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BurnYourBra discusses the difficulties of being a female gamer

Posted by Catalyst
April 15, 2011 at 5:02 a.m. PDT
BurnYourBra discusses the difficulties of being a female gamer Jason24cf of Dominion Method Gaming recently interviewed DMG|BurnYourBra to discuss what it's like being a female gamer in the fighting game community. She shares some negative and positive experiences, along with details about her personal life.

Warning: There are some racial remarks in this interview that have not been edited out. I felt it was better that these go up in their entirety instead of readers having to guess at what was being said.

Forward by DMG|jason24cf: I only have been a member of the fighting game community for a short while, little less than a year now, in fact. And from what I have seen on streams and what I seen at two majors I have attended was a really strong community where players help one another. That’s not always case. What I read the other day from a post by a gamer was really a shock to me. So I reached out to her to find out what went down, this is her response.

DMG|jason24cf: I’m here with DMG’s own BurnYourBra. Thank you for taking some time out of your busy schedule to do this interview. I wanted to have this sit down with you because I respect you as a player. I read some real foul stuff went down at a recent tournament in Houston you competed in. What went down at this tournament that upset you so much to post your frustration on Facebook?

DMG|BurnYourBra: Well, this didn't happen at the last tournament I went to. Honestly, this has probably been occurring for almost a year now and just recently I've decided to address it. There seems to be an attitude in the fighting game community that I've been noticing lately.

DMG|jason24cf: And that is?

DMG|BurnYourBra: At tournaments players talk [crap] to each other. That's just the way tournaments are. People get hyped. Players get salty when they lose, which is fine. But there is a difference between trash talking and calling other players disrespectful names. For me, I've been called a dyke, a butch, a slut, a bitch... I was even called a black bitch to my face along with being called a lesbian, a gorilla, and a monkey. Now I know people are going to say that as a player in the community, you have to have a thick skin. I do, but that doesn't mean that I won't speak up about the names I've been called. Because these names refer to my sex, but most of them refer to my race; which to me is racist. I think some of these people are blurring the lines between trash talk and disrespectful trash talk. And again, this is just my experience on the matter. I don't know if anyone else has had this experience. So I wrote a note on my Facebook, made it private, and got the opinions of several other black female gamers. They all have had somewhat the same type of experience as I, some have seen it and others have heard of it.

DMG|jason24cf: You would think times have changed but it seems like it’s still all the same.

DMG|BurnYourBra: YOU WOULD THINK, right? *Laughs* But, I guess not.

DMG|jason24cf: I can understand outsiders with name calling because they are not down with the fighting game community, but having your peers call you this is just plain wrong.

DMG|BurnYourBra: Yes it is, especially after a tournament match. And the thing is that it shocked me to the point that I didn't even reply. I beat this guy 2-0 and instead of a handshake and "good games" it was, "black bitch." I'm not saying that every player is like this but I think some people need to think before they speak or don't speak at all. If I was younger I would have probably knocked him the [heck] out but that's not why I'm there. I'm there to play, to gain the experience. I'm there to learn and I shouldn't have to worry about being disrespected in that manner.

DMG|jason24cf: So I'm pretty sure you have heard a lot of heckling while you compete.

DMG|BurnYourBra: Let's just say I've heard enough, *laughs*. But, I know I will continue to hear rude comments. That's just how it is unfortunately. I just want people to understand that there is a difference between trash talking and being an asshole.

DMG|jason24cf: Very true, I can understand being salty after losing but saying some of the things you heard are not called for. That said how long have you been competing and has this always been an issue?

DMG|BurnYourBra: I've been competing on and off for a little over 10 years now in different games. In the beginning I wasn't really that known and I was okay with that fact because I looked at video games as more of a hobby and something fun to do. The scene where I was born and raised at was really tolerant and I knew and still know a lot of the players from there.

DMG|jason24cf: Another topic you had mentioned in your post was about "not having the look" could you go into that further?

DMG|BurnYourBra: I would love to *laughs*. Well, I don't feel that it was like this 10 years ago but there is what I call an “Asian Aesthetic” (as in meaning beautiful) in the fighting game community. There is almost an invisible rule in the way male gamers see female gamers in terms of looks. I've read and I have come across a lot of individuals who think because a certain person or persons are of Asian descent that they're automatically good. Now, I will admit, Japanese players are really good, that can't be denied. But when it comes in terms of females, it feels to me like it's almost a written rule that if you aren't Asian, and if you don't have the look that fits into this beauty hierarchy, then you're just not good. So, for me, I feel like it's a double standard that I really can't fight. I'm not Asian and I don't have the Asian Aesthetic look. I’m an African American female, so I am looked at as trash by some people. Also, it is a male dominated community, I know of a few girls who have told me they don't have "the look" or “don't fit that ideal.” This ideal shouldn't be used as a rule for females who want to play. So for me, and this is my own personal experience again, I want to be judged by my play. You can say that I suck. And I'm fine with that. But when you base it on my looks then that's when I have a problem. I'm not there to please the males at the tournament with looks. I'm there to play and to get better. Judge me on my play rather than on my looks.

DMG|jason24cf: Do you feel any kind of resentment towards those standards mentioned?

DMG|BurnYourBra: I do at times. For example, at EVO I went around asking for help from other top players. I didn't want anyone to hold my hand. I was just looking for players who were better than me to play against because I believe it'll only make you better as a player. That Saturday during the female tourney, guys were cheering against me. Now, that wouldn't really bug me so much but what I noticed after the fact was that every female I played against was Asian when I heard the chatter the loudest. Now I don’t know really what that was about but I can only assume. No one helped me when I went around and asked for help, so I had to wing it on my own. But months after EVO, I get people telling me they, “would have helped me.” Some of these people were the same people who didn't have the time to help me at EVO. So what's so difference now after the tournament that you couldn't help me before? That was the question I asked myself that bugs me the most.

DMG|jason24cf: Now the EVO you mentioned is the EVO were you placed 2nd in the female tournament, correct?

DMG|BurnYourBra: Yes.

DMG|jason24cf: Do you have any ill feelings toward the player who placed first?

