Mentioned by Tylerox9.
what do you want for Ryu? Seriously, he is good enough on his own. I don't think there is much changes they could make to Ryu to make him better or worse that won't piss off somebody.
More importantly.....GIVE ME BACK MY c.STRONG STRENGTH WITH CLAW!
Even Marvel thinks its a good idea to bring Rocket Racoon, not only for nostalgia but for interesting gameplay, something this game is good at but underrated for with people B***hing about it.
Again, your not a true Marvel fan if you dont know who he is.
@2 +1
@3 Ryu was fine in Super it's the Daigo effect.
Really Gief was that dangerous he needed nerfs :-/ interesting that almost non of those that were "top tier" in Super really dominated anything in tourney play.
Amen @3
I'm gonna say this again, PEOPLE, please don't judge a character that we haven't seen in action yet. I know there are hardcore MvC2 fans that would have liked to have seen Gambit and Cable or Jin and Megaman in UMvC3 but, I wouldn't give up on them yet. Just wait then speak your opinion. I should know, I stated when he was announced that I'd never use MODOK, but he remains to be my main to this day.
Well atleast I wont have to worry about playing mirror matches. Rocket Racoon is going to be awesome. Just like #8 said I was mad about MODOK and now he is a part of my team. Capcom has made each character in mvc3 usable it just depends on how much time you are willing to spend on learning the character and playing to their strenghts. Btw Hawkeye is going to be a beast.
#15 Amen dude I am so happy that fans don't choose the roster or design the games. I have a friend who cherishes She-Hulk not just in MVC3 but in the comics as well and he plays pretty well with her. Listen people just because a character you wanted isn't in the game its no reason to bash it. I love Venom he is easily my favorite Marvel villian I played him in MVC2 but I'm not mad he isn't in the game I really am not mad. I think you guys really need to cool it and give these characters like Rocket Raccoon a chance I can't wait to see if he ends up being top tier and all of you who bash him eat you words.
The only reason people pick she-hulk is because of how cheap she can be when paired with the right assist.
@Rruhrrud
Lame/boring character designs and useable characters are two different topics.
If you had a brain, you would have realized that i was criticizing the look of the character and not the non-existing move-set.
My theory is that since he looks facken stupid he's gonna be facken cheap.
@ 24
Like MODOK or Hsien Ko, right?
-Assumptions should be kept to yourself until they make sense!
Alright, I'M ONLY GONNA EXPLAIN THIS ONCE.
The reason why rocket raccoon in the game is because the next Marvel comic book event after Fear Itself is a Marvel Earth vs Marvel Cosmic event. Guess who is in space and on a cosmic galaxy team called Guardians of the Galaxy? Rocket Raccoon. 2nd guess what Marvel movie is in script production right now with Doctor Strange (also in UMvC3) just finished ... Guardians of the Galaxy. Like, I explained before RR is on that roster.
TLDR - RR is in the next comic book event and has a movie going to be made with him
The way the headline is worded makes it sound like they really do pick and choose who the top-tier characters are essentially at random.
Hopefully Viper doesn't get hit to hard due to the "Latif/Wolfkrone effect"
@EVERY ROCKET RACCOON FAN
I've said this before he is lane as a character. He is a talking raccoon who shoots guns. Sounds like something Peter griffin would make up! And the ONLY reasons he will be picked is if he is top tier! Simple as that! I have a feeling that's what capcom has done so when you play you will be like holy SH!t this guy is good and think capcom made a great choice. But in all honesty majority won't play him If he is mid tier. Majority never wanted him is where the problem is. An MARK MY WORDS IF THE ROCKET RACCOON IS TOP TIER IT'S A PLAN TO MAKE YOU GUYS THINK HE WAS A GREAT ADDITION JUST LIKE MOST TOP TIER CHARACTERS!!!!!!
"what? daigo dropped ryu? oh ryu's ass now! ryu needs buffs capcom! he's unplayable!!" gimme a fukin break! stay free ryu scrubs. none of the chars that got nerfed from super to ae needs buffs,they're fine as they are.some are better even (cammy).only chars that needs buffs are the low tiers (fuerte,hakan,T.hawk,maybe give gen ex oga back) and a few nerfs to the top 2 (yun-ex lunge,palm,shoulder,fei-rekkas,dmg).i'd say viper too but what can u do really? most that can be done is a stun reduction and even that doesn't seem too necessary. I guess she's fine as is.
