Click image for larger version
Krang from TMNT on the left, and Shredder on the right!
Just guessing ......>_>
About dang time.
This is actually a decent photograph from Ono , i cant believe it.
The game looks nice.
Alternate costumes? or colors? hugos colors dont really ring a bell. and remys left foot looks weird to me but I think thats just me.
-Takes big hunk of peTROLLeum jelly and lubes entire game.- Good as new.
No one's leg can be that big, other than Hugo.
Unless it's Urien's manjunk.
Hmm.. that Hugo color looks like an alternate PS2 color. And somehow Remy still looks like an even skinnier f**k. lol camera angles
Just looks like one of the filters included in MvC2. Original, crisp and some other s**t I can't remember.
Doubt they'll spend countless man hours redrawing HD sprites for the game. As long as the game is a sweet arcade port with all unblockables and tricks intact, and a good connection then I'm good to go. "Greatest" feature they could possibly implement is a color edit mode like CvS/CvS2. But I doubt it. Here's hoping!
Oh boy. Filters :\
Good bye, beautiful pixel art. Hello blurry monstrosity.
@9 wtf lol thats not remi you think these kids would know after watchin youtube etc
More much colorful! ... Do anyone know when this game will be released?
I looked for this game for PS3 to find the release date, but I couldn't find it. I noticed that the game is for Xbox360. Not for PS3??? O_o
So let's see:
*No graphical changes aside from a filter
*No gameplay changes, no rebalances
*People can already emulate the original for free and play online with GGPO
So why exactly are people gonna wanna pay for this? Does anyone really care about the gallery section with the fanart?
I think it looks nice. Did some of you really expect redrawn sprites? The character sprites has aged gracefully.The amount of animation frames for each character would be a HUGE investment of time to redraw. All the game needs to look is smooth and the game will look beautiful for HD consoles and it looks like the did just that judging by the teaser image.
#24
Because this is supposedly a perfect arcade port with good online modes and a bad ass training mode
ppfffffft... whatever, I just want a Third Strike game of my own and not have to go to my friends house everytime I want to play it.
Gill's a cheating a-hole!
At 20 of 32 comments I got SICK of this "3S is for the good players, SF4 is for scrubs".
@20 and everybody else:
I'll just take Seth Killian's words from this last interview and adapt:
YOU CURRENT 3S PLAYERS THINK IT'S COOL TO SEEM TOO SMART TO PLAY SSFIV.
3S, the freaking game that is TOO f***ing dead to even be played at tournaments anymore
SSFIV, the damn game that's supposed to be played by the scrubs, and by the scrubs only, including all american and japanese top 3S players from the only past when 3S still was a FRESH game (it was a good game back then).
Yes, I yelled, and yes, please take this beloved 1999 game when it gets its DOWNLOADABLE edition and chop off your hands after that so Internet forums get RID of these stupid commentaries from people that JUST CAN'T LET GO games that only people who CAN'T LET A FREAKING DEAD GAME GO play.
You know what? Do beter! Gather online on day 1 and commit this worldwide 3S-players-that-hate-SSFIV-and-don't-play-it massive hand-chopping. Spread the word! STREAM IT!
P.S.: You 3S-players-that-don't-like-SSFIV-but-still-play-it are not invited, because you know how to EVOLVE and ADAPT, even though sometimes things just DO NOT change as you would have liked.
What a shock, even 3S isn't good enough for 3S fanboys anymore.
A winner is you:
@34
If you read the first 15 comments, a good 40% of them talked about hugo and remy =|.
@33 Works both ways. Reason why 3S isn't too big in tournaments anymore? Look at how old the goddamn game is. The fact that it maintained itself in Evo for so long is testament to the game's quality.
A game doesn't have to be 'dead' because it's old. That's ignorant mentality. People who enjoy a game a lot don't have to stop playing it because 6 years have passed and another one comes out. I prefer 3S to SSF4, and would agree with the usual stereotypes for SSF4 and 3S players in terms of skill levels; I play both, I know which one took me a lot less time to get good grasps at.
So go rage some more. People are allowed to think what they want, so let them. Go enjoy your SSF4 Ryu, or 14 frame link Ken.
Bias is fun! :D
Here's two more for you-
For those who despise this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php...
For those who despise SSF4:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php...
