Tip from IceJohn, GHTel and Brazilanubis3.
So does that mean You-Know-Who might actually be playable now?
DLC wasn't possible
BS TIMES 1000000
you just wanted more money
#5
They would have made even more if it was DLC.
Entitled children these days.....
Do we have to bring out the DLC character prices would of totaled more then 40$ thing again? I swear all you guys do is whine whine whine whine whine whine whine WHINE about Capcom and how it's a company and companies like to make MONEY so they can make better GAMES for us. I swear you guys are starting to piss me off.
#2
I noticed that too. 20 stages? Hope its true.
@12: Yes, a natural disaster FORCED them to continue with their standard method of updating fighting games instead of delaying the DLC.
Agree with the civil rational people who have posted at the moment. Everything they say about diskspace, changing core codes and elements, etc are all true, plus as yoshinatorz mentioned it would have costed more then what they are pricing, plus been less available to people who dont buy dlc. This is easily the best option.
The thing is people demand new characters, new stages, rebalancing etc etc but the minute capcom announce a game for them, all they do is b!tch and moan and make out capcom the badguys. Its demand and supply christ sake.
Plus you don't think as a company with employers, they need to pay for their staff wages and overheads for the hard work they do. Plus they are a business at the end of the day, their main goal is keep the company up, and have money to reinvest to create better overall games to make more profit. Basically its simple.....
Live with it, or dont buy their games.
i have no problem with it being a whole new game. and that would have been a super super big DLC so i understand it could be a new game all characters overhauled, 12 new characters, more stages, i think they tweaked the graphics. i agree with capcoms decision and i bought the collectors edition and im pumped for ultimate, i think all the characters they chose are unique and bring alot of stuff to the franchise and if people keep supporting them you may just get what you want. heck my favorite capcom character is sakura but i guarentee she will never be in it but oh well i just got over it. for the love of god there were like 12 sf2 games and i played them all dropping countless quarters into machines and loved every second of it
For all the people who argue that if it was DLC (I'm talking to you, Comment 9) it'd be more than $40, look at it this way:
I paid 60$ for Marvel, a game that includes all the base characters, modes and stages.
Now I pay 40$ for all the base and extra characters, modes and stages.
That's $60 I wasted on a game that no one is going to play anymore.
Granted it seems kinda obvious - but ya reckon this means that a certain ace attorney may be a zoner? :O
if you can manage to save 5 dollars a week you can pay for the game no problem and sell the old one this isnt a new concept capcom has done this for as long as i can remember
"Fans are a voice at the table, and they don't call all the shots."
I couldn't have put it better myself. Now all the little whining cry babies can shut up about Mega Man/Gambit/Whatever.
@18
I joke around that he's going to keep them out with "Restraining orders," but IDK.
@17 Well as a free thinking consumer, you have the decision at the end of the day and dont have to buy the new game, so thats $40 saved. Nothing is forcing you to buy it. Plus, physical price of games goes down, DLC stays the same price unless there is a deal.
Dlc or physical, if you buy it, you're still paying.
Liars! Dr. Strange was in Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
#17 So how many times in your life have you done that by now? Seriously think about it that's the video game industry in a nut shell. You play the newest shiney game with everyone until the next newest shiney game comes out. As #22 said You are a free thinking consumer whom at the end of the day can make the decision to buy or not. If you do want the game but don't want to spend money on it there are easy solutions. You can wait till the holiday's and ask for it as a gift, or you can take advantage of a buy 1 get 1 free sale at a retail store trust me they have these big sales all the time. You usually get the less expensive title for free which in this case would be Marvel. Trade in old games you do not play at all and get some credit for it and buy it that way. Trust me guys if you are frugal there are ways around it to where you can get the game without have to dish out that 40 dollars. I take advantage of these sales all the time and have a rather decent collection for half of what people have probably spent on there collection.
@25
The irony of it all was I got it for free*, but I'm just speaking up for the people who did have to pay for it. I mean, how are they supposed to know that they'd come out with another one.
(*I won a tournament for it at the Walmart by my house.)
The 1st time I played Ultimate Marvel 3 at the NYC fight club . I did X-Factor in the air by accident.
@26 That is why I'm not buying Street fighter X Tekken, I been fool 2x by capcom already, I bought Street fighter 4 and MvC3. I really want AE but I'm not going to get it till I'm sure that is the final copy, I might get UMvC3. But I'm most likly waiting for Super/Ultimate SFxT.
KInda interesting that Marvel wanted to add another Avenger and a Taskmaster like character instead of ONE Spider-Man villian.
Capcom knew exactly what they were doing. I still believe they deliberately failed the first time so people would just purchase the new version. If they stop taking short cuts it would have been correct the first time.
@ 28, guess that means you'll be waiting for the "final" Madden too? Or the "final" Call of Duty?
Also, can we get a new move for Dante? No? Fine, I guess it was too much to ask :P
More emphasis on zoning... Well, so far it doesn't seem like it, but if UMvC3 is gonna be like SSF4, and cater to the defensive players... ;_;
@30 What exactly is your definition of fail? Fail to you is because they did'nt put Mega man in the first one or no Spectator Mode, Fail to them is when a game does'nt make more than they spent to make it which they did. Success is what allows them to improve on a game. IF the game does'nt do well, there is no point in releasing DLC to improve the game because no buy means people don't want it. Apparently Capcom is doing something right.
The success of MvC3 allows them to improve on the game but the improvments require a new disc release, I think thats understandable but Capcom has other games, you got the new RE games coming out, DmC (Although there are some controversy it's still their game), you have SFxT next year, im sure they would'nt want a new MvC3 coming out the same time as SFxT, and since it's a new game they are pushing to release this sooner to make room for other games.
Capcom cares about money. I'd like someone to show me a company that thinks otherwise. Of course they do. You want o Marry Capcom or something? this is a BUISNESS. And fans shoudl treat it as a buisness. You want something? You make a deal. Fans ask put abc, Capcom says ok but we can only do bc; take it or leave it. What do you do?
Pay for it means (I like it)
Don't pay for it means (I don't like it)
Nothing personal, just buisness buy if you like it, don't if you hate it. So SeriphAngel, did you buy MvC3?