Personally i'd rather they buff the B and C tier characters rather than nerf anybody. It'll make the gameplay a bit faster overall. It's funny how when you see a 3 minute SF4 video it's usually a very fast, one-sided thrashing, but 3 minutes in ST can be a first to two gone back and forth, or in Evo2011 a first to 5 already.
Oh and Ryu needs his foot back lol. For some reason Ono decided to amputate him up to the ankle in AE.
#31
If you think a talking raccoon with guns is lame, then you are clearly the victim of several amateur lobotomies.
Wild assumptions cause he's a talking racoon with guns?
Really?
A little chick who fights in a robot shooting little robots at you..
A demon succubus who makes a copy of herself..
A supernatural human who teleports and can throw a missle at you...
a karate guy who fights barefoot and throws sprit-farts at you...
And now a LAWYER?! ...Wait, I dont mean She-hulk. The OTHER lawyer dude.
I reserve my JUDGMENT TILL I SEE HOW HE PLAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i really dont like nerfs and dont call for too many but viper's flame kick has to be nerfed. its too safe on block and its too spammable. ive seen krone and latif win high lvl matches with the flame kick alone and its too hard to see the crossup coming. nerf flame kick...that is all
#39
Viper is not the only character with ambiguous cross-ups... Nobody would be calling for viper nerfs if it weren't for Latif and Wolfkrone getting in Evo top 8. Keep in mind that they have been maining her since vanilla and they have great execution.
Nerfing viper too much takes away the reward from mastering a high execution, high risk character
Apparently Rocket Raccoon will have a play style similar to how Cable played. Maybe some sort of Viper Beam too, because he seems to be packing a lot of heat.
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Honestly, do all the characters of the game have to be popular choices? We know how Gambit, Venom or even X/Other Megamans would play, why not try something new? Holy sh*t.
I'm going to put my faith into Capcom hoping that the new twelve will be fun, regardless of where they match up in "tiers". I enjoy messing around online with Joe and Hsien-Ko gimmicky set ups online. They're fun; that's why I bought the game.
At the end of the day, wait until we actually see gameplay and try out the characters before we judge them. I mean, we haven't even seen any gameplay for eight of them yet yet. Goddamn.
why the hell would they nerf viper? she fine, and has been more or less the same since sf4 came out in 2008. LEAVE HER ALONE.
Pretty much if he will only be played if hes really good. The reason I and probably some others didn't buy Shuma/Jill (As DLC), is cause I thought..''I dont know Shuma..He's not that good of a char either, so why spend the money''
Even if I look at all my mains, I played em cause I love them as characters. Ill play Vergil even if he's mid-tier.
YA HEARD. Im REALLY afraid of this dude though. He's small = small hitbox = some moves will whiff on him = + If hes good? Gtffoooo
@41 high execution?? i scoff at that notion. anyone can super jump cancel into a flame kick over the opponents head for a crossup all game long. lol execution....u apparently didnt play cvs2 or any old capcom games. those games took execution not silly shortcuts
^lol we're not talking about cvs2 or other fighters... IN SSF4! Viper requires the most execution out of all the characters... U apparently have never seriously tried to play Viper. cross-up Burn kicks don't win matches at high levels bud.
I'm not going to judge Rocket Raccoon until I play him. I was one of the people who thought that She-Hulk would get destroyed in MvC3 and that no one would pick her. 7 months later, I can't play MvC3 without having She-Hulk in my team. I've never read a She-Hulk comic in my life lol.
All this talk about Viper brings back memories of Cammy. It would be funny if they nerfed all her specials and gave her frame advantage on her normals just like they did with Cammy lol. At least she has a laser move in MvC3 now.
Bullsh*t, AmataF***INGresu made it, and she's a freakin wolf and yet she isnt top tier and everyone loves her because her moveset is creative and fun.
It will be creative and fun seeing what Rocket Racoon and Phoenix Wright will do, not "TIER'S", that BullSh*t talk.
