yeah its true, I have been playing Fei since vanilla, so I dont really bother about tiers, but its ok every one to his own opinion
Exactly my man, We as players should be able to pick whoever we want. The thing is which really bugs me about this whole tier subject, if we happen to pick a player and they were to get buffs and become "s tier", the people who pick them will be automatically classed as "following the bandwagon", fruads or lucky scrubs, by the rest who dont bother to learn the matchup. It seems because you are so and so, all skills seem to automatically fade like so and so gives you auto wins or something.
Again great video, didnt want to rob anything away, but the tier talk/bashing is inevitable. Keep up the good work
Woah woah woah ricefarmer, Noone said tiers are imaginary or do not represent anything!
Yes tiers defintely do exist and yes they do give you an insight of which char is in favour against another one and how much. But people pay way too much attention to them, making facts off these alone.
Just because one player is favoured this doesnt mean its wrote in destiny to be the result. Just because so and so is top tier, automaticaly every player who picks them is trash and living off their char skills rather than their player skills.
@Catalyst:
You should know by now, that a lot of people on this site love verbal abuse/name-calling.
Nice vid, love the effects of the glowing body parts.
@BlankaBeast its not an effect, my crappy video card glows up body parts like crazy
so its completely fair that a character so powerful has an easy time winning everyone, and someon who just loves playing cammy has to work 3x as hard just to win? thats not good game design
and when the winner is the low tier character everyone rushes in to say tiers dont matter when the truth is they had to work extra hard just to win..
@Ryu_Apprentice, great vid & very well put together. as a fei player, i it was cool for me :)
i mean ... i dont want to bash on the vid ...
theres some solid material here .. and yes the methods can be applied with any other character ..
but the problem is ... its just never that simple ...
a good yun player will mix it up so much that most your anti airs wont matter ... and like he said in the vid the lunge punch can be unpunishable from a certain distance ... its acctually rediculous.. its really hard to make it whiff on reaction with a cr.MK unless you KNOW he's gonna acctually do it ...
this stuff is all nice on paper but applying it in an acctual match and consistently is a totally different ball game ...
the only problem is .. i have a feeling the balance patch wont do much regarding yuns mechanics ...first thing they need to do is scale down his rediculous damage output , i mean you'd think that after 4-5 linked normals the special would be scaled a bit more like everyone else right ? ...also, the fact that his lunge punch is also an armor break makes it even harder to utilize FA in this match up ... that in particular should be the first and most vital change ... one armor breaker(the palm) is more than enough for him when you consider all the tools he has ... also the fact that his HK and EX up kicks hits low hitboxes as well can be quite annoying.. if anything it should be like deejay's and whiff on low hitboxes ... its bad enough that those versions of the upkicks acctually go far and are hard enough to punish when going for a meaty low after knockdown.. he shouldnt get a free knockdown out of his escape... also his dive kick height restriction should be a little like yangs ... its alot easier to manage that way ...even with all that being done he would still be a mean contender and still really hard to deal with ... ofcourse these are just suggestions and probably no1 would listen and they'd never happen ... but one can dream cant they .. ?
@18
What the hell are you talking about??? Cammy player has to work 3x as hard? Any valid explanation for such an absurd comment?
Look back in Super, Cammy's meterless TKCS gave her an extremely broken tool which allowed her to dominate many characters with relative ease. Cammy's meterless TKCS was abused at the low-level online play and it was abused even more at the very high level gameplay .
One example of Cammy's meterless TKCS being abused at the high level was when Sakonoko abused it to blow past against Momochi, YHCMochi, Daigo, Uryo, etc... during Godsgarden 2; and when he encountered a character who had the means to effectively deal with the meterless TKCS (Fei Long with U2), he lost.
I agree that Cammy in AE may have to work harder than abusing the meterless TKCS the way people did back in Super, but that doesn't mean that Cammy is now "sh-t tier." Not by a long shot. Almost every single top Japanese pro agrees that Cammy is A-Tier in AE. Many American pros such as AuLord also agree that AE-Cammy is A-tier.
She might have lost her meterless TKCS, but Capcom has given her buffs in so many other areas to make up for the loss of the meterless TKCS. Yes, Capcom took away Cammy's ability to play it cheap; but Capcom has also given Cammy what she needs to be an A-tier character when it comes to fighting it fairly.
The only people who cry about AE-cammy being "sh-t tier" are scrubs who miss the days where the were able to play it cheap and abuse the meterless TKCS, a broken move that many characters had no good ways of answering to.
@fireinthehole
and yun can't abuse any moves? how many safe moves does he have? and a safe dive kick. how many ae cammy safe moves does she have? its a absurd to say everyone words equally the same
i dont even have to use cammy as an example, the twins are broken.. thats all there is to it
I agree with #20. I dont want to bash your video but better Yun players will not throw out those kinds of dive kicks or close lunge punch. Again good vid im not a fan of the light effects and such.
Now on to the talk about tiers. Now I was with Catalyst at EVO when I spoke to Christain (USA Capcom prez) in regards to all this Fei bashing. So let me break it down to you. Fei is the same character from Vanilla to AE. Yes he got +1 added to his standing LP as well as being safe on block with his EX rekka. That said Fei got nerfed from Vanillia to Super. His damage output was dropped on a few normals plus his Super & Ultra.
Where most players feel got amazing buffs is because all of Fei's bad matchups got nerfed. So now with Fei staying the same alomst for 3 games and the entire cast around him getting some form of Nerf Fei jumps up in "Tier List" The other factor is the Mago factor. Yes Starnab, Evans, Inthul and many others main Fei, it was Mago who unlocked Fei's full potential. At that point every player took notice as did the Fei Long players as to what Fei can truly do.
I do see Fei getting a damage nerf in the balance patch as so many players are crying about Fei. What should be done is all the characters who got nerfed in AE whould be pushed back to there Super level.
For example, if Super Guile faced AE Fei it would be a even match 5-5. Vanillia Guile won this matchup 6-4 as he also did in Super 6-4. Guile gets nerfed in AE and the matchup is now 6-4 in favor of Fei. So you see how the game would become balance again if you give back the characters who recieved nerfs some buffs.
People cry about Yun for 1000 words and yet they still try to be lazy and call to nerf THE TWINS in the end. Was it so hard to just type "Yun".
Yun was imbalance, i have to admit as a Yun player, in some ways. Like the command grab, lunge punch break armor, palm deal too much damage + active frame, Cr.HK glitch, ex lunge safe on block.
Remove all of those and yun may be still strong, but he is more interesting to play now.
@jason24cf That wasnt light effect, my video card doesnt render the game textures well so it glows for some reason (honda's legs glow non-stop that I wear glasses), besides like I said in the video it just to throw the knowledge out there because Yun depends on the player, if you meet a scrubby yun definitely you will see a full screen lunge punch but a Pro wil likely dive kick you in close range.
like I said its not a magic Yun killer but more of info guide for yun.
Hmm... takes S tier to beat S tier :O I was hoping the vid had other characters too :(
People who think tier list are an end all closed matter they are just not good players.
For the know it alls out there who think Dan = Ryu or 12 = Ken in 3s since tier lists DO NOT exist, they are also ignorant or closing their eyes on purpose.
@29 there were only 5 Fei players in top 32 Evans, Mago, CJ Truth, Fuudo and DR Ray. Dont join @Ryu_Apprentice my bad i thought this was a PC mod that caused the strob effect. Yes the average Yun players will throw a full screen lunge punch and high dive kicks. Still again its a good video im not taking anything away from you.
Waits for the Tier list related comments...............smh