Speak with your wallet folks.
@Von_Kunlun_BOOF
you can trade it in for UMVC3.....just saying because that's an option for alot of people have. And I swear if you say(I know it's just in the defense of others since you got yours for free) "well I don't wanna" or "well I don't like game stop" I can those aren't valid excuses those are just people and their personal preference
to everyone:
XShonuffX is right without support from the consumer there wouldn't have been UMVC3 or SSF4 or Arcade edition.
@LearningFast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvjyDN...
Educate yourself also unless you know what the size of the game is compared to normal MVC3 and the full list of changes is I wouldn't call it bull.
@33: Fail to me means they did not do it right the first time not because the blue is not with the red guy. Seriously business or not(and I know business) does not have to mean have your customers spend unneeded funds. They were doing fine before all this online crap so "business" is something I will not allow you or anyone else to tell me is their only reason since they made good games before when they knew they had to get them right. "Oh yeah let us make MvC3"...."that did not work...OH let us make a NEW one not even a year after we make the first one."
has niitsuma ever seen marvel ultimate alliancee doctor strange is in that game and he said he was only on paper and never in 3d huh do they ever talk to marvel hahaha
#6 / NoizyChild
Helllll no, they are making wayyyyyy more money this way.
Think before you comment especially with such a condescending tone.
And dont give me the extremely basic ''12 characters = 60 bucks yeyeyeyeye'' argument.
Howmany people would have actually bought all 12 characters? Right..Probably no one. How do I know? 1. Look @ Jill & Shuma, Ive almost never run across one and I know judging by the forums not many bought them or are even slightly interested in them. Have you bought them? Think not
2. People like to instant buy characters they know. I was gonna main Dante before I knew he was good. same now with Vergil. No one knows 60% of the new chars.
This way they are forcing us to buy them. Im not saying im not for UMVC3, im just saying this was an obvious business strategy. Not to mention AGAIN they are rushing the game. Nitts admitted that they wanted 20 chars instead of 12. (99% sure it was gonna cost 40 bucks too) Yay unfinished product
Also Niitsuma didn't do as much research as he should have:
Dr.Strange has his own animated movie has appeared mutliple times in many different animated series and in ultimate alliance.
However, in ultimate alliance he really wasn't doing the whole incantation thing
@38: Thank you I felt I was the only one who saw this as merely a way to make more money, rush yet another project and make people pay more money than needed.
I payed 60 dollars for MvC3 which had horrible online that could have been patched but wasnt and TONS of disc locked content and no modes whatsoever. Yes I know other games do this but you cant deny the fact that MvC3 leaves out WAY more than other games. Then UMVC3 adds 6 characters you want and 6 that you dont give a s**t about. 8 new stages that are the same stages as before except daytime, even more broken lab, Snow on top. Are you kidding me? 40 dollars for this? Balance patches should be free as if Capcom doesnt have enough money they've milked they're doing it again with every franchise. The Natural disaster didnt even touch Capcom they're lying AGAIN! I payed 60 dollars for a beta and 40 dollars for the real thing. F**K Capcom
@42: Might be due this game being rushed anyway so it is to be expected that they are going to make many stupid decisions like before and the many times before this game.
SsjBizzle
You have no idea what an unfinished product is. There are games with cut content all over the place, a reduction of planned content is nothing new, they wanted to do 20 but they only had the time and budget for 12, that's just called meeting deadline not an unfinished product.
You want an unfinished product play fallout 3 out of box without a single patch, that s*** will crash on you more then a few times, dialouge will skip, and animations will be choppy or bugged and my favorite IT WON'T LOAD and sometimes will corrupt your save. That is an unfinished product especially compared to the few glitches in MVC3(infinites, people getting stuck) is nothing compared to the s*** you'll see with an actual unfinished product.
Also the 40 dollars isn't just the charaters, it's the heavy stage tweaks to old stage, some new stages, spectator as well as adjustments to previous character including giving some new specials and changing the User Interface in and out of battle
guys, Ono once mentioned that they wanted to keep series alive. Ultimate is just a way to make MvC3 much better in the game itself and balancing, if they waited for a year then they would look like they rehashed it.
for just $40 for something that wouldve been MORE expensive as DLC, is a good deal, they couldnt do ALL that to the original so this is just a cheaper price for a a bigger improvement.
anyways, i seriously cant wait to get this game!
BAP04
wait wait wait
are you forgetting capcom employees might have lost loved ones by the quake? that there were major power outages nation wide? and that there's also possible structural damages that need to be inspected for before you can even walk inside a buliding let alone work there?
there's alot more factors then "Oh it wasn't actually hit by the quake"
also you forget that there's new specials for old characters, all the stages haven't been revealed and that shield stage is pretty new stuff it's not just the same stage in day light, new UI and adjustments to the gameplay as well as the 12 characters.
Damn it!!! I don't get it. How on earth can you again and again miss the most powerful Marvel Character ever created. Yes I am talking about Martian Manhunter alias J’onn J’onzz. Come on Capcom he is the Leader of the Justice League! He is the baddest Mo-fo in the Universe and you give me a Raccoon? What the hell man :D. I want him in a DLC or in MvC4 please! I mean look at that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmObv2... he is insane.
@45: Blazblue makes a patch every other version adding new characters and even rebalancing the game thus making it into an entirely new game all together each patch, and allows you to choose the patch in which you desire to play all this for free without the need to buy an entirely new game. All you have to do is pay for characters which is entirely optional and will not effect you if you do not purchase them. Why am I paying for the same stages redone with very small improvements, spectator mode which any smart person would automatically say "hey I am not quite sure but I think we need that", Half a new roster with characers that make as much sense selection as Modak did, costumes that I should have already recieved, and content that should have been in there in the first place? And yet they can release an entirely new SF with a patch coming out soon in two forms for either the worth price of $15 or more. I call bull because that price is far from worth the content that shoudl have been there anyway.
Dr. Strange was only on Paper says the PRODUCER OF MvC3...
THAT...right there shows how unprofessional things are at Capcom.
