponent recovery has been increased by 4 frames. So after a FADC, Gen is +6 on hit, and +2 on block, giving him an advantage.

• Mantis Ultra 2 (Shitenketsu) has reduced startup from 9 to 7 frames.

Gouken

• The blog states Gouken has received the largest adjustments so far.

• Gouken's Denjin Hadouken (Ultra 2) has received many changes. The largest difference is that now depending on the number of times you spin the lever from the super flash to execution, you can increase the speed of the projectile up to 3 levels. The fastest speed is about 2 times as fast as the current speed, leading to more opportunities for it to hit.. This is how Ryu's Denjin fireball worked in Street Fighter 3 Third Strike.

Which attack level you get depends on how long you hold the move, and is not related to the Ultra Combo gauge amount. The specific frames are:
Level 1 – 13 frames
Level 2 – 17 frames
Level 3 – 37 frames
Level 4 – 57 frames
Level 5 – 80 frames

• Also, 45 more damage added to all the "levels" of Denjin Hadouken charges. For example, a level 1 attack will do 300 damage, and a level 5 attack will do 540 damage.

• All of Gouken's Running Palms got altered. Hitbox size on Light Running Palm increased towards the front. Medium Palm Strike has been changed to be the same as Light Palm Strike in SSF4. Hard Palm Strike has been changed to be the same as Medium Palm Strike was in Super. These changes will make the moves much more useful than before.

• Gouken's counters have a larger counter-box around his body, so it will be easier to intercept attacks. Stun for each counter increased from 150 to 200.

• Hit stun on cr.HP has been increased, allowing for close MP -> cr.HP -> EX Palm Strike to hit characters that it would previously whiff on.

Guile

• Balance adjustments centered around the changes made to him from Super to Arcade Edition.

• The frames in which Guile could be counter-hit after Sonic Boom have been eliminated.

• Air throws have 3 frames of startup now, this is down from 4 in Arcade Edition.

• Toward + Hard Punch does 100 damage, up from 90 in SSF4 AE.

• Can't be thrown out of upside down kick from the 6th frame until the last active frame.

Guy

Keeping his same fighting style, we’ve focused on improving the strengths of his moves.

• The hitbox on Guy's Neutral Jump Hard Punch has been increased in size.

• Angled jump Medium Punch and angled jump Hard Kick have also received expansions to their hitboxes and hurtboxes. For the most part it will be easier to hit opponents beneath you now after these changes.

• The blog notes that when it says hitbox size increase, it mostly means they extended the bottom for each one.

• Guy's ground throw range has been increased. The blog says that it's now the same as Ryu's.

• Elbow Drop (command normal version) can now be activated with the joystick in the down-back or down-toward position.

• If you choose not to perform an attack after the Izuna Flip, this includes the EX version, Guy's landing recovery has been removed. This way you can choose to land right in front of the opponent to go for a normal throw, or try to bait out an attack to go for a counter.

• EX Hurricane Kick got a hitbox adjustment so that the opponent gets juggled into all of the hits easier. It no longer will easily whiff versus opponents who jump in, or specific characters who have a low crouch.

• Neck Flip was changed so the move won’t fly over opponents who are crouched in close proximity.

• His retreat speed has been sped up, which makes it easier to control distance with the opponent.

• Increased movement distance on Bushin Goraisenpujin (Ultra 1).

• Increased throw range on Bushin Muso Renge (Ultra 2).

Hakan

We wanted to wipe away the image that he is a weak character, so we made a number of buffs.

• Hakan gets oiled from the start of the match.

• Neutral Jump Light Kick hitbox is bigger.

• Neutral Jump Light Punch is active 8 frames.

• Neutral Jump Medium Punch is active 4 frames.

• Jumping Light Punch is active 8 frames.

• Crouching Hard Punch now hits twice.

• Toward + Medium Punch has a smaller vulnerability area during the start of hit detection.

• Hakan now slides when you do Guard Position (Command Crouch) from a dash and you're oiled, applies to both forward and back dashes.

• Oil Slide does more stun; if you input Oil Shower follow-up, the slide does 100 stun. If you do the Body Press follow-up, 150 stun total during the press. This means you won't miss your combo chances if you stun an opponent with the slide.

• Oil Dive's trajectory and reach revised, buffing Hard Kick and EX.

• Medium and Hard Oil Dive, when whiffing a crouching opponent, will go past your opponent to make punishing him harder.

• Light Kick Oil Dive has a faster startup, Medium Kick has the old LK startup, Hard Kick has the old MK startup.

• Dive won't whiff against shorter characters if they're standing.

• Hakan's Super activates faster, throw priority has been increased and, like Oil Dive, Medium and Hard versions can pass over crouching opponents. LK and MK have a faster startup.

Ibuki

We’ve made improvements where we can, along with revising some of her other attributes.

• Bonsho Kick (Toward + Hard Kick) is now +1 on hit, -3 on block and +5 on counter-hit. It also has a different movement trajectory, will hit crouching opponents more easily. This attack used to be -1 on hit and -5 on block in AE.

• Hammer Kick (Toward + Medium Kick) startup time reduced by one frame, it now starts up in 25 frames.

• Tsujigoe (Command Jump) is throw invincible until Ibuki is airborne, from activation until 12 frames and has a smaller hurtbox, making low attacks are easier to dodge; can Super cancel from an earlier timing than before. This way you can fake a normal right in your opponent’s face and then go for her Super.

• Yoroi Toshi's (Ultra 1) fireball release after a whiffed grab will now combo into full hits if it lands on an airborne opponent.

• Yoroi Toshi's fireball will also fully connect against a backdashing opponent, if your spacing is correct.

• Ibuki's Ultra 2 has been altered so that it juggles airborne opponents. The blog had a hard time explaining this one, but basically after a Level 2 Focus Attack, and allowing the opponent to crumple, all hits of Ultra 2 will still land. This might be the non-cinematic juggle like Yang and Yun can do.

Juri

Based on the overall gameplay, we modified her so that she is able to attack in a more technical manner.

• Faster toward dash during Feng Shui Engine (Ultra 1), further reach.

• Close Medium Kick 2nd hit has a larger hitbox, less likely to whiff when the 1st hits.

• Focus Attack hitbox revised, will hit smaller characters, when crouching, etc.

• Fuhajin (Fireball) kick attack damage to 50.

• Senpusha (Pinwheel): LK is has 5 frame extra advantage on first hit; MK, HK have 5 frame extra advantage on 1st, 2nd hit; EX has 5 frame extra advantage on 2nd hit.

• Senpusha -> FADC -> Kaisen Dankairaku (Ultra 2) now possible.

• EX Senpusha has an extra frame of invincibility during Feng Shui Engine for the first hit.

• EX Shikusen (dive kick) trajectory can be changed by the kick buttons used during Feng Shui. LK+MK: Same trajectory as before; MK+HK: Same as normal MK version, LK+HK: Same as normal HK version; LK+MK+HK has the same trajectory as before.

• Juri now gains 1/3 meter during Feng Shui Engine, improved from no meter gain.

Ken

His play style will be similar to its current form, and some small changes will be made.

• Target combo hits easier on crouching opponents, can also delay the inputs.

• EX Shoryuken damage 80+30+30+50, for 190 total. This did 180 damage in Arcade Edition.

Makoto

She showed her explosive power in AE, so we’ve reconsidered some points by looking at the overall balance of the game.

• Reduced health from 1,000 to 950, back to SSF4 value.

• Fukiage (Upwards Punch) damage for LP, MP, HP reduced by 10, it does 90 damage now. EX went from 140 to 120

• EX Karakusa (Grab and Choke) has less range, it's now the same as the Light Version which is 0.93. The range on this was 0.98 in Arcade Edition.

• Standing Hard Kick has a lower extended hitbox.

• Target Combo 1's Standing Medium Kick can be cancelled, like the normal version.

• Tanden Renki (Super Combo) is 3 seconds longer.

• Neutral Jumping Medium Punch has a forward extended hitbox and hurtbox.

• Hayate (Dash Punch) have improved properties on charge.

• Hayate changes: Light Punch Lv3, Lv4 and Medium Punch Lv4 have further forward movement, all Lv4 strengths are -2 on guard

• All Lv5 Hayate strengths break armor, further forward movement, from 170 to 190 damage.

• Can tell when you reach Lv5 charge timing by Makoto's voice.

M. Bison

• Scissor Kick stun changed to 100/50 (150 total) on all strengths. Previously the Light and Medium Scissor Kicks did 100 stun.

• First hit causes 1 frame of extra hitstun, so if you Focus Attack Dash Cancel the first hit you can have +5 advantage at best.

Oni

• Stamina increased from 950 to 1,000.

• EX Dragon Punch leads to an untechable knockdown if the first hit connects.

• EX Hurricane Kick is more likely to give you the full hits (though it sounds like you still might get some hit whiffs).

• Demon Slash has lower extended hitbox, easier to hit low stance or crouching characters.

• Raging Demon's damage increased from 350 to 370, regardless if it's ground or air.

• With Ultra 1, when you aim it upwards, it's 9 frames on startup, this previously started up in 10 frames. From 0 frame to the second active frame (inclusive), is completely invincible (so from 0 frames to 10 frames).

Rose

The main focus has been readjusting some changes that players were unhappy with from the previous games.

• Soul Spark meter gain raised by 10, it's 30 now.

• Soul Satellite's (Ultra 2) startup frames reduced from 7 to 5.

• Soul Piede (Toward + Hard Kick) has had its properties changed to almost what they were in Vanilla SF4. Recovery has been shortened by 4 frames, the hit box has been moved more to the front, and the hittable area has been reduced.

• Close Standing Medium Kick is +4 on hit, making it easier to combo into Crouching Light Punch, as well as making it possible to combo into Crouching Medium Punch. This move was +3 on hit in AE.

• A glitch was fixed with Crouching Medium Kick where only Rose would receive counter hit damage when trading hits with an opponent.

Rufus

The character’s overall balance will remain the same, and we are just making certain moves that people have been unhappy with in the past, easier to use this time around.

• If you use Ultra 2 as an anti-air, you get a bit more damage than before, landing 10 hits and about 236 damage.

• The follow up Light Kick (Flip) attack after doing an Medium Messiah Kick will combo now. It didn't combo before in Arcade Edition.

Ryu

The biggest change is to his Metsu Shoryuken (Ultra 2), we made it much easier to use.

First, we improved its function as an anti air. The vertical hitbox is larger and it is easy to the the lock (full ultra) hit.

Also, if you manage to get a good read on your opponent and land a counter hit EX Fireball, you can combo into Ultra 2. You will only get the full ultra if the EX Fireball counter hit the opponent. For example, if you threw out a Crouching Medium Kick and it was focused you could then do EX Fireball ? FADC ? Dash ? U2. You could get 500+ damage with this, giving you a chance to make a comeback in one shot. If you are very close to your opponent, you could combo Ultra 2 off an EX Fireball without a focus cancel.

Other things

The effective frames for the "brake" on a rising Air Hurricane Kick has been reduced by 3 frames (from the front of the "brake" frames). When you use it on these frames, the trajectory of your Hurricane Kick will change (larger window for a "normal" air Hurricane Kick).

Solar Plexus Strike is now 40+60, giving you 100 points of damage.

You can combo into Crouching Hard Kick no matter what your opponent's character is from a Close Standing Hard Kick.

Sagat

As the character already boasts a number of strong tools at his disposal, he will remain unchanged for the most part.

• Angry Scar Tiger Uppercut damage increased: LP, MP and EX add +10 damage.

Sakura

• Fixed the hitbox on the EX Hurricane Kick. cr.LK cr.LP cr.HP xx EX Hurricane will always work now.

• EX Fireball damage increased. Level 1 release now does 120, Level 2 release does 130.

Seth

Without changing the current character base, we have modified a few specific points.

• Tanden Stream damage reduced to 340. This was 380 in AE.

• cr.HP -> Tanden Stream: Upon the combo hit, the Tanden Stream will now do full damage. We have also made it so that Seth is invincible after the first hit of the Ultra, so that the animation is not interrupted midway through.

• Jumping HP (both angled and neutral) now has four more active frames. Overall frame data in terms of startup and recovery were not changed.

• Neutral Jump Medium Kick: After hit detection has ended, the leg area (lower body) is invincible to projectiles.

• Sometimes when hitting someone with Seth's jumping Hard Kick, recoil would prevent Seth from comboing into Crouching Light or Medium Punch. This has been fixed.

T. Hawk

Taking into account the rest of the cast, various changes have been made.

• During Crouching Hard Kick, T. Hawk's head is invincible, so he can duck under things such as Sagat's High Tiger shots. Also, the blockstun for this attack has been increased by 2 frames to stop people from jumping away from the 2nd hit.

• The body press command normal (down + HP) can now be used during a neutral jump.

• Thrust Peak (Down-Torward + LP) has less frame disadvantage on hit, now it's -2 on hit.

• Medium Tomahawk Buster is now airborne at the beginning, which means the move is throw invincible.

• Condor Spire's input shortcut was improved, but the blog didn't say how.

Vega

We thought that Claw players would only want a few more improvements, so we changed a couple of small things.

• Crouching Hard Kick damage increased to 110, same as SSF4.

• +1 more frame of hitstun on the opponent after a Cosmic Heel, making it -3 at worst.

• Sky High Claw causes a knockdown when it hits a grounded opponent.

• Ultra 1 hitbox when he hits with the knee on the way up, the hitbox has been greatly expanded to prevent people from falling out.

• Ultra 2 startup changed to 8 frames. It had 9 frames of startup in Arcade Edition.

Yang

We have revised his risk/return and made him into a more technical character that must be used with skill.

• Target Combo 2 damage reduced to 130 and the second attack is -7 on block.

• Standing Light Kick's startup increased by two frames for a total of five. However, it keeps the original startup time during Yang's Super.

• Crouching Light Kick's damage reduced from 30 to 20. Upward hurtbox extended.

• Crouching Medium Punch's damage reduced from 80 to 70, and now inflicts 60 damage during his Super.

• Far Standing Medium Punch had its hitbox moved backwards, meaning less range on the attack.

• Jumping Medium Kick's hitbox was altered so it is not as easy to cross up with as before.

• All versions of the dive kick have a larger hurtbox. 2 frames of extra landing recovery were added to all dive kicks and the stun for each was reduced from 100 to 50.

• Light Roll Kick is only invulnerable to projectiles up until frame 5, Medium version has no projectile invulnerability.

• Hitbox on all Roll Kicks were reduced horizontally and have an extra four frames of recovery on block.

• EX Zenpou Tenshin (Flip Grab) has less reach, starts up in 8 frames, and is no longer invincible to throws. In AE this move started up in 7 frames.

• Final hit of Mantis Slashes for all versions does 60 damage. EX Mantis Slashes are now a true blockstring if guarded, meaning there are no frame gaps between any of the slashes.

• Medium and Hard Palm Strike meter gain on whiff reduced from 20 to 10 and all regular versions of the Palm, including the feint, have two extra frames of recovery.

• Hard Palm Strike's damage has been reduced from 150 to 140, chip reduced to 30, stun from 250 to 200; Also, the Medium and Hard Palms now have four fewer active frames.

• Sei'ei Enbu (Super) lasts a second shorter and certain moves do less chip while it is activated.

• Ultra 1 max damage reduced from 480 to 450.

• Ultra 2 startup is 3 frames slower and the damage has been reduced from 440 to 410. The last hit of the non-cinematic Ultra 2 now does 90 damage

• Stun changed to 950, down from 1,000.

Yun

We eliminated things that made him a scrubby character, and made it so that players with strong technical skills will be able to shine when using him.

• Target Combo 2 now does 120 damage, down from 150.

• Target Combo 3 now does 120 damage, down from 150.

• Target Combo 4 now does 130 damage, down from 160/170. The second hit of the move is now -6 on block, when it used to be -3.

• Target Combo 5 now does 70 damage, down from 90.

• Crouching Light Kick has an upward extended hurtbox.

• Crouching Medium Punch damage reduced to 50, was previously 60.

• There is now a higher height restriction on all dive kicks.

• All dive kicks get an additional +2 frame landing stun. Also on hit and block, opponent gets an extra +2 frame stun. Now Yun players must be wary of how to attack and the use of the different versions of the move.

