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Angry Joe? Really? You're giving attention to this autistic manchild who throws temper tantrums over video games?
This isn't even Capcom related news, you're just putting money in his pocket by giving him free views for crying about Capcom doing the right thing for the consumer. Don't encourage this type of behavior, please.
@3
They did the right thing for the consumer? Wow, just wow. Announcing a update after 5 month isn't really doing anything for me. I love Capcom, but this is just plain stupid, he has some valid points even though he doesn't know anything about fighting games at all.
MvC3 was less than a shi**y demo or beta, now they are going for the full release, which isn't even great to begin with (yet better than the first one)
This is my first time watching this guy...I can't even make it through half the video because his voice, mannerisms, and unneeded screaming irritate me...Does he really need to scream? =.=
And who is he to say "Spectator mode should've been in the first MvC3?"
Capcom runs things how they run it, and of course I, like a lot of others, don't agree with it, but to say that something should've been in there when you aren't part of the design team making said game is just ignorant. Work for the company then pitch the feature, that's how the industry works. Don't go around saying that it should be in there because if you don't work on the project, you shouldn't be saying what should and shouldn't be in there.
I accidentally spaced my username when I submitted this lol
it was funny to watch and hey every person will still have their own veiws on weather he's right or not but i can say that almost 75% of people that play this are completly hype about the new game and that is true plus this guy just said what he thought about the game from an outside point of view it has way and i say that lightly ,more things in the game then the first one and regaurdless of anything just like people loved MvC3 they will love this edition also and on top of that what better way to make a game better than releasing it and getting peoples view and then fixing whats wrong just like they did with sentinel at first. i know that i cant wait for this to come out!
I didn't even have to watch it to know what he was gonna b*tch about. I know its too soon to release an update to the game, I know spectator mode should have been there in the first place, I realize that we should have gotten more content for our money. But honestly, I don't care, I have far too much fun with this "incomplete piece of sh*t" to care. The more content added to this game the better. I know I'm in the minority and I'm not telling you to agree with me, but honestly, I can understand both points of view.
He's right
I won't be buying UMVC3 because the orignal was so incomplete and really felt like a beta version of the game
Buying UMVC3 is basically rewarding capcom for the horrible job they did with the original.. They could have fixed the netcode and send out a free rebalance and even patch in spectator mode but they didn't because they figured they can resell the same game less than a year later right before Christmas
It is funny how some people are happy that capcom is doing this.
It's cool to be excited about the rebalance and new characters... But Damn! atleast be salty about there sales tactics and how they got you hooked!
#5, they promised us Spectator mode for DLC dude lol. They broke that promise.
I haven't even watched further than 3 minutes and I know he's gonna be completely right about EVERYTHING, since I did see his first video and I also agreed on everything.
If you guys look past him shouting and stop trolling you'd know Capcom is milking our money once again. Not saying I wont buy it, but I got pissed for a reason too. Still am. He's not just a troll, he does bring out some facts -continues-
Not buying it.
@Capcom
"Don't neeeeeeeed it" :)
Also they know Mega Man X will sell most DLCs or another edition of the game so they will put him in next time along with 5 others and say
MAXIMUM Marvel Vs Capcom 3 like MvC2 56 characters MAX.
PLUS MEGA MAN X! Yay.... well, I'll get both those games but through..... ahem piracy. Cuz Capcom already has my $60.
I love how most of the points he made Capcom already addressed. Such as saying they were adding more solo modes, and they said why they couldn't add spectator mode, and they've made a way for it to work. Honestly, if we don't buy it guess what happens? They stop making fighting games. His whole stop buying and they'll release it in different ways idea is bullsh-t.
hes 100% right. WHen u compare ssf4 to umvc3 theres no contest. ALSO, it was about a year or so after we got the console verison of sf4 that we got an update but with mvc3 we are geting an update within months of the original(that just tells me that mvc3 was a beta that they pushed out to cash in).
People are free to spend there money as they see fit, but they have to open there eyes and see what capcom pulled with mvc3. I feel that its disrespectful to the fans.
its funny how people complained about mvc3 and noe capcom puts it in umvc3 and people still complain you guys only takes the joy out of games for yourselves when you act like that are you gonna be the same way with SFxT ?if so then just stop buying there games completly and if you dont agree with that then just deal :)
@15
that isnt true. They know the interest is there for fighting games so they WILL continue to push them out(we still have sfxtekken, were supposed to get a darkstalkers and ono wants to do another alpha and u know there already thinking about sf5). By NOT buying it we send them a message, either they give us a solid product(like ssf4) or we will spend are money else where.
#13 I love Capcom. Ever since I was little, and again I don't like the fact that they're milking us again, and I will definitely buy UMvC3, but ever since DLC became a big thing, almost every major gaming company is using it to their advantage. They realize that with putting out an "incomplete" game, they can make even more with extra content. So don't get mad at Capcom. Get mad at DLC. :P
When old games like Street Fighter and Darkstalkers came out, those games were complete by our standards because they added everything they could and wanted to. Nowadays, why bother finishing it all at once and get only make a profit only once?
@17
They promised us that they were gonna support the game with dlc with characters etc throughout the games lifespan, but the game didnt last 6 months before they annouced a new verison. Do u NOT see a problem with that?
We paid 60 bucks for what? 35-ish characters, dozen modes, several stages, a completely new game, new experience, new teams w/e.
Now we're paying 40 bucks (Almost FULL price) (As joe mentioned) FOR:
- Spectator mode (Was promised to be free in MVC3)
- Stages (As mentioned..wow.. >>)
- Balancing ..(Should be free, look at MK9..If somethings broken its not our damn fault...)
- Better netcode (SHOULDA BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE)
- 12 characters where most only know 40% of.
SSF4 As mentioned by him: 4 NEW BIG ONLINE MODES/FEATURES..new titles..new everything...+ 12 chars. + IT ALREADY HAVING SPECTATOR MODE + IT ALREADY HAVING DECENT ONLINE :D
They are making more money this way than if this was DLC. I don't even believe the story about their DLC being lost tbh lol. 12 chars = 60 bucks yes, but the majority im sure would buy a max of 4 characters over the yearsssss.
Example: I like Shuma's gameplay, but I dont know or care about the character itself and I like to play chars I know so I didn't buy him nor do I think its worth the price. Im sure most did the same. Now we CANT pick lol. Not saying I wont get it tho, since I have every new fighter, just incredibly pissed. It sucks cause I know everyone will buy it
@20
"a fool and his money are soon parted"
remember that the day u wake up in a cardboard box.
I know I just repeated everything he said lol, but I said it before his vid. too! ;_;. And no im not a hater, im just a fan thats annoyed.
Although w/e. I get tonnnnnnnnnnns of hours out of my 100 dollars = 160 Euros (Dammit...for the same damn game lol) so it is worth the price. I bought games for 60 bucks that I played for an hour or two
@23
dont forget that there giving us ssf4ae2012 FOR FREE.
His anger is valid but myself being a huge fan of fighting games and also being a fan of the competitive scene for these games, I can't see myself not buying it. Mainly because top players who are already so invested into vanilla MVC3 are most likely going to play this game.
For the most part online features are for the casual scene and I am disappointed in capcom in that front. But generally speaking top players don't care about online features, as long as it is lagless as possible and spectating(which I completely agree that should of been in vanilla). However I am more focused on the rebalance, new mechanics concerning X-factor and new character viability.
And in my case paying a total of 100+ dollars for something I can literally invest hundreds of hours into and hundreds of hours watching doesn't feel like the end of the world. But all in all Ultimate is not a great expansion and is definitely lacking key features recent fighters have already incorporated. But this does not get me less excited about how Marvel vs Capcom 3 evolves in the competitive scene.
This is all true. I remember when I got MvC3 the day it came out and a few days later I took a step back and saw how dissappointing of a game it was. I began telling my friends "Yeah it's a fun game, but don't buy it unless you can get it for $30 or less. It's definitely not worth the $60."
It SHOULD have had spectator mode. I still have no other idea of what to think other than it being some sales tactic to charge us for more money. That was one of my BIGGEST dissappointments for MvC3. If you have anything to say otherwise about that, then you probably don't have any friends. That's the truth; you can't deny it.
Other than that, I pretty much agree with everything he said. Capcom seriously pisses me off with their fan milking. I really don't see how their fan base doesn't get angry. I mean, they're taking advantage of you.
@21
yes there is a problem with that but what can you do? as a fan they ,being capcom will listen and try to give you what you want but making a game perfect for all players isnt easy at all for example if you were a phonix player you get mad just to see her nerfed in this game but people who arent are happy to see that the problem isnt with the game its with the gamers who can never be pleased also know that mvc3 was actually supposed to come out when umvc3 is coming out and why did they relase it early? because us being the fans couldnt wait and became complelty impatient for the game so again dont blame capcom blame the people who couldnt wait AKA people who ripped the game files and started to disibute them early
'He's RIGHT'! No, he isn't. Infact, he has no place to go on a dumb internet rant. Its a business model that capcom favors. We all bought SSF4 and were all going to buy UMVC3, but I mean, ok, you dont HAVE to, and if it bugs you that much then don't. An incomplete game? Its tournament viable, everyone is useful and ok, no spectator mode. Is that seriously that big of a deal. @22. As blunt as he was, he's right. You know how much COSTUMES and CHARACTERS are in Capcom games, so you would rather bitch and moan omfg this game is taking too long to come out, or would you rather shell out well over 40 dollars for all the character stage and dev DLC. They remind me of Apple. Do you want them to release all iPhone 1-5 at the same time. At the end of the day its a business. And they run it to make money. Be happy you get 12 new character 8 stages and a bunch of game changes, for 40. sorry, but I hate it when people complain about an unfinished game, thats just ignorant and stupid
Okay. I'm gonna give counter-points to as many of his points as possible, in a manner as concise as I can make it.
FIRST and foremost, lack of content:
The fact of the matter is, CHARACTERS AND RE-BALANCING ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER TO THE HARDCORE SCENE, PERIOD.
If I could trade spectator mode for a new character, I'd do it in an instant, and I think I speak for the majority of the tourney community when I say that.
12 new characters is FAR better than the idea of 4 new modes and 8 new characters.
Him saying "6 of the characters suck" or are "useless" is obscene, he clearly hasn't played any of them (Save perhaps the ones playable at comic-con and EVO)
The idea of balancing through patching is a slippery slope, MK9 has had constant balance patches, though the tiers are still obvious. A perfect example is MVC2 Sentinel, at first he seemed sluggish, and difficult to play, but once people dug deep, they found he was an INSANE character.
You have to let the community try to play things the way they are before patching, so they can discover what is actually wrong with a game, you have to be as sure as possible something is wrong before trying to correct it.
The lack of replay channel is hardly even an issue, anyone who has an internet connection probably won't use it anyway (Why not just watch pro matches on youtube, with commentary?)
Sure, there were "56" characters in MVC2, how many of them were playable?
Capcom has said the retail release is due to the current crisis in Japan, though this could be untrue/a marketing ploy, I'll concede that point.
Perhaps a version of Megaman should have been added, but I believe Zero fills the slot well enough.
Sorry but this is fail, 15 mins to know stuff I already know.
And the whole cop-angry-video-game-nerd thing is getting a little old -_-
Not too mention the only bad thing with UMVC3 is how it's coming out too soon, not so much which features.
You guys need to learn to simply turn the other cheek instead of making this bs 15 min video and paragraphs.
theres a new assassin's cred every year, theres 2 call of duty games a year, theres a madden every year, by now how man versions of kingdom hearts have you seen?
better yet, how many versions of street fighter 2 do you own that you or your parents paid full price for?
we've waited 10 years for new fighting games from capcom, 10 years people screamed about things being broken in MVC2 wishing there was an update where things can be fixed.
now with SSF4 and MvC3 capcom has the ability to do so, sure they can do like 2012 and update it freely, they did a similar update when super first came out. but with those updates there were no new characters.
with mcv3 there are 12, one of which is strider, the reason I place the first 2 MvCs and it roughly have the price of the game i first got, and if theres a dlc version that will be 15 bucks just like SSF4:AE.
I see nothing wrong with what capcom is doing, they need to make money to make games. and street fighter being successful again, having 2 million total viewer during evo is a dream come true.
because of that love of the game we may be seeing Dark Stalkers next year, we are getting SFxT. and capcom has faith is the genre once again.
now for all the naysayers go find all your copies of street fighter and try to spell "hypocrite" with them. use the extras to make exclamation marks.
I found it funny reading the first sentence of post 16 right after reading all of post 15.
but yea captain america has a double jump.
I'm not buying it could care less but game was unfinished it's a shame they are getting away with it instead of flooding Ono's twitter they should flood these guys for that bs. Especially after the excuses they kept coming up for the first one as too why this and that mode wasn't included.
