Several members of the EventHubs.com forums worked together to build a spreadsheet keeping track of how often they'd see the game's various 35 characters in online ranked Super Street Fighter 4 matches.
To think that in a game with a giant Russian bear-wrestler, a fire-breathing yoga master with stretchy arms, an escaped con that fights with a knife and by throwing rocks, a Spanish ninja with a giant claw, a gentlemanly boxer that throws roses, and an oil wrestler that most people would rather just pick the same, plain, boring, stereotypical karate master that has about as much personality as a wet paper towel over and over again.
It really makes me sad. With all the characters that Capcom gives us, people would rather just have Shoto fireball wars than explore the more interesting and unique characters.
Interesting to see that Ryu and Ken make up 1/4th of the online traffic.
If those two character were taken out of the equation character usage would be almost even across the board. Further showing there popularity.
I bet you that all those Gen matches were because of me LOL
Really surprised about C.Viper and Rufus. But I personally never really liked the character designs of those two. They lack representation of any cultural or traditional fighting style. I felt both character designs, including Rose as well, belonged in the King of Fighters franchise instead of in the Street Fighter franchise.
Both strong characters in Super though.
Omg!!! No! Really? Figured. Everytime i jump on ranked so do Ken and Ryu... and to end with a cherry on top i dream cr.mk>houdken>shoryuken>_________<- input your favorite Ryu/Ken ultra here. Seriously im starting to believe some people are just lazy and dont want to put the time into learning another character but to each his own.
#3 Your sentiment is my sentiment. But alas people love simple characters. They have since 1987!
Why try something new when the same old thing keeps working...well it didnt in SF3.
Some SSF2T pro came in and never played SF3:3S, against me. He picked Ryu and he wondered why his plain old FB and DP game wanst working. The whole club laughed his ass out.
It was refreshing to see that Capcom didnt give love to the obvious choices. I guess people didnt like that.
I was waiting for this update..not much diferent from earlier ones though it was a great project..!
Ryu as the most played? No freaking way *sarcasm
I guess my ass needs to travel to get any diversity out of this game.
I don't think Ryu is a bad character and it makes sense for him to be the most popular character, since he's a swiss-army-knife and has a cool design, however the sheer disproportion of his popularity is a bit perplexing and does make it appear that the rest of the roster is kind of wasted. I also notice a lot of the original world warriors at the top.
I'm glad Rufus is at the bottom though, he is truly repulsive. The black dude in his original design is what he should have been.
This here is a really nice idea, it would be great if it was implemented in the game. I'm surprised about Ryu, I would have thought the percent was higher. It definitely is more like 40-50% when I play online, dead serious, maybe because I play mostly against spanish players. Anyway is really annoying, playing online is like some kind of Ryu horde survival mode.
Yeah I knew I'd fought more shotos than any other character. Ryu in particular I swear I fight ALL THE DAMN TIME. I agree we need a no ryu/ken/akuma option when you host a room. Hell maybe no shotos at all. Except dan he doesn't count because he's awesome.
Seriously though, the shotos have pretty much ruined all online play for me, If I have to fight another lousy ryu akuma or ken online I think I'm going to rip out my game and crush it in a trash compactor. This is why I loved third strike, there was actual CHARACTER VARIETY when people picked characters. You just fight the same bloody characters over and over in this game. Very disappoint
how can people be surprised about few CViper online,
who takes online seriously? its full of scrubs
most of them cant or dont want to learn a difficult character, and im surprised with ibuki's place. i dont come across alot of Ibuki's
but when i do they're mostly below average (no offense)
the only good ibuki players "i" fought online (on PSN) are: hitsubankai and leebuki, offcourse there are more good ones (especially japanese) but i mean im surprised other people see that much ibuki's, i almost never do, and i like i said when i see them they most of the time make me wonder why they didnt pick ryu instead cause they arent going to get anywhere with their bs, i would have expected her to be kinda low im surprised
Sagat Top 10??? I never see him hardly ever.... wow
When i saw how big the percentage was for Ryu I was like damn "That's a huge B*&$H". Russian Wrestling is still #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How is Ryu any less different from Dhalsim anyway? Are there a lot of barefoot hobos that can shoot fireballs out of their hands where you live?
You guys should calm down about who everyone plays. Just worry about who you play.
Ryu and Ken are the original SF characters and are very comfortable territory for people. It's not a big deal.
At this point if your going to play Ryu you had better be exceptional at him. Everyone who plays online fights Ryu every other match so an average Ryu is half downloaded before the match.
HawkinsT - Actually a few of the players are from Europe and c.viper really isnt the common here.
over the last 2k of players the list hasnt changed all that much if anything ryu climbed a little further away. Rufus isnt easy to main online so i hear.
The list is still going so if you want to help its stickied on the forums
@17 totally agreed. Ryu is so good & too easy to use that's why ppl love him so much
What is this? Who is this 'Hakkan'? Grrr....Where is the respect for oil wrestling? First, they don't include me in tier lists, then this?
I am going to write SUCH a harshly worded email today with a follow up call!
Good work guys. It makes sense too, I always play as Dictator!
Ryu is the best #57
He's not ez he's, just not that difficult!
You should learn to PLAY THE GAME!
Ryu is too cool for you!!
You must lose to him all the time which is why you are so jealous!!!!
Gotta go!!! another guy wants more...hey it's another RYU. LET'S ROCK!!
MIRROR MATCHES 4 DA WIN!!
Im Reppin For Sakura Chun li and Juri :D ryu and ken are the easiest people i see em 24/7 online and it bores me to see them its not really exciting to see somebody fight with ryu espically a ryu mirror match i just go on the computer and wait for it to be over...
Ouch. I'm that 1% Dan..... Glad to see I'm somewhere on the list! :D
Don't know how Rufus is surprising, I barely play ANY, and the ones I play are usually beasts. Really though, he is a character with the most hideous and unappealing design. Oh and I'm cracking up at all the failed trolling attempts
Im not surprised at all with the top 4 ... i AM surprised about where my Adon and Sim are. Thought more people played as Sim and that i was the only Adon online. hmmmm guess things are different here in the EU ._.
@71
What are you talking about?
Ryu is AWESOME dont whine because cant beat him!
Why dont you win a tourney with him if it's so easy?
Capcom made him so everyone can enjoy.
Just play him like all of and have fun!
We will make this Super Ryu Fighter 4 together!
No-one plays the other fighters because people like Ryu and his story, not because of anything else. It's obvious!
It's not like he can win with 3 moves.
He has no Get out of jail free cards like Dhalsim's teleport or Rose's Ultra 2.
Only Daigo can control him.
Before seeing this, I was guessing Rufus was last, I dunno if I've EVER seen one in ranked since Super came out. Makes no damn sense if you ask me.
I'm rockin that 1% with Fuerte, I wonder what the world would be like if Fuerte was chosen 17% of the time O_o;
Personally I don't mind the massive amounts of Ryu/Ken online. Like Megatonbeef said (#52), if you're not really good with your shoto of choice, you're going to lose. Hard. Any player worth a damn should be an expert at dealing with a scrub Ryu by now.
It makes sense actually. People do like Ryu as a character and people will play whoever they want to play regardless what other people say they should play. On the other hand, almost no one likes Rufus as a character no matter how strong he is so only a few people would pick him up.
