These guys are also participating in a bunch of online SSF4 matches available here, so if you can't get enough, you can watch these two for hours.
levidane upload 3 part of tokido vs daigo so far
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq-z_T...
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfftgl...
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq-z_T...
sorry this is part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXw1pt...
DAIGO KING OF SF!...(SF MEANING SPAMMING FIREBALLS)
How to make this easy to understand: That's a reeeeeal good Akuma right there. That's a reeeeeeal good Ryu right there.
Reading alot of these comments reminds me of trying to watch a great movie with a 10 year old - they don't get it. Go watch Transformers 2 and listen to Drake while you play MK3.
I always thought Daigo could switch up Ryu with Akuma, he doesn't have the greatest Cammy.
Daigo is clearly better here, im not being bias i love Tokido, it's just the fact that capcom nerfed Ryu too much. They should have given him the 2-hit shoryu, but kept the priority on it. Also, they should have kept the super trap, but we all know if capcom hears enough ppl whine about an "OP" character they adhere to the cry babies for the sake of sales. Besides every top player studies Daigo inside out, and he still wins, but you can clearly see Tokido, being overly cautious. He knows cant slip up once with Daigo, Daigo is the "BEST" if any1 can be called such a thing. Capcom you should give back Hp shoryu priority, and give back the super trap. Stop being afraid of losing sales, and do whats right -_-.
You don';t get it dude... if Daigo doesn't spam out shoryuken sometimes Tokido will feel free to do any block string on him knowing full well he won't get punished for it. For Daigo, that's saying "hit your links or gtfo," it's a smart thing to do to let your opponent know he better hit his combos.
Has anyone notice that in both videos Diago inputs 3 punches for his ex hadoukens? Could it possibly mean he plays pad sometimes or uses macros? Or is that's just how he inputs for ex moves?
"Go watch Transformers 2 and listen to Drake while you play MK3."
Haha
@ #19
I signed up just to reply to you ...
Please tell me you're kidding right ???
@ sf4maniac: is there any stream which recorded it?
@ Clovr4Lyf: You are just blinded by your hate towards Ryu, everyone on Eventhubs knows, so your ranting is pointless.
Capcom totally killed his SRK to the point that the (arguably) best player in the world gets jump-in'd with ease, and if you still deny that, you're just a clueless hater.
Furthermore, your statement regarding less Sagat is useless. People play Ryu 'cause he's the cover character for the game; also, he's easy to start with and is played by one of the most famous pros in the world. That has nothing to do with him be overpowered, which is pretty clear he is not.
@ #12
I agree alot of scrubs talk when they shouldnt but dont hate on Drake. Just cause he got huge doesnt mean he isnt legit. Hes still better than 99% of the MC's out now. And MK3 is awesome. If Street Fighter got overplayed and became the equivalent to pop music for video games you wouldnt stop playing would you?
Screw Transformers though.
@ #25
I signed up just to make that comment. Just found it a bit strange is all, do you input 3 punches/kicks for ex moves?
im completely with you on that clover4lyf. could his supers and ultras be any easier to link into? they are anti airs, can be used aftrer any one of his special moves, juggled into. its ridiculous. i have a hard time considering Daigo the "best player in the world" given he uses the easiest possible character to play with.
alot of pros use ppp and kkk for ex moves without binding them to one button.
the reason is that there is a higher chance the ex move will come out.
I always imagined they'd just stick to inputing 2 punches/kicks for ex moves. I didn't know that there's an increase chance of successful execution. If you look at Tokido's inputs he uses 2 punches/kicks, then again he's technically flawless so he won't need gimmicks, right? haha
Wow, people here made it clear they know nothing about how this game works.
Using three punches or three kicks is not a gimmick, it's a preference. If it affects perceived skill level at all, it doesn't by much.