DMG|BurnYourBra: No! Actually Kayane and I talked during and after EVO we even talk on Facebook till this day. I have nothing against her. She's just like me, trying to learn the game and doing her best to get good at it. I didn't like the atmosphere surrounding the tournament, though. I didn't like the favoritism but I guess it was expected. I really didn't like the group of guys standing off the stage when once they saw that I was going to play Kayane, they immediately began telling her about things I do when I play. Those players are the same players I asked for help during the tournament who refused to assist me. Instead they gave me some cheap excuse on why “they couldnt help me at the moment,” but instead they are helping my opponent. In a twist of fate I now am the one who gets coached before a match “smiling and confused” since then players want to help me more now than before. Looking back on that day's atmosphere I would say it was really bad. I guess I wasn't used to it because I've never been in the spotlight like that before. My reaction was to not care about it when I got onstage, it was more about having fun, and then to leave and go back to the way things were. But it'll never go back to the way things were. To me it was one of the worst moments I experienced but I think it's made me stronger in some ways.

DMG|jason24cf: Now we have played against one another many nights, and I always say "your one of the best SF players around" I don’t say your "USA best female player” because you place top 10 in tournaments against men so I view you as a player and not by a title of "Best Female player". How do you feel about the whole "best USA female player" title?

DMG|BurnYourBra: It's a stupid title, I never once said that “I was the best female USA player,” but it's been somewhat pushed on me, which drives these snakes from their burrows. I've been challenged by many female players, there is one in particular who pretty much lied about our casual matches, and she goes on telling everyone she's the real #1 and people need to stop calling me the “best USA female player” and that she'll see me at EVO 2011 *laughs*. I find the way people want to gain fame to their name to be rather entertaining. The title means nothing to me. But I guess the bright side of it is that it has brought out more females to start playing as well as to get better. Many of them I have played before and they all want to beat me because of that title. By all means you can have it. Again I don't go around saying I'm the #1 female SSF4 player in America. Again, it means nothing to me and it's nothing to brag about. I look at a female opponent is just like a male opponent. It’s an opponent any way you look at it.

DMG|jason24cf: And I have seen more female players playing and this is great thing to have more females gamers playing because they too have the same passion as male players. It should really be all about the competition and not the gender.

DMG|BurnYourBra: Yes, I like as well. Some females just need that push to get out there and compete, some are just afraid because they don't have the look or they don't think they're good enough. I tell them, “Everyone starts somewhere. No one is automatically born good at this game. It takes time to practice and dedication.” Females can have that drive, just like male players do. I mentioned this in another interview before; I had no one around to push me to play. I play because I wanted to. I loved fighting games. I love playing games in general. I don't wait around for guys to tell you what to do. Sometimes you have to make that leap yourself and go jump in there and get your hands dirty, get your ass handed to you, and learn.

DMG|jason24cf: Are there things you think that can be done that can better the fighting game community?

DMG|BurnYourBra: “Respect” is the strongest word that comes to mind. Respect your fellow player. Remember, they are human just like you. They [mess] up, just like you. They're learning, just like you. They might not be on "your level" but that doesn't mean they aren't worth the time.

DMG|jason24cf: That I feel is a big problem in the fighting game community, I get a lot messages on XBL or PSN saying, "You're a scrub, why are on DMG?" and things of that nature but I still on the other hand to be fair I also get a few “GGs” or your “Fei Long is really strong.”

DMG|BurnYourBra: Your Fei Long is strong! And what I like about you is that when we play and I think you're becoming frustrated you still keep playing and you try to figure out what you can do, instead of just giving up. It's something I need to work on myself. But online play is something else in its self *laughs*. I don't go on ranked matches at all anymore, unless I'm on my other account. It's like people think every match is a tournament when you're playing, which it's not. I haven't got any of the, "Why are you in DMG?" said to me online directly but some people have spoke their mind to me about it without really mentioning "DMG" which is fine. When I [mess] up in a match I wonder that myself too *laughs*. But now that I think about it, I have got a few. I should've recorded some of the messages I got in the past. Some of them were downright ridiculous, stupid, and some of the pictures sent to me were porno kind of pics *laughs*. But I guess that's what trolls and haters do.

DMG|jason24cf: I respect that you have so many obstacles in front of you that can easily break someone's will. You instead keep moving forward and that is an accomplishment in itself.

DMG|BurnYourBra: Thank you, and again, this is just my personal experiences. I'm not saying what I'm going through is the norm for every female that plays. This is just what I experienced and sometimes I leave the venue wondering why I'm even doing this at all. What people don't know about me is that I don’t sit in front of my Xbox and play for hours upon hours anymore. I have a life outside Street Fighter. I go to school, I write novels, and I have a huge garden in the backyard that I love to maintain. So this isn't a job for me but it is one priority that I have. If that makes sense?

DMG|jason24cf: Same goes for me. I want to play as many hours as I can to get stronger as a player but just like you I have a life outside of Street Fighter. I have a job, a family with two kids, so I understand where you’re coming from.

DMG|BurnYourBra: Yeah, and family is more important. An education in these dire times is more important. It's almost a necessity *laughs*. In the end we both play because we enjoy the game and we love to compete.

DMG|jason24cf: What are some fighting game community goals you have for yourself this year?

DMG|BurnYourBra: Well, besides getting better at SF and playing Arcade Edition, one of my goals was to get back into the Vs. games since Marvel vs. Capcom 1 was the last one I played and really liked. But I'm so-so about Marvel vs. Capcom 3, so I've turned my attention over to Mortal Kombat. I tried the demo, and I liked it, so I'm going to pick it up when it comes out and see if it's something worth competing in. I'm also looking at getting into Skullgirls and Street Fighter X Tekken when that comes out... maybe? As for majors... I'm going to CEO with my other DMG members, I'm hoping to make Top 36 (depending on how many people enter) Of course, I'll be at EVO so I hope I can make it close to making it out of the bracket. I don't think I will honestly make it out of my bracket but one can hope, right :-) Oh and I almost forgot about ECT3. Rico told me to go last year but I didn't so hopefully this year I can make it, but I don’t know yet.