• Yun's Senpukyaku (Overhead) now does 80 damage instead of 85 during his Super.

• All versions of Zenpou Tenshin (Flip Grab) were slowed down to 11 frame startup each. EX Zenpou Tenshin now has a startup of 8 frames, and has lost its throw invincibility.

• EX Lunge Punch active frames for each hit were altered from 7/2 active to 6/3 active. Also the move is now -1 when blocked from close range.

• Palm Strike meter gain reduced to +20 meter on whiff.

• Palm Feint is now 25 frames overall, whereas the regular Palm Strike is now in motion for 45 frames.

• Palm Strike damage reduced from 160 to 140, stun reduced from 250 to 200, chip damage reduced to 30, active frames reduced from 15 to 10.

• Light Upkicks now only has invulnerability covering up until the first active frame of the move.

• More landing recovery on all versions of Up Kicks (including EX).

• MK Upkick damage nerfed from 130 to 110.

• Hard Punch Shoulder's damage was reduced from 140 to 100, and the EX version had its damage reduced from 80+70(150) to 90+40(130). During the projectile invincible parts of the move, Yun's hurtbox against physical strikes has been increased.

• Gen'ei Jin has had its active time shortened by one second.

Zangief

• Light Punch Spinning Pile Driver does 150 stun. Up from 100 in Arcade Edition.

• EX Green Hand (Banishing Flat) damage 90+50 for a total of 140. Stun 100+50 for a total of 150. Damage in Arcade Edition was 130 and stun was 100.

• Adjusted the hitbox on Crouching Light Punch to fix a problem where the move would whiff on certain crouching characters after a jump attack and you tried to combo with it.

• Hurtbox for Crouching Hard Kick reduced in height, making it easier to pass under certain attacks.

Change notes translated by Nyoro, Capcom-Unity and USD.

Comments

JJOR64 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:04 p.m.

Here we go. :)

ChunkyGerbil said on August 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.

GET HYPE

Gorehound said on August 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.

The moment everyone has been waiting for...

The Yun Nerfs!

Nightblade777 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.

Here we go! Come on Guy buffs!

Glenburg said on August 24, 2011 at 9:07 p.m.

Lol, I'm hyped to see these changes as much as an Evo match.

Justice said on August 24, 2011 at 9:07 p.m.

YO LETS GO.

Bushinryuken said on August 24, 2011 at 9:08 p.m.

【ターゲットコンボ2】のダメージが120、
【ターゲットコンボ3】のダメージが120、
【ターゲットコンボ4】のダメージが130、
【ターゲットコンボ5】のダメージが70に調整されました。

(For Yun, target Combo 2's damage is 120, #3's damage is 120, #4's damage is 130, ...for #5 it's 70 but I'm not sure what the rest of the sentence mean).

Rio707 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:08 p.m.

lets see what happens guys!?

crosell said on August 24, 2011 at 9:08 p.m.

@ 5 i know right this sh
8t is getting hype

Garcian_Ulmeyda said on August 24, 2011 at 9:09 p.m.

@Nightblade777
Hells yeah, time for Guy's ascension into ninja god tier!

#10

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:09 p.m.

Let's see how hard they swung that nerf bat.

#11

Rafael2487 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:09 p.m.

Omg this is it, Twins in the death row...

#12

Faralag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:10 p.m.

sickest troll ever would be to give yun only buffs!

#13

Virtua_Kazama said on August 24, 2011 at 9:10 p.m.

I wonder what the Nerf King have done so far...

#14

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:11 p.m.

Hakan auto oil? get hype

#15

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:11 p.m.

Can't wait..Lets goooo ><

#16

Garcian_Ulmeyda said on August 24, 2011 at 9:12 p.m.

Google Translate is funny

■ Guy
Guy has been strengthened coordination skills while maintaining a style of fighting.

The vertical jump punch strength - expanding the rectangle attack, punch while jumping diagonally] [ and ] strong kick - jump diagonally square and attack
I eat a larger rectangle.
The main square down each attack will make it easier and make adjustments.
Reach a flying mare] [] throwing throwing throwing grasp of the ordinary -
is now wider than ever .
Reach is the same width as the Dragon, making it easier to throw than before.
I drop the elbow [] commands,
let out, even in settings under Rear-angled lever straight down, not only was.
This is much easier to give the first impulse technique.
Izuna Drop] - god of military arts of weak intensity in the EX,
reduced the stiffness when landing that never attacked.
You usually throw it aims to land in front of the opponent's
technique remains effective in cracking down invincible opponent's counterattack.
The EX version ] [foot storm god of military arts and adjusted easily by each behavior per difficult situation.
From previous discussions with you to the person flying in air,
has decreased to a lower position against skull.
- Headhunting - about the adjustments made to closely mirror the state's supposed to skip the party.
Finally, since retreated faster rate than ever before,
making it easier to adjust the interval with a partner.

#17

Augusta said on August 24, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.

CODY CONFIRMED FOR D-TIER.
NO BUFFS.

#18

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.

Very curious about Yun lol. Although all the chars I play apart from Dud/Makoto + few randoms have already been mentioned so.

#19

zufir said on August 24, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.

OMG GO CODY !

#20

Heroscaper said on August 24, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.

Can't wait for infos on Adon, Makoto, Yun and Yang !!

This is it, let's GO !!!!

#21

Legacy said on August 24, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.

Evil Ryu and Oni buffed while Akuma loses his vortex.
RIP Akuma.

#22

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:16 p.m.

Why aren't the translators translating things like ''Dudley: We aim to up his potential overall'' Things like that are cool to know too, so we can see what the devs are actually thinking when balancing.

#23

zufir said on August 24, 2011 at 9:16 p.m.

CAN'T WAIT FOR CODY, YUN, YANG, ONI, E.RYU !! T..T

#24

mcknight8279109 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:16 p.m.

Dee Jay = GOD Tier

#25

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.

Confirmed Hakan starts oiled up every round.

#26

Faralag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.

what I can understand yun is getting nerfd pretty bad

#27

GamePirate420 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.

HERE WE GO! This is why the Cross Counter Live was delayed 40minutes.

#28

gigantor21 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:18 p.m.

@#13 - I would LMAO so hard if they did that. XD

#29

BADerRules said on August 24, 2011 at 9:18 p.m.

can't wait for Yun & Yang nerfs

#30

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:19 p.m.

so far they are saying Yang is receiving dmg nerfs not 100% sure.

#31

twe12lve said on August 24, 2011 at 9:20 p.m.

Lets go Hakan!@#!@#!@#!@# new revesal move? 2 frame command grab? I cant wait till this gets translated~~~

#32

zufir said on August 24, 2011 at 9:21 p.m.

NERFED YUN CONFIRMED.

#33

Glenburg said on August 24, 2011 at 9:21 p.m.

So, it looks like you gotta work a little harder with Yun if you want to be successful with him.

#34

Faralag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.

So now some yun expert please tell me yun is playable but lika A or B tier insted of S tier. I know nothing about that character

#35

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.

Lol @ All the Yun nerfs,. Mostly DMG, although some stuff -40 DMG thats bad.

Divekick got worse?
Ex Lunge is now -1 on block, so no more spamming it
Less DMG
Super does less DMG.

Yeyeye

#36

MrPavy said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

HAHA FU(K YOU YUN PLAYERS NO MORE EASY WINS

#37

AerialScrew said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

GOODBYE YUN, FAREWELL

#38

Tabris said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

@13 That would have been hillarious.

#39

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

I think its not horrible. He'll still be low A I'd say? (Note: I know shi- about Yun lol)

Thisll show who really love Yun and who are just tier whoring though

#40

SneakMaster said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

Hmm. Nice Deejay buffs. The change to his super is cool. Good Yun changes.

#41

Von_Kunlun_BOOF said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

Here's what I gotta say to those Yun nerfs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9wRJh...

#42

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.

More character variety confirmed.

#43

Bushinryuken said on August 24, 2011 at 9:24 p.m.

So far the only good guy buff is the throw range. C'moooon I hope the rest are better @__@.

#44

Glenburg said on August 24, 2011 at 9:24 p.m.

Daigo's gonna main Dark Ryu now to express his anger with the Yun nerfs :p

#45

ChunLi said on August 24, 2011 at 9:24 p.m.

Hakan:
"The biggest change is
Is that the oil is ready to battle from the start.
Hakan This begins at the start of the battle from the state oil every round."

He STARTS oiled up?

Very interesting...

#46

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:25 p.m.

Dee Jay & Dan on top of the tier list.

#47

ehmmjayy said on August 24, 2011 at 9:25 p.m.

Dee Jay is gonna be amazing.

#48

holmes15688 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:25 p.m.

Yay rape yun and yang time so scrubs can stop crying!!!
Im sorry but yun and yang werent as bad as ppl made them out to be. Not denying they need nerfs but their getting demolished with the nerf bat right now to death that they can f#ck em up like honda. Hope not im not a yun or yang player but i do think their cool but the constant whining when you beat scrubs is annoying so i stopped playing the game period. Anyway back to the topic...their not that bad ppl relax

#49

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:25 p.m.

-Hopes the mix-up characters wont be hit as hard as Akuma-

#50

Nago said on August 24, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.

LOTS of good buffs so far, but I'm expecting Makato to get raped by the nerf bat. Also inb4 Juri gets nothing and remains useless.

#51

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.

Oh yea HAKAN STARTS WITH OIL STATUS EVERY ROUND. Apparently. Thats crazy

#52

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.

LOL at YUN d i ck riders!

diago pls come back to ryu, was so much fun to watch

#53

lynx_ID said on August 24, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.

damn I hope guy not a top tier, have received more buffs than other low cast :|

#54

Arcand said on August 24, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.

Yun nerfs sound good!
Good work Capcom

#55

Legacy said on August 24, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.

lmao @ all those nerfs on Yun
we gonna need another page HAHAHA

#56

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.

Makoto can't be nerfed. She's good, but not too good. She's just perfect.

#57

GamePirate420 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.

Um...46 and Capcom...
His intro has him throw oil on him then it goes away!?

I never understood that.

now the question is how long is that duration in the beginning?

#58

BADerRules said on August 24, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.

please english name for yun moveset

#59

FreeMarn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.

this is the perfect time for daigo to switch to ken that would be amazing

#60

twe12lve said on August 24, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.

Stay Oily My Friends

#61

Augusta said on August 24, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.

CODY IS BACK.

A TIER FOR SURE
CODY IS TOP TIER

#62

MasterCheeze said on August 24, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.

Wow, DeeJay got a very nice buff for that Ultra 1. Now I don't have to worry about EX MGU into dash Ultra 2 anymore. I can go the easy route and still be dandy.

#63

logic_boi said on August 24, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.

Wow. Yun got nerfed harder than I expected. Sad thing is (or not) he'll still be top 10.

#64

zufir said on August 24, 2011 at 9:30 p.m.

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░▄▀▒▄▄▄▒░█▀▀▀▀▄▄█░░░██▄▄█░░░█ Y
█░▒█▒▄░▀▄▄▄▀░░░░░░░░█░░░▒▒▒▒▒█ U
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░█░▀▄░█▄░█▀▄▄░▀░▀▀░▄▄▀░░░░█░░█ BRO
░░█░░░▀▄▀█▄▄░█▀▀▀▄▄▄▄▀▀█▀██░█?
░░█░░░░██░░▀█▄▄▄█▄▄█▄████░█!
░░░█░░░░▀▀▄░█░░░█░█▀██████░█?
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░░░░░░▀▄▄░▒▒▒▒░░░░░░░░░░▒░░░█ ?
░░░░░░░░░▀▀▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀▀!

#65

logic_boi said on August 24, 2011 at 9:30 p.m.

Also love the Hakan oil start.

#66

ChunLi said on August 24, 2011 at 9:30 p.m.

Evil Ryu Health/Stun Buff

"850 → 900 became the first strength, endurance value is now 850 → 900 Stan."

#67

Armourx said on August 24, 2011 at 9:30 p.m.

LOL Yun got worked over, as an Abel player......I have nothing to say lol

#68

fredex919 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.

Yes Yes Yes Yes!!! For the Love of all things good!!! Cody walk speed increased!!!!!! Yesssss Fap Fap Fap Fap

#69

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.

Pfff, and Cody was strong already. Easy combos, big damage.

#70

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.

#61 I see what you did there lol.

#71

ezmonies said on August 24, 2011 at 9:32 p.m.

Nishoukyaku (up kicks): LK only has invincibility up (and including) the first active frame

does that mean all the other versions of his up-kicks (MK,HK) no longer have invincibility? if that's what it means its guna be pretty bad since lk whiffs on crouching oppononents can someone confirm please

#72

TehTy said on August 24, 2011 at 9:32 p.m.

OLOLOLOLOLO
Yun.
Every other character got a buff or two, but Dee Jay is going to be interesting now.

#73

lolasaurus said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

■ Yoon
You lose your convenience,

Best Google translate ever.

#74

ezmonies said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

Cody's walk speed both forwards and backwards has been increased.

OMG THATS WAT I WAS WAITING FOR

#75

Nago said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

I wonder how many people will drop the game because they have to deal with more good characters and don't have anything broken to crawl to :3

#76

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

Dee Jay for S tier.

Yun overall damage reduction and -1 on block.. can't argue with that.

Guy has some nice buffs.

People play Cody..?

Waiting on Makoto.....

#77

Shotosaurus said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

Juri's Feng Shui engine has been redesigned for the best. I wonder if this makes Ultra 1 more viable now?

#78

Faralag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.

Cody gets buffs! He get´s combos he could already do!

#79

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:34 p.m.

@77 Supposedly makoto got some nerfs who knows which ones though

#80

ezmonies said on August 24, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.

cody going to B TIER :D

#81

Glenburg said on August 24, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.

Yun's success is very similar to John Cena.
People were getting tired of him.

#82

FreeMarn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.

i think they knocked makotos health down to 950

#83

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 9:36 p.m.

Ryu can combo super intro ultra after a shoryuken cancelled into super or anti air jab shoryuken (anything that brings the opponent high enoug)

#84

MHunter said on August 24, 2011 at 9:37 p.m.

+2 extra frames of hit, block stun on Raigekishu

Is that a buff or nerf?

Wider hitbox on dive kick and more hitstun like Yang's?

#85

zufir said on August 24, 2011 at 9:37 p.m.

TURN THE EFFING BEAT BACK !!!!!!!!!!!

#86

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:37 p.m.

@80

wtf? So I was right... She's going back down to mid-bottom again.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.. :/

Can't believe people were crying about her when shes trash at long distance.

#87

Arcand said on August 24, 2011 at 9:38 p.m.

Allow Cody's U2 to KO at the moment he hits your back with the pipe. Do this!

#88

McBison said on August 24, 2011 at 9:39 p.m.

Had to grab some popcorn for this post...

#89

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.

LOL @ Yang

No one is going to play him now.

Not like anyone did.

#90

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.

@70

You're a retard, go play your ken.

#91

Nago said on August 24, 2011 at 9:41 p.m.

So if almost everyone is getting buffed and the twins are getting nerfed... should they be about even now or are they dead?

#92

KizaruOfLight said on August 24, 2011 at 9:41 p.m.

Buff Oni!

#93

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.

@ 91

I'm a retard? I play Balrog & Dan you idiot.

#94

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.

@92

Bandwagon will shift to Dee Jay.

That african is getting nothing but buffs on buffs on buffs.

#95

KizaruOfLight said on August 24, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.

Or rather, tweak Oni. Every other shoto can fadc their shoryuken on block, why not Oni too?

#96

ezmonies said on August 24, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.

yang actually didnt get nerfed that badly well not as much as yun anyway

#97

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.

Oh man, Cody's looking freshh. His combos are as mentioned the easiest in the whole game imo though + he has some easy frametraps, but you still has to work obviously, no real reversal etc

#98

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 9:43 p.m.

im still f u ck in g angry about akuma nerfs, but this r a p i n g of the twins is making me so happy :)

#99

BestAlgorithm said on August 24, 2011 at 9:43 p.m.

@95 Dee Jay is Jamaican.