@37
"I prefer 3S to SSF4, and would agree with the usual stereotypes for SSF4 and 3S players in terms of skill levels; I play both, I know which one took me a lot less time to get good grasps at."
No hostility here, but don't you think that might have something to do with your extensive experience with Street Fighter III?
What I mean is, if you played 3S for ten years, would you expect to go into SSF4 as fresh and green as you were when you started 3S? Hell no, your experience helped you get a grasp of the game quicker, which was the point anyway: To allow both you and a newcomer to smoothly get into the game.
Is the newcomer as good as you? No, he doesn't have the experience. But can the newcomer play the game and be pulled in by it? Yes. Very easily.
Capcom did exactly what they planned on doing.
Whether or not you LIKE it is entirely your business, of course.
Hugo! I'd love t'see him in SFxT! He'd be a mega BEAST!
God bless you Ono!
Is it any surprise that the grumpy 3S fans are still grumpy ?
SF4 got released they moaned
SSF4 added a few S chars to please them , they still grunted
SSF4 AE added two more they even raged
SF2 HD , mvc2 hd got released they whined .. "give us SF3 3s hd with online support!!"
They are given 3S at last , and they still bitch .
Ok then , so you can play already sf3 for free with filters over ggpo ? Then WTF have you been complaining about to begin with and for years ?
Hohoho, It's no suprise I make an appearance in this "Third Strike", as the kids call it!
Alright to anyone asking why anyone would buy this if nothing has changed I have reasons. A good friend of mine recently got into fighting game because he knew that I never played Call of Duty or anything like that. He pick up Super 4 and has been heavily addicted to it and MVC3. With this though he has never experienced any old fight games outside of Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat 1-3. I told him "Man you gotta play 3rd Strike if you really want to get one of the best 2D fighters" Unfortunately he doesn't have a Dreamcast and a PS2 doesn't look to good on a 46" High Def TV so naturally something like this that has improved resolution to fit on an HD Screen is perfect, Me and him also live quite a ways away so we always play on PSN or Xbox Live so once again its perfect for those of us who want to introduce friends to the old school days and still play online with them.
I really never liked that filter. I'd rather it be all pixely like Melty Blood than look like some one rubbed grease on the screen. I'm still going to play the shat out of it like I do now though. Going to Oro and Q it up all damn day.
I'm gonna have to agree with #48 on this one. some people will never be satisfied.
If you're gonna b!tch about everything, then don't be surprised if Ono pulls a "Sonic 4." people complained about the games, blah blah blah, "we want sonic in true 2d!" they gave the people that...they still complained...then they canceled all future projects of taking sonic back to it's original state (and now they're stuck with....Sonic Unleashed wolf stages. lol)
If you're gonna complain and grip about sf3 and ssf4 so much..then why don't you.....dust off your old ps2 (or dreamcast even)....and play the game...in the original state. You'll be the only one playing it tho lol. \
PS....all of y'all b!tching and complaining about the turnout of sf3 are b!tching for nothing....you're gonnna buy it anyway! hahaha!
PSN/XBL: MrNova749 - Now playing: SSF4, MVC3 and MK9 (both systems)
Lmfao, there are so many frames of animation that remaking this game in HD would take way too much time, and just generally not be worth it. I thought it was already common knowledge that they were going to use a filter anyway. And GPPO? A great step forward, but go on there and see how many clean matches you play. Now tell me you don't want a true to original 3s port with improved online ;)
I find it funny,how allot of these comments after the first couple,seem to be about;no graphic changes,no rebalancing,and 3s players need to learn how to play SSFIV.The truth is,both are good in their own way,but you cannot deny that 3s is for more skilled players and that super is more"Scrub"friendly,they don't need to do anything to 3s really,because just like marvel 2 scrubs weren't asking for it back.
#62 just because people say that SSF4 is Scrub friendly doesn't mean that Scrubs win...EVERY SF game can be scrub friendly.
Think about it...you got the people who Spam the same move, over, and over, and over.....and over....annnnnd over again, with NO strategy and all and some how...pulls off the win...EVERY once and a while.
ALL of the SF games require skills. ALL of them have Great players....and ALLLLL of the SF have scrubs. that will never change.