Which leads me to be hesitant about SFXT since you don't know how finished the game might be.
I agree with the general point of the vid maybe not everything but most of it.
The fact is consumer is king and the only time consumer isnt king is when they give away their power to be king. I wont be buying umvc3 because it was 5 months ago. Thats pretty ridiculous, its not crying its making a choice and standing up for what you believe in. Money isnt the issue its quality is I was one of the people who played mvc2 for 10 years I bought 2 dreamcasts for it and the game 2 times plus I bought it on ps3 plus I bought a joystick. 40 dollars is nothing compared to what I spent. Anyone thinking that he complained about a 40 dollar price tag is a fool. He is complaining because they took what they promised to be DLC and is jacking up the price to make even more money off consumers who have been more than generous period.
Okay, Joe Kind of got my vote here.
I don't really bother listening to reviewers, but after seeing this: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/96...
And watching this video, I think I'm gonna stay well away from UMvC3....at least until there's enough stuff in it to warrant a purchase, but It's FAR from a day 1.
It's up to the consumer to decide if something is worth buying or not, especially if it's an entertainment item. You either ultimately do buy or don't. There's no objective measure of "right or wrong" involved.
You're either think the positives (whether that's because one of your fave characters got in, or you like the balance changes, or you just genuinely find the game fun, or you're addicted and should seek help, whatever) outweigh the negatives (you don't like the game, you're against what you see as Capcom swindling people, you're still salty about Megaman/Venom/MML3, whatever) and you buy or you don't.
To be honest, this game still feels incomplete to me. For instance, the Replay Channel is still missing. So they consider it redundant maybe? And why are Jill & Shuma still DLC? Shouldn't they be regular characters this time?
I don't think it's about spending $40, it's more about changing the behavior of companies like these making stupid mistakes(which might be intentional, who knows...), and the ones who always suffer are the buyers, of course. The company never loses an opportunity to make profit even if it comes at the cost of fooling people - "Business Strategies" you know.
My questions still: What should people do with their MvC3 copies? Will you continue support for it Capcom? OR Will you provide some exchange deal?
why!? why do people think you can make a finished game lets all think for a second people. no game is perfect and there will always be someone complaning and now that they can fix it faster to shut those people up and please them you complain more!? none of you work for capcom and if you did you would probably understand why a "finished" game is impossible a very PERFECT example of this is SF3 OE the first thing fans asked for was rebalencing that game was amazing and fun to play in every was but that goes to show how even after ten year people can still complain about it...no game can be made perfect but that is where playing the game and exploring it comes in and thats what really makes the game fun
I swear, I don't know where some gamers get this sense of entitlement. What would you prefer? Mvc3 launching with 20 chars? Add four more to make super mvc3? Add 4 more for arcade edition? Capcom gave people twice the content of their typical fighting release and all fans can do to show appreciation, is whine and complain? Its like the snotty teenage rich girl who throws a tantrum and causes a scene because her parents bought her a white bentley instead of a silver one.
Guys lets be real, stop randomly defending it, open your eyes. THEY WERE LAZZZY, that's almost fact lol. NOW IM NOT SAYING, that we're not getting the full value out of the 40 bucks, since most of us probably will play it for HOUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSS, BUT, this is not a ''GREAT DEAL'' AT ALL.
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Compare SSF4 TO UMVC3:
UMVC:
- NEGATIVE 1 New mode (Shadow mode is gone..so were getting LESS MODES THAN BEFORE LOOOOOOL!!!!)
- 12 character (65% of which we don't give a damn about)
- BAD ONLINE: We're paying for their mistakes, what's worse is..people that won't buy ULTIMATE WILL STILL HAVE BAD ONLINE........WTF..
- Paying for Spectator mode
- Paying for re-balancing
- THROWING AWAY MONEY BY HAVING BOUGHT SHADOW MODE
SSF4:
4 NEW MODES/FEATURES ..(FOUR.....)
10-12 Characters (90% Of which were highly requested, NO ONE complained)
- FREE BALANCING
- GOOD ONLINE IN ALL VERSIONS
- SPECTATOR MODE
@3 - [mod edit, watch the insults.]
@5 - [mod edit again, watch the insults.]
@15 - 3rd Strike sales (low) caused Capcom to re focus their goals on Street Fighter
and it brought forth great results (Steet Fighter 4 series); Regardless that it took them a while.
Lack of sales does speak to development, they won't stop making they will only try to do better.
They can't afford not to have good sales and will do what is necessary. It's up to you if you will spend
money on their minimal output. That's business, you build cheap and sell expensive. In the end you bought the
exact same game twice in less than half a year.
@36
"You guys need to learn to simply turn the other cheek instead of making this bs 15 min video and paragraphs."
You're kidding me, right? Do you even have a concept of how market-based economics work? The CONSUMER dictates what is offered to the market with their WALLETS. "Turning the other cheek" to what company's do and sell is the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard. Letting the company walk all over you isn't going to do you any good.
I don't mind paying for balancing. I think it's great that companies offer it for free, but I think that's just a nice bonus. Balancing is incredibly difficult for any fighting game whose characters aren't perfect clones of one another, and I can understand wanting compensation for that effort.
I don't mind spending money for new characters either. Those are incredibly important to a fighting game since, well, those are what the players control in the matches. I don't mind having a bunch of characters on a full retail disc either. DLC can do wonders for it, sure; but then you've got people claiming it is too much for one character, or that they should have been in the game in the first place. So it goes either way.
What I have a problem with is exactly what Angry Joe mentioned. Regardless of what anyone wants to believe, we are getting less for the same price (compared to SSFIV, not the original MvC3). Not only that, we are getting it in a shorter interval than usual.
This is not something that the consumers should want. They should expect the same amount of content for the same price, and the companies should offer that at that price. The instant one side gives way, the balance shifts. The consumer just happens to be the one that tends to give way first. Supporting UMvC3 will make this amount of content acceptable for $40 dollars. Not what it could do, not what it would do, what it will do. That's how things work, and people should realize that before they spend the hard-earned money so carelessly.
Money has intrinsic value, so spend like you actually value it!
@47. Who the hell is we. I love Nova. and Iron fist. So. Speak for yourself, and no one told your ass to buy shadow mode, just go play mvc3 if you want it so bad. the hell. you honestly need to understand that jill and shuma were about 5 apiece so thats 50 off the bat. hurp durp
Me and my brother were just discussing the rant joe made.On some points i do agree with him about when he was comparing mortal kombat,ssf4 and umvc3.But in the end of the day nearly 3/4 of us fans are hype about this new game.Some of the added chars. are defiantly nice to see but i do wonder why gambit,venom,cyclops,cable,and of course megaman werent added.
And i also think this version should be lower in price as well
@37
You're right about COD and SF2. But comparing Madden or any other sports game to Capcom's BS is fail.
Sports teams change EVERY YEAR. That's why a version is released annually. Their reason is actually legitimate.
And with other games, at their other companies and Ono from Capcom waited a least a YEAR to release their enhanced versions of games. And since Ono (who doesn't work on MVC3) is working on SFxT I doubt the same thing will happen to that game.
All you did is prove Joe's point. Now if you excuse me I'm going to gamestop to sell my special edition of MVC3 to preorder UMVC3/
@52: We as in the majority. Ive followed the whole MVC3 thread @ SRK, and the majority was upset about the character picks. Like everyone complained lol. And dont ignore the other points
What do you mean about Jill + Shuma? I dont get that sentence. They are not free so idk why you're subtracting 10 bucks instead of adding. (Oh btw..who bought Jill + Shuma? Yea no one/ like a small % cause they didn't like them enough for the price)
Why so much hate guys? Oh yeah whenever theres an article with differing opinions than a majority of the group than everyone flips there sh!t. Good this is going exactly as planned.
Now we just need angry joe to post SF3 Online rant. Then again that game is more reasonable than this cash grab. Also, Yoshinoro ono is a god send compared to TVC director
@50 you cant say anything to them about economics lol they dont get it. They would be the type to buy a brand new 2011 ford escort and drive it off the lot and in 5 months if it didnt work they would buy the 2012 ford escort with the added cup rest LOL. No knock on ford escort just using it as a generic car LOL.
He's right though. We are getting less for what ssf4 did. They at least have to put in a replay channel cause what he did say is true. For the characters they are crap. Other than strider,Phoenix,frank west, and virgil were actually top voted. Idc even if it wasn't official capcom has to kno this type of SH!t maybe if they listened more. I'm so mad the f#ckin raccoon is in the game. Who voted or asked for him?!!! He sucks I don't care what anyone else says
@60 - exactly
@56
Just because a vast majority of these people dont pick up a comic but run to mvc and fight for it. Who do you want from marvel? ._. Im curious. Plus, you havent even played them.
And I'm letting you know just characters DLC is 50 dollars. Im not subtracting
And your other points?
-If you want Shadow mode go back to mvc
-Rebalancing comes because of a vast majority complaining.
-And a bad net code. *shrug* I don't really notice it and if you have a great connection which most individuals have, then. yea. :/ I just dont like how people complain like capcom owes them something
He failed to mention additions like new moves and color palettes. Most of the cast is characters shown in some of the endings of the game. Also the DLC costumes are not the same value as SSF4 and therefore shouldnt cost as much.
SSF4 Costume pack 320 MS = 4.00$
*Comes with 5 costumes and 10 palletes
MVC3 Costume Pack 400 MS = 5.00
*Comes with 6 costumes and No palletes
Herp derp Captivision
Just because we live in the US doesn't mean everyone is rich/wealthy. I had to buy used games at time because most of us are poor. I totally agree with this guy, I'm done.
The SF IV argument is retarded. You only got more from their DLC because you got so much LESS with the original SF IV. Even with both DLC packs SF IV's roster won't touch UMVC3's but people complain because of the manner in which the dlc was released? Or about something lame like spectator mode? Caring about spectator mode in a fighting game is like caring about dialogue in a FPS.
@64
If you don't notice how bad the net code is, you either:
1. play as: wesker, wolvie, phoenix
2. have crappy execution and therefore do simple S,A,B,C,S combos
Because MvC3 online is BAD!!!
@67
No, we got more from SSFIV because we actually got more. Regardless of how much we original had in SFIV compared to MvC3, we still got more new content from SSFIV than we will from UMvC3.
There's no getting around that. In terms of content, UMvC3 adds significantly less than SSFIV did for the same price.
damn...why is everyone mad at capcom its not like there the first ones to do it.
EA: A new iteration of madden,fifa,nhl,etc. every year
Activison: a new Call of duty plus map packs every year
its like you guys never heard of trading games in. im trading in my copy of mvc3 a month before ultimate it comes out, and ill probably get around $20 for it and thats half of what UMVC3 is. all you'll need is and other $20(pretty much the price of DLC's[ie. COD map packs])
I like Angry Joe, but I'm sure a lot of people are going to hate this video, to anybody who thinks that he's pathetic or something for getting mad over video games, the name of the show is Angry Joe, it's no different than the Angry Video Game Nerd, he's just taking personal opinions and blowing up the emotion to be entertaining, even if you don't like it, you can't deny what he's saying is pretty spot on.
Jup, youtube. A stage where even the retards can get their 15 minutes of fame.
He's looking at it the wrong way also; you get the option, the choice, the FREEDOM to buy this game. Entirely for FREE. But this angry little boy KNOWS that he cannot resist buying it. He KNOWS his money is already in their pocket and he blames THEM for it. Even though he knows that its just a couple of stages, spectator mode and characters which he thinks suck, the option to not buy doesn't even occur to him.
Offcourse he is not serious; he is just trying to be funny. He fails at that to.
@66
Yes dude I know what you mean. Some of these guys say 40$ that's nothing but they need to understand that some people don't have money to blow or at least on a game that's less than ssf4 by far.
People say capcom don't owe us anything? Are you stupid? Why does capcom make games? So WE can buy them!!! It's like walking up to your drug dealer asking for crack and he gives you cocaine!! You wanted crack not this SH!t. But dealers know if you're a junkie you will take it! But if we fight our addiction and resist we can get the crack we asked for. But we must all do it because a dealer will move on to the next dopefiend which is you. And if you buy from him then what do Im crackless. I eventually will sober up and move on. Until I find an actual crack dealer who gives his word. And your dealer will continue to butt f#ck you when your high on his supply. Let it be known you're nothing but a junkie to him!!