DMG|jason24cf: Well as long as you put forward your best effort in all those events then you can walk away with no regrets.

DMG|BurnYourBra Yeah, that's the way I look at it as well. I usually have a goal and I try to make that goal. It has to be a realistic goal for me anyways.

DMG|jason24cf: I know you’re a busy person and all so I won't take up anymore of your time, do you have any final words or shout outs?

DMG|BurnYourBra: Shout outs to Jaleel and FocusAttackcom. He's doing a lot for the community and sometimes I feel he goes unnoticed. Plus he always gives me words of encouragement so thanks Jaleel! The Traveling Circus for sponsoring and believing in DMG and other gamers like Tokido, GamerBee and Toxy. They're really helping out the community as well. Also EventHubs.com for believing in us. And to all DMG players, thanks for actually helping me level up and not taking it easy on me. Also, to my boyfriend Al for being my eyes and ears as well holding my fight stick at tournaments. Lastly, thank you Jason for all your hard work you do for DMG and for going out of your way to help DMG get stronger. THANK YOU!

DMG|jason24cf: I want to thank BurnYourBra once again for this interview. I want to send a shout-out to all the female gamers around, a few that I would like to thank are as follows: Ashley "The Faro" of EmpireStategamer.com, April Martin for paybackgames.com, Candace of PDP, Kanaye and of course BurnYourBra. Stay tunned for more interviews here on Eventhubs.com as well as follow me on Twitter @jason24cf.

Comments

YoshinatorZ said on April 15, 2011 at 12:20 a.m.

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Sasori_ said on April 15, 2011 at 12:26 a.m.

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#2
Remster said on April 15, 2011 at 12:32 a.m.

@1 Oh great, lets enforce more stereotypes.

#3
Kcorley1991 said on April 15, 2011 at 12:33 a.m.

dont get salty because you lose to ladies...in more then one aspect of life probably ;). This is here so people understand keep the hate to a minimum.

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illness690 said on April 15, 2011 at 12:35 a.m.

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illness690 said on April 15, 2011 at 12:37 a.m.

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#6
Remster said on April 15, 2011 at 12:42 a.m.

I think the scene just needs a few more pro girls in the spotlight, getting top 8 at evo or something. The womens tournament definitely helped with that but to get the full respect of the community it needs to be in generals. The community is still developing, give it time.

#7
kungfuk1d69 said on April 15, 2011 at 12:42 a.m.

She's a really really good gamer, and I respect her. I'm just wondering why she always talks with "uncertainty." You know what I mean? She always says things like, "well I'm not sure, but" or "I'm not saying I'm the best, but." Just wondering. I wish I could play in a tourney with her.

#8
Struggs said on April 15, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.

@1 and @2 So she should not talk about a problem that's been affecting her at tournaments because she's a girl? You disgust me. She's getting racial slurs thrown at her and she's just supposed to shut up and take it? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

#9
goron_ninja said on April 15, 2011 at 12:47 a.m.

@2 racism dont exist so lets just sweep it under the carpet right? no one ever gets discriminated against because of their race. never happens. nope.

#10
RoggingCamp said on April 15, 2011 at 12:52 a.m.

Let's fight like ladies.

#11
smashingme said on April 15, 2011 at 12:55 a.m.

Sounds like guys don't hate on female players, they hate on you. When someone tells you you're a black bitch, you tell them to stay free.

Asian people are instantly good at games when they get born everybody knows that right? (ITS A JOKE PEOPLE)

#12
Struggs said on April 15, 2011 at 12:57 a.m.

@smashingme it's called crossing the line. There's a big difference between trash talk and making racist remarks or jokes for that matter.

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InitialR said on April 15, 2011 at 1:03 a.m.

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#14
SaintAvi said on April 15, 2011 at 1:06 a.m.

Racist remarks cross the line and there isnt any denying that she is a great player.

However I dont think she is considered unattractive because of her race [barring bigoted folk], fact is that she is pretty overweight which is near universally seen as an unattractive quality.

#15
KizaruOfLight said on April 15, 2011 at 1:06 a.m.

Mad respect to BurnYourBra. Screw the haters.

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InitialR said on April 15, 2011 at 1:06 a.m.

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#17
KizaruOfLight said on April 15, 2011 at 1:08 a.m.

@16 Isn't chocoblanka asian though? Lol thats why no one trash talks her.

#18
InitialR said on April 15, 2011 at 1:09 a.m.

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#19
Dude130 said on April 15, 2011 at 1:09 a.m.

This chicks a gamer, a fighter gamer & I as a guy have to respect that because not many ladys love fighting games. What it is with guys is that they can't take losing & if they lose to a lady then to them its like they've had their manhood crushed so they lash out stupidly.

#20
Shareware said on April 15, 2011 at 1:10 a.m.

Call it white knighting, but props to BYB for being able to tough this bullsh!t out for so long. I'd have blown up a lot sooner.

Some people are intent on staying free forever, and I didn't see any names named up there, so I assume it was just some scrubby nobodies.

#21
duckmouth said on April 15, 2011 at 1:17 a.m.

"If I was younger I would have probably knocked him the [heck] out but that's not why I'm there."

This tells me everything I need to know about her I'm afraid. Women who speak like this are, without exception, extremely disagreeable. This in no way justifies any racism, I should add.

#22
Struggs said on April 15, 2011 at 1:18 a.m.

Always comes down to looks with female gamers. No one talks about Daigo's looks on here after he beats Justin they talk about the match instead. As soon as it's a girl though her looks always come up. Why is that?

#23
xShonuffx said on April 15, 2011 at 1:23 a.m.

I have the upmost respect for female gamers, long long time ago it was kind of unusual to find female gamers but they don't just exist in Fighting games they play FPS, they play all kinds of games and they are very good.

It's also worth noting that Female gamers potentially could be better than most males because the way they process things in their mind is far superior to us males which is why I think BYB is so good, she is actually trying to learn.