#100

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

@99

Oni = New Akuma

Akuma = Vanilla Gouken

Gouken = SSFIV Akuma

#101

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

Yang got hit pretty decent too though. No more Projectile invincibility & he already had crap DMG lol, now he has even less DMG

#102

c_wong428 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

These aren't too radical, I think Yang got nerfed worse than Yun ?_?

#103

lynx_ID said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

@Lyn

Dee jay african? wth?

#104

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

@91

Lol balrog easy mode, dan just a joke to make you not look like a scrub.

I can play Fei but as long as I play Dan it's okay!

#105

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

@100

He's gonna be invading your onlines soon. ;)

#106

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:44 p.m.

wow poor Yang

#107

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.

@101 you possible could be right, im still going to moan and b i t c h about getting the 2 added frames on akumas throw reversed :P

#108

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.

@ 105

But I don't play Fei or Ken. Like I said, I play Balrog & Dan.
Cody is easy mode. Easy combos and big damage.

#109

BestAlgorithm said on August 24, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.

@106 That's fine. I play Elena in 3S. :D

#110

Danpser said on August 24, 2011 at 9:49 p.m.

idc, ill still play yang cuz hes fun. anyways, happy for the cody buffs :D

#111

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:49 p.m.

Well Makoto didn't get to bad

#112

Faralag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:49 p.m.

sad thing here is that yun and akuma got like the same mangnitude of nerf

#113

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:50 p.m.

Makoto nerfs... The sheer disappointment from it all made me cum.

"• Hayate have improved properties on charge"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WDF DOES IT ALL MEAN!?

Health nerf.. whatever.. but why do you extend her hurtbox on a random move such as j.mp?

Back to mid-bottom. :D

#114

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 9:50 p.m.

Tbh I stopped playing Makoto since she's a bit to easy mode for me TBH so I'd prefer her to be imbetween her Super self, and her AE self <:

#115

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 9:51 p.m.

@98

Cody's basic combos may be easy but his harder combos are on par with everyone else.

S. MP -> C. FP 1 frame link
S. MP -> Sweep 1 frame link
F. MP -> S. MP 1 frame link
B. MP -> C. MP 1 frame link

And some combos like F.Mp -> S.Mp -> Sweep have 2 one frame links so don't act like you play Cody and his combos are 'easy'. It's only online where scrubs just do jab, jab, jab, short, CU for everything and fierce -> cu for stuns etc.

#116

logic_boi said on August 24, 2011 at 9:52 p.m.

Looks like Cody got mega buffed. Depending on how much faster his walk speed is, he'll be top 10.

#117

strider_hiryu973 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:53 p.m.

wtf with makoto welcome back lowtier makoto very big sh.t these changes

#118

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:53 p.m.

@115

Play her now. Karakusa lost range(wtf) and Hayate is getting better?

Can't wait to see all the combos she just lost because people cried about Kara-rape.

#119

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 9:53 p.m.

Hitting refresh for oni and e.ryu like a mad man

#120

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 9:55 p.m.

Bullsh*t Makoto nerfs. Makoto was perfect in AE.

#121

Zero said on August 24, 2011 at 9:55 p.m.

: ( On guys changes. Increased throw range is the only thing relevent unless the increased hitbox on n, J HP allows for it to be used as a safe jump in place of mk. I really wish they had made LP Bushin Flip faster or make the elbow on his Bushin Flips an overheard again AND make it so run slide hit characters in juggle state.

#122

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 9:56 p.m.

Ibuki mains can rest easy.

but F*ck! Makoto WDF does it all mean!?

Karakusa nerf!?

#123

Swag said on August 24, 2011 at 9:57 p.m.

EVIL RYU's HEALTH 850->900
ONI's HEALTH 950->1000
THANK YOU CAPCOM

#124

strider_hiryu973 said on August 24, 2011 at 9:58 p.m.

NOBODY USE LEVEL SH.IT HAYATE all programmers use drugs after WIN

#125

BalrogWill said on August 24, 2011 at 9:58 p.m.

Makoto nerf are so unnecessary. She's actually going to be awful again.. Maaaan this sucks.

#126

Glenburg said on August 24, 2011 at 9:58 p.m.

Ibuki has leveled up!

#127

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 9:59 p.m.

whoa! juri is the most annoying char to play against online, and them buffs aint gonna help :(

#128

powderedtoastman said on August 24, 2011 at 9:59 p.m.

@deejay changes
Out of all people in which their supers can go into ultra, the damage is decent for emptying both meters and not being a projectile. And beside ExMgp in U2 uses less resources for near comparable damage. Guile(U1)/gen super to ultra do more damage last i checked. Good option to have regardless if you can stock meter without having the spend ex for reversal upkicks.

@yun changes
minor recovery on his moves, damage reduction, meter building nerf. He is still gonna be good just his randomness will have to be toned down by the players if they still wish to succeed with yun.

@yang
still also gonna be good as he still have his options, still will be an effective character. But geez that a big list, basically touched everything. clearly they did something wrong the first time for the twins to have to TOUCH just about every aspect of their character... hopefully they fixed his wakeup glitch.

@guy changes
Hope he will be able to utilize them improved air normals with his floaty jump still in play. the ex spin kick change is nice. Recovery on his empty bushin flip looks good for closing distance than relying on his jump.

#129

Zero said on August 24, 2011 at 10 p.m.

I actually agree that Makoto should have been left alone. She was perfect in AE. Still her nerfs are negligable

#130

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10 p.m.

Holy Sh*t

Pinwheel into U2. Juri mains, you can blow your loads now.

Juri for A tier.

#131

Nago said on August 24, 2011 at 10:01 p.m.

Oh boy, buffs to CHARGED Hayates... which absolutely no one gets hit by.

#132

Gutter_Trash said on August 24, 2011 at 10:02 p.m.

They don't need to nerf Yang he's so overrated.

#133

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10:02 p.m.

@130

How are they "negligable"?

Karakusa loses range and charged Hayate gets stronger.

WTF DOES IT ALL MEAN!?

#134

korali said on August 24, 2011 at 10:02 p.m.

The only character I enjoyed playing and knew everything about got buffed to hell and now will be bandwagoned by the masses ;_; time to play another game or learn new oh god what happened tier yun.

#135

Zero said on August 24, 2011 at 10:03 p.m.

Only EX Karakusa scrub.

#136

mcknight8279109 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:03 p.m.

why would they light makoto up like that she needed that EX command grab range then they took it back from her for no reason WTF?

#137

KizaruOfLight said on August 24, 2011 at 10:04 p.m.

Let's go Hakan buffs!

#138

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10:04 p.m.

@137

WTF DOES IT ALL MEAN!?

Makoto is gonna get raped so hard by zoning and charge characters..

#139

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 10:05 p.m.

Just pick Guile and turtle. What's Juri gonna do?

#140

ShadowoftheDarkgod said on August 24, 2011 at 10:05 p.m.

LOL NERFS EVERYWHERE to the Twins

#141

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10:06 p.m.

@Zero

she needs Ex Karakusa for her combos cotton eater.

#142

Starcharger28 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:06 p.m.

THANK YOU GOD FOR THE JURI BUFFS!!! YES! I've been hoping for these buffs since last year! and watching the easy mode characters get nerfed, all the better. That's wassup...

#143

WinstonChurchill said on August 24, 2011 at 10:07 p.m.

SERIOUS cringe @ #95 comment :Z

#144

CDiggity said on August 24, 2011 at 10:08 p.m.

you guys do realize that this is the build going into the loc tests.....and that they are potentially subject to change afterwards....overall this list is a mixed bag, i agree with some of the changes so far, but others are extremely questionable. My prediction is that if build were to be released tommorrow, we would see a chun fest ala 3rd strike.

#145

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10:09 p.m.

@144

Rather 100 Dee Jays than 100 Yuns.

I take that back..

#146

strider_hiryu973 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:09 p.m.

@130
she losse health and power ...
HAYATE charge buff? XD nobodyuse charging hayate all people use hayate cancel
LOSE RANGE OF EX KARAKUSA.. LOL super/ae RANGE STILL BAD 2012 is very bad

#147

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 10:09 p.m.

Oni still no FADC on Blocked shoryuken?
WTF Capcom??

#148

illness690 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:10 p.m.

YESSSS MY MAIN JURI FINALLY GETS THE BUFFS SHE DESERVES <33333333333333333333333333333333333333

#149

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 10:10 p.m.

@147

"Negligible" Meaning he knows absolutely nothing of the character.

#150

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:14 p.m.

Wow, they gave Dudley the ability to frame trap without burning meter back AND they made it so that his level 1 FA isn't really that punishable on block? Seems like Capcom actually wants him to be decent this time around.

#151

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.

Oh, scratch that. I thought Level 1 FA with Dudley was -3 before. Changing -4 to -3 is not the same as changing -3 to -2 .

#152

fireinthehole said on August 24, 2011 at 10:18 p.m.

So when will the testings start???

The article clearly says: "The third and final blog post detailing many of the changes being implemented into the arcade location tests for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition has been posted now."

Which means that none of these changes are final. These are basically the temporary adjustments that will be open for the Japanese players to test out. If the testings are OK, then the changes will be; but if some of the nerfs or buffs are too out of line, then these changes will not be final.

#153

Utsusemi said on August 24, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.

Let's go Dudley!

#154

C_DUB said on August 24, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.

How do you nerf Makoto's EX command grab range? What's lower than the zero range it had to begin with?

#155

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:21 p.m.

C_Dub, Makoto actually Karakuses herself now because it has negative range.

#156

DarknessFallz said on August 24, 2011 at 10:21 p.m.

So once the third blog entry had been fully translated does that mean that these are the official changes and there won't be anymore tweaks other than this? I shudder to think Rose is only getting a couple buffs while Cody gets like 3x more than her :-(

#157

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:22 p.m.

These are the changes they are implementing for loc testing

#158

WinstonChurchill said on August 24, 2011 at 10:22 p.m.

#157 refer to post #153

#159

GamePirate420 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:23 p.m.

This game is a mess to have so many changes!
..that is all...

#160

Zero said on August 24, 2011 at 10:24 p.m.

You scrubs just want to throw out random EX Karakusas and get Ultras. STFU and learn how to set up your god damn regular Karakusas.

#161

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:25 p.m.

So lets see how many of those changes stick hopefully most of them.

#162

superray21 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:25 p.m.

Love these Juri buffs
She is supposed to be an offensively oriented character and this will help her cause.

#163

SAMURAI said on August 24, 2011 at 10:26 p.m.

@ 157

And it frustrates me that Balrog didn't get his Headbutt recovery from Super back. They buffed his worthless ultra 2 that no one uses.

#164

eclipsekirby said on August 24, 2011 at 10:26 p.m.

I didn't plan on dropping him, but Yang still looks alright. Juri's looking pretty cool with these changes. I thought they should do something with her U1 to do more to match Yun and Yang's supers.

#165

WinstonChurchill said on August 24, 2011 at 10:27 p.m.

#160

I wouldnt say the games a mess, its more people crying for stuff they had in super. I wouldnt of minded if the left it the same.

#166

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.

That's all the changes for Dudley. God dammit...

#167

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.

LOL at the change for Evil Ryu being closer to Akuma.

#168

DarknessFallz said on August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.

Tx 159 :)

Hopefully bigger nerfs for S tier and more buffs to C/D class will still be rolling out as testing goes on ^_^

#169

My25CentsUp said on August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.

I'm betting that Yun gets dropped by all the tier whores.

#170

MR_47 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.

Capcom is definitely a pure failure when it comes to balancing the cast. Makoto nerf again? She's already having a hard time to win in AE but now they are reverting her back to SSF4 "worst" form. Does they even know what they're doing? Jeez Capcom. *facepalm

#171

ChunLi said on August 24, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.

What the HELL did they do to Makoto?!

#172

Swag said on August 24, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.

what does CH stands for in Evil RYu's translation?

#173

WinstonChurchill said on August 24, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.

No probs :) #169

#174

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.

CH stands for counter-hit

#175

boobee_cakes said on August 24, 2011 at 10:36 p.m.

While I'm happy for Dee Jay buffs, I hope people don't start riding his Jamaican jerky now.

Chrismas has come early for us Dee Jay players. All 3 of us.

#176

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.

WOOOW, that Hakan buff is awesome and is something he should have had since Super.

#177

krazhy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:38 p.m.

HAKAN IS EPIC WOOOOOOO!

#178

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 10:39 p.m.

Closer to akuma wtf does that mean? is he G A Y with akuma now?

#179

Nightblade777 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:39 p.m.

Pretty disappointed with the Guy buffs overall.

#180

krazhy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.

@179
they can air fireball each other up the ass.

#181

Imenak said on August 24, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.

I saw the Hakan buffs, and cried tears of oily joy.

#182

Snipeclips said on August 24, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.

wtf they should kept oni and e.ryu's stamina under 900. how can oni be average health? he has a crap ton of moves like an air demon, air dashes from anywhere, and a slash that is pretty unpredictable to block due to it crossing up. this is utter bull. he should have the same health as akuma knowing that he has the most damaging ultra in the game. -_-

#183

KizaruOfLight said on August 24, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.

Oil from the start of the match? Makes sense actually since he pours it on himself in his intro scene. Good Hakan buffs :)

#184

ehmmjayy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.

Hakan & Dee Jay for S Tier! xD

#185

Swag said on August 24, 2011 at 10:42 p.m.

#179
E.Ryu's crouching HK got buffed. Same startup frame as Akuma's.

#186

Paine said on August 24, 2011 at 10:44 p.m.

Wow. Why did they nerf the twins that hard? Why did they nerf Makoto at all? I understand damage nerfs so that Yun and Yang had to mix up a few more times to secure the win, but deleting them from the game isn't the way to do it. You can make a character balanced without destroying them Capcom. Why did they even change Makoto at all? She was the icon of how to buff a character but not make them OP.

I have a strange feeling that top tier is going to consist of Sagat, Ken, Cody, and Deejay.

#187

krazhy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:45 p.m.

They nerfed makoto up more than they should have. idiots.

#188

krazhy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:46 p.m.

@187
DONT FORGET HAKAN

#189

guy22 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:48 p.m.

Yun
• Higher high restriction for Raigekishu (dive kick), for LK, MK, and HK (all versions)

this alone kills the character, poor Yun =) (why am I laughing..?)

#190

Kaizy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:48 p.m.

42012 GOTYAY.

#191

hitmanr92 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:49 p.m.

CODY's Buffs are Bullsh-t

First of all, he didn't need anything to do with bad spray. Bad spray is risky and easy to block move, and now with these useless buffs, opponents will be bit more precocious, thats it. Cody's U1 has BS range, so your opponent needs to be very close in order to go for bad spray-fadc-ultra 1. Not useful at all.

What Cody needed was
1. EX criminal upper's Invincible frame to overlap hitting frame, so that it can be used on wakeup.

2. Longer hitstun on Ultra 2 sand throwing part.

3. Light criminal upper safe on block at far range and at worst -3 upclose.

None of these requirements have been addressed. Fu*k you Ono and Fu*k you capcom.

CODY definitely gonna be low tier.

#192

ESTAKA said on August 24, 2011 at 10:49 p.m.

OMG DeeJay why are you so GodLike!!!

#193

Genuserx said on August 24, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.

Yun nerfs? Ohh god... unfffffff *cums on krazhy's face*

#194

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.

DeeJay needs more buffs in terms of his normals hitting harder and doing more stun. I don't see why people think he got amazing with what's on this page.

#195

Theunder said on August 24, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.

So anybody noticed the awesome buff for Evil Ryu? instead of ending his BnB with Shoryuken you can end in with axe kick and get an untechable knockdown... now if he had more mix-up options... would overhead non-EX axe kick make him OP?

#196

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.

His BnB involves an FADC or can you do an axe kick from a short tatsu?

#197

Sirius said on August 24, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.

#163 Nope, she's clearly a zoning character

#198

shin_ono said on August 24, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.

enjoying all them buffs, not sure about akuma and makotos nerfs. very UNNECESSARY CAPCOM! twins nerfs i approve :)

#199

sprflyspdrguy said on August 24, 2011 at 10:55 p.m.

Cody got the walk speed he needed, yeah. Awesome. We'll see just how much.

#200

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 10:56 p.m.

