A few details about the console version of Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition emerged during Team Sp00ky's stream at the 2nd Annual Spring Fighter Tournament. Capcom's Seth Killian dished some basic information about the game, here's a run down.
• The console release of SSF4 Arcade Edition will be a perfect port of the version currently in arcades. Do not anticipate any balance changes in AE.
• SSF4 users who don't upgrade to AE can't play against the new characters, but they get the increased search functionality of the replay system. They can also watch Arcade Edition matches.
• It's not setup like Anniversary Edition where you could pick different versions of characters from the games. When you start the title up, you can choose to either play SSF4 or AE.
• You do not get the balance updates for your characters if you don't upgrade. The developers wanted to leave SSF4 alone for people who still wanted to play that iteration of Street Fighter, also they weren't sure how the old characters would stack up against the new fighters, Yang, Yun, Evil Ryu and Oni, without the balance changes they received in the new title.
I'm more annoyed that you have to buy the upgrade to get the balance changes. I'm not interested in E ryu oni, Yun or Yang. It's enough that they can say you can choose to play SSF4 or AE. They should just lock AE characters until you buy the upgrade.
And it totally sucks that (according to a tier list for AE) Yun and Yang fighter 4.
so this is a waste of money then, unless your maining yun that is...
That's kind of a shame that you can't pit characters pre/post AE changes.
Actually the idea of an anniversary edition that allowed you to pit characters from any iteration of SF4 would be kinda cool.
Imagine Vanilla Sagat vs. AE Yun
Talk about fantasy match-ups!
Lets say I'm not getting AE because I like SSF4 Honda more. Could i have a SSF4 Honda vs AE characters on online mode? I know I can't go against oni, evil, and twins.
On another note:
If there isn't going to be any further balance changes to the console version of AE, and there doesn't seem to be any new characters put into the console version of AE why the hell do we have to wait until JUNE to get it?
GET TROLLED!
imagine if vanilla had Super as DlC, then AE came out after that! 3 games to choose from on 1 disc 0_o
@2
Couldn't agree any more. I can't even begin to understand why people had the obsurd idea that you'd be able to cross characters from different iterations of IV.
It'd make the weaker versions of each character completely useless, so characters like Rose and Cammy in AE would have never seen daylight due to their nerfs from the Super version, making Capcom's most recent changes pointless. It'd end up being a cluster f--k of balance and things would just be ridiculous. God only knows how people thought that mixing would make sense from what Capcom said.
Why would I wanna upgrade when I've been maining Bison since Vanilla dropped in Arcades. Why would I use a Bison that has since been nerfed with a Psycho Punisher input change? I might just keep it SSFIV.
Whine whine whine. God if you're so against AE, stop playing SF and stop commenting here so there are less crybabies to wade through in the comments.
Why the heck don't people want AE. Saying I don't want AE cause of Honda nerfs or whatever is exactly like saying they didn't want SSF4 when it came out cause of Ryu nerf or whatever. IT IS A NEW GAME PEOPLE. I don't wanna play HF cause CE bison is better or whatever. Lots of people didn't wanna play the 10 new characters in SSF4 and I'm sure they still bought it...
Obviously this is about SELLING DLC guys. Just as any marketing department would. They don't want to give you the option of staying with Super just because you don't care about the AE characters. They want you to buy AE, no kidding. Capcom knows it has a massive "hardcore" fighting fan base that migrates game to game and eats up all of their stuff.
#24
Why would I buy SSF4 when I've been maining Ryu since vanilla? Why would I want to play SSF4 when they nerfed Ryu in so many ways? Seriously, LISTEN TO YOURSELF
I'm happy with the changes since it made the two characters I play better and they needed to be better. Sucks to be everyone else who got hit with the nerf fuzzy bat.
Feel the Rhythm! Feel the Rhyme! In June when AE drops, it's Dee Jay time!
@26 re: "Why the heck don't people want AE."
