30Ninjas.com posted a new interview with Seth Killian today where they talk about Marvel vs. Capcom 3. AD: There have been some complaints about the lack of other Ansatsuken characters such as Ken, Akuma, and Dan. Are you trying to limit your character selection process to only a few characters per franchise like Tatsunoko VS Capcom did?
SK: I don’t think there was any conscious effort to limit certain franchises, but it’s great for character style diversity to reach out to a lot of different games, especially with characters that have never been in a fighting game before. There are important differences between Ken, Dan, Akuma, and Ryu in, say, a Street Fighter game, but in the over-the-top Marvel context, those subtle differences tend to get overshadowed so it’s usually more fun to bring in someone with a totally different style.
AD: The E3 build of the game featured a universal double jump and air dash. This was taken out of the EVO build. Why is that? Does this make any characters more susceptible to projectile or assist spam?
SK: It’s just a natural part of the game’s evolution–some characters have more mobility than others. This was a very conscious choice, and we want everyone to have unique strengths. Usually the ones that are less mobile have more nasty tricks up close, so when they do get inside, you’re really in trouble. The more mobile characters often have lower health, so they have to avoid trading blows to win, but overall every character has a unique “sweet spot” where they’re most effective.
Submitted by Mr_Pavy.
It's pretty much tradition to have the three together though (Akuma, Ryu, and Ken). With the exception of MVC1 (with Ken and Akuma modes for Ryu instead) TVC was the first game to break this tradition correct me if I'm wrong.
I really want Akuma in too. >:-(
Nice range of characters even though the only characters I care about are on the marvel side since there is no JIN COMING BACK ERRRRRRRRRRRRR
MVC3 must have akuma! dannte replacing ken but come on they added f^ck!ng chun li add the RAGING DEMON!!!!
Dan was the classical joke character out of all in every single vs game. But hey if they took out Shuma-Gorath Cyclops and Venom It's only fair,lol.
But out of all the shotos in the vs. games it's without a doubt Ken was the most fun to use. Would love to see Deadpool vs. Dan though...*Sigh*...or Wesker vs Akuma...*Sniffle*
Well to be fair Chun-Li is like the female version of Ryu... She has to be in just about anything major fighting game wise if Ryu is there.. And I mean even though its too soon to tell.. There is always a chance for DLC. I mean if they really care about the opinion of the buyer.. And if money is a sure thing... Ken and Akuma and many others that wont make it on disc will make it down the road...
well damn, I guess that kills my dream of Dan/Deadpool/Agent Bob of HYDRA
I want Rival School/Project Justice characters in it!
Batsu and Shoma would be beast!!
Why do so many people want clones of the same character?
@#15
Yes Finally some one else who wants Juri Han in this game! You are the man man.
Also people, PLZ do some research before you ask for chacters! t was also stated that Daredevil, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider, Punisher, Gene (from God Hand), Phoenix Wright (from Ace Attorney), and characters from Power Stone and Rival Schools will not be playable, but it is possible that they will make stage cameo appearances. Recently, it was confirmed that Doctor Strange and Cyclops will not be playable. Megaman X was confirmed to be absent at the Penny Arcade Expo.
Also due too copyright problems, Strider Hiryu will not be in this game so stop asking!
@21
I guess as a consolation for Phoenix Wright not being in MvC3, they're giving him his own entirely separate Vs. game.
I'm dead serious.
we f**king need some Power Stone and Rival Schools characters, we need some childhood memories in this bi**h.
@19
idk mayb thy like ken or akuma much more thn boring ass ryu was really hoping 4 ken i think he would b much more fun to play and hes flashy which is y ken is my fave character. still hoping thy hav xtra time and put him in UNTIL IT SAIS OFFICIALLY!!!!!!!!!
(Why no Dan...
PROFOUND SADNESS!
I hope they don't deconfirm Hakan...I know it's not likely he'll be in, but I'd rather see for myself ><
BTW, Phoenix Wright is getting his own VS game w/ Professor Layton, so keep asking for him as a DLC character!)