Most Makoto players aren't taking it too hard Yang players do deserve to rage though.

#201

xShonuffx said on August 24, 2011 at 10:59 p.m.

After looking at the nerfs and buffs I think they are fair they did'nt go overboard. Yun and Yang took the biggest hits but he's still gonna play the same, it's just that you can't be completly random. 50/50 game is increased so you can mix him up better and punish him for throwing dumb sh*t out.

The nerfs for Makoto don't hurt me. She still has her Upward punch range which is what she really needed. The health drop did seem weird but those 50 point drops make little difference to me. If your health is reduced to 50 points. You were probably don't something wrong anyways so might as well kill you.

Yay Hakan.

Don't use DJ, very annoying in the right hands. Glad for his buffs.

Thats about it. Just have to wait for Loc test opinions from the crowds.

#202

marlez said on August 24, 2011 at 11:02 p.m.

@ #196

I play E.ruy myself and yes, overhead properties on non-ex axekicks would indeed be OP :)

#203

Theunder said on August 24, 2011 at 11:04 p.m.

@197 Seems like it's from FADC, not from lk tatsu, my bad.

@203 meh... they should try it for 1 test location and see the reaction... and as a E> Ruy player, what do you think is his biggest buff?

#204

sprflyspdrguy said on August 24, 2011 at 11:05 p.m.

Deejay, what's up? lol See you, Bison. Still speculatiing is one thing. Till the time comes to test this stuff out, 3SOE is that s***!

#205

fireinthehole said on August 24, 2011 at 11:07 p.m.

@187

This isn't the final version of AE-2012 yet. These are only the initial changes that they will implement for the location test runs which will all happen in Japan.

You are lucky that the location test for the AE-2012 are all held in Japan. The reason for that is because most American players HATE the twins, Yun in particular.

Most American players are thoroughly biased and ushc. They don't speak their honest opinions at all. They just say what they need to in order to manipulate the producers to make their favorite characters be top-tier and make the characters they don't like as bottom-tier.

#206

BluePepsi said on August 24, 2011 at 11:07 p.m.

@hitmanr92

Cry more. Thats what happens when you use a bad character.

#207

Swag said on August 24, 2011 at 11:08 p.m.

was kinda hoping e.ryu's buffs in teleport and cross-up tatsu or normal tatsu->cr.HK just like akuma

#208

Rlaur said on August 24, 2011 at 11:08 p.m.

I main Makoto and while the nerfs themselves aren't too terrible, they are completely unnecessary. She was absolutely perfect. Give her back any two of the three nerfs and I'll be happy.

#209

ACEwiTHeCLUTCH said on August 24, 2011 at 11:10 p.m.

All Akuma players please spam Onos twitter (HTTP://twitter.com/#!/Yoshi_OnoChin) and get those 2 frames removed from his forward throw

#210

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 11:10 p.m.

206 japanese players will do the same stuff for there mains where is your proof of all this instead of spouting bs.

#211

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 11:11 p.m.

"Makoto nerfs don't seem that bad"

"Health points drop 50"

Who are you people?

Chip damage from projectiles adds up. 1000 health was good enough to stay at a reasonable range before you get in.

Damage nerf on Fukiage was unnecessary.

Range nerf on EX kara was unneeded.

There was nothing wrong with Makoto considering she isn't "EZ mode" character like the other half of the roster.

I dare anyone to charge up Hayate to level5.

Every zone and charge character says sup to these pathetic changes.

#212

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 11:11 p.m.

@192

You're retarded. From right spacing jab cu is already pretty damn safe. What he needed was the walk speed increase and we got that. It improves footsies which would help a lot since he has so many great normal. Yeah the ultra 2 buff would be nice but we still got some good stuff so stop crying.

#213

Swag said on August 24, 2011 at 11:11 p.m.

E.Ryu
"You can now cancel the Hop Kick into a Hurricane Kick. This includes EX."
What does that mean?

#214

daft_f4lls said on August 24, 2011 at 11:12 p.m.

@195 I agree, he needs better normals with better range. I can't get into Rose's, Bison's, Abel's, others normals. I like playing range and footsie games but I can't on many decent characters.
@202 I am that kind of annoying Jay D playa.

#215

oldboy said on August 24, 2011 at 11:16 p.m.

I hope with the hitbox change Adon's lk rising jaguar will stop whiffing on crouching opponents and his hk rising jaguar can used without having to worry is my opponent standing a pixel away from me.

#216

Lyn said on August 24, 2011 at 11:17 p.m.

Dee Jay new S tier.

"It's A SHOWTIME!"

Guess Ono wants to go out with a bang(/trollface) before Street Fighter x Tekken goes public.

#217

xRELLIKx said on August 24, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.

This is just GREAT -.-

Yang is no absolutely useless. All those nerfs -50 stun on a dive thats easier to hit, that can only be activated at a certain height, no projectile invincibility on hiss and not even a 50 stamina buff.
BUTCHERED!

Then it's, "Hey let's buff the crap out of Dudley" who already has tons of damage potential with a nice mixup game.
And they decide to buff Guy, largely his walk back speed.

And now Cody is gonna just beat the crap out of everyone, especially if its badspray>FADC on wakeup (can he on block?). He needed the walk speed but further knockback on ZONK to get into zoning game, or send out a further reaching MK ruffian? An overhead with knife in hand, when he is now safe to block on pickup and MP hits twice as if you can't slash yourself through armor already?!?!

#218

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.

Lol @ nerfs to Yang.

Lol @ CC Nerfing Yang more than Yun. I dont like either of the twins (I do kinda like Yang) but 95% of the people were complaining about Yang not Yun lol.

CC could have at least used Lube when screwing Yang

#219

MetallicA said on August 24, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.

Daigo's new main is Evil Ryu?

#220

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.

Oh and yea Cody will be picked a lot now, very nice buffs

#221

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 11:20 p.m.

#219, Dudley didn't get many significant Buffs, Also Dudley was never that good to begin with lol, he's still the same alright-ish char.

EvilRyu is boss now too. Hmmmmmm

#222

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 11:20 p.m.

#219, you should actually play the game or the other characters before you spout nonsense. Dudley got 2 buffs and one of them is incredibly situational. Counter-hit combo was something he had in Super that was taken away in AE. Backswing blow getting better is something that it should have to being with, but it's still slow and unsafe on block. U1 buff only helps in like 3 or 4 matchups. Dudley has awful mixups in this game because this game is not based on guessing high-low. Learn to play a little before you belly ache.

#223

Danpser said on August 24, 2011 at 11:28 p.m.

was hoping for e ryu's cr. hp or cr. hk to have a 5 frame start up.

#224

Phthalocyanine said on August 24, 2011 at 11:29 p.m.

Cody and Makoto didn't need any buffs.

Anyway, most of these buffs are unnecessary. It's like Capcom's buffing every character so people don't whine.

#225

powderedtoastman said on August 24, 2011 at 11:30 p.m.

@hakan changes
Consist of buffing Air normals that arent used really, and buffing a special move so its not utterly terrible on recovery on whiff... to just plain terrible. hakan still doesnt have a force stand move so he can set up some traps for the oil dive.
And C.HP.... guess it decent normal focus breaker that moves forwards a bit unlike s.HP.

#226

SsjBizzle said on August 24, 2011 at 11:31 p.m.

#227 IMO Hakan got some nice changes though compared to like Akuma FFF- or even Dudley maybe. Did you see hes oiled at the start of the match? That sounds usefull for howlong it lasts.

I dont play him though lol

#227

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.

I thought the biggest problem for Hakan players was getting the chance to oil?

#228

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 11:35 p.m.

@ 219

you are a retard and know nothing about Cody.
First of all his wake up game will still be ass because he needs 2 bars to do a safe reversal and that is only on techable knockdown! On untechable knockdown such as sweeps and throws he is still the same.

The zonk is probably to help him get characters off him so he can regroup and the ruffian is to make punishes a bit easier which is nothing really major.

It doesn't say he has an overhead with the knife so wtf are you on about? It seems like you are complaining about every single buff he gets with knife mp not being much of a deal but it seems like it is to you.

The only major buffs Cody got was the overhead buff because even on hit it used to be - frames and now you can combo off it and also the walk speed which you don't even comment about so just please know what you're talking about before you spout crap.

I don't see why you are complaining that a low/mid tier character is getting buffed anyway.

#229

powderedtoastman said on August 24, 2011 at 11:37 p.m.

@#228
Ive been playing with hakan since they released him. yea i seen oil at the start but didnt say how long. So i cant make a sound judgement. Should be good regardless, so i dont have to sacrifice the beginning round momentum trying to oil up first. But alot of the changes are towards things that are generally underused/bad. Hakan jumping in general is a bad look as is, being low and slow and he doesnt have access to a reliable cross up either like every other capcom grappler.

#230

GW said on August 24, 2011 at 11:38 p.m.

@226

Wow you're comparing Cody (a lower mid tier character) to Makoto (Top tier) and saying Cody didn't need any buffs? That is just wow...

#231

boobee_cakes said on August 24, 2011 at 11:40 p.m.

Damn, I wanted the twins nerfed, not neutered. They are fun to fight, just needed to be balanced out is all.

#232

Stitchking said on August 24, 2011 at 11:41 p.m.

@Lyn

He's Jamaican and you need to be quiet.

#233

hitmanr92 said on August 24, 2011 at 11:42 p.m.

@ 213

You look retarded yourself. Light CU is -5 on block. its fodder for any 3 frame attacks such as jabs, SRK or even a 5 frame attack like Tiger uppercut. It wouldn't matter to a scrub like you, but on high level play it does.
Walking speed improvements are good, but its not like he is gonna out-walk even ryu. so stfu. They should have at least made Prisoner's slide (cr MK) safe on Hit, but even that issue hasn't been addressed.

#234

Darkyellow said on August 24, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.

Actually hitman, you can space jab Criminal Upper such that it is basically unpunishable even if it's -5. It's like Rog dash punches.

#235

valken said on August 24, 2011 at 11:47 p.m.

The only top tier characters not nerfed is C.Viper
Viper god tier??? I think...

#236

powderedtoastman said on August 24, 2011 at 11:48 p.m.

@#229
The sacrifice for oil beginning of the round was detrimental. As zoners can get into their place on the screen or rush down characters are already ontop of you. And having no good reversals, that oil up you did tends to go to waste cause it wears off before you can utilize anything.

Damn if you do, damned if you dont basically. Hakan is set up for a lose/lose situation at the beginning of each round, starting up oiled is a great help but isnt enough. Also his 360+P command grab and ex one can be normal grabbed out of, and it being 3 frames doesnt help. hawk and gief both have 2 frame ones which can help it beat out jabs and grabs. And all these problems apply to when hes oiled, dont even want to start with the unoiled mess.

#237

okay said on August 24, 2011 at 11:49 p.m.

Makoto and Yang got hit with the nerf bat much harder than necessary.

#238

Sasuga said on August 24, 2011 at 11:51 p.m.

ROFL, yun is the new Dan XD

@7: 調整されました means has been adjusted to.:)

#239

Sasuga said on August 24, 2011 at 11:51 p.m.

I wonder who Daigo will pick up next.

#240

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 11:52 p.m.

@GW you should have stopped reading after his #1 sounds like someone likes to mash dp on wake-up.

#241

Grimmjow316 said on August 24, 2011 at 11:53 p.m.

@239 Makoto didn't get hit that bad Yang on the other hand...

#242

Novacane said on August 25, 2011 at 12:03 a.m.

Hakan Auto oil makes sense....it shouldve been there in the beginning because, well he does shower himself in a bucket of oil before the fight.

Damn i wonder how fast is cody's walk speed now!?
Ive always wanted this as a cody player. Imagine if cody had a walk speed like akuma, he would be top tier for sure. I can only dream.

For Yang
•Standing Light Kick's startup increased to 5 frames, but has the original startup time during Sei'ei Enbu (Yang's Super). This move had a 3 frame startup in AE.
-Does this mean he cant combo (close)st.MP to st.LK anymore?

• EX Zenpou Tenshin has less reach, loses throw invincibility from the 8F onward
• Byakko Soshoda (palm): MP, HP meter gain on whiff from 20 to 10, two extra frames to LP, MP, HP
-Does this mean he cant do the fake palm setup/mixup anymore?
• diagonal j.MK hitbox changed, landing cross-ups is not as easier as before
Seems like they are trying to make yang like his 3rd strike version. Possibly even weaker lol.

I also choose Dudley(mixup potential beast) and Juri alot but im not gunna get into that.

#243

TPyro said on August 25, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.

@Yang - I understand most nerfs, but i don't see why :
- palm meter gain nerf (easy to punish / free chip damage)
- mk rolling invincibility nerf
- horizontal hit box on all rolling kicks is wierd too, alreay had lots of annoying wiffs
- slower U2? (AE: c.lp > yang U2).

He is still worth it, although no one plays him. Might not bother and switch back to Sakura...

#244

calvinfoo said on August 25, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.

Hopefully Deejay will be great, and I wish to see more charge characters appear in the top 8 of Evo 2012, but always dominated by motion character

#245

jhayze said on August 25, 2011 at 12:07 a.m.

i want this update patch out right now!
i want this update patch out right now!
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i want this update patch out right now!

#246

TheIncursion said on August 25, 2011 at 12:11 a.m.

@244
St.Mp could combo into cr. MK, which was 6 or 7 frame start-up, so st.mp to st.lk should still combo.

#247

Tensa said on August 25, 2011 at 12:13 a.m.

hope all these nerfs doesnt turn it to downback fighter 4 again super bored me fast so much zoning lol

#248

Shinkutatsumaki said on August 25, 2011 at 12:14 a.m.

Have Dudley's ultra 1 stop time and then it could be useful. I don't understand why higher tier characters can easily slip through sonIc booms while Dudley's ultra 1, ( which is supposed to be specifically used against projectile characters) fails so hard.

#249

Augusta said on August 25, 2011 at 12:19 a.m.

@249 AE 2012 can go either way. Consider it first hit = huge advantage

With Super, everyone sucked, in that DMG was even across the board. With 2012, it's balanced but everyone can lay the smackdown. There will be a lot less timeouts considering all of these buffs across the board.

#250

thegodvicious said on August 25, 2011 at 12:19 a.m.

CODY BUFF!!!!

#251

GW said on August 25, 2011 at 12:23 a.m.

@235

Lol scrub if spaced correctly all of sagats uppercuts whiff, So do yuns, yangs akumas, ryu's etc etc. Go try it yourself. This is from a blocked jumping roundhouse jab jab, short jab cu. It is unpunishable from yang unless in range of light uppercut. You say it's different for high level play? check out Sasaki's video vs Mago Yang and vsing Tokido's Akuma. Pretty sure that is as 'high level play' as it gets so stfu you scrub and get your facts straight.

Also prisoner slide is safe if done correctly and well spaced ON HIT. Ryu's uppercut whiffs, I tested it myself so go test it if you like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiKkyc... = Yang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sd8Ro... = Akuma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sd8Ro... = More Akuma

#252

Kijui said on August 25, 2011 at 12:24 a.m.

Is it me or everyone is getting the Dan treatment. They should have made it to where if you use Dan's super taunt before his ultra, you geta damage bonus, or for ultra 1, it can connect from FADC koryuken, that would be too much, lol!

#253

Suleman said on August 25, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.

10 points in dmg boost and super to ultra aint gonna put DJ to A class...but maybe just equal with Cody, Gouken etc...top will be something like: Sagat, Ken, Viper, Zangief....

#254

hursh said on August 25, 2011 at 12:28 a.m.

i play deejay and i find it funny how a lot of people are saying how he is gonna be so good now, probably only b/c of the super into ultra. its cool but not practical at all, he needs his meter. not complaining though, happy with the damage buff and less time for a counter hit

#255

MajinTenshinhan said on August 25, 2011 at 12:29 a.m.

Thank god I stuck with Cody. THANK GOD I STUCK WITH CODY. THE RECKONING IS HERE.

#256

Suleman said on August 25, 2011 at 12:33 a.m.