I do feel that if she was to be trained by major pros like jwong or Marn or whoever, she would be a force to be reckoned with. I hope she continues to become stronger, there ain't nothing i'd like to see more is to see a female gamer get top 8 at EVO.

#24
kingofthesharks said on April 15, 2011 at 1:34 a.m.

@25

People may not talk about Daigo's looks, but they comment on Justin's and now Marn's all the time. Negatively, but it still matters. The male dominated comments on youtube and streams will never admit or say a man is good-looking, but they sure know how to declare a man ugly. It's the internet, people can say whatever the hell they want cuz they aren't operating under their real name. When it gets to RL like BYB's story, then it's no different than if they were stream monsters. I'd say its a dumb decision to express one's prejudices out loud, but the bad part is having them period.

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lathebrightman said on April 15, 2011 at 1:36 a.m.

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SaintAvi said on April 15, 2011 at 1:36 a.m.

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#27
MisguidedAngel said on April 15, 2011 at 1:39 a.m.

Who cares if she's the definition of attractive or not?? 90% of the fighting game male community wouldn't fit into the definition of what's attractive for a male, either

#28
cvs said on April 15, 2011 at 2:02 a.m.

wow. lmao

#29
Kcorley1991 said on April 15, 2011 at 2:04 a.m.

@31

Im with you on that.. There are some train wrecks out their on the male side of gaming. They are our boys but man...... take some of the tourny winnings and go freshen up

#30
Grimmjow316 said on April 15, 2011 at 2:23 a.m.

Being from Houston but not active in the scene this is very disturbing and a shame for someone like myself who wants to enter the scene and see that girls are treated like this I have respect for any player overlooking gender because that is what's not important when it comes to a game skill is if I see a girl and she's badass I'll give her props and if she's not good I'll help her out same with any fellow male players like myself trying to learn and succeed.

#31
crispylinks77 said on April 15, 2011 at 2:23 a.m.

There is only one factor that changes the way I act towards female gamers... and that's attractiveness.

If they are pretty, I let them win :)

But fugs get no respect out of me haha!

#32
ShadowoftheDarkgod said on April 15, 2011 at 2:38 a.m.

What a pussy. Literally. It doesn't matter if your a boy/girl, black/white/green/red or whatever. Whenever there's competition and especially in videogames which people view as fun, you're gonna get insulted. Of course it hurts sometimes, but taking it as a tongue in cheek should be part of the game.

Now, if its not during a tourney, thats a different story.

#33
Sasori_ said on April 15, 2011 at 2:38 a.m.

Meh idk if posts get deleted or all the white knights try to defend her. Or anyone for that matter. This is just the case for today. I just dont understand how people in this day and age are still hurt by simple words. Guess im just one to not really care when people cry about being made fun of or discriminated no matter what the word/slur. Just show em your better and an established human being because you dont let crap get to you lol. People can call me or shout at me whatever they like, i just dont get offended lol. As anyone should. People's pride is their weakness. I'd rather be confident and have self esteem, than try and draw attention to myself and get people to come to my side because someone decided to call me a racial slur. All in all the scene has changed drastically and will never be the same. Nowadays its more of the "Gaming Pissing Contest" than a community more often than none.

#34
Sasori_ said on April 15, 2011 at 2:41 a.m.

As 36 said before me:

What a pussy. They're just words. Get over it and play the game for the better of yourself, not to get recognition.

#35
Struggs said on April 15, 2011 at 2:55 a.m.

@36/@37 Good to know that both of you support racism and that to you racism is "tongue in cheek". The amount of ignorance and plain stupidity that both of you show amazes me. I thought more people had come to understand and accept that there's no room for racism but you've both shown me there's a long way to go.

#36
JinZo said on April 15, 2011 at 3:05 a.m.

The gaming community has always been crude and foul. More so in the tournament scene, where people actually get mad or angry. This should be common sense, although I do feel bad for her(BurnYourBra).

#37
goron_ninja said on April 15, 2011 at 3:10 a.m.

blown away by how many people saying 'this is just the way it is...'

its that way until people take a stand and start doing something about bullsh-t like this. there should be a zero tolerance policy for racism and this kind of sh-t. accepting its a part of life don't help it you need to get up and make a change by not supporting or accepting garbage.

#38
Geniuzz said on April 15, 2011 at 3:11 a.m.

I am not so sure if the "they're just words" argument flies, especially when you talk about racism. When someone says: "You play like crap" that's trash talk and people should be able to take it. When you start with the N-word, and that type off stuff, I am certain you're not just trying to get under someone's skin, you want to insult, to hurt and that is not what trash talk is about,in my opinion.

Of course there also those who say "All is fair in love and war", but to them I say "Chill, man, in the end it's still just a game."

Your idea of what is right and wrong is at least compromised if you feel there is a place for racism in the fighting game community. This also applies to sexist behaviour, of course.

#39
Tomiwa11 said on April 15, 2011 at 3:16 a.m.

u notice deres a theme with the ppl cussing her out - dey always omitted part of her story - just pick one thing out and criticise
firstly - being racist is not like calling sum1 silly names - its beyond dat...its like showing hatred to their very hertiage or cos your minority - tbh u wud only understand once sum1 has done it to u - and @24 ur a MUG (yes im from London,UK) wen sum1 is racist to u its makes u wana knock dem out...
secondly - jus cos shes a gurl dont mean its cool to be sexist - female gamers shud be respected in the community and not segregated
thirdly - ppl commenting on her weight get a life - we all kno ppl who r overweight but dat dont get us the right to cuss dem out

im sure most of yall are just sum angry 14yrold kids anyway...

#40
J said on April 15, 2011 at 3:17 a.m.

Racism has absolutely place in this community. It doesn't matter which color the fingers are that are hitting the buttons or if the nails on those fingers are painted. Be respectful (even when thrashtalking) or gtfo.

#41
The_True_Gouki said on April 15, 2011 at 3:19 a.m.