PSN/XBL: MrNova749 - Now playing: SSF4, MVC3 and MK9 (both systems)
So 3S fanboys are going to buy ANOTHER copy of the same game they've been jerking off to for over ten years.
Maybe now they'll stop whining about the 'good old days' and go back to OS parrying with their waifu Yun. We can only hope!
Idk why people are acting so shocked. Capcom said they wouldn't do mug to it so stop the speculation you'll just get your feelings hurt. IMO they just smoothed the sh*t out the graphics. Which isn't a bad thing since 3rd strike has beautiful graphics.
This game has taken a long time because their waiting for Summer. A XBL game is announced around a month before release. With AE out, Capcom can talk more about 3S at E3 without having too many fighting games on it's plate. Plus, that ties in with putting out 3S in XBOX's annual Summer Arcade series in July.
Remember Capcom is giving you the game but in no way are they dedicating huge resources to it. They see the whiners and are going to make the quick money. Anyone wanting more (although as a fighting game fan I dearly wished for all old stages, music and balances) doesn't get the nature of this release.
Of all of Capcom's upcoming releases this is probably their 11th most important.
@THE_GODDAMN_MASTER
Shut up, please, just shut up. Judging by your comparison of Yun and Rufus, it's pretty obvious you've never even played 3S. Please, play the game before you make anymore stupid comments and assumptions.
By the way, the irony of your post was, one of the biggest reasons for SF4's popularity was that it had the "classic feel", so it reminded most old school players of SF2 and took them back to the good old' days.
And the people who don't think it's Remy and Hugo: http://i51.tinypic.com/25qaqew.png
@73: I wasn't the one comparing them (I was the one listing their differences), but thanks for showing your reading comprehension skills.
O'RLY?!
Posted by THE_GODDAMN_MASTER on April 21, 2011 at 2:46 p.m. #115
Yun is basically a skinny Rufus, but with an uppercut, faster meter building, 4-hit Rekkakens, and Juri's Feng Shui Engine as his SUPER, but is simultaneously nowhere near as good as Vanilla Ryu?
You guys need to get your talking points straight!
1. Yun is nothing like Rufus
2. Yun doesn't have an uppercut. He has an anti-air move, but it's not as effective or reliable as a Shoryuken,
I'll give you faster meter building.
3. He doesn't have any Rekkakens. If you're talking about Yang, his are only 3 moves.
4. Genei Jin is nothing like Feng Shui Engine. Otherwise, you'd see more people picking that over U2.
I can also name at least 5 moves that one of them have that the other doesn't.
I don't know if it's because of the angle the photo was taken, but Remy's leg looks much smaller than it is in his current 3s sprite.
I was paraphrasing some of the other posters (although I do agree that it's hard to tell when someone's being sarcastic with just text.) Rufus is similar to Yun in only two respects: They both have dive kicks, and they're both in SSF4:AE.
Also, how is Genei Jin nothing like the Feng Shui Engine? The only differences that I can see are that one's a Super, the other's an Ultra, and FSE gives Juri about half Yun's standard options for links.
Well I'll just be glad to play the game my ps2 died so at least i can keep it all on my ps3.
man im buying the game just for the training mode.
its true that ssf4 is scrub friendly but it has also high level play.
3s players will always be better player that ssf4 player because of execution.
recently youve watched topanga and seen how haitani was double dashing like he was under meth.
people will change their mind of 3s once RX and Kuroda come to console world......
I have the feeling that besides the filters they have something more in store.
I was thinking on 3d backgrounds. And it kind of confirms it with this pic. Hugo's leg its way big, which can only mean 2 things.
Either they scaled him up (pretty stupid) or you're seeing a forced perspective view.
@#75 and #77
both of ya are attacking each other pretty harshly, i find it amusing that ya stopped.
Anywho to add to the discussion you two was having, only things rufus remotely shares with Yun are as follows.
Yun upkicks are similar to Rufus jumping FK, but both allows their own juggle states. They both have the same F+MK overhead kick, and of course the divekick, and last i remember is the command F+FP. They share no combos, attributes(such as health) and no special moves,ultras, or supers. So anyone else trying to compare them, its like calling seth Urien just cause they share the a few normals doesnt mean anything.