I play Sagat and T.Hawk...and with those Hawk "buffs" hes not going to climb up the ranks, thou the easier input in spire is nice. And wouldve been nice to see some adjustment on Sagats play, little tweaks here and there...maybe give hes cancellable 2nd hit lk back :P

#257

Kijui said on August 25, 2011 at 12:38 a.m.

@258

I main Dan (lol), but my secondary is T. Hawk. I agree with the easier spire control input, but he doesn't need any real big changes, except a beast range light pucnh command grab like Zzangief, which I do not think they fixed.

#258

Amoni said on August 25, 2011 at 12:41 a.m.

Im ok with Yun nerf. They hit him the hardest among all characters, but why Yang nerf? J.MK harder for cross up, and basically everything is nerf. Mantis slash is weaker, Roll kick without projectile Invi are crap, Ultra 2 is 3 frame slower (hell, i only choose it because it is 4 frame start up, way easier than ultra 1 8 frame startup, now what is the point when it deal crap damage and has 7 frame start up

his s.lk nerf also dumb. Now the like of cody can chip yang with crim upper all days without worrying about getting countered because of -5 on block.

Yang maximum B tier, Yun still A tier

#259

guy22 said on August 25, 2011 at 12:44 a.m.

I think Yang got raped by being Yun's brother. most nerfs aren't necessary

#260

aznalucardboi said on August 25, 2011 at 12:47 a.m.

Capcom puts in too much work........exactly why they're the best company on the planet! I know if i was in charge, i wouldn't go this deep in detail for each character.......

#261

gtfopanda said on August 25, 2011 at 12:48 a.m.

@ #192

You ashame every Cody on the planet. Go change character, you don't deserve those buffs.

Hell yeah, walkspeed and more knife stuff, plus a comboable overhead with HUGE range, can even FADC the bad spray! Woha!

#262

Oroku_Saki said on August 25, 2011 at 12:50 a.m.

Joy to the world the nerfs have come. Yun and Yang got raped. Capcom be sex offending everywhere.

No problems here, my main is random as always.

#263

hitmanr92 said on August 25, 2011 at 12:58 a.m.

@ 253
Well retard, everyone knows that you can do such attacks to be safe on block by spacing them correctly. We're talking about buffs. All versions of CU are unsafe, with light cu being harder to punish but many characters have fast reaching attacks that can punish you e.g. Ryu's super will get you no matter how good your spacing is.
I've seen almost all of sasaki's vids, and even a good player such as him can't space cu with pinpoint accuracy to be safe on everything, even he gets punished for CUs and slides. Therefore it does matter on high level play, and not in scrub level play of yours where you can get away everytime with blocked zonk.

#264

juanrock said on August 25, 2011 at 1:04 a.m.

the juri buffs and yun and yang nerfs brings a smile to my face, i just hope they didnt went overboard with them, i want them to be good, just not godlike.

and why the hell is makoto getting nerfed, she was very solid on AE but she was not op

#265

SakuraOwns said on August 25, 2011 at 1:11 a.m.

Dumb devs Makoto and YUn can cancel super into ultra.

#266

theonlydalauansparrow said on August 25, 2011 at 1:12 a.m.

Damn... I guess I can't troll online with the twins anymore...those nerfs were pretty harsh. But at least cody rose and dan got buffed I guess ill be trolling with dee jay now. Rip Yun and Yang its been fun.

#267

SakuraOwns said on August 25, 2011 at 1:12 a.m.

And Gen

#268

Phthalocyanine said on August 25, 2011 at 1:20 a.m.

#267 #269

No of those characters cancel super into ultra, they just combo them. Like many other characters.

#269

ShadowXSnake said on August 25, 2011 at 1:26 a.m.

@SakuraOwns I believe they mean interrupting the Super with Ultra the way Dan does. Gen can land Ultra AFTER Super, and Makoto/Yun can simply use ultra while Super is still activated. Dan can Super Taunt, then at any point during the "attack" he can decide to pull out an Ultra.

#270

GW said on August 25, 2011 at 1:26 a.m.

@265

Then that makes them safe. If they are safe on block the move is safe. Because according to your theory, if moves that are only safe when spaced correctly do not count as being actually safe then yuns lunge is unsafe on most characters since from point blank it's not safe. Tell me what Ryu's super can't punish? it can punish sweeps, yuns 'safe moves' it can basically counter nearly all specials so does that make all those special not safe?

You pick out one super fast startup move and say it beats cu but what else does? 3 frame uppercuts whiff and you clearly said that they hit. 'Its fodder for any 3 frame attacks such as jabs, SRK or even a 5 frame attack like Tiger uppercut' You mention high level play but you also mention that uppercuts hit? I don't think in high level play they mash jab cu at pointblank so you just contradict yourself.

You say even Sasaki can screw up the spacing right? Well even Daigo can miss some combos, does that mean they are not safe? As long as the move cannot be punished by specials and normals etc then it is safe. If it can be punished by supers then it is only safe until you can get super but before then it is perfectly safe.

Go keep crying scrub while us real Cody players will actually be thanking Capcom for all the buffs. You probably won't be happy until Cody got a divekick, spd and shoryuken so keep living in your fantasy world buddy.

#271

Grimmjow316 said on August 25, 2011 at 1:32 a.m.

Why the he'll would that move need inv just because you suck doesn't mean that move should be like a DP. Plus Cody is a footsie, frame trap character anyway and these buffs are aimed at that. So step your game up.

#272

lezlezlez said on August 25, 2011 at 1:56 a.m.

Frankly speaking,

Yun's has been on the top tier not because he has high output damage or dive kicks.

He was top tier because, he has the tools for most of the situations.. Somehow, from what i'm judging from the changelog, his tools are still there, just reduced in damage and frames.

#273

streetman88 said on August 25, 2011 at 2:02 a.m.

LOL at Yun and Yang nerfs i have it pictured in my head after Hagar(the nerf king)got done beating the ever loving CRAP outa the twins every character in the game(especally Chun li cause shes my main and i dislike yuns with a passion)stud above them with knuckels craked and evil smirks on there faces ready to jump them while the twins are so scared there basicly about to piss there pants ROLOL. I know thats kinda messed up but after looking at those nerfs i just can not get that image out of my head could u imagne what that would be like after being on top tier

#274

Kalm said on August 25, 2011 at 2:03 a.m.

Too many comments here already for anything posted to really be noticed, but what the heck.

Yang's adjustments are quite substantial...wonder what this will do to his game. His damage was really pedestrian before; like he was almost made to hit you a whole bunch of times before he could actually down you. All the additional recovery and reduction of invinciblity will affect him adversely. He still seems like he'll be ok...but he seems like he'll hit like a girl and be at risk more often. Oh well. Still seems like he'll be quite fun in training mode, which is actually the only place I play him.

Glad to see Ibuki remains largely untouched. Wonder if they actually made Tsuijigoe more than worthless now. They had to realise that it's used probably once every 50 matches, and only then to avoid a FB while looking cool.

#275

Bestsketch14 said on August 25, 2011 at 2:06 a.m.

CODY FOR MAYOR.

#276

Schwoi said on August 25, 2011 at 2:14 a.m.

As a Makoto user I feared a lot more nerfes than listed, so I'm kinda relieved actually.
and that targetcombo cancellability is even very good news to me, cause I always wanted to do that

#277

Grimmjow316 said on August 25, 2011 at 2:27 a.m.

Yang got rundown by the nerfmobile.

#278

Yun said on August 25, 2011 at 2:35 a.m.

Capcom...

Why ??
This is bullsh**t. I switched main to Yang since AE (I used to play Ryu and he became so horrible to play : footsies, cr mk etc...) but WHY did you nerf Yang so bad ?

People were complaining on Yun, and I think Yang got nerf worst than his brother !

WTH ? J-mk crossup altered ? lol.
mp hitbox smaller... hell yeah, thx.

He wasn't that easy to play against zangief, this is gonna be worse with 2012 !

You guys cry too much before trying to find solutions for the issues. The twins were not as cheated as Sagat in vanilla.

Right, they were good but they didn't need so bad nerfs...

#279

Squid_Biskets said on August 25, 2011 at 2:42 a.m.

#280 troll

#280

STErcan said on August 25, 2011 at 2:47 a.m.

It was better for hakan, if they buffed lk oil time. Hakan oiled is S tier, unoiled F > Now u start oiled > opponent turtles for 10 seconds then starts rushing down > no chance for oil against > Yang, fei long < hardest opponents

#281

Amoni said on August 25, 2011 at 2:49 a.m.

I still can hold my tears for Yang. Poor boy, it is Yun who cause problem, yet because they look too much alike (sarcasm)so CAPCOM nerfed the wrong one.

#282

Amoni said on August 25, 2011 at 2:50 a.m.

*cant, typo mistake

#283

gtfopanda said on August 25, 2011 at 2:50 a.m.

# @281

You had like what, 1 matchup which was slightly hard? 2 with Yun?

Even Akuma couldn't handle the twins, that should sum the whole thing up (and he got nerfed too).

#284

calvinfoo said on August 25, 2011 at 2:58 a.m.

#241
What I see is, lesser dominant player, everyone will have better chance the win the tournament.

Notice that Ryu never get nerf much. Because Ryu = Street Fighter, Street Figther = Ryu. Without Ryu, it isn't Street Fighter

Now, the whole market 20% are Daigo-wanna-be. Whatever he picks, every kiasu players just follow whatever he will be using.

Some players just like character hooping and picking the dominant players character.

#285

GW said on August 25, 2011 at 3 a.m.

In super ryu got nerfed a lot, I don't know what you are on about.

#286

HarryCodder said on August 25, 2011 at 3:04 a.m.

Thoses Makoto and Ibuki changes are so f*cking bullsh*t.
Makoto didn't deserve any nerf, she was just right and has some REALLY bad matchups (like any turtling Guile).
With all the others characters being buffed, she's just gonna be as low tier as she was in SSF4. Good job Capcom, really.
And that Ibuki "buff". WTF is that. Nobody use tsujigoe it's completely useless. It's like the slowest thing, there is no way you can punish a wiffed throw from that. And if the opponent didn't throw he has like an eternity to stuff you with whatever he wants...
Let's just rename the game CASUAL FIGHTERS IV already.

#287

QUANCRO said on August 25, 2011 at 3:08 a.m.

wow...yun...get .....kik out...but will see ..how daigo can manage that...or will go with some on different

#288

Blisteringcold said on August 25, 2011 at 3:13 a.m.

is this the final build? or possible to get new builds deployed following weeks before release?

#289

Amoni said on August 25, 2011 at 3:27 a.m.

@QUANDRO: Daigo said if Yun is not good anymore, he will drop it. Because he is a sponsored player. he must win tournament

#290

xShonuffx said on August 25, 2011 at 3:28 a.m.

@288 Step your game up.

Besides, these changes are not set in stone, they are doing location test to see how the changes work. Things might change so you don't know yet.

#291

rashed786 said on August 25, 2011 at 3:31 a.m.

lol, Yun and Yang! to tell you the truth, I never really had any major problems in any matchup agains the twins (I main Ryu). They should buff all the low tier characters so that they become top tier for one edition. This will mean that all the tier hoppers will start using the old crap characters and will spread the character selection around a bit. I'm still waiting for the day that Daigo mains Hakan, with all the buffs he is slowly receiving in each iteration, it looks more and more likely.

#292

PzychoNimz said on August 25, 2011 at 3:33 a.m.

Is it just me or does it seem like Yang got hit worse than Yun? And Hakan oiled up from the start? Oh shi---

#293

xoverlord1022x said on August 25, 2011 at 3:36 a.m.

i didnt want them to nerf yuns playstyle over all they could have just made his moves more unsafe and some damage nerfs but prolly just ruined the characer i hope hes still good and i hope people play him still. another thing yang needed nerfed but even less than yun but jesus the nerfs will definitly completely change his playstyle as well no invinibility on some of his rolls is understandable but some are just ridiculus and i know alot of people agree. i never jumped on the twin band wagon but now it seems the twins were kicked off thier own bandwagon and ran over by it O.o

#294

dblax said on August 25, 2011 at 3:50 a.m.

DAIGO won't play anymore...

#295

Lyn said on August 25, 2011 at 4:07 a.m.

@Stitchking

Yes Hate me! Hate me more scrub!

#296

fresco4eva said on August 25, 2011 at 4:15 a.m.

i guess they didnt fix or r not going to fix the fact that guys overhead doesnt hit twice on a crouching honda...

#297

J said on August 25, 2011 at 4:15 a.m.

Holy crap, is Capcom trying to take the tier list and flip it completely upside down?

WAY too many nerfs for the stronger characters. Only a few were needed considering the buffs of the other characters.
Instead they treat them as if they were ST Akuma.

#298

Nukka said on August 25, 2011 at 4:15 a.m.

Holy damn, Cody got buffed! Hope I don't feel like a cheat using him now.. He wasn't even bad in AE.

I think Ryu should get more buffs though, I mean most of his buffs were for U2 which is kinda pointless imo. It's unfair that ken gets to keep his WHILE he also has a step kick.

#299

Nukka said on August 25, 2011 at 4:18 a.m.

These arn't the final changes I don't think though, so all Ryu players, spam ono's twitter for them to get ryu's cr.mk back! :)

#300

Rettaka said on August 25, 2011 at 4:22 a.m.

Oh god, it starts again!
Capcom can't do things right...
Super was a great, balanced game and I didn't even complain about AE (btw, I main Vega), but I'm getting tired of the
constant changes/rebalances! Back and forth...back and forth...nerf Ryu, Rose, Rufus etc....buff Ryu, Rose, Rufus etc! WTF?!
So if Daigo would use Ryu again...then Capcom is going to nerf Ryu again?!

They don't really know their own game...the Akuma nerfs, e.g, show that they don't really understand the character - the game!

#301

nebbiez said on August 25, 2011 at 4:37 a.m.

I think this officially confirms Zangief will be top of the tiers now. I like how they've nerfed the powerful rushdown characters and majorly buffed the grapplers. Although I really didn't think Gief needed to get any better, he's nearly unstoppable against some of the cast anyway!

#302

STErcan said on August 25, 2011 at 4:40 a.m.

#303

At high level > sf4 & AE had broken matchups. sf4 < gief vs abel. sf4ae < hakan vs yun,seth,fei,yang,etc. I hope they fix it this time. Hakan is buffed good, but still he needs 5 frames faster lk oil, to be high tier.

#303

Kira_Timmy said on August 25, 2011 at 4:40 a.m.

U1 DeeJay finally. Atleast you can combo it now in a flashy way. :D

#304

hitmanr92 said on August 25, 2011 at 4:54 a.m.

@ 272
As they say, there is no point lecturing a pig.
The topic here is buffing up cody. what he's got is basically nothing that'll make him shift into s or a+ tier. Improved walk speed, a couple of combos here and there and a bleak ultra connection are good, but really don't add much when you see everyone else is also getting buffed.
Example of ryu's super was given just to elaborate a point, not to argue what it can and cant punish. shoryuken can punish cu even if its not at point blank range. Prolly u don't know this cause u didn't play with anyone but scrubs. Sasaki so many times has to waste 2 meters to make light cu safe, which, if the move is buffed will leave cody at advantage. and When I said safe on block, I meant they'd make cu -3 instead of -5, so its even harder to punish. At any rate, Cody is a low tier char, and such small improvements can def help him out a bit. I don't require divekick, spd and shoryuken...just one of the betterments I compiled earlier. And Even if he were to get those buffs, I'm sure a scrub like you can't win sh-t.

#305

powderedtoastman said on August 25, 2011 at 5 a.m.

@#304
Majorly buff the grapplers?
zangief got some minor things, small boost in stun which he doesnt even utilize and some hitbox tweaks.

Thawk didnt really get much, god forbid the man can have a way to go under high tiger shots like everyone else. Normal buff thats still disadvantage on HIT, and other things that doesnt change much for his good or bad match ups.

And hakan got a slew of buffs on normals and specials he doesnt even use really cause they where bad to begin with. Starting up oil shouldnt of been in day one, his freaking entrance has him oiling up.

Nothing majorly buff besides starting with oil for hakan. Only way gief is gonna be top of the tier if they gave him vanilla lariat and knockdown on exGH back. And we know that aint gonna happen so gief aint gonna be winning anything major tournament wise.

#306

GomuJonny said on August 25, 2011 at 5:08 a.m.