As a White, Black, Puerto-Rican, Native American (not joking) I find it hilarious when sh*t talking is at it's highest degree. Think Yipes. However, when it comes to racism or attacking a person for who they are merely for beating your a*s down is quite pathetic. Don't get me wrong, on PSN I absolutely LOVE being a racist prick because it's funny as f*ck to watch a person get so steamed when I am basically talking about my own people. A lot of the time it isn't anywhere near harsh, and I am also ONLY like that toward foes who are without a doubt spamming or using cheap bitch like methods in order to obtain an easy higher rank. It's just ridiculous but to make myself laugh, I blow up on them and call their dumb a*s out on everything I can because I don't know them, it's not personal and it's fun. I do not support anything BurnYourBra was against though as she is absolutely right.

#42
Chenda_Sheen said on April 15, 2011 at 3:23 a.m.

There is no room for racism, at school, work, church why is a video game tourney any different? There's more trash talking in pro sports and sports in general, you think its okay to spew racial slur then?

#43
smashingme said on April 15, 2011 at 3:25 a.m.

No man, 37 is right.

As soon as someone offends you, just give them the u mad look and laugh it off. If they see they won't get to you they will eventually stop because it doesn't affect you in any way.

Racism is f'n idiotic and you shouldn't even let people who talk like that into your world, ignore them.

Still, I rather be insulted then getting suckerpunched in the face (Noel Brown).

#44
CowboyBebopCrew said on April 15, 2011 at 3:32 a.m.

I'm glad BurnYourBra did the interview about this subject. It's about time someone began to talk about this.

Personally, I feel like trash talking should be strictly about the game. Once it breaches beyond the game (i.e. referring to insulting people's race, gender religion, sexual orientation, etc.) I feel like it's no longer trash talking.

-JB

#45
Drippy_Nozzle said on April 15, 2011 at 3:35 a.m.

This is disgusting. To be descriminated against on the grounds of race is more than "just words" as some people are saying it to be. Its about the centuries of discrimination that are supposed to be over. I feel sick to the stomach reading this, as well as some of your responses. Using a persons race or gender as an insult is disgraceful and archaic. They should be bloody ashamed.

#46
RA_MO said on April 15, 2011 at 3:38 a.m.

This all seems like an overall lost cause... Sadly. She has made her points and many can agree and understand but others will never. Every single person no matter what your overall persona may be online or in person... have a breaking point. May take some longer to get there than others but we all get there nonetheless. In public it may happen rather quicly.. As for online.. Since the masses, for the most part, are not seen, you can hide any frustrations you may have.. If any. Regardless what is being said whether you can stomach it or not... If people have a problem with it, it must be wrong... Things like this has always been around... And it does not seem it will ever leave. I mean in ways, you can try to think about it for a second... She is black, I guess overweight and plays video games.. And for some reasons she beats you. What exactly made her a b****? If you would have won... With that mindset, wouldn't that just make you one if you beat her? I mean most feel that she talking about that is a waste.. But I think if that is the case, then it is just as much of a waste explaining why you feel she is taking it too hard. words spoken here or anywhere have equal value in me opinion... and if you diagree, well then, you are a waste of time.

#47
4120u said on April 15, 2011 at 3:47 a.m.

IRL, 37 would be crying in a corner.

#48
pinoy929 said on April 15, 2011 at 3:51 a.m.

Trash talking is disrespecting/challenging someone's skill. What it sounds like is beyond trash talking.

#49
Mr_Clack said on April 15, 2011 at 3:56 a.m.

Racism is alive and well and I would gas a majority of you on this planet if I had the means.

I can tell a racist/bigot by just looking at them. And 1/2 of them are the same race as me!

I was wondering if Catalyst would be BOLD and use her "not so typical" face and OFCOURSE he didnt!

#50
BaroqueObama said on April 15, 2011 at 4:02 a.m.

>your

#51
RoKtheReaper said on April 15, 2011 at 4:05 a.m.

BurnYourBra is a complete joke. Let me tell you why.

First off, her skill is about that of an average gamer which is why she didn't place in the Top anything at Evo except for the Women's Invitational, which in itself, is very sexist because we didn't have an "All Male" tournament. Even their finals was best 2/3.

Also, she is a traitor, as after she had her little 5 minutes of fame she left long time group "Fight Nation EX" (FNEX) to join DMG.

Also, I'm working on an article that discusses female gamers. However, I feel that BurnYourBra is a bad example for the fact that she does let the fact she's a girl influence a lot of the way she talks to people. Me and her aren't on the best of terms, and she often did use the fact that she's a female as a sort of insult to try and damage my male "pride".

All-in-all, terrible person.

#52
firkraag said on April 15, 2011 at 4:13 a.m.

Just people being people.
Some are cool others are a-holes, it's like that in your gaming community, in your job, in your neighborhood.

Here's one thing we could do: hold hands and sing hymns to the Lord wishing for a better world. [/sarcasm] -_-

#53
ShadowoftheDarkgod said on April 15, 2011 at 4:22 a.m.

LOL @ 39 and the rest of pussies in here.

I'm Asian and I get insulted a lot during our tourneys and I don't waah waaah about it. Typical Americans always playing the race card. Even my closest friends insult the s**t out of me when we're playing, of course I insult the s**t out of them too. Its before and after the tourney that matters since you just hang out and chill about it.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Should take up competitive knitting or something, there's no trash talking there.

#54
shaosam said on April 15, 2011 at 4:33 a.m.

@55 You sound like one of those whiney ass "white nationalists" that post on stormfront.org about all the oppression and hardship that white people experience, and how there should be White Heritage month or White Cultural Centers on college campuses. Why are you threatened by an all female tournament? Insecure much bro? Does your masculinity feel threatened by a bunch of girls having their tournament in a community that is 99% sausage? This isn't some insidious man-hating conspiracy, it's a freaking tournament with like 4 girls in it. How the hell does that even affect you?

#55
xShonuffx said on April 15, 2011 at 4:40 a.m.

It's easy for us guys to become insensitive to the subject of sexsisim because it does'nt effect us in the same way as it does a woman, especially in gaming. Look at the female gamers in MLG and other gaming leagues. Most of the mare actually pretty atractive but even they worry that their judged by their looks and not their skills. It's somethng that effects all women.