Well Seth from SSF4 would be great,because he plays way different, but some what feels like a shoto. But to me he's comparable to Super Skrull, why, because they both use other people's powers. You see, you can get Guile, Ken, Zangief, and Dhalism, with one character!lol
Just put in Quick Change Ryu, from MvC 1..
I want Akuma in, I want him in more than any other Capcom character besides Lilith, Bass, Zero, and Mega Man X... But, seriously, add Quick Change Ryu... Have him have what he has, and add in some more Supers. Lets say, db db attack 1 + 1 hyper bar = Ken, and db db attack 1 + 3 + 2 hyper bars = Akuma/Evil Ryu... That would be fine imo.
In all everyone wins, and we don't have to perpetually waste 3 character slots.
**** Dan and Sean... They don't need to be in MvC 3... They're great characters, but they don't need to be in.
they could just go 1 step further with ryu's mode change and actually change the model to ken, akuma, dan, hugo? maybe
Nice no shotos... Bring in the grapplers...Zangief,El fuerte, R-mika,E-honda.....I really want to see el fuerte and zangief mostly..Wheres onimusha and Megaman????
As much as I hate to say it, being an Akuma fan, if they are considering DLC characters it's better for them to put less well known characters in the game then have DLC characters like Akuma, Sakura, etc. Rather than put them in the game and have like Amaterasu and MODOK as DLC characters, cause shotos and other popular clones are instant buys.
@23
I agree, Complete Change was a good to use Ken and Akuma's without having them fill the roster. Sucks though X23 already made the roster and won't be taken out due to her models already been made. Oh well, I'll just play twice as hard and start taunting to discourage my opponents from ever using her again.
I Want Juri and Sakura In This Game
Juri - Became Extremly Popular Since SSFIV
She Has A Unique Style,Look,Personality and Shes Fun To Use
Sakura - A Crossover Game Wouldnt Be The Same Without Her I dont Know Why
In the way she does her moves are more unique than ryu's her hyper speicals were differnt she was the only person that could shoot up and she has alot of personality
@51
Based on this http://www.londonexpo.com/news/127-ca...
I would say 29th, but I have a feeling this was just poorly worded.
if that was the case...then why did they put that other wolverine knockoff b1tch in there?
YES! I'm certainly glad to hear this news & not giving in to the shoto fanboys. Even though I also liked the other shotos, there needs to be more variety/diversity in this game. There are TONS of other SF characters out there that are more deserving to be in this game other than Ken/Akuma/Sakura/Dan, if there's going to be 1 or 2 more later on as DLC.
@23, 36, 39, 41, 47, & 49: Quick Change Ryu isn't happening. If it were to happen, it would take up a lot of memory to have 3 different models and attack animations on one character, plus it's not true to Ryu's character. Not to mention that they're not going to have too many transforming characters in this game because it'll take more space, etc. If they're going to design all new move animations and hitboxes, they might as well just make them separate characters. So get over it & stop whining.
@3: Not just MvC 1 & TvC; Capcom Fighting Jam (Evolution) didn't have Ken or Akuma, either.
I'm in agreement for diversity and all, but I don't think omiting Akuma and Ken is such a good idea. This could cause a bit of backlash especially after they're exclusion in the TvC game. I know there are plenty of people out there who would rather have Ken or Akuma over Ryu and I'm in agreement with them especially in the case of Akuma who is easily the most versatile out of the 2, but most likely they'll replace him for evil Ryu. Still, Ryu took the spot in TvC.
@57
Because I was whining about Ryu not being quick change?
Seriously?
I see why people hate this community, you all are trolls.
it's called having an opinion, not whining.
People want Ken, and Akuma...
I just put my input on it.
Don't lash out at the people who have ideas because you're a little bitch who only wants what YOU want.
Don't lash out at those thinking for the community.
keep being a selfish prick.
On a side note, I haven't been following much of MvC3, just not really feeling the character roster or the comic look, but has there been any mention of Vega or Guile/Charlie yet? cuz as much I like Dante and Spidey, them alone aren't gonna sway me. I'm actually look forward to SSF4's possible character DLC, SF3 online and SFxTK much more.