Yep, Just about right. Seeing as Ryu and Ken are the faces of Street Fighter from the start anyways. Besides Cammy and Akuma, the original SFII cast are still the best street fighters even up to now! Old school always wins! lol
LOL I'm a bit disappointed that a large slice of the pie uses Ryu but I'm not the least bit surprised. He does require skill to play and he's got amazing tools but that goes for everybody else in the game too. I still think spamming uppercuts is lame but yeah... gonna go play now kthxbai.
My boy Cody is kinda up there, so it's ok. Now lets talk about my other main character Guy.. Wow really * Profound Sadness echo* LOL. i guess that's cool too because i don't have to worry about people calling him cheap & easy win character. I work hard for my wins.
I've learn to except the Ryu's and Ken's online. They will always be there.
My account name isn't Super Shoto Fighter 4 for nothing. There was a time on Vanilla where I fought against 50 shoto's (Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Gouken)back to back on PSN.
I've got over it now and I think people should be able to whoever they want now.
Cool.
I did the same thing back in the vanilla days, but got bored of it... Luckily i saved it.
Here it is (from European PSN):
Matches total: 342
____Name____Encounters__Percent
_1._Ryu______81________23,68%
_2._Ken______43________12,57%
_3._Sagat_____31_________9,06%
_4._Akuma____21_________6,14%
_5._Blanka____20_________5,85%
_6._Guile_____14_________4,09%
_7._Balrog____12_________3,51%
_8._Gouken___11_________3,22%
_8._Bison____11_________3,22%
_9._Cammy____10_________2,92%
_9._Chun Li__10_________2,92%
10._Zangief___9_________2,63%
10._Abel______9_________2,63%
10._Honda_____9_________2,63%
11._Seth______8_________2,34%
12._Dhalsim___7_________2,05%
13._Vega______6_________1,75%
13._Dan_______6_________1,75%
14._Rose______5_________1,46%
14._Sakura____5_________1,46%
15._El Fuerte_4_________1,17%
16._Fei Long__3_________0,88%
16._Viper_____3_________0,88%
17._Rufus_____2_________0,58%
17._Gen_______2_________0,58%
Sorry for the bad formatting...
Ryu is #1 at everything lol. (just kidding) B4 ppl start taking that toooo seriously lol.
It makes sense, considering that this is from over 4,000 matches. When you have numbers that big, both the casual and the more competitive players will be represented. A lot of people in both categories main Ryu. Most casual players would never play Rufus, because he's huge and unappealing. They also wouldn't use Viper or Gen because they're too complicated. All in all, the list makes sense in that it clearly represents both casual and competitive players and their character choices.
People don't like Rufus because he's goofy and fat. Personally, I'd be a little embarrassed if my wife were to see me using a character whose ultra looked like some old cartoon (tazmanian devil).
Ryu has been the main character of the series from the start, so it's not surprising. Well-rounded character with solid tools.
Tournament players I think don't care about the usage. They just do their thing and adapt to whoever the challenge
Ok as a Ryu mainer, I got throw in some words.
Ppl have made this pt already, but I'll make it again. Ryu and Ken are prob the most popular characters so naturally a lot of ppl use them. But think about this- Who are they Popular with?
I consider everyone on this site to be "hardcore" SF players. Because you wouldn't be here unless you were interested In learning to Improve your game/learn more about SF. So having said that, how many casual players do you think like Ryu?
I'm talking ppl who normally don't play fighting games, or don't play them as seriously as we do. Id bet a large portion of them play Ryu and Ken. They see them as the face of SF and the main characters of SF. The story is pretty much based around them. I mean they have been marketed as these cool main chars. So ppl will see them that way. No offense to these causal players but they prob suck, and resort to "noobish" tactics that piss ppl off, bc they don't know any better.
Then you have to ask yourself how much of the online community on PSN and xbl are prob more casual than hardcore?
( Its prob impossible to tell, but I'm making this a hypothetical so please humor me)
If you can somehow find how many "casual" players are online, and shave them off this percentage; Id bet you all that Ryu and ken would prob still be 1 & 2. However most likely by a much smaller margin. The percentages would prob be much more even.
What I'm trying to say is the number of "hardcore" "good" ryus and kens are prob much lower than shown by the use percentage up there. Im not saying that the other chars aren't used by causal players. But ud have to agree that more casual players go shoto than any other char type.
Just please don't group us "good" Ryus with the rest of them. And if you fight more Ryus you guys should be able to kick a noob ryu's ass pretty easily. I mean hed have to be your best match up in terms of fight exp right?
I have friends online in the 3000-4000pp range that still have fun playing me on PSN even though they know I main ryu.
Its bc I play decently enough, and use things like mind games, spacing, footsies. We play massive sets and Its still fun for them, or they wouldn't keep fighting me. And I'm sure they are Ryus out there that would be fun for you guys to fight too. Just keep an open mind.
Damn I feel like I just wrote an essay. I need a life.
Only one that surprises me is Abel. I would have put him in 8th on that list. I see him all the time... and he's my worst matchup...
@L45R
Actually, I'm pretty sure most people are going to miss Ryu & Ken and call it the worse Street Fighter ever.
@ 103
Actually Capcom wanted to!
Back when SF3 was being talked about...
Capcom wanted to remove the ENTIRE SF2 cast, but when rumors were leaked, they were forced to put atleast shoto-bros in.
In the end it didnt matter because the sales werent that great.
Meaning...just having popular or requested characters dont make a game sell.
The timing was just bad with arcades dying for a game to come out as deep as that.
Now? It's PERFECT!!! Fighting games are HUGE again thanks to Street FIghter and MvC3 will keep things rolling!
@L45R
I'm sick of scrubby Ryu/Kens, but I would never advocate the removal of those characters from the game. That's ridiculous.
I'm number #9, huh? Not bad.
This list does seem to be accurate to my usual oponents. I don't fight nearly as much Sakuras, though.
I'm curious to see what Rose will say about her #29. I do know she posts here once in a while.
Hm... How would she end a post? I guess something like:
"Chosenly yours,
Cammy"
when you play me or the other 3% of claws out there, yer prolly getting yer ass kicked.
And this is why I ****ING HATE RYU!!!
@#53/manboy:
Speaking as an E. Honda mainer, he is not good. He is cheap. He is like Blanka mixed with Zangief, it's all about the shenanigans and lots of characters can abuse your weaknesses all day long. It is really frustrating to play E. Honda against a good player, especially one using a good character. I'm not surprised he's still not immensely popular, even after appearing near the top of a tier list on a technicality (he really owns low tiers).
@PaiZuri
Due to Ryu & Ken's popularity with new players, they would still have to be easy to play with and not suck. Which is exactly where they are right now.
Just go to Endless, Forget Scrub Mode, Its only for the japanese tbh, I have actually never played a Rufus on ranked yet, M.Bison I have out played, Juri should be higher, i get too man Dive Kick spamming noobs, But just go to endless, going to ranked is a waste of time.