MvC3 had allot of characters nobody wanted, most people expected MvC2 characters and yet the roster's awesome. Its all mere opinion.
Rocket Raccoon is a great addition, now stop whinning because your favorite character didnt make it, I love Venom, im upset he didnt make it, but im not gonna act like a loser and bash the rest of the cast like you babies
@#55
HUH? amateratsu is usually regarded as one of the tops, just isnt easy to use compared to the other top tiers. Amazing assist, amazing throw range, dhc glitch both ways, small hit box, fast normals, decent to good damage dependant on stance. Weaknesses consist of poor health, learning how to use each stance and people hate towards fighting her so they tend to pop xfactor right off the bat to murder her before she does anything LOL.
@#52
CVS2 players have higher execution than Viper players? You're kidding right? Now, I'm not saying that CVS2 is an easy game to learn, but when it comes to execution, that game isn't that demanding. CVS2 is more about spacing, footsies, and using your normals rather than extensive combos. I play A-groove Blanka, Sakura, Bison and C-groove Cammy, Hibiki, Sagat and CVS2 was my first major fighting game. With that being said, I can't consistently do what Viper players do, and I honestly tried. Ambiguous flamekicks aren't the only thing that Vipers do, and if you think that's all they do and win that way, you must be free. Just because SF4 has a shortcut system with their controls doesn't mean Viper is easy to play with.
Now, as for nerfing Viper, I think looking at the EVO results and judging them accordingly, it's not fair to nerf Viper just because Latif and Krone made top 8. Viper requires a lot of patience to master. I'm a Seth player, so I can sympathize. It's high risk, high reward for both characters, and to nerf their attributes would most likely kill them for competitive play. Nerfing her flamekick is unnecessary. Ken and other characters have ambiguous crossups, so I don't see why Vipers is an issue.
As for the Rocket Raccoon debate. It's not in Capcoms hands. You honestly think Capcom wanted to add Rocket Raccoon over other Marvel characters that were highly demanded, like Venom or Gambit? Of course not. That's why you see characters on Capcoms side that were higly requested (even firebrand) on the games upcoming roster, and you see lesser known Marvel characters on their roster. Obviously capcom only have few choices they can make with the licenses they are allowed to use from Marvel, and Marvel is only giving them specific licenses due to certain comic book or movie tie-ins that are currently in progress or are going on now.
As a character, visually, I don't like Rocket Raccoon either. But, as a character in the game and how he plays, I can't comment because there is no footage to say if he looks competitive or not. We just have to wait and see.
ok question and i know im probly gonna get trolled into the ground for it, why the f*ck is yang considered S tier in AE when he is basically the same as he was in 3S where he was only like mid tier at best? yang is trash without meter making his super useless since your always burning meter for FADC to setup resets. and without meter or fishing for a reset yang does GARBAGE dmg. i watched the entire evo stream didnt see a single yang anywhere how is that S tier? imo the hate for yun is so strong yang catches blow back lol
@#61
I agree. I don't think Yang is as good as Yun and I definitely think they shouldn't nerf him that bad compared to Fei and Yun, but you have to remember, Capcom listens to the fans a bit too much. So, whenever someone cries over how broken the twins are, Capcom will listen and do something about it eventually. It's sad that it's coming to having to wait for capcom to fix something rather than just dealing with it. This is what happens when you let the new-gen play fighting games. They don't wanna learn, they just wanna patch.
@#61
Just cause Yang wasnt represented on the stream doesnt mean he wasnt played or shouldnt be S-tier. he just gets overshadowed by his brother once again like in 3s, doesnt make him bad.
1)Yang in 3s was about #5~6 on the tier listing switching between him and dudley, he wasnt mid tier at all. Top 5 isnt a bad place to be.
2)yang is trash without meter? What character isnt really? How many characters can legitimately stock their full meter for supers? Rose/yun/sim usually. Not like Yang needs his super anyways.
