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Episode 10 of Cross Counter, Dudley vs. Abel

Posted by Catalyst
September 9, 2010 at 10:52 a.m. PDT
Episode 10 of Cross Counter has been uploaded. It shows a Dudley vs. Abel SSF4 match, and special guest EG.Martin "Marn" Phan joins Gootecks and Mike Ross to break things down.


I_want_your_sister said on September 9, 2010 at 11 a.m.

I love this show. -Gir

Baha said on September 9, 2010 at 11:03 a.m.

The amount of random ultras I've seen Marn thrown out I don't think he qualifys to laugh quite that hard.

deltaxdeltap said on September 9, 2010 at 11:07 a.m.

Sounds like Marn doesn't have too much respect for the BP system.

That orz thing is clever, though.

luffy165 said on September 9, 2010 at 11:51 a.m.

Marn Best Dudley Ever!

hetisvet said on September 9, 2010 at 12:06 p.m.

I hate BP 2. Even if you win constantly it just takes forever because you might not get matches against high BP opponents wtf? Why is it not an add up system that rewards streaks of wins.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 12:11 p.m.

lol lol maan i hate maen...after i killed his dudley in houston...and he raged left the building...then he boots me from stream everytime i ask why did he leave, lol lame..but what ever..keep covering your boobs because you know their huge hahaha...

but omg look at mike ross face from lik 411-450 when marn starts saying abel cant do anything to you from a nuetral jump hshshsshs on blast on blast look at mikes eyes lmao

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 12:14 p.m.

omg omg i just watched again i think i know why mike was looking like that...the question was if abel has 30 persecnt of life and meter is it ok to go after him...umm nuetral jump equal instant ultra hahahahaha wow good advice marn

WorstGiefEVER said on September 9, 2010 at 12:15 p.m.






WorstGiefEVER said on September 9, 2010 at 12:16 p.m.

Also, tell people not to cross their arms, body languageeeeee

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 12:30 p.m.

marn in very uncomfortable..hahahaha it makes people not like him lol lol he is not a person i would like to get to know...especially when i made him RAGE LEAVE the venue

Cowman715 said on September 9, 2010 at 12:36 p.m.

LOL at 4:25. :)

Cowman715 said on September 9, 2010 at 12:43 p.m.

Just so you guys know. Abel has another option in the last few seconds... On CH abel can just cod. no need for cr.lp :P

samuraix025 said on September 9, 2010 at 12:53 p.m.

is it just me or is it a little salty in here? you say you beat him, he got mad and left, no need to rub it in his face. if he beat you and gloated about it, you'd be pissy too.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 1:07 p.m.

not salty i would want a rematch

he stormed out and left....hahaha he had 40 wins i took one

Taxattack123 said on September 9, 2010 at 1:15 p.m.

Makoto, please calm down.

okay said on September 9, 2010 at 1:16 p.m.

Marn is a fancy guy.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 1:28 p.m.

im not even crunk im just saying hahaha mike ross's eyes told it all muahahaha those funny eyes he gave got 4th place at evo muaahhahaha

VegaBisonAbel said on September 9, 2010 at 1:46 p.m.

worst cross counter ever hate marn's face

RandomDP said on September 9, 2010 at 1:54 p.m.

Marn should have ended with his rendition of Space Opera Symphony.


Mourne said on September 9, 2010 at 1:56 p.m.

Makoto: You need to get out more and stop obsessing. Chill out, cause you're acting like a psychopath.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 2:02 p.m.

Uh... @Makoto_is_sexy .. Who are you again.. I don't even remember you. I'm sure if there were more of you, a lot of people would talk about how they beat me online, etc. You talk too much for being a random dude. I really hope you're not that Will guy. You talk wayy too much, if you want and think you can beat me, please play me for $1000+ and I'll be in Houston tomorrow to shut you up. Other than that, please stop talking like you're even remotely good, cause usually after 30-40 wins I get bored and need a cigarette. Which I probably did after I lost.

shinakka said on September 9, 2010 at 2:15 p.m.