And more to Genei jin compared to FSE to answer #77 a bit more accurately. Genei jin basically changes the frame data of all Yuns normals and special moves. Very fast start up and little to no recovery, and extended juggling properties.
All FSE really does is allow juri to have access to the dark stalker magic series( LP>LK>MP>MK>FP>FK) cant reverse the order either only in that sequence, granted you can skip buttons but still only in that order. None of her frame data on her normals or specials changes.
So with that said the two arent remotely alike except the fact they are activation timer moves which still requires user input to be useful.
To who said the testament comment 3s and mvc2 were basically the only games around look at this years event no 3s didn't hear anyone bitch at that. Also killian said it best games got too technical for there own good hence what led to the drought.
This game will sell pretty well among the fighting game faithful, but the online community will quickly die out as all the people who purchased it because of fond memories also remember how reliant the game is on matchup strength and the fact that some characters are just plain superior to others. Then they'll all go back to SSFIV or Marvel 3 or hey, maybe SFxT.
They shoulda rebalanced the game. It'd bring in new blood, and the old guard would whine incessantly before ultimately capitulating and doing what they always tell everyone else to do: Adapt and learn.
@#87
I dont see why , new blood wont care that it's rebalanced or not . They'll just care that a game they had to dive from the emu grave is back on their console with upscales , and will either enjoy it or drop it .
And the old guard would be aggravating either way . They'd moan if the game is the same , and moan if it isnt
damn he got my hopes up with those previous picks. i dont even care for details on the game nemore without insane sprites to look forward to. i just want a release date now...
Am i the only real fan of 3s who would have bought it either way? rebalanced or not?
Honestly some people are never satisfied. the "hardcore" 3s guys need to stfu because they aren't ever gonna be happy and still say what's the point, free on ggpo, blah blah blah.
And then come the anti 3s guys who complain about it being released. like honestly, if you don't like it don't buy it.
I hope he meant FADC or focus attack, because EX was indeed in SF3.
And even then it doesn't make anyone "better" simply because you play this over that. Different strokes for different folks.
I prefer the faster gameplay and parry system found in SF3 over the slower gameplay and focus attack system in SF4... but that's just me.
Urien and hugo,gigas breaker was my 1st 720 lol fun memories and Tyrant slaughter and aegis Refelctor stood out to me.also when me and my cousin would argue if Makoto was a b or G...I pointed out she had little bee sting breast lol.
#87 Agreed. This will turn into a frustration as soon as people catch on that 2-3 characters reign supreme.
No rebalancing=no buy. The hardcore tourney players will play it regardless, but it's not enough. There are just too many games for the masses to move on to. I hope this tanks so they learn balancing in noawadays is necessary for a game to retain an active community online.
#64 speaks the truth, there is nothing else to really argue about in that manner, it really can't be summed up any better than that.
●SF3SOE > SSF4AE.
SF3 series > SF4 series
That will be all ladies & gentleman.
Maybe ten years from now they'll hopefully rerelease it with the character art as sprites and full quad HD.
@109
Umm , you must be a Street Fighter junky , understandable , but people were still buying Guilty Gear , Soul Calibur , Arcana Hear & Tekken WAY before SF4 was even entering the back of peoples head.
@#110
In the 3d genre ? yes ...
In 2d ? not really , between a few obscure (yet great) title that are were shunned by anime style haters ... or a dying kof franchise ? a great but not mainstream enough guilty gear franchise ? Or Mortal kombat before the dc license (lol)?
Whatever your disdain or feeling might be for sf4 ... and however justified or not it might actually be ...let's not pretend anything else 2d was even half as popular this past decade , outside of various secluded circles .
For better or worse sf4 made it mainstream again , like the big 3d series such as tekken , soul calibur etc , and others are reaping the rewards as well .
@113
Yeah ok.
*Sarcasm*
Not gonna get into it with 1 of you again over common knowledge.
Dont have the time.
@114
So over that time period labeled the dark ages for fighting games, what new fighters helped to keep the scene alive?
@EDGEucator
I usually hate you but I fully agree with your #107 post.
@117
The "scene" is another hip word for " tournament gatherings " , which doesn't really matter as long as the people are buying & enjoying the game. ( Tekken , Arcana Heart , KOF , Soul Calibur , DOA , Virtua Fighter , Mortal Kombat , Guilty Gear , etc. Which those games did have small gatherings for. )
SF4 just made alot of noise , thats all you guys can say , is that you tournament players hyped up a 1/2 baked fighting series (SF4 series). Again for those that are illiterate :
Quality over Quantity.
