Thanks to ImTatsu for the tip.
I love it, daigo keeping it classic with white gi ken.
Good matches, Daigo's pretty good with Ken and not only Ryu!
Who woulda thought lol
Too bad Ken just isn't Ryu, Ryu >>>>>>>>>>>> his clone lol. #2 can't be #1 lol all this is just for laughs so relax Ken fans, but Ryu will always be #1 srry its true :(.
Back to his 3rd strike roots using Ken YAY...hes always gonna be a Ryu boy no matter wht
@Theshotokan
Actually I think if Ken is played extremely well, he can be on par with some matches. Sure Ryu's got the zoning tool which is why he is better, but Ken's got the better footsies and WAY more mixups.
@voa
What? Daigo is hardly doing any random dp's if any, unless you're talking about the ones to counter the jaguar tooths?..
I wonder if muppets on this site will start b1tching about ken now that Daigo has won with him in the same way they do about Ryu haha
Daigo is the man. Although he's much better at SF3 then SF4
@voa I would say it's more Daigo altering his style to fight Adon than altering i tbecause he's using Ken. Seems to me a DP would be a more effective tool than a fireball that Adon could easily avoid.
I view matches against a good Adon player as trying to manage their variable onslaught and it seems Daigo is trying to do the same. Wait and punish.
In almost every recent matches against Gamerbee Daigo uses Ken.
Great match..maybe he use ken coz shoryukens are more good than fireballs against adon..but wierd thing is he played ken nearly same as ryu without his crossups nd kara throws..!
well he has some serious BP with Ken. So this aint his first time using him I presume.
@#2 voa
As others said, he's just using the right tool for the job. Adon can avoid fireballs easily, tatsu doesn't knock down, Ken's long-range pokes generally lose to Adon's. Plus he's often using shoryuken on reaction for punishment, there are few situations where a shoto has a better move for that.
pretty cool!
i love to see daigo using ken in a white suit.
is very sad that the new ultra is way more ugly than the one i street fighter 3.
someone said that a ryu player using ken is not original, but daigo was using ken for a long time, as well as other chars, and is really awsome to see that daigo can use ken and beat one of the best fighters out there.
congrats daigo :)
@34 i personally think that if the second ultra could link into the final hit from a juggle it wouldn't be as bad but then again that's me...
although i find ken annoying, i can't ignore what his best assets r which is that SRK among other things, which is what daigo used very well in those matches.....
#20 Just so you know a little Daigo history scrub. He was an original Gouki/Akuma player in Alpha 3 and Ken player in 3rd Strike
@Nukka
Punishing Jaguar Kicks, not Tooths.
Watching either of these two play is always amazing. I wonder who GamerBee is going to roll out as a back-up.
daigo may be doing this so gb gets used to kens game, so he can switch him up in tourney when he goes back to ryu.
Ryu_Hoshi #34
"the new ultra is way more ugly than the one i street fighter 3"
... and that's just YOUR PERSONAL opinion sir. In my opinion ultra2 looks 10X BETTER then Shippuu Jinrai from 3rd Strike.
Maybe you love Shippuu based on how good it was in 3rd Strike (those tiny 3 bars...sh1t!), but when it comes to looks/art Shippuu was just PLAIN and UNEXCITING: 4 kicks (which are in fact only 2 different ones) followed by a regular 5-hit tornado (going up). NOTHING SPECIAL.
What undermined Shippu's appearance in 3S even more was Akuma's SA3 Messatsu Gourasen (which is btw an ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL move!). Shippuu just looked like a WATERED DOWN version of Akuma's SA3 (once again, we don't discuss their usefulness here).
Overall, I don't think Shippuu looked bad. It was a nice/pretty cool super, but nothing more...
Ken's Ultra 2 Guren Senpukyaku in SSF4 looks WAY more EXCITING. True, the idea is simple: it's a big fiery (reversed) tornado kick; but there's much more to it. It starts off with a kick that looks different when you hit someone from the max range (which is a cool little detail!) then proceeds into the main tatsu part, and then ends with an ABSOLUTELY BADASS spinning kick (which is a powerful 1-hit air tornado). It's neat and all fits together... I LOVE IT!
YT user "his1nightmare" described Ken's ultra 2 as "pretty artistic roundhouse kicks, burning like never seen before and finishing with an even cooler kick" and it became the HIGHEST rated comment under the video.
Enough arguments? Now give me YOURS.
For those who wonder why ken does more dragon punches than ryu it's because he doesn't have any other combo finisher that does a knockdown.