@72 mvc3 will go for 5$ you idiot. You clearly don't know how many ppl will turn in their copies around that time. The more copies a game store gets the less value it will return. Youll be lucky to get 10$ right now if it's not to late
I agree with @5 Iam not apart of the development team and capcom isnt gonna tell us everything I agree with this guy and I dont the reason I agree is because I PAID 70 (SE) for mvc3 and the training mode is the best capcom has ever done but the online is so bad its up there with kof12 I get error creating a lobby wtf we didnt get really anything all we got was a sent HP nerf basically if you didnt have a offline scene then mvc3 was worthless and I have a feeling that we will get super street fighter x tekken in 2013 now I disagree with the guy because 12 is a good amount with fixing to balancing and online it seems that it would have been harder to do that while people are online unless they shut it off till they fixed it I know mk did this but mvc3 seems like it would be harder to fix than mk9
bison : yes! YES!! YEESSS!!!
MY MAN JOE SPEAKS THE TRUTH.
guys if you need to buy marvel vs capcom, then buy it used or rent it from gamefly for a month until it goes down in price.
capcom is trying to be sneaky by offering free Dlc customes
to make sure you buy it New.
i mean really!
He's got some good points, but Marvel's my favorite so I'm buying it again anyway. I also feel like you get much more content out of a game like this than you get out of a single player game, and it's only $40. Plus, it's cheaper than it would have been to download the characters individually.
While I agree with a lot of what this guy is saying, I did have a lot of fun with MvC3 and I expect I'll have a lot with Ultimate as well so I'll probably be buying it. The problem with what he's saying though, is that if UMvC3 doesn't sell well Capcom won't say, "Hmm, this didn't sell very well, perhaps we should've included more content and made a better game" or "Maybe we should explore alternative methods of getting the content to fans", they'll say "Hmm, this didn't sell very well, obviously fans don't like vs games so we won't make any more of those", or even worse, "This new fighting boom seems to be over, let's slow down production on our fighting franchises and make some shooting games since that's where the profit seems to be these days".
why post this knowing full well this was going to happen? This definitely did not deserve front page. If you posted this crap, why don't you just post a bunch of other youtube rage videos about different capcom video games? they bring up the same point each and every time.
@70
I play Zero Tron Sent
Like I said it works and runs perfectly fine...
Its not choppy and links are easy. s,a,b,c,s. more like a,b,c drill, flame, j.b, s, b,b,s,down c, rocks, assist, beacon up, j.c x s, beacon foward, k servbot, c, takeout. dont assume. get a better connection
idiots that rant about a GAME needs to get a life i mean just look he rants on EVERYTHING WTF who gives a crap like people are going to listen and capcom is going to do the same stuff so why even try
Let's look at some more of the facts:
-Capcom already stated they intend to add more single player content in UMvC3 that they are not quite ready to talk about yet.
-We don't know all of the details of what we will be getting in UMvC3 so don't jump to the conclusion that SSF4 is a way better deal.
-Not everyone bought the first MvC3 so, whether or not the argument of it being a ripoff is valid or not varies from person to person.
-If you know Capcom does this, you shouldn't have bought the first one to begin with.
- Lastly, even if you do spend $100 total, I'm sure you can get a lot more replay value out of this $100 than you do for the $60 single player games that you get to play through once and is considered worth it because you get to unlock some art, or some secret movie at the end.
Honestly guys, there's nothing really wrong with what they're doing. I have faith that they're releasing it as a disc because they have to. SSF4 was originally planned as DLC but got released on disc because it was too much to have as just DLC. I'm sure it's the same case with MvC3. You guys keep comparing MvC3 and SSF4, but you fail to realize that having 6 characters in 1 match as compared to makes quite the difference in the amount of data and space it takes up. I rather just pay for the disc version than get all the DLC and have it take up a sh-t ton of space on my HDD.
@75
Man your comment crack me the F*uck up dude.
i thought of a boondocks episode just the way you explain it.
keep posting bro. =)
Imagine if we kept our receipt for a new copy of their fighters we can get their Disc Update for free if we send it to Capcom.
Nah...that would be fair. They WANT to rape us! I dont think, I KNOW it!
@99. when did I say I couldnt win. My point was your point. NO lag...
we will never see games from capcom like 3s, mvc2 and cvs2, becuause there is no need to put out the best possible game, cause if there is a huge problem just patch it. now as seen with Umvc3 release a new game and charge more money for it. fighting games are going down hill from here, there are still a few companies like namco that try to release a good final product, but after they see capcom milking their fans, they will soon follow. this kind of thing seldom happens with pc games.
we played and enjoyed 3s for years without chun and yun patch. why? because back then they tried to release a complete game cause it was final as well as, as fighting game players it was about learning to adapt and play against what we think is broken and make it what we thought was broken.
so i sell u a car but it does not have a starter, so i sell u another car with a starter? sell u a starter? or give you a car with a starter cause its my fault it did not have one in the first place?
@Ice9 Because there are only 2,830 people in the entire world right? Using a youtube video to generalize the entire world is extremely illogical. Not to mention the people that don't even like/dislike a video, like myself. So yeah, it isn't as hard to disagree with as you might think.
MALDA... You need to calm down... You overreact wayyyyyy to easy and are way to easy to troll.
On that note, MALDA, I'm not going to buy 3rd Strike because it is arguably the lamest SF game out there and I'm going to buy UMvC3 the day it releases.
Sorry but this is called business. What Capcom is doing is what we've wanted to happen for a long time, which is to shell out games yearly if not almost that. If you seriously are going to complain about 40 dollars you are really not very intelligent. People spend 40 dollars on gas alone for their car every couple of days and you're going to complain about 40 dollars every 6 months? Be realistic and stop being ignorant babies. I'm glad capcom is pushing out games fast it means they care and want to help the scene grow even if part of it is for financial gain, I still respect it. Watching the same games from 1998-2008 got REALLY OLD and I am so happy that ssf4 literally saved the fighting game scene. The only thing I would hope for from an outside perspective is really looking at balancing of a game, but I'm sure it's not as easy to balance without getting the public putting hours and hours of play into it to notice the problems first.
If you still seem content to complain about something that has plagued the fighting game scene for about 10 years,(that being lack of interest and support) then stay ignorant and don't buy anything, you're not convincing anybody that It's bad to release new refreshing content every 6 months to a year.
The funny thing is I am betting a lot of you pay for wow and are hypocrites to this because you pay for race/class changes new expansions and vanity gear with real cash, stay ignorant thanks.
Anyway thanks Capcom for not giving up on the fighting game scene.
@107 this is how you know there are people who never played in arcades. To everyone bitching, not saying this good or THE way to do it but MvC2 in arcade had an experience system that over time when you pumped in enough quarters, guess what.. A new character would be unlocked. This is NOTHING new.. I expected more DLC characters.
The point was made how 3s was enjoyed for years. Yet, SF3 came out in Sept of 97 with SF3: 2nd impact coming out 9months later and 3rd strike like a year and 1/2 later. So all this "outrage" is based on nothing more than self righteous entitlement.
The choice is simple, if you enjoy the game you'll continue to support it, if you were Meh, then chances are you won't. You aren't dumb, silly mindless contrarian for not supporting no more than I'm a sheep for loving the game. Enjoy your time and stop complaining about how the world owes you something.
@116
Oh look, another irresponsible person who doesn't know how to be a consumer.
Go ahead and spend the same for less and in quicker intervals. You are exactly the kind of person that companies love, because you are the person who will buy anything regardless of the quality.
Seriously, stop operating under the impression that "it's only $40, so I can leave my brain at home."
He basically said everything he needed to in the first five minutes. Then he just repeats it a couple times over the next ten. People are entitled to dislike what Capcom is doing but it gets to a point where being a whiny a-hole is just as bad as being a blind ass kisser. Yes, obviously this business strategy that Capcom has is not the best but if you don't like it the best way to fight it is to not buy their product.
And to the people who complain about characters, just as many people would be complaining, if not more, if they had the exact same mvc2 roster. Not everyone will be happy with the roster but at least they are adding a refreshing amount of new blood and trying to vary up gameplay.
@115 who gives a damn what you and him think if you don't like it STFU and go on with your life holy s**t man can't you people just pretend it DOESN'T EXIST and move on with your life god you idiots don't know s**t do you
I just wanted to let you guys know that with all the complaints about the character roster and the exclusion of Megaman X you'd be a dumb*ss to buy this game because you damn well know there will be another version of MVC3 released late next year. You know it. If you really believe they are going to stop at Ultimate you're out of your mind. There are too many requests for other characters. Excpet another version.
I didn't buy AE, I didn't buy MVC3, I'm not going to buy UMVC3, I'm not going to buy SFxT. Why would I? There is going to be an update to them. I'm going to wait till it's all said and pick up the final version of each game used for $15. I've got friends that will buy the games and there are other means of obtaining these games other than purchasing them.
I can't believe how many people will just let Capcom *hit all over them. They're going to rebuy 3rd Strike, they are going to blow $40 on UMVC3, $60 on SFxT when you KNOW you KNOW Super SFxT will be made. Who didn't know they were going to make UMVC3? Like who honestly didn't think that? I knew. I knew the second they announced the game and people weren't satisfied with the roster.
I can't stop you from supporting Capcom's business model or any other company's poor business model. I'm just make it blunt. This isn't the end, there is another version coming so get ready.
>"Why is he so loud and angry?"
>Angry Joe
>Angry
Such disappointment here on eventhubs.
Now next, your going to wonder why The Angry Video Game Nerd is so angry...
That Angry Joe was angry and he was talking about Mega Man and he flames at the company? Well I'm going to write him up for this and he can cuss well. I'm going to get Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and not listen to him. I'll never cuss like him because cussing is illegal to me.
@012
Sorry but how is spending 40 dollars on a game irresponsible, for those with even a part time job 40 dollars every 6months to a year is a freaking joke. If you can't afford it or don't think It's worth it to you personally don't buy it, but don't try to make it seem like spending 40 dollars makes you an idiot. Did you even read the part I said about people spending crazy amounts of money on wow alone? Think about what you just wrote for a second and maybe you'll realize how ridiculous you sound.
#108
I'm only going to say this once.
The post you are referring to was posted the way I posted it to be indicative of the time it was posted. The IDEA is to wait a few months and see how well the comment stacks up against the test of time.
If you don't have the sense to rationalize that out of the WAY I POSTED it then I honestly don't know what it is you were thinking.
I didn't do it to pick a fight and I'm pretty sure your sudden jump to conclusions just put you on the spot for completely missing the point.
Sit back, inhale, exhale, breath and relax. You are not under attack, so drop your defenses...or you're going to drop yourself with the weight of your own negligence.
At least for me, Capcom can go and f*** themself!!! Not just UMvC3, but also the Mega Man Legends 3 cancelation and other ridiculious moves the company has made so far.
If I want to play this game, I'll buy it used, so at least I give the money to anyone but Capcom. As a consumer, I have the right to do with my money what I want!!! So Capcom, until you change, good bye!
ok just to reiterate, it's not the $40, but the principle!
DON'T REWARD COMPANYS THAT CHARGE FOR A HALF ASSED BETA!
then release another version 8 months later and epect everyone to be happy with it
@124- If everybody stopped getting the "first version" of every game, why the f@ck would Capcom want to release updates anyway? Do you even know how business works? They'd have lost all their money on making a game nobody bought, and they wouldn't have any resources to make an update. And in the end, EVERYBODY would bitch about them not adding more content, on disc or DLC.
Truth. I'm used to 3 or more iterations of the Street Fighter series but not with Marvel and I don't expect it with SFxT either. This really disappointed me and I'm not going to get it until Capcom addresses this and comes up with another way to go about doing this. Really it should've been DLC because two releases of the same game in one year? What the hell!? Anyways I'll wait for 3rd strike online and I'll stick with AE. This game is a disappointment to the Marvel Vs. Capcom series that once was. Maybe I'll revert to MVC2, I had more fun with that game anyways. Anybody agree?
@Ice9 Like I stated before, Using a YOUTUBE video to generalize the entire population of the world,, let alone the fighting game community is still illogical, no matter how many likes/dislikes it gets from now till November. I'm not trying to start a fight. I'm just pointing out how illogical it is. Example: Justin Beiber has over a million dislikes his "Baby" music video on youtube. He still has over a MILLION fans that like him that probably never posted like/dislike on his video.
endless mode was the only used mode in SSF4 that he talked about and characters aren't useless if they play fun. I'll die of laughter if a bunch of the new characters are super tournament viable and they don't look so useless. 2 games in the same year is really nuts, but this game sounds like it brought a lot more than either of SF4's upgrades. If you all think the game is soooo unfinished you sound of like you hate it why are you mad about another one being made so soon. If you hate the "unfinished" original you will probably hate the follow up. Learn from that mistake.
I just paid off my copy of UMvC3 today, actually.
Can't wait.