(Capcom likes to make 1/2 baked fighting games & "updates" not "sequels" & rip us off , when all they need to do is f**king sit down & finish their d**m job instead of shipping s**t games in order to make an "update" version a year later to gain false profit , as opposed to "ALL" other fighting game companies , who have devoted their careers to constructing "complete" & well manufactured & elaborate fighting games & who don't say , "lets make this system bad so we can update it then" , or " Lets ship this part of the game 1st & instead of dlc , lets just put those/that in our next game , even though it would be perfectly downloadable here & now" , NONE of that bs conspires.)
But we've had that talk before.
Capcom doesn't take the their fighting games seriously anymore , thats understandable , but when they brainwash good people by giving the weak minded these full of s**t excuses , they aren't real fighting game developers anymore like they used to be , i apologize for being harsh ,
they are hypocritical bums looking for the easiest way to put together a 1/2 done fighter together and reap the cash that flows in for that 1 & a 1/2 years before they rinse & repeat.
Thats what they do now.
& im not the only person who "knows" (not "thinks") this.
That being said , i will be purchasing SF3SOE because that is a complete & well constructed fighting game Capcom put together. It just received poor sales.
Quality , not Quantity.
@118
Why thank you.
It would be nice that Oro,Sean,Twelve,Necro,Q,Ken and Alex get their own new stages.Also some other new stages would be nice like a Dojo for training mode.
@120
The weak minded.
---
Also i meant to say 3S got poor sales , not SF3SOE.
All that talk doesnt change the fact that 2d fighters werent selling much for a while till sf4 . Hell notice how you have to still refer to 3d fighting franchise in your point even .
Are we reallly going to pretend that kof and gg were selling millions this past decade like tekken , doa or soul calibur ? Only mk did and that was with the hugely popular dc franchise for a title everyone wants to forget , despite its clear success .
I dont care for big speechs about why it sucks . Hell for all you know i might even agree with you there .
Doesnt change the point that regardless of its quality or lack of , sf4 revived the genre in the eye of the mainstream public .
The quality of the game is yet another debate , but the titles did help 2d fighting's comeback .
I miss the days where people played the game...and just did that....PLAYED the game. Some of y'all kill me: "SF3 is better cause of blah blah blah/SF4 is blah blah blah."\
Like I said before...YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BUY THE GAMES AND PLAY THEM...so whats to complain about...parry? op? graphics?? WHO CAAAAARES??
Why is there all this complaining about both of these games? You're making me beleive that you don't know how to Overcome the mechanics of these games...or lose a lot.
I don't know about y'all...but I like to
I miss the days where people played the game...and just did that....PLAYED the game. Some of y'all kill me: "SF3 is better cause of blah blah blah/SF4 is blah blah blah."\
Like I said before...YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BUY THE GAMES AND PLAY THEM...so whats to complain about...parry? op? graphics?? WHO CAAAAARES??
Why is there all this complaining about both of these games? You're making me beleive that you don't know how to Overcome the mechanics of these games...or lose a lot.
I don't know about y'all...but I like to enjoy my games. If theres something new in the game that I don't know, I learn it, get good at it...and thats that.
Times change....games change...simple as that...either roll with it...or don't roll at all...period. Who's making you play these games....Capcom? lol. I like all the Street Fighters because they're all different in a sense. You had to learn something new while the basics always stayed the same. If you don't know how to do that, them I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you, but you complaining about these games are going to change a Damn thing.
PSN/XBL: MrNova749 - Now playing: SSF4, MVC3 and MK9 (both systems)
@123
Combo Knight said fighters as a whole , not just the 2-D ones.
Also KOF & Guilty Gear/Arcana Heart got their sales & MK got more sales from its previous releases other than DC vs MK.
But back to SF4,
Instead of say it revived a "dead" (false) "genre" , people need to say it made the most noise in catching those still interested (key words) in fighting games. (Which the "scene" as Combo Knight said , had A-LOT to do with that.)
If it revived a thing it was the Street Fighter franchise , lets not warp the truth now.