It's a VERY good thing Marvel came in and TOLD Capcom what to do with Dr. Strange...God knows what those people would have done with him!
@Ex_Ein: Stick to what you are good at and that is speaking for yourself.
@ #43 well alot of people like all the new characters me and all my friends are very interested to see how they play im excited for all of them there is nothing wrong with trying new characters out all these characters past a present had to start somewhere and they did a great job with all the new characters in vanilla also when people say capcom doesnt listen to their fans is way wrong they just dont work for them i mean we got amaterasu, dante, vergil, nemisis, deadpool, phoenix wright, (personally i prefer zero to megaman zero is a BADA**)ect. fans got alot of what they wanted just not everything
SeriphAngel
"Blazblue makes a patch every other version adding new characters and even rebalancing the game thus making it into an entirely new game all together each patch, and allows you to choose the patch in which you desire to play all this for free without the need to buy an entirely new game."
BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift (added characters and mutliple gameplay changes you can't get with Calamtiy trigger)
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 (basically everything from Continuum shift 1 as DLC put together into one Retail package with a few things different)
Wait WHAT?
Also why should you have received costumes for free?
The characte selection dose make sense, it's called Marvel FANS people who READ MARVEL
@GamePirate420
the producers of many things don't understand the product fully
@Ex_Ein
Lol Fallout 3 is such an insanely huge game, with sooooo many different factors that no one should expect there not being glitches. They also spend yearssssss on that game. EVERYONE was surprised they are already showed a new version 4 months later. Of course they had a deadline, my point is that deadline was to make as much money as quick as possible.
Other fighting game makers would have spend years for a new version making sure they got every char they wanted and every mode they wanted to please fans.
I could go on for dayssss about what MVC3 was lacking. 80% of the thing we're getting in UMVC3 were promised in MVC3 or are not our fault and should be free. (Netcode, spectator, Balancing)
Again im getting UMVC3 im fine with it, but when someone says they are not lazy nor that they arent cash cows and that this is not a marketing strat I just go ''>_>''.
Don't you have to pay for Different Palette swaps of characters in Blazblue? Also, doesn't it cost like 7 dollars to download that one character? And isn't the character roster like more then half less then UMvC3? They added a sequel and they only added like 3 new characters? No extra costumes either? Paying for "uber" verisons of characters you can unlock in arcade mode? And you want to compare that to UMvC3? Get out of here
@57: I meant the new costumes should have been purchasable in MvC3 when they made that huge announcement about costumes. Continuum Shift is the sequel new story line and every few months they replace the game within trials and updates it. The release new characters the can be purchase but if not does not effect the game, takes the time to recreate everyones challenge modes for the new version. Yes everything from CS1 included and all done with a "free" patching and not the need to buy yet another copy of the game. MvC3 came out and not even a year a new version is released that to me is rushed. That also makes me wonder how much time they actually sat down to think about this. Maybe if we were still in the age of online was new and arcades flourished(much better times) then I could see why they would make such a decision.
SsjBizzle
Fallout 1 and 2 didn't have any of the glitches fallout 3 did,
neither did Elder Scrolls oblivion which was made by the same company using the same engine BEFORE Fallout 3.
your second point is bull as Ono himself said he personally wanted R.Mika and a few others like Karin before SF4 came out on consoles.
Also I got everything I wanted out of MVC3 that was promised (Specating wasn't, neither was a great netcode, but it was more balanced then 2) the only thing i could ask for is the return of Jin or a character like Jin and the return of warmachine.
Also as someone who says "we should get this all for free you forget capcom is a company and that it cost money to do all this .....That's what everyone forgets there are over 100 people who's probably put in over 300 work hour since UMVC3 got green lighted that's over 30,000 dollars that capcom has to spend just employing these people, the cost of recording equipment, the cost of licensing and just overall utilities and maintenance cost. 30,000 dollars is more then most people on this site make in 1 year and the've spent that on just keeping people employed.
@60: Costume colors optional, extra characters optional, take the time to unlock the "uber" strong version of the characters and you will not pay a dime, a small list of good characters over a huge list of useless characters or 13 clones seems better to me personally since I can at least hope to see quality at least. And you do not see how optional they made everything in Blazblue optional in comparison to buying things you do not want? Get out of here.
@65: Yes adding sparkles to Morrigan's soulfist must be ten times more time consuming than anything else. Time and money I will give you that but tweaks greatly surpassing anything else not so much.
here's the thing
1) UMVC3 has a balance patch which balance patches are free in most Fighting games.
2) gets Spectator mode? lmao out of all the modes this was a given it should have been included regardless. It was very possible to be implemented into MvC3. where's replay? Tournament? Team? New modes annything? even bonus stages? NOPE!
3) 12 New characters which only 6 were actually favored MOST would agree the rest suck and I dont want them but to play as the other 6 I want I HAVE to pay 40 dollars to get them lmao (they ARE interesting and unique though)
4) 8 New pallete swap stages oooooh the lab is even MORE broken and the Helicarrier is in the dayllight now and instead of the ship models flying they were shifted to sit still on the ground.. wow. Trons stage has snow and the ninjas are back! YAY!
5) New moves a few are pallet swaps but I'll give them this one
SeriphAngel
Extra costumes cost money to make, and they want to give people what they want but it's not free.
"Continuum Shift is the sequel new story line and every few months they replace the game within trials and updates it"
The storyline isn't important to the actual fighting game play, just saying because literally I know at least half the players of BB don't play it for the storyline they play because it's the new Arc System's fighter. Also MVC3 did that remember Event mode? that free system of Trails? and don't you remember the updates that changes some of the gameplay here and there?
@66: And yet here I expected people who read that would automatically know the clone reference was not merelt towards MvC3 and the number was deliberately exxaterated. I had way too much faith on that one. I agree with the character analysis I know some of my characters are useless. Merely stating choices could have been better in that aspect.
@69: I do remember updates that removed glitches and event mode was a tad half baked but it went in the right direction. I am not saying the costumes should be free. I would actually prefer the idea of unlocking them with hard work or points you have earned like the good oh days of DoA.
