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GiPie's El Fuerte against Daigo and GamerBee

Posted by Catalyst
October 13, 2010 at 12:58 a.m. PDT
Taiwan's GiPie had some entertaining SSF4 matches against Daigo Umehara and GamerBee online. GiPie plays a very active and in your face El Fuerte in the clips below, but is also competitive against two terrific players.

In all fairness, GiPie a lot to these two players, but this footage shows a bit more of the potential of El Fuerte.

Thanks to Sloppey and Sio Nchen for the videos.

Comments

ChiquitaLuchador said on October 13, 2010 at 1:16 a.m.

Daigo seemed like he was messin around in the first vid... :P

#1
Rose said on October 13, 2010 at 1:20 a.m.

But who won the match in the third video??

Curiously Yours,
Rose

#2
Oroku_Saki said on October 13, 2010 at 1:21 a.m.

There are some awesome El Fuerte videos in 0ShinAkuma0's Youtube channel. The whole channel has awesome videos ^_^
Oh, and Wildcat815 has an EXCELLENT Hakan fyi.

#3
Jakulagi said on October 13, 2010 at 1:25 a.m.

Very nice, El Fuerte.. the only way an El Fuerte can be this good is with great execution, and an awesome mind game..

#4
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 1:28 a.m.

WHen u see the best ryu out there mashing dps like ur average xboxlive/psn ryu then u know there is a problem with the shortcut system.

#5
SmexyMillz said on October 13, 2010 at 1:28 a.m.

LOL Daigo mash that dp.. love how his fanboys make excuses when he loses.. that fuerte was sick

#6
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 1:34 a.m.

@7

Elf is all about mind games and tricks, hes hard to win constantly with because of it but at the same time he is one of the more interesting characters in the game. But ur average players shares ur view that hes annoying with a horrible design so he will eventually get nerfed just like blanka.

#7
RedRum6x3 said on October 13, 2010 at 1:35 a.m.

@ #4

I agree very good mind games. It almost seems like he frustrated Daigo. It's not like him to continue a combo string when it gets blocked...I know, Daigo...frustrated?? It almost looked like it.

#8
Lolento said on October 13, 2010 at 1:50 a.m.

What does mashing DPs have to do with "shortcuts", again? Mashing DPs is about large reversal window and excessively good reversals. Ease of executing the command is fairly minor compared to these two.

#9
Catalyst said on October 13, 2010 at 1:52 a.m.

@Oroku_Saki

Just piggybacking on what you said. If you don't already subscribe to 0ShinAkuma0's YouTube channel, you're missing out. Great videos posted there all of the time. Here's a link.

http://www.youtube.com/user/0ShinAkuma0

Highly recommended, I link videos from 0ShinAkuma0 on the front page of the site all of the time.

#10
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 1:56 a.m.

@mark morrison

Hes a lucha libre wrestler, look it up. High flying flashy moves is makes perfect sense for what hes supposed to be. The chef thing is just a side thing for jokes.

Blanka is has been nerfed since ww(i think the only games he was high tier in were hyper fighting and cvs2) for the same reason that elf will prob get hit. Hes annoying, i hate fighting him, hes tricks are cheap etc. Because lets face it, if u cant mash low forward with ryu and shut down everything it needs to be nerfed LOL.

#11
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 2:02 a.m.

@12

put on turbo, or any other sf game and try to mash out some dps. U can have perfect execution and super fast hands and u still wont get as many dp inputs as u can when u simply mash the corners and mash the buttons. The other things u mentioned just make it ALOT worst, and lets not forget the auto guard.

#12
jhayze said on October 13, 2010 at 2:13 a.m.

that GiPie is really good but imo TKD is still much better elfuerte player

#13
LegendaryDietCoke said on October 13, 2010 at 2:32 a.m.

awesome fuerte

#14
Grimmjow316 said on October 13, 2010 at 2:45 a.m.

God those five running stop fierces in a row were scary would hate to face his Fuerte.

When all else fails you mash it out

#15
Mourne said on October 13, 2010 at 2:46 a.m.