This is a good call. We dont need variations of ryu when we can have a something new. I rather have something like gutsman or nemisis then have a bunch of ryu clones in.
@61: Awww, are you mad? LOL. I'm not "lashing out" at anyone, nor am I being a "selfish prick." What I'm speaking is the truth,
I'm saying that it's ridiculous to have Ryu mimicking other characters, plus I gave out the reality of why it won't be happen. It gets old hearing it over & over again from everyone who keeps saying "Why no Ken, Akuma, Dan, & Sakura?", or "Why not just have Quick Change Ryu?" This is Marvel Vs. CAPCOM 3, not Marvel Vs. Street Fighter.
If you don't like what I say, take your ass elsewhere, you stupid, ignorant moron.
@57
It wouldnt take alot of memory, dont be stupid. One model with 2 extra setups of moves/super. That SAVES memory, not like memory is a big problem anyway. If we could have 50 something different fighters in mvc2 10 years ago im sure we will have enough memory for whatever we get for mvc3.
and why the hell did they add felica and morrigan is the fan base that BIG!!!! they will be a rare sight online and off.
viper and bison are the only sf characters left that need to be in this game, assuming mike hagger replaces zangief in this game to represent final fight....
Loghorn, you fail.
Seriously? You think Quick Change Ryu would take up too much space? Are you mentally ill? Space is not an issue. If Dante can have 50 moves, Ryu can have 3 moves sets and a color changing pallete. Of which STILL wouldn't take that much memory. Adding a different property to his Tatsu, Hadou, and Shoryu would take nothing more than simple insignificant space and coding. The only thing that would be different in space consumption are his Hyper Combos, that would be the only distinction in space, of which STILL wouldn't be that much space.
You ever heard of MUGEN? MvC 1 Ryu is literally under a MGB of space..... How come is that? By your logic he should be OMG SUPER HUGE IN SPACE!
Who cares that this is 3-d, this game isn't going to consume that much space. The graphics are super hyper real or anything, it's not like everything has it's own distinct property, NO.
Bring space up again, and i'll ignore you, because you don't know what you're talking about.
When capcom talks space, it's nothing more than their scapegoat to being lazy.
The space issue with the Darkstalkers characters is a lie, it's capcom being too damn lazy and not wanting to animate the transformations. Either that, or Marvel had a problem with the Midnight Bliss.
end of story
This is next gen... MvC 2 had what 56 characters?
Oh and further more to your moot points.
You're mad that, it's not true to Ryu?
This is a MARVEL game.... The Capcom characters are going to be a little crazy.
Man you're going to bitch up a storm seeing Ryu juggle like it's a damn circus in Tekken x Street fighter... is that true to Ryu? Nope... BUT it's a TEKKEN game, just like this is a MARVEL game.
quit being an elitist little prick.
Good. Now we can have the shoto spots replaced with interesting characters.
@Scorpion
3-D models actually do take significantly more space and memory than sprites. So they can't exactly afford to have 56 characters like MvC2 did, especially if they want their game to be stable; remember, MvC2's coding was being held together by a strand of thread. It was a buggy and broken mess that people just happened to enjoy.
Having three different version of the same character is useless anyway. Like Seth said, in the VS environment, Ken and Akuma's differences are almost completely non-existent. Not to mention that we already have two shotoclones other than Ryu: Morrigan and Captain America. But at least they have significant differences from Ryu. Morrigan has her flying airdash, a command grab, aim her fireball up, and has no hurricane kick. Captain America's fireball returns to him, he has a charging move instead of a hurricane kick, and he also has that command roll. Not to mention that all 3 have different Hypers.
The only differences Ken and Akuma have with Ryu is that their hurricane kicks and Shoryukens hit multiple times, and Akuma has an air fireball (which Morrigan already has) and dive kick (which Wolverine has, although he's not a Shoto). And Ryu already has Ken's version of the hurricane kick anyway in the Vs. games.
To add those two characters or even Quick Change Ryu would be a colossal waste of space that could easily have used for two other characters. They simply don't have enough differences in this environment to stand out as individuals.
(Lol @ people who think Juri has a unique personality...