-
Think of it like this , fps's became alot more popular to the general public after Call of Duty made its debut again on the next gen consoles, It made noise , got people interested. But was/is it a good & well put together fps like say BF 1993 , BFBC1/2/3 , BorderLands or Metroid Prime 1-3 ?
Also , people were still buying 3rd person shooters as well , so the shooter genre was still in good standing with the public. (To name 2 big 3rd person shooters , MGS3 & Socom 3 among others.)
Think of it in that fashion.
But i am glad you are seeing where i am coming from , & i respect you for that.
@125
Theres a difference between complaining , comparing & stating facts.
And if you play your games for the enjoyment of them (like everyone should ) & think everyone else should good for you , you have the right attitude , but dont sit up here & persuade people into buying every single fighter by saying they are garbage & dont understand the mechanics , when a good portion of those exact fighters are hot s**t on a porch.
@72 - my sentiments exactly.
@edgulator - the question u gotta ask is "who were those games popular for?".Sorry I love the tourney scene as much as the next guy but we alone don't keep this genre alive from a business standpoint. at best we make up 15% of a fgs total sales compared to the casual majority.looking at sales of fgs since 3s they pale in comparison to games from other genres. the fg scene was very much dead (or at the very least on extreme life support).sf4 did revitalize our once dying genre.w/o sf4 there wouldn't be a 3sOE that's a fact.
I love all fgs but even I can see that fgs got to be way too technical for their own good and is a big part in y fgs went dead for a while.sfww wasn't overly technical in the slightest,very straight foward and entertaining.thats how all fgs should be.such extreme execution barriers aren't necessary to make a good fighter.all it does is alienate players and let others autopilot on stuff only they can do.
I find all the sf4 is scrub friendly nonsense funny since it was sf3 that started that trend.why were all the charge super motions changed?y give every1 a universal overhead? was breaking thru a persons defense really that hard w/o it? even parry, a go to answer for any and every attack with no real drawbacks? sorry but missing doesn't count since u can still blk if u parry w/o pressing buttons to extend the window and are fast enough depending on the situation (aegis,oro sa2 - 3 etc. not applicable).3s success was unexpected even by its own dev staff.all sf4 did was continue the trend sf3 started.
@120
Well said.
@ Edge:
Again like I said on psn you hate on SSF4 for the wrong reasons, never once have I heard you complain about the mechanics that make up SSF4. You only hate it because your main did poorly, in this version.
That and the games you remember being fun to you just haven't had the competitive play encroach in on you.
There's an interesting possibility everyone so far apparentely missed out.
As far as I know, Street Fighter III's sprites were all hand drawn by traditional, non-digital artists, THEN they were digitalized to match CPS3's unusually high resolution.
I'm almost sure I've read this piece of information 14 years ago (1997) in a games magazine covering Street Fighter III: New Generation's release.
If this is really true, there's a high chance Capcom stored the game's original, pre-digitalization artwork, in such a way that they could digitalize it again in higher resolutions. It would be like they "foresaw" home consoles would one day go HD. Or maybe it was just how Street Fighter III's sprites were produced.
In other words, it would be a process somehow similar to "remastering" the game's graphics. We would have the exact same art, but digitalized in a higher resolution.
If it's true, it matches the statement about 3S Online having something that was never done before. That would be indeed true. Even further, the sole use of a batch of filters to upscale and improve sprite data is not new, so you can be sure there's something else planned (unless this hidden rabbit new feature doesn't have anything to do with the game's graphics).
There's a chance I still have this magazine as of today. I'll look for it and post any updates here. You could, too, look for anything that confirms Street Fighter III's artwork was produced that way.
Damn EDGE dude you're gettin to a point where it's just trollin
@132
You disagree with my points/facts , thats why you label me as such , rather than explore them to find out who' right/wrong in this debate , or for that matter add to the side you agree with.
But you are to weak minded to do so , which is why you commented as you did , in that un-orthodox http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unor... fashion.
-
@130
That is not the only reason , among others that SSF4 is a poorly made game (not because i hate it) , but since you brought it up again , why was that again ? Because of the fadc system , as opposed to the parry system.