Damn, Adon's entire combo game is still nothing but Rising Jaguar.

#307

Kirkwhy said on August 25, 2011 at 5:18 a.m.

even with those nerfs Yun will still be the best character.

#308

Stitchking said on August 25, 2011 at 5:27 a.m.

@Lyn

Weren't you griping about the idea of putting Elena in SFXT? You got something against black folk or what?

#309

Kennn said on August 25, 2011 at 5:33 a.m.

the height restriction on yun's dive kick is only a slight nerf, as he now has 2 extra frames of advantage if it hits or is blocked. they might have nerfed his damage output a little too much though

Makoto had that easy cheap grab into ultra, they only want to make you work harder for that. other wise what is really that bad about makoto? those nerfs are absolutely nothing to be crying about. the biggest nerf is her health but meh, can live with that.

Deejay & juri are looking a bit too good, i already have problems against good ones. but let's wait and see.

Guy & dudley (Guy especially) needed more buffs imo. im very happy with cody

#310

TableThrowingGuy said on August 25, 2011 at 5:33 a.m.

(ﾉ゜□゜)ﾉ ~┻━┻ yay cody buffs!
Cody for s-tier!

#311

drew02k said on August 25, 2011 at 5:41 a.m.

I would agree that Yang was as OP as Yun was. I would say Yang was no different for the most part as other high tier characters. He needed a slight nerf. Yun def needed a nerf.

I'm happy to see that Makoto didn't get hit too bad. I can live with these changes, but don't agree with them. The lower health, lower Fukiage dmg, and less range on ex grab? Ehh, only two of them needed, I think the Fukiage one is silly. It's not like that move can be abused or spammed. And less health? Less health to Makoto but more for Evil Ryu and Oni?

Well if this is all the nerfs for her than I'm glad

#312

PsychoCrusher said on August 25, 2011 at 5:41 a.m.

why is yang getting nerfed way harder than yun?
yang wasnt even so overpowered in the first place...

#313

maxs2d2ace said on August 25, 2011 at 5:42 a.m.

YES!!! YES!!!
My Boy Yun (who i wanted from the very beginning of sf4 ) finally got Nerf.
now i cant whoop people online with pride and without them saying 'your just a tier whore"

Oh BTW why the mokoto nerf? she's my main and its tough to win a fight online as it is.

#314

EVOBiohazard said on August 25, 2011 at 5:44 a.m.

Wow. Yun is useless now. Daigo should change to some other character, because there is no winning EVO 2012 with this crap. Glad that they buffed both Evil Ryu and Dudley because they're my mains :D

#315

Super_Shoto_Fighter_4 said on August 25, 2011 at 5:48 a.m.

The main nerf I agree with on Makoto is the 950 health. The others, I'm not sure yet. Juri is still going to have the same wake up problems so I don't think she'll be a solid A tier. I'm really pleased with the Hakan changes the most. I want that character to be taken seriously as I think he gives some characters a huge problem.

#316

kupowns said on August 25, 2011 at 5:53 a.m.

The thing is, most people who are happy about Yun's nerfs will still keep getting bodied by him.
The thing is, now people will whine because Yun, Yang and Fei Long got nerfed.

@maxs2d2ace You'll still receive hate mail, believe me :b

Hakan is a good character (c tier parhaps), he already was but now he's better.
Oni and Evil Ryu are also better characters and I'm sure more people will start using them.

#317

L45R said on August 25, 2011 at 5:56 a.m.

I like these changes!!!...looks like it's unclear who's going to be top tier in this game now... I would say they'll be Sagat, Viper, Fei Long, Akuma being top tier but the rest will be mid tier

#318

Kratos94 said on August 25, 2011 at 6 a.m.

Now Hakan´s intro make sense ^^

#319

capcomdointhingsright said on August 25, 2011 at 6:01 a.m.

Why do people keep askin who Daigo's gunna main now?!

WHO GIVES A FUK!??!??!!??!?!?!

OMG!!! I just realised what happened! All the Daigo D!ckriders joined forces with the tierwhoring f@ggots to create the ultimate Yun sausage fest in AE!!!

Glad that sh!ts over. RIP AE.

Don't come back.

#320

ChunLi said on August 25, 2011 at 6:09 a.m.

Makoto:
-From 1000 to 950 health (back to SSF4 value).

Okay, WHY? She has problems getting in against more than half the cast, and she's one of the biggest risk/reward characters in the game, so WHY take away health?

-EX Karakusa (Grab and Choke) has less range.

Oh, so they literally want us to have no wake-up options at all now, great. Also, they obviously want us to be standing DIRECTLY next to the opponent for it to work now, right?

-Hayate (Dash Punch) have improved properties on charge.
-Can tell when you reach Lv5 charge timing by Makoto's voice.

HAYATE IS POINTLESS IF YOU RANDOMLY CHARGE IT AND EXPECT A HIT OUT OF IT.

Is ANYONE going to go: "OMFG, Makoto is charging a dash punch! What should I do? Should I jump? I should jump, right? Or should I block? Wait, I should just jump, that sounds better. Wait, I shoul-"

NO, noone is that stupid at high level play to just LET a Hayate charge. It takes too long, and you recover too slow after you do it. Thank god for the cancel, but there is NO point in a fully charged Hayate AND they nerfed the damage.

Make a character that literally has to work her ass off (in her BEST iteration, at that) have to work even harder with more risk, wow.

#321

TPyro said on August 25, 2011 at 6:10 a.m.

@322 we lovez trolls :)

#322

capcomdointhingsright said on August 25, 2011 at 6:12 a.m.

@324
Love you too baby! :D

#323

maxs2d2ace said on August 25, 2011 at 6:13 a.m.

@322

to be honest i hope Daigo keeps that Sh1t to himself. we don't need a another character getting the special treatment because the world's best (or was the best) player maining that character.

i mean look at last year when daigo said its was over for shotos players.
then there were less shotos online.

#324

ChunLi said on August 25, 2011 at 6:15 a.m.

Also, AND Fukiage nerf?

Make the most difficult uppercut in ANY game that takes time and patience to actually land as an anti-air (or through a Lv.2 crumple, which is ALSO hard to land) worse.

F*ck off, Dev team.

#325

FADCTAUNT said on August 25, 2011 at 6:15 a.m.

@250 nobody 'easily' slips through Guile's sonic booms because he recovers pretty much the second he throws them...

#326

ShotoSchool said on August 25, 2011 at 6:21 a.m.

im sick and tired hearing losers saying "he just spams" or "he picks the stronger character". SO WHAT? It there a rule no to throw fireballs as many as i want??? Or is there a rule not to choose a specific character??? F@ck all you cry babys. You are the main reason fighting communities are losing people. hope the ones that cry about the things i wrote just dissapear or STFU and play the game

#327

capcomdointhingsright said on August 25, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.

@326

Good point, hopefuly he starts runnin a sick Viper and we can all get sum lulz at the dikriders flooding the Caracter forums:

Duuuuur... ehhhh...Whats a super jump cancel? What does HPTK feint mean?

BAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!

#328

cris25 said on August 25, 2011 at 6:34 a.m.

IBUKI's kunais should be 40 damage, like akuma's air hadouken!

Makoto's health should not be different from the other girls. Ibuki is 900, so stop whining.

I just don't get it. Yun's divekick actually got a little better, getting 2 frame of advantage. But Yang got 2 frames of extra landing recovery. Give Yun the 2 extra frames of recovery too.

I like the other overall changes.

#329

rashed786 said on August 25, 2011 at 6:41 a.m.

Is it me or are capcom making too many changes too often? I'm not 100% comfortable with the changes they made between Super and AE and now there is gonna be a whole bunch of changes in 2012. Each time changes are made, we have to relearn the matchups....and there are alot of matchups. Capcom should have let AE mature for a bit, people would have found ways to overcome bad matchups.

#330

Kennn said on August 25, 2011 at 6:42 a.m.

for you Makoto cry babies, heres what the best SSF4 (not AE)makoto in the world had to say:

"10 dmg nerf on fukiage.
That's 20dmg as AA (fukiage*2 -> EX tsurugi).

In the corner combo, that's maximum 8dmg nerf (cause of damage reduce after XXX -> EX hayate -> LP fuki).
That's really nothing.....

EX karakusa nerf makes it not as bad as super. In super, EX karakusa had less range than LK karakusa.

The stHK is not a nerf, but a BUFF. It will hit low attack like ryu crHK.
They improved the hitbox, making it hit lower.

Make some calculation, and think a bit, before crying "OMG, THEY NERFED ME". Like feilong players did... "

#331

SAMURAI said on August 25, 2011 at 6:44 a.m.

@ 280

Tier whore

#332

Lyn said on August 25, 2011 at 6:46 a.m.

@333
F*ck you.

Go play Ken.

#333

HarryCodder said on August 25, 2011 at 6:51 a.m.

@ChunLi : can't agree with you more. Those changes make absolutely no sense. Someone must really hate Makoto over there at Capcom... Nerfing her and buffing Ken's EX Shoryuken, I think the risk/reward factor has never been that bad. Like ever.

@331 : Why Makoto should/could have different stamina ? Because she's completely different from the others girls in the game. She doesn't have a shoryuken-type move with startup invincibiliy for instance. After a knockdown, Makoto is left with absolutely no option now, great.

#334

HarryCodder said on August 25, 2011 at 6:57 a.m.

@333 It's not gonna hit low. They just extended the hitbox lower. That's what I understand anyway. And it's not like this move is fast or anything... Even it it hit low, it's another useless buff.
Those nerfs would not be that bad if the rest of the cast didn't get seriously buffed.

#335

Lyn said on August 25, 2011 at 6:58 a.m.

@336

No one should be allowed to speak for Makoto unless they play her.

With less health, shes more vunerable to fireball spam and sh*tty wake-ups.

Drop EX Kara range and she HAS ZERO F*CKING WAKEUP OPTIONS!

Everyone here who doesn't main her says "deal with it" which is ridiculous to no extent.

Then troll above post random sh*t showing how the "nerfs" weren't bad.

Bye AE Makoto and welcome SSFIV: Gets raped by spammers and turtles Makoto..

:( I hate you all.

#336

Kennn said on August 25, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.

@ Lyn cant you read? that statement is not coming from me but Vryu. be mad at him not me.

imo. makoto was top tier... yes below the big 3, but she was top regardless, they havent nerfed her on the level of those 3. she already had great damage output, which is why they gave her that fuk damage nerf. -10 is nothing to cry about as thats only a combo starter.

its only hard to get in if you play carelessly and inpatient. read #333 again, its coming from a better makoto user than everyone here. stop acting like its end of the world

#337

Tony_Jaa said on August 25, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.

I say "stop complaining about the changes and we ain't played the game yet".... But as a Adon player I must say I am very pleased with the change from Super to AE and the change I'm about to see for v.2012. Coz not hitting some crouching opponents with a focus attk was the worse thing ever.

Adon is definitely hi-mid tier. No bad match unless it's the Grapplers, although charge characters can b a pain.

#338

MilnerWins said on August 25, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.

Are these Changes finalized or will be more testing????

#339

Rettaka said on August 25, 2011 at 7:10 a.m.

@332 rashed786

No, it's not just you...I couldn't agree more with you!

#340

Lyn said on August 25, 2011 at 7:19 a.m.

@339

"Makoto was top-tier"

...How?

In no shape or form Makoto ran A tier.

#341

capcomdointhingsright said on August 25, 2011 at 7:20 a.m.

@338

Deal with it you ridiculous baby

I love these changes, UUUNNNNG...OOOH...GNNNNUFF Can't hold it anymore...OH GAWD *Jizzez in Lyns face*

#342

THE_GODDAMN_MASTER said on August 25, 2011 at 7:31 a.m.

@280: You tell the 'whiners' to stop complaining and learn the game, but you're complaining about changes made in the BETA of the 2012 patch.
A little backwards, no?

#343

lolasaurus said on August 25, 2011 at 7:32 a.m.

My mains are Makoto and Juri and I love what they have done. I don't think the changes to Makoto willl hurt her that much.

#344

Zabuza0fTheMist said on August 25, 2011 at 7:34 a.m.

cant believe they lumped yang in with yun please he was mid tier, but now he is bottom tier his done. yun will still b dangerous but YES!!!! my main DeeJay has a awesome buff super to ultra sweet!!!!!

#345

Kennn said on August 25, 2011 at 7:34 a.m.

@ Lyn after you remove the top 3, yes makoto was amongst the top characters along with viper seth sagat 1 or 2 others etcc. she definately wasnt middle tier in AE

#346

Dygengar said on August 25, 2011 at 7:43 a.m.

I still don't understand why people are so adamant about the yin Nerfs he in my opinion was not over powered and mind u I use Gouken who has a crappy wake up game and almost no reversal options and I do just fine as well was viperrx and bullcat and desora and don't u dare talk about "he has the Congo" that move is only usable to a skilled player so quit it I've never seen so many people b**ch and moan about a character just play the damn game and do ur best I mean goodness whatever happened to perseverance damn!

#347

kane said on August 25, 2011 at 7:46 a.m.

juri buffs yun/yang nerfs looks like the game is fixed to me ;D

#348

HarryCodder said on August 25, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.

I think Makoto was overratted when AE came out. She's more than ok against a lot of characters. But she also has very difficult matchups which make her far from top tier.
The idea you can have on Makoto really depends on which character you play.
So now all her good matchups are buffed and so are her bad ones so she really didn't deserve any nerf. The most frustrating thing is those completely useless buffs. It's like saying "hey, we cut you a finger, here is a nice ring to make up for it."

#349

deteknician said on August 25, 2011 at 7:52 a.m.

So Gen who has 900health with all his tools is on the same level as the new E.Ryu with 900 health + all his options + stupid damage? I guess I have to "learn the game" and be twice as good as a E.Ryu player to even compete. I hope these are not final.

#350

gtfopanda said on August 25, 2011 at 8 a.m.

@ #338

Makoto got arguably the highest stun in the game, her damage was insane (fuki trade into fuki rugi for 328/496 damage/stun, karakusa into st.hp xx ex hayate, fuki, ex rugi for MASSIVE damage and stun, grab into ultra for brainless 440-460 damage), she got basically everything improved in AE: U2, dashes, specials, health, st.LK karakusa etc.

Yes, she was a top tier, or they wouldn't have given have those slight nerfs.

But the nerfs are minor (provided the EX grab is still something around 0.8) as Vryu stated on SRK, they just made her more glass cannonish.

Just cause you aren't good it doesn't mean the character is bad.

#351

CBX said on August 25, 2011 at 8:07 a.m.

y'all can say whatever but i think yun got nerfed a little too hard with the dive kick height restrictions yang didn't even get that...i liked the rushdown feel of ae i don't want it to go back to down-back fighter

#352

Asmiliz said on August 25, 2011 at 8:16 a.m.

Im glad Makoto got nerfed, while most others got buffed. Its not like she was easy to use, but one or two wrong guesses against her and the fight was over. I blew up a lot of better players with her. It was so fun and satisfying to win with her in Super, but now i often ask myself if i reallys deserved it.

And i thought Yun was a lot of fun to play with, but i stayed away from him because he was a monster, now i might think about picking him up.

#353

Kennn said on August 25, 2011 at 8:24 a.m.

#351 having difficult match ups doesnt mean you cant be top tier. look at vanilla gief vs seth sim sagat.. he was still top. look at super guile vs viper abel seth etc.. some very bad match ups. its the overall picture, tally it together, and you're still above the rest of the cast. everyone has bad matches. AE yun has sagat and gief

#354

Lyn said on August 25, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.

@gtfopanda

your licking the juice from Capcom scrotum too?

#355

ID99 said on August 25, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.

can we just play the game and have fun while at it?

#356

ElectricBlanka said on August 25, 2011 at 8:41 a.m.

HAKAN = GOD TIER!

#357

68754 said on August 25, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.

i want champion mode added capcom team battle and tournament mode is stupid no one uses them but this time get rid of g ranking and just make g1 the highest ranking.

i want these chars added:
Karin, Rolento Eagle, Gill, Urien, Hugo, Ingrid, Goutetsu, and Charlie and all be happy )

#358

Burn said on August 25, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.