A lot of people can combo into an ultra. The only reason why it worked in this case is because Ryu's lp dp hit late because of Akuma's invincibility on start up and therefore he landed earlier and was able to ultra. Daigo or not, that was a pretty good reaction to realize the ultra would connect without FADCing it, which he clearly could have done if the situation allowed.
Yeah people know nothing about ryu all right. It's totally true. He's still not one of the best characters in the ENTIRE game. he was nerfed SO hard. Jesus cry some more. Ryu is still overpowered in a ton of matchups. If most players had their way he'd be nerfed even MORE. He's boring to fight, boring to play, and most of all used more than a single needle in a rehab clinic. If people would be creative for once and not pick ryu and akuma every 5 seconds, the game might be a lot more interesting to play online. If i could track the number of times I've fought a character, akuma and ryu would be at the very top no question. Game would be better off without em, might see some actual variety online that way.
@ joppula: you are the man, thank you for making those great points. couldn't have said it better myself.
@clovr:
you made a comment earlier about akuma being low and ryu still was able to srk him. look since they nerfed hp srk, you HAVE to hit it DEEP or low, bc otherwise it trades with the mp. srk. Do you realize that ryu was able to hit his HP srk high up in the air in vanilla and score 160 damage. now if u hit it high its 50. they took down is metsu hado by 20 damage pts. also they are talking about nerfing his air tatsu. they nerfed ryu fine, i can deal with that. hes been placed into high mid or low high tier now according to most people. he was 2nd before in vanilla. y are you still complaining?
Clovr4Lyf, rarely do I post here but I have to say that you single handedly render the average collective posting IQ of this place into single digits.
Think before you commit to clicking the 'post' button. You come across as the typing equivalent of a chronic SFIV masher.
WHY DOES EVERYONE USE RYU ANYWAY? WHY NOT USE A CHARACTER THAT CHALLENGES YOU LIKE...MAKOTO OR DUDLEY. HECK, EVEN HAKAN!
@Joppula I know rite? T-Hawk could be a nightmare to fight against when he is being played in the rite hands. Ryu is not really overpowered. I mean you can just jump over the Damn fire balls or FADC them. Plus Ryu's hadoukens are what makes him Ryu if he did not have those he would be as useless as tits on a bull. His fireball recovery rate is really good so why not use it? It does not mean he is a cheap character there are many ways to beat him just have to be patient and wait for an opening and punish him for it. Personally I do not play Ryu but I do not want to see this character get nerfed because I enjoy playing against him.
P.S. Daigo is a very good player say what you want but he is.
I hope they give Ryu buffs in the arcade version.
To further add to what Joppula is saying, consider this. Ryu might be easy to start with, but to master him is another thing all together. His match ups are mostly even with a few advantages and few bad matchups. and even those aren't too much to complain about for either party involved. In super almost every char has a fighting chance. For example one of the hardest things to master is hadoken zoning. Im not talking about basic hado jump baits into srk. Im talking knowing what speed hado (lp, mp , hp which also applies to his super )to use under which distances and which conditions. Things like that take time and exp to understand. And to all the hadoken haters out there capcom gave other chars tools to deal with hados ( ex: balrogs ex dash punches, Fei's chicken wing, blanka's low slide and ex blanka balls etc) I fully admit that hados can be annoying to deal with. But they are here to stay, so y not just learn to get around them? The only thing I say capcom might have given Ryu players that is "OP" in super is the lp.srk into metsu. Other than that I feel the current Ryu is balanced quite well. And if this tastu nerf comes along I hope u all will be satistfied and leave us Ryu players alone. Im tired of people treating us like we have no skill and just play him to win. Some of us actually like the character and the play style. I would keep playing Ryu even if capcom decides to neuter him.
guys, don't give guys like Clovr or Chun_li reason to keep posting.
They are scrubs, we all know it. Their posts, in no way, have any relevance to how the game is actually played.