@ChiquitaLuchador: "Daigo seemed like he was messin around in the first vid... :P" That line was inevitable. Glad we got it out of the way early.

I'm just glad even Daigo didn't have a definitive answer for that, because it at least half justifies my losing to it against skilled Fuerte players as well. It's annoying as hell to deal with, but kudos to the Fuerte players who have mastered that routine.

#16
EnkiduV3 said on October 13, 2010 at 3:22 a.m.

One common theme in Daigo's loses: Elf's Ultra 2. That thing does so much damage that it literally secured the win from the brink of death more than once. The odd part was it connecting on a Hurricane Kick one time, then whiffing another. Not D-riding Daigo or anything, cuz the mix-ups were there. Just making an observation that the matches against Daigo weren't blow outs. Without Ultra 2, I'd wager that GiPie would have lost both of those matches for sure.

#17
Mr_Clack said on October 13, 2010 at 3:35 a.m.

Capcom offices discussing the SRK.

OK...about the Shoryuken
Let's make it one the fastest attacks in the game.
Let's make it so you can juggle off of it.
Let's make it so you can recover from the LightV. fast.
Let's make a LARGE reversal window so people cannot focus the srk off a knockdown
Let's make it so you can hit people with it after certain moves.
Let's make it so users of the SRK dont have to show they are doing it anymore (walking forward)by implementing the shortcut system.
Now they can mash the motion at any angle to get big potential damage.
Let's make it so broken people will say it's a get out jail free card!
(Yeah the more people talking about it, the better!)

#18
MCPhatman said on October 13, 2010 at 3:37 a.m.

Man that 2nd Ultra is so overpowered and easy to hit...

#19
Grimmjow316 said on October 13, 2010 at 3:39 a.m.

@#20 Simple he guessed that he was going for the short hurricane when so he launched it which is why it slide right by as compared to the second in which Daigo was going for the short hurricane into throw. Well most Ultra's can secure the win when the meters full but Gipie is smart at using that ultra and it's damage output which is why he was trying to whittle down his life to where the ultra would finish him off.

P.S. That's like saying Ryu wouldn't be able to take rounds without U1 which is pretty true Ryu always has to hit that damn Ultra.

#20
Grimmjow316 said on October 13, 2010 at 3:41 a.m.

Sorry a couple of mistakes on my post but you get the jist of it.

#21
JrockEclipse said on October 13, 2010 at 3:54 a.m.

Fuerte ultra 2 needs a nerf! nuff said

but he's not the only one.

#22
Aqua said on October 13, 2010 at 4:05 a.m.

Mr_Clack.. are you clovr4lyf? :)))

#23
MatteMetMask said on October 13, 2010 at 4:08 a.m.

insane guy

#24
Arkha said on October 13, 2010 at 4:13 a.m.

I'm not surprise about this Fuerte...

#25
Temo said on October 13, 2010 at 4:47 a.m.

the only way a mexican can win against Daigo.

#26
L45R said on October 13, 2010 at 5:37 a.m.

That is some sick Ultra setup by GiPie...makes Daigo think twice about sweeping him again.

I wish there are more ELF out there that's this good...the little guy had to work so hard

#27
Sakura said on October 13, 2010 at 5:38 a.m.

I hate Fuerte with a passion...he's so free...

it baffles me why he's considered low tier...

#28
RandomJohn said on October 13, 2010 at 5:41 a.m.

Fuerte's U2 is like Abel's U2....takes off so much damage even when rage meter is only half full.

#29
benjee said on October 13, 2010 at 5:47 a.m.

@21:

I'd rather play a srk masher which can be punished than a knee press/dash masher that is safe on every move.

Stop being butthurt

#30
Mr_Clack said on October 13, 2010 at 6:14 a.m.

@ 33 the diverence is Abel's can be held>release/cancelled, has armor, goes 3/4 screen vs. 1/2 screen

Similarities: Both grabs and both fast

Main issue why it should not be nerfed. Elf does not have NEARLY as many tools as the rest of the cast.
Can he mash?
Can he stop in mid-air?
Super Jump?
Teleport?
High Defense/attack
Huge dmg, easy combos?