BAP04
1) which that part basically is free
2)Dont' care, replay isn't something I use ever and I haven't seen many casual players talk about that. Nor do I or many people like the exuction of most of those other modes in other games(team battle to me was pretty lame) and don't like the idea of turny mode especially since I win NOTHING.
3) We haven't seen seen all 12 in action, and I'd really like the know the 6 you think suck.
4)so you have a slightly valid point with 2 tron stage and lab but if you go back and look at the helicarrier stage and compare it to the other one, in the new one you are looking at the left side of the helicarrier while the original is the right side and much of the layout is different.
5)wait are you talking about Storms and Mags? because the effects are clearly different if you pay close enough attention.
A lotta pussies posting in here.
They didn't plan UMvC3 OR SSF4 at the start, they were released to answer people's demands for MORE content and game fixes. Don't act like you're not one of these people.
If nobody had bought the vanilla edition of either game, those games would be complete failures and you wouldn't be getting new content in any format at all, or new games for that matter if SF4 had flopped. Be grateful, f@ggots.
SeriphAngel
Yeah with MVC3 they found a nice way around that DOA unlocking thing that I like more. By basically having alt colors for marvel comic characters be alt costume from different versions of the character and in Hulk and She Hulks and caps along with a few others, actually someone else.
@Ex_Ein
Fallout 1,2 don't have the same 3D engine 3 had so you can't really compare. Oblivion also did have a lot of glitches actually lol. But come-on you can't compare the glitch finding process of something like Oblivion to a fighting game where the scale is so much smaller.
Also I know its a company and to do anything it costs money, BUT, thats why I said ''Its not our fault'' its their fault it didn't have a decent netcode, any fighter these days should have that period, so why do we have to pay for it? Balancing, MK9...Blazblue...Etc etc all do this for FREE without complaints and without loss of money. :/ Not to mention Spectator mode was promised.
Also @ what you said about Ono, im talking about that they already actually had 20 characters planned. It was already being worked on...but due to the short due date they had to pick and cut out 8 (Which is another 40 bucks of DLC if counted that way, which we woulda gotten as a free extra..) Ono was just WANTING something that they might not have even said yes to, the 20 were already accepted
SsjBizzle
Fallout 1 and 2 were still games SMALLER developer then the developer of 3 that had almost no problems. Oblivion did have glitches but not things like fallout 3 had. Fallout 3 to a fighting game I'm comparing FALLOUT 3 to a fighting game which still, doesn't excuse the lack of polish to an engine that A. the developers made B. the developers already used, also it doesn't excuse the fact the game was literally BROKEN at first. which was your complaint that MVC3 was a unfinished product when Fallout 3 at launch is a OBVIOUSLY Broken game that needed 3 months worth of patches just to fix some of issues.
Pretty sure MVC3 had plenty of gameplay balance changing patches like when damage on a few things were reduced/increased glitches the decrease of Sents health and etc like that. So they did have balancing for free. And spectator mode isn't really a big deal to me but hey I gues they lied
The Battle director is the person who said no to Ono however he never gave ono a reason why, it's internal politics. Also we don't know if we're going to get those 8 characters as DLC. And as I mentioned before things get cut from games all the time, there are mutliple games from all genres who have playable characters, bosses and levels of things that get cut at the last minute, if they're DLC and if we ever find out who those 8 were is up in the air.
Ex_Ein
1) No it costs $40 Vanilla received 1 patch and all it did was take out two infinite's and nerf sentinel.
2)Most people DO use replay to see what they did wrong or show their friends a match or make youtube videos without having to record live. but no other modes? just spectator? C'mon and you KNOW it should have been there and Capcom had to lie about it so you'd pay for it later
3)Okay so that was an exageratin its just Rocket Raccoon, Nova, and Hawkye. Might I also add "new Jill" sucks and nobody likes shuma gorath or how they play. Strider and Frank went shouldnt have been hard to make. Firebrand is already in the background so they just used that.
4) Ooooh wow You have convinced me thats so NEW and ULTIMATE!... no
5)Wow the effects just like how akumas shoryuken has a different affect from Ryu's? and how Taskmasters new move is already a move he has but now you can do it on command or how chun lis new move is her spinning bird kick in place. How morrigans fireball has sparkles.
Not trying to disrespect you or anything with my sarcasm but capcom really just pisses me off sometimes as a fan.
granted it sucks there were suposed to be 58 characters instead of 50 ( i almost wish they would have kept that to theirselves )but im go for it and glitches are always gonna be found when pcychotic fans that will play the game nonstop get ahold of it that will never change. but hopefully we can get those 8 as DLC
Had to double check to make sure I wasn't accidentally in Angry Joe's private forum.
@80 sounds like you are a game developer. You know how much time and money it takes to do all of these changes and such. I infact love jill AND shuma. And it isn' just 1 god damn patch. Seriously, if you don't like the game, even though Street Fighter 4 did the exact same thing and I bet you bought it up. Just stop complaining sheesh.
i have never used replay mode, or spectator mode so to me they arent really anytype of loss, fighting games back in the day had versus, arcade and that normally all me and my friends use, but i know alot of fans out there want it and as we support capcom they may dish more out if we dont then we wont get jack
BAP04
1) 3 patches man also the sent nerf one also changed a few things with other characters basically changing how you played a few characters
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ma...
2) Replay wasn't a big deal to people I know, No I don't care for it.....I'm sorry that you feel so passionately about spectator mode
3)Two of those characters haven't had their gameplay revealed, Hawkeye is pretty cool from what I've seen of him and alot of pro players don't disagree, haven't touched jill, but I love Shuma. We're not talking about the process of game development behind Firebrand, especially since him being in the background doesn't have to do with his actual gameplay.
4)but it is a different stage :P which was your complaint that it wasn't
5.if you look at the video Mags only pulls Ryu slightly closer, while Storms looks like hers actually pulls the person directly in front of her also we don't know the excat properties (Storms might actually be considered a grab or hit). Also with Task it's something you couldn't do, now on command, which is better then not being able to do it thus changing how you play Task a little. Chun same thing, since it's a new move it's a new way to approach the situation also she might be able to move during it. And of course you know how morrigans fireball can go through moves like Doom Rocks and also has it's own little animation(bats fly back to her) when you hit and drain meter.