BTW Seth is only hinting at what he said earlier, they don't want 'too similar characters', and let's face it:
Almost all shotos went to the same school, and share the same three moves. I want Dan in as much as the next guy, but I believe in Capcom to do something unique...and hopefully balanced, heh.
I just hope Ryu being in all versus games doesn't ALWAYS mean all other shotos can't be in now.)
Well, im not exactly the biggest fan of shotos, but i believe akuma and ken needs to get a spot, the others can go F*ck them selves, cept for Sakura ;), Ken is like a completely different ryu, him and ryu aren't exactly the same, akuma has those divekicks a teleports soo, oh, and I want C.Viper!! :P
First, akuma, ken, ryu and dan are very diferente, if capcom want to do them these way.
Second, don't be innocent, the most part of these characters will be added by DLC.
This negations is a strategy from capcom. In the end, we probably seeing all these character in game.
And by end, why Seth said this? if game have 2 characters from DMC, little similar, and Wolverine and X-23, very very similar. Don't make sense.
Thank you seth and capcom team. Thanks for not putting those guys in. Now I don't have look at the derogatory comments and I want Evil Ryu comments anymore. yes!!!!! ^_^
I would say add Akuma to the list but that would be it. Akuma makes it in due to the supernatural powers/presence that he gives off. You dont need Ken, sean or dan... it would be a waste of a spot imho. And yes pax Holocaust would be an awesome addition..... what about the new vanquish character??
Bad argument Seth. If that is REALLY the case then kick out 23 :3 unless you then also consider Sakura diverse enough(to be fair she doesn't work the same as the other shotos though)
I want Akuma in this game. How can you only put Ryu in the game? Yeah I understand that he's like the head street fighter guy, but he's the most boring shoto. Why the hell wouldn't they put Akuma nd Ken in the game?
If they wanna try "different styles" put in GOUKEN, atleast he's a shoto plays diff from a shoto. (and he's badass unlike modok)
Wolverine doesn't have command hop based gameplay like X 23 has shown and trish is a keepaway/trap character very different from Dante's rushdown. The only characters so far that even come close to clones so far are Morrigan/Ryu/Captain America. Shotots end up being very similar in versus series is what Killian said and you know what he is spot on. As for Akuma instead of Ryu raging demon and demon flips are not super useful in crossover games (of the marvel variety) the teleport might be ok but would be suceptible to hyper beams anyway Ryu has a lot more combo potential kind of like Tatsunoko which not enough people played to understand that Ryu can be a little interesting. Either way it is good to see diversity is more important to Capcom than characters that "need to be in or I won't enjoy the game because I really just want to play MvC2".
meahh... Akuma > Ken > Ryu. would be nice to see one of them instead of Ryu for a change.
#94 :/ FUN TIME! If we are going with the one difference of X-23 being more air based and the Trish does trap(vs being ground and rush respectively) then that argument works for the three you picked as "clones" Morrigan's uppercut goes up and forward as well as firing shots in midair vertically(fireballs are also wider then hadokens).then she has the fly into the air downward kick(I doubt Ryu suddenly got this and I doubt Capt has it.) Captain america's projectile has a boomer rang effect and can be knocked out of his hand preventing more attacks(it's also smaller then hadoukens). As well as a rush attack(also his sheild fires in different directions depending on light or hard punch.) Ryu can fire projectiles at a faster rate and his upercut goes vertical. Now if you want me to do Ken Akuma(who could be very simalur ro Morrigan) Dan and Sakura I will. The reason people are calling Ryu "boring" is not because of his combos. It has to do with his personality as a character. Some people find him uninteresting(I am fine with him)
Damn,no Ken!? I wish they would include Dudley then..my other main.
@101 they going what the fans want but they only going by there copy rights to companies and there team suggestions. The characters have been pre design since july and they already have there roster. Ken plays just like Ryu but ken just have different elements then ryu, same goes for akuma. Pretty much same fight style.
@ Assy02
np I c ur point
most people still call him a joke because they still live in Alpha times.
He was a joke in certain games but NOT SSF4 his moves are quick and powerful and he has unique properties that confuse most players.