Makoto_is_sexy sounds like the kind of guy who after losing a million times finally gets a win and all of a sudden thinks he is a god. I'm sure if you beat Marn after he had 40 wins he would have been like "Thanks God! I can finally go to the bathroom/smoke a cig/return ____'s phone call."

Get out of here Makoto_is_sexy.

Mutlak said on September 9, 2010 at 2:36 p.m.

Hey Marn you seem to know a lot about Dudley but don't seem to ever help out the rest of the Dudley players. Players like Golden Gunman are usually on hand to help out with tactics and matchups, but for someone who's regarded as the best Dudley you sure haven't given much back to the community. Stoke the fires man, you have skills and knowledge that could help the rest of us Dudley players further in our game. This cross counter's a start, but c'mon man, lend a hand.

fallaciouscow said on September 9, 2010 at 2:42 p.m.

that orz thing is genius, lol

Shredelicious said on September 9, 2010 at 2:45 p.m.

@ #23

What has the community given to Marn??? It's weird when people say "give back to the community" when the community isn't the reason why Marn is the best Dudley. So what is he repaying you for? Try to figure it out yourself, like Marn did.

If you're the best at something, you don't give your secrets out for free kiddo. If you really want Marn's help, e-mail him, and set up some lessons.

IrPanda said on September 9, 2010 at 2:48 p.m.

@ Mutlak

Just because someone is good with a character doesn't mean he has time to give out advise to the entire community. I mean yea its good to give advise and all but sometimes they just wanna play the game and have fun them selves or do what ever they do.
I mean doesn't it annoy you if people keep asking to fight you so they can learn and the skill level is just .......

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 3 p.m.

@Mutlak, sorry, I'm a very busy guy with my lessons and my personal life making money. That's why there are people like Golden Gunman and stuff who have time to help out. I don't have time to do things like that. Sorry. I would if I could, but a lot of the time, I'm out doing my own thing, and on top of that, a lot of people like to say a lot of bad things, so I don't feel obligated to help anyone at all. Sure, they're stream monsters and idiots and you might not be one of them, but again, I don't feel like I have gotten anything out of the community to give back to the community.

"Well the community got you to where you are". No, I did. I don't pick up things from forums, I don't watch videos every day. I USED to watch Yukinose all day back in the day when I used to play Guilty Gear. But I realized I was trying to play more like him and not more like the way I should play.

I've worked my way up by doing the things I can to get better, everyone else wants free advice after I've put time and money and effort for 10+ years to get to where I am in the fighting genre. I didn't say that it took me 10+ years to get me great at this =P cause I believe that I'm not where I want to be quite yet. People might think I have a big ego, but taunting, doing all the things I do, it's to get the other player to play their best. If they keep playing sloppy, I'm going to keep taunting. Win or lose I will learn from the experiences that I go through.

There are a lot of things that people in the 'community' don't understand because I haven't said much. I let people call me fat, I let people do all those things, I don't care most of the time what people say because whatever they say isn't going to help me. It's not going to help them either. They just want to say things so they don't have to admit that they're really not into the game, not trying (except trying to troll me), or even not good at the game. They spend their times trying calling me fat or my flaws instead of trying to get better. Why should I give them any attention?

Only free advice I can give you, is keep playing and keep trying new things, because eventually you'll figure out your style and you can work from there.

Have a nice day,

CharlieKun said on September 9, 2010 at 3:05 p.m.

Loool Mike ross gives me jokes! u see his face at 4:26?
after marn said theres nothing abel can do if you jump at him with no meter. cant abels air grab take u out the sky? im not too sure, but it looks like mike was thinking that haha
nice video you 3.

shinakka said on September 9, 2010 at 3:08 p.m.

Well said. Marn.

shinakka said on September 9, 2010 at 3:09 p.m.