I main Rufus, and ill say that playing as him online is hell taking lag into account its really tough to even do his b&b. On hit, dive kick, st. short, st. fierce, fierce tornado usually ends up as dive kick, st. short, get hit by your opponants mashed reversal
@109
I believe balancing should happen when it needs to happen. At this point in time I don't think Ryu and Ken are overpowered. Changing their looks? Well, if they want to change the art style in future SF games, they can. Far be it from me to make that choice. As for changing their moves... They can never remove Hadooooouuuuken, Shoooooryuuuken, or TatsumakiSenpuuuuuuKyaku. Make balance changes to their properties, sure. Projectile speed, invincibility frames, damage properties, and all that are things that happen naturally as they balance a game.
For the record, I don't main Ryu or Ken, despite my name. I main Sagat. Aside from Sagat I tend to use Dan.
@115
I agree that there's a lot of Juri DiveKick scrubs on Ranked. However, I tend to do Ranked as opposed to Endless because I don't have to wait in line, and I don't play the same person over and over. If I come across someone I'd like to play a few in Endless with while playing Ranked, then I'll friend them and invite them to an Endless session later.
Perfect example of why so many bad players get anywhere with Ryu online
http://www.youtube.com/user/inwork1?f...
I almost cringed during the 2nd round, Ultra 2 Ryu is to Super what Ken was to Vanilla online. Ultra 2 isnt even his best Ultra, but Im willing to bet the reason so many Ken players switched to Ryu (how diverse!) is because it looks so cool! :-/
@L45R
Having Street Fighter without Ryu and Ken would be like Super Mario Bros... without Mario and Luigi. Besides, they're good characters for learning the fundamentals of the game. Back when I was learning with Street Fighter 2 Turbo, that's who I mained. Really wasn't until SFIII I started branching.
NO surprise there, but i get alot more balrogs, for me it would be ryu ken then balrog. The rest look decent, but i have been seeing alot more makato and adon(they use them the first match then lose and switch back to ryu and balrog lol). ANd for me balanka is like in the 1 percent, i never get one.
Ryu is by far the easiest character to win with. If there is anyone here surprised by his prevalence online, I dunno what to say. Ryu is the best character in the game so far as having the tools to win almost all match-ups, and some--when played correctly--the opponent has very little chance of winning even before the match begins.
If you deny he can handle more match-ups handily than anyone, you need to sit yourself down and ask yourself some very serious questions. Ryu has more answers than a psychic hotline. I always say it, but I would love for the top players to move away from Ryu and take up some actual skill characters to show us a level of play with them we haven't seen. With Ryu, we've seen it all before. And we'll see it again. And again. And again.
@ 120
this doesn't prove anything, other than showing how desperate players can get a break. Ryus not the only char online that is guilty of a mashed out hail mary Ultra. you know how many rounds things like that have happened to me? From other chars ultras? As an exp player the guy player kept pushing his offense, while knowing that the guy might mash out a dp or U2 at any moment. He got overconfident that he'd be able to rushdown and kill him. Hes an awesome guy player, but he should know ppl do that. Esp when they have nothing to lose, bc they know they cant mount a proper offense or defense. so they pray a super/ultra/reversal move will hit. Ive eaten enough random Ultras to know to play it safe near the end of a match. And I'm also sure he tried to tic throw when he ate that Ultra. that was just tough luck.
Seriously, I was wondering why I could not punish Ryu's Sweeps anymore as easily. In that vid you showed us against your Guy.
Capcom made it so when someone blocks Ryu's sweep they get pushed out of a legit punishing range. (sneaky)
If Guy slid at ryu and if ryu blocked...you know what happens next.
Joppola...
あなたがいるかのように、お尻から言えばあなただけの苦い人です主張をする日本の十分話せますか？
@ 131
his sweeps do push him back on block. but come on, most moves push back on block. the only time you don't get pushed back as much is if you land a link combo. I've never had probs punishing ryu's sweeps ( except if it is used mid combo out of the blue). If you wanna talk hard to deal with sweeps, what abt chun's? Its long range as hell. What abt blanka's sweep? Balrogs reach? Been punished plenty for missed sweeps online though. Im sorry if im coming across as some anal ryu defender, but thats how i feel.
cool stuff. who else is happy to be that 1% of fuerte roaming around the online world.
Nah nah dude u have a point, narlz
I was just referring to the past and now Ryu. IN SF2 which this was supposed to feel like. The sweep did no push back so any one can punish him. Now that it pushes back that far not many can punish as easily.
Ryu's been mid-tier for far too long! He needed to back on top again!
It's HIS GENRE! Cant't have a fighting game w/o Ryu!
My 4 year old loves Ken. I taught her how to play.
When I find someone weak I ask her to go crazy with the controls and she beats the guy!
Thanks Capcom!
I have to agree with this, especially for the Rufus portion. I think the only Rufus player I've played online from when I can recall was TongariDan, and Pistola, though I play him a bit more often.
Beyond that, no one really uses Rufus as much. I see a lot of Guile's now though, and Honda; I've had 5 straight matches with nothing but Honda players online that usually do the same thing -_-... I also rarely see any Cody or Guy players too o.o...
@ PaiZuri
Ok I got ya man. Honestly this is my 1st real SF exp. So I didn't really know what u meant by "before". Played it as a 10yr old on SNES at a friends. But didn't even know what down to forward punch meant then lol. Had Alpha 3 for Ps1 but I my skills were......nonexistent then too.
And that is amazing that u are teaching ur kid play. It'll prob be another 5-8 yrs b4 I even think of having my own little gamer lol. Cough need a job and a Gf 1st, If I remember correctly haha cough.
Haters gonna hate, but the fact is the great majority of the players play shotos, they're iconic to the series, easy to learn, effective and well rounded.
And Ken, who started out as the "main star's best friend" character, met the love of his life, married, had a child and trained a disciple from another country through the series, which is far more character development than ANY other street fighter, ever. Others were pratically chasing petty and meaningless goals for the entire series (except when it's always the same thing with no visible developments... hi Ryu, Guile)
What development did Cody have since the Alpha series? Sakura? Chun-li? Squat. They're the same as they always been. Even Akuma saw more character development in his endings than most of the cast.
The only other character who saw significant development through the series is Cammy. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know the series very well or os downright delusional with shoto-hate.
Just be thankful SF doesn't belong to activision or it would be a shoto fest on all crossover series - because the fans what they want, not the hispter forum warriors who cry originality on eventhubs.
@103 L45R
"Ever wondered what would happen if Ryu and Ken are removed from the game?!
Street Fighter would've been a much better game....'
NOPE, You're wrong. Removing these 2 characters will no longer be street fighter game. It's like removing Wolverine and Professor X from the X-men forever, Or Removing Mario and Luigi from Super mario and still call it super mario bro Or removing Link for Zelda. therefore you're explanation doesn't make sense.
I main, gief, guile, ryu and cody
I don't have any problem playing or fighting against ryu or ken. They are only 2 of the 35+ characters in the game. If ppl want to use them more, let them. You play the match, win or lose, then move on. I know that most ppl online who MSG others are ones that can't beat a shoto. Then they would MSG you and call you names or complain about Dps and fireballs. You can't beat them is one thing, but don't confuse good shoto players with bad ones and call all shoto players names.
Ryu and ken are very solid characters and difficult to master. If they were used in the right hands, they are a menace to reckon with.
and all street fighter games should have ken and ryu. :) whether you want to pick them or not it's your choice.
Thank you everyone from 140-144 for speaking up.