#31
jhayze said on October 13, 2010 at 6:25 a.m.

imo fuerte's ultra2 is a lil' bit overpowered! 3frames, completely invincible, huge damage, midscreen range! that's why on the AE version its getting nerf'd! u should watch TKD fuerte his more aggressive!

#32
jhayze said on October 13, 2010 at 6:38 a.m.

@#35
the only nerf fuerte gonna recieve from AE is his ultra2! but the fact that his stats (damage,life,etc.) might get nerf'd too! ur reason of complain that he doesnt have any mash, super jump. teleport, etc. is alil' bit too much whining but what do u think does he have that makes him special!?!? he's fast and got a loop combo, resets, trap setups, crazy mind game, a lot of command throws/grabs (no recovery) and an (a lil') overpowered ultra2!

#33
konachin said on October 13, 2010 at 6:44 a.m.

I can tell you the elf dude plays on coke, 100% sure, I do that too, but its diet.

#34
wotnip said on October 13, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.

Oroku_Saki = best name ever!!

#35
LearningFast said on October 13, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.

HECK YEA BABY
I'm glad there are more Elf players out there. I hope to see this guy at some tournaments

#36
Mr_Clack said on October 13, 2010 at 6:56 a.m.

@ 37
Fast? No fast enough! Most people can see it coming.
Loop? you mean that glitch they left in because the felt pity for him?
Resets not as easy as others but I'll give you that.
Crazy Mind Games...that's true.
Alot of command throws? He doesnt have any! All of his special thows require him to let the opp. know via his running. Abel's is Viper-Like and beat's ALL other command grabs.

His hit box on his run special's was nerfed so it's harder to use him now than ever and they gave him a good scary move and they are taking it away and still keep Ryu's shoryuken into ultra which you see in virtually every round.
Not even Chun-Li's Kikosho get's that privelage!

Why dont they nerf Rufus's U2 or Abel's U2? Those characters are good on their own! They dont need TWO good Ultras!

#37
Mr_Clack said on October 13, 2010 at 7:04 a.m.

lol @ Capcom thinking that the motion for Balrog's U2 was the reason why nobody was using it!

Nobody used it because it was not useful!

You have to press punchX3 to use it...
If you want to do big damage off one hit you want to do a full turnaround punch. But you cant because you have to attack with kick X3. So there is no big damage when they are stunned. Therefore making the ultra so bad was not worth doing.

#38
MALDA said on October 13, 2010 at 7:09 a.m.

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#39
gaffel123 said on October 13, 2010 at 7:18 a.m.

hmm why only post when daigo loses? Coz i heard daigo beat him 30-8 or something like that

#40
MALDA said on October 13, 2010 at 7:18 a.m.

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#41
hahareally said on October 13, 2010 at 7:38 a.m.

El Fuerte is a really versatile character. Just look up (better yet, play) the top 20 Fuerte's in the US, they all play differently and the strategies change up drastically when they face different characters/playstyles.

If you're getting beat by a high bp fuerte with just one move, it's not the character that's broken; you just need to learn how to play D.

#42
OvaltineHot said on October 13, 2010 at 7:57 a.m.

I seriously don't understand why people are talking like GiPie only won those matches because of Fuerte's Ultra#2. That ultra isn't easy to land because you can't juggle into it or FADC into ultra or combo into it. Every time GiPie landed the ultra he was taking some risks and they payed off. Ryu, Balrog, Rufus, Chun-Li, Sagat...those characters have easy ultras. GiPie won because he played well and kept Daigo guessing by staying unpredictable. The ultra was indeed a factor but was not the sole reason for his victories, he deserves his props.

#43
MALDA said on October 13, 2010 at 8:11 a.m.

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#44
KenScrub said on October 13, 2010 at 8:17 a.m.

lol at Daigo being free and dp mashing

#45
Mr_Clack said on October 13, 2010 at 8:27 a.m.