@28, I think he was referring to a neutral jump. Not a jump in?

Nukka said on September 9, 2010 at 3:12 p.m.

Nice to see a Vietnamese person be in the pro gaming community.

Viet pride bro.

terror said on September 9, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.

i hope they do a cross counter on ibuki 0.0

JumpMan33 said on September 9, 2010 at 3:17 p.m.

Marn is a funny dude, I lol'ed at the BP jokes XD

iheartmota said on September 9, 2010 at 3:19 p.m.

Abel could FA, backdash, block.

With meter ex roll, ex cod.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 3:35 p.m.

I meant j.rh on his wakeup btw ;\.

Apex said on September 9, 2010 at 3:57 p.m.

Mike's T is amazin, has like all the good fighters out now on it, I need 2 get 1

IrPanda said on September 9, 2010 at 3:58 p.m.

Think he was talking about something to punish not make an even position or in abels disadvantage.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 4:13 p.m.

Focus Absorb Backdash loses to option select :\. Rolling is his worst option. Roll is too slow and will get thrown.

You're basically throwing out every single option that WOULD work in theory. Of course a 'good' Abel would know options and escape, but Abel is at a disadvantage no matter what he does. There's really no option that is viable except blocking.

Roll - Thrown
Backdash - F.fierce
Falling sky - Shouldn't be able to hit if you're doing it right.

Then in that situation, you'd be like well ex command throw but that gets beat by thrown, and blahblah. I'm trying to give out options that give Dudley an advantage.

I mean to escape from Balrog's c.lp, all Shotos have to do is uppercut, might as well uppercut every time.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 4:15 p.m.


Cool. Do I even know you? Good thing you're judging me from streams. Too bad you don't really know me to hate me, but I hope you're life prospers and you become a millionaire. But hey, if you do know me which you probably don't because I don't really talk to anyone but my close friends, kudos. You hate me. Congrats bro.

jesuslovessatan said on September 9, 2010 at 4:15 p.m.

good sh1t. not a big fan of dud though.

@marn been seeing alot of your viper recently. i know your probably getting ready for SBO but wheres the dudley love?

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.

Yeah, do you know the guy who makes those videos?
Don't know him. Never met him in my life. He's never gone anywhere. He just takes what people say / jokes and puts them into videos. I've watched that and nothing is true or is proven to be true. Except me destroying that GG tournament, which was completely my fault. But hey, everyone makes mistakes. Like me even replying to you right now.

I've only been playing Dudley lately and after SBO, and even on the NSB stream (on the 23rd of September) I will be testing my Dudley vs the Japanese. Hopefully you'll have the time to watch me. Win or get scraped, I'll try my hardest =).

shinakka said on September 9, 2010 at 4:30 p.m.

Jesus, what's with the trolls today?

shinakka said on September 9, 2010 at 4:32 p.m.

BTW my comment was directed at L_A_C and Makoto_is_sexy.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 4:33 p.m.

Ok, this is ridiculous, I'm not responding to anything again. Obviously I've wasted my time with trolls.

You're also assuming that THAT Abel was as good as whoever you're trying to refer to. Throwing Abel out of a roll? 70% minimum. It's not about the distance with his roll, it's about the startup.

And on topic of that video, that wasn't even supposed to be shot. That was a random moment where I was joking when I thought the camera was off, I'm pretty sure me and Sherry were friends before that and even after. Again, this is a matter of people just watching videos and basing it off of that and not what happens IRL.

KevinT747 said on September 9, 2010 at 4:48 p.m.


Why even bother posting anything here in the news forums. It's basically a troll/flamefest every single time. I'm surprised it hasn't spiraled into the usual "I want these characters in the game" or "my character doesn't have a DP so he obviously needs to be buffed". If you want to post something where there's a little more tolerance, try the actual forums here at EH. Under a news article, you're just asking for trouble.