Capcom better hopes this sell well I mean Niitsuma's right it is worth it this game looks great, but MVC3 was so not worth it I hope that big azz fail don't turn people off from getting this, it has everything that should have been in MVC3 especially spectator mode which still should be implemented as free dlc for Vanilla MVC3 for the people who will continue to play that mhmmm!
Ex_Ein
I just got back and read your post about Fallout 3. I facepalmed.
If these games were food:
Fallout 3 = Thanksgiving dinner.
MvC3 = A half eaten chickenwing.
Some people get a little to salty.UMvC3 is gonna be great, im getting it day one,i like all the new characters,we still havent seen all of them let alone play them.
Can't wait for this game to come out. Funny thing is the people complaining are still going to get the game. They wont be able to resist. Capcom wins, Marvel wins, We win.
Also if your really think about it most games don't last 6 months anyway. You beat it and your done. If your playing a madden or cod or something like that you may get a year until the next comes out. YOu may even get your wish in umvc3. Instead of paying another 40$ for super umvc3 they may just charge you 5$ per dlc. In the end they will get about 60$ instead of 40$ or you will miss out on characters. Again they win.
Ex_Ein
wow you accept the bare minimum of Capcom like its nothing.
-Cool 3 patches for free now you get 1 for 40 dollars which most fighting games get for free, spectator mode has always been included in games from the begging so im not counting these 2 as NEW features nor am I counting revamped online as this should have been corrected as well.
so 40 dollars for a FEW new moves and 12 characters some of which you dont even want and 8 stages 4 of which we know are pallete swaps this game is a rip off.
-Shadow battle was no different from VS mode on easy which TECHNICALLY was not included, Event mode sucked and wasnt very unique or fun most of the community complained about both of these sucking and requiring no resources to make.
-Pros dont run everything around me and I have heard only like 1 even say anything about hawkeye anyway.
You're one of the very few people to like shuma and you know people dont give a crap about nova or rocket raccoon which is why they were low on the DLC list if on it at all.
-You didnt respond to my thing about strider and frank west.
-No its not a new stage its the left side of the old one with the same models and everything its not new.
-Spectator mode is what MOST wanted so we could you know watch our friends play against each other stuff like that! otherwise endless mode lobbies are useless without it thats why the community wanted replay and spectator. The community/majority favors these things even admitted by capcom just b/c you and your friends dont care doesnt disprove anything.
-The moves are the same animation they just stay in place or now you can do it on command, or its a different color. its not a new move its the old move with new properties. about storm and mags heres an example of what it felt like reading your statement "Akumas tastsumaki is purple and has lightning ryus doesnt so its a new move" no its still the same move.
well, we both look at UMVC3 in different ways we have different opinions and I'll keep tabs on UMVC3 and continue to say what I think about it and I feel passionately about a lot of things in Fighting games especially about things included or not included if that makes sense.
I'll give my final opinion when its finished, but for right now I stand by everything I've said.
Your still going to buy the game. Your crying is futile.
If you care this much to embarrass yourself with all these tears then your pretty much going to buy the game. You cared so much that you created a account on a website that clearly supports capcom. Your such a "fanboy".
Wolfeyes187
tears? i'm not complaining to capcom im expressing opinions to another user. Sorry not all of us agree with everything capcom has been doing lately that doesnt mean anybodies crying Why would I be embarrassed? Do you seriously think people get embarrassed in the comment section of Event-hubs? You probably thought that because the internet and real life are basically the same thing for you. Its more about the community that plays capcom fighting games (which unlike you arent the only games i'll touch)than capcom themselves idiot but of course a fanboy like you would look at it that way. No I'm not going to just because I complain about something doesnt mean im going to buy it... wait that sentence didnt make sense did it? Think about what you've been typing dumbass.
Refer to comment #10. That's all you right there. Your so drunk off of your ignorance your opinion lacks value. If I was a moderator I would have deleted your account after reading your foolish statement about Japan and the earthquake.
Maybe Capcom did plan Ultimate ahead of time.
Maybe they did the same for SSF4AE
Maybe they did the same for RE5 Lost in NightMare
Maybe they did the same for Dead Rising Case West
Maybe they did the same for Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom
Maybe they are doing the same for SFxTekken
Maybe Maybe Maybe....
Wolfeyes187
words cant describe how worthless of a human being you are. You're trash i'm done talking to Capcom D-riders like yourself who dont even have an opinion anymore I feel like I'm talking to an employee. If you had a life I'd tell you to end it goodbye
Hey guys according to BAP04 if you play video games it isn't real life. It must be a dream or a figment of your imagination. Also capcom was resistant to the Natural Disaster in Japan. The company acted as a safe haven for the employees and their families. This was accomplished by the money they stole from you by making you buy their games.
According to BAP04 we are also all D-riders and fanboys. If you find it hard to believe go to the top of this page, and you will see a list of 7 capcom developed games. None by another company. If you do not agree with the law also known as Bap04 you may fall into the following: worthless human, idiot, a d-rider,capcom employee, a trash.