This man deserves a "umad?" from the internet. Also, this man either greatly overvalues tournament mode, or he's a tool who is just trying to hype it up to make UMvC3's additions look bad. Online tournament organizers don't even use tournament mode.
Also his idea for DLC is dreadful. BlazBlue tried the "if you don't like that one you don't have to pay for it" model, and look what happened. No one bought any of them because they were overpriced. If Capcom went the BlazBlue route you'd be able to pick-and-choose your DLC characters, but Joe said it himself: 6 of the characters are good and 6 are bad. In other words, for people like Joe they'd be out about $48 (before tax) if they pay for the "good" 6. And then what happens to the people who want all of them? Are they going to be forced to pay over $100 (after tax) for character DLC?
And that's just one issue with this guy's argument. What about the additional new modes Capcom says are coming? What of the redesigned interface that, aside from the assist character health meters (which Capcom says they'll tweak)? This guy can scream "patch" all he wants, but that doesn't magically stop Capcom from having to PAY for all those changes. Labor takes time and time costs money. If you want a free patch it's going to look a lot like the previous MvC3 patches that fixed a handful of glitches and that was it.
Also, I love how he thinks that not buying this game is going to convince Capcom to bundle these characters for the original MvC3. Here's what really happens in that situation. No one buys UMvC3 and then Capcom stops making the franchise again because they're not about to take an even larger hit by taking everything they just failed to sell and put it out as optional DLC, which costs even more money because they have to pay to put it on digital storefronts.
@132 Since when did you think I care if they stop making MVC3 updates, SFxT updates, and SFIV updates? I don't. If you were smart enough to realise if you didn't buy it they'd have to change something about their structure and the way they sell their games. It's not skin off of my back. Capcom has to earn my money. They earn it with quality products. I guess the Walmart generation doesn't understand this. See there is this thing called quality. You should look into it. You buy quality stuff it lasts. You buy *hit, 6 months later you have to buy a new one : )
The fact that he and so many of the sheep that post comments think it's the 'same game', when existing roster sees changes, mechanics see changes and 12 characters are added, is kinda scary.
You'd expect such major changes/addition to the game's CIRE GAMEPLAY to mean something
Like I said before I never bought a DLC and stuck w/ vanilla SFIV b/c I thought what capcom does is ridiculous. I disagree with @138, but he does make some very valid points.
However, in the very end, sales will dictate what capcom does. If people are willing to pay for UMVC3 then why not keep doing this? If they release a new disc every month for %100 and people buy them (albeit with complaining) why not do it? If they don't sell they will have to change their tactics. With that said, it seems many many others are satisfied with the way capcom is doing things! I'm surprised, but apparently this is what the majority of the players want... The rest of us just have to live with it until the community's opinion at large remains unchanged = No longer buy upgrades at will
@139 YOU might not care. But I do care if they stop updating their games. Why do people like to assume their opinion is greater then everybody elses? Or they assume everybody agree's with their opinion? Also if we did not buy MvC3, what makes you think they are going to try something like that again?
@130 There there, time flies OK? I knew that MML3 was cancelled, but just because that MML3 was cancelled doesn't mean that you'll get upset. It wasn't Keiji Inafune's fault.
#135
And as you might have observed, I NEVER IMPLIED THAT TO BE THE CASE OR CONTRARY TO IT.
Stating the obvious is not the same as making a point. Trying to challenge the statement you made is asinine, but making the statement in itself was folly as you made it knowing it could be faulted based on the premise you yourself made by 'implying' an idea with a moot point.
It's a 'defense' that's been done countless times and has never since widespread use ever been grounds for establishing a final point in the case that you're trying to present. It doesn't in any way cancel or deteriorate the goal and/or purpose of my post as there is a values dissonance between what you and I are trying to gauge. Because of what you feel compelled to believe, you put yourself on the spot and exposed personal bias of your own for reasons quite far from necessary.
That's the negligence you brought to the table and I'm not responsible for it. I don't even want to know why you thought it was a good idea to bring up here since it has just about as much value or weight as any response listed anywhere with a simple 'lol' anywhere else.
I tried to be nice and give you your one warning.
Don't blame me, I'm not responsible for how you feel after the fact.
know whats really funny
i GUARNTEE least 3/4s the ppl in this thread are gonna
get off here and go play what? more likely SSF4AE or MvC3.
why dont yall cry about real problems I personally think MVC3 is awesome i see nothing wrong with it. Yall are just butt hurt that you gotta wait till Nov to get the nerfs on the chars you hate/get beat down with. Get over it already
@140 it's because there wasn't as much people being mad that there game is not made yet as there is now
Considering that MvC3 required a lot of fixing they made a smart move pushing out ultimate soon and if Mvc3 wasn't popular there wouldn't even be an Ultimate Mvc3. You would also never see Mvc4 until another 10 years passed. Every company comes out with expansions/patches to their games on a yearly basis, the ignorance in this thread is amazing.
This guy is assuming that players will only buy characters they like but I find that very hard to believe. I think the majority of players would like to have there select screen complete. I mean, you might not like a character but what if your freinds or family do? Bundling them together is way better than buying them seperately because it's also cheaper. Plus, your getting more than characters in Ultimate. Even if you don't count spectator mode and balancing. You get new stages, new colors, new characters, additional online modes, improved netcode, new special moves/hypers for mvc3 veterans, etc. Now, imagine how many updates and add-ons you would have to buy. Ultimate is good deal regardless of how you look at it. Yeah it sucks that Capcom released it so soon after MvC3 but it's not a new game. And that's something that a lot of people fail to see. It's an extension of MvC3 so you shouldn't expect so much. Now, if it was MvC4 and that's all they are adding, then we have a problem.
@DrewGrimey Where were you during SF3 back in 97?
@120 So because I see this as a better deal than going through the process of paying $5 per character I'm leaving my brain at home? You sure are making a whole lot of assumptions.. Must feel good to be perfect all the time, while you have given no good viable reason why THIS is bad aside from you having this perceived sense of "They should have gotten it right the 1st time". All you have done is marginalized those who want it as "brainless".
The answer is this, the world owes you nothing, and there are parties you can join or not. I'm glad they re-balancing the game, I'm glad they are adding 12 characters, and all the other bells and whistles. Sorry ME spending MY money bothers you in some way. Keep diluting yourself thinking that "quality" products are meant to last forever, because THAT is bad for business. Just think about it, here have this car that NEVER dies. We'd all be still be driving Model Ts.
Now, I've agreed with Angry Joe on some of his videos in the past, but a glaring problem with him is that he never does enough research before he makes his videos and ends up spouting nonsense as fact. This video is a prime example of this.
-Capcom never said that Spectator Mode is the only extra mode they are adding.
-He failed to mention that characters are getting more colors.
-He didn't know that the current characters were getting new moves, which is why they were being shown off at the beginning of the trailer since you could clearly see those moves being displayed.
-He didn't bother to mention that the netcode is being revamped.
-He complained that Capcom should poll fans in regards to who they want to see in the game...which they did, and if you go back and check, a majority of the new characters being added are from those polls.
-I find it hard to believe that he is not aware that Marvel ultimately decides who gets added from their side, especially when Capcom reps repeatedly beat this fact into our heads whenever the topic of character selection comes up in any interview or article. If he's upset by the inclusion of Marvel characters like Hawkeye, he should at least point his anger at the right people.
-He failed to realize that Capcom DID patch vanilla MvC3. Granted, it wasn't anywhere near as often as we would have liked but it is not as if they didn't do it at all.
-Capcom already stated that they halted DLC plans due to the tsunami in Japan that forced them to temporary close down their offices and send employees home. I'm sure a lot of skeptical people out there are going to call BS on this, but considering that other companies also had to temporarily close down their Japanese offices, it is HIGHLY likely that this is true.
He is right that the only way to change this type of business strategy is to not buy games like these, but in order for that to happen, enough people have to clearly be put off by games like these. But they're not, because some of us believe that 40 dollars is a reasonable price for a game like this. 40 dollars for 12 characters is less than 3.50 per character, seems fair to me, and that's not even including the other things they're adding.
While I was angry at 1st, I thought about it, and buying 12 characters at $5 a pop would be very pricey. On characters alone, your saving $20.
Either way, I'm glad it's on a disk. I'll be buying used, and Capcom won't see a dime from me.
I just love watching pro and anti gaming propaganda. Too good!
But I gotta say, if there was no internet at all in 2011, people would buy all five versions of "DAT ULTIMAHVAA" just like SFII, SFIIT, and SSFII on SNES.
With that said, glad the interwebs is around. Good job AJ.
Joe's rant about not buying this = change is skeptical.
Like others said, Capcom may or may not listen regardless of the sales...BUT the REAL WAY FOR CHANGE IS...
TO GET ON THEIR UNITY SITE, on their TWITTER and VOICE YOUR OPINION TO THEM!!!
more importantly...WHY!
Dont complain here...go to CAPCOM-UNITY and do it there!!!
what? too lazy?
A lot of people are giving Angry Joe sh!t about the video but the dude does have a point in most cases. ESPECIALLY in the last minute of the video.
He brought up great points about how MK9 is handling their DLC too. With Freddy Krueger aside (which I am SOOOOO geeked about regardless), they have listened to almost every fan demand and made the $75 anyone has invested into that game worth every penny (that is if you are an MK fan to begin with).
Capcom is slowly but surely losing a lot of respect from fans. I almost cant wait to see the numbers for UMvC3 after its released after seeing everyone so pissed about the announcement of UMvC3. We'll see how many people (like myself) will stick to their word and not feed into this bullsh!t by not buying it and MAYBE, JUST MAAAAAYBE getting it used.
@#166
The ones who are pissed are the people who go '12 new characters? Changes in the cast? Not a big deal in a fighting game'.
And Angry Joe is the man who went 'I live Civilization 5 because now, even I can play it!'.
Not because of it's merits, but because he was too stupid to play 4.
When you know crap about fighting games and have such silly priorities, the argument just falls apart.
Well for us tournament providers and players ill pay 40$ because it would have been a hell of a lot more for all the DLC characters. Also I think for the casual player this would be ass but for the competitive player its just part of the package. P.S. Online + Fighting games = ass anyway no matter how good the connection is.
...huh. I have to say, I'm not surprised by Capcom's decision (well, aside from the fact it came so early), and honestly after some thought, it makes sense.
At the end of the day, either you buy it or you don't. I've actually managed to get slightly back into MvC3 and I'm looking forward to the new characters and modes. So, for me, right now it's a tentative "buy."
Another way to look at it, is that they likely would have charged separately for each thing they're adding (400 MS points per character, maybe 400-800 for Spectator mode, 100 per stage or something like that)... so in the end, I'm just buying all the content on a new disc.
Essentially, I'd probably be paying the same if not more for the DLC than I am for the upgrade.
And hey, I bought Blazblue for full price and teh DLC I've bought has already exceeded somewhere in the neighborhood of $20... for three characters (and colors - yes I'm a DLC whore).
Anyhow, it's not a bad deal. I think the timing is horrible from a PR standpoint, but I'm all for new content in whatever way it's delivered. At least they're actually willing to improve the game, even if it means a new disc in the end.
My worthless thoughts on it, anyway. :p
There sure are a lot of people raging about UMvC, who are prolly gonna end up buying it, anyways. You may say you're not gonna get it, you may say you're boycotting it to teach capcom a less. but the fact is, you are prolly gonna buy it anyways. because the very fact that you are on eventhubs.com shows that you are that big of a fighting game fan.
@139- And since when did not having something that's in a LATER game denote bad quality? That's just your opinion.
Get this, [edited]. Not buying a game does not tell companies they have to change their selling methods. It tells them that the initial product was not worth their time, and eventually, fighting games as a whole are not worth their time. Did we see any new SF games between SF3 and 4? F@ck no.
If people want changes and more content to an existing game, it's only good for the community and the company to deliver, because real sequels (not that hackneyed Tekken sh!t with 3/4 characters a game) take at least five years to conceptualize and produce. They're not gonna put their schedule on hold just so they can add EVERY request people have before the "vanilla" edition is even finished, and then sell it at the same $60 price. Game development doesn't work like that, d!ckhead. Titles are given set budgets and deadlines for a reason. If you think you can make a game with 50 characters FROM SCRATCH and not suffer a big loss in investments, you're f@cking retarded.
Hmmmm in a way I kind of agree with Angry Joe. But there is just one teeny tiny problem with his rant.
Capcom is a Japanese company. Their Corporate practices is very different from American and European. Seth has said this a bazillion times. Capcom is a very traditional company. They don't like to try new things and take big risk. Things like Spectator Modes, Button Config in Character Select screens, GGPO, all these things and more is new and risky. It takes an incredible amount of convincing and coaxing from Seth and Sven to get Capcom to give the green on these things. They've been successful.