First off it is NOT a new game by any stretch, and no where near the leap from SFIV to Super. It's the same game w/ (un)balance tweaks and 4 new characters. That's it. The game has been played for months now, and the general consensus is that people are NOT happy with the new balancing. Why pay money to play a more unbalanced game with one, maybe 2 characters being heads and shoulders over everyone else? That's just going to result to the masses flocking to those characters and greatly decreasing the variety of opponents. Not fun. Why pay money to face an army of Yuns?
At #25.
It's not so much as we are whining about AE. It's just that there is a demand for a great game with an abundance of characters viable not just a handful. In AE case, it's just Yun Yang, Fei. I play Gen and from what I understand he is better in AE than his SSF4 counterpart. Why would I want to play a SSF4 Gen and have to pay $15 for just that changes so I can play AE gen?
Sure I play other characters like Gouken, Makoto ,and Guy but I think these guys are solid characters not Op like others.
I'll download AE. I used to main Ryu but I've been using unpopular characters like Dudley and Gouken which all received buffs in AE. Even though Ryu got mostly nerfs, I'll still go back to him every now and then. Same for Akuma and Ken.
People who aren't downloading AE b/c their character received nerfs they didn't like, well, here's an idea...stop playing ONLY one character. There are 38 other characters in the game you can have fun with. I don't play the game everyday and I managed to learn and play my new characters well and effectively. If you limit yourself, you're not going to have fun or get far in anything. Plain and simple.
To everyone complaining about Fei Long being at the top, realize that you're not going to play many Fei Long players that can use him like Mago. He is by no means a pick-up and play character. Neither are the Twins to be honest.Unless you all go to tournaments and people are all rocking Fei Long and the Twins and rocking you guys, don't read into it too much.
In addition, I want to try out E Ryu and Oni. They look like fun to play. Something new to try out and learn. AGAIN, I'm not limiting myself to just ONE character. In addition to shotos, I can add these two plus my gouken, dudley, sakura, and cody as my list of characters to play from.
#21 thanks!
I could play multiple characters and have fun no matter how balanced the game is. I'm not whining about AE. I just wanted to know if I can face the AE characters without buying the update. But that question has been answered. .
@Darkyellow:
Well, the majority of these people are judging AE soley based on youtube clips. I bet 90 percent of these crybabies haven't even touched the game yet. They watch Guard Crush or whatever streams showing AE and passes judgement with a snap of a finger. People cry like they are pro players who depends on their winnings to eat. If I want one thing fixed OUT OF EVERYTHING, I want NO LAG whatsoever while I'm playing online. The balancing issue isn't an big issue compare to unpredictable lags that screws up your combos.
I can't see how this is not a new game in the series. Well it's a massive update. SF4 to SSF4, 10 new characters, new ultra for everyone, character balancing.
SSF4 to SSF4AE, 4 new characters, character balancing. People now crying that characters were nerfed and don't wanna play the new game. People didn't do that in the first transition. People QQing cause of vids or proposed tiers of Yun.
Sure the gap isn't as big, but not wanting to play the new game is the same situation as wanting to play SF4 vanilla instead of upgrading to SSF4 imo.
@ RandomJohnE. Ryu is easy just think Akuma with Ryu combos he was the laziest of the four the other 3 seem neat.
the only relatively new thing is that odd axe kick aside from that like i mentioned above.
Posted by massi4h on April 18, 2011 at 10:30 p.m. #40
I can't see how this is not a new game in the series. Well it's a massive update. SF4 to SSF4, 10 new characters, new ultra for everyone, character balancing.
-- You Forgot in Super we also got, New Stages, New Announcer, Smashing Stages, and Menu Screens, Spectator Mode and Replay Channel.
-- Mortal Kombat has Offline replays, 4 player combat-- just sayin
The two dumbest things said here so far (paraphrased):
1.) I don't like Yun and Fei Long so I won't be buying the DLC.
2.) I won't have any fun with the game anymore because Bison's U2 input was changed.
I can safely say that even if I hated every single balance tweak in the game, I'll easily get $15 worth of enjoyment out of playing the four new characters. And btw, unless you're a tournament player the balance changes won't affect you in the slightest.
