This week's episode of Juicebox Abel's podcast deals with the topic of tier lists. Juicebox attempts to clear up some of the conceptions of what a tier list is and what it should be used for, along with some deeper thoughts on the subject.
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this vid just taught me some basic stuff to do against abel's anti-zangief ultra.
Gonna add this to my MP3 player and listen to it later. Love Juicebox's podcasts.
lol, I just noticed that it's a picture of Jucebox and Abel in the post. At first I thought it was Sakura because of how low tier she's considered.
hmm not sure if I like the new format. His cohost Rowanne didn't really add much which I guess was the point. Point of view from a complete novice, but still sounded like he got his mom or aunt to join him host the show. Also not sure if he's always sounded like this, but he's starting to sound all blowhardy. Still very informative.
I'm not digging the co-host idea. At the very least he should have brought in someone more knowledgeable about Street Fighter, who he wouldn't talk down to quite so much, and who could ask more informed questions. I liked it better when it was just him talking to us, instead of making some friend of his look bad.
Still, props to Juicebox for letting people know that tier lists aren't the final word on everything. A lot of folks act like they're all put together by infallible geniuses who know absolutely everything, and that's just not true. Sometimes someone new rolls in, or an established player picks a new character, and they show everyone that they weren't using the best tricks and tactics before. And you know what? That can only happen if people strike out for themselves instead of making themselves into clones of their favorite SF celebrities. Juicebox seems like he really understands that, so kudos to him.
Seriously, this is bad. I totally appreciate the effort put forth by JuiceBox, as his knowledge/experience in SSF4 is really helpful, but we don't need another podcast that doesn't talk high level strat. I think that having portions of the show explain things for the uninitiated is helpful, it seems like a waste of time for people who play SF on a regular basis. I don't want to learn how to teach SF. I want to hear about high-level strats/ match-up talk/ Etc. Not only that, the co-host seems to come off as genuinely disinterested. It sounds exactly like what talking to any casual player feels like. The co-host has a total "smile and nod" reaction going on, and this hasn't even gotten complicated yet...
I suggest that this podcast go the opposite direction. High-level conversation on competitive SF. Interviews kept to a minimum, and focused squarely on improving the level of play in the community.
Kind of annoyed Juicebox said "there are no wrong opinions." Of course there are wrong opinions. The opinion "Shaq Fu is a more competitive fighting game than Super Street Fighter 4" is a wrong opinion. The world is the way it is because millions of wrong opinions.
@ #16 That's not an opinion that's a person trying to state a fact you can actually gauge and quantify how competitive a game is.
An opinion is more like "Shaqfu is more technichal then sf4" There is no wrong our right because its up to the person to judge. Just because you think its wrong doesn't mean anything at all. Thinking its wrong or right is just an other opinion =p
You learn less with her in there just agreeing n gigglin at everything. I'm not listening to hear jbx get his ego stroked by some random chick.
I agree with 8, 9 and 13.
Also, how easy a character is to use *is* important, because of the human factor. Nobody's a perfect SF-playing cyborg, even at the very highest levels people drop links all the time. A character being easy to use at lower levels of play, as long as they've got the tools to make it at a high level, will translate to increased *consistency* later on.
@ #19
Just because something isn't strictly a fact doesn't mean it can't qualify as true or false. Saying, "it is wrong to torture children for no reason" isn't based off any empirical information... but it's true. That goes for any moral claim, really.
I would also say technicality is measurable, so the claim that Shaq Fu is more technical than SF4 would probably come out false. In fairness, I haven't tested that claim personally.
<3 juicebox