GodsGarden #4, a Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition tournament, is taking place today. Many of the best players from Japan are in attendance, along with a few others, including MCZ|Daigo Umehara, Poongko, MCZ|Mago, eLive|RF and EVO 2011 winner, Fuudo. You can find more information about this event and the players participating here.
Yea its laggy a bit. Damn I sent a tip in, def thought I would get a mention lol. OH well. Lets go Sako
It straightened out. In the beginning it was lagging and all sorts of sound difficulties. Kindevu rocking that E ryu? I hope he uses alt costume, BOSS
This lag is killing me, is it a problem from USTREAM's end or Godsgarden's end. I'm from Australia, anyone in the US having lag problems?
is Itazan short for itabashi zangief? lol would make sense
You can look up the character theyre maining on the other link, and just go from there.
http://w.livedoor.jp/ocv/d/GODSGARDEN4
For people who want to keep up with results from off stream matches.
I planned to stay up the whole night watching this but the lag is so bad.
Can anyone be so kind as to post the results I missed most of it since I'm headed to work... Early shifts :(
Australia has the worst internet on Earth, it is embarrassing
does the type of browser has anything to do with the lag? I'm currently using Windows internet explorer, I can't even type properly because of this lag.
Japan time ftw!
http://uppix.net/d/d/4/081d27efabf34c...
26h30 :)
No longer laggin for me (Korea) Awesome, exact same time zone. I think kindevu is done :( was hoping to see more evil ryu. Poongko won all his matches I think
@#38 It's not your internet, it's UStream.
Try the Niconico stream, it should be a lot better:
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv6050...
You'll need to google info on how to create a free account though.
Looked at the results, holy heck there are a lot of Guy, M Bison and Yang players if I'm reading the shortened names correctly.
@42 too bad Kiryu is done he lost to players using high tier :(. Wonder who is going to finish with Mago in that block
I believe Itabashi should make it out of his block the only bad MU he has is an Akuma player.
It's not rebooting, they're having an interval. Didn't you look at the schedule they showed in between every match?
I'm streaming on eventhubs so there is no chat window.
@#41 Thanks for the website, I managed to create a normal account since premium cost money but I dont know where to go from there, looks like I have to wait in quee to be able to watch the stream?
OMG I got it lol and there is no lag, thank you so much Donchilio.
The stream is up, but some people can't watch it for some reason. There's a restream here with some japanese dudes talking over it, but it's ok http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sakurumex
These players are so skilled, I'm lost for words, these matches are on par with the evo matches if not better, learnt alot from these guys tonight.
MOV is no joke. Anybody else getting tired of the abundance of Vipers. I know shes a high execution character, but for me shes annoying to watch. Just my opinion
I thought Seth U2 is totally invincible, hmmmm.
@#65 people who complain about those three characters dont really play them or know them well enough, they require serious skill to play.
# 65 Theres plenty of yun yang and feis waiting in the real tourney. 2012 will solve that problem :)
# 69 Just because they require skill doesnt make em any less potent. Im been arguing that with seth for a while. High Execution doesnt make a character any less Powerful. You cant say " that character is not high tier, it takes skill to play them! " Player skill shouldnt be taken into account when judging how good a character is. Because when you get this deep into a quality tourney, everyone has great execution
Finalist
MCZ Daigo (YUN)
Fuudo (FEILONG)
Nemo (YAN)
MCZ TTC Tokido (AKUMA)
YHC-Mochi (DHALSIM)
TeamHori Sako (YAN)
Kazunoko (YUN)
Haitani (MAKOTO)
eLive RF (SAGAT)
Uryo (SAKURA)
Momochi(YUN)
KOK(FEILONG)
Hanamaruki(Sagat)
ItabashiZangief(Zangief)
Cabbage(C.Viper)
PoongKO (Seth)
i think people start whining about viper because, you will never see so many vipers online as yun, ryu, ken, blanka etc. because people are lazy and don't want to learn this char, it takes much time and execution. if people fight against viper online, then they loose because they don't have any experience in this matchup. so they whine about a great/fair character
@#72 besides the palm meter build which is debateable, I dont really see where they are so op, I use all three characters and seen countless pro videos, they all have strength and weaknesses of course, to be honest a fighting game cannot be completely balanced but after seeing countless matches where both players has very equal chances of winning I have to say, the three characters mentioned are pretty balanced.
# 80 I respectfully disagree, anyhow point will be moot come 2012. Im actually looking forward to it, I prefer footsies/ zoning than rushdown.
@#77 Yun is easy to play? dive kick all day? against a good zoning sagat whith good os dp, how many dp can you take? also its very hard to dive kick over fireballs unless it is right underneath it due to the angle, therefore you cant do it on reaction and neutral drop is risky as well, beside's hes hp shoulder on block which is punishble, how do you get in?
Are you kidding SSF?
How do you get it in? You just neutral jump and wait for a fireball and then bam you are in. Instantly. Yun probably has one of the easiest times getting in on Sagat than any other character.
Shoulder goes through fireballs. EX is even better. Focus attacks.
You know the same way he does for everyone else.
Yun has a bad wake up as well, sure its not as bad as rose or juri, but his dp is uncalleable, so sometime you just need to do it and gamble, fail and get punished bad, thats why you see daigo did so many wake up dp and get punished in evo.
#85 You made it sounds so easy, neutral drop? u know one of the trial for sagat is to punish neutral drop right? double high kick, ultra? like i said his fireball is fast and can vary in speed, and his dp distant can be changed with lk, high kick has 2 versions,tiger knee can also punish dive kicks, dive kick and bam you are in? not as easy man.
only hp should is useful to get around fireballs because lp and mp version are extremely short distance, but hp version has bad start up and punishble on block, coreet me if im wrong but I believe ex version is also punishable on block, his fireball is really fast, focus through it will result in another fireball that has enough dp recovery you you decide to jump.
@72
It's ironic people aren't taking into consideration player skills when they look at tier lists because they're usually compiled by the best players going best of 10.
Most people forget that tier lists don't really apply to 75% of the fighting game population.
SSF my point is Yun has it way easier than most of the cast getting in.
He has probably the best fireball avoiding moves in the game.
I mean what are you trying to get at here? Sagat isn't free for him so he isn't OP? What kind of point is that to make?
Yes it takes some doing to get in... it isn't a magic button but pick any other character and ask the same questions and it's night and day in the difference.
# 92... You're basing this all against Sagat... One of Yun's only bad matchups, If that. Majority of the cast Yun gets in faster than Donnie Brasco.
I dont deny that the three characters are strong and have some really good options but, I honestly dont see where these three are so op.