@ 47
AMEN!
People make it seem as if ELF's U2 is full screen/anti-air unblocakble.
Daigo fell into it, just like any other grab ultra.

#46
jhayze said on October 13, 2010 at 8:49 a.m.

@#41
buy you mean fast on his normal movement and dashes... yes not fast enough! but his overall movement gameplay is about his habanero dash which is very fast and confusing! the combo loop is not a glitch guarantee on that one! the resets... yes u r right its not easy compare from the rest, but if managed it can be really hard and crazy with his mixups and setups, and if u pressure it with mind games... ur opponent is f*ck'd! as for grabs/throws... he has an air throw, the most useful anti-air throw (compare from abel,rose,etc.), and 2 special move throws (and these are confusing and very hard to avoid with a good mind game, mixups, setups, and good habanero dash execution), and mybad on implementing it as a command throw! he still has the same average stamina/life! i know some if his damage and some hitbox were nerf'd in ssf4! and the fact u cant combo any of his ultra from a juggle but the properties of his ultra2 is a lil' bit overpowered! fuerte is a grappler charcter like zangief but different! i use and play him in an advance way but not as pro like GiPie or TKD.

#47
fuerte7 said on October 13, 2010 at 8:55 a.m.

The thing about fuerte and why his 2nd ultra is so good is that they really needed to give a weak attacking strength character a good ultra. His ultra is one of the most ridiculous in the game, but that's only to balance out the fact that the only real way to win with elf is out mind game the opponent. His normals are weak and have low priority for most and he doesn't have many viable wakeup options. So one crazy ultra doesn't make him broken.

#48
MonkeyCha0s said on October 13, 2010 at 8:59 a.m.

@ 46

top 20 fuertes? thats a pretty big number for a char thats barely used. only the top 5 are probably known and the rest we dont really know about. who knows i might be the 15 ranked fuerte. you dont know how good i am.

#49
lynx_ID said on October 13, 2010 at 9:55 a.m.

I love how people hate el fuerte and say he is easy, cheap, and OP ultra 2... so thats the reason he is considered almost in low tier?

ohh but you say something about guile crazy recovery on hes sonic boom, or the crazy way you can combo into ryu ultra 1, or balrog cheap moves, or honda crazy recovery and high damage and say no need to nerf them or dont repair the thing that arent broken or the tier list dont mean anything, try to pick el fuerte and you will see, is not easy as spam sonic boom or c.MK into hadouken....

it will be interesting if ppeople in the moment of post say who is hes main character....

#50
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 10:13 a.m.

@34

Dude, u can mash srks the smart way(like daigo did) and u cant punish it. It just assures that if u go for a throw mix up or any other trick u get instantly srk'd. And he does it when he has meter, meaning that even if i stop the block string and let him whif the dp guess what, he fadc's and stays totally safe, or if i do go for the throw//mix up now i get dp'd and will most likely get hit with the ultra now or at the very least my pressure has just been neutralized giveing ryu the upper hand.

But with all the ryu/dp mashers online it wouldnt be surpriseing if u were one of them, why else would u defend it?

#51
ButterKnife said on October 13, 2010 at 10:21 a.m.

in my opinion, Fuerte is the hardest character in the game to win with. I say that as a guy who has been maining Hakan for months.

I can't stand it when people say he's just "rock, paper, scissors." It's obvious that those people have never tried to use him online.

#52
RisingStar said on October 13, 2010 at 10:25 a.m.

@ lynx_ID

U hit da nail on da head.

#53
VersA said on October 13, 2010 at 11:39 a.m.

@44
Because ppl love to stir up hype in the sf community which its all for the better. But the funny thing is ppl always post when he gets owned online, but in tournies he outsmarts all of his opponents. That El fuerte is gdlk tho...

#54
hahareally said on October 13, 2010 at 12:11 p.m.

@ 53

nobody EVER said ANYTHING about how good YOU are. why did you take that personally? nvmd i don't care.

and who cares if someone's "known?" it's not a popularity contest.

anyway, i was just commenting on the fact that fuerte can be used in a variety of ways and just about anybody who uses him can be a threat in more ways than one. you don't know if a fuerte's gonna jump off the wall and splash or run at you, whereas there is a huge chance that a balrog is gonna crouch when the round starts.