YES. IM A BIT LATE TO THE PARADE HERE, BUT OH WELL. DEEEEEEEEEJAAAAAAAYY! MY MAIN MAN FINALLY GETTING THE ATTENTION HE DESERVES! FEEL THE RHYTHM, FEEL THE RHYME, GET ON UP, IT'S DEEJAY TIME!

Phew, now, this isnt exactly what I wanted for him, but hey at least his sobats got more damage. I typically dont use super, but I can justify saving my EX now. The far. st. mp cancel is strange to me. far st. lk has more range and is already cancellable. sure mp will do more damage and maybe you can cancel into more things than just lk sobat, but still, lk is faster and has more range so it just seems like a useless buff. OH WELL! AT LEAST HE DIDNT GET NERFED! LOL U MAD MAKOTO FAGS?

#359

Izagaia said on August 25, 2011 at 9:03 a.m.

For Evil Ryu I would have rather seen the hop kick become a long-range overhead rather than be combo-able. But hell - it's good. Nice to see the target combo have a practical use as well. Strange that Capcom has never done nothing but nerf Ryu's shoryuken. Nice to see something resembling a buff. Wonder if this means we will see a st HK with priority ala' third strike?

#360

LibertySentinel said on August 25, 2011 at 9:10 a.m.

I don't play either of the twins, and I don't like fighting them, but those nerfs were excessive. I wanted them nerfed but this is too much. I really don't like an even LARGER height restriction on Yun's divekick.

#361

decepticon2304 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:13 a.m.

I main juri and i'm happy with the buffs. I only wish they would have done something with her u2 like give it a vacuum so you can use it as an anti air. But overall i am happy with this and the buffs evil ryu got.

Wonder who all the cry babies are going to complain about next? I know, who ever the gods of japan say is top tier in their eyes lol. Hope our fightin g community can just enjoy the update and stop the complaining. Who am i kidding it has already started!!!

#362

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.

dont think deejays gonna be tournament ready with these buffs. Okay he can now combo into super into U1 like gen. Also has a normal cancelable move. Hes probably good for a second or third main, dont think it would help any of his bad matchups tho. Would say around mid B ranking. Would be nice to see him combo into his U2 instead of dashing forward or having to ex machine gun in corner. Maybe trade hits to U2 or some other special move besides ex mg upper. Maybe like balrogs far stp into his U1. Maybe thats just to much to ask for. Just give giefs gh knock down back and better lariat. No need for extra damage buffs or spd range. Thats just stupid. I dont even main him! Hope this is the last balance update, unless they add more fighters then im all for it. More matchups and learning keeps this game exciting and fun for a long time. I hope those fuerte buffs are legit, now i just have to worry about my opponents fa crumple or ultras, dps or special moves. Gotta admit dashing under fuertes bodyslam was annoying especially when gief does it. Now worries no more.

#363

Zidiane said on August 25, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.

We need balance changes once or twice year.

#364

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.

#362 now that i can agree with you. character wise just straight NO to that. Unless capcom says other wise.

#365

hank1199 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:28 a.m.

Poor Yang, I understand the palm but all the other Nerfs are quite excessive. I been trying to 2nd him but would still get bodied by other seasoned players that played low tiers characters.I enjoy the fast recovery for the dive kick when the opponents would block and I would go for the throw; that will probably change now.

Any how can someone explain to me what the heck the "Upward hurtbox extended" means for his cr.lk shown on the nerf below: I interpret it has him being more vulnerable while crouching and therefore can be hit easier (less invincibility; I guess)

Crouching Light Kick's damage reduced from 30 to 20. Upward hurtbox extended.

#366

ThaOneKing said on August 25, 2011 at 9:36 a.m.

yea, my Juri is getting better and better....oh an Oni too.

#367

jason24cf said on August 25, 2011 at 9:38 a.m.

Wow rushdown characters got nerfed and the game seems to be back to the zoining and lame play. Not that Im against this but my beef is with Fei's rekka nerf. It was the same since Vanilla. Since everyone else got buffed punishing -6 on block isnt that hard and now at -8 it will be 3 times as hard to get in on a fireball/charage character. -8 on block from 2nd lp rekka results into a 200-500 damage combo that can end with a super/Ultra. His damage was nerfed as was his cw. So to also please the massive babies crying they nerf his most important tool and thats his rekka. Apply this same nerf to Bisons lk scissor kick and make it negative and Bisons players will feel the pain of FEi players. Our get in, go to pressure move.

Once Capcom sees Mago and Fuudo drop Fei they will see thay went to far and beyond to please players who couldnt punsih a rekka. And I am more then positive they wouldnt update it as SFxT will be droping next year

#368

Darkyellow said on August 25, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.

Capcom trolled Dudley hard. Most of those buffs are useless. The Backswing blow buff is nice, but that move is extremely slow so who knows how effective it actually is?

#369

TonyCorleone said on August 25, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.

Why on Earth have they touched Makoto at all?! She wasn't even winning any tournaments FFS! It was never easy wins for Makoto players, so why the nerfs? This is just absolutely ridiculous... I've been playing her since Super came out... In AE they finally do her some favours, but not drastic ones and then they rob her of stuff again! Why CAPCOM, WHY?

#370

Pondu5Comboxing said on August 25, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.

OK i made an account just for this. THANK YOU CAPCOM! TURN THE BEAT BACK.

#371

gtfopanda said on August 25, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.

@ #359

I don't lick any of that stuff.

I just happen to have friends who main (and well) Makoto, and I also read SRK. Stop complaining, your girl still rocks - and quite a few asked for that target to be cancellable.

@ #370

The Twin's crouching shorts ducked under every neutral jump attack. Hopefully they just fixed that.

@ #374

Up to 440-460 damage off a grab you can't tech is an easy win in my book. They didn't touch that.

#372

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.

surprisingly more makoto complaints then akuma and fei. WOAH!!!! Where was the fuerte complaints or abel people???it was hard enough for me to stick with fuerte, now hes worthy enough to fight against top tiers now.

#373

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:03 a.m.

Capcom nerf vega!!!!!!!!! Nerf his claw and mask. Kill threats in 3, 2, 1....... oh my?

#374

Sencho said on August 25, 2011 at 10:03 a.m.

no matter how hard you hate the twins, these nerfs are too much I think...

#375

MrPavy said on August 25, 2011 at 10:07 a.m.

this is what i think of Yun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTOtrP...

#376

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.

#379 annoying characters but was really uncalled for. Why not nerf there palm strike and meter gain. Fei i understand. Well might as well say nerf dan before flocks of him start pouring online. Just kidding......

#377

mcknight8279109 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:09 a.m.

People don't realize the things makoto was capable of Her so called bad matchups can be worked around after one knockdown, Knockdown guile, neutral jump HK Axe Kick, makes flash kick whiff so badly that you damn near have time to taunt then dash up U1, Against yun knock him down, dash up f HK crossup jump forward J.HP shuts down all reversals clean, No free jump ins or you'll eat about 400 damage easy yea she gets raped in the corner but wakeup ex Karakusa shuts it down. and yea thats only a few characters but i ain't bout to type all the other tech she has against the rest of the cast She was easily 3rd or 4th best in the game. They shouldn't have re-instated the Vaginal Tax that didn't make sense. I hope Capcom realizes these things and change her back and make her ex reversals UNTHROWABLE, Thrown outta EX Overhead? Really capcom?

#378

Beehol said on August 25, 2011 at 10:11 a.m.

@Catalyst

Guy also got his overhead buffed, it will no longer whiff over an opponents head and can be done from point blank range. Guy's walkspeed when walking backwards is faster now too.

#379

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:14 a.m.

And mr pavy does it again. bravo my boy bravo.

#380

mrdrofficer said on August 25, 2011 at 10:27 a.m.

#382

1. Her overhead isn't a reversal. Amazingly Abel can get thrown out of falling sky as well. Huh, amazing.

2. 3rd or 4th in the game when your talking about AE means the character needs a little balancing like everyone else. Her nerfs/buffs are more than fair for her damage and shouldn't do anything but make her play smarter. It's fair. Plus I wouldn't say any characters getting raped by these changes.

#381

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.

makoto players just play smarter and stop throwing ex grabs for easy wins. case closed.

#382

shadow050 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.

nice deejay buff...
LOL @ twin nerfs... but they got the block/hitstun of their dive kicks increased
wtf@ increasing oni's health... esp when it's higher than e. ryu's lol

@ 378 lol you crazy. i bet they still didn't fix the various hitbox issues he has... like the way cr lp -> cr mp xx l. RCF DOES NOT connect on Guy lol

#383

StrayX said on August 25, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.

For the makoto changes... s.HK buff + target combo s.mk cancellable + longer super + charged hayate for DIFFERENT RANGE? guys, I'm loving these changes.

and yes, I main Makoto and play ONLY Makoto. 50 life is nothing, considering that once you get in, you basically finish the match in 15 seconds. If you can't get in because of a solid defence, you can have 950 life or 1500 life, it won't change anything. This ain't Zangief, you're not suppose to take lotsa hits to get in.

#384

GW said on August 25, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.

@307

Lol you're just a scrub. You want Cody to be S tier? or A+? They are trying to balance the game not make the game more unbalanced you retard. And Cody is definitely not low tier. He is mid tier, stated by Tokido, Daigo and Mago and it's also quite evident how Momochi and Sasaki decimate even top tier players. You say nothing he gets is really game changing? A cu with 3 frames recovery is not game changing, it's just for noobs like you who want to spam it and have it being totally safe at most times. These balances are meant for high level play not for a scrub who can't space properly and is eating dp's all day.

I'm pretty sure his walk speed is his best buff since it makes him more mobile and improves his footsies. You compared his speed to Ryu but since you are a scrub you do not understand that Cody has way better normals and a way better footsie game especially with the new walk speed. He can also cover distance with prisoner slide and crack kick which makes him more mobile and could easily out footsie Ryu any day.

You also want more hitstun for the ultra 2? It seems that you are just too scrubby and can't connect it from the right distance. O and you want Ex cu to have invincibility? So you can just mash it out on wake up? Your changes are all for scrubs who can't space properly and can't block. This isn't sf4 noob edition, if you want that go play vanilla and spam uppercuts with sagat.

Also Sasaki isn't just fadcing his cu because it is unsafe, he is continuing the pressure because after the cu is blocked, the pressure is reset and if he fadc's he can get a grab or frame trap opportunity so he can continue pressure.

Also Cody already has great changes, A 2 meter safe reversal on techable knockdowns whilst also being in a safe position if fadc'd forward. And the overhead is a massive change. Now it is safe on hit and block when it was really unsafe on block and even hit previously. You can now combo off the hit and set up frame traps if hit low since its +1 on block and also being -1 on block making it one of the best overheads due to the damage, range and comboability. But a scrub like you wouldn't know that.

Now picking up the knife is safe which is also big and having standing jab being +6 on block can frame trap just by spamming but a scrub like you would probably never utilize Cody to his full potential and just never pick up the knife.

Go main Dan, he is a joke like you.

#385

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.

d@mn guy as his ability to duck under rsfs!!!!! fuerte must know the secrets of bushinryu! );< that is all....... guys a tough matchup for fuerte i gotta admit tho.

#386

werewolfgold said on August 25, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.

I think that Lvl 5. Hayate should be unblockable and have projectile invincibility as punishment for letting someone charge it for so long...

#387

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.

#389 intense paragraphs i gotta say, theres still time to save hitmanr92!!!! Someone throw some holy water on him quick!!!!!!!!!!!!! ~o8¦

#388

shadow050 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:04 a.m.

@ 389
DAMN!! OOOWWWNNNAAAAGGGGEEEEEEEE!!! lol

#389

decepticon2304 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:13 a.m.

#389 lol preach on man, killed it.

#390

BestAlgorithm said on August 25, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.

@Lyn

Are you racist? I hope they add Elena and Eddy so I can beat you over and over again :D.

Elena for SSF4 2012 DLC please.

#391

MizutamaKozo said on August 25, 2011 at 11:19 a.m.

Daigo made a NESYS card of Guile , Ken and RYU yesterday.

#392

decepticon2304 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:30 a.m.

@396 i hope he goes back to ryu. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with evil ryu though.

#393

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:31 a.m.

wanna see daigo main eryu.

#394

denaycous_dee85 said on August 25, 2011 at 11:32 a.m.

and tokido oni. surprisingly justins still with rufus.

#395

RawVoltage said on August 25, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.

Hakaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! Oil from beginning! :'D
Super has less startup! :'}}}}}

Thank the SF gods! There are certain characters you can't oil up on, with good players, this makes it too good ! :}

#396

L45R said on August 25, 2011 at 12:03 p.m.

I don't think the twins are nerfed that hard to be honest..those are very reasonable nerfs...and they DO need to nerf them a little to make some character viable like SIM for example and they don't really want to buff SIM too much because SIM, on the other hand, dominates other characters...it's a fine balance...the twins will still be top 10 chars for sure.

#397

the_truth said on August 25, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.

@153 fireinthehole

There were plenty of unnecessary nerfs going from super to ae & people said "things could change it's not final". All of the nerfs stuck no matter how ridiculous they were so i wouldn't get your hopes up.

AE 2012 is looking like a better game it's only the tier whores who are overreacting & they won't be able to jump to another character this time because it's looking like no character will have a clear advantage against all the other characters like in ae, hopefully there'll be plenty of delicious character diversity & playstyles this time round

#398

trauma213 said on August 25, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.

WHO WILL DAIGO PLAY NOW. MOST DEFINITELY NOT YUN LOLOLOLOL.

#399

Shake3 said on August 25, 2011 at 12:28 p.m.

Juri players be satisfied with the buffs. Although she still doesnt have a true reversal, her FSE game will be even more dangerous. And the Pinwheel FADC changes are good too, can open up new Fadc combos.

My Boy cody got buffed too, great to see.

#400

Shinebox said on August 25, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.

@396 where did you get that information?

#401

sickthink said on August 25, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.

damnit! damn it all to hell! I wanted Adon's wakeup time back! That's all I wanted!!*sobs*

#402

Hitstick said on August 25, 2011 at 12:35 p.m.

Good.....There is NO clear advantages in characters now with these new updates. Players are gonna have to actually learn to play the game!

#403

decepticon2304 said on August 25, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.

@404 as a juri player im definitely happy. All though i did wish they would have gave her u2 a vortex to pull players in, but hey can't have it all. Plus i'm also happy they buffed my 2nd main evil ryu.

#404

Mabans said on August 25, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.

Isn't funny how people are trashing about who daigo will use now with the Yun Nerfs? As if he wasn't using ryu, who was no where near Top Tier.

The 2 things I wanted for Cody. Faster walk and somewhat of a viable wake up option.. I can't wait to play with these new changes.

#405

Mabans said on August 25, 2011 at 12:49 p.m.

#389

EX.CU is invincible, cant' be thrown while doing it. I use it a lot against grapplers.. but like you said, a scrub like that wouldn't' know.

#406

fireinthehole said on August 25, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.

@402

True, but did Capcom do the locational test thing when going from Super-->AE? I really don't know the answer to that question.

Ono did say that he wanted to really take his time on this one so that he and his team and do the best they could to completely balance everything out.

#407

Burnkickftl said on August 25, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.

its sad how many people are complaining about makoto nerfs for real??

the last time i checkd when any shoto landed a dp they couldnt do dp dp axe kick for like 350 dmg off an anti air....

plz stfu all u nubs who cant understand that she barely got touchd

#408

Aluppoj said on August 25, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.

@407

Yes, because before now people who had no idea what they were doing were enjoying massive success right?

Were "They" (The People who never learned to play) beating you?

#409

MilnerWins said on August 25, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.

WILDCAT815 must be loving this

#410

logic_boi said on August 25, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.

Looking over the Cody buffs again, they aren't that much. His overhead was more fixed than buffed. Walk speed will prolly be upped to Abel's ie not much.

#411

atreyu25 said on August 25, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.

Overall, VERY happy about the buffs on Guy. I don't know what all the other Guy players are complaining about. Easier execution for elbow drop means easier pressure or bait tactics. No more accidental j.MP's! I'm hoping they made f.MP's hitbox better so I can consistently get two hits out of the overhead. A bit happy about the throw.