Everyone on these boards is dumber for having read their comments.
blablabla, excuses.
i dont main ryu at all in but my winrate ranked with him is 76% 100 matches (ok ranked is full of scrubs i know but still) im alot better with the characters i noted beneath here and my winrate with most of them is less then Ryu's
i dont even play very serious when im playing Ryu but still manage to squeeze out alot of wins, also i beat some of my friends mains with ryu alot asier then with my main's, now why is that? no thats not cause im better with Ryu cause im absolutely NOT.
YES he is easy there is NO way around it. its easier to get rank A with Seth or Guy than with Ryu? HELL no thats utter bs, dont make me laugh
anyway hes by FAR my best character and whenever i pick him it never feels like i have to try hard, even against good players
i play Ibuki, Seth, Cammy, Guy, Viper and without a single doubt they are all harder to win with than Ryu.
Respect to good Ibuki, Seth, Guy, Viper, Makoto, Dhalsim, El Fuerte, Gen, Hakan, Juri, Sakura players and even Abel, yes hes very strong but at least he requires some skill unlike Ryu
I'm in the minority here...I'm horrible with Ryu! I can do his bread & butters no problem but my mind games with him amount to more loses than wins. Actually I'm horrible with shotos, period. Maybe subliminally I just despise playing as them. Maybe it's because I prefer to react rather than cause a reaction whereas new players tend to act random. I prefer charge characters anyways.
in my opinion there is a lot of ryu's cuz:
1. is the main character of street fighter
2. is one of the easys to beggin to play.
3. well he is high on tiers, no top tier, but not medium tier.
he is though yeah, but I think that akuma is even more though and capcom buff akuma when he need to be nerf, anyway if they reduce hes walkspeed can balance they buffs.... I think.
a vega's mainer think this
I'm sorry but Ryu is just boring a lot of people agree why because he has almost no bad match ups for a beginner character it would make sense if he hit a wall completely against harder to use characters I mean honestly this version of Ryu is nothing without his Ultra.
BTW he still has trade to ultra nice job of removing it capcom
Clovr4Lyf,
Real talk here, I don't care what your mom told you...
your ability to type does not make you intelligent.
You clearly don't even understand Ryu's vanilla "Super trap". You said that you saw a video that proves that it is BS because you saw two fireballs. ROTFLMAO Do you even have this game? I half think you are just a salty Smash Bros player that gets beasted on at SF every time he plays it.
If normal society if someone doesn't know what the heck they are talking about they normally keep their mouth shut...
Thankfully you are on the internet. Congrats.
Oh and that LP DP beating the SGS was basically a meaty. Because of ultra startup invincibility, it hit late into the DP's active frames and so had less recovery. Very situational, and you have to give props to Daigo for knowing his frame data well enough to realize this was going to happen.
The same reason Cammy can situationally link her cr.hp into ultra1.
Ryu is a good character, and probably his strongest asset is he doesn't have any really bad matchups (I think Dhalsim may be his worst). He has good control over the playing field due to his projectile and dragonpunch. His Ultra 1 is deadly due to how easily it can be forced in with a DP FADC. Still, as popular as he is online, you don't really see a huge number of them in the later stages of tournaments. Like any character, player skill makes a world of difference, and Daigo has demonstrated that he's very good at this. He has stated that he likes Ryu because he has a well-rounded set of tools, and you want to call a well rounded character "easy," I guess that's your choice, but at the level these kinds of guys play at, a character being "easy" doesn't mean much.
You can bet that if someone played Hakan and habitually won tournaments with him, everyone would be calling Hakan "EZ" and "OP" as well.
Hehe wanted to put in my 2 cents. I main Dhalsim. I also play EVERYONE. I can do almost everyone's advanced crap if not atleast mid range+ skill based. All the players have some kind of downside for balance purposes. The problem ppl face with Ryu is he is too easy to play with for the returns he gives. Before you go nuts, I can pull off all his advanced stuff and the problem is his advanced stuff is easy to pull off. He was meant to be an easy to use beginner character but the problem is no one stays a beginner and then you run into the problem of the beginner character in the hands of a better player.