#55
Spaghetti_Time said on October 13, 2010 at 12:18 p.m.

Dan main here. They way I deal with Elf is lk Dankuu, EX Dankuu when possible, dashing a lot (of course there are times I don't dash to confuse the Elf player). STILL, a very difficult fight.

Kudos to GiPie and using an underrated character very effectively. I just think retards need to check themselves before claiming his Ultra 2 needs a nerf. Just because an excellent player lands a move multiple times does not mean it needs a nerf. The opponent should just learn how to deal with it.

#56
Lolento said on October 13, 2010 at 12:25 p.m.

@#15 chickenwings
By definition, if you have perfect execution and the shoryukens don't come out, either your controller sucks or the game has a craptacular input system (example: SF2, particularly in turbo speeds). Shortcuts don't change that.

#57
Rwolf said on October 13, 2010 at 12:35 p.m.

Damn I hate fuerte, just one of those characters that feels like your not playing street fighter against.

Also mashing out DP in a string like that is reasonable when they have the choice of ending the string when they want for a mixup. Obviously he wouldn't mash it out everytime - he must have either anticipated a mixup or a droped 'link'.

#58
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 12:56 p.m.

@61

perfect execution and timeing are two different things. I have seen diago smacked on wakeup plenty of times in turbo but thats not because of execution, its timeing.
Even with a bigger reversal window in sf4 the fact that u could only get a few dp inputs(if u could get more then one) into the window gives the attacker a better chance to beat it, also remember that the full dp input takes alot longer to do, again giving me another chance to stuff ur motion. But when u can mash df punch like crazy ur basicly 100% gonna get it no matter how big the reversal window is cause u can get so many more dp inputs that small window.

If there was no shortcuts people could obiviously still mash it but they wouldnt get no where as many dp inputs(realkly lowering there chances of a reversal). Its not a move that naturally flows and as soon as u hit that forward direction theres a good chance u will get hit(making u think twice about mashing during hit strings) or if ur sloppy with the input(when u mash chances are its not precise) u will get an unintended fireball which again will be hit during its start up.

#59
Xeo said on October 13, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.

Fuerte is my main, so I love seeing this video. Awesome. This Fuerte is damn good, I consider myself decent and above average with him for sure. But this guy is great.

#60
MadnessFamilyguile said on October 13, 2010 at 1:55 p.m.

Man fuerte is so annoying. I played him against one of my friends and after he didn't even want to play anymore....

Really tough to give this guy props, but here....props

#61
MadnessFamilyguile said on October 13, 2010 at 1:57 p.m.

Actually the win against gamerbee was pretty good, harder to do that against adon

#62
al2k said on October 13, 2010 at 2:01 p.m.

I hate El, he seems out of place in SF, being able to mash you out on wake up game like that, even Daigo struggles.

#63
ANewChallenger said on October 13, 2010 at 2:05 p.m.

"hmm why only post when daigo loses? Coz i heard daigo beat him 30-8 or something like that"

Because Robodaigo winng yet again ISN'T news. We see people using diverse character selections to take this guy and his well-oiled tried and true Ryu down, we learn about our options against high level players.

I don't want to watch Daigo's Ryu masterfully predict when to srk and flawlessly input FADC chains for 30 matches, because it's nothing we haven't seen.

#64
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 2:28 p.m.

@68

"Daigo's Ryu masterfully predict when to srk and flawlessly input FADC chains for 30 matches"

Diago's inputs tell a different story.

#65
PsychoCrusha said on October 13, 2010 at 2:28 p.m.

TORTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLA!!!!!!!!!! lol

#66
Lolento said on October 13, 2010 at 2:44 p.m.

@#63 chickenwings
The shortcut motion is quicker to perform, I completely agree there. But if a fireball comes out, it's due to bad execution, not shortcuts. Even in SF3 f+qcf will consistently register as a shoryuken, unless you do it too slowly and the f input gets dropped out of the buffer.