Typcially a boycot on an American game would normally convince the company to quickly jump to satisfy their fanbase demands. But Japanese companies are different. You boycot a Japanese game and they are not gonna bend over backwards to make changes. They will just call it a loss and not make it anymore.
Angry Joe does'nt realize this so I won't nag on his ignorance of the idea, but he is'nt lying. You buy this game and it tells Capcom, this is ok. But not buying it may have the opposite effect you may NOT want.
My suggestion is to pour Seth Killian and Svenson as well as Niitsumas twitter, facebook and email accounts with your opinion on this idea.
Listeeeeeeenennnnnnnnn!!!!!!!
PEOPLE!!!!! SO what if angry forgot to mention 2 new color palmettes or 8 new stages we have to be real here and capcom is giving us less than ssf4 for the umvc3! And I saw a comment that said they did a fan vote. Um....Vergil,Phoenix w, strider, and frank west were the only top requests. None of the rest were even top ten! I'm serious the RACCOON!!! over black widow,gambit,cyclops,black panther!! Some actually wanted characters not the coon his series was SH!t it only ran 4 issues! Idc if it were limited he sucks as a character in general! Maybe they will announce more info but for right now hold on to your preorders man!!! We can't let capcom butt f#ck us again it's not fair. And another guy talking about gas money 40$, not everyone has a car. Take the f#ckin bus and save this earth you d!ck. 40$ is not easy money to throw away for a half ass game!. Unless you're rich or got money to blow. Not the case for me.So I wanna spend quality money
@183
I'm not... Comfortable with your comment, lol.
Not only is the grammar and sentence structure in general just horrendous. But did you really just use the word coon to describe Black Panther? Are we really still in the 1950s?
This guy is ignorant, he is acting like a child and you allow this, But you want to complain that capcom is giving you what you want, lets do some simple math a DLC character is 5$ and your getting 12 for 40$ last time i checked 12x5 was 60 not 40 thier giving you a deal, so stop giving this kind of idiot money by watching and suscribing to his stuff he is nothing more than an idiot that cant get over that the fans got what they wanted, capcom is not a bad company, And people can we STOP compairing capcom fighting games to Mortal Kombat 9, STOP how many good fighting games does capcom give you a year 3-5 and the 3 mortal kombat games before this were trash and you try to compaire the 2 WTF people i rented MK9 and felt it was trash, people have thier own oppinions, i feel they put the "Super" meter or w/e they call it in just to be like street fighter, oh i almost forgot you can use this meter to make your special attacts stronger, or fill it all the way up and do a "X-Ray" for big damage its just a super meter people get over it.
@183 I hope you are trolling, if not then Clearly you did not listen to Capcom repeatedly say "They have NO CONTROL OVER MARVEL CHARACTERS". Second its not our fukin fault you can't afford 40 dollars. Why don't you get a job or earn some extra cash by selling your other games you lazy ass bum.
Lol everything he said was hella true but idc, I spend $40 a day on drinks so $40 on a game I enjoy is worth it.
Oh shiiiittt... I look really dumb right now, I just realized he was talking about Rocket Raccoon... LOL
@194
Oh & i forgot to call you a kid to add spice to my post.
(Lol.)
This guy yells to much.as long as they include Jill and Shuma without stupid DLC,im happy.Im still getting this regardless,its a decent deal for me,yea im pissed about it too,we havent even seen how the rest of the characters play out.
@196
Sorry you feel that way my son.
Your words matter not.
LOL I CANT STOP LAUGHING O my god more than half of you are idiots you listen closer to this idiot than you did listen to Seth Killian or Natsumi. Remember what they said at the end of comic-Con "We will be adding more modes as time goes on but for right now were only talking about spectator mode. There is alot of 1 player treats we add as far as modes go so stay tuned"(S-kill)
i mean really Ono and several other members of capcom has agreed that they Don't like "divideing there community with dlc.". Obviously capcom is in the same spirit they dont want to divide the buyers over a large list of characters so what to do they do? They do: the same thing they did for street fighter 2, the same thing they did for street fighter alpha, for street fighter 3, for street fighter EX Hell they do the same thing capcom has done for the last 20 years with all of there games! They bundle it and sell as if it were brand new.Seriously how many times did we buy capcom vs snk the last one they didn't even add a character and we paid how much for it ah yes $59.99.
This guy is nothing more than a spoiled little brat that thinks all of the companys should be the same. Sorry but capcom plays by there own rules just like how Namco,Ark and NetherRealm plays by their own rules too. To expect one to act like the other is asking on to give up his values and sell out.
Next the characters This whole game as far as the characters go is nothing but a huge advertisement for marvel. So yea hawkeye got in because of the movie. Bottom line Whats mega man got going in the works for him? What new style of game play can he offer its not like we don't already have two great representations already for mega man. Capcom always comes out with these list and we always think that "oh this character is a waste" But look at she Hulk was she a waste? Thats cause capcom made her into one give it time just like many other capcom characters you play them not for how they look but for how they feel.
Finally this guy has no idea how capcom works he thinks if we boycott the game capcom will go back and sell it online........HA THATS BS AND EVEN HE SHOULD KNOW IT. What happened when darkstalkers sales fell; what happend when rival schools couldn't reach its estimate; Hell what happened to THE MEGA MAN X SERIES YOU ALL SEEM TO LOVE SO MUCH when X8 didn't do so hot.
The answer they all vanished gone capcom moved on to the next project quicker then you could say "NO WAIT COME BACK" Capcom isn't very forgiving to failed projects that they think have no future. Even now Ono is scraping and screaming for the return of darkstalkers. its been well over 2 years no and his progress has been slow and not very steady at all .
In the end i know i was buying this game from the get go i waited ten years for this game to come out i refuse to wait another second just cause you guys can't find 40 dollars that's my objection.
For those wondering if #202 was Rage Fanboy Ranting , he was.
So i just saved you the trouble of reading his / her post.
@204
thats sad he should of been ignored from the get go i cnat believe i wasted time commenting on it twice o by the way SBO quals are up http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E9%97%...
I hope that works lol
Angry or not. Committed? Maybe.
Still the "loud screaming douche-nozzle" has a more than valid point.
Do you all remember MVC2?
The more you played the more was unlocked. But it was all there right? Colors, characters, stages.
But as soon as they saw how easily it was to cash in on fan-service that was it.
There's no outrage. And if someone "Angry-rants" They are either ignored, agreed with, or obviously ridiculed.
ok this is getting way out of hand.
guys lets just keep this nice a simple ok. if you dont wont to give capcom your money (like me) but still want to get Umvc3 then buy it used or rent it for a month from gamefly(great now im advertising their company). i still need foolish people buying it so i can get it cheaper anyways.
What it really comes down to is time and money. Most of us here spent $60 on MvC3 and found it to be lacking in a ton of ways. Now we have to buy UMvC3 in order to get a game that IS STILL NOT COMPLETE....That's $100 for a game that doesn't have everything it's supposed to. Don't get me wrong, I understand that they'll be adding more stuff to it later on, but I think they've had enough time to work on it and bring it to us on the release date; we're not asking them to reinvent the wheel, just to add modes they've already done in the past to SSF4. As far as the additional characters goes, Well I don't see how Capcom did wrong there, seems fine to me.
Also, what about everyone who bought vanilla? They should have something extra for having spent the money, otherwise those who are just getting into the game have the same amount of content we have without spending the extra $60. Sure we've had the game for 5 months, but that's a pretty small amount of time.
@209
Troll.
Sweet & simple.
Thats what your alias is at this point & time.
@#204
People get emotional when it comes to their investment of time+money. When things are in danger of feeling like wasted effort...THIS happens.
like the guy in the video said:
"WE DONT NEED IT!"
all these complaints
"WE DONT NEED IT!"
the idea of capcom milking us
"f**k it throw it out!"
people getting all emotional
"DONT NEED IT!"
I'm guessing no one is going to tell me where he got the helmet from. :(
LOL @215
Its the only part of the entire video i liked i wish i could help you..
@210
You do realize that by renting it from some where or buying it used you are still paying some one for the game sooner or later every dime you spend will find its way back to the creator. Its just a matter of time capcom is very patient. What Im saying here is if you wanna beat the system then you gotta download it.
Saw a few people comment on if this story should have been posted on EHubs or not. Just wanting to let you guys know we saw the feedback, and I've also let the other people on the EHubs team know they should hop back into this thread and check it out as well.
For those of you flinging personal insults around, please get familiar with the site rules linked above every comment form here on the website. This behavior is not allowed.
Couldn't last a minute watching this guy. I think I'll just get UMVC3. Why? Well why would I want MvC3 when there is a better version out there? and 40 bucks is nothing. We live in a time where the value of a dollar is down. So why are we complaining on how much money it is? Everyone has their opinions. If you don't like the idea of a new game coming out so soon. Then enjoy the obsolete game of MvC3 while everyone else will get UMvC3.
Wow i guess there are just mad capcom fanboys here, he does sound annoying but most of the things he said are true, capcom makes a sh!t product and then releases a complete version 9 months later and every just acts like everything is cool. I think too many of these casual players live at home and have their parents buying their games..
I'll address this as simple as I can for everyone to read and hopefully you idiots will comprehend.
1: Don't compare Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Marvel vs Capcom 3. MSH vs SF is more compared to Marvel vs Capcom 2 than any other previous cross over game.
2: Marvel vs Capcom 2 might of had 52 playable characters. However, during it's early time. We were using ALL of them till we exploited it. By exploit, we didn't find it's glitches. We found it's potential (Infinite, Guard Break, S. Jump cancel into AHVB x5, etc).
3. Marvel vs Capcom 3 is more broken than Marvel vs Capcom 2, period. Marvel vs Capcom 2 can't kill 2 characters without a meter nor a regular combo. However, Marvel vs Capcom 3 can because of OTGs (that you can do over and over) and enable X-Factor to reset the damage scale. Even AHVB isn't close to killing two characters with 2 meters unlike Marvel vs Capcom 3.
4. CAPCOM is always full of excuses. For the idiot that said Spectator isn't a requirement? Of course spectator is a requirement. The whole purpose of a spectator is to view your buddy vs his opponent to understand what you're doing wrong, etc. Channel replay could help or YouTube. But, at the same time. You can interact with a buddy and see what you're doing wrong.
5. Also, adding Strider after multiple excuses is unacceptable when they could of added him ages ago.
6. Also, 95% of you people suck at Marvel vs Capcom 2. You guys can't ROM, Unfly, infinite, guard break, etc. Get over yourself and stop acting like you're too good in Marvel vs Capcom 3 when it's a friendly game. BnB. GTFO and learn the executions.
Just to throw this out there, MvC2 have 56 including more then 5 clone characters. And out of All 56 characters, only at most 10 is viable at that. Also, you just said DON'T compare MvC2 to MvC3 yet you go and say "MvC3 is more broken MvC2". MAke up your mind please. Also, Strider is JOINTLY owned by Capcom and another Manga company. You do not work at Capcom so you have no clue what they were able to do at said time. Anyway, 90% of people that say MvC3 sucks either A. Never played the game and think its "cool" to say it sucks, or B. They suck at the game.
Here's what I have to say. He's pretty much right. I'm at the point where I like MvC3 a lot, so I will buy Ultimate to keep up with the game. HOWEVER, Capcom has completely lost my sale for Street Fighter X Tekken for the first few months. I'll keep up with the game and see if they are maybe gonna pull something like this again. If not, I'll buy it. Its true, I'm not happy about potentially being late to get into a new fighting game, but it's something I'll have to do.
@211
Seriously, we'd better get something better than those stupid alternate colors from SSF4. When Nintendo screwed up with the 3DS pricing, they gave people that already bought one 20 free games. 20 FREE GAMES!!!! And not crappy games either. Really great, classic NES and GBA games, some of which will only be available to these people. I wish Capcom would do something like that.
#228
Congrats. You manage to correct me in characters wise. Clones? Who gives a F*** about clones. They play different in so many f***ing ways. Shoto...They're the same...Really? Better yet...Cyke can't be in there because he's a clone of Ryu?
Marvel vs Capcom 2 has only 10 viable characters? Actually, it doesn't. There are more than 10 VIABLE characters you can kick ass with. Even if it's online. You won't be facing the best of the best except J360, Mixup, Khaos, and clockw0rk online time to time.
Also, you didn't get the concept of broken game and by comparing. People say MvC2 is broken because it has infinite. Guess what? Marvel vs Capcom 2 and it's previous game were ALWAYS about the HIGHEST COMBO performance. It wasn't about 5 hit combo into a special. While in other hand. Marvel vs Capcom 3 is more about 6 hit combo into OTG into another 6 hit combo into X Factor and killing.