# 94 Exactly. And when Yun is in, that match turns around reaaal quick. Dhalsim is another character that is supposed to be hard to get in on, and Yun straights rapes that matchup.
My point is to say sagat has a pretty fair chance against yun, saying yun is op is saying sagat is op, and no, zangief is a pretty bad matchup as well, im not basing on sagat, its one example, all im saying they both have fair chances of wining. no one is too op to the point of unplayable.
Looks like KOK is challenlging Daigo. He wannat take the big fish in loser early. WIth the Godsgarden's rule , Daigo can decline one challenge only. We'll see
No, Saying Yun is op doesn't mean Sagat is op. That makes no sense.
The sagat yun match up has no effect on the rest of Yuns incredibly favorable ones. Even Zangief isn't that bad for Yun.
Vanilla Sagat had a tough time with Akuma but that doesn't make VSagat any more fair to the rest of the cast.
Hanamaruki challenged Sako. He accepted.
Itazan challenged Haitani. He refused.
Mochi challenged ItaZan. He accepted.
KOK challnhed Umehara. He accepted.
RF challenge Kazunoko. He accepted.
Hanamaruki challenged Tokido He accepted.
Uryo challenged Nemo. He accepted.
Momochi challenged Haitani. He must accept.
Fuudo has no choice but facing Poongko.
source: http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
Well like you said, everyone has good or bad matchups, end of story, even the so called op characters have bad matchups, and B+ has good matchups, you guys seems to talk about matchups rather than exactly why they are so op.
I don't think Yun is particularly OP, just a bit TOO good. That palm needs a slight nerf along with EX lunge. Maybe reduce his damage ever so slightly but leave the rest alone. Yang is fine as he is, again nerf something about palm for both the twins. Fei Long needs a slight damage reduction (EX flame kick anyone?) and maybe change the safeness of rekkas a little bit and nerf their hitbox.
Just buff the other characters and apply small nerfs to the above and it should be a slightly better balanced game.
Yun has equal chance against sagat, saying yun is op mean sagat is op, what makes no sense? like you said its all about matchups is it not?
#112 we are seeing the screen of the streamers computer. Its not really pertaining to your comp. Ever watch a spooky stream when he is setting up and all sorts of windows open? Same thing
@112 I think it is them that needs to change their setups to stream. I googled that Xsplit and it looks like it is used by the broadcasters. I may be wrong
# 123 I agreed. Why are you telling me that? I said 116 had faulty logic
@#114 palm meter build is debateable like I said, if they decide to nerf it thats fine with me, ex version of every's dp does huge damage not just fei's, rekka is already ok, only lp and ex version 1st and 2nd hit is safe, without meter if you even nerf his lp rekka, that means he lost true block stun chip options.
Let's stop bickering about OP and stuff and focus on this GG4. This top 16 and the challenge system is very interesting. I like the fact that KOK is challenging Daigo (daig is too humble or ahs too much pride to refuse). Kok's Fei long has been decimating a lot of Yuns lately. We shall see. Mochi,'s Dhalsim challenging Zangief. (that's a nice move, Dhalsim against Yuns and Feis would be an uphill battle)
@#123 Two bad matchups and beat everyone? Wanna talk about some details here? strong? yes. op? not a chance.
We'll see how "op" he is once he gets nerfed and everyone drops him.
Same happened with Sagat. Everyone claimed he was completely fine out of some sort of pride or fear of appearing to be a scrub. As soon as he got nerfed 95% of people dropped him and most admitted yeah... he was too good.
It'll happen again. Just wait.
#130 I agree. SSF let it go. Lets hope for some awesome matches!
@#132 who claimed sagat was fine in vanilla? everyone knew he was op to begin with, he was in the final of the 1st japan nationals for god sake,its not about sagat, its about the twins and fei? I just used sagat as an example? guess I should change my opinion on which example to use next time.
These players are so good they make button check seems like real matches lol
Nice Super by Daigo, them kicks stylin! Though that prob lost him a round earlier
jasonlee
We already got it, Yun is OP,
Viper is OP
Fei Long is OP
Ryu is OP.
And i can name more names to the list.
keyzerjose, seriously? you wanna wanna bring that up after watching that match? seriously?
Are you even watching the match? players make mistakes sometimes its natural, to say that kazunoko didnt have trouble getting in is a complete joke, did u even count how many times he got punished by dive kick attempt or jump ins?
@JasonLee
SF4 - Sagat, Ryu, Rufus
SSF4 - Guile, Chun, Bison, Honda
SSF4-AE - Fei, Yun, Yang , Viper
To be balanced, the game has to make all the char equal, the same output damage for combos, ultra, specials and super...etc, the same numbers of opportunities to land Ultra.
Will never happen.
What are you trying to say Jason? discounts everything else that happened? all im seeing is they punish each other's mistakes and they made sure they punish big, delusional? Tell me something im not seeing here?
Jason, unless you saw something that no one saw that you want to elaborate, please dont call me delusional.
You basically said above that Yun can't get in on a good Sagat.
Considering RF is basically the best Sagat in the world I'd think Yun would have had alot harder time.
But in that Kaz match he was in there the whole time. Right in striking distance. Basically no zoning at all from fireballs.
Give it a rest already.
When did I ever say Yun can't get in? I said sagat has all the options to punish Yun's attemp to get in with dive kick so you claimed so op, like I said players make mistakes, does that really mean anything?
Damn, was going for Uryo. Good @ss match. Combo vid from both
What Jason you think that match was totally in Yun's favor or something that made him op, that RF didnt stand a chance? your whole arguement is that Yun, Yang and Fei are op, wat Im saying is they are strong, but not op to the point of unplayable.
?un is easy to play? dive kick all day? against a good zoning sagat whith good os dp, how many dp can you take? also its very hard to dive kick over fireballs unless it is right underneath it due to the angle, therefore you cant do it on reaction and neutral drop is risky as well, beside's hes hp shoulder on block which is punishble, how do you get in??
That's you btw. You basically are insinuating that it's impossible to get in on Sagat and use that as a reason Yun isn't op.
Yes Sagat has moves. When Sagat does these moves he can hit his opponent. Yun will get hit by moves.
That doesn't mean Yun isn't incredibly strong and as shown in the Kaz/RF match doesn't really have a problem getting in on Sagat as you made it out to seem.