SSF4 was favorable for slow , drawn out battles (some more projectile or spam based), as opposed to SF3's high end aggressiveness. If you had a character you enjoyed , but was low on the tier list , the next thing you look for is to master the system when you realise your character loses in 7/10 of the match ups. SSF4 didn't compensate for the characters that couldn't do this , and now we have specials that break through fadc/focus attack on 1 connection.
A 1/2 baked/thought out system indeed.
Now with parry , you didn't have to worry about that. It was high risk high reward based on your reaction time. If you felt a special coming you parried that s**t.
I could go in the with Hugo & give Akuma or Urien a good bout.
@131
Sounds interesting Brusora.
Will do.
Thank you for that piece of information :]
@133 - 3s parry system didn't compensate for chars bad matchups any better than ssf4.what did parry do for sean or twelve? not a damn thing.what good will parry do those 2 chars when yuns genei jin pressure pretty much locks them in the corner? of course u 3s die hards will just say "too bad,don't get caught" or "just block and wait" yea and then u get command grabbed into ender then 2 more hits/whiffs and it starts all over good sh!t parry system. then u have 2 chars that dominate a majority of the cast (yun,chun) 3s is no better.(oh and plz for the love of god plz don't try and bring up karoda,he's nothing more than a exception to the rule.those 2 never won evo/sbo wonder y? parry is there.)
parry is just as half baked as the focus.where's the drawback to parrying too much? getting thrown? u can opt. select.missing and getting hit?there's more than enough time to go back to blocking in most situations.esp if u extend the parry window by not pressing buttons during the parry.the main thing wrong with ssf4 system is certain chars don't have means of comboing into full ultra and some don't have enough ways of breaking thru focus atks like elf.if his running sobat broke glass his matchups would be a lot better.
@133
SF3 highly agressive? you mean the same SF3 where players would spend half of the round just swinging at air to build meter?
The same SF3 where a turtly chun would wreck someone?
The same SF3 where one well placed genei jin= the round?
The same SF3 where your main Makoto, performs better than in SSF4- (what a coincidence)
Parrying isn't something to really boast about.
If you parried with Sean, you are still sean and your moves still suck, and are terrible slow and leave you unsafe.
Congrats you parried, but depending on what hit you you possibly won't have a window to land something major into a super art best thing he's got on the go is hit confirming into a SA. Parrying doesn't make him more bearable.
He doesn't benefit from SF3's system. He still sucks, so what's your point about parrying being substantially better than focus?
@136 - obviously he's just another "oh there's no parry?ssf4 is ass" person.at least half the cast is playable at high level.at evo/sbo its usually chun/yun at finals 3s isn't better than ssf4 neither is ssf4 better than 3s.they're DIFFERENT! I love how he chose to use ssf4 and not ae in his argument cuz ae is obviously more aggressive than ssf4 is.all u 3s die hards can say what u want but any1 can go thru the char win results for evo/sbo for the past 10 yrs and the results would speak for themselves. regarding char viability and variety of char usage ssf4 is far superior to 3s,mvc2 and most games of that era.
@137
The system of SSF4 is obsolete.
That is a fact.
& "oh there's no parry?ssf4 is a** person" ? Dont get fed up because im not buying your weak argument.
Form a better one.
-
@136
You just proved my point.
Thank you.
Also @ the 2 of you , re-read my posts.
You obviously didnt read them thoroughly & spoke on instinctive terms of me being a 3S wh**e.
Re-read , or better yet , look up info & statistics on both systems & which has taller pros./cons.
Your points are clear and I've brought my statements up what your claiming to be fact is not such, again it is opinion.
If you read what I posted then you'd see where there is little to no compensation for specific characters in Sf3.
You are looking at these games subjectively for the one character you use and not at a whole, and you contradict yourself doing such.
@140
Ah , but if you truly believe that (which i know you don't) you'd know you did the same by saying just because Sean has weak specials he cant take advantage of the parry system , & that is the reason why parry is obsolete to fadc.
Which is false.
& if you look at the entire cast of SSF4 , you will easily be able to see which characters can abuse the system & which characters can do nothing with it to aid them in a fight.
Just think of the systems for a second.
Really think about which one gives more opportunity for its cast.
I'll let you think about that & next time we have this chat on another story/page you give me your answer on which series had a more well constructed system.
Im done here on this page.
Goodbye.
"& that is the reason why parry is obsolete to fadc."