Some buffs I were hoping for Guy:
1) Better Walkspeed
2) Less Pushback when [mp hp] hits (like super range)
3) LESS DAMAGE SCALING, ESPECIALLY WHEN COMBOING INTO U1.

#412

Grimmjow316 said on August 25, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.

Well let's see what the testers say hopefully they get the right players for each character.

#413

BlankaBeast said on August 25, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.

Holy Cody

Not lookin forward to that matchup.

#414

BlankaBeast said on August 25, 2011 at 2:23 p.m.

is this list FINAL?

#415

METEOR2221 said on August 25, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.

YES , I AM WAITING THE MAKOTO NERfS YES YES YESSS
GUY BUFFS ? FUC-K YOU CAPCOM , HE HAS THE BEST COMBOS AND PRESSURE AND MORE BUFFS ?

#416

bigfellr said on August 25, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.

so what now? back to turtling now capcom? screw this im playing zombies then gears of war 3 then mw3. i always hated sf4 turtling

#417

Sirius said on August 25, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.

The senpusha buff is surprising, it's really huge

#418

FinalList371 said on August 25, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.

As a dedicated Guy player, my wishes were for improved forward walkspeed, MP houzantou to come out faster, making it more combo-able, and more horizontal range for EX Bushin Sempukyaku.

The last one, I would really love, so I can escape safe jumps and crossup mixups more easily. I don't need or want an FAD cancelable Sempukyaku, I don't think it suits Guy that well.

#419

Stitchking said on August 25, 2011 at 3:06 p.m.

@395

I was thinking the same thing. Notice how we didn't get a response.

#420

Hitstick said on August 25, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.

@414: No, the point is whiners [people who don't WANT to learn how to play] won't complain [make excuses] about "OVERPOWERED" characters beating them as an excuse anymore.

IT'S ALL ON YOU!

#421

BushinryuBro5 said on August 25, 2011 at 3:37 p.m.

@421: It's whiners like you that gave us an unbalanced game. Why don't you do something productive like suggest buffs and nerfs for a specific character?

#422

anaki said on August 25, 2011 at 3:47 p.m.

i found fei long to be nerfed the hardest out of the 3 top tiers
if you just wanted him balanced, you couldve revert him back to his super self by taking away his +frames on standing jab that made comboing into sweep possible, and making ex rekka useless like on super.

#423

Raven said on August 25, 2011 at 4:01 p.m.

Makoto's health in Super "I believe" was 900, not 950.

Dee Jay can now cancel out of Sobat Carnival (Super) into Sobat Festival (Ultra 1). This makes him, according to the blog, the only other character besides Dan who can cancel a Super directly into Ultra. If you land both it does 570 damage.

That is an awesome buff. But still, Dee Jay needs improved normals. I've read many times that his are mediocre and are a bigger issue.

I think overall the changes are solid, remember, this is a location tests. It isn't final.

Makoto should get back her health and grab range. While Makoto can decimate her opponent, her inability to get in against zoners/charge characters forces her to work amazingly hard for little payoff. But Makoto just got a few changes, not a huge list of nerfs. My bet is that she's weaker in 2012, but considering the nerfs of other characters...Makoto is relatively power generally speaking. Same as Viper, people thought her nerfs sucked. But look at how they compare to the twins.

Ryu should also get his cr.mk back, a tool that actually matters. Capcom has a knack for touching things that don't matter in high level play and they need to be steered away from doing that. I don't think Yun/Yang will be unplayable, but they'll require far more thought to use.

Daigo may stop playing if Yun gets nerfed, but so what? Yun was too good, Guile is getting buffed and Ken is awesome. And he's familiar with those characters.

#424

Anon said on August 25, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.

@406

No way. Of all the things that were broken since Vanilla SF4, his wakeup being so much quicker in SSF4 was the most broken.

#425

Ex_Ein said on August 25, 2011 at 4:17 p.m.

......
@Yun and Yang's changes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zzg3U...

#426

Ex_Ein said on August 25, 2011 at 4:24 p.m.

@431
why because you can't time around something that's unque to one character? it's not like he got a free ultra(and I mean literally an ultra that can't be blocked or dodged) just can't be tricked up by

@406
BROTHER STAND TALL FOR ONE DAY WE SHALL SEE THE FASTER WAKE UP RETURN!

#427

EasyLoops said on August 25, 2011 at 4:32 p.m.

Ummm... why did they nerf Yang so much? Do they suffer suaver brain damage?

#428

Raven said on August 25, 2011 at 4:43 p.m.

@Anon, it might be annoying but how the hell is it broken? Are you saying it was on par with SF4 Sagat? It wasn't anywhere near that good, it just gave him an advantage in specific situations. And he's still not a top level character at that. He was mid-tier from the get go and requires strict knowledge and execution to take anywhere, unlike the twins and Fei.

#429

OG said on August 25, 2011 at 5:03 p.m.

Cody buffs? Hell yeahhhh.

#430

JohnJack said on August 25, 2011 at 5:35 p.m.

I don't play Ibuki, but the buff on her Ultra 1 seems insane (full ultra if fireball hits airborne opponent). Is this because the move isn't a zero-frame grab like zangief? I doubt these changes will be final, but if they are ... players will simply have to adapt.

#431

Unknown_Unknown said on August 25, 2011 at 5:35 p.m.

You know, coming from someone who stuck with Abel from Super to AE, I think a lot of you whiners are overeacting just a tad.

#432

theivious said on August 25, 2011 at 5:57 p.m.

WTF IS WRONG WIF THEM! Y R THEY NERFING THE WEAKER TIER AND BUFFING THE HIGHER TIER (ON AVG)!!! come on if makoto need any more changes she needs more stamina not less idiots, fukiage is already one of the hardest moves to use in the game and lowering the low damage it has doesnt help! i dunno abt u guys but i thinkk this is a big f_cking bull-shiet! boycott!

#433

grey_fox216 said on August 25, 2011 at 6:02 p.m.

Signed up to the site just to say, thanks for nerfing the sh!t out of yang, effectively rendering him useless, crippling him for merely being related to yun ( who funnily enough, didnt get nerfed as hard) seriously what the FXCK.

please dont let this be final, or i will sell my AE. inb4 quit whinging

#434

theivious said on August 25, 2011 at 6:14 p.m.

boycott sf, fux u guys im goin to play kofxiii

#435

TheMasterPlayer said on August 25, 2011 at 6:25 p.m.

NOW when all is SAID and DONE with these changes and this patch, WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE.. please for the love of STREET FIGHTER stop moaning/bitching/whining/complaining/or what have you already!!!

I've had it with you whiners in the community and with CAPCOM(YEAH YOU CAPCOM!) for making us play so many versions/iterations/editions of your precious SFIV already! I used to love this game.. even up into AE. But as soon as i've heard of another "balance patch", I started getting sick over it! AE is supposed to be the DEFINITIVE version of SFIV! Now we have "ver.2012".. what's next.. ver.2013, 2014, 2015... WTF! STOP this sh1t already!

NO FIGHTING game, I repeat, no fighting game will ever be truly, perfectly balanced! It's just the nature of the game and the individual playstyles and movesets of each character! what are you guys trying to do.. turn street fighter into a FPS where you constantly need balance patches every now and then! GEEEZ!!!

#436

Jok2x said on August 25, 2011 at 6:27 p.m.

Just cause the character's you play get buffed don't mean you're any better...

#437

clessadnade said on August 25, 2011 at 6:32 p.m.

I just don't believe they nerfed Makoto that way. She was horrible in the first version, now they want her to be awful again. Why they put a Makoto on the game for her to be so weak then? I hope they change her a bit more. It seems she will be the worst of the game. Almost everyone got buffed.

#438

powderedtoastman said on August 25, 2011 at 7:20 p.m.

@#443
Overreact much? shes isnt gonna be awful from a revert on health change(only 50 points lol just like the other females and she does more damage than most of them still), slight damage nerf on one special move, and slightly less range on a one form of her command grab(only ex)...
they buffed one of her target combos(which was suggested), super has more time which isnt a bad thing when going from super>U1 and a few other changes that werent nerfs and debatable buffs.
She still carries alot of improvements over to AE which havent been reverted. And there are plenty of other characters that had straight up nerfs to just about all specials moves and loads of normals changes. None of makoto normals where nerfed and one special nerfed only on damage(stun and hitbox buff stayed). Its not the end of the world and she definitely will not be worst ingame from minor nerfs and a few buffs.

#439

HabinoBR said on August 25, 2011 at 8:13 p.m.

Guy buffs <3

#440

JIHADJOE said on August 25, 2011 at 8:34 p.m.

AE:
Very strong SF3 characters to get all of those Third Strike holdouts to play SF4.

AE 2012:
Nerfs to SF3 characters to make the above people they reeled in with AE go play 3S OE instead.

#441

ismail90 said on August 25, 2011 at 9:12 p.m.

There is only one way Capcom can make a version of SF4 without ANYONE complaining: put in the best iteration of each character in the game.

Super abel
Super adon
Vanilla akuma
Super balrog
Vanilla blanka
Super cammy
Super chun li
AE 2012 cody
AE c viper
AE 2012 dan
AE 2012 dudley
AE 2012 dee jay
Super dhalsim
Super e honda
Super el fuerte
AE 2012 evil ryu
AE fei long
Super guile
Vanilla gen
AE 2012 gouken
AE 2012 guy
AE 2012 hakan
Super ibuki
AE 2012 juri
AE 2012 ken
AE makoto
Super m bison
AE 2012 oni
Super rose
Vanilla rufus
Vanilla ryu
Vanilla sagat
AE 2012 sakura
Vanilla seth
AE 2012 t hawk
Super vega
AE yang
AE yun
Vanilla zangief

Feel free to correct me if I got the wrong version of the best iteration of your character. Of course the game will be broken as hell but hey, you can't say sh*t about your character needing buffs etc lol.

#442

Asmiliz said on August 25, 2011 at 9:41 p.m.

@TheMasterPlayer
The other Versions were no balance patch. Super was very balanced, and i dont remember a lot of whinning about it. They added new characters and rebalanced it, and screwed up. Its not like some internet trolls complained, the whole Street Fighter community complained. Even Pros. They went away from the characters they loved and picked up Yun and Fei and People were amazed when someone like Seth or Sakura blew up the Tournament because it was just so unexpected. Do you really want that? Is that a Street Fighter and a Street Fighter community you could love? I dont wantz that. And i want Pros to choose a character they like and not all go with the same chars, becazuse they have to since its their Job to do good in tournaments.

And what is so bad about balance patches. Its not like its a different game now. Its even fun to get new weapons and adjust your playstyle to the changes, keeps it fresh and interesting. And if you really get annoyed by whinning people, it would be a good tip to stay away from communitys altogether. People are like that.

#443

BlankaBeast said on August 25, 2011 at 10:20 p.m.

Boxer gets his headbutt dmg back from super and Guile still has ass FK dmg WTF.

#444

Whoscamping said on August 25, 2011 at 10:27 p.m.

Wow these twin nerfs r a little unnecessary Changing the height of yuns divekicks is almost chsnging his playstyle wow ono way 2 give into all the crybabies like he could have just buffed everyone and mayb make a few nerfs instead of making a character useles

#445

Darkyellow said on August 25, 2011 at 10:31 p.m.

The 15 or so most popular/best characters in Super were pretty balanced against each other. The bottom 20 were not balanced.

#446

theivious said on August 26, 2011 at 1:31 a.m.

@443 yes! HALLELUJAH SHOUT IT LIKE IT IS!
@444 go fux urself!
look makoto has pretty much nuttin, no anti-projectiles and etc. EVEN 50 POINTS IS A LOT CONCERNING HER SLOW WALK SPEED TOO! DUN FORGET THT!

#447

theivious said on August 26, 2011 at 1:33 a.m.

@447 yes to u too!

#448

Grimmjow316 said on August 26, 2011 at 4:31 a.m.

^ her dash idiot.

#449

Asmiliz said on August 26, 2011 at 6:51 a.m.

@452 Makoto is hard to play. Thats how it is supposed to be. If she would have more options, she would have less priority in her moves, less damage and whatnot. Dont try to change my makoto into a boring autopilot char, and be proud that you are one of the few who are ballsy enough to work for your victory. Play Mindgames with her and you will win. Thats what shes here for.

#450

downruplyb said on August 26, 2011 at 5:48 p.m.

Hit confirm -> Slasher/Sobat -> Super -> U1?

U1 is hard to hit because it doesn't have real comboability and its startup doesn't travel far. That buff'll be really nasty, but it seems unfair since no one else can do that save for Dan (and that's out of a no damage Super Taunt). I wonder if they changed his initial kick in U1 startup to act closer in invincibility & distance to EX Sobats, would that be "fairer?"

@429 - Dee Jay's normals probably do fall in the mediocre range, but they aren't that bad. st. MP buff helps and j. MK/knee shots are good mind eff tools. If anything, I'd just want his st. HK back to ST or A3 properties and I'd be really happy.

#451

valkyrievewas said on August 26, 2011 at 10:54 p.m.

Please give vega something to save his butt from total rush down. Invi frames on terror or anti air like adjust hitbix on standing light kick...

#452

DORMWORM said on August 27, 2011 at 2:48 a.m.

I love STREET FIGHTER 4 LIFE!!!!

but I really dont understand the nerf process at all, is it not possible to give every character a different set of advantages to form a balance?

Maybe because im a creator myself but I just think the point is being missed somewhere, the actual character uniqueness should play a big role on there strengths and weaknesses.

For instance I main Adon, yes Adon :/

so when his speedy wake up was nerfed i was pissed,
WHY?
because Adon is a speedy Agile Character with a worped prideful fighting spirit that enables him to jump back up to get his ass kicked right back down i would think.
But thats a unique Advantage he or maybe one other should have he dont throw fireballs or have long mix up combos , he just in your face!
understand? he was considered bottom tier to Gamerbee J.Kicked Rufus

NOW HOW bout Cody? i went from Adon to Cody not too long ago because i got into his Character as well )
Though im loving the new buffs im a little upset about 2 things,

1st :A lot of lames going to be using Cody now
2nd; HIs walk speed increased? yes i should be happy but its not Cody,
this guy sleeps on floors, yawns, picks up sh* throws it....he's a lazy fighter
i cant see his walk speed increasing with him being the way he is

nobody is unique in the game anymore

maybe the forward dash should have good speed if anything cuz hes quick when he Zonk you...

poor yang man wtf he do? Capcom hire me i got ideas

#453

Zabuza0fTheMist said on August 27, 2011 at 5:54 a.m.

lol i feel most sorry for Yang he got nerfed by association, man he was mid tier at best hence why nobody used he, an he does no damage and cant do anything without meter. His there like "man yun look what u got me into, i got raped simply because im your brother people hating i yun so much his brother got nerfed his mom got nerfed, even his dog got nerfed, just take the twins out the game capcom.

#454

DORMWORM said on August 27, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.

looks like YUN was gonna get Yang into some bs from the start of the game...
he set yang up. i like yang too hes a good kid lol

#455

Raven said on August 29, 2011 at 3:14 p.m.

We eliminated things that made him a scrubby character, and made it so that players with strong technical skills will be able to shine when using him.

lol

#456

kekon3 said on August 30, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.

Read all the comments... how many payed any attention to Dudley's changes. I hope people understand the scary s--t that may come from FADC Rose taunt.

#457

Guilessonicboom said on September 21, 2011 at 1:37 a.m.

Why buff Ken, he takes no skill to play and is so scrubby it's unreal. Buffing EX shoryuken is totally unneccesary.

#458

EpicKxEventhubs said on September 21, 2011 at 7 a.m.

DAN.
TIER.

#459

Shockwavesxe said on September 21, 2011 at 7:38 p.m.

Adons will be god tier

#460

Grubba said on September 27, 2011 at 11:04 p.m.

"Cammy mostly unchanged". Sure, after she got destroyed from AE nerfs, thats just BS

#461

CaptainPwnSauce said on October 27, 2011 at 8:50 p.m.

Liking the Abel changes, I'm pretty indifferent to the U2 changes for him since I only use that ultra against Giefs. I like seeing Guile getting a little buffed as well.

#462

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