What this really is about it seems is that she is under pressure. Pressure to perform better and it seems as if she is using her looks as an excuse because she is constantly compared to other female gamers who may be "attractive" by western standards.

First off, she is not bad looking, i've seen her and she is cute, yeah she ain't no model, but it's not like she is a bugga boo or something. I think she might have a self confidence issue, most women do. I promise you Kayane has it worst because she is already blessed with this "asian asthetic" as BYB describes. She is pretty and very talanted, thats more pressure than it is on BYB, at least BYB does'nt have to worry about how she dresses or how she looks, all she has to worry about is getting in there and kicking butt. Which leads me to my final point.

Also if I may add, some of you gusy cirticizing BYB could take some GQ tips yourself, I watch the streams too and damn!

BYB, sweetheart, just focus on your game, don't listen to these losers, keep playing and practicing, this is how you gain respect. if you focus on these retards who disrespect you, it will distract you from your goal of becoming the best. It's something Marn has learned long ago, he has accepted the fact people are not gonna respect him because of how he looks but look at him. He trains all the time and is one of the number one Street Fighter players and Marvel 3 players in the country. Focus on your game and level up, and when you win that Top Spot, you will gain that respect you want. But until then ignore it because half of the folks here probably could never compete at your level anyways.

#56
Shenaniganz said on April 15, 2011 at 5:17 a.m.

LOL @ 57

You bringing up you're friends is irrelevant. They are you're friends so racial slurs are very unlikely to cause the type of pain that one would recieve from someone that you do not know.

Trash talking within the game is completely fine. As it is just that. Within the game. But why bring something like race into it? Despite the fact that it is still a touchy subject.

Some ignorant people on here. SMH

#57
Helios86 said on April 15, 2011 at 5:20 a.m.

HAHAHAHAHAHA This is just a powder keg WAITING to explode... Interviewing a female, ok that's somewhat different. Chicks don't get too much mention in gaming as it is, but in fighting games I would go as far as to say they play that the second least out of all VG genres (after RTS's) But interviewing a BLACK girl? Methinks they wanted to flare people up. But hey, publicity is in fact everything and that's clearly what these "DMG" fellows wanted to do, same as any guild/clan/gaming group. Hats off to them for setting back political correctness about a decade and keep up the good work there Queen Kong. I swear, that's ALL blacks play, sports games and fighting games.

#58
powdertoastzman said on April 15, 2011 at 5:31 a.m.

lol yall crazy....racism exists just deal with it......i just laugh at it.

#59
genesiskhan said on April 15, 2011 at 5:34 a.m.

seriously she just a girl and im sure most of u be just nervous haha i mean dont hate cause she a girl shoot id be just trying to compete or hit it hahaah

#60
Zombie4u said on April 15, 2011 at 5:36 a.m.

What is up with all the "macho nerd talk?"

All she's saying is play the game, but be respectful.

Some of you are struggling with this one.

#61
Geniuzz said on April 15, 2011 at 5:39 a.m.

So, people get mad salty when they get beat by a girl? You do realise that if you play online your @$$ gets handed to you by kids and what not?

I know losses can be frustrating, but try to have some dignity, chaps.

#62
DeathQuote44 said on April 15, 2011 at 5:47 a.m.

Losing a match to me means that I need to get better not bitter. I'd be lying if I said that people can't be cheap, but losing is gonna happen sometime in life and it really gets me down when people can't accept it. If you lose, people just grin and bear it.

#63
Jandro83 said on April 15, 2011 at 5:48 a.m.

I completely agree with what this girl was talking about in the interview.The community is very childish in that sense, I understand trash talking and messing around with people you know. But being talked to like that by some salty complete stranger, I'd smash his face in. Also all this separating females on another category is completely stupid and immature on part of tournament organizers, every tourney should be inter gender it's a VIDEO GAME. It's not a real physical sport where the male has some actual physical advantage. It's just a video game with a controller where both players are on equal ground and genders don't matter one bit.

#64
maelor said on April 15, 2011 at 5:56 a.m.

I think its sad that this still happens, but maybe she can look at the bright side... if these dudes are saying those kinds of ignorant things its probably because she beat them badly. Men don't like to lose, and when they do, if they are weak minded they will attack the easiest or fastest target they can just to feel a little bigger. Race and gender are just easy targets for a cheap shot. It makes them look weaker though. Either way I say take it as a compliment... their remarks mean they couldn't take her heat.

#65
cweathers said on April 15, 2011 at 5:57 a.m.

Mad props BYB, but if you want to stop all the trash talking...just win. I'm black, 6'5, 210 lbs so I stand out.

For blacks to walk into a community dominated by smaller, socially challenged, introverted white/asian males is BOLD in itself, but if you aren't winning then ya gotta take the trash talking and racist remarks because that's just what they do. That's what all people do.

#66
LordJim said on April 15, 2011 at 6:08 a.m.

I know this is a serious issue and all, but the EVO 2010 Finals for SF women tourney made me cringe...

#67
shaosam said on April 15, 2011 at 6:14 a.m.

@70 That's a perfectly valid criticism. That's exactly what BYB is saying: criticize her playing skills all you want. She's there to play and her skills are fair game. Her race/gender are completely irrelevant.

Now if she had a giant sign above her head that said "DURR HURR I'M A GRRRRL GAMER" then that would be a different story and she'd be fair game.

#68
LordJim said on April 15, 2011 at 6:21 a.m.

@71
Dude, her nickname is 'BurnYourBra'.
The ones who insult are the ones with the actual problem of course, but the sign you mentioned is there.

#69
ShinRyoga said on April 15, 2011 at 6:26 a.m.

I just don't think I can f***ing take reading stupidity on the internet any longer. If you are RACIST...if you are SEXIST...

PUT YOURSELF IN THE OTHER PERSON'S SHOES AND F***ING GROW UP ALREADY.

Seriously. How is this so hard? How has this been so hard throughout all of history? We need to understand one another...but is this going to happen? Will we eventually just learn to accept and care for each other no matter what they look like or what their circumstances are? Well, things aren't looking so good.

