the thing alot of people on here are forgetting is they only show a match per episode everyone who watches the tounry scene knows Justin got stomped on afterword. Also they mention more then 5 times "hey gamerbee didn't know the match up" so it's not like they're saying "gamerbee got smoked"
Quick question to the people complaining about this episode. What's more interesting, seeing a character almost no one uses and having pros -- including the one that used her -- run through the match or seeing yet another Adon match from Gamerbee where he destroys the opponent?
Yeah, Makoto all the way here, it's a no brainer. Haters always gotta hate.
Notice how they don't call Jwong the American champion anymore?
Aren't they supposed to... You know, analyze the match? I just think this episode wasn't enough analyzing tbh. :P So s.mp has high priority and jump back fierce is win. But we knew that. (At some level at least. :P)
Off topic.
What's wrong to be good with more than 1 character and to be able to use that to your advantage? It's not like other players are locked, so don't see the fuss. Next thing you know will be having top tier characters banned because they are better than the rest?
Personally, counter picks are good when they change the tide of battle so you can go from turtling/getting crushed to be able to launch an offensive. That kind of counter pick is cool. Picking Dhalsim to turtle your opponent out, while legit, is super sad to see. Turtling matches are boring and kinda kill the excitement this game can bring.
Whatever way you look at it... They are BOTH incredible players and deserve Kudos for even getting as far as they do. Congrats guys!!! Good Match!
I hate how they show this match but not the rematch afterwards where Gamerbee destroys his Makoto. WHY DID THEY DO THIS!?
What the hell is you beef^^^ #20
Mike Ross, Justin Wong and even Marn are great players.
You're just a little Hater. Grow up
To all the people bi*chin that they didnt show the other match you should know that only one match per episode is shown and they did indeed mention the follow up match so shut it.
@bbgun83.....ummm you do know that they are all top competitors in super IV who would end the gaming career of majority of players right? You obviously aren't that much of an active member in the community.
Also I think the main reason that they havent analyzed much is because they are showing pro matches. In all honesty the pro matches usually have little to talk on except that they were great matches. When they start choosing matches played by random players in the community then we will see more mistakes :D
Mike Ross and Gootecks always look super high in these.
How come they didn't talk about the Gamerbee vs jwong matches afterwards? Is this so bias that jwong can't say, oh I made a mistake here or I shouldn't have done that there, etc? I'm not hating but if you're going to show matches about Makoto or any low tier character they need to show them all. Not just the ones where the American team wins.
For people claiming that Justin Wong's owning of Gamerbee's Adon (his MAIN) doesn't mean anything, ask yourself this: Can you see Gamerbee beating JWong's main (Rufus) with someone low-tier like Makoto.
You don't have to like Justin Wong. But the idiots on this website and others like it claiming Justin Wong somehow sucks at Street Fighter are absolute morons.
The dude can play is butt-off with MULTIPLE characters. Gamerbee's Adon is sick as well.
i thought the whole point of international players coming over was to bring our scenes together? why is it every time i read a comment here its an attempt to segregate the community via origin? its not like people are saying, "Gamerbee's win should have been the one viewed" they're saying "they only show when the americans win". why do you look at it as USA/jp/korea/UK? You are failing your own community by attempting to segregate. If gamerbee won, he didnt "trash america", he beat everyone. and to those who say america is scrubby, where is your merit to cast judgement, or compare 'sides'? its just a little disappointing to see this kind of behavior. there are ppl from jp who trash everyone, and ppl from UK and US who trash everyone as well.
@flip
i was wondering the same thing lol
@f1ip and AxlRed37
The phrase is "pot monster," BTW.
It means someone who contributes to the pot (money) of a tournament by entering it, but has little to no chance of finishing in a spot that has a payout, usually a top 3 or top 8 position.
It's another derogatory term, like "stream monster" that I think this community could do without, but I digress...
The guys were obviously joking/using the term loosely when they called Daigo this, but yeah, there it is.
Its funny that Justin named his dog after the guy that raped him.
How come they didn't talk about the Gamerbee vs jwong matches afterwards? Is this so bias that jwong can't say, oh I made a mistake here or I shouldn't have done that there, etc? I'm not hating but if you're going to show matches about Makoto or any low tier character they need to show them all. Not just the ones where the American team wins.
So this came down to lack of matchup knowledge for gamerbee. Why is this interesting? What was actually interesting was gamerbee's defeat of justin's makoto despite the lack of matchup experience.
@bananainsaneface: Brilliant deduction. Too bad it's completely false. Google it--I just hope that isn't beyond your capabilities.
@BADerRules: They did... three times.
@Ex_Ein: Don't bother. The guy has been banned from here numerous times, but he longs so much to be heard that he just mentally and physically cannot pull himself away. He's likely a loner that has little other means of communicating with others. By responding to him, you're only justifying his staying here.