I can't believe I actually made an account to get in on this argument. By the way, before you start, I'm on Capcom's side so if you don't like what I have to say, shove it.Â
Always nice to start with a disclaimer. NOW, let's start from, not only a working class citizen but a game developing student's POV.Â
Say you are making a game. A fighting game to be exact. Sounds easy right? You have ideas, you know a bit about the characters and how they should feel but you're afraid of making them too strong and overpowering them. Blah, blah, blah, let's balance. WAIT! Before that, we need to draw out the characters. Hmm...they already have art since they're from a pre-existing series. That'll be easy then. Not quite. That have to fit the bill of the art style in the game. Ok, let's work. Hours/days later, we have a decent looking cast, all in the same art style. But wait, who do we keep? Got all these great characters, but we can't have em all because we have deadlines, that can't keep getting pushed back because the project will get cancelled and we might be out of work. Besides, we WANT this for our fans. They appreciate us, they've waited so long and the least we can do is put something close to our best foot forward for them. But we gotta please the investors too. Otherwise, no game. Hmm, let's pick these few. We didn't do so good last time but we made enough to rehire everyone at upwards of 15-45 maybe 60 bucks an hour, not to mention foley artists and voice actors, localization teams, QA and testers, etc. Some of em, we pay commission, we really gotta move. Big guys say they want this out by November...man, the pressure is tough. Pulling 16 hour shifts, 7 days a week but we gotta get this done. Hurry, make the 3D models! Not good enough, again! Cool, alright, brainstorm moves. Storyboard em. Send to the MoCap and animation teams. Somethings wrong with the models, the character keeps folding in on himself, redo the model, animations ok. Set the hitboxes, send to programming, set attack values, block stun, hit stun, health, code, debug, code, debug, code, debug. Idk if this will be ready in time but we got a working demo for fans!Â
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Damn, they say this is too strong, they want this, they hate the HUD. Too far along for major changes to visuals, fix what you can, the investors want to see more progress. Man, I miss my family but I gotta pay the bills. These 16 hour days are rough. I'm sleeping in the office, working at home, checks are nice but I can't spend anything cause we're really busy. Barely time to eat. Balance, tune, more modes they say? We can try. They wont use half the modes we put in anyway. Gotta appease the casuals, they make up 60% of sales but we really gotta appease hardcore fighters. We need their approval more than anything. They waited 10 years for the first one, and we ruined that one by trying to rush it to them, because they've been so patient, let's really do our best. Wish it coulda been all dlc, but we had some real issues over here, an the investors want to see something that'll sell. Wish they would fund the dlc but it's just not happening, they want us to drop another game, gotta do what's best for the company. But you know what? We got these stages, new themes, characters, and we might be selling at a loss because the fans hate us for not doing all this is the first place. Cant please everyone but we gotta try. NEVER GIVE UP! They made the motto, we believe in it. The fighting game genre is on the rise again. We finally got our chance. Hell, madden and CoD are doing yearly drops, they won't mind this. They're our fans, they'll understand how much work we put in and how much sleep we lose. Wait, what? They still hate us? Still gotta try. Balance, tune, test, retune, test, retune, update old characters with new assets. Etc, etc.Â
And you guys hate them? Dont but it. I will. I know how hard they worked because I work that hard, both at school and at a Chrysler plant, 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, barely seeing my kids to make cars for people who just wreck em or treat them like crap anyway. Hoping to keep my job so I can do what CapCom does for a living, knowing that their job security is contingent on these sales for people that begged for a game that they hate. Smh dicks.Â
What do you really understand about the process of making a game? How many hours they crunch? The pressure of deadlines? They gotta live up to their own standards (just them because they don't represent ALL of Capcom, just one tiny internal developer) they standards and name of CapCom as a whole, the standards and name of Marvel, and the standards of fans who hate them and every thing they do, even though they do it all for you.Â
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Sad part is, you'll read this and try to discredit everything I say, even though I do this for a living or at least I'm trying to.Â
You play it, but they LIVE it and deal with all of you naysayers and whiners and still try to appease you even though you don't deserve it. They know, aside from money, this is their art, their work, their child essentially dude, and they put it out to enjoy an entertain, not just to steal your cash. If they wanted that, they could easily release trash that you'd go buy but at least they are trying for quality, not just for them but us too. Some of you disgust me.
Even the worst games have a story behind them of some guys who tried, sometimes less than valiantly, but still failed. Maybe you should consider this because you down everything that CapCom does for it's fans.
Rant over.
Btw fellas, the stuff I mentioned, didn't include half of what really happens to give you this updated game. And yes, the stages are more than just an adjustment to lighting/assets. It takes more than a few minutes to make the changes they did.
The real reason the game is being "rushed"? UMvC3 to be released Nov, SFxT to be released Mar. Had more content been pushed for UMvC3, we'd prob have to wait til next summer for its release.
I'm kinda iffy about the whole "can't think of the sequel until the original is released/succeeds" because it's my belief that the Nitsuma 12 Donut video during Xmas was foreshadowing the number of UMvC3 characters. However, if this is true, it also means that they started development/planning before MvC3 was even released (which would prove vanilla was merely a "beta").
Another annoying thing is that MvC3 had very poor post-release support aside from patches. Arcade Event Matches and Shadow Battle fail because AIs are too easy and become dull to play after a gajillion times. As somewhat of a casual-fighter, I got fairly bored of MvC3 once I completed everything simply because the online was too infuriating to play. I sucked at countering scrub tactics (esp from lag) and got owned by people who were actually competent.
Oh yea, and I think people wanted lvl3 XFactor to be nerfed, not buffed...
Yes, MVC3 was a beta, just like SF IV was. And if it hadn't sold, we'd never be getting the finished product now. That's just the reality of how the business end of the company operates. Yeah it means you're gonna pay $100+ for a finished product, but I'll take it over the alternative of having nothing.
I like how they're telling us that this game was only possible because of the sales of MvC3 and implying that if we want more future content we have to buy this game. Totally understand why they're doing it but from the consumer's standpoint it's still ridiculous to buy the same game over and over again. I just wish I knew that before I bought all versions of SF, and not just the retail copy of Arcade Edition.
I'm going to pass on this and eventually wait for the final iteration of MvC3 since we all know its coming. I'd rather miss out on this game then pay 69.99 for the collector's edition of MvC3, 39.99 for UMvC3, and then even more money for who knows how many more versions of the same game.
So many dumb comments here, as usual people acually able to use logic are ignored...
I will say this though; Capcom could learn from this, they should have probably held this back. It would have kept the haters at bay for one. Also, Capcom could have made some more considered balance changes.
Look at the front page of EH today, two intresting new pieces of MVC tech (peekabo glitch, Mags fuzzyguard) plus there is so much buzz about viper recently. Marlin pie showed some of her potential at evo, the game really hasn't had a chance to develop and this time next year, if UMVC hadn't been rushed out I bet the last thing people would be asking for was an optic blast for viper lol.