Before we ask Capcom to rebalance AE DLC, shouldn't we first play it and decide then whether the twins are really OP? Yeah, yeah, I also read the reports and the tentative tier lists, but... like most of us here, I have yet to play AE. If your character was nerfed in AE, well, maybe it's a good time to start playing another character.
You don't want to? For that situation Capcom has left the option to keep playing SSF4, so you're okay, right? All you have to hope for is if you'll still have opponents online, because most players will be moving on to AE. Even though they have the choice, I have a feeling they will be playing AE for the most part, to get used to the changes and pro-players especially because of EVO switching to AE.
Whatever happened to your character in AE, don't hate, appreciate! :)
Guys, it's just $15.99 (like a COD map pack and less than 3 McDO meals) for the DLC. You have a choice there. You don't have to pay it if you don't want it. It's a no brainer. To each his own. If the update had been in the $30s then all the yapping would make some sense. For people who wants the CD version (collectors or people who skipped on SSF4), the $40 makes sense. FOr thsoe who get the DLC, u still get the chance to play either version. Stop crying.
Wow i remember the days when people were like "damn its nice to see a fei long for a change" "GG"
Now its like, I HATE FEI LONG lmao. I think its because ever since that japanese player main him, everyone else followed.
Fei long is basically the same without his invincible HK chicken wing, and his super fast chicken wings from vanilla.
If anything ill take Vanilla Fei before the patches anyday.
Haters will be haters and thats that.
Pretty much everything I expected. It was kinda' silly to think that players could pick between different "versions" of a character - that'd definitely destroy any chance of "balance."
I'm all for the AE tweaks. For better or worse it gives the game new life. Would have liked more characters, but I've actually come to like Evil and Oni - very interested in both (and I'm fairly anti-shoto these days lol).
I'll likely continue to main Rose (with Juri as a close second), but pick up Yang as well. Haven't played him since like, early 3S days. Should be fun.
@50
Thats what happens when u come out with updates too fast. I remember at first everyone thought cammy was trash but right before ssf4 people were starting to realize what she had. sf4 needed more time, they should have waited till now to rebalance super. but o well, it dont matter now.
I think some of you are crying for no reason at all.
You really think there's gonna be a massive wave of killer twins and Fei Long? Lol, no. New players will try them out and fail miserably.
Rufus was a beast in tournaments but NOBODY played him online. Just isn't a character that gets instant results. The twins and Fei don't give you easy wins, you gotta put in work with them. Regardless of how OP they are you still gotta put in work. Unlike many of the more popular characters.
super to AE is looking to be very disappointing, 4 new characters, a better replay channel and balance changes. super got more than this in the same time it took capcom to make AE, super is kinda dead now, most people will switch to AE but i don't like to buy things that don't interest me so i guess this is where the sf4 series dies for me *sigh* they could of done so much better.
"also they weren't sure how the old characters would stack up against the new fighters, Yang, Yun, Evil Ryu and Oni, without the balance changes they received in the new title."
ill tell u how they'd stack up ...
for the majority .. ALOT FRICKEN BETTER
No hate guys everyone's entitled to their own opinion..
Its like Global warming we all feel its effect..
Its time to Change our ways
and face the hardships that will come(Yun Fei etc)
@ 58 Exactly! SSF4 has formidable characters like Fei long, cammy, rufus and Adon. Most of which were ignored until top players did something with them in tournaments. Freaking out about Yun cause Diago arguably the best SSF4 player abuses ppl with him is silly. People can use Cammy all they want now but that doesn't make you Sako. No one is worried about the whiners on Evnthubs using Rufus or Yun for that matter.
Easy mode f.hk into ultra vannila Sagat is dead and the pretenders have been long exposed. Your skill will be the determing factor for characters in AE.