I think capcom should further char development for chars like cody, juri, T hawk, geif. Make their story lines good, and get ppl interested in them. Ppl will start playing them more. Obv ppl dont play SF for the story. But isnt it time to change that? Games like Blazblue have in depth story ( convoluted yes) but the depth is there. If chars other than ryu and ken got some face time story wise. Ppl wouldn't be complaining about shotos as much. bc more ppl would pick different chars. And I wish the story would actually go somewhere.
As somebody who has mained Rufus for a very long time, I could see why he's at the bottom. I play both online and offline against top competition, and I could tell you it's a huge difference for a few reasons:
A) His dependency on 1-frame links in an online environment (read as: lag) makes it difficult to combo correctly/put your opponent in frame traps.
B) Mashed reversals kill his game due to the fact that his BnB combos are all links, not self cancelable jabs/shorts like many characters. Offline, you would hear the mashing and bait the reversal (except for the fact that nobody actually mashes offline).
C) In offline play, getting a successful throw/dive kick frame trap is much easier because you can hear the rhythm of your opponent's OS techs and take advantage of that.
For all these reasons, that's why you see so many more Rufus players in tourney play but not online. I'll admit that online does make for some less straightforward and more creative play. It is funny when I come across a Rufus, because 9/10 times they want to do a set of mirror matches considering they never come across other Rufuses themselves.
Ryu is a good character for those newbies. Ken is those who love to mash the shoryuken motion. And end up beating someone that is 10x the battle points... I hate that.....
Not saying the story is Bad. Just wish they'd further the story in game. Yea I'm aware they have comics ( great quality art btw Im actually a fan of one of the artists Omar Dogan on deviant art). But the prob is not enough ppl are aware of them ( what the content of the story is ). Even if they had some guy narrate text after a cut scene, Id be happy ( that is if more Anime cuteness are too expensive). Not trying to be overly critical of them, but if I see someone do something better, then why not learn a thing or 2 from them( blazblue is detailed as hell, but also far fewer chars)?
I also hard it when ken throw random ultras at the RIGHT TIME.... and the end up having a full ultra bad so they win the round....
I could only imagine what would happen if Street Fighter 5 had a complete list of all new characters with no returning shoto's. Hmmmmmmm...
Proud to be that 2.17% who uses Zangief The Red Cyclone for the win this list just shows that the characters with the most advantages in terms of combos and matchups is in the top while characters with the higher learning curve tend to be at the bottom or mid way.
@149
U could argue that ryu is not a good beginner characeter. Most of the crap u learn with him doesnt apply to other characters and hes so brain dead easy that people get to comfortable with him makeing other characters "hard" to use. THink about it, go from easy combos, ultra setups, free reversals to someone that has hard links, no or few ultra setups and a crap wake up game. Ryu is the ultimate security blanket.
I also hate it when ken throw random ultras at the RIGHT TIME.... and they end up having a full ultra bar so they win the round....*
I admit that I main Ryu online now. But, let me explain myself. Yeah, I'm a Shoto guy, but that's only because I'm so used to them and they're so easy to use. I use Shotos in almost every Street Fighter game (3S, A3, HDR, SSF4, etc.) Every once in a while I would pick someone else for fun, though (Rufus, Yun, Yang, Fei Long, Juri, Fei Long, etc.) In the past, I used to main Akuma online. I mean, I was usually decent with him; not too bad. Then one day I decided to pick Ryu and my victory with him was won almost effortlessly compared to my Akuma. I was shocked at how easy that was. Then I decided to pick him again and got the same result. Near effotless victory. Since then, I've been maining Ryu online.
Posted by Annon on September 27, 2010 at 9:35 a.m. #140
"And Ken, who started out as the "main star's best friend" character, met the love of his life, married, had a child and trained a disciple from another country through the series, which is far more character development than ANY other street fighter, ever. Others were pratically chasing petty and meaningless goals for the entire series (except when it's always the same thing with no visible developments... hi Ryu, Guile)"
Guile beat M. Bison. Kthanx.
"What development did Cody have since the Alpha series? Sakura? Chun-li? Squat. They're the same as they always been. Even Akuma saw more character development in his endings than most of the cast."
Cody showed up in the last Alpha title. What more do expect when he appears in no more canon games? Chun-Li adopted a kid didn't she? Lol mentioning Sakura is in bad taste. Yeah oh yeah Akuma must kill more people to assert his dominance and he hit a road block in Oro and went no further. Yeah huge development there.
*yawn* more shoto postulating and nothing interesting brought to the discussion.
Posted by nlarz on September 27, 2010 at 9:59 a.m. #145
"Thank you everyone from 140-144 for speaking up.
I think capcom should further char development for chars like cody, juri, T hawk, geif. Make their story lines good, and get ppl interested in them. Ppl will start playing them more. Obv ppl dont play SF for the story. But isnt it time to change that? Games like Blazblue have in depth story ( convoluted yes) but the depth is there. If chars other than ryu and ken got some face time story wise. Ppl wouldn't be complaining about shotos as much. bc more ppl would pick different chars. And I wish the story would actually go somewhere."
The entire series went from a King of Kickboxers being dethroned by a cheap shot to a seemingly unkillable menace bent on world domination to a megalomaniac that could actually rule the world through means of killing off the weak and useless. I'd say the story went leaps and bounds beyond the individual actions of the leading fighters. Blazblue as well as Guilty Gear has always had 1 major threat that has existed for a longer time (actual timeline for GG) than SF. Not a valid comparison really.
Daaanngg PaiZuri finally got called out lmfao...
But anyways this list is pretty much derp information. Nd i agree with there should be a room where Ken and Ryus arent allowed...its so annoying fighting like 6 of them in a row...and on top of that..they all play the same! And im suprised Chun Li came up before Dudley..I SEE WAY MORE DUDLEYS ONLINEE THAN CHUN LI!
KEN SHOULD HAVE THE NUMBER ONE SPOT BECAUSE HES THE MOST COOLEST!!! KEN FANBOYS FTW!!!!!cpas
If i could change the shoto mostly Ryu,i would change lp dp to ultra not take it out, but burn meter with fadc.So that the tatsu fellow up is not so bad for the other player and not so much of a mind game that looks free for Ryu.But most of all i feel EVEY ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE SAVE JUMPED! Fei long has a what 4 frame flame kick that still pretty good as a ati air but ex version is better,if Ryu and the other shotos had something similar to that takeing care of the meter would be more important thin doing a quick get off me move.Knowing you need it for fadc ultra,yes what i am saying is no more 3 frame dps.But it's more of learning the match up thing thin anything else,and i am not a whiner are any thing i like street fighter no matter how many shotos i play it's still a fun game for me.
im in that 2.68% with my boy cody....but viper!?, wow...i dont know how gen, dan and el fuerte placed above him...but than again, i play on ps3...so i dont know what xbl players pick...
I wonder which is more accurate ..this one or the poll at shoryuken.com
@177
It's not a question of accuracy. The two are completely different. One is a statistical breakdown of matches played in ranked battle where the other is a poll of main characters used. Lots of people play more than one character in ranked battles, so the results would be different simply based on that one factor.