3)Yang is good at building meter upclose or fullscreen. Alot of characters dont do alot of damage without meter nor build it well when they cant get in, but alas it isnt always just about damage. He can pressure pretty well. And good tools to stay on his opponent. Bison cshortx3 scissor kicks do how much? balrog cjab cjab cshort headbutt does how much? rose cjab cshort cstrong drill? now compare that to yang jab jab cforward mantis slash(+have a decent divekick), he isnt alone on low damage on meterless combos.
Yang is a good solid character with alot of options compared to the rest of the cast, which is why he rated so high. Being in the shadow of yun is not a bad thing, plus yang have actual defensive options which yun doesnt.
And please dont mistake my post as a nerf yang one, just providing info.
@60 That remains to be unseen whether or not Capcom want RR over Gambit or Venom. Take this for example, it was Capcom that manage to get Shuma-Gorath into the game and his popularity isn't all that great to begin with. So there is that possible that Capcom could have wanted RR over Gambit or Venom.
The 3S tier list they show is from this site, no? Good stuff.
Capcom got Sentinel in the game... A character who is no longer relevant in the Marvel universe
They got sentinel for the MvC2 fans and they can get Venom and Gambit if they really wanted to
I agree rocket raccoon its BS.But yeah i will play him if he get cable ability.But sorry for the raccoon fan i would be happy to play, silver surfer, thanos,sentry, cyclops, drax the destructor,adam warlock, but how can i be happy to play a racoon even if he is god t-ier in a MVC game.
There are too many charismatic super hero in marvel universe to just bring us a racoon.
@70
You mean Drax the Destroyer.
I've never seen so many people without a sense of humor. People need to get the stick out of their "you know where" and lighten up.
The irony of this all is that all the other characters in the Marvel Universe have the same reaction to seeing Rocket Raccoon for the first time as a lot of people on these boards; "A raccoon? seriously?" He is meant to be a funny concept, but I guess you all take yourselves and your games too seriously to actually see anything humorous. As if 99% of the characters in the game aren't ridiculous to someone who doesn't play games... Viewful Joe? MODOK? etc. etc...
Rocket Raccoon is godlike.Im more puzzled over Phoenix Wright and Frank West.Frank West should have stayed in TvC,and who knows how PW will play out,the Racoon has lasers/guns/artillery plus hes small,im sold.
@#69
ummmm, going off of the FACT of Sentinel's lack of appearances in movies and comics as of late and the FACT that Seth and Nitsuma have both said that Marvel chooses characters that are in upcoming movies or comics that they want to promote... One starts to wonder "Why did Marvel allow Shuma and Sentinel in the game?"
So my SPECULATION is that based off of those two characters in MvC3, Capcom could push for the #1 fan requested character in the game... Maybe their saving him for future DLC.
Again, this is speculation, basically 90% of comments on this site are... If you're not smart enough to understand that... sorry pal
First off the only character that we actually know that capcom got in was Shuma. Thats not a speculation. What up-coming comic does She-hulk has? Taskmaster? MODOK? And just because capcom MIGHT have pushed for shuma and or Sentinal, who is too say Marvel will deny capcom to do it again? Who knows, they might have denied them already. Look at the DLC cast for marvel.
^my point exactly... Capcom does have a history of "holding out" on their fans to make a profit later on down the road. I wouldn't be surpised to see a "fan favorite" update/DLC in a couple of years.
No, I don't work at capcom but based off of Capcom's history and desire to make profit, I'd expect to see Mega Man, gambit and other fan favorites in this game later on
Again, Capcom can only add specific character licenses Marvel gives them. Just because Sentinel and Shuma are not currently in any major marvel comics doesn't mean Capcom requested them highly. That is all assumption based on appearances in previous games. Did you know Shuma Gorath is a powerful villain in the Marvel universe, and that the Sentinels were the first true enemies in the X-men series? Maybe that was a reason why Marvel gave Capcom those character licenses.
Most of the cast that was picked were either very nutorious Marvel Characters, characters that will appear in movies or current comics, or just characters Marvel wanted to promote. Maybe it was for historical purposes? We won't know and honestly, it doesn't matter because Rocket Raccoon is in the game and Gambit is not. People need to realize that and stop crying.
It looks like Yun Yang Fei Long and Viper are about to get hit and hit hard by the nerf king, hopefully let them buff Ryu