Number of People using the char in the tournament
8 - Yun, Yang
6 - Sagat
5 - Guy, Zangief, Makoto
4 - Viper, FeiLong, Ibuki,Adon
3 - Ryu, Ken, Bison, Akuma, Sakura
2 - Chun, Blanka, Abel, Hakan
1 - Seth, Juri, e.Ryu, Rose, Dan, Vega, Fuerte, Rufus, Honda, Dhalsim, Guile
0 - Oni, Dudley, Cody, DeeJay, Hawk, Gouken, Cammmy, Gen, Balrog (??)
@#190 proved me wrong, Its funny how players just jump to conclusions whithout even giving an explaination, Im wring? thats it?
OMG you guys seriously need to read more carefully, is there a word impossible in that paragraph? Is it not clear that I mean sagat has all the options? so Yun's got in on RF, so what? he made some good decisions, give him credit for it, what you think that proved that Yun is op?
Commenting in a top high level match, when i am not a top high level player, only can take to one place - opinion.
One match, two guys, two differents points of view, neither of them will be right, because, none of them are at least near that gamplay that both of them saw it.
So, the majority of the opinions here are valid, but very far from true.
People only can see what they want to see.
@#199 you are absolutely right, like I said all im seeing is two players punishing each other's mistakes nothing more, but some players refuse to see that but instead keep saying Yun is op whithout a solid reason which is why Im confused.
Jason, you based on your knowledge, if you have any, on the character in a single match? that match proved me wrong? seriously who is the brick wall here? if you spend more time learning the game instead of complaining who is op, you might made it to a godsgarden sometime
@#202 Yea jump to conclusion right away, Im really seeing a trend here, complainers are all the same.
GREAT MATCH!! Both are amazing , Fuudo is f@#$ing legit!
It was my opinion that Yun had no problem getting in on Sagat.
Then the RF Kaz match happened and that just cemented my opinion.
Then Mr Pavy agreed as well as keyzerjose. Yet you stand alone banging your head against the keyboard saying otherwise.
Yun has no trouble getting in on Sagat. That's what I'm saying.
I'm also of the opinion that Yun is too powerful and needs nerfs. The 2012 Balance is coming for a reason after all and I'm happy for that.
Take that as you will. I can't be any more clear on that and I'm pretty much done with this going no where argument.
Fuudo/Poongko match was great to be more on topic.
# 215 Amen Brother. SSF let it go, watch the matches. Theyre amazing
Jason, Im really lost for words,1, Cement your opinion base on one match, yea ok you do that, 2012 Balance is coming for a reason, yes I do agree, because of Yun right? yea sure why not/ sarcasm
Mochi challenged Tokido. He accepted.
Kazunoko challenged Sako. He refused.
Umehara challenged Fuudo. He refused.
Fuudo challenged Sako.
http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
Mochi challenged Tokido. He accepted.
Kazunoko challenged Sako. He refused.
Umehara challenged Fuudo. He refused.
Fuudo challenged Sako.
Nemo challenged Momochi. He accepted
Kazunoko has no choice but to face Umehara.
http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
Mago lost early again? ;/ I havent watched GG4 yet (Will watch the whole archives) but Mago has been losing a shizload lately, wassup with him?
Evo he didnt make top 32. Shadoloo number 13-14-ish, other tournaments eliminated before weve seen him. Etc, etc.
Not saying those numbers are not amazing, but actually for someone like Mago they aren't. Mago himself said he's top 3 in Japan for sure, and he is one of the gods and he can beat Daigo. But he keeps loosing lately
I am happy that the balance patch will come, because maybe there is a chance that some people will learn the game instead of whining and crying and also give up due to Yun has too many options, very safe, too much OP, broken etc...
MrPavy, with your latest comment, I can rest my sae, thank you.
Kazunoko and Daigo were trying their best to avoid the Yun matchup. Bad luck for them. Smart move by Fuudo to decline Daigo's challenge and take advantage of Sako's declining Kazunoko's challenge. THese challenges are like chess playing.
@People
This discussion will take nowhere, none of you are absolutely right, because Yun has options to get in and Sagat has options to avoid Yun to Get in, so.....
100 matches will not prove anything.
However, people that are saying "you are wrong", maybe they are wrong.
Opinions can create debates and discussions, but will never achieve the absolute true, unless anyone has tangible data and can prove it.
@SuperStraightFighter
Ask yourself this...why is AE being patched ? If it's not because Yun, Yang & Fei are so much better than any other character, why is it being patched, enlighten us.
Yun forces the best players in the world to mash like spastics or take terrible risks they wouldn't normally take.
Rushdown characters are balanced by the fact that they have to get in, unfortunately Yun in general gets in for free.
@232, YOu are right, you can only decline once during the challenges. When Sako declined Kaz's challenge, he didn't have ac hoice but playing whoever was gonna challenge him next. FOr KAz and Daigo, everybody had their challenges set up leaving both of them to fight each other.
@#233 I do agree with you on that, however some people just believe their own opinion on that single match and jump to conclusionw which really bothers me, these matches are really intense, and all matches in my opining are very close that anyone can take a victory, and that is good enough for me.
So, what's up with these challenges? Are they a part of the tournament or just casual?
@237 why it will be patched? have you seen the bugs and glitches? thats why? some obvious ones like maybe chun's u1 whiff? some people found yang's invincible wake up? and countless other?, maybe buff some lower tier characters? Well I dont know? You tell me why? to nerf yun, yang and fei right?
@240, they are part of the tournament. That 's how the brackets are made. It was actually an idea proposed by Daigo for Godsgarden 2 (or 3(not sure)) and implemented since.
Maybe Ono got fed up with complainers on twiter and decide to shut those up? I dont know why you tell me the_truth?
Yes Jason, games do patch themselves over time u know they are like a living entity, you know you make me sound so dumb that I dont even relise sometime.
@237
You have no point there.
For example, why 3S and other SF was not balanced before? Because they were balanced? LOL. Far from balanced.
Times are different, now it is possible to whine and capcom can do free patchs , SSF4 was only made to make money and they tried to balance the game. The same thing happened to AE.
From your point, you are automatically saying that SSF4 was not balance, which explains why AE exists.
SSF LET IT GO.. watch the matches man, theyre grreeaaaat. Yea I went Tony the Tiger on that @ss
Nemo dropping too many combos. Poor Daigo and Kaz; they were trying to avoid each other.
Yea Jason Im 12, I think game patch themselves over time, some people found a bug on Gen's bnb combo whiff on one of cody's alt costume, you know its gona patch it self. Oh and yea its not balance related right? because its still fair for gen players, Jason I really dont want to say nasty words to you but can you please think for a sec first?
@251
my point stands, i didn't call for a balance patch, i couldn't care less, but the AE "BALANCE" patch is coming for a reason & Capcom don't listen to internet crybabies or casual players.