Also added emphasis on zoning? Trying to get in on a Trish, Ghost Rider, Hawkeye team will probably make smash my stick through my TV (marvel makes me so salty). We'll see...
I am super excited about UMvC3 and the new things it'll bring :) Nemesis is not quite my visual style, but he still looks well-done. Personally, I'm anxiously awaiting Rocket Raccoon's reveal so I can see how he plays. His inclusion, along with Firebrand, was my deciding factor in buying this game. I'm just so happy to see one of my favorite comic book characters finally IN something!
On the topic of DLC versus disc-based release, I think there's one thing that no one has mentioned that I find rather surprising... convenience for the consumer. I can't tell you how nice it would have been to be able to take everything over to my friend's house to play in one disc, rather than carrying a memory unit or two to hold all the dlc, if I remembered to do that in the first place.
Also, on that end, having it all on disc is a major relief for me because of sheer memory size. I've seen several comments about BlazBlue character and features DLC, but not one of those comments talked about the SIZE of those characters. If I remember correctly, when I downloaded Platinum, that was about 800MB worth of data. Though the characters in BlazBlue are beautifully animated, I believe the rendering process for characters in MvC3 results in them being much larger in memory size. Of course, that is only a guess from what I've seen in animation classes. However, going off of that, the DLC for MvC3 would have been painful in terms of data size. Even if it were about 5GB (and I wager it would larger with everything they're adding), that's 5GB worth of data held on my machine that I would have to find someway to carry around if I wanted to take it anywhere with me. Not to mention bad internet connection or no connection at all for some people, the disc release is just so much more convenient and economical. I just don't quite understand the anger at taking the burden off of the consumer for data storage and access, especially for those of us who do want the complete package so we can play with everything ourselves.
So many clones on these forums with the same old unoriginal adhominem attacks. IE salty poor fags crybaby, Anytime someone puts how they dislike the way a company that THEY BUY PRODUCTS FROM operates some people feel some innate desire to critique that person. You need to understand a few things first everyone is not in the same situation. Some people are wealthy and some poor and some in between. Some people are older and pay rent and will purchase the game with their own money, some live with their moms and dads or parental figures and will purchase it or their parental figures will and some are young kids who will have to wait for their parental figures to buy it. So we shouldnt think are limited perspective is king. If you want to buy umvc3 or you think its a bargain cool but dont try to tell me that because I disagree that im wrong and youre right.
The reason this game is not DLC is quite simple: Most people would NOT download the majority of these characters if they had the option to buy each individually. Heck, I wouldn't! I would buy Strider and Doctor Strange and that's probably it. Marvel saddled Capcom with a load of third rate characters to plug upcoming movies. The Capcom execs made a business-savvy decision that is lousy for fans.
You're a good guy, Seth, but the fans got screwed on this one.
@105 I wont discredit anything you said because that is your struggle and I respect it. What I will say is this if I buy a television and when I bring that television home it does not work. Knowing your struggle and all you went through to make that television do not think for one second that I am not going to return that television because of it. The product is the product it has no name face no salary it is just a product and will be treated as such. This is why you couldnt go to gamestop and tell them that you wanted a life hardship discount on mvc3. The cashier said its 59.99 plus tax or 69.99 plus tax and you either paid or didnt get the game.
@Ex_Ein @79
Of course Fallout had glitches, but the game was not LACKING anything at all (At least IMO)which is the point im trying to make with MVC3. I dont care about MVC3's glitches AT ALL, i was talking about lack of CONTENT and things that just looked rushed (Not glitches...netcode..etc) I think I said in one of my posts that no game is perfect and that glitches exist, but my bad if I sounded like I cared about the glitches.
F3 IMO is the biggest game ive played on the xbox/ps3 so far when it comes to scale + the things you can do/the random things that happen at certain times/the several dozen engines that have to work together perfectly. When I think of that + that they spend YEARS on the game, I do know that they tried at least but since of the scale of the game could prob not patch them before shipping date. (they as well prob. had a due date)
(Not to mention all the patches were free..not cost 40 bucks lmao .. I kid I kid)
MVC3 has nothing more polished or better than previous fighters imo so its less forgiven for me. Never in f3 for e.g did I for example pick up a weapon and was like ''Man they were so lazy with this.'' or w/e. I remember I laughed when the Mass effect makers were attacking Bethesda saying they were the better RPG makers and I laughed (Note: I like both games a lot lol)
Fear4theHero47 much respect and I hope one day your hardwork will pay off. Appreciate your perspective.
People complained about Dr. Strange being in the game now they have to have him. Marvel is doing us justice by working with capcom to make sure characters are done right. They may have money on their minds, but at the sametime we are getting variety instead of the same game over again(mvc2.5). I want gambit, venom, megaman, son son, but I also don't mind stepping aside and learning to like someone else. How are you going to knock characters marvel choose if you didn't even see how they play yet? They did the samething with taskmaster...
Dr. Strange singing that Mike Jones "back then they didn't want me, now i'm hot they all one me".. lmao
@ 112 for those strictly arguing for DLC only, their arguments aren't logical at all. They either believe they won't be charged as much or they just don't get that it's too much content to offer up as DLC.
I don't know who's more ignorant Murderous the resident tough guy over the net or BAP04 who wouldn't be pleased with anything Capcom does...yet he cares enough to go back and forth on a news site that brings you news regarding Capcom.
80 comments later...Im probably gonna buy UMvC3 because I hae the least to complain about but see thats the problem. At least im being honest with myself.
Most of the folks hear are not being honest with themselves. They are not being responsible. They complain like customers that got ripped off but their wallet says otherwise.
Dispite the warnings, the early reviews, the developers notes. We knew what we were getting, we weren't patient enough to wait a few days or weeks to see if this game is worth our time.
"No wtf, people got it before me! Hell no, wheres the nearest walmart....mom and pop store....I know how to get it early!"
I hear people complain but if I was Capcom i'd be laughing right now because dispite the complaints I still made more than I paid to make the game. This is why I said Fail in Capcoms eyes is when the game does'nt make sales.