Wrong that is not what my post states.
There is nothing that defines one better than the other, tool that's what ten or fifteen people have been trying to tell you. neither system allows for choice characters to benefit.
Characters that are bad will not be able to utilize the system as well as others that's what makes them bad.
Please turn on your brain, neither is better than the other, you are just hyped up because of your characters success on one game as opposed to the other, no other reason for you to talk down SSF4.
@EDGE
I never said I disagreed with you, because that is beside the point. Whether I agree with you or not, you are being a know it all with OPINIONS. You are posting walls of text on why YOU feel the parry system is better than the focus system in SSF4. That is subjective, not factual in no way shape or form, it may be popular belief at best, but you are not really stating fact. TROLLIN. And me pointing out your trolling isn't unorthodox at all; it's what any sane person would do after reading this long-winded drivel. Fools can't be reasoned with, debating with them is pointless, it would make me look just as foolish.
@edge - yea cuz focusing on 1 part of my comment and ignoring the rest of it and my other post b4 it makes it a weak argument.no point in arguing with a selective reader.fact is both games have half baked sub systems.
•3s has 2 op dominant chars that ruled 90% of 3s tourney lifespan.
•ridiculously long juggle combos that take 50 - 100% that only a select few can viably employ.
•loops and unblockables that even parry can realistically help avoid.
•for the most part,more than half the cast is useless at the highest levels.
•parry has no real drawbacks whatsoever,unlimited usage w/o penalty while gaining massive frame advantage. perfect example of a drawback is blocking in sfa3,u blk too much ur guard get broken. nothing like that exists with parry.
ssf4 is no better. it too is littered with its own crap.
•not all chars can combo into full ultra.
•shortcuts interfere with execution and requires disiplined hands to counteract.
•some chars don't have enough ways to break glass.
•large reversal windows meant to break out of poorly executed combos/block strings aren't really necessary neither is autoblock & auto corrects.
•throws grab through pokes already thrown even within active frames.
ultimately both games are good but id rather play ssf4 cuz at least I won't feel like I'm at a disadvantage once I hit the char select screen.
144
•not all chars can combo into full ultra.
•shortcuts interfere with execution and requires disiplined hands to counteract.
•some chars don't have enough ways to break glass.
•large reversal windows meant to break out of poorly executed combos/block strings aren't really necessary neither is autoblock & auto corrects.
•throws grab through pokes already thrown even within active frames.
And those were my qualms with the game that he didn't touch base on.....
But he could tell you why Makoto sucks in SSF4 and why SF3 is so much better, Strange isn't it?
Edge in response to #127:
I'm not saying buy every street fighter...I'm saying that the same people that are complaining about the game....are going to buy it anyway, and if you don't like these newer versions of the game, or not willing to just Learn how to play them different from the other Street Fighters.....don't play them, period.
I'm saying that IIIII played all the street fighters and loved them. I just learned the new things about them and kept it moving, if you're not willing to do that...theres no sense in complaining because Capcom is going to do what they want to do, and people are still going play it anyway.
ADAPT! you don't have to if you don't want to, but once again....don't complain if you plan on buying and keeping the game. (I'm not repeating myself anymore. lol)
PSN/XBL: MrNova749 - Now playing: SSF4, MVC3 and MK9 (both systems)
@MrNova749
You have a firm grasp of common sense, my man, but Edge is like talking to a brick wall...logic escapes him.
@145 - selective readers only pay attention to the things that help validate their argument or atk the credibility of their opp.back when he was arguing against sf4 being what brought fgs back to life and the only reason y 3sOE he totally ignored my #129 comment that bodied that argument.
then he moves on to how the parry system is better thought out and helps crappy chars with their bad matches better than focus. again he ignored both my #135 & (most of) #137 comments that prove that statement false.but chose to focus on me saying he a "oh ssf4 doesn't have parry? ssf4 is ass" person to say my argument was weak.if I hadn't said that he wouldve ignored that comment fully also.
I even bullet pointed out all thats wrong with both games in comment #144 and it too will be ignored cuz its full of truth. hell I even proved how it was his precious sf3 that started the scrub friendly trend at the end of comment #129 and it too was ignored. here's a fact edges debate skills are mad free and scrubby.
Remi and hugo?