@#3 i don't beileve it's a forced patch if u don't want to go against yin/yang don't download it the patch from what I gather would come in the form of a plain patch and the DLC game if u were to buy A.E it said u have a choice to play ssfiv or A.E u just can't play against yun/yang ONI/E.ryu and @#34 I couldn't have said it better my damn self I've never seen such a bunch of crybabies in my life there's always a way to beat a character no matter who is using them just take the time to find a way thats what makes the game fun (albiet frustrating at times lol) but fun nonetheless in mvc3 everyone was pissing about sentinel and Phoenix and guess what I was kicking there candy asses B4 the Patch and I'll continue to kick ass in A.E with my boy Gouken and adon yang is one of my favorite sf characters but I'll kick his ass too!
The reason why we've all been fooled into believing that the twins and Fei for that matter dominate AE is because of all the YT vids of the Japs playing them. In fact, how many AE vids have you seen of the twins and Fei pitched against the rest of the cast and not with each other? They're not strong. They're merely gimmicky and being new (Yun and Yang), players have yet to know their character's match-ups against them. These three wannabe top tiers are nowhere close to the reality of S-Tier Vanilla Sagat and top tier SSF4 Chun and Honda.
As a Chun mainer and someone who has played AE, I was surprised to hear Nemo say that Chun's boring in AE considering she escaped the murderous nerf bat that most of the cast got. Her st.mp had its damage reduced by 10 and her df.+lk anti-air's start-up increased to 10 frames which when applied in a match still does not stack the odds in her opponent's favor. She counterpicks the twins and Fei by the way. Blocked dive kicks leave Chun at a good frame advantage unlike Rufus' dive kick. Her long range pokes and kikkoken can zone Fei really well. Not to mention having the best normals in the game. I'm pretty sure Dee Jay also counterpicks the three. Pretty much every other charge character counters Fei with the exception of Guile who got a load of nerfs in AE. The fact is, let's not jump on the Japanese tier bandwagon since their tier list only has 3 characters on it and our mains haven't seen much play since AE's release because of the Yun, Yang and Fei hype.
#25 put it nicely haha.
You'll all buy it, you'll all play it, you'll all love it. End of.
The people that say the changes are disappointing compared to Ssfiv are annoying. super was $40 when it first came out, OF COURSE it would have more content. Ae is only like 15? You cant expect alot of new things for just $15.
Also people that are whining bout yun or yang being OP. They arent more OP than vanilla sagat was and he was kinda beatable.
I don't think Yun/Yang will largely apply online. How many good Rufus's do you come across? I barely came across one, seriously.
Rush down characters require consistent linking, Yun/Yang/Rufus require skill in order for them to be that good. Unlike Ryu and Ken (that a five year old could pick up, lol).
I dont mind starting PP over again. Get to try out my new Bison from scratch (its cr4p haha )
If Capcom wanted to make money, they should have made it where you could pick super vs ae versions. That way it makes everyone happy. Cuz I would say the consensus is 50/50 on who really wants ae update. I for one would rather keep my super versions of my characters( which I main 4 of them). However I am interested in playing against the new characters from ae but not looking forward nerds in all 4 of my characters.
@70 - Yup. I'm guessing you're asking about the frame advantage on block for Chun after a dive kick from either twin. Unlike Rufus' dive kick, Yun and Yang's dive kicks need to be done at the peak of their jumps. If Chun blocks a dive kick and has been hit on her head, she gets a +3 frame advantage (maybe more). If she's hit on her feet, I think it's a +1. Either way, she can easily tech after or ExSBK which are both impossible against Rufus' dive kick. The only real concern is Yun's cross up dive kick since Yang's can't cross. If Chun blocks, same frame advantage rules apply except Ex SBK has a lot less chances of being executed after.
So many Yun fanboys trying their damnedest to defend him...
The balance changes to the current cast should have been free and everything else should have been charged. I am not content with the decision Capcom has made; I had thought due to the vague trailer, that either versions could have challenge each other and community wouldn't be split up, but isn't the case or I could be wrong.