#67
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 3:35 p.m.

@71

i said if u mash it. I have done it/seen it happen before. last evo on hdr there were a few times u seen it happen too. It is bad execution, but pressure is also a factor. Lets say u have a situation like bison/cammy/abel mix up/pressure, hiting a clean reversal is alot harder so mistakes will happen(thats witout the shortcuts of course).

#68
drew02k said on October 13, 2010 at 3:53 p.m.

@5, for one he isn't mashing them out, he is building meter with them. Some of the ground ones he is in order to get fuete off of him and to avoid the cross up again.

Also I like how fan boys are made that Ryu lost. I mean it's El Fuete this guy's combos take more execution and all he has is a mix-up game and you complain about an ultra that can't be combo into doing too much damage? When lp dp into Ultra does a nice chunk too among all kinds of other combos? Man break out the cheese to go with all this shoto wining

#69
kara said on October 13, 2010 at 4:54 p.m.

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#70
OmegaZero said on October 13, 2010 at 7:33 p.m.

i play elfuerte and rufus as my main along with blankas, so i understands how dificult is to pull of those tricks and mind games, you people should stop making excuses for daigo losing, face it there are no excuses, ultra 2 in not overpower is avoidable an ultra 1 does way more damage and also punish happy hadoukens from full screen is a jump in punisher, ultra 2 is good for mixups an punish jumps in but inst as versatile as ultra 1 so stop your excuses on ultra 2 being overpower

#71
chickenwings said on October 13, 2010 at 7:36 p.m.

@73

Watch the unputs, he doesnt it during block strings. Or dont u see all that df p?

#72
Tcman08 said on October 14, 2010 at 3:19 a.m.

All these ppl talkin bout El Fuerte being low-tier and blah blah blah...for Christs sake Fuerte is way buffed and better than in vanilla and can be equally annoying as Vega...yea i went there...you dont kno nething about low-tier till you play Makoto...if you want annoying try karakusa against that maniac character only to be beaten by that friggin habanero dash...not trying to sppread hate because the dude in the vid is mad good and props to him for llearning him...but i will never give any sympathy to any character except Mak...awesome play by Gipie

#73
Mr_Clack said on October 14, 2010 at 6:19 a.m.

^English please!

#74
craziryu said on October 14, 2010 at 3:28 p.m.

do u ppl understand that only the person that wins uploads the vids? from what i heard mago and daigo dont ever uploads their wins.

#75
denaycous_dee85 said on October 14, 2010 at 7:15 p.m.

aaahhhhhh........been waiting for this....Haters gonna hate-Balla's gonna ball........I give people props using el fuerte,makoto,hakan,dan,rufus,sakura.......ALL HAIL LOW TIERS----The real low tiers..el fuerte(FTW).......Daigos so over rated......Some one kick this guys ass and embarrass him to HELL!!!!!!

#76
denaycous_dee85 said on October 14, 2010 at 7:25 p.m.

STUPID HATAS.............My ULTRA 2 will bash all u suckas mashing,turtling, and grabbing.....el fuerte(FTW).I luv when people dont understand el fuerte..Oh well to them..

#77
denaycous_dee85 said on October 14, 2010 at 7:33 p.m.

interesting-having trouble against wanna be king adon......

#78
denaycous_dee85 said on October 14, 2010 at 7:41 p.m.

yeah i said it.......

#79
InsertCoins25 said on October 14, 2010 at 7:46 p.m.

A good Elf is majorly frustrating. I can feel the pain. How the hell do you counter that air throw thing with someone like Guile? It's like Elf can just do that all day long to me on wake up.

#80
Jaybonaut said on October 15, 2010 at 8:31 a.m.

Elf's Ultra 2 does 500 damage, just like lots of other people. What's the problem?

#81
Mr_Clack said on October 16, 2010 at 6:11 a.m.

^The problem is...Capcom wants him to be the worst in the game!

And they are doing a great job too!

What's next? Slowing him down? Lower Damage? Smaller hitbox?

#82


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