People here are not really buisness savvy, they don't think before they buy, plain and simple. They speak as if they only have 5 bucks in their wallet and someone is trying to take what they got and force them to play a game they don't like and that is just not true.
SOrry guys but Capcom did'nt lie to you. They told you EXACTLY what we were getting and dispite our disappointment apparently it wasn't enough to stop us from making or reservations and buying our game.
Need versus Want, I think people confuse the two here. But it's not gonna matter, you guys are just gonna buy UMvC3 anyways. Your gonna do EXACTLY what Capcom wants. Let me tell you something guys, as a friend.
...con't sorry hit the post button...
but what I wanted to say last is. I don't care how bad a game is, if sales is good, it's gonna be a success in Capcom eyes.
Complain with your wallet guys, thats all im saying, im on your side, complain with YOUR WALLET.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
DAMN, you guys REALLY like to complain about what was caused BY THE FANS. Capcom wants to make it the best experience, if its broken, not balanced, need fixing, they want to do it because it will make the fans happy but now you guys are whinning over what you caused.
I cant believe you people, just shut up and get ready to play a MUCH BETTER version of a game for a CHEAPER PRICE, because YOU GUYS whined over the problem that YOU wanted Capcom to fix.
Seth's right, adding the variety of characters mixed with Fan demand is the right way cause it brings NEW things to shake the game, Firebrand, Strider, Nemesis, Rocket Racoon, Dr.Strange, Phoenix Wright, having a different metagame gived players more unique options.
I think alot of people want DLC for the autonomy. I know i don't want all the people presented. I don't care as much for Iron Fist, Nova, or Wright. I just hope they will add more single player modes since i put the most time in that.
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
hahaha capcom has been on top of things lately..disappointing their own fans, repackaging the same game, and losing many customers like me
@thebluebomber
its people like you who make fools out of themselves.
Capcom's fans arnt dissapointed, its the overexagerating little pricks that are fooling themselves into thinking what it is thats making them overexagerating. If you dont like it, tough sh*ts, you dont have to. and saying as if YOUR a customer is just staining it.
I dont know about you guys, but i love the day stages, especially day carrier and snow cattleknox.
Most of Mvc3's stages are all dark and flash, the only day stage is new york and thats it, to me atleast the brightness shows the characters more.
@ #128/Hotdiddykong
You're*
Learn to spell. Who's the fool now? Lol. You guys should stop dreaming...
People should not be surprised by this. First of all Capcom has done this before DLC and secondly, Capcom could have been really big dicks and had UvMC3 chars and stages all be individually priced DLC and then locked people out who did not purchase any of it. This strategy leaves a bitter taste in people's mouth, but there are way worse business strategies that Capcom could have used to probably get similar amounts of revenue. The only thing I will say about it not being DLC is that if it was DLC, it would be nicer for consumers only because they could choose what/who they did or didn't want to purchase.
As long as those GODLY beginners are gone Im happy!
Entitled children.
Entitled children everywhere.
No, but seriously, folks. Nowadays especially, $40 is REALLY not that much. I make far more than twice that much a week, and my job is basically a part time, less than minimum wage deal. If it's so bad to you you're considering some boycott nonsense, either wait til the price gets slashed down, or get a job.
@133
Skeez it's not about the $40. It's about getting screwed out of $60 or in my case $70 dollars for a game that was incomplete and will be worthless by November. And I doubt the "special surprise" for Vanilla MVC3 buyers isn't going to be worth shelling $100 - $110 + tax in total.
I sold my Special Edition MVC for $13 store credit (even less if I got cash) at Gamestop last week, by the time UMVC3 comes out the vanilla MVC3 wouldn't be worth 50 cents.
BTW everyone doesn't spend or want to spend money like you either if they have more or less money than you.
40$ is the same amount of money i put in my gas tank. it's not that much just stop eating out for about a week.
@ Hotdiddykong
Believe it or not but many fans are also pissed off about paying $40 for a disc expansion..Ill tell you why
-It Includes characters that many people wouldn't pay for(which is why capcom should sell them individually and in packs of 3,4,6, and 12 bundled together)
-Includes modes like spectator mode that should have already been inside the original
-8 new stages which could also be sold as dlc(even though half of them are alternates of the old ones, which is lazy if you ask me)
-includes a full character re balance and improved net-code which could have been a free update
If this were to happen everyone who bought the original would save money..But instead capcom wants us throw our hard earned cash at them
If this is such a travesty of justice for some of you just wait out this title and purchase the even more refined version that will come out after this one. If no update was announced no further characters, no improved netcode/spectator mode. The outcry would be far louder and more apparent. For the most part consumers are getting the characters they've whined about (subjective) and a proper netcode that should have never been that bad to begin with (objective).
I'm interested in seeing what happens with SFxT/TxSF because not only should the roster be star-studded from the start but it's two different companies handling the title. If Capcom decides to pull this by purposely with-holding features that could easily be added in the first installment will Namco be compelled to do the same? This isn't as much as a problem for me because I will rent each version and install them to my hard drive. Even then I won't be compelled to "purchase" anything if the first game turns out to be the bare bones beta.
i've been told they didn't release these expansions as dlc because of the japan tsunami. weather thats a load of crap or not i don't know. all i do know is, i will definitely be getting ultimate marvel vs capcom 3, without whining about it! all i hear from MOST of you (NOT ALL OF YOU) is "i don't wanna pay 40 dollars for what should of been there already, capcoms a rip off, BLAH BLAH BLAH" (same old bull****). thats what you call tuff ****. now matter how much you moan about it, its happening. if you don't like it, don't get the game and shut up!
Skeez on August 21, 2011 at 9:17 p.m. #133 - makes a very good point
@ #138/thebluebomber
"-8 new stages which could also be sold as dlc(even though half of them are alternates of the old ones, which is lazy if you ask me)"
This is already a stupid idea. Why would you want Capcom to make you pay for stages as if the outfits and characters weren't already enough!!!!
Considering the massive amount of time you have to dedicate to a fighting game, paying more for more content makes sense more so in the fighting genre than in other types of games. They gotta earn a living and they're working to bring you more stuff. Either appreciate it or bug off.
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