Ryu has hurricane kick, can link to his sweep unlike ken, ex fireball, and dragon punch. Ken? Only his dragon punch.
If you wonder why ryu does more fireballs than ken it's because Ryu is a zoning character and his fireballs recover quicker than ken's making them safer to use.
In other words, these characters are different!
@43 he is doing both. More Jaguar kicks though.
I find GBees Adon is sick!!! And not once did he even use Jaguar tooth!!
He utilizes Adons poke like money against Daigo.
To those saying that GBee is just spamming j.kicks GTFO!!
Use every tool that is given to that character successfully and you'll be a great player.
Artiskan #35
#34 was talking about U2's LOOKS, and you are talking about it's USEFULLNESS (unless it's BOTH(?)).
I definitely AGREE though that if the final kick would come out after a JUGGLE then Ken's ultra 2 would be MUCH BETTER. I would even say that that would be the MOST REASONABLE solution to let the last kick juggle (as long as the penultimate hit connects).
It would add a bit to U2's APPEARANCE too. You could get that badass last kick in DIFFERENT PLACES at the end of the round (after the flash). That would be great...
I think Capcom was afraid that the move will be too good, therfore they put some weird stuff in. Another example being the hovering above the enemy when they block low. It SHOULDN'T take place - the move should go over the enemy like all tornado kicks do)
NELAELU.
as you said, is only my personal opinion, you dont have to take it personal.
if i think that the old ultra looks much better is because i think that a new version in the same style as the old one would be awsome, and yes, more than the new one.and im not talking about efectivity, im talking about aesthetic
think a little bit and try to imagine the old one in a SSFIV style, simply epic!
i dont need more arguments sir.............
Ha im so glad that the godly Gamerbee is showing us all his 1337 skills by trying to cross up with jumping HP. Garbage and overrated.
Ryu_Hoshi #48
"think a little bit and try to imagine the old one in a SSFIV style, simply epic!"
Not necessarily. Ultras in SF4/SSF4 are filled with bunch of RANDOM kicks and punches (that sometimes don't really make sense with the rest of the ultra). Even Ken's U1 is HALF WAY a kicking ultra (which is quite weird).
YES, I CAN imagine Shippuu in SSF4 and it ain't flyin' bro. It would look something like Shinryuken (the KICKING part), but it would JUST move forwards. TOO MUCH of the SAME THING! The only hope in making it relatively EXCITING would be putting a nice final tornado part in...
Nelaelu
exactly, the final tornado kick is the key :)
that is what im talking about.
i agree that the first part of ken´s U1 is a little weird, but i really like it.
yeah and you are right, may be the old ultra in SSFIV would be weird too, but that depends on how cool the designers make it.
for example, the new metsu shoryken from ryu is awsome, but not very useful
but for me the new U2 from ken is a little weird and not useful, even do i have been punished by it several times
in my mind the old ultra looks awsome in SSFIV but.....may be we have to wait for the next uodate of the game
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Wow Daigo's good with Ken too. Hey Daigo / Ryu haters let's Ono to nerf Ken as well for the upcoming update.
WHY DIDN'T HE SUPER?!!?!!?
2nd vid, 3:17 after the whiffed Ultra. He FA lvl3, gets super, and just RJ's. Why didn't he super and win it.
If you watch Daigo when he plays Ryu, he throws a lot of Hadouken in his matches. Sometime he'll use less if the opponent can punish Hadouken on reaction but he still does it regardless. He only uses Shoryuken less once and twice and it's usually into the Ultra combo.
This Ken is more poke friendly. Hadouken use mostly as a a combo after crouching medium kick. The playstyle is still a lot like how Daigo plays though from the inputs.
Honestly though, this a great match with Gamerbee and Daigon constantly adapting to each other's strategy and there is a lot to learn from here when one is not focused on bashing shotos.
Hey, Daigo plays Ken almost exactly the same way I do, except I go with Ultra 2 and Daigo almost always follows crouching MK with a fireball (like Ryu). Oh, and Daigo is much BETTER than I am.
Spamming Jaguar Kick that's his pressure game plus it's very unsafe especially against DP characters.
Anyone who says Daigo only uses Ryu has only been following fighting games since SF4. Look at the LA Fight Club vids Daigo was using Hakan, DeeJay, Guy. In past SF games he used Balrog, Zangief, Gen, and many others. A lot of you newbs know nothing at all.
Anybody wonder how Daigo got so good? Jeez..dudes beast in SF.