@PzychoNimz: Sir, you do not belong here. The second half of your post contains logic, and here, that is frowned upon--greatly. The scrubknights here are only concerned with fighting for their overseas sensations. They don't understand how difficult it is to have even two characters that you can compete with at a tournament level--much less eight as someone like Justin has. The fact of the matter is that this game does have bad match-ups, and unless you play as a shoto, a character-lock tournament can make it very difficult for even a pro-level player to win in a great many. With people allowed to change, we (as you said) get more dynamic matches. But, as I've said on this site for ages, these people really don't care whatsoever about Street Fighter. All they want is their senseless devotion to foreign players to be rewarded and seemingly justified.
@SpicyBurrito: Or maybe the fact that Justin won against GamerBee's rather adaptable main with a character that's about eight on his (Justin's) depth chart? Let's face it--Adon's game isn't something that has to be changed on a case-by-case basis. To me, none of this even matters because both players are great and top of the line. They gave us a great match; what more do you want? Daigo to tag in mid-way? I've never seen the confirmation bias that's so prevalent amongst you lot anywhere else.
To those of you that can't think for yourselves and instead go with the mob mentality so often (I know, it's convenient to not use what little brain power you do possess), read Power_to_the_Gamers's post. Because searching may be too taxing for you, here's a link:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/oc...
One day, you all will mature out of this idol-worshiping phase. You may even be able to focus on positive aspects of the community instead of continually reducing it to something far, far worse than any other game-centric community out there. All you do is demean and insult people you have never met and never, ever will--for what? Because they're a threat to your favorite foreign players at Street Fighter? It's senseless and it's the reason that terms like "stream monster" have become so commonplace. I realize young teenagers (as virtually all of the perpetual haters here are) need a means of releasing their angst, but doing so in such a hate-filled fashion is not how most go about it--and for good reason.
Stay angry, kids.
@Mourne your deduction that character locked tournaments will deprive us of dynamic matches has absolutely no factual basis as results of various current and past tournaments prove. That's an outright lie and you're lumping yourself with the same blind fanboys you claim to so despise.
Furthermore, your deduction that gamerbee somehow held an advantage because of Adon's supposed straightforward play compared to Justin 'depth' chart is a disservice to gamerbee and the work it takes to bring a mid tier character like Adon to tournament level.
You sir are a hypocrite . Trying to lump Adon into some kind of unchanging shoto archetype for the sake of glorifying Justin's accomplishments reeks of bias.
I remain firm that Justin's initial win was due to a lack of matchup knowledge on gamerbee's behalf and that it is undeserving of a highlight reel. There's nothing dynamic about justin's win.
This American inferiority complex with foreign players is exactly the reason they take our money at every major. The community needs to spend more time analyzing its faults in comparison with the more successful foreign communities instead of defending it's obviously flawed approach to these games.
What purpose does it serve for you to defend Justin against the posters on Eventhubs? According to you, these people are hopeless, correct? Your long winded oath to Justin and the American playstyle reeks more of insecurity than reason.
Yes, yes. Blind fanboys. The people who want to see players play the best matches they can that don't just involve the same old characters. Bravo with that "deduction". I'm sure you'll be up for an investigative position in no time. Some of us actually care about the development of the community; when someone like GamerBee uses Adon or Justin uses Makoto, they prove that the tier lists are not as concrete as they seem to some. As a result, we have more players picking them up and realizing there's a much more fulfilling game experience to be had than what they originally envisioned. To a weeaboo such as yourself, I can see how this escaped you.
By the way, do you know the difference between induction and deduction? Clearly, you do not.
Moving on: Your post contains three different logical fallacies. Even for this site, that's a record. Your ability to assimilate information seems to be as lacking as does your capability to avoid integrating logical fallacies into your statements. I never implied that Adon was anything like shoto characters--it was in fact the complete opposite. What I said was that Adon players do not have to resort to counter-strategies because there is no need. Adon is a dynamic character in and of himself that allows for a preset playstyle to prevail no matter the matchup. Of course, I didn't expect you to extrapolate that information from the post. Hopefully my spelling it out will be of assistance to you. There is always a dynamic environment when players are able to play to their strengths and fully utilize their depth chart--it's not unlike you to not see it given how invested you are in loving the Japanese players and hating virtually all others, but I am glad to be the one to introduce you.
I do not aim to "defend Justin" or "defend" anyone specifically other than those targeted for hate on no reasonable basis. I continually tell people to stop focusing on being so negative and instead embrace the positive aspects of the community. The fact you take issue with this and even took my post as "defending Justin" says far, far more about you than it does me. I have "defended" Daigo on many occasions, including when he lost at Seasons Beatings and expressed displeasure at the "USA, USA" chants. But, confirmation bias is almost a prerequisite here for users such as yourself.
If you would take the time to actually read instead of making it a you vs. anyone-who-isn't-being-outwardly-hateful-toward-a-certain-group, you would understand that not everyone is so immature. I can understand your wanting more people to emulate Japanese players given how invested your affection for them seems to be, but that is far from what most of us are after. We mostly just want good matches between good players executing well and pushing what we know about the game--their nationality, race, and age simply don't matter.