You're an obvious troll with nothing better to do. Go waste somebody else's time. I'm actually surprised Catalyst hasn't kicked you yet, but I'm guessing it's because he simply hasn't read your posts yet.

RandomJohn said on September 9, 2010 at 6:28 p.m.

This proves your BP / PP count do not mean crap.

Kurdijef said on September 9, 2010 at 6:36 p.m.

All I want to know is they promise Marn that T-shirt for visiting Cross Counter? :DD

blaize09 said on September 9, 2010 at 6:44 p.m.

I would bet there was some lag in this match just based on how many blown combos there were.

PS: nice seeing gootecks rocking the Blood Brothers T.


Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 6:58 p.m.


damn i started all this...great laughs after a hard days of work...marn where do u wanna meet planet zero or monster arcade your choice...100 dollar first to 10 i choose who i want u stick with dudley

terror said on September 9, 2010 at 7:02 p.m.

^you're still trollin?

massi4h said on September 9, 2010 at 7:32 p.m.

Why are they commenting on Endless Battles now?

Also they don't mention stuff like: that was a bad mash dp or both players are using way too much focus attack. They kinda just laugh and don't give much hard advice.

Also 4:23 Mike Ross trying not to laugh lol.

Marn said on September 9, 2010 at 7:56 p.m.

@Makoto_is_sexy so who are you again? $100? I need $1000. I can't spend $300-$400 on a plane ticket and lose money. You're a moron.

Megatonbeef said on September 9, 2010 at 8:29 p.m.

I really don't understand all the Marn hate going around, He's an extreamly good player and also won TVC at EVO. It's rare to have someone like that actually respond to your post after being blasted so much. And who cares about his personal life anyway this is a fighting game site, thier are much better disscusions you could have with a serious player.

AeriALs said on September 9, 2010 at 8:50 p.m.

Because people feel the need to belittle others to make up for the fact that they are socially awkward losers :). It's impossible to respect an opinion of a nobody that's trying to get under the skin of a proven player by making random stabs at them and saying they took 1 out of 300 games vs him.
This site reminds me of for anyone that plays/played brood war or sc2 as far as moderation goes lol.

Mourne said on September 9, 2010 at 9:17 p.m.

Marn: I know you mean well, but this place is completely void of intelligence. Catalyst does a nice job with the news, no question about that. Sadly, the commenters do not follow his example and there's really no moderation in place to encourage them to behave otherwise. Virtually all of these posers in these comments has much to learn about SF4, and you lot should feel fortunate that Marn is willing to reply to you instead of trying to demean him for no reason other than you are insecure in your own adequacy. It may be that many of you simply are not good enough at the games and feel your time is more appropriately spent here on EventHubs (a place that is, essentially, a perpetual flaming tug-o-war) with like-minded individuals, and if so, that is more than understandable.

Good luck at SBO, Marn. As much as I'm sure myself and other level-headed players like to hear from the pros, you should avoid this specific band of people because, quite frankly, they just are not worth your time. (Or anyone else's for that matter)

OIIIEGA said on September 9, 2010 at 10:03 p.m.

It's sad how much attention trolls can get sometimes...

It hilarious how some people just love drama and starting arguments for apparently no reason whatsoever. I'd be willing to bet these people are the same ones who enjoy watching "tv shows" like Jersey Shore.

Lolz... Such trash..

And Marn, we don't know each other at all, but here's a peice of advice. Haters will hate, so fu ck em.

That is all.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 9, 2010 at 10:11 p.m.

people dont understand where im coming from...its more too it but im going to drop it after this...i asked marn a simple question...he started talking crap over stream,,,then when i confronted him about it i get booted...i put him on blast then he had comentators ban me..then marn is from austin and he starts talking more crap about where we are from houston really like dude dont talk crap then representone of our arcades at devestation..go look at the clips thats a planet zero shirt...i was a huge fan of marn until then..i was happy cause i beat him yes...not online, no lag no i have a right to be offended you talk crap about my city i will back it up as should anyone..dude your family even leaves here...marn we showed you love that night man...and then when you leave you talk crap...this is on a personal level not like these other dudes saying your fat...but its all cool man..good job with eg do your thing but dont forget where you come from

McBison said on September 9, 2010 at 11:46 p.m.