What happened in other games is irrelevant, i said what i said, it's still ther comment 237, i didn't say anything else...move along.
You are really dumb.
I didn't mean the game magically fixes itself. I meant they don't need an entire revision to fix a few bugs. That's why I pointed out that in Vanilla they fixed a few things like Fei's Infinite. They did that with out any major overhaul of the rest of the game.
Your reading comprehension is incredibly low. Is English your first language?
Jesus.
The_truth, U said if the patch is not for Yun, Yang and Fei then what is is for? It sounds to me that you imply that the patch is for those three characters specificly, if you can't stand what you wrote, dont bend what you wrote, no one is stupid to interpret what you wrote there.
According to this there is http://w.livedoor.jp/ocv/d/GODSGARDEN4
Jason, tell me why 2012 is free,because CAPCOM are so good to us right? what makes you think 2012 is gona be a big download thats different to other patches? btw u r off topic, English is not my first language, I didnt know that was something to brag about thou.
@SSF Capcom has said its a BALANCE PATCH. Not bug fix, BALANCE PATCH. Who cares, let it go.
Nope, this is Losers right now. http://w.livedoor.jp/ocv/d/GODSGARDEN4 Has the matchups.
Poongko challenged Hanamaruki. He accepted.
RF challenged Cabbage. He accepted
Uryo challenged ItaZan. He accepted.
KOK has no choice but Haitani
http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
Also, I said nothing about it being a big download or costing money.
You said that it wasn't a balance patch and that maybe it was to fix the glitches.... even though it has been said from day 1 to be a balance patch.
Now certainly they will fix a few glitches with that patch but that's not what it is for.
The reason they are doing the balance patch is easy...
They have a timeline of products to keep hype and info in their products high at all times.
AE
3SO
Marvel
2012 Balance Patch
SFxTekken
That's why they are doing it. They really have no reason to keep on balancing it other than appeasing fans and keeping relevant to increase sales.
I think I made my arguments perfectly clear, its just that some people refuse to see it otherwise, which I do respect because everyone have their opinions, what I dont understand is why people jump to conclusions and said Im wrong or trolling whithout solid proof, which again I understand because it is difficult to do, but whining and complaining certain characters are op without giving player's credit where its due is not the way to solve the problem.
@SuperStraightFighter
I can't bend what i wrote it's still there nothing has changed, I asked you a question, you failed to answer it. I was going to write a lengthy reply but going by your track record in this very thread i know i'd be wasting my time.
For people who missed the epic battle of Fuudo and Poongko earlier,,
SSF4AE:Fuudo(Fei Long) Vs Poongko(Seth)GodsGarden#4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXlUu...
I failed to anwser it? yea I guess sarcasm are not really anwsers is it? I'll keep it short as well, 2 lines.
Jason, I think everyone is an exageration dont you think? I'm so stubborn that I might be wrong? My question is why are you so stubborn to base your opinion on one match?
@278
Guile already got nerfed. Hard. Now he needs buffs to stand up to the upper cast.
On a side note. Holding down back in this game almost feels like you're being penalized. It's stupid. Rushdown shouldn't be practically the only option in this game. Imo footsies and spacing is much more fun than rushdown all the time. It gets rather annoying at times.
I don't base my opinion on one match. I base it on countless ones. Like I said I thought that Yun got in easily on Sagat before that RF match.
That one match just helped my case while hurting yours.
If RF advances and has to face another Yun I'm pretty sure it'll play out the same way. Simply because Yun gets in pretty easily. Of all things in this thread for you to be wrong about that is the definite one.
Now finally you've drug me into another discussion about nonsense... I'm done replying to you.
Feel free to make a rebuttal but I won't be.
@258 -» The_Truth
You Said:
"@SuperStraightFighter
Ask yourself this...why is AE being patched ? If it's not because Yun, Yang & Fei are
so much better than any other character, why is it being patched, enlighten us."
Like i said, you have no point here, your buddy, at least know why this patch is being done:
"
They have a timeline of products to keep hype and info in their products high at all times.
AE
3SO
Marvel
2012 Balance Patch
SFxTekken
That's why they are doing it. They really have no reason to keep on balancing it
other than appeasing fans and keeping relevant to increase sales."
How many times do I have to say that match proved nothing, both players have the options to deny the others, yea Yun got in, he just magically has the perfect spacing? because dive kicks are so free? have you considered that Yun player made good guesses and decisions, good distant to dive kick, ambiguous dive kick or jump in mk, delay dive kick and so on? do you fail to see that?
Let's just enjoy the stream. Regarding the Sagat-Yun, here is what RF says about it (and you can check the source)
RF always said he has no trouble against Yun when he uses Sagat.
Player: RF
Titles:
SBO10 (GGXXAC) Champion
SBO10 (SF4) Champion
Q1. Sagat
Q2. I tried Fei long and Yun in the beginning, but they don’t fit my style, therefore in the end I switched back to Sagat.
Q3. Yun/Makoto
Q4. First, I need the best character “Yun” in my team. I can beat other Yuns with my Sagat. And then I need a character that can burst power, Makoto.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ma...
Great matchs so far, high level play from the best
Some intense matchs too.
haitani's makoto is so aggressive, exactly how she should be played.
At least, @ made one valid point in the Sagat-Yun debate.
This for sure, will ease the hate towards Yun...never.
Mr Pavy if you actually read my last comment I moved on to Haitani's makoto
Can't we just appreciate good gameplay (albeit I haven't seen any of it damn my job sometimes)
So far, what i really enjoying is not the debate, it is GG4,
Whey they pause, I can write, like right now.
Debates are health, unless when they take the dark road.
Yeah, they don´t care, after all, is GG4 and they want to see the new SSF4-AE God in Japan xD
Its 4:38 In Australia, I stayed up all night watching these matches.
Mochi challenged Sako. He accepted.
Uryo challenged KOK. He accepted.
Poongko challenged Nemo. He accepted
RF has no choice but Umehara.
http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
RF is very confident in the Yun matchup. We shall see. He lost earlier to Kaz in a close game despite many conflicting comments above. ALso, Daigo has trained his Yun against Mago's Sagat many times.
@SSF4_YunEdition
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong point, where in my statement was i making a point ?
" Ask yourself this...why is AE being patched ? If it's not because Yun, Yang & Fei are so much better than any other character, why is it being patched, enlighten us."
I wasn't making a point I asked the question to SuperStraightFighter so that he could put up or shut up. I can't make it any clearer than that, a 3 year old would get it....move along.