I just played Arcade Edition at Gameworks: Seattle the other day and had a blast playing it. Reinvigorated the fun in playing SSFIV again, despite getting bodied left and right because of playing MvC3 so much. Gonna have to get re-acclimated in playing SF again. Gonna be even weirder after playing Mortal Kombat.
(MVC3's story was limited due to licensing and deadlines. MK9 is the last hope for Netherrealm studios.
Take that as you will.
PS: MK9 came out today, so expect more of this nonsense)
Hakansoilbarrel wrote: "MVC3's story was limited due to licensing and deadlines. MK9 is the last hope for Netherrealm studios. Take that as you will."
I find it funny that a game that was supposed to have an original March-April release date was pushed up to Feb just to make it out before the financial year closed for Capcom, and that they promised this great story and put out some amazing trailers for said story. LOL! I just gotta say if this is Netherrealm studios "last hope" then they are putting out a superior product for once.
(I'll wait until the MK release haze fades.
They'll be more reasonable then.
Or I could just bring up Brawl, hmm.)
Lol at all of the butthurt here. You don't have to upgrade, if you want to play SSFIV then your perfectly able. AE is going to be a slightly different experience,but you get a choice. If were going to complain about choices, then let's just assume it would be better if you were forced to buy AE to play online then? I may have just missed the point with that last statement, butt, I'm just saying. Your whining about choices. Think about that for a second.
They should apply the AE changes across the board so Super can play AE. Players that choose not to buy the DLC just dont get access to the 4 new characters.
Most players that get AE arent going to choose the super version when they log in and this is going to shrink the pool of players available online.
75% of players online arent going to realize the tweaks/ nerfs anyways.
So you either play AE OR Super, and super is staying how it is, no balance changes(nerfs) if you pick Super, yes? Is this right?
2 games in 1. 2 versions of your characters to pick from. Just cant play Super Bison VS AE Blanka, that is fine.
Am I right?
If so, I hope PC version has super included as well, I like this setup!!
I'm a little worried about Fei Long and Yun.
Well, whatever. I just want my pancake mix.
I'd like to know if the 'perfect arcade port' will only be the 360 version or if ps3 will still have 1 frame of input lag more.
#99
From what I gather, even if you get the upgrade, you can still pick Super(and not use the AE nerfs?) OR AE(with nerfs), but its a bit unclear.
What I know is that I don't like any of the news char... I think they're lame. And I don't care about one of them being OP.
Paying $16 for balances is a shame. Balances change should be free...
So I should stay with SSF4. The community will be divided and that sucks.
same arcade rankings too?
**** YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is so weird. Can you also choose between the two in tournaments? Why would ANYONE choose the new cammy, new abel, new bison, old makoto, etc (Not saying all those chars are crap now, but def. worse)
All the nerfed chars won't ever be chosen lol (Obviously, but that means the balance changes are pointless..) and if your fav char isn't buffed and you don't want the 4 new chars..? I'd like it more if it was more ''forced''. We'd have to work with the changes
The problem is that EVERYONE has to buy the DLC to get balance changes! which splits the playerbase (after SF4 again).
Like many other mentioned, CAPCOM should make only the new characters + new replay system + new endless battle as purchaseable DLC and force everyone else to upgrade for free balance changes, just to keep the playerbase together. Technically it's no problem at all.
So Capcom claims that the SF4 community will not be "split" with the release of AE and even stating/confirming that there will be no integration of versions to play against other version characters a'la SF2 Anniversay. I would like to know exactly HOW they intend to accomplish this if you cannot, for example, play SSF4 Ryu vs Evil Ryu (or pick your own SSF4:AE character)? Am I missing or did I over read something?
Even if you could play SSF4 characters versus AE iterations, it sounds as if it would have to be done by disks alone. You want to play Evil Ryu - pop in your AE disk. You want play as SS4 Ryu - pop in your old SSF4 disk.
Not happy with the nerfs to Bison, Honda, and Blanka. So I will not be downloading this.
I will only be paying $5 for this.
It's called PSN sharing...
Unless you play on Xbox.
kind of annoyed that its not set up like Anniversary edition :-/