In short: All I defend here is basic reason and humility. That, it seems, is far above many of the users here.
I love HD Remix online for the simple fact that it hides your character choice until the match begins. MvC2 online I constantly find opponents waiting until I pick to make their choice.
I guess hiding choices would be impossible in person unless you knew where the cursor started and were confident you made the right selection.
@ Scott610
they have blind pick options at tournaments. What they do is, if you ask for a blind pick, you have to whisper to them, or write down your characters/assists types. then, your opponent will choose their characters/assist types, and you then select the characters and assists that were written down. I believe thats how they do it at EVO and i think they follow suit elsewhere as well. hope that helps.
@ Mourne
I think youre wasting your time man. I know it hurts trying to explain things to brick walls, and that if you could just get through to them maybe they'd straighten up, but i personally have given up after my last post regarding these 'teams' people have created. I think we would all do better to just watch the videos, and get our updates. Although stepping aside wont fix it, so what the heck do I know lol
Most of you who are complaining didn't actually watch this tournament when it happened in person OR the stream, that's why you don't understand why they picked this specific match as their episode.
Yes, Justin Wong lost to Gamerbee. Gamerbee is a hell of a player and he beat Justin, nobody denies that. I admire both players skill.
However, the excitement during this match was REALLY high at the tournament. Everyone wanted to see a legitimate Justin vs Gamerbee rematch since EVO. Justin beating him with Makoto and sending him to losers bracket was incredibly exciting! Most people didn't think it was going to go down like that, even though Gamerbee came back and beat him in losers later, this was the exciting match. I'd say this match and Marn's match vs Daigo were probably the two most hype matches at Seasons Beatings.
Basically, they didn't just do it to show Justin winning. They did it because it was a pretty big upset to see Gamerbee get sent to losers that match by Makoto, that's all. (And like others said, they acknowledge it about 2-3 times in the Episode that Gamerbee came back and beat him after Justin got sent to losers, so nobody is sending any false messages in the video either.)
@AxlRed37
Thanks. I didn't even consider that as an option for some reason. Is that used for SF4 as well, or not given people in this thread complaining that Wong was counter picking characters? Why wouldn't you ask for blind picks every match, unless that's seen as a chicken thing to do. Whoever picks second would be at an obvious disadvantage given equal skill levels.
@scott 610
i believe it only applies to the first match you play. if im not mistaken, once you win a game, youre locked with that character. for example: say you start the tournament, and you pick ryu, and your opponent picks dan. if you win he can switch. I BELIEVE thats how they do things in the bigger tournaments. but at the beginning when youre first seated, you can request blind pick. can someone confirm this for me? i dont wanna be giving false info lol
@Mourne
Man you are not wasting your time like some other dude said up there. I wish like you with another kind of community, more mature and focused in the things that matters, not in hating, making a god the one who wins while bashing the loser or viceversa.
People complaining about the episode not showing Justin losing the next match, I AGREE, but not because the fact that JUSTIN lose, I want to see WHY and HOW it happened. The strategy that GamerBee followed or Justin's response. It would be the best if Cross Counter balance the learning experience with the entertainment.
As far it goes, I love this show! Is like something I dreamed as a kid, pros commenting the most high leveled matches. And all thanks to people who really wants to improve, make the difference... I mean, how much money you thing Gootecks or Mike Ross are paid for this? Its just the passion for the game and the hope to create a great community.
@ Mourne
I want your kids. Well, probably not physically possible, but you know... :P
And you are eternally right. In all its simplicity, the hate just gotta stop. Postive criticism/feedback is always great and appreciated, even by the best of the best, but the mindless hate doesn't belong here.
I come from Denmark, where the SF community is pretty small, and this has the advantage of no hate. We're like this small group of people just trying to up our own game before even thinking about being better than others. We LEARN from the others. (At least, I hope my fellow peers try to, as do I. :D)
And that is really how it should be. Nothing wrong with some friendly competition, but the end goal, and for that sake, the initial pull of it, should be the wanting for getting better, for the sake of being a better player, and not for the sake of beating others. (Although, that comes naturally due to the games nature. xD)
Wall of text, and sorry for that, but hey... You'll forgive me. ;) Right? :O
Street fighter is now an official sport: reason being that the actual players, while occasionally showboating and trash-talking, are by and large reasonable hard-working people who respect one another as one player to another. The fans, on the other hand, are rabid mongrels ready to enact the street fights in real life in order to prove their preferred player's superiority. Never change, street fighter. Never change.
P.S. Gamerbee is a very good player. Justin Wong is a very good player. Justin won with Makoto because of poor matchup knowledge, which was quickly remedied. He admits that it was a counter-pick of sorts himself in the video, and that he was counting on poor matchup knowledge. Nevertheless, this was high level Makoto play. As someone who enjoys seeing high level play of all the characters, especially those who don't get quite as much spotlight (dictionary definition Adon and Makoto) I enjoyed this, and hope they will do the follow up match in the future.
How to beat your friends......I need more of that in X Counter.