Just ask yourself this, why don't those Ryu players play Ken? Cuz he's balanced. Have you seen anyone bitching about Ken even though his SRK is better, safer? NOPE! Reason is his damage output requires linking more stuff. At the end of the day I play vs everyone without crying but I gotta say seeing Ryu 9/10 games makes me grit my teeth a little because I know that guy is using him as what he is, a crutch.
A side note. A friend and I play VS offline often. We will go like 50 games straight with random toons and his only wins if any are with Ryu - not kidding. We laugh because you can link a few lucky hits and it does a ton of damage with little risk. Ken and Ryu were in their place in SF3, SF4 you hardly see or hear about Ken for obvious reasons.
@clovr: dude idk where u are getting ur numbers, but most sites have ryu's win percentage at about 50% My ryu is at 52%
honestly he does not dominate every single match.
@hotballz:
Ill agree to most of what you are saying. However you didn't take into account that most ppl online know Ryu. The match up is old news to them. They know how to play him. So w.e "advantages" a Ryu player might have are somewhat offset by this. What ever happened to attributing wins to adaptation and skill? There are so many good players out there ( at least more so on PSN ), that wipe the floor with my Ryu. And Im def no beginner at him. Yes he is easy to use technique and linking wise. easy connects into ultra.
But to win with him against other advanced players is no joke. I don't care what anyone says but its def NOT easy.
Also I am trying to play Ken lol, and ill agree that he is harder to work with (till i learn that kara ) : p but thats also cuz I need more exp using him and learning his matchups.
@ ppl saying ryu is boring: Come on guys thats not a valid reason to be bashing him. Thats just your opinion. And that will always vary from person to person. So just get a better pt than that if your goin to hate a char.
@ grimmjow316: lol do I know you? From school? hmmmn is that you sohato? sorry if this the wrong person, but had to check
^ Well, i'll respond back, you would have to be some type of magician to put me in a quagmire, or addle me with anything pertaining to Ryu. Ask me anything why i use him, how long, if im scrub, newb, etc.. You, will undoubtedly be upset to find an immense amount of validity in my answers. >_O Heck, we could fight, and see if i use him as a crutch i actually feel that Akuma is prone to utilization by the more "tactical" noobs than Ryu.
To nlarz nope don't know you sorry if he goes by the same gametag he'll be hearing from my lawyers lol.
Anyways I'm saying Ryu is boring to watch since thanks he has a ton of options with little risk to them as compared to say T.Hawk or Gief.
It's just sad that people spend time learning Hakan, Guy, C. Viper or Gen to such an extent but Ryu can still shut them down with simple random bs if anything he has so many good tools why not just lower his health to Akuma level.
Also to whoever said Hakan winning tournament we will say OP you are an idiot Hakan doesn't even have a good chip move or any for that matter as compared to the other grapplers.
^ Well, i'll respond back, you would have to be some type of magician to put me in a quagmire, or addle me with anything pertaining to Ryu. Ask me anything why i use him, how long, if im scrub, newb, etc.. You, will undoubtedly be upset to find an immense amount of validity in my answers. >_O Heck, we could fight, and see if i use him as a crutch i actually feel that Akuma is prone to utilization by the more "tactical" noobs than Ryu.
I must be an idiot, either that or just not showing my altruistic nature like i should. I must apologize everyone has thier beliefs about certain things. I must also admit that i understand where the "Ryu h8trs" are coming from. Especially you grimmjow you make good points, as pelucid as i presume myself to be as far as understanding things. Ryu is without a doubt in the top 5 most facile characters to learn. Along with, Ken, Sim, Seth, Akuma, and Adon (opinion).