Dan in SSF4 is mos def NOT a joke!
He's a comedy character like that guy in Japan only MvC1
but a REAL joke is Servbot or Roll in MvC2. They were barely playable!
Roll in TvC...MUCH better! That version of Roll is NO JOKE!
What you people don't seem to understand is Quick Change Ryu space =/= 3 Character slots space.
IF DANTE CAN HAVE 50 MOVES!! FIFTY, FREAKING, MOVES.... WE CAN HAVE QUICK CHANGE RYU.
You're people are dense, I am not going to reiterate the same damn things. I know what I am talking about... Giving Ryu the quick change ability won't take up significant amounts of space to where 2 character slots in addition would have to be cut, if so, you better get Dante the hell out cause he's taking a lot more than 2 slots with his 50 MOVES!
@107 What the hell did you just say? literally?
People have to remember that this is marvel vs capcom 3 not marvel vs street fighter 3. Theres no point to puting in 50 shotos like they did with sf4 when we have other franchises to choose from. As it stands now the only other street fighter characters that i could see makeing the game might be bison(since hes a main villain) and MAYBE cammy(she was in most of the versus games) or c viper(she would do well). I doubt we will get many more def not shotos.
@Scorpion
Are you really that much of a Shotoclone fanboy that you're willing to drop all logic and reason just so you can keep arguing?
It's the 3-D model itself that takes up the majority of the memory. Animating it afterwards is fairly simple. Hence why giving Dante 40+ moves takes less resources than adding 2 entirely new characters. Who won't really make that much of an impact anyway because they are just copies of another character.
If you still want to talk, why don't you explain to me just how Ken and Akuma would differ from Ryu in a VS type environment. Go on. I'll be waiting.
I really could care less about this VS. series now. I say this because the best Vs game is easily, Professor Layton Vs. Phoenix Wright (real game). well this just shows us why Phoenix is not in MVC 3 hes going to be in a much better game.
This is great news from Seth; the man simply knows what he's talking about. This is almost as good as revealing new characters because now we know for sure that there are still a good amount of spots that will not be wasted with redundant characters. Most of the people who want more shotos in the game suck at fighting games anyway, so it's not as if their opinions matter in this situation. But hey, at least they're not as foolish as the people who keep persisting that Phoenix Wright somehow deserves to be in this game.
Wouldnt be surprised if they put Akuma in..... If so u gotta put in Zangief or Elfuerte against all those shoto look alikes and wannabees....I would like Gouken more then Akuma...ENOUGH WITH THE SHOTOS...Gouken is nothing like those other shotos.....Would be the first to see in a mvc game... especially el fuerte,
STREET FIGHTER----ZANGIEF-EL FUERTE-CVIP-BISON....maybe Rufus....... That should do for mvc3s roster. Now for some omnimusha characters and power stone.Mega man is a must.
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Is it too late to ask Capcom to put Quick Change Ryu in the game? I mean, they already have Dante in there with 50 moves. I'm not talking online petitions that do nothing I'm talking just asking them directly.
Next time there's an interview ask about Quick Change Ryu. QCR makes perfect sense for a Vs. game. Bring him back! Seriously, there's enough time to get it done, right?
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MY DREAMTEAM------------ SPIDEY-EL FUERTE-and of course Jacques Blanc french military officer from Demon Siege Onimusha 3....YES EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!
(Dan is always a good character, he's Dan Tier after all.)
@112 THANKS U..ur giving me hope lol cammy its my fav FAV char in street fighter...
I think that seth its right about shoto characters they are pretty great and different in st games but in vs games they fell like the same character with some other moves.
...Im hoping for jill valentine she was kinda cool in mvsc2 still in re 5 she kicks some butts lol so maybe is she in the game she will got a whole new set of moves.
this games needs more females lol
Diversity is what's on the menu. This game's gonna be like a buffet. I like the menu so far. Lots of new stuff. Also I belive its time to move away from the QCR & akuma/ken stuff. Tbh its old so let's talk about somethin else. Hey how bout that Wesker & Dante? Good stuff huh?