Marvel vs Capcom 2 takes SKILLS. Marvel vs Capcom 3 doesn't. Don't f***ing DENY IT. Because OTGs into repetitive combo isn't f***ing hard scrub. Don't act like in 10 years or so. Marvel vs Capcom 3 will have all it's special unlocked because face it. You guys cry and bitch about an infinite. It's going to get patched because you can't block low or high.
He is 100% right, there's nothing you can say to counter his argument PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!. LOL! This should be spam on Capcom Unity and SRK just to annoy them.
Sad thing is, that I agree with him, I said that he was right but Strider is in this game and because of that I'll definitely buy it.
He still is right about everything.
@12
megaman x along with other fan favorites such as venom and gene will be the updated characters in Hyper MVC3 only $39.99 coming out on january 2012!!! with the all new ENDLESS BATTLEEE MODE
(replay mode will come with Galactic MVC3 out on june 2012 srp $ 39.99)
As for Strider. They mentioned the situation about it. Because of his animation and because of his orbs using a lot of processor.
dunno why I'm seeing this idiot and his fans saying ssf4 had free balance updates and free spectator mode ,you are aware you had to buy this game right?
sf4 had far less in it than mvc3 and the super upgrade was less than umvc3
but super is ok because of 3 months difference?
people play real ignorant when they think its cool
what replays? not a big deal n I couldn't care less
I hate when I hear people bash the marvel characters n blame capcom like marvel don't have control of who they want in. not only that but how can he say " we" there are plenty of people who like the characters announced .add in the fact that 8 characters have no gameplay ,
you can't defend sports games they are far worse , they could change the teams around in a patch so you didn't need a new one they could do kits in the same style they don't and people buy happily every single year .
you think cod could not do the next games story as dlc n patch online? of course they could but they don't
You guys love to justify, thats right bend over and take it.
@234 there is more to fighting games then combos. Weather it be MVC2,MVC3,SSFIV,SF2,SF3,Tekken whatever it takes time and dedication to learn and play those games at a high lvl. It takes spacing, footsies, matchup knowledge, Frame data, Good execution (by the way lets see you play viper like Marlin Pie) Give me a break dude. MVC2 was great and no one is forcing you to play MVC3. So there is your argument. There maybe somethings harder in MVC3 then in MVC2. You are arguing opinions and unfortunately that is what we call a fallacy.
It is funny how this argument was brought up in a forum that was a totally different topic.
HE does have a point it they are gonna make people buy the game again then these other things should and need to be done as well.
-More than 8 New Stages(NOT ALTER VERSION of the same STAGE-THAT IS SO CHEAP!!!)-Capcom even said in a interview that some of the new stages were not new stages just alter version of previous stages-WTF???REALY???
-Tournament Mode
-1v1 Mode Online
-Replay save System
-Youtube feature(From SFIII 3rd Strike)
-More chracters:
CAPCOM: Captain Commando(I mean really he was in both MVC1&2 so WTF?He's the Captain for the CAPCOM side.LoL) Megaman X(No I' not a fan, but Im just trying to be fair to others.), Gene, Donovan, Blanka, Kenji, Juri, Seth, Asura & M.Bison.(Capcom with out Bison is like Marvel with No Magneto)
MARVEL: Blade, Elektra, Gambit, Venom, Mandarin, Havok, Rouge, Mysterio, Silver Samurai, & Cable
The guy is a tool. but hes RIGHT about EVERYTHING..
I wont be buying this crap.
- Spectator mode should have been in from the begining, and EVERYBODY knows it. Or at least it should have been FREE DLC
- Half the 12 new characters are utter trash.. Hawkeye?, Ironfist?, Rocky Racoon? seriously?!
- X-Factor is still in... :(
- Every character now has "a mashable move"
- Rebalancing?! Should have been in FREE PATCHES
I felt ripped off after i bought MvC3. Im NOT STUPID, ive learnt my lesson, and im NOT buying this shoddy update.
HE does have a point it they are gonna make people buy the game again then these other things should and need to be done as well.
-More than 8 New Stages(NOT ALTER VERSION of the same STAGE-THAT IS SO CHEAP!!!)-Capcom even said in a interview that some of the new stages were not new stages just alter version of previous stages-WTF???REALY???
-No X-Factor Mode(LOL!!!)
-Tournament Mode
-1v1 Mode Online
-Replay save System
-Youtube feature(From SFIII 3rd Strike)
-More chracters:
CAPCOM: Captain Commando(I mean really he was in both MVC1&2 so WTF?He's the Captain for the CAPCOM side.LoL) Megaman X(No I' not a fan, but Im just trying to be fair to others.), Gene, Donovan, Blanka, Kenji, Juri, Seth, Asura & M.Bison.(Capcom with out Bison is like Marvel with No Magneto)
MARVEL: Blade, Elektra, Gambit, Venom, Mandarin, Havok, Rouge, Mysterio, Silver Samurai, & Cable
I don't even have to watch the video, in every video this guy has ever made he just points out the obvious but yells it, so he feels like he is doing something. He is a man child :/
Sadly, some people in the comments here are actually swayed by this....it shows the average age on this web sight is 13 year old children.
AJ hasnt "swayed" me. I made up my own mind as soon as uMvC3 was announced. Im not wasting anymore money on any MvC3 versions. The game is utter BS, and as long as XF is in it, it will remain broken and far too scrub friendly
@ 248
Then the idea of Air X-Factor must make you vomit?
Ya say that but he makes great points there's no denying that. Who is rocket racoon and nova; hell who's hawkeye? MvC3 has an archer who's also a swordsman and has a gun, we didn't need him. I'm not bothered about Megaman but a lot of people were; he should've been put in.
The biggest thing for me is the price though, if ssf4 retailed at £25 on release then UMvC3 is nowhere near worth what it's gonna be worth.
I didn't buy MvC3, so was planning to buy UMvC3 but after watchin this don't think I want to let Capcom get away with this cause they'll carry on doing the same thing for other titles like sfxT, Darkstalkers, Rival Schools (if they ever make another one). The content will be less for more money. Yeah screw that...
About the game features
Capcom set up a new standard in fighting games with the release of SSF4 and that is something that they need to understand. At this time is unacceptable not be able to have features like spectator mode and save replays. It is like not be able to change button config back in the 90s. These features are great and they are something that you be included on all fighting games from now on without any excuses.
About the roster
I agree with #4 this update is not good enough for be an acceptable update. 12 characters are not good enough and they still missing some requested and fan favorite characters like Gene from God Hand, Mega Man X, Captain Commando and Jin Saotome.
Marvel vs Capcom 2 have 56 characters. Why the third game need to have less????... both companies have so many characters that they can use in the game.
All that they did was to pay for the Strider Hiryu license to include him in the game and add other "free" requested characters like Phoenix Wright, Frank West, Vergil and Nemesis (all those characters should have been in since the beginning...). We are still missing some very good brands like Onimusha, Sengoku Basara, Power Stone, Rival Schools, etc.
On the Marvel part things are worst. Only 2 of the requested characters are in the game (Ghost Rider and Dr.Strange) and the characters from the top of the poll were completely ignored. No one wanted Hawkeye in the game... no one...
I was a bit pissed when I heard about them making another version long before it was actually announced. I mean, the rumors started about 3 months after release. But meh, I'd much rather pay 40 now than a whole summer and fall worth of ten dollar dlc packs and a free balancing/spectator pack anyways. Also, keep petitioning your characters out there guys so that we can see a Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 Arcade Edition next year.
I honestly dont get where people come off saying that its unfinished. If you liked the game I wouldnt call it unfinished. If you didnt like the game, then well, your comments are obvious and to you, are proven. Just remember, if you have an opinion, its yours. people telling you youre on the bandwagon or are on someones nuts is probably just a cynic who will hate whatever is done regardless unless its 100% their idea.
On a side note, I, personally, cant wait to see Nemesis in action!
I love all these people who say, "I don't agree with this guy, valid points mean nothing to me! He's just yelling!". Well first off, his name is Angry Joe, that's his thing, like it or not that's why people watch it. Second, you're exactly what he's talking about. "I don't care, I'll throw my money at Capcom", that's exactly what companys WANT you to think, They WANT you not to ask questions and just give them your money.
I really don't think Capcom is so "Screw the fans" as they did Street Fighter Third Strike for the fans and usually the character polls produce SOME results, but this guy is right, you're being swindled and because you're too lazy to care, you're going to keep getting swindled.
If it was a 20 dollar non disc add on, with a disc copy for those who want it (Like AE) I would say it's fair, but for you all to say this guy is wrong and that you don't care and that your views are opposite, I think you're stupider than this guy for screaming every 10 seconds.
#152
Logic?
http://dictionary.reference.com/brows...
I never took to a defense and I never needed to. You just now claimed my defense to be Illogical when I made it clear that I didn't need to take one, specifically because what you stated never held any bearing.
You engaged me and I pointed out that YOU took to a defensive for whatever reason you thought was valid when there never was one.
1. I never targeted you in that post.
2. I never engaged you in an argument over who is right or wrong because there was no need. All I did was made clear that you faulted your own self by referencing my post while neglecting it's meaning. You read into it what you want to make of it instead of knowing why I did. You're still ignoring it, almost like you're doing it on purpose to start some kind of argument that need not exist at all.
3. My post did not concern you to begin with.
4. My views remain unchanged.
5. Your post has no weight on my own no matter what it is you wish to think about it, whatever possessed you to believe this is beyond me and I still don't wish to know why you don't grasp that.
If you can't comprehend this, then it might be suggested that you find out why it is you don't understand as opposed to why I'm not bothering to engage you. The use of the word "illogical" does not apply when your own failure to comprehend the situation creates a personal upset with you specifically.
Must be nice to put out a game that lacks content, has numerous glitches, an unbalanced roster, piss poor netcode, and an ill-conceived comeback mechanic and watch it sell just off of hype. Then you can put out a new game less than a year later that promises to make good on all of that.
So that leaves people with the following choices:
1. Cut your losses and sell your game whose value has been depreciated thanks to the announcement of a new edition.
2. Keep an already flawed game which will only get worse once it is abandoned by its community as well as its developer.
3. Kick in another 40 bucks for something you should probably have received in the first place.
Capcom has a nice little scheme going here and the best part is the fanboys enjoy getting bent over from time to time.
I will buy this game just for the online. But before that I will (like must of you here) download UMvC3 that thursday/friday (for a little practice and some show and tell hello facebook lolz) morning when its leaked. Then sell it to my friends for say $20 (some of them dont have psn/xboxlive so they dont care they just want to play the game and if they do have psn/live they will want to play it early) make like $500 dollars or more then buy the game (retail) that tuesday morning you screw me capcom I screw you well I do that to alot of games hahaha.
i am subscribing to Angry Joe... He is dead on about UMVC3.... Awesome video
Even though it was a tirading rant, I completely agree with Angry Joe. I've had the same feelings since I saw the announcement of UMvC3. It's a shame that it took someone OUTSIDE of the community to speak up about this.
It's not that I'm against Capcom releasing a new version of a fighting game months later. I actually really like playing new versions of fighting games as they release. But this updated version is a ripoff. Angry Joe breaks it down correctly (and very angrily) of why this will affect us if we don't make a stand.
The reason why we need to make a statement now, is bc if we accept UMvC3 as it is, they will do the same thing with SFxT, which is a game that many are claiming to be an amazing fighting game. I want Capcom to treat that game right, and not treat it how they are treating MvC3.
My solution to anyone that wants to play UMcV3 really badly, but doesnt want to support Capcom's shenanigans, is to buy UMvC3 used. Buying the game used won't make Capcom a single penny. This will make Capcom's sales numbers drop, and they will have to take notice.
ok i stopped careing about this crap from a while ago like i said the man is an idiot that only knows half the story and pretends like he knows every thing. Hes a whining little brat and if you dont wanna buy the game thats fine it means the rest of us don't have to deal with you winning brats ether. But please for the love of god stop thinking your being clever getting the game used your not your just paying a different company or person who already paid capcom for the game any way seriously. And like i said before listening to S-kill closer than to this idiot is important thats what i plan on doing.
OH and by the way none of his points were valid like i said before we paid more for less in the past so capcom business model (you know the one that has been keeping them in business for years longer than this idiot has been around) probably wont change cause one game out of several they are releasing does badly. Please do remember SFXT and SFTSOE and those are just the fighting games they got coming out. What is it 3 more Normal games i think 2 more ds? Yea guys that lose of 40 wooo thats gonna hurt compared to the three other $60 dollar games(not including the $70 they charge if they do a special edition) Yea woo that will teach capcom but hey when were in year 5 of this game and your all wondering why has it been so long for this franchise just remember this thread.
well i can understand everyone that's getting angry over the game coming out twice in the same year. But remember capcom did the same thing with SF3 and Second Impact coming out withing 9 months of each other. The same thing is happening here with vanilla Mvc3 coming out in February and now theirs another one coming out in November so that makes exactly 9 months in between releases so i don't know where ppl are getting this 5 months in between releases from but still its your choice to get it on day 1 or not.