More over, if you think about it the amount of training with an intricate character vs the training with Ryu doesn't at all add up. The average beginners, im exemplifying, the average beginners, taking two if they both train with lets say, Viper, and the other Ryu. When the time comes to display what they've learned lets say, in about three hours the Ryu will be damn near mastered. Where as, the Viper may be 3/4 or less than the way.
All im saying is lets just all take a sec to see the others point of view. Not because i did, but to ascend to a greater enlightenment with yourself, and to exhume great things with your fellow players. Im not taking any sides im a "Ryu fanboy" so no stress. Didn't know Ryu with nerfs was still causing ppl to emoitinally tizzy. Oh, well, lets just try, and take it one day at a time guys. See the oppositions perspective on things.
Joppula proof your the stupidest person on the planet Ryu is harder to get wins than Guy, Seth or Hakan really how so explain because I've seen the boards (PSN) and I've seen only on American Hakan break over to A and the line is filled with nothing but dum dum dum Ryus. Hell there was even a combo video of guy simply saying mashing dp will beat just about all he has and really paper thin Seth has an easier time.... I don't even know what to say to that one.
@96 You talking to me? I use Ryu I don't have trouble winning at all. Maybe you should relax before you get the chance to hear yourself think up this refuse, and became injured. I don't wan't anything i just state how i feel, and correct ppl if, something they say is directed towards me. Don't know if what you said was, but i feel it was.
Well Shotokan at least you came here with a very excellent point's I mean my dislike for Ryu steams at the fact he nearly has no bad match ups case in point how Sim scarred Daigo into picking up Cammy and from what we have heard he isn't very good with her (ATM).
BTW Shotokan thank you for at least bringing some for of reason here.
guys, lets keep the name calling to a min. If only to keep our pts clear without personally offending each other.
heres my stance on the whole "easy to use " thing.
All of you guys who use "more technical" char, I understand where you are coming from. I do, bc I know friends who main low tier chars, and its hard. I get it. Now I started playing Ryu bc I liked the char, I mean the guy is practically THE symbol of fighting games. when I 1st started a year or so ago I couldn't even do a double hadoken motion. I had no clue what was considered hard or easy. I just played the char I liked. Im sure most beginners are the same way. The only fighting game exp Ive had b4 this was soul cal. I stayed with Ryu not bc he was hard or easy, or bc I wanted easy wins. I stayed with him cuz I enjoyed the story of his char. Now getting to my pt, since I digressed; Guys ask yourself this-
Why do you play the chars you play?
Do u really like your char ( play style or back story)?
Do u play them bc u want to win and are thinking in terms of tiers?
Or if you play a "technical" char do play bc u enjoy that char? or bc u want the bragging rights to tell ppl who use other chars that you are better than them?
Most likely ull say I play them bc I enjoy using that char.
This is supposed to be a GAME. Its meant to be ENJOYED. Yes its competitive and emotions run high, but in the end its still supposed to be FUN.
So building off of that, you guys that use ppl like Gen, C.Viper, Makoto, seth and guy; YOU CHOSE to play those char.
No one forced that choice on you. So in return you cant expect everyone to make the same choices as you. The world doesn't work like that. I hope I made some sense here.
@ nlarz it falls under the thing talent vs hard work yes i know it doesn't apply to games but that's how it looks Ryu has all the talent all the others have to work for it and at times the Ryu favorite character is seen as a mask for what they really want wins with no effort this isn't directed at everyone a few but not all plain and simple will continue this later must go to work...
@ grimmjow.
At your earlier comment abt Ryu having too many options. Yes he does have an answer for everything. But not the extent that akuma and seth have. If they nerfed his health Id only be okay if it went down to 950 or 975 from 1000. But thats as far as Im willing to concede to that point
at this point I wouldnt mind the tatsu nerf or a 50 health point nerf on ryu. Just so I can play him in peace. And not get dumped on for using him. I feel the way I play takes skill, and it took me months to get it. And everywhere I turn no one wants to admit that. Too bad things like a perfectly balanced game doesnt exist. Then there wouldn't be any complaints lol.