@121: If you read post numbers 57, 78, & 114, like myself & Froggyman explained, you'll see why it won't be happening.
Plus to all the shoto fanboys, do you HONESTLY believe for a second that they're going to put in either Ken, Akuma, Sakura, or Dan for a 3rd SF rep when they can put in characters such as Zangief/Alex/Hugo for a grappler (if Mike Haggar somehow doesn't make it), or Crimson Viper as a possible Captain Commando replacement (if Captain Commando himself doesn't make it in), or someone like M.Bison/Gill for another Capcom villain to better represent SF along with the staple characters, Ryu & Chun-Li?
Get serious.
Personally im happy just by getting Ryu, i mean l play the character since SF II and not because he is the "Street Fighter guy" like some say but because he gives me the sense of good old school strong martial artist. Having said this i believe that Capcom is making a mistake by not putting in Ken and Akuma. I mean Ken is always a good partner with Ryu and Akuma will always be there best rival. Also most people prefer shotos because just by looking at them you kind of understand that are some of the best characters in any game. So i hope they at least put Akuma in the game. That character, i dont know why but everytime i pick him im like "I wanna DESTROY my challenger" but with Ryu im like "Time for some good old combos". Akuma should be in just for those feelings and any true SF fan knows what im talking about
@129
>Implying Quick Change Ryu would require a new Character models.
>Implying color changing requires new character models.
LOL @ you talking as if you're any time of authority on the subject or even know what you're talking about. Hahaha!
You don't know how this stuff works, do you? It would mostly require additional animations. Animations are small. That's the reason why Dante has so many moves. It's the one model with a bunch of animations. You you knew what you were talking about you would understand this.
Your entire arguement is "Durp, new models required" when they're not even necessary. Quick change Ryu just changed colors.
Why isn't quick change Ryu in the game? Simple. THEY FORGOT HE EXISTS. That's it'.
Please, you don't understand how 3D games work. Do your research and THEN you can start talking about it.
LOL, he really thinks he knows what he's talking about! Hahahahahaha!
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@131: Fail. That's not the way how it works, buddy boy. Froggyman has already explained about how it works, & it involves more than just "changing colors." Plus 3D animations aren't as small as you may think. Quick Change Ryu IS NOT. GETTING. IN. THIS. GAME. Get over it.
Hey,
Angelo here, the guy who did the interview. I've been checking out some of the sites and conversations about the interview, and a lot of stuff comes up about quick change Ryu. Well, I just feel that it's worth it to note that I did in fact ask Seth about quick-change Ryu. However, that was one of the questions that he declined to answer.
Maybe this was because there was some merit to the idea, and maybe this was becuase the question was just so unfathomably stupid it didn't warrant an answer. Either way, take it as you will.
Wow seth didnt said that the shotos were OUT, he said that he wanted more diverse gameplay,that doesnt mean we aren't gonna see ken or akuma (because dan,sakura,sean and gouken aren't as famous as the other 2), maybe we wont see the awesome shoto team together(ken,ryu,akuma) but hopefully we will see another one,hopefully akuma... i mean come on everyone(just saying) loves him, he is badass, he is awesome,he is powerful and his personality its da bomb.And seriously MVC 3 looks to awesome to not have Shun goku satsu and some satsui no hado action,so i hope akuma makes it.
@138: Give it up, man...they're not making it in. If anything, characters such as Mega Man, Frank West, M. Bison, Crimson Viper, Strider, Mike Haggar, Hsien-Ko, & Zero have a much higher chance of making it into this game than any of the other four shotos.
@139: I know, i know, btw hsien-ko as already been deconfirmed,but i will not stop whining that i want akuma in until seth killian says: "Sorry guys no akuma for Mvc 3" i only want akuma, i dont care about the other ones, but yeah seth didnt said that they were out, so i still have hope.
LOL @ Loghorn implying animations take up terabytes of space.
LOL @ Loghorn implying color change as this super complicated process. (I bet he thinks changing the color on his monitor requires expensive cpomplicated CPUs or something.)
Stay salty my friends.
I WANT AKUMA!