SSF is a big guessing game some time players just makes all the guesses right (Poonko perfected latif, daigo,fuudo in evo as reference), it should be very interesting to watch the matches.
@#328 yes, the problem is the twin's dive kick hit box and the ability to delay it, most dhalsim's aa's are to punish well timed jumpin which are quiet similar for most characters,(Thawk slow jump in, adon fast jump in and so on). this is a very bad matchup thou.
@SuperStraightFighter
I signed up at eventhubs just now to tell you, please shut the f*** up! You keep arguing with people when they already explained to you why your logic was idiotic.
You are being faulty with YOUR OWN LOGIC yet you keep arguing on to make yourself feel better. People explained, you just ignore simple logic stated (by various ppl) and keep arguing on. All you need to know is, you are an idiot, you don't understand simple logic so there's no point in posting anything. So just STFU and stop wasting everybody's time.
I am so sick of having to read your F***ING IDIOTIC arguments over and over and over again. STOP REPLYING TO PEOPLE'S POSTS!!!!!! So want to punch you in the face as I've never seen such an idiot that don't understand sh!t and yet keeps on trying to prove himself right.
Let me say this again in case you didn't catch it, SHUT UP!!!!
@#332 seriously how old are you? you can prove me wrong by making an argument and back it up, what did i sai to offend you? you dont have to read these comments, r u seriously that retarded?
Uryo vs KOK: nice comeback. But I'm not sure if the health deficit was big enough for LiangHuBBB to pick up on it.
anyway I already stopped arguing with the people that I first got an argument with, so why do you bring it up all of a sudden? do you really need someone's attention to know you exist?
Poongko was smart in choosing to play against Nemo over Daigo as he wasted Daigo'smatchup inexperience with Seth by playing 30 games. (Daigo28-Poongko-8) It would be nice for Poongko to advance;that'll create some hype as he is the only foreigner left in this GG4
That was a close one. Probably the best game so far (for me)
@the_truth
That was exactly what i told you, you had no point there, you just tried to make a twist with you last comment, but this won´t work. Try to not start insults.
I guess this will calm all this talk about Sagat not being able to beat Yun
crazy matches, I failed to see these so called free dive kicks thou.
I think what RF did proved my point, and i am not putting SSF on this, but:
I told you, RF just lost to #2 Yun, to win # Yun.
There is no absolute true, just learn to play the game, whining will not level up your skills.
@357
What the hell. Didn't the top pros agree that Sagat vs Yun is like 6-4 in Dagat's favor???
And people saying that Sagat vs Yun being 6-4 in Sagat's favor happened a long while back. Why are people still saying that Sagat "cannot" beat Yun?
Im not gona base my opinion on one game, but from what I can see, I did'nt see any free dive kicks and everyone has fair chance of winning.
Jason, Yun cannot get in on Sagat 'easily', see the keyword? he has the options but not easily ok? you failed to see the big punish dp fadc hk u1?
YAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Poo-Ko lost!!!!
BTW, the reaction on the "Machine's" face when he lost was F-CKIN priceless. Machines are not supposed to cry like that when they lose.
Tokido might have a shot if the Yuns get eliminated
SAKURA WILL BE NERFED xD
Great show from Uryo, proving that some low tiers char can go far (in this case she became A tier in popular Japan opinion or B+), which is what Poongko already shows in every tourney he atttendw with his seth.
@383
Yeah, i am real. The thing is: every argument have a weak spot, is not hard to find, mostly when a argument is based from a opinion, is very easy to find.
maybe we should call RF the twins killer from now on.
exactly, big punish for dive in mistakes, because anywhere above waist is not true block stun.
@ 388
That would fit , because Sagat is not a bad matchup for the twins. I think daigo was sleepy, this will explain how he lost a match that clearly was in his favor xD
WE need to see Fuudo vs Tokido.
Tokido usually outplays Mago because Tokido out-footsies him. But we'll need to see how he does against the better footsie Fei, Fuudo.
TOkido is happy, he ain't gotta fight the twins. TOkid plays well against Fei Long
@#393 yes, because everyone is an owl except daigo
@395
I sort of agree, but Yun definately has a harder time than Yang when fighting The King.
It's more like Sagat vs Yang is 5-5. While Sagat vs Yun is 6-4 in Sagat favor.
Sagat has excellent tools to deal with both the Twins Dive-kicks, but what gives him an easier match against Yun is that Yun's footsies/groundgame is horrible.
#401 yes, thats why you see all daigo can do on the ground is st.hk most of the time to punish.
Everything is going as scripted for Tokido so far. He has yet to face Yun in this tourney.
Tokido vs Fuudo get HYPED!!!
@397, yes but remember, Fuudo has been doing better than Mago at footsies. So we'll have to see how Tokido fares here.
5 Yun´s and 6 Yang, none of them was able to survive the qualifier´s and make top 16, this is strange.....
Fuudo challenged Kazunoko. He refused.
Momochi challenged Kazunoko.
Tokido has no choice but Fuudo.
http://beastnote.blogspot.com/
akuma, fei should be 5-5 if I remembered correctly, should be interesting
You have a very good point, stream3. It seems that most of the Yun players already mastered using him the same way. The differences is that Daigo drop less combos than others. Daigo Ryu is really uniqued compare to other Ryu players like Alex Valle and Air not saying that they suck of course.
@293 u kidding. footzies is a game for pussies, and guile has tons of matchup in his favour. are you that nooby?
they should nerf his crouch fierce, give it a slow start up. take away his air grab, and for fcuk sakes minus startup recovery on his booms.
sagat is another boring mofo, nerf that mutt down, decrease some time on his fireballs,that way other characters can get to him easier.
if you guys want balance? how bout everyone have the same health and stun and damage output, that right there would be balance. now STFU scrubs and learn how to play the game.
oh and btw AE is the most balanced version out
FFFUUUUDDDDOOOOO!!!!
Master of Fei Long's footsies/pokes.
a punish after that failed ex flame kick could lead to dizzy....
demon is risky when he has a stun advantage...
funny that last round wasn't even footsies more who mashes faster.
Tokido got his wish again.
Tokido challenged RF. He refused.
RF challenged Kazunoko. He refused.
Uryo challenged Kazunoko
Tokido has no choice but RF
WHERE IS THE STREAM? PEOPLE ADVANCES IN THE BRACKET BUT I CAN'T SEE ANY STREAM. HOW TO STREAM?
Fuudo wished for an auto correct ex kick, Tokido read it but demon came a bit early.
Is there a chance that Fuudo will take this tournament home as well????
Does anyone else think that that Fuudo might win it again?
he could have gone for demon after that first regular flame kick why didn't he.
uryo is insane, 1 mistake and he punishes big.