Im all for the 50 health nerf the tatsu never really mattered to me since it's seen as there "escape option" except for Akuma.
Maybe in the future there will be a balanced game.
@ grimmjow: Amen to that Grimmjow lol.
@Joppula: Dude are u on psn or xbl? Im on PSN. If you are also, Id be great if we could play some matches. And go over Ryu strategy. Ur Ryu would Prob Nuke mine though, or if u want some more anti-Ryu match up exp for your other chars let me know.
O btw Theres a chance I wont be on till after Oct 9th. Got the LSATs then ( to get into grad school). O and I'm east cost in NY.
Sounds great joppula. My psn tag is nlarz. Since ur in Michigan, we should have pretty decent connection. Next time I'm on I'll hit u up for sure, if I see u on. Actually if u dont mind send me a req on psn when ur on next. That way when I sign on and approve u, I can see if ur on or offline immediately. Sadly I only play like an hr a day when I can ( normally somewhere btwn 4:30- 6:30 EST), mainly bc I'm living at home with the rents after college, and they are on my ass abt this damn test I gotta take in Oct sigh. GL in seasons beatings if I dont see u on b4 then.
apologies JOPPULA I SOWWY LOL no really, i apologize plz 4give my rudeness
well at least something positive came out of this flamewar
ClovrNoLife just stated that Rufus is the best, YET, Justin Wong got his but handed to him by a Gief player(Vangief) and an Adon player(Gamerbee). If Rufus was really overpowered, then why did that character lose? Because it takes SKILL to win. Anyways, try to go online and copy what Daigo is doing, you'd get whooped 0-10 just playing against equally skilled players. That's why Street Fighter is so good, a character represents how you want to fight, how well you fight depends on the player.
to all you ryu haters out there and especially Clovr4Lyf:
how is ryu boring? tell me WHO'S fun to use? of course he is ez to use and arguably the most balanced char in the game. that doesnt mean you will win all the time. or maybe its just that you guys dont know his game and cant punish him for it. and to clovers question:
-Why does a tatsu force me to block high for all the hits so I cant crouch and punish him?
you have to be kidding me right? force you to block high?
you should just quit the game because sf is clearly not the game for you
OK, I've read a LOT of moronic comments. This is to the haters:
1. Daigo has pretty much always been shoto. Mainly Ryu, Ken, Akuma for the last 20 years. He picked Ryu and stuck to him in SF4 before he knew anything about the other characters. If he wanted to pick the best he would have picked Sagat in vanilla. He mains Ryu because he always has. He practically is Ryu. Also, I doubt he cares if he "impresses you"!
2. Ryu is not an easy character to win with. Everyone knows his game back to front. To be good with Ryu is no easy task. To be good with an unknown quantity is much easier. Most people haven't got a clue what to do against Adon for example. I can get easy random ass wins with less popular characters like Dudley. People lack practice against the less popular characters.
3. If Ryu is so good and so over powered and so easy to use where are all these famous Ryu players? When Vanilla was out Daigo was the only Ryu in the top 20 Japanese players. I think there might have been one other Ryu in the top 50! Where are the great US Ryu players? Were they raping at Evo???
Damn haven't checked this post since I posted sheesh it's long lol.
I wasn't bashing hope people didn't think that. Was simply giving my experience.
For those who say "everyone knows his game". Ya, actually I know everyone's game. I can tell exactly when I am about to eat an ex-hand or a Gouken/cammy is about to fly accross the screen and grab me. Everyone knows everyone's game in the advanced places there is no surprises. What probably bothers people is the damage options he can get. Newbie player aside, they should have kept him like sf3, knock down players quicker, less juggling that should be Ken's job.
No one is saying Ryu makes you win, sure doesn't. But for the Ryu winners out there, I guarantee half of them blow with Ken and yes I have tested that too :D I do applaud the Ryu mainers that can pull off all of Ken's advanced combos.