Dont bother responding or defending yourself against flaming troll haters. Its a waste of your time and space on these comment boards. Their only purpose in life is to make you angry.
Props to this vid. Im a Dud mainer so its great to get some insight from a top player.

SeoulZombie said on September 10, 2010 at 8:10 a.m.

@Makoto_is_sexy: You really should take a lesson in proper English. And stop trolling, it won't prove or solve anything. Marn is better than you, that's why he is sponsored and a professional.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 8:20 a.m.

dude shut up i dropped it ...never said i was better than marn..not once...i dont play 20 hours a day like marn...marn him self said he is only trying to get better..i play for fun, casual...i dont abuse the game mechanics like the pros...i could care less about option selects, to me that ruins the game a bit, but ohwell, i congradulated marn about eg in my last post...its done dude i believe you are the troll

so go put something cylindrical in ya mouth and shut it

SmoothJK said on September 10, 2010 at 8:21 a.m.

LOL. The more I see Marn and the more he gets involved, the more I respect him. Someone made a comment about him "giving back to the community," which was a laugh for me. He's constantly being bombarded with idiotic trolls and being bashed...why the hell would he want to give his hard-earned knowledge to those people?

Granted, some of the crap he brings on himself, and I'm sure he knows it. But I find it refreshing that a pro player like him actually takes the time to respond to us random people here. Giving out knowledge is somewhat risky for a gamer, as it can be used against him. It's not like these pros are professional athletes, whose skills are largely based on physical traits we will never have no matter how much advice we're given. Gamers' skills are mostly in their heads.

Anyway, Marn, I hope you continue to get more involved and hope to keep hearing your thoughts. Don't let the stench of idiots push you away too much...I honestly think the vast majority of us appreciate hearing from you.

SeoulZombie said on September 10, 2010 at 9:04 a.m.

@Makoto_is_sexy: You're constantly bringing up the fact that you beat him and that he left the building. That's pretty much saying that you are better and are trying to rub it in his face. I never once said that you were hating on Marn or anything for his EG sponsor, don't put words in my mouth; I was using it as a point to show how far he has gotten in competitive SF playing. And it doesn't matter if you dropped it or not, you were the second person to disrespect Marn on this topic and you kept going on with it. You're the one who started the flamewar and the trolling.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 9:53 a.m.

dude your sounding like a groupie...maan eg has cheerleaders now hahahahaha give me a M give me an A give R give me a N what does that marns little biatch... hahahah getting mad hahaha go watch some porn or something hahah instead of jerking off to marns youtube videos hahahahah i started the flame war and ended close hahahahah now if you want me to play you on xbl ill be more than happy to hand your nuts to you

Marn said on September 10, 2010 at 10:07 a.m.

I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty curious to who you actually are. I think you're Will. You should let me know. And we can play on XBL and you can beat me some more.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 11:37 a.m.

lol naw man this isn't dont know me, i just happened to goto midnight comics thats night and i played akuma and you where dudley...i punished a few whiffed dps from you and won...the only reason i blew it up was because you started talking crap about houston and i was mad..because i was a fan of yours...saw you rocking our pz shirts and everything...and then you go bashing stream name was marns_right_boob i know you remember me now but yea i wouldnt mind whoopin that ass somemore on my tekken 6 stick hahah i left my te at home while im on campus

AeriALs said on September 10, 2010 at 11:42 a.m.

You don;t realize that Marn literally never says anything and takes it seriously. He's the most sarcastic person in the world and yet everyone takes his comments seriously lol. Even the comments he's been making right now he's just joking around about lol. Headachesssssssssssssssssssssss

Marn said on September 10, 2010 at 11:56 a.m.