HATE
NEEDS
TO DIE.

#70
x_Who_Is_Alpha said on April 15, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.

I don't want to be 'that' guy, but why is there a female competition at EVO? Shouldn't everyone be playing in the same category?

#71
Hakansoilbarrel said on April 15, 2011 at 6:27 a.m.

(Not sure what 'the look' section was about, especially if she's got a BF.

I think it's less that there's an "asian archetype" and more of a "asians are usually naturally thinner/fitter than most other races". I mean tbh, ByB isn't that attractive, asian or not. Forgot who suggested it earlier in comments, but if she'd work on her bod a lil'...

But seriously, doesn't really matter. Most internet dudes want anime chicks who defy gravity anyway. And people make fun of Marn like crazy.)

#72
Mutlak said on April 15, 2011 at 6:28 a.m.

Whilst there are genuine gripes to be had with calling people racist slurs, some of the stuff in there reads like a school yard quibble. What I'm getting at is the stuff where she says certain players wouldn't help her or that she doesn't fit a certain "aesthetic" as she puts it.

Without wanting to be harsh about it, if you are overweight, people will treat you a certain way. You cannot change people's minds or opinions, only your own so the onus is on you, in those kinds of situations, to overcome the problem you're faced with. Either diet, let the remarks slide off like water to a duck's back or just smack talk right back.

As for beinga woman or black, well you can never condone genuinely sexist or racist remarks. Not being a woman it is hard to relate to sexism, especially when it is so ingrained in our society and after speaking to some feminists (both the extreme and mild varities) there are a lot of things we take for granted as men whereas women have to work for them. I do it myself without even realising, I've often caught myself thinking about female gamers as "wow she's good, for a girl!". And that's just games.

#73
Endgame said on April 15, 2011 at 6:49 a.m.

If you can play a fighting game, you can get good at it.

So appearances mean nothing, it is all about the game-plan.

Though I bet a lot of the disrespect comes from self-insecurities.

And the only gender role that should exist is baby-making, everything else can be done by anyone no matter what sex.

#74
aj said on April 15, 2011 at 6:56 a.m.

Aaaand this is exactly why tournament goers will never have relationships

#75
robococky said on April 15, 2011 at 6:57 a.m.

@ShadowoftheDarkgod
You say that your friends talk trash about you during matches but outside the tourneys you guys hang out. You didn't get the point of burnyourbra, she got insulted by people who are not her friends, do you get it? Did you read this interview before calling people pussies or did you understand it?

#76
Wingman said on April 15, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.

Props to BurnYourBra for doing this interview. I agree, there needs to be more respect among players. Regardless of where we're from, what we look like, what color skin we have, what gender we are, etc: we are all members of the fighting game community, and our love for these games should bring everyone together instead of causing hate. I understand that there will be rivalries, and that's all good. But when all is said and done, after a match, there shouldn't be a reason why two players can't shake hands.

#77
jason24cf said on April 15, 2011 at 7:01 a.m.

@55 RoktheReaper

This is a reply from BYB herself.

Rok, you're one of those people who just won't go away. Like a knat hovering . . .
I shouldn't even address you because wherever I go, you're there. But I find it completely hilarious that you post like you know me.

You posted that "she often did use the fact that she's a female as a sort of insult to try and damage my male "pride" Sorry if I threatened your male "pride" by winning our match. How about this. How about you drop it, and level up, I have. If I was "so average" at the time and beat you then what does that make you?
Instead of calling me a traitor, how about you get your information together and try to TROLL correctly.

Like you said in your post "Me and her aren't on the best of terms"

You're right. We aren't.

Seriously, you've had your troll time Rok. I've fed you for too long.

#78
Someday said on April 15, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.

That is so funny, really.

Its like hate mail, but irl. All you should do is smile in their faces, cause you won and their are lost, and they can do nothing about it just trash talk with a salty behavior.

#79
jason24cf said on April 15, 2011 at 7:06 a.m.

I still find it amazing to read post from people who try to play off there comment like as if its a joke. I thank you for taking the time to read the interview but leave your immature comments to yourself. These are real issues that she deals with. And still I see post about her "looks" and things of that nature and its the same point she is trying to make.

Open your mind already and grow up people

#80
Doopliss said on April 15, 2011 at 7:12 a.m.

Wow, the american offline community really seems crappy. I'm glad not to be a part of it.

#81
Mabans said on April 15, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.

I do agree 100% with BurnYouBra in terms of guys being douche bags and no reason she should be exposed to racism but that's the culture the internet has bread. People are actually starting to act like azhos outside of there basement now but because others who they are interacting with are basement dwellers as well they don't realize that the ideal thing to do is punch that Jerk in the face. Silly children..

Only problem I have with her is this situation where she is seemingly playing up the victim role, not sure though. This is 2011 and 2010 when these incidents at EVO. She could have spoken up then and have players called out. As for the Asian aesthetic comments, I don't think it was because of that because she isn't aesthetic pleasing to my eyes. I can get down "It's BS that no one will help me because I'm not a hot girl" but saying that you are not being helped because you are not a hot Asian girl is prejudice on the same level that people are doing to you.

@Endgame No they can't. A father can't raise girl with the same sensibility and understand that a mother can and vice versa. It's a paradox, I know somehow we all want to be the same but we can't want to be same while trying to retain our individuality. Rather than trying to treat everyone the same, just be accepting. I could go into biological things that women can do that men CAN'T and not just baby birthing and breast feeding obviously but things like higher resistance to stress, higher tolerance for pain and other hormonal based things they can do because of Estrogen, something we DON'T Have. Take a moment and look for studies, interesting stuff. Anyway fundamentally we are both built different and that's ok because there needs to be that duality in child rearing and dealing with day to day situations for example, this is what my chick and I do as parents.

What we need isn't the ability to treat everyone the same but the understanding behind that so situations like the one BYB is going through doesn't existing anymore. But saying well women or men can do everything that the other can do, is a bit naive and unrealistic and when those expectations are met by the one who is making them.. Well then you have convoluted situations like BYBs where she is 100% right about being treated unfairly and racism but then goes off the deep end by saying "That's because I'm not an asian girl!" all I can do is stare and be like "Really?"