@Jason. i know footsies and all but if someone resorts to that i call him chicken, coward, barrier hore. if you watch poongko. that right there my friend is entertainment. i jst replied back tothat douche because he thinks guile needs buffs. guile dosent deserve buffs
@431 431
Yes, a lot of people have the same problem. You can only wait and refresh...and hope...or watch this restream (not that great...but better than nothing):
damn he got kind of cheated there even though he still won.
I was rooting for Uryo since the begining, i wanted him to place at least 3rd.
Sakura owns Yun xD
Learn the matchup and everything is possible. Uryo challenged Yun knowing he knew how to beat the character. The top 2 Yuns are out.
yeah and that's why poongko lost being "entertaining" doesn't always win.
Alright Uryo
Poor Kazunoko. After beating Daigo, he lost to Momochi and Uyro. Just like that, he's out.
I know right, Yun's are so op, what happened?
5 Yun from the qualifiers didn´t enter top 16, then 3 Yun invited didn´t make top 4, nice :)
sorry, 2 Yun´s didn´t made top 4, Momochi is alive
GodsGarden: The only place where a schoolgirl can defeat a demon-posessed warrior.
URYO FTMFW!!
Damn Tokido was eliminated. I guess I have to root for Uyro and Momochi.
There's gonna be some exhibition after the tourney.
My impression, or this GG4 matches seems better then EVO?
SAKURA !!!!!!!!!
Congrulations for Uryo, great display of skills, i am satisfied.
If Uryo wins I'll stay up another 10hrs to train my sakura.
@#486 You know people complained about Fei as well, not just the twins right?
@#487 10 straight hours here, almost 11hrs
Hm the results are crazy.
I knew Momochi was as good or better than Daigo when it comes to Yun though, Evo is all about having luck with the brackets.
It sucks Daigo doesnt seem as solid with Yun, probably cause hes very offense orriented and if you mess-up you deadz. ;/
Surprised Uryo as Sakura is in losers o_O thats crazy,. And Tokido being higher than Daigo + Mago
Someone already posted this: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sakurumex
Its the GG4 Stream, streamed...better than not watching ;)
for Everyone who can't see the stream, i am from europe too, watch the sakurumex stream, the link is above (comment #54)
greetz (ﾉ゜□゜)ﾉ ~┻━┻
Damn I really wanted to follow this from the beginning ><. Crazy high level play + the execution of japan is yeyey.
TBH Expected to see more variety in the top 8 but w.e :( man really wished I followed this from the beginning, now I peaked at the results. Im gonna watch the whole archive when its over.
Has as many replies as Evo had when it was streamign lol.
Oh and I knew Momochi was champion quality, he didnt make it out of evo cause of bad matches :9
they don't punish Fuudo's backdashes enough so many opportunities.
Holy-sh-t. There's now a very real chance that Fuudo might actually take this.
@#520 maybe 1p or 2p player, some feel comfortable on the left or right side?
Let's Go Fuudo, or should I call him Huudo. Haha.
@522
Actually, Uryo could've taken it if he didn't keep screwing up his pressures.
The match between Momochi and Uryo just shows how bad Yun's defense and wak-up games are. Momochi looked pretty helpless when he was under Uryo's pressure. Most of the times when he got out of Uryo's high pressure game was when Uryo messed up.
Uryo's Sakura reminds me of Mizoteru's Blanka who made third place at Godsgarden#1. Both characters were the underdogs and they always made great matches. Good stuff Uryo:)
yea like I said Yun has a bad wake up, sometime you just gota do dp weather it fail or not.
fruudo baggins wins again! i love it.. seem like he had to work so hard againts yuns.. uryo too.. sucks.. once they get rebalanced nobody should have to struggle..
Hahahaha.
Fuudo wins another HUGE tournament once again.
So much for all the American scrubs calling out Fuudo as a "lesser" Japanese.
@ 530
He messed it up because it's pretty damned hard and scary. If his character was better/easier, he'd have won. Contrary to popular belief, top players DO get hindered by move, link and general gameplan difficulty.
Fuudo is becoming more and more annoying as I see him play. Uryo was the true winner of this tournament. His Sakura is at the top of what Sakura is capable of. He looks like he's getting -1 frame links or something. I wonder if he's ever going to go back to Viper.
@#539, u r still on and picking on my comment lol? thats just sad...
Congrats to Fuudo. Proving himself yet again. Much respect to him.
Wanted to see Tokido place higher, but he had a good showing nonetheless. Same for Uryo; his Sakura is frightening.
I can't wait till 2012 either: just to see what character people are gonna complain about next.
Mago&Daigo are exposed as BOOSTERS!!!!!
Hawwy Potter strikes again...
Yun Fei final
God I hate AE
Archive the top 16 please. I woke up just now to see only the last round of the grand finals :(
@548
Are you serious??? When Fuudo won Evo-2K11, there have been very large number of online comments calling him out as being a "lesser" Japanese player. Saying that he's on a lower level than Daigo, Tokido, Mago, and Momochi.
People also try to degrade Fuudo's Evo-2k11 victory by saying that he was "lucky" and he was able to avoid all the match ups that wou'd have been hard for him.
There were many people saying that Tokido would have "raped" his Fei Long had they met at Evo. People also said that Fuudo was "very lucky" that he got Poongko with a fully-animation Ultra-1.
My main point is that there have been many people saying that Fuudo "did not deserve to win Evo" because they felt that Fuudo was of a "lower skill level" than players such as Diago, Tokido, Mago, Momochi, and Poongko, etc...
Good night people, Im tired, btw @JustSTFU, how about make an argument for the point u r trying to get across? so far you just straight insulted me, I dont even what your opinions are?
@ #561
WTF?! People were saying that about his full Ultra 1s on Poongko?
Fuudo clearly punished whiffed moves and backdashes with them. Anything else is the game's fault for having such a backwards comeback mechanic.
SuperStraightFighter stop spamming so many dumb ass comments u f*cking idiot. Can't avoid them if I want to read comments but you just never shut up. Stop being such a f*cking douchebag prick cuz it's f*cking annoying when the full comment section is full of your idiotic sh!t.
@# 571, see what I mean, why are you so mad and salty?
@#571 I never insulted you with personal attacks, but you came here, made an account just to insult me with your first comment? how immature can you really get?
There is a poll at the end, 78,7% voted 1.
@ #570
Different guy, and I'm not trying to defend him but "The Beast" just hasn't been much of a beast at his recent major appearances. He still does very well, but he hasn't been in his usual top spots that we usually see. His performance has just been sub par compared to the super stellar rapetrain we're used to. Many are calling him free because of that.