I thought about this and while Daigo is a great player, his matches using Ryu are so boring. Its the same as watching/playing these turds online except this "scrub" has godlike footsies and gets recognition for being a spammer lol. But that's my opinion so don't cry scrub over my thoughts.
P.S. Daigo should quit sulking about Sol not having Dustloop and keep playing Guilty Gear again. He was pretty damn good.
@ 62 & 64
*facepalm*
ken is fine, he should be left alone
if anything he needs a small buff, just because daigo is good with him doesn't mean he's op
@Tokyobassist
I agree with you there. Also, why do people get mad when others criticize Daigos playstyle? Lol, dudes catchin feelings over Daigo
I am looking at this set and all I can think is that Daigo meant to pick Ryu and mistakenly scrolled over to Ken.
It is one thing to encounter a Ryu player who turtles. Another thing entirely when it is Ken and every "WTF" light goes off.
I am all for player who branch-out and expirament with a variety of characters. However, I used to, and would like to still, believe that Daigo was smarter than this.
about the dudes catching feelings over daigo thing
hey guys, dont take it that seriously.
why people hates daigo? because he is one of the top players, and may be the best at this moment.
justin wong, for example is very arrogant and a lot of people loves him.
i would love to see those daigo haters fighting against him, that will be nice
Is it just me or does it feel like Ken is just alot slower in this game than previous games.
I used to feel like ken was a in your face always rushing character, but the way diago plays him, it seems as if diago has to wait untill gamerbee does something that he can punish.
About the only time that it seems diago tries to get in is with a crosup ex hurrican.....
I dont know ken just doenst feel like the old days when he was right on top of you, he feels slower.....and he doesnt feel as good of a character.
Thats just my humble opinion though, im not pro.
Pretty good, can't wait til I get this good. Practic practice practice! XD
Wow at first I thought Daigos Ken sucked, but he's actually pretty good with him
ken ruLeS over ryu Quicker ex tornado kicks which go foward not stay in 1 spot Like ryu's ken's fire shortuken is the ruLer besides Look at ssf4 intro ken owned ryu
I think Daigo knows hes Ryu is tiresome, thats why he tried Guile, when SSF4 came out, did Cammy and now Ken.
Ppl who hate hard, just have Ryu & fireball complexes, i myself am bored of seeing ryu players.
Im not sure if it affects hes sponsorship with madcatz though? maybe he has to stick with shoto to as he said, promote the fighting community, as noobs who play sf, appeal to those 2 main shotos ken & ryu.
Id reckon Daigo use Dan to prove a point if hes up to it.
Links for some more of Daigo/gamerbee, not sure if this is what's been posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wunOdG...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndBIla...
Ryu_Hoshi #52
I would't call Ken's ultra 2 NOT useful. It obviously isn't as useful as Ryu's ultra 1 or Rufus'es ultra 1, but it has some big pluses:
- one of the fastest (1+6 frames) start ups (except grabs) which makes it a GREAT TOOL for punishment
- complete projectile invincibility. Useful at mid-range, shuts down options for many projectile heavy characters
- great range that comes in handy with option selects
- fully connectable after FADC hadouken/ex hadouken
- practically safe when completly whiffed
- good damage (only 24 less than Shinryuken)
The minuses would be:
- It's DIFFICULT to use. Hadouken FADC has strict timing and it isn't as easy to do as Shoryuken FADC. Also, 1st hit NEEDS to connect after FADC or ultra will be blocked.
- juggles poorly and connects after shoryuken FADC for minimal damage (please read #47)
- still very unsafe on block and poor at chip damage (not different than U1 in that matter)
- only 7 frames of invincibility (loses to many other ultras)
Ryu_Hoshi #52
The kicking part of ultra 1 looks pretty cool, but it's there "out of nowhere."
I remember seeing ultra 1 for the first time. It was whiffed (no kicks) and I thought it was awesome. But then when I saw it fully connect I was DISAPPOINTED.
If they wanted to have more than just a regular Shinryuken (like in 3S or Alphas) they could at least put Shoryu Reppa (2 Shoryukens) at the beginning. It would make more sense... and maybe look better too.
I liked the simple/original Shinryuken way more - and the one from 3rd Strike was my favorite one!
I guess we have very different tastes then...
nice matchs......if u cant use hadoukens 2 punish-----good ol footsies and shryukens would do the trick
NO WAY.......DAN I HAVE 2 C.............. go DAIGO
Let's go Justin !