...You know me rockin PZ shirts is exactly like me rockin' my PJs right? It's not meant to be taken seriously.

Now let me tell you a little history about Houston. Houston was on par with East Coast, West Coast, etc. back in the day. Had my brother Vigorous, AznHitler, Brian Tyson, WWGenius, and the list goes on. Stargate (ran by cmutt) was probably the best arcade ever created. Made for the players by a player.

Stargate goes down, PZ opens up, people aren't too fond of PZ and they go on with their lives. Leaving no 'old school' player behind, all these new cats jumping into SF4 and other stuff don't know what they're doing. The only person who has any sense of the fighting game genre in Houston is Jan. There is no other person I respect from Houston except for him.

Every coast has to have a player that helps them level up. Justin for EC (left), Alex Valle is working hard to get people in California on par, Jan's been trying but no one wants to cooperate. Without someone with experience teaching you new school players, how will you thrive? It's just not possible. It's like you going directly into the NBA because you won a game of HORSE vs. a dude with no arms, and you're like I'M GREAT AT BASKETBALL LET'S DO IT SON!!!!! ...No. :\.

Most of the time, I'm just stating my own opinion, and it's true in a sense, Houston scene is not what it once was.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 1:09 p.m.

so you dont respect people who arent as "good" as you?
marn man and you wonder why people dont get along with you dude... alright man you are entitled to your opinions ohwell dude...

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 1:27 p.m.

marn your good but people leaving to join teams and sh1t doesnt help the community grow at all...yall are just building powerhouses and jordan said to lebron james...i would never join larry bird, or magic be the best you have to compete against the best...not like lebron leaving to make a powerhouse heat but its all about the dollar hahaha better get it while you can..economy will just become worst...the rich are starting to become power...because the poor cant work for them just wait and see

Mourne said on September 10, 2010 at 1:40 p.m.

I have to say, I didn't think it was possible, but...

Makoto's side of the story is far, far, -far- more ridiculous than I could have ever imagined. I can't believe Street Fighter is now being equated to the NBA and it's all about chasing the almighty dollar.

The fact that you ended it with "better get it while you can..economy will just become worst...the rich are starting to become power...because the poor cant work for them just wait and see" is really all that I needed to read. Now it's like an economist weighing Street Fighter up there with the fall of Wall Street. Then there's this whole hometown pride angle--it's madness!

I've changed my mind, seriously. This guy is incredible, and insane. Mostly the latter.

mach1545 said on September 10, 2010 at 4:15 p.m.

Why all the Marn hate? I doubt anybody posting here would be bashing Marn if he wasn't good at Street Fighter.

spidii said on September 10, 2010 at 6:20 p.m.

Not a great ep for learning purposes but the guys were pretty funny. The Marn hate is ridiculous in here btw, I met him at Evo and he was very pleasant, trying to concentrate but was fine with people coming up and saying hi like the rest of them. Marn made me want to play Viper, he's a great competitor and as a fan of the game, I respect him. Personal life and accusations aside, Marn is a pretty good guy who's very good at this game.

Makoto_is_sexy said on September 10, 2010 at 6:42 p.m.

streetgihter is on the merge of being a huge the nba...are you blind...look at triforce and his team..justin leaves the to join EG..triforce was a little salty about contract that not like the lebron james deal...if street fighter joins mlg.. it will be about money...

n00b_saib0t said on September 11, 2010 at 12:07 a.m.

so, about marn not giving back to the community... if you watch his dudley in action, the players who are active in the community will break that down and tell you WHY it works. hearing it from him wont make it any better than hearing it from someone who saw him in action and knew why it worked and why it was the best option, so why bring up that he doesnt constantly "give back"? thats just... stupid.

PhinnyCupcakes said on September 12, 2010 at 2:23 p.m.

No I don't want to know more about marn. He might be a good player, but he's a terrible person.


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