My two cents.
For people who missed the Grand Finals i uploaded the video.
SSF4AE::Fuudo(FeiLong vs Momochi(Yun)GodsGarden4 Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN7jm...
@578
Yeah...
Players frustrated at AE balance changes will find a lot to love in 3SOE
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@582: By no means was I implying that 3S is a better game, or more balanced (lolno). It was a pun on the original SF3's subtitle, "New Generation". That's all. AE is a game of 39 characters. For that many characters, its balance is something legendary I'll be telling my grandkids about.
@585
I was thinking 'did he say new generation on purpose?' but I assumed you were a noob, I apologize sir ^_^
@586:
Invitational spots are not uncommon in tournaments. Even in Udon's SF2 comic, Balrog said to Ryu "you won the last tournament so you don't have to bother with qualifiers; your spot in the last 16 is reserved". I imagine the current reigning champions of Evo, SBO, last year's GodsGarden etc were all given spots. Consider them the "final bosses", like the 4 bosses of SF2 who always waited at the top.
@587:
Was it? I don't remember the likes of T. Hawk, Hakan or Juri doing any better in SSF4 than they do in AE.
@FADCTAUNT: "people complaining about AE so much are a joke, look at the top 15 of this tournament and compare it to 3S. I guarantee you 3S will consist of the same 3 characters 90% of the time with the odd Dudley and Makoto in the mix."
So just because something isn't as bad as the unsuccessful SFIII means no one can claim there's room for improvement? This argument would make sense if everyone in the world agreed that SFIII had been as good as it gets...but your own statement is dependent on the fact that this is not the case. So don't be surprised if people continue to notice problems and point them out.
@587
Super is not "more balanced" than AE. In SSF4, Guile's sonic-boom spam game was the worst ever. Not to mention Cammy's broken TKCS game, way worse than Yun's divekicks.
Also back in Super, the gap between the lower-tiered and upper-tiered characters was much worse than it is in AE.
In Super, you won't see characters like Cody, Guy, Hakan, Dan, T.Hawk, and Makoto tearing things up. Back in super, those 6 characters did not stand a chance against Guile, E.Honda, or Dictator. But those 6 characters do have a good chance of winning against Yun, Yang, and Fei Long in AE.
Uryo was awesome; 1F links ftw, but lets not pretend Sakura is anything other than top tier in AE.
Those tatsu frame traps are some of the cheapest sh!t thats ever been allowed into a SF game and I should know, I use it all the time :P
I love this. Fei Long, Yun, Yang, Sagat, Dhalsim. Ok... makes sense...
-looks at 3rd place-
3. Uryo (Sakura)
Oh ****! Go Uryo!
Another person who proves that tier lists do not mean anything!
Rafael2487 (#581) Thanks for the quick upload.
The event was "offline" everytime I checked so I didn't see any of it.
And you wonder why there's no Sakura in EVO. Sakura is mid-tier, mid-high at it's best. She has almost no matchup that's in her favor against the rest of the cast. All you seen tonight on Godsgarden is hundreds of hours of practice and work put together well executed by Uryo.
@603 There were no Sakura's because she not a popular character. Doesn't mean she isn't up there on the tier lists. Honda was top tier in Super, but you didn't see a bunch of them in the tournaments.
Not discrediting the awesomeness of Uryo, but Sakura is a good character in AE.
I play sakura at a decently high level myself in asia on XBOX (PP3200+) and trust me I know where she sits on the tier list. People who never played her and judge her only by watching stream does not know how hard it is to play like that. There's one thing I could tell you is that akuma vs sakura match up is almost as bad as gief vs sim. Uryo made it all seem easy, but that doesn't mean that match up is in her favor, it only explains how good Uryo really is.
You know what I love? That by the time we've played enough AE to start having a sense of who places where in the tiers, Capcom will release Ver 2012 and we'll have to figure it out all over again. Sometimes I think Capcom really DO know what they're doing.
@607
If you truly know Sakura dude, that Akuma anology is a pretty dumb thing to bring up. If you catch Akuma in any of her 50/50 resets you take 70% health and get a GUARUNTEED stun.
I don't even know why you would mention the Akuma matchup, lol.
OK the resets aren't as effective at high level but Sakura is a beast in AE, this was known months ago when the first AE tech was coming out of Japan
@#604
agreed, if people dont like the character they wont pick em regardless of tier placement. Select few used honda/rufus/chun li/cammy/seth/viper and they was all relatively good in super yet wasnt alot of users willing to stick with them.
@#603 Not to take anything away from Uryo but everyone else put in time just like he did to get far. If she mid-high she isnt gonna have all balanced match ups as you make it seem. Shes gonna have advantages if shes that high up, Everyone does.
I'm surprised nobody watched Uryo take on Mago in the God's Garden finals a few years back. Everyone talks about how great Latif and Krone are, and they are without a doubt, be Uryo was doing all of that in Vanilla.
It's nice to see him getting some recognition after all this time, but apparently you won't see him too often because he's in Osaka while most of the big names play in Tokyo.
@612
Surprising enough, they dont know that Uryo was NOT the original Viper. That title would go to Joe. If that guy was still playing to this day, he would probably destroy Uryo.
btw wheres Mago on the list?
Double-checked, yes he definitely was, he was in Group A with Poongko.
@ 607
You don't know sh*t, and PP mean nothing.
Good Sakuras already considered that matchup close to even in Super, go search SRK. Akuma was essentially untouched (actually slightly nerfed) in AE, while Sakura received okay buffs. Also, her hitbox was changed so that Gouki's 2nd hit of st.HK would whiff, and that hurt him in the footsies department.
Sure you don't make tier lists, top players, like Uryo, do.
Im just happy these matches proved that whiners like JasonLee and MrPavy made a complete fool of themselves tonight, oh the twins and fei are so op, blah blah blah.
Jason, do you want me to remind you? comment #215 for example, and Mr Pavy(comment #220) if you are like Jason Here reading the comments, want to maybe apologise for saying rubbish like that to me?
You called me delusional, a brick wall and pathetic, the two twins matchup after kaz vs Rf match just crumbled your so called 'cemented' opinion, and you seem pretty silent after that, and Mr Pavy and this JustSTFU guy has to be riders that dont even have their own opinion and believe everything you said, seriously I pity your knowledge on the game and these raiders.