I'm proud to say I've never used Ken on an online match, and Ryu only once or twice... Juri, Hakan, Viper FTW
Ryu being played so much hurts the community in general because a lot are garbage which makes us think like scrubs and two because you rarely fight Gen's or whatnot, you usually lose or barely win due to lack of matchup knowledge.
->@Joppula...It took FOREVER for you to respond. Were you Fapping?
Let me make it more clear now that you're "tension" has been relieved...
What TODAY have I done to piss you off EXACTLY!!!
Comprende Benedejo?
Viva Ryu ese!
@Joppula
Why so serious? Did I say Ryu took no skill to use? No. Did I say I win all the time with him? No. As a matter of fact, my win ratio is roughly 50%. I didn't even say I was good with him. I just said that he was much easier for me to get victories compared to when I used Akuma. Just because I won almost effortlessly with Ryu compared to Akuma doesn't mean he doesn't take skill to win. Obviously every character can be good in the right hands. That's common sense. But I'm saying I see why Ryu is the most used character online. Don't read my post out of context and make assumptions then try to call me out if you don't understand what I'm talking about.
@145
You act like if they gave the other characters the attention the give Ryu and Ken, those characters would get better storylines. Well then explain why Ryu's the poster boy (and always has been), and yet his story has been "RYU IS A WARRIOR SEARCHING FOR TRUE STRENGTH" like FOREVER.
@9 Rose is as much an snk character as a capcom one. People can say she doesn't fit but she fits in as much as blanka,dalshim and bison. She actually looks like she can fight considering how most characters or based on anime anyway were gyps's can fight.
@166
ur an idiot. Ryu is the easiest thing to use in this game. Not only that, the crap u learn as a beginner will ride ALL THE WAY from scrub level to advanced. WHen doesnt he have options? He has all the best options in the game and with 2 ex stock u basicly have to let him do whatever he wants since now a random mashed dp gives him free safe wake killing any momentum u have or better yet gives him a free shot at landing his ultra. Look at his normals, retarded easy to cancel and combo and the only thing that is punishable is his sweep(ur dummy if u randomly throw it out cause its too easy to link into it from some jabs for an super easy knock down). If u dont want to face the facts its ur problem, use someone else and see what happens. But thats a waste of time even trying it cause ur one of the guys that joins the room, gets rocked and jumps right to ryu cause u cant handle playing the game without the training wheels.
shout outs to imagen and vegabisonabel... let's go claw at a mere 2% lol.
ryu is cool, but the main reason people use him so much is because his moveset is the basis of SOO many other move sets from other games, making him easy to start to pick up. but sooner or later, playstyles and skill starts driving a MAJOR divide between users. it's part of the reason i now have an easier time dealing with mid-upper level ryu/kens than i do with low level ones lol... i've had so many headscratching loses to people i should have owned, i'll tell ya...
Agrees with @191
Also it's not how many options you have, it's how good the options you have are. Guile has two special moves and where is he tier wise? Ryu is easier to play because almost any of his moves lead into a huge combo. With that said....
This listing looks exactly how I expected it to. I play Ryu's like every other match. I actually am relieved when I seen some of those lower tier characters. I enjoy watching them play more than those in the higher percentage.
heh u guys make me laugh.
Ive been in this argument before. And It always ends the same way. You guys just keep moaning and bashing and venting. You all need to stop complaining and crying about Ryu. If you are serious about SF, then stop complaining. Learn to beat him, and move on. He will always be in the game, and will always be picked. Deal. Or you can keep wasting your breath. Your choice. Who are u guys trying to impress ? by saying u dont play Ryu? Your own egos? Trying to make other ppl feel like U are the "man" the master of "hard" to use char?
I've said this b4, u choose to play a tech char by yourself. No one forced you. Don't take away from someone else's hard work and training just to satisfy your own egos.
U think Top players b*t*h at Daigo bc he picked Ryu? They say good game and move on to get better regardless of the outcome. get some class
and Paizuri:
I didn't pick up on it eariler, but stop being so sarcastic, If you have a pt then make it. I think that's y Joppula's pissed.
@ kenshiro
Yea I guess if I take more time to look back, SF does have a some progress since the 1st installment. I would like a solid time line though. And all im trying to say is the story would benefit if it was fleshed out a bit.
People use Ryu for one reason.
HE's WEAK!
The masses would NEVER use an OP character to get easy wins, because that would be cowardly.
Ryu doenst even have that many options! Hakan has WAY more with that oil.
People just pity him that's all and they like his great story of always fighting, it's nostalgic and for the kids too!
Capcom's finest! Ryu! Kampai Kampai Kampai
Hakan is a waste of character slot IMO lame! But anyway I'm sure those are the same Ken and ryu fireball/shoryuken spammers I come across all the time. That's why I barely go online it gets boring with people picking the same 2 characters since the original! Damn can't you people pick someone new?!
joppula (sp?) seems to be making some sound points about ryu. he's not THAT easy to win with, and it takes skill. i main vega and can def say that i wouldn't win nearly as much while playing with ryu, for i lack the skill with him to truly use him effectively...
also, because ryu is so well known, it gets hard to win with him unless you're really skilled...
when people are ignorant of your fighter (assuming you know theirs at least somewhat), it gives the best advantages.
Shotos are very familiar. I've accepted that I will face many. I main Dhalsim. Ryu is an excellent starter character because he is powerful and extremely well rounded. Victories, (accidental, or skill based) WILL come easier to this character.
Thats cool. Thats a part of this particular game. I understand the frustration as well.
Admittedly, Kens, and Ryus can seem very much out of place at times in this game because their strategies and tactics do not allow for much room in the way of recovering from opposing player errors.(whereas if you are Ryu you do have enough in your arsenal to weather most any offensive storm and really have more than a little hope of still coming out on top.)
No matter what any of the Ryu defenders might wish to argue, the fact of the matter is, your character (who is really cool) is just waaaaaayyyyyy easier to play this game with overall. No big deal, thats just how it is. Oh well.
Facing the Shotos with characters who possess inferior levels of health, and stun, and who do significantly less amounts of damage really cranks up the challenge.
I think that allowing for more customization in online play could really lend a hand in creating a more diverse online fightcard.
Options such as creating a true customized lobby. You could face only your favorite fighter,particular groups of fighters,your greatest arch nemesis, or perhaps you want to fight in a practice enviroment with people online. Really whatever you want.
I believe that player controlled match customization is the key to Street Fighter longevity after game balance. Im not talking about anything more radical really than what the game already offers, but it would be cool to incorporate said options into an online lobby.
Anyway, see you on XBL!
@ Zombie4u
we might disagree on a few things here and there, but you have the proper attitude. I can't deny that Ryu might be easier to use than some chars. Thats prob a fact at this pt. However I'll stick to my line about it taking skill to win with him. Esp considering the fact that sooooo many ppl play with/against him online. Matchup exp counts for a lot in this game. I bet a lot of you that play obscure tech chars, would not have nearly as many wins as you do now, If ppl played ur char as much as they play Ryu.
People would naturally start complaining about the next overused char at that pt. bc its human nature. Never being satisfied ,grass is always greener etc...