@#259
No, he has silly priorities as to what makes a good fighter, how development works and relies on theatrics to get the point across.
With his silly arguments, I can prove KoF XIII is a ripoff and hurts those who bought the 'vanilla' game.
Which is not, obviously.
How are his priorities silly? He gives a valid argument as to why this is a ripoff. Yeah, the way he delivers his point is over the top (again, the show is called Angry Joe. It's meant to be that way) If you put the yelling and screaming aside, you will see that he has a valid point.
Yeah, some may feel like this is a okay deal, but Capcom is trying to see how far they can push the limit. The upgrade may be valuable in some ppl's eyes right now, but further down the road, Capcom will start to think, "If we can get away with this, then lets try this." And these "upgrades" will get even more ridiculous. They knew everyone wanted Stryder and Phoenix Wright and Megaman. I'm almost certain they will release Megaman at some point in time in a DLC bundle with other, less desired characters. Remember, Capcom is a company FIRST, and a great game creator that satisfies it's fans SECOND.
This video is designed to do is go against the norm, to ruffle people's feathers, and get you to look beyond the obvious.
"look beyond the obvious" Ahahaha. This is the most obvious crap in the world. Everyone thinks they're clever because they say "Durr hurr I'll just wait for Super Ultimate MVC3 Arcade Edition EX!"
He's a damn CASUAL fighting game fan. He doesn't know sh*t about fighting games. He thinks it's a bad deal because he'll play the game for a week, suck at it, and then quit. whereas hardcore players will get many, many hours of entertainment and it's easily worth the money. This is why non-hardcore fighting fans shouldn't have opinions on this.
He is presumptuous as all hell, he assumes everyone thinks "6 of the 12 new characters suck" He points to Mortal Kombat as a good example- LOL!
he wants Character endings, useless offline modes and crap like Tournament mode and Team Battle from ssf4, which Ive never seen anyone use. He wants USELESS FLUFF that doesn't make the gameplay any better. He thinks Mortal Kombat is like the best fighting game ever because it has character endings and a ton of crappy offline content, LOL.
It's not because its over the top its because he has barely any facts , and don't know what he's talking about example in the first dew mins he says " look they are advertising the old characters again "
no they are showing the changes they made
he is blaming capcom for the characters MARVEL chose
he's saying the characters suck , dose he speak for everybody now? he's seem every characters gameplay has he? oh wait
his arguement is ignorant really ignorant
Is there really 5 different font types in the title of "Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3"?
l knew this, you did not predict anything, since we bought the game and play for the first time we realized it was an incomplete game, it is stupid to think you're right angry joe
It's funny. I liked this guy's Mortal Kombat review... but this video just makes him sound like an angry crybaby. Always screaming and frothing at the mouth. It felt like he should have ended the video by saying something like:
"YELLING MAKES MY POINTS MORE VALID!"
No i completely agree with his logic. Only buy characters you want. I totally hate Rocket Raccoon, a wild anthropomorphic animal, from space with a gun. He's such a rip off of Fox McCloud. I hate all of them. Come to think of it, I hate everyone in MVC3. I hate the characters I main. I'm glad he's come along to tell me that all of these characters are going to suck.
I was going to, like an idiot, purchase this game at a cheaper price point than it would have cost to buy each character as DLC, maybe go dutch on a copy with a friend since I thought offline play is better than online [Probably wrong about that too]. I'm usually BUYING so many games that it's like pfft why even play. It's not as though the replay value and joyful experience as a fan of both companies is worth forty dollars... Because that isht right there? That's alot of money for a game. I can get 40 games on an iPod for that much.
It almost makes me glad japan had an earthquake/nuclear reactor meltdown/potato. Clearly god knew what they were up to. It's not like that natural disaster would set them back or anything. It's surely not as though in an effort to maintain loyal customers despite a time of incredible turmoil they decided to take all DLC content, put it on a TANGIBLE PHYSICAL DISC, AND RELEASE IT ALL TOGETHER FOR FORTY MOTHER F!!KING DOLLARS AS OPPOSED TO $5/CHARACTERS AS AN APOLOGY FOR LATE DELIVERANCE DUE TO "our deepest apologies. it just happens to be hell over here'
Joe is right. Think about it; if you take the prices of Vanilla, Super, and AE, you've paid 140 (plus taxes) for the 'complete' version of Street Fighter IV. You might have spent a little bit more if you bought the collector's edition. but anyways, he's on point with everything he talks about. My main reasons for not having bought MvC 3 was because of the line up, the graphics, and how simple it was when compared to either MvC 1 and 2. And a personal reason was because they didn't add Strider Hiryu into the roster because 'he didn't fit in with the concept'. And with the lack of a lot of online modes and failtastic endings, MvC 3 was the abortion gone wrong. But now that they're releasing another version because of 'fan demand', it just goes to show that they did that on purpose so that enough people would complain about updating the game and such. I, for one, am willing to RENT the game, and see how it is, but I won't be willing to pay the $40 for it because they pull ANOTHER version of MvC 3 out of their asses.
I don't even want any of these characters. This game should atleast be$ 15 dlc and retail disc for $40. Idc about new menus and a new hud, I just want the original game to have really good online and balance. Why do I have to pay for balance and spectaor? I used jill and shuma not more than 5 times but that was my fault getting them. $40 isn't a lot but after spending$ 70 on a average game with bare content, im not in the mood to support capcoms decision releasing an updated game in the exact same year.Idc if there will be new modes that their not talking about.I don't believe them cause they said mvc3 was going to have a story mode and we didn't get that. They lied in front of so many people. A lie is a lie either way you look at it. Everyone says capcom has been doing this for years but never for a vs game. Vs games are supposed to be over the top and capcom knows they couldn't handle the hype.
if mega man or venom is made into dlc at a later date, it will CLEARLY show capcom is trolling us and taking our money. this really doesnt make any sense. obviously there were reasons for those two not being in the game up to this point. although there are alot of people upset with not having mega man in the game, they have accepted it. at least i have. i dont expect to see them. BUT if capcom tries at a later date to bring them in as dlc, as a consumer, you already know what this is. a person that is blind, crippled with down syndrome (no disrespect) can see that this is a clear case of money grubbing tactic. they are literally in their offices thinking of ways to troll us.
i can admit i am excited about strider, ghost rider and nemesis. but after watching this video, how can i, as a consumer accept this behavior. how can any of us. is their really a need for "ULTIMATE"? their's nothing ulitimate about it. improved netcode? it should have been on point to begin with. lets be honest people. LETS BE HONEST. if GGPO isnt the premier netcode, are you excited to hear these two words "improved netcode"?
outside of the characters and new levels, what are we paying for? what im getting it is this. IF YOU DONT BUY UMVC3 YOU CANT PLAY THE GAME WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME TO BEGIN WITH.
#29, #138, #160
I COMPLETELY agree with you guys.
First off about Joe, he has NO IDEA what he's talking about.
I do agree that from a Casual player's stand point, all of these arguments are more or less valid. HOWEVER, from the view of a competitive player, ALL OF THESE INCLUSIONS MAKE SENSE. Only real argument I can agree with him on both fronts is that Spectator mode should have been in vanilla.
-He said that he "wouldn't count the new balancing changes"
MOST important part to a competitive player. He just keeps spouting "Just patch it" over and over again, but he obviously has now idea how that works. With patching, you can only add frame/and damage balancing for the most part.
Not just that, but making a patch costs MONEY, ALOT OF MONEY. With the tsunami/earthquake, Capcom lost a good amount of money, but you know what? They lost even MORE, MILLIONS even, with the PSN outage. Such a big loss in budget even led to the cancellation of MML3 in a sense. Game wasn't good enough, instead of paying money to make it better, can it for now to save what money they had.
-With Ultimate, every character has a new move, and the gameplay mechanics are changed ALOT. Maybe not noticeable to a casual player, but all of this is enough to make competitive players crap themselves.
-"Half of the new characters suck" speak for yourself.
-This is worth all of your money, trust me.
This joe guy has a good point, but they have always done this since SF2 all the way to ssft, and you HAD to buy the new cartridge lol. By todays standards that would be considered a patch or dlc, however i do think that the characters should be individually priced though.
This game shouldn't have been called "Ultimate" in first place. It's still incomplete and there is nothing so "Ultimate" about it. If they at least considered providing actual CG endings instead of tiny slideshows, this could have been a very good deal. I think a lot of us are in a condition now to predict that Megaman & Venom are coming as DLC. And why are Jill & Shuma still DLC?(Not confirmed but I'm afraid they are). I first got excited watching the UmvC3 trailer & the character reveals, but AJ has kind of opened my eyes now.
#268 what does being a hardcore gamer have to with this being a sh!tty deal? how can a hardcore gamer say tournament mode and team battle USELESS? you make no sense.
#287 i agree. i have a feeling they are gonna pull that sh!t. im on the fence after watching joe. he had valid points all across the board.
@Murderous ... [edited] i have heard better *sigh* and yet another troll not even worth to argue with
characters individually price works. mk9 proves that.
i hate weak f**cking guppies. you followers know this is crap. you sit here agreeing with what capcom is doing and criticize us that clearly see what this is. you followers will accept anything that is put in front you. you accept bullsh!t. you accept apples tasting like bananas when it should taste like an apple to begin with. it has nothing to do with being a hardcore gamer or not. what casual gamer you know will sit and make a video that detailed. if you are gonna be a guppy than be one. but dont sit here and criticize those that clearly see that this is nothing more than sugar covered sh!t.
#53 thats what im saying. how does nova make it over those great characters.
Although I have serious problems with this particular business model, I can't rage on those who want to buy this upgrade. If all these ragers keep their word and not buy this game Capcom will be sent a clear message. Since Vanilla MvC3 sold rather well, they must be hoping that a nice percentage of those people will go for the upgrade.
If this game sells less than half of what the orignal did, this has to be considered a failure.
Then again, I am not holding my breath, as most of the complainers will be there, in the line, on release day with their 40 bucks clutched in their hands, all the while being very vocal about how they hate Capcom and everything to appear cool and hardcore, quoting "knowledge" they got from here and other forums.
Bottom line: The fools are not the ones who buy this game and enjoy it, those who buy this and then only complain about it, because they apparently don't enjoy it, they are the fools. Of course, if you want to spend 40 bucks to appear elitist and self-entitled, then it should be money well spent.
It's funny how spoiled capcom supporters are EA sports charges 60 dollars for an updated roster.
so many comments about this dude, clearly he is doing something right...
I didnt buy it the first time around, just borrowed it off a angry friend LOL. He was complaining about the lack of content and crap netcoding. so in essence the game was bad offline and online, but it was what ever to me cause i basically got to play for free :D All i know if they are gonna be throwing in certain characters THEY BETTER be worthwhile.
Hawkeyes status stuff better be decent , so that they will keep a fresh and unique thing in rotation.
rocket racoon, for better or for worst, should be played in memory of cable. As hawkeye seems to be the main marksman in the game no need for a gun version one.
Ironfist: BETTER have healing powers that affects others and himself. Something like elenas Healing(sa3) that recovers real health or something to the effect of the soul gem mechanics in marvel super heroes(including thanos super art one, both gradually recovers real health over time). And a assist type in the same vein as Jills/amingo that recovers red health(maybe small real health this time) for the character on point.
dante, phoenix, shuma can all recover red health outside of xfactor(surprised wolvy/x23/deadpool cant it part of their main thing is regenerating w/e capcom) Shouldnt be asking for much and its about the only gimmick he can fill that NO ONE else can.
Nemesis: better be the new juggernaut or colossus with a rocket launcher :D
Dr strange: better have a sorcerer like playstyle in a similar vein as Dormmamu/blackheart/quan chi/shang tsung/thanos. As they all can generally zone in ways that normal fireballer/beamers cant while being powerful and slow while doing so(like how magic should be)
If they do it like that or remotely close, capcom can take my money THIS time
The way I see it is: We paid $60 to be alpha version testers and can now buy the full version for $40. So they want us to pay $100 for one game with a patch and some bonuses.
I look at it like this... If Capcom announced that at the beginning of the year they were releasing a beta version of mvc3 for $39.99 and at the end of the year they would release the full version at $59.99 I bet you a lot of people would have still bought the beta and then the full version just because of the amount of hype this game had since it was announced. Thus everyone would spend the same amount of money that they already will..