@Mr Pavy(comment #77), do you see these so called 'palm target combo and free dive kicks spam without a care in the world' in these matches? You know your comment #220 is the absolute definition of what a rider/scrub is, after seeing these high level play, all you came up with is 'Yun is all over Sagat' lol? you are the type of person that the SF community need least, and you know what Jason (reffering to comment #215) I'm glad to be alone so I dont get mixed with the likes of you people.
@624
hahaha. Of course there's a lot of STRONG Nationalistic bias in favor of Guile if you're going to ask American players about who is OP or not.
Matter of fact, that's what I've been saying for over 3 months now.
Obviously, the real truth behind why so many American players want Guile to be buffed back to his extremely OP SSF4-status is because of the fact that his character represents the American soldier.
You have to be naive to think for one second that there is no Nationalistic bias in favor of Guile being the American soldier.
@#618 uh yeah I'm pretty sure experience means nothing at all. I could tell that you don't even play sakura by looking at your comment, I'm speechless. If you are to brag about tier list and whatnot, you should read the japanese forums, oh well I guess SRK has the best sakura in the world anyway.
@ Catalyst why is # 624 allowed to post?" f@g guile" " american scum" Just a bunch of racist stuff over and over about Americans. Fireinthehole is not far behind, but at least he isn't so blatant about it and tries to make a case. Over.And Over. And Over.
WHO CARES. We get it bigfellr, you dont like zoning and or foosies. Go play MK.
Fireinthehole if I didnt know better I would think you made the bigfellr account just to have someone backing your case up, and you made him sound like a retard so no one would confuse him with you.
Anyhow I'm done with this.
hmm maybe you missed JustSTFU's comment? #332, 539, and 571. nothing but straight insults, salty rider.
Sorry to break with the character balance discussion, but I just finished watching the replays since I had stuff to do half way through watching it live. One of the best if not the best tournments i'v seen in terms of the quality of matches from start to finish. My favorites were Itabashi vs Uryo and Poongko vs Nemo. Congrats to fuudo on back to back majors.
Another tournament, another conclusion, many people calling Fei, Yun and Yang OP withotu reason, unless the fact that they do not know the game well, and are crying for their char (ryu, rog, gief buff´s) and their hate only means also that they don´t have a clue how to defeat the twins. What GG4, maybe any of you learn something.
5 Yun´s and 6 Yang´s and 2 Fei from the qualifier´s didn´t make it to top 16. If these char´s were OP, and with the Japanase high level skill that were attending, it would be clear like water that the twins and Fei are OP, nobody would stand a chance, and the games would be unfair, however, that was not what was on the stream.
88 participants, 8 Yun´s, 8 Yang´s, i mean, they had the most chance to win the tourney, since the only char with 6 players using was sagat.
Harry Fei Potter again proving that skills is what make a champ, not his Fei in particular.
See what you want, cry, whine, make a patch, it won´t solve the situation, because any of you hater´s will never attend GG or EVO because our best skills is to hate, cry and whine.
Would be glad to accept that the twins are OP, if only one guy choose one of them and make it to the top 1....kidding, this does not prove anything, if proved, seth Poongko would be OP.
Learn to play the game.
Would you accept a virgin opinion or a experienced opinion, i mean, none of us are at the level of the players attending GG4, howerver, we feel free to give our opinion, but some people feel free to make their point like the absolute true about Fei, Yun ad Yang being OP, but this time, again, they failed. Don´t worry, Capcom watched EVO and GG4, they know what they need to change, shortly they will give you anohter group of S tiers chars.
its so f"@kin stupid how people cry after every tournament about characters. first they cry about yun yang, then feilong (tbh i play since sf4 and no one used feilong, in ssfiv i saw noone was playing feilong until mago started), never cried about viper until they saw 2-3 vipers in top 8 in a tournament, and now reading this comment, you f@€kin start crying about sakura?! wow try playin this characters before you write this sh!t. i'm sick of "wow i / poongko lost to that char, this char is op, nerf him" guyys
unfortunately, the current SF community is made up of arrogant scrubs (JasonLee) who pretend to know the game really well and riders (Mr Pavy, JustSTFU) who doesnt have their own opinion and follows scrubs, I am ok with all these but if CAPCOM decided to listen to these whiners who complain about op characters all day, then it will have an effect on everyone who loves the game dearly in the community.
@625 I swear your stupidity knows no bounds especially when you were whining that Daigo got screwed over with the whole giving advice thing pathetic.
Most people hate this version of the game just ask Sabin.
And thanks ESTAKA (#629)
I looked up that Itabashi - Uryo match, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NLD2y... ) and it was awesome. I always enjoy watching great Sakura players. Ultra 2 on reaction, twice. Crazy!
Is the Sakura - Zangief matchup still considered a terrible one for Sakura, in AE?
@614 "akuma is immune to resets cos he can teleport out of them...a lot of other characters are too"
Jesus Christ did you just say that?!?!?
Protip: All characters in the game are 'immune' to resets, THATS WHY ITS CALLED A RESET AND NOT A 50 HIT 100% STUN COMBO YOU ABSOLUTE TARD!!!!
For the sake of retaining my fath in humanity I'm guna assume you are bokosaki's alt account (PP3200+ LMFAO) cuz I refuse to believe there are two people posting here with such a slender grasp of the basic mechanics and matchups of this game.
@NowUhavetoJoinMyDojo
What else could Zangief have done in the corner? Uryo tried that same set up against Yun, and he dive-kicked over it.
Dhalsim players are most vocal about needing a re-balance, as it appears they have little chance at winning. They had little chance against Seth, but few people played Seth. The apparent problem is that more than a handful of people are playing the twins, so they will have an uphill battle.
@613 duckmouth
LOL...just...LOL! You made my day!
Spot-on...the korean supervillain! LOL
@629 ESTAKA
Yeah, same here. Probably my favorite tournament! And I agree...Poongko vs Nemo was absoluetly amazing (one of the hypest matches I'v ever seen), so was Poongko vs Fuudo, Itabashi vs Uryo, Tokido vs Fuudo, Tokido vs RF ...oh god, too many to name!
Awesome results...Hope there's more high level tournies like this coming up
@633
I agree completely with you man. I don't know how the producers at Capcom are, but the mods at eventhubs and SRK forums sections seem to be biased in favor of the crybabies, but they will close threads that argue an opposing viewpoint.
BTW, SuperStrarightFighter, do you know of any place which will let people open up a thread conveying the same point of view that we have???
I've tried to start up three thread which has the same point of you as you and I, but the mods keep locking them up:
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?...
@SSF4_YunEdition, I agree with you as well.
It's clearly obvious that A LOT of the more scrubbish players are biased in terms of what characters they want to nerf and who they don't want to nerf.
stream is very laggy ;_;