Anyhow I def Agree with your idea of having more customizable lobbies. That would be fantastic.
when they make sf6 and ryu isnt there i bet everyone is gonna say "ryu isnt there then its not sf Waahh waahhh"
this is why i barely play ssf4 online anymore... it gets boring i have to play 10-20 ryus/kens/akumas just to play a guile. i wish there was an online mode where i can choose the character(s) i want to play against and only play people who main that character.
there is a simple solution for fighting the chars u want to fight. Friend people! its that simple. Friend good players you come across that play chars u want to fight against. then play them in endless. Don't play ranked if ur going to complain abt who u meet on that mode.
I actually noticed when Super came out that a lot of Vipers disappeared.. Since I'm a viper player.
I think some vipers moved to juri in super
PC FTW.
@203, Zombie4u
Agreed-Give more power to the players online!
And if you ever wanna go up against a scrubby Sagat, my XBL tag is ImTheChankiest.
@215, MarkHighHill
Yeah, I've only faced one Viper in this past month.
I'm SHOCKED! I see Rufus online all the time! Really! No foolin'
Ryu, Balrog, Rufus, Chun, Ken, Vega, Honda. In that order for me. I play Hakan and Honda (main) and then Vega and Rose, but it never changes. Always Rufus!
Some SHOTO HATERS should calm down and REALIZE couple of things:
- The more popular the character is, the BETTER people know how to fight him. Therefore, if you play an unpopular fighter DON'T FEEL superior to everyone else. Some of your victories happen only because others DON'T KNOW the match up...
- Many players don't take the game AS SERIOUSLY as we do. They just want to have fun and remember good old times BY THROWING couple of HADOUKENS once in a while. Can you blame them for that? If so called pro players were the ONLY MARKET for Street Fighter then the franchise would by DEAD BY NOW... True, Street Fighter NEEDS dedicated players, but it needs causal (or what you call "noobs") players AS WELL.
- Some players realize they AREN'T pros and they base their character choice on WHO THEY LIKE (instead of picking high tiers). Everyone knows that Ken is ONLY MID-TIER in SSF4. Nobody wins major tourneys with him and yet people still want to pick him. I'm NOT SURPRISED, cause he's a cool character with awesome looking moves. Some players just really enjoy using multi-hit Tornado Kicks, fiery Shoryukens, and love finishing rounds with artistic Guren Senpukyakus. Can you blame them for that?
- Obviously, casual players won't use someone like Rufus, no matter how good/easy to use/fun he is. They won't use him for the same reason why they don't want to look like him...
And to the guy who said he wins effortlessly with Ryu. That's not an excuse, that's exactly why players of other characters hate him.
Ryu is like Vanilla ice cream. He'll be good and always satisfying, so picking other characters means sacrificing parts of play for others. Like a fruit flavor or a dark chocolate. You've picked a side. Strength for speed. Defense for offense.
SO of course it would be easy to win with Ryu, He's never pinned and he's never out. One reversal is 40 percent. I wish I could say the other characters were so perfect, but they could add 100 and none would be as well grounded as Ryu because that's the way people like it.
Simple Answer to all of this is play 'Endless matches'.
@215
I noticed this too. I think some of them switched to characters like Ibuki because of the similarity in super jump cancels.
I tend to use Guile on Ranked matches because I zoning people out and making them die a slow death ^_^
Endless matches I use a mixture of characters because no one is desperate for points.
@Joppula
Please read what I'm about to say carefully before you make a retort. If you disagree, fine but this is the truth. You need to except that fact that Ryu is the most versatile and easiest person to play with in the game. Because of that, A LOT of people use him. I use him too because I don't have time to sit down and learn the nuances of other more complex characters. It's easier to win with Ryu then it is with 95% of the roster. Seriously dude, except it and move on.
It's not your or anyone else's fault that Ryu is the easiest character to play with. It's Capcom's. The stats speak for themselves. I don't care what hardcore players say, because they are a small minority compared to the casual. Capcom needs to make more characters as accessible to play as Ryu and Ken. I'm NOT saying that complex characters can't exist or every needs to play the same. I'm saying that they should be kept to a minimum.
If Capcom ever wants to expand the fighting game market, they will go this route in the future. That's all I have to say.
Russian Wrestling is still #1. How can you not love a guy who drops you on your head? I am glad I am one of the few people that play him.
Thats right I'm part of the few 2 percent that sticks to a non shoto character.
In this thread.
Read My 1st post and give me your thoughts
Read Joppula's post and give your thoughts
Why should I think anything but more hate will come from this?
If I win luck/fluke
If I lose Im a scrub/n00b
I see alot of unneccesary hate in this thread for me to take anything seriously.
#235 Awesome! take the challenge and post it here. I want to see you guys play. Win or Lose at least you took the challenge and no one can say you backed down.
This Ryu crap makes commenting on this site boring :(
Get over it pleeeaaasssseeee :(
I bet Ryu use to Hadouken little animals growing up.
I like how EventScrubs is pretty much the only place on the internet complaining about Ryu, a mid-tier character (check the tier lists). If someone made a post complaining about Ryu on the shoryuken forums you will either get laughed at or completely ignored.
I agree with the Ryu/shoto hate lol for the most part. I had no prob with them in 3s.... but I wonder, when 3S online comes out, what will the stats be.
I dont even play ranked anymore. Less shoto encounters in Endless, but still more shotos than other characters.
If ssf4 had parries and no hard links, then the shotos players would probably(might) go away...not saything that this is how it should be but the ssf4 system feels like it caters to shoto characters.
@244
I think most ppl here(well at least me) take this game semi-seriously. Like most others, Ive enjoyed fighting games since SF2, but dont really care to take it tournament level play. And about tier list.... this game hasnt even been out for 6 months and you trust the tier list?? Be sure that it will change every year.
Don't trust the tier list remember what happened to Justin Wong(Rufus) vs Gamer Bee(Adon)? Just play a character that you think is cool and enjoy. Personally I play Balrog,Vega,Blanka,Hakan,Guile I play those chars cause to me they are awesome. DSP said this himself if you play a character you love and enjoy and you dedicate yourself to mastering that character. You can definitely be a competitor sure you will lose but you have to take your licks. Cant win them all rite?
@246 Meant to make a comment about shotos, but ok. Where's all the Rufus players?
Posted by Joppula on September 27, 2010 at 8:20 p.m. #248
I agree that this is the only place blasting Ryu for no reason. It's sad and pathetic.
-Joppula&Ryu sitting in a tree...
-Did you even read the comments?
-Did you even look at how many people are whoring Ryu over all of the others...including me!!
-You are the one commenting on everything making threats and challenges to boost your ego.
-It's YOU that are sad and pathetic
...doing something I dont wanna see!
#252 YEAH!!!!! Finally some sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shoryuken.com did a poll for "Whos your main?"
http://shoryuken.com/content/results-...
Seems the comments about Ryu are no different from here...
@256
I gave my main, points and gamer tag. We still have no idea who you use. Your a worm, crawl back under your rock.
OUCH!
@256 Yeah! Post the vid of the match here. We got 2 supreme fighters lined up!
In the 4000 matches what was the PP (player points) of the players. I noticed that at under 1000 about 80% of the players are ryu. But at 3000+ ryu starts to disappear. I wonder which character has the fewest -4000 players by percentage. i bet it's ryu.
@bananainsaneface I see why nobody talks about Shotos at shoryuken.com
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They arent ALLOWED to. Still doesnt change the way they feel as you can see the Ryu hate on the "whos your main?" article
there.