Then again when dealing with little kids can't get mad when you realized they peed the bed..

#82
Awesome_Dhalsim said on April 15, 2011 at 7:36 a.m.

Dear Eventhubs,
Please stop posting community issue blogs- all it does is get the forums infested in a flame war against hateful comments- which are in turn... hateful (this cycle could be avoided, if you guys would just leave these blogs to their location of origin and people can seek them out if they choose to do so).

Keep your yoga

#83
SnakeX said on April 15, 2011 at 7:45 a.m.

I love being able to pick out all of the comments on here made by people that clearly didn't read the whole thing before they scrolled right down to the comment box to say something stupid without using their brains.

She's not addressing trash talking, she says she's completely fine with it, you morons. She's addressing the fact that trash talk turns into sexism and racism as opposed to harmless insults based on her skill. THAT kind of trash talk doesn't belong in the fighting game community, online or off. She's not asking you to like her, she's not looking for your praise, she just doesn't want you insulting her based on her gender or race.
It's really not that hard of a thing to grasp, but some of the usual commenters on this site aren't exactly the brightest bunch, so I really shouldn't be surprised.

#84
DarkRyu94 said on April 15, 2011 at 7:53 a.m.

It dont matter about your gender just your skills and there is nothing shameful about having your arse handed to you by a woman.
I played a girl last night on SSF4 and she was really good we were around the same skill level but I didnt dismiss me as being superior because im male. She kicked my arse with a lot of skill but I learned from her and by the 5th match we were pretty much equal. I didnt know she was a girl til after the matches.
Proof there that females are just as good as males.
Of course you get arseholes like #1 and #2 but hey not everyone can be mature and accept their defeat.

#85
jason24cf said on April 15, 2011 at 7:56 a.m.

@86 Asome_Dahlsim this is a interview not a blog. Her blog was never posted on EventHubs.I brought awarness to the issue with a interview. If people are not aware of an issue then there would be no way of correcting the issue.

#86
KreativeKing said on April 15, 2011 at 8 a.m.

BurnYourBra Video Interview about the same issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oczA3L...

#87
Alkipot said on April 15, 2011 at 8:02 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#88
Tri_Gamer said on April 15, 2011 at 8:08 a.m.

Must be coincidence that AllisFighter put up a very similar article http://allisfighter.com/news/newspost... must be respect day for the fighting game community.

#89
Alkipot said on April 15, 2011 at 8:11 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#90
fawaz said on April 15, 2011 at 8:12 a.m.
#91
Super_Shoto_Fighter_4 said on April 15, 2011 at 8:21 a.m.

Insulting someone's skill at game, fair enough.
Insulting someone's gender/sexuality/race over a computer game... well expect to get punched in the face. Hype or no hype, I wouldn't put up with that.

#92
fawaz said on April 15, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.

Well, insult in any form is after all, an insult. So it isn't good. And it's just a game. I know rage is quite natural after losing. But the main game is to overcome your rage with tolerance. That is true strength.

#93
Ghier99 said on April 15, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.

Theres just so much pride in the fighting game community. A lot of guys think they should be able to beat a girl just because they are a girl. Doesnt matter how good or bad they actually are. Xbox live scrubs who cap out at 1500 bp probably think they should beat burnyourbra or kayane or choco. Its pretty ridiculous.

#94
xShonuffx said on April 15, 2011 at 8:42 a.m.

@72 But what does her name say about her? I don't even think most people here know where the term "burn your bra" comes from. the name is obviously personal to her, I doubt it's some undisclosed attempt to direct attention to her and even if it did, why would that be a legitiment reason for anyone to say disrespectful and hateful things to her?

If someone who is Gay "played the part" and made it obvious he was Gay, do you think it's right to say hateful gay comments to them just because he is overtly expressing himself?

You always have a choice to say something, does'nt matter how you feel about someone, you can choose NOT to say things out of respect. If you can't do that then you are wrong and have a serious problem. If that person has not done anything to you to hurt you personally, you simply have no right to attack her. End of story.

She is a woman and as a woman it's twice as hard to earn respect as a pro gamer than it is a man. It's the way of the world. We should'nt be arguing her point, we should be embracing it, improve our standards in the community and let people know this is'nt right.

I think a good example of this is the "Broly" guy. he has a serious condition that he has overcame through hard work and dedication. I promise you if anyone said one, I mean one thing bad about him, everyone would demonize that person till he had to go into hiding, but because this is just a woman, an african american woman, she's automatically an exception? Cmon. It's time for this community to grow up.

#95
jason24cf said on April 15, 2011 at 8:52 a.m.

@98 xShonuffx So true, very well said.

#96
werewolfgold said on April 15, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.

Dude, though I will say that her handle may be slightly incendiary (heh heh), people just need to stop being douchebags. Sometimes, the answer is a punch in the face, sometimes it isn't. But, unless people start seeing some consequences for acting that way, then they're just going to keep on doing it.

Stay classy, people. I sometimes think that even trash talk can get a little stupid. But, to make racist and sexist comments on top of that? Grow the **** up, huh?

#97
Calahad said on April 15, 2011 at 8:57 a.m.

Interesting... I went into a room yesterday and I beat everyone in the with my chris redfield...I was called the N-word left and right. I didn't even have my mic on at the time...Sad really. Racism is still prevalent, and very overt in this country. Now, it is the go to insult with online gaming...

#98
YoshinatorZ said on April 15, 2011 at 8:58 a.m.

Yeah, hey, hi. I just want to say just because one person did something bad now ALL of the community is a bunch of a-holes. Have you seen how nice some of the people are in Wednesday Night Fights?

And if anything, they should be upset about the racial remarks, not that she's a girl.

#99
shaosam said on April 15, 2011 at 9:01 a.m.

@98 because any female gamer who goes "HAY GUIZE IM A GURL TEE HEE" deserves to be punched in the face. If you want to be treated as an equal, act with some friggin dignity and don't let yourself be defined by your gender.

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