Ex-tatsu in a corner by Ken, not a big deal you just have to try and guess his next attack chain, shoryuken or possibly grab.
Ex-tatsu Akuma - will always knock you back into the open center stage.
Ex-tatsu with Ryu, time to eat another free ex-tatsu, or eat a free Ultra or another shoryuken. O___o Crap like that is what gets Ryu the attention.
Just another side note. Ryu was always my favorites in previous releases along with Ken. Always played him first before going on to others. This time around I couldn't stand the art work on him, looks like a Gorilla on steroids. Heck pause when he does his Ultra, I swear its Donkey Kong. METSU-BARREL-UKEN!!! That added to the easy to use 1 button smash for a good amount of damage turned me away.
Sorry for the long post, hope I didn't piss off too many people :)
@hawtbawls:
U make some good points again, however there are some things I wanna throw out there.
Akuma's ex tatsu might not juggle in the corner like ryus, but his lk.norm tatsu goes into hp.srk fadc red hado and then ex tatsu if u wanted. and its not a difficult combo.
And I heard rumors that they might make his U2 comboable by a srk fadc. ( on arcade version?) which can start with a lk.tatsu. I dont think its that bad though.
yes kens ex tatsu gives u chance to get out bc its a mix up. so u guess right ur out. guess wrong u prob get a hp. or mp.srk to the face or maybe a grab. no one likes eating kens srks lol. but u have to rem that in the corner u can fadc a srk into an air ex tatsu into a Ultra 1 ( not for animation). Also a falling air ex tatsu can combo into directly into an U1 for full animation.
Ryu's reg tatsu doesn't have these properties, and the ex tatsu only has it in the corner. I mean the corner causes a lot of chars damage options to improve not just Ryu's.
As I said b4 the only thing I can see ppl complain abt and agree on is the lp.srk into metsu hado. Thats a gimme thats not needed. kinda like boxer's head butt into Ul. Please dont get pissed off at me boxer players lol. I was just making a comparison.
I think chun has some thing where she can catch u in the air ( air to air move ?) and juggle into U2. Maybe im mistaken since I dont main her. But I don't see ppl complaining abt chun ( not that I have a prob with this personally). If I'm wrong abt that ill take it back, cuz im not sure if thats what it really is.
also I dont think Ryu players are bad at comboing with ken. I think they are just more used to ending combos with a hado or hk.Tatsu to push into corner. kens prob mix in a kara tic throw and end their combos with a mp or hp.srk. Thats my problem, I suck at kara throws and I need to get used to ending combos with a srk.
And lastly I agree Ryu could have been made to look a little less cavemanish. But I don't mind it too bad.
But we could prob go back and forth on this topic all day. And both of us would have some solid examples.
ryu is 1 out of 30+ character in SSF4. I don't see anything wrong in using him. As i said he is 1 of the many characters. You see more of him because he's fun to play with yet hard to master. Just play and move on. If you don't like fighting him, go to another room. Or if you can't beat him just because the PLAYER using him is good. move to another room. no need to complain and bash the character.
People always complain about everything, human nature. if 80% of the ppl online start to use cammy, deejay or guile or rufus etc etc other than ryu/ken, sooner or later they will complain about too many matches with them too. nothing can satisfy everyone.
Without RYU/KEN I would not consider buying or playing much of any sf games.
RYU/KEN should aways stay in SF games without a doubt
my opinion.
Don't mind if my grammar gets retarded. Waiting on a plane at the airport:) personally I'm not complaining. I don't think there major issues one way or the other but some stuff need to be tweaked. The point is u need downsides to upsides. I still play sf3 and I play ryu. After a hurricane kick I can't spam the next attack as it really wouldn't make sense. In 4 u can. This debate can go on forever but at the end it comes down to capcom. I hope they put Ken in the spotlight again
because they are professional.