But JOPPULA has a point, complaining about it to others doesnt solve anything(besides making you feel better). And I agree with PAIZURI and the others about Shotos. If we really have a prob with it, we should take these comments to Ono.
All seriousness aside, I want to DP mash Ono's face then run away...
Ryu is cool. But it just gets boring seeing Ryu after Ryu after Ryu @_@. My Guile probably has a necklace of Ryu's teeth around his neck. I use Ryu also. But not online becaus mirror matches are a snooze fest.... Seriously if I see another scrubby Ryu I am so picking Dan and kicking their ass and show them the saikyo way.
Thats because Ryu is not as effective in high level play as he is in low level player (i.e. the average eventhubs poster). Anyway I would like one of these Ryu bashers to make a thread on the Shoryuken forums about how overpowered Ryu is. I said the FORUMS don't post crap from the srk front page because no one reads the front page lol.
Posted by Desu on September 27, 2010 at 8:50 p.m. #257
@235 Then no one is going to take you seriously, so deal with it.
Hey genius...THINK about my comment that u referred to.
Then look at the comment about lag
Think about Joppula's MANY brown nosing comments
Think about how DUMB it is to consider a laggy match official
Think about not everyone has a PS3, online etc...
The more info I give the more ammo I give you...Im NOT DUMB!
This is THE LAST TIME I REPSOND TO JOPPULA or HIS FOLLOWERS!
BTW...
...McBison
Awesome post. Nice to see there is a TON of Ryu love out there. Thank god nobody complains about him being overused in any way or I would have to go Joppula on them!
Capcom did a good job of balancing HIM!
I bet 95% of the people who main Ryu wish they could make a team of all Ryu's in MvC3!
The reason there are so many ryu and kens is because you can beat most of these eventhubs posters by just mashing dp. But as soon as you move up in ranked, you wont see so many ryus and kens because they are busy mashing with the rest of the eventhubs scrubs, who think that dragon punches are cheating.
i am surprised there are not more guile players :(.
nobody complain about everybody using ryu because you have to be a combo whore to be good with him....
Even if you like playing Ryu, know that he is painfully boring and bland and this should reflect on your personality lol.
If you must play a simple character, at least add some of your own style and make him cool rather than just uppercutting all over the place. It makes me sad.
to be honest with you guys, it doesn't really matter who the opponent uses.
a 4000 pp player will most likely be good at the characters he knows how to use.
a 2000 pp player will still suck whether they use the most OP character in the game.
and don't bring that pp don't mean siht business, it's a really good indicator of the skill of a player
People complain about Ryu due to how much they have to fight him, they have a right to do it...lol.
That said, you should be familiar with his tricks by now. Though I think the complains are more about the boredom it causes rather than him being a problematic, easy mode character (oh wait....). lol
Rufus is powerful and he has tools to shut down shotos (U2)...but that power only comes after hard work to get around zoning. Because the most popular characters have a fireball, Rufus has a hill to climb before he can get good. Rufus may be strong but it takes skill to wield him (being able to land his basic bnb's/instant dive kicks timed properly, etc).
I wish people who picked Ryu would play like Daigo....then it would be awesome, but of course that's a dream.
@Joppula
I dont want him to be $hitty or anything like that. He(shotos) just seems harder to beat than in 3S and CvS2 which are the only other 2 Capcom fighting games I played a lot of. Speaking of which, I would use him and other shotos from time to time in previous games.
My main in Vanilla was Chun Li, in SSF4 its Dudley and I also play Cammy, Juri, Sakura, Blanka & Guile. Though I dont consider myself to be very good, overall I have problems fighting shotos. Every other character I fight is more specific to whom I picked. For example, a good Vega gives me problems when Im Dudley or Sakura, but if Im Chun or Blanka, I feel more comfortable. Oh yea, a good Guy gives me probs all across the board.
I do appreciate that its not Vanilla Ryu/Sagat, they were more detestable haha. Even though they are weaker now, I still feel I have to work harder than when fighting other characters. But what game is without tough characters? 3S Chun gave me a headache no matter who I picked.
I agree, that we have to try to be better. I had the same deal with Dhalsim in Vanilla. He was THAT character that I ALWAYS lost to(depending on how good the player was). I realized that I wasnt patient enough when fighting him and slowly but surely I started beating Dhalsims. Now I feel more confident when fighting him. I did the same with shotos, trying to find a way to get them like I did Dhalsim. I found that just like Dhalsim, I have to be patient, bait mashes(if its that kind of player) and such. I dont loose to shotos all the time but they are the most difficult for me.
Hell, why dont we talk about how to beat shotos instead of complaining about them? That would be more productive right? I apologize that Im part of the complaints.
@VegaBisonAbel I totally agree with you. My friends who were really good in 3S and CvS2 always says online gameplay is sht and that bp/pp doesn't matter. But I guarantee the person with a higher PP has a higher chance of owning. That's just fact that he's won a lot of hard battles and loss a lot less.
SSF4 is built around Ryu, not surprised to see that %, but I expect 30%, not just 16%. I swear that 30% of players use it.
This chart is good, it is to show Capcom that they should enhance the lower popularity character to make it more diversified instead of all players just like to squeeze to the same Super Ryu Fighter
Personally, I love playing against shotos..unless the other player is quite skilled, its the same recycled fireball, cr.mk fireball, shoryuken, jump away hurricaned kick. Too predictable. This is quite understandable however to the fact that shotos have an easier learning curve than most characters. I think its more of a disadvantage using shotos since so many people use them. Most people are familiar with their tricks and moves so it really becomes predicatble. Using characters that are lower in popularity always seem to confuse the shoto mains anyway.
I love the way that all my mains are above 20 in percentile. Then again, no one ever wants to play random vs random.
@275 I also don't think Ryu should be turned into another Sean, but rather be made into something like Hakan. Hurricane kicks don't go through fireballs, slightly more recovery on fireballs, less invincibility for dragon punches, and a Easy Mode that lets you use short cut commands for specials. If you're so good with Ryu, you wouldn't notice these changes, but if you're new and actually play him well, then it'll be like mastering Dan.
@278&279 When will you two fight already?
@271
What? lol his combos cant be easier. Any mid level player can crack out 2x low strong sweep or dp fadc combos. And honestly u dont need combos, all u have to noe how to do is low forward fireball and ur good.
@neon6
I do remember hadokens having longer recover in 3S, Alpha, and SF2. You could jump on reaction and punish. But in SSF4 when I jump on reaction I get a trade or I just get hit. When fighting a good Ryu(shoto) player you are free in the air no matter what lol. Well, in the ssf4 arcade edition, Sagat's high tiger shot has longer recovery. The game is still WIP so we will see if things like that stay or not.
If peeps are having trouble with shotos, check out the character threads on shoryuken.com for indepth matchup strategies. Dont give up!
Currently reading>http://shoryuken.com/f333/there-no-shortcut-perfection-dudley-indepth-matchup-discussion-day-10-ken-250988/
Or better yet, make indepth matchup threads here.
I have an idea for someone who's better at math than I am. Take a tier list, and combine it with this - to produce a tier list that's weighted for online play. What I mean is, rewarding characters for being good against the most popular characters. So, for example, if a certain character has a good matchup vs Ryu, it means much more than having a good matchup vs Rufus, even if Rufus could be said to be high tier in tournament play.