If Capcom would have done it that way this whole controversy would have blown over a lot better. Not saying EVERYONE would have bought the beta but I don't think the sales would have been much less and Capcom wouldn't look so greedy and lazy. Overall I'll still buy it because I love the vanilla and a better version is all good for me.
Also.. Capcom did state that there are going to be more features on the game other than just the online spectator mode (They did say no replay feature though.) and those who purchased the vanilla are going to receive a bonus of some sort when they purchase UMVC3.
One of the comments already has this link but, http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/96... This picture shows how Frank West phucked us over with the old Jill, Mega Man AND possibly Black Widow! Capcom, NOBODY wanted the new Jill, nobody bought her, nobody uses her. The OLD Jill is the only Jill, I don't know who that blond slut is! Clearly not Jill! I' not buying this, because I've already wasted $60 on an alpha version. I won't pay $110 for the full game! You're phuckig insane!
fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.
AngryJoe does have some good points and the only reason the rage is there is because he's a fan of Capcom. I do find it a tad insulting that spectator mode will be included in the expansion instead of free DLC. Even if I decided not to buy Ultimate I'll have to live without spectator mode which has become pretty much standard.
@301 i agree.Im getting this day one,yea some of it sucks like Jill and Shuma still DLC!!!WTF!!!PUT THEM ON THE F@CKING DISC!!!,but im still looking forward to this,BTW They took mah job!!!
#302
Yeah, It's pretty deep when you think about it.
Most of the stuff mentioned in that image is directly referenced from interviews Capcom employees did and brought up those details.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/ja...
http://www.1up.com/news/capcom-frank-...
I don't hate Frank West's character at all, Dead Rising is an awesome series, but it can't be denied that they shoehorned the hell out of Frank at the expense of countless fans.
Since Capcom openly confessed to it, it would be suicidal to even dream of defending Frank's inclusion.
@50
"Turn the other cheek" = Walk out of the store
Can't say I watched until the mention of a time interval, as that's something I agree upon. But that hardly seems to be the focus of peoples complaints. Rather it's them saying there isn't enough for a $40 price tag, which I strongly disagree.
Also nobody realizes/pays attention that Marvel/Disney has a hand in it. Do any of you see them pushing for the holiday release?
@powderedtoastman i totally agree brotha, we were given these characters to expand gameplay...in theyre eyes obviously. Make the best out of it cus theres nothing we can do about it. As long as ONE of these characters can counter sentinel and dante im happy...but wheres Gill!!! cmon capcom
Our dollars speak MUCH LOUDER than our words.
If this is the type of game and content you as a player are going to be content with then you should purchase it.
If you expect more, PLEASE let Capcom know by not just blindly paying for everything they release.
@279 you sound so moronic and know nothing at all
1st - Rocket raccoon is no way a cheap Fox mccloud knock off. If anything fox mccloud is a cheap knock off of RR. RR = 1976, Fox Mc = 1993.
and
2nd - to quote you "It almost makes me glad japan had an earthquake/nuclear reactor meltdown/potato. Clearly god knew what they were up to. It's not like that natural disaster would set them back or anything "
Not only do you know nothing about games but know nothing about anything if you believe that a major national earthquake would do nothing to their business, let alone their building. 'tard
Back to topic, Angry Joe is another youtube scrub, who looking to make it e-famous with his channel. I would take his opinion on games the same i would take my dogs advice.
These Crapcom/cashcow comment is boring and brainnumbing now. The balancing will probably be huge in size and couldnt be a patch, plus most of the stuff which seems announced seems not possible to "patch" right in. As someone mentioned it can be only frame data, damage stuff etc blah blah. I mean they can change this and that, fix this fix that but they can't go to those lenghts. They would matter of fact have to implement (or planned it and left possible coding) it in be same goes with spectator mode (research source code for more detais)
Player packs would have actually costed more. Sony/mS take money from each DLC sale, this would only push them to push a higher price to recouporate.
I love how people hate on new characters before they even come out just because you never heard of them does not mean they are bad they could surprise.
Also angry Joe is and idiot for telling us not to buy it and make capcom give us the character as a DLC. A character costs 5 dollars for DLC and there are 12 characters so we would have to pay 60 dollars instead of 40 capcom is offering.
Capcom actually makes improvements to MVC3 that costs less than the orginal and people freak out at them, but they make RE5 the only add frustration to a better RE4 and charge 60 dollars and nobody says anything.
As fighting game fans we are spoiled most sequals give 3 new items and no new game play additions and charge full 60 dollars.
@#309 tlwolf
glad my comment didnt get lost in the crowd. Yea after coming into terms with it all i just started brainstorming about the characters we are gonna be stuck with, and about unique moves that was in other games that no one taking up yet in umvc3.
And i recall using ironfist in ultimate alliance 2 when playing thru the hardest difficulty cause he was the only character that was able to heal the whole group without the need of the energy pickups. Became invaluable even though i hated him at first(go figure) Kinda like how shehulk was treated when announced for mvc3 and look at her now lol everywhere....
Hope they reveal Doc strange next, after the neat things dorm was able to do with liberation, modok shield creation/and jamming bomb. Im curious to see how they will handle him. We just dont need doc strange having magnetos super FORCE FIELD in COTA(he is capable of doing HUGE protection ones that can cover planets)
This is so stupid. You guys seriously think a character is worth 5 dollars for DLC? The industry just alienated you consumers into thinking 5 dollars was a good deal so when they come out with sh!t like this you'll think your getting a good deal but your not in the end its just the way of the industry controlling consumers
@264 CBX
Are you really that dumb?! There was no such thing as DLC or online patching when SF3 came out. So there was no other way of improving upon there game without making another.
The only reason SF4 got a super version was bcos it had been 10 years since Capcom had made a SF/fighting game, so they were kinda testing the waters, bcos they didnt know if it would sell well, and hey didnt know how popular it would be. they didnt set the game up properly for DLC, bcos they probably didnt think it would be as popular as it turned out to be. So they made SSF4 with all that in mind.
With MvC3, they knew it sell well, so they should have got it right from the begining. uMvC3 should not be a NEW game. it should be DLC, and anyone with any intelligence knows it
@243
Why would you tell me stuff like this? But, you're not understanding the point at all about a cross over game. This isn't a footies game.
I agree with Joe. Capcom and (especially) Marvel are pi$$ing in the faces of their fans.
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As the REAL final comment for this page, Angry Joe provided annotation updates on this video.
@courte
You went too far by saying your glad the earthquake struck Japan. That has nothing to do with what the video is about. Your comments makes you look like a whiny kid that didn't get his/her way. Just because MvC3 didn't meet your expectations and just because your unsatisfied with Ultimate doesn't make it alright to comment the things you did. The disaster obviously impacted there work load, schedule, and corporal advancements. It makes a lot more sense to just release everything at once in a bundle. Why should they create extra expenses in order to release individual characters, stages, colors, costumes, patches, etc. when they could just bundle everything together and ultimately lower cost? Capcom, at the end of the day, is a company and their goal is to make money. If there is opportunity to reduce expenses than they will do so. I think the package is worth well over forty bucks and so I'm going to purchase it. Capcom is not forcing you to purchase Ultimate so if you think it's a rip off than simply don't pick it up. Again, I repeat, this is still just MvC3 not "MvC4." You shouldn't be expecting so much for an upgrade. Ultimate is targeted towards those that didn't pick up the vanilla and those that want extra contents and improved functionality that vanilla lacked.
It doesnt matter people are going to do what they are going to do and it is their right to do but I myself will NOT be buying a retail version of UMVC3. I had no problem supporting the company when I felt the product had value and was fair. I do think capcom owes the consumer because if you look at their profit and earnings statement you would see that we were more than generous with our money and I dont think its cool to try to rip off the consumer or try to recoup losses through the consumer BUT that is my opinion and my right to choose. I dont care what anyone says a basically 5 month upgrade for a game that is basically not online viable is a rip off. Money talks and my money is going to stay in my pocket and say "No Thanks". Ill trade in MVC3 and then wait until UMVC3 goes down to the same price.
I wonder if Catalyst regrets putting this on his site.
@#323
Only problem you face is that when Ultimate Marvel verses Capcom 3 drops to the price of Marvel verses Capcom 3 they might of released Ultimate Marvel verses Capcom 3 Universe and one of your favourite characters of all time might be in the game... What are you going to do then?
IMO Capcom doesn't owe people anything they are a business and we are the buyer/consumer, that's it! We are not family or their friends. We make our voices heard by polls, YouTube videos, forums etc but ultimately we make our voices heard by what we put our money to. If you like something buy it and support it, it's your money after all. If you don't like something then don't buy it. No one is right or wrong here everybody has a valid reason for wanting something, because every individual is a customer. Capcom is a business that wants your money, you are a buyer that wants value for money or a rock solid game, something you can have fun with, make combo videos with etc etc. Something has and will change as time goes on all we can do as buyers is put our money where are mouths are or in some cases keep our money in our pockets.
@327 Nope not a problem at all because I am going to sell it well before umvc3 drops.
Oh really they dont owe us anything? So you think that a 60 or 70 dollar purchase with a dookey netcode is worth it? The business owes the consumer a quality product and I am speaking as a business owner. Any business owner who disagrees is unfit to be a business owner imo. I dont want a handout or free stuff. I want what the consumer says the product will be. So if you makes statements such as this about the netcode http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/201... /////then my friend I expect to see it and and not a half@ss netcode. I dont think that is unreasonable because when I purchased mvc3 for 69.99 plus tax they wasnt taking half@ss money. Im pretty sure they want their full 69.99 plus tax. You are right though capcom is a business and its not a family or friends and that is a two way street it also means things that I would let family and friends get away with I wont let a business get away with.
@#328
I never at any point said or thought that a dookey netcode was worth 60 or 70 dollars and IMO a business owner should sell quality products. But... Not all do or want to, some business people just see it as I can make a okay product that some people want or need, they buy it, I make a profit... The end. But sometimes business owners want to make a great product that can enrich and change peoples lives. My point is that you can not make a business owner make a great product if they either don't want to or are too lazy to, the only way you can talk directly to a business is with your purchases. If you don't like something about Capcom's products don't buy their products, that will speak louder than any online poll, any e-mail or YouTube video.
Also I have spoken with Seth Killian before about SSF4 and Capcom fighting games in general and one of the things he explained to me was that first and foremost he is a fan of fighting games who works for Capcom but there are a lot of hands that go into making Capcom work and it's products. So he may really know that something needs to be in a game and other fans think it should be in that game to but there are people in the company who are not fighting game fans or care about a certain feature and they are on interested in a product selling and Seth as well as others have to make the non fighting game fans/business men etc see a clear reason to give them the budget or man power to do something. If they can't then sometimes that thing won't get done.
There's a lot of politics involved in things that make money. If Capcom was a small group of people you'd have a different MvC3 or SSF4 game, but they're not, so my bottom line is either support what and who they are or don't, simple.
DLC Characters are 5 bucks each, or they have been so far. 12 x 5 is 60 bucks. Let's say you wouldn't even pay for ANYTHING else, you're getting a bargain of 40 bucks for all of that new stuff NOW, rather than wait months and months for one character at a time. What's so great about dlc anyways? Don't you miss having them on the disc all at once in the first place?
#330 This is a fighting game forum and mvc3 is a fighting game and if someone wants to voice their opinion about capcom's practices this is the place to do it, period. Dollars are not the only thing that speak they just seem to speak the loudest to capcom atm. This isnt a blame game this is about how I feel as a consumer, The honest truth is a ton of people were disappointed with mvc3 but we still bought and supported the product and then some bosses decide to release a sequel 5 months down the road for a christmas release without addressing bugs or promises made for the prequel. Nah Im not buying umvc3 cause thats some bull right there. My bottom line is dont tell the consumer that you are going to give them something or something is going to be a certain way and then dont deliver, simple. I dont care if the entire community turns a blind eye to the bs Im not going to.
@ #331
No you don't get the point here. Ok let's say you were right about us getting a bargain of 40 bucks for all characters but most of us aren't interested in half of them more so for me I'm only interested in just 2 of the new releases so in your theory of 5bux i'm only spending $10. what they're doing is forcing us to spend $40 my other $30 going to characters I don't even want to try. Because of that many characters already made the LEAST they can do to at least fairly squeeze our money is bundle them up in 3. Spectator mode itself doesn't even have a save replay option those characters yet alone spectator mode can be made into DLC. If they want to put this in a retail disc they should have done more modes. You have to agree otherwise you're stupid
i have been watching angry joe since the the rant on duke nukem. and he is right on almost every single point =/ most likely i will end up buying this game and trade in vanilla mvc3 although i will get peanuts for it but oh well .