A tier list that accounts for character popularity in tournaments would also be a very neat thing, if someone could compile the stats of major tournaments.
haha at people defending Ryu, he is so easy to pick up and play that is why there are so many of them, a lot of people don't want to learn about charge buffering and 360 motions to play a game and realise that they can put more time into their Ryu/Ken's instead of having to learn things from the beginning.
Also #88 those Dan's were probably mine. =/
@ Joppula
You completely missed my point. The other characters aren't as accessible to the gaming population as Ryu. They are complex right off the bat. Ryu isn't. The stats speak for themselves. Stop defending this stupid design flaw. As long as this flaw exists, Capcom will never be able to expand the fighting market and bring new players to the game.
That is just freakin sad! Everyone would rather use the easiest players to master instead of just taking time and using a player they really like. I'm a C.Viper user and it took me 2 months to master her, but when I get in the ring and I whoop up on thows shoto players it makes me feel good and teaches them a lesson. (Which is a shoto player can be beaten so stop pickin them all the time...lol)
This will naturally get hated but the problem with Ryu is he so balanced that it throws the game out of balance. I say this because every character was made with bad match ups in mind Ryu rarely has any(until Dhalsim and that's recently), SF4 had it close with Sagat but made the mistake of only counting those two and not the rest of the cast.
Also he is too easy to use I beat a very high PP/BP Ryu with simple BS in a mirror match and no use of Ultra I just don't get why he's the only character in which most of his offense is based on hitting the ultra.
@293
How does haveing the best of everything make him balanced? Ever option he has is either one of or the best in the game. All around characters are supposed to be medicore by design to balance them out since he would have no real flaw but in sf4 he has no weakness other then the player.
Ummm yeah I agree Ryu is noob friendly and easy to win with. However lets take a look at why so many ppl hate Ryu. Those who can't anticipate a uppercut or fireball is your fault really, true priority moves are ridiculous in this game but eh! Everyone complains that Ryu and other shotos are sooooo great when in actuality their not that good because they are VERY predictable. The way I look at it if you can't beat a shoto is because your not paying attention to your opponent and only focusing on beating them down, so you lose sight of who your fighting. I love SF over many other fighters because it's more than just throwing moves out and winning it's about timing and prediction. Awesome Ryu players play very different from spammers and yes when playing those guys you tend blame Ryu but not the fact is he practices and you MAY not or do, I don't know really.
Many other characters can be cheap in their own ways honestly, SIM is full of bitch tactics but that's how he was design to play so eh! Gief can grab opponents out of almost anything and Vega's wall junp into grab can be annoying too. Also there are other characters that have high priority moves.
Look at Guile, his flash kick can overwrite a Metsu Shoryu, dont believe me? Test it yourself.
I think capcom made these characters not so that we the fans complain about them but so we the fans can use them if you using dhalsim and spam crouching heavy punch or jump heavy punch then go ahead. If you like grabbing then be my guest! If you like uppercuts running across your opponents chest short cut inputs is your best friend. Either way we each spent money to play this game and we each have a right to our opinion. I don't mind shoryu spammers because there are sonic boom spammers as well
as stretchy arm spamming. If ppl wanna use Ryu let them worry that and you worry about who your using which is all that matters. Besides this game is truly based on skill and anticipation Ryu has a pattern thats easily seen just watch your opponent and stop complain about capcom's flagship. Every fighting game follows this logic so by bitching about Sf Ryu then that must mean your bitching about ALL fighting games which that means take SF out of your console and play simple games like god of war for say. :)
Oh my god WHY does this have to happen? Can't we just take these statistics at face value, shrug it off, and go play as whoever we want to? If I have to fight 6 or so Ryus just to fight one Honda, whatever. I'll just add that Honda to my friends and play them when I'm sick of Ryus or something. Stop your bitching and get back into the fight.
^sry but That is a horribly lazy answer (Just deal with it)
Other fighting games have a much more balanced roster and cooler characters. KOF (NO! I will not just play that, it's and example)
Most people will say that Ryu is the most balanced fighter in SSF4...but they dont say the same for many others.
-Capcom should balance the rest of cast to make them as fun and playable as Ryu...THAT IS THE POINT!-
Not everyone should have the same juggles and combos but other characters should excel at key aspects where Ryu cannot...the problem...
The fact is Ryu has MANY more tools the others do not.
Ex. If Hakan has to guess slide and the opp. blocks, Hakan pays. If Ryu throws a fireball and they block Ryu is safe.
Hakan or Cammy or Cody need something that makes it worth-while to put their body at risk.
@ wolfboy
very well said man. very well said indeed.
@ pai
dude fireball spam isn't nearly as safe as u think it is. There are chars whom im terrified to throw them out against ( blanka, adon for ex) Bc im afraid of getting read and creamed. also what ryu has with fireball range, he lacks in footsie potential when compared to char like cody, balrog, chun, adon. Im sure there are more examples. He might have a ton of options but they aren't all god like. and in my exp online very few ryu players are actually good enough and exp enough to put all those options to use. Look I think Capcom is doing a good job with balancing, only bc they keep sending out rebalances as DLC. They are even nerfing Ryu's Air tatsu. another nerf, but im not complaining. I think its another step towards better balance. Other chars got nerfed also. and also a few buffs.
( im talking SSF4AE , which will prob be dlc for console)
as for random srk spam. only noob ryus do that. I admit its hard to deal with and sometimes they will luck out a win with it. I have in the past. but the higher up u go the less you will see it. so the more predictable ryu gets. there is 2 types of random srk spam. 1. they mash it out and interrupt your combo. That's your fault for not landing the link or chain. Or online lag can be blamed. 2. True random srk spam is the kind were u get hit and u think wtf did he just read that?! But prob not its more likely that it was luck. at high lvl play thats called a "physic" uppercut. And yes he did read that. At intermediate casual play u don't see the 2nd type of uppercut as much.
I just want to agree to disagree at this pt. No one is getting anywhere. In the end we are all SF players. We enjoy the game. We are part of the same community. Lets just help each other get better. If any of you guys are having probs with Ryu, I will be more than willing to help you come up with a solution to beat him.
i have decided to use everyone hell i already use 20 characters but not to the potential of my elf and fei and newly discovered cammy who i never realised was this good before i mean seriously she has given me many a win streak which ends when i decide to do random select on ranked. also c.viper is my new flavour of the month
They did? uh well my bad, I'm only remembering what Ive read online b4 a couple days or a week ago. So u might be right. In any case, nothing is for sure till the day we receive the next DLC patch along with the new chars hopefully. But I am looking forward to how the game will be after a re-balance.
cvip-gen & rufus...........woahhhhh...... imma blanka & el fuerte user....never thought they would b dead last.......& thawk & deejay..........never see em online.....kinda crazy....ranked matchs are full of shotos if u ask me....come on fellas explore ur horizon.....doesnt hurt to use different characters other then shotos....use 2 c alot of sagats in vanilla----- apparently not anymore-alot of codys-no makotos
el fuerte i still got luv 4 u-----& rufus i got my eyes on u....maining u if i like it or not
Not any sort of surprising.
Nice project though, guys.