first! wewt wewt

nice t.hawk changes!

Yeah longer lp spd. You can take that cr. Mk poke

AND SHOVE IT STRAIGHT UP

YOUR CANDY ASS

Lol at Dan nerfs and Dictator buffs.

I don't think Adon needed any buffs to be honest. Atleast they nerfed his wake up time though.

Akuma will be #1 in AE, oh well at least gief and dudley are looking interesting.

Here comes Sagat players again

Hold on - this means if I get counter hit optionselect ex gh for the knockdown I am +1, so I can whiff at least 3 gh and push my opponent to the other side of the screen / corner and/or ambiguous jump with the shorter short jump? Zangief is the new Fei long lolz

Who has two thumbs and gotta learn to have more damaging combos with Dan?

#7 yeah.... huge buffs... where is 1 hitting s.lk?

Sounds like you can direct ultra 2 after the flash, which would be great. Even if two players stand next to each other, they neutral jump and you jump straight up and ultra it will whiff unless they are right up in your grill

@4

Dictator buffs aren't really buffs at all, good ones anyway.

Charge command on ultra 2 takes away it's "Scariness" almost completely, and his EX moves are still too good to save it for super (which is still a charge) to get through a fireball.

Plus less damage on s.hk as AA.

Adon and Bison needed buffs? Capcom either doesnt know what balance is or doesnt care.

Well..true gamer can adapt to anything so these nerfs or buffs not gonna change my mains no matter how bad i lose or win..

Hmm...Interesting changes.

Dan would get some nerfs lolololol.

Bison Ultra 2 is now charge?.. faaaaaaaacckkkk!
Well there goes that anti projectile Ultra.. nice screw up.

Hm, I wanna know about Juri, lol none of these, and I agree with #14 (Kakkarot) my main is my favorite character because I like how she play, not because she's the best! =] Juri wins

I really think that slowing down Adon's wake up is lame. That's part of what makes him special. He's not overpowered by any means, but when you fight him you gotta keep his fast wake up in mind.

And EX jaguar tooth "buff" won't help at all. This move is so bad to begin with, I never ever use it unless I play against a complete noob and I wanna troll around. Or occasionally for movement purposes. Adon is alright right now, with his flaws and strenghts, but AA s.mk will be sweet.

If anything, they should improve invincibility on heavy rising jaguar. I don't get it why ppl say it's OP, it gets stuffed clean/trades 60% of the time. (EX is pretty good though).

And Bison, after all this time they still don't know how to balance his s.hk. Maybe it was too strong in Vanilla, I'm cool with that. But it's already pretty alright in Super. I won't complain about it though 'cause Bison is really strong anyway. Glad they don't nerf the crap outta him.

If you followed the blogs about char updates you will notice that this list is just the tip of what changes. Char nerfs or buffs overall cant be critisized with this list

Now that I think about it, I don't care about Adon and Bison in AE if we get Yun... Hell Yeah do whatever you want with the other characters

stop crying kids.. these changes seem really good for the most part. let's wait and see how they turn out!

^ Fancy huh?

#21 is fancy.

LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME TO OIL UP!

@Ghier99: they built the damn game from scratch. Pretty sure they know more about it than you or anyone else. "Hurrr durrr we're Capcom, let's just make the game unbalanced, that should be fun for everyone." Think before typing please.

More range on LP SPD... I might start using Zangief again XD

Wow, great Deejay changes. With the recovery buff on his air slasher and the changes to his sobats his combo potential has increased. Hopefully they can make some changes to his ex machinegun upper.

Where's Abel? O_o

no cody love? :(

Wow, they gave Seth an amazing 50 more health... yay. Taking away his J.HP hurts him alot already.. he really should have 900/950ish health.

Mago and tokido will be so happy.. :)

I dont understand the Deejay dash change. But all I'm hoping for is that he can more easily EX Machinegun into Dash Ultra 2 midscreen. Trust me that sh!t is hard as hell and nobody does it because its so unreliable. If they made his dash timing into ultra as easy as Guile's then maybe Deejay's ultra would be seen more.

why is the fighting game community so hard to please..? -_-

Hmmm...is sonic hurricane going to be easier to setup as a trade for doing less damage??? It's not like it was doing 600 or anything, why would bisons damage get buffed when it has more setups?

Not happy about airthrow being nerfed:(...wow i hope they buff a good amount of his combo potential because i dont think those are the only things they will nerf unfortunately what with so many people whining despite this guiles similarity to vanilla.

@32 & 33

It clearly states that it's incomplete and more information to be added later

Damn was hoping T.Hawk's changes were he was removed from the game. :)

how come all the offensive characters get nerfed while the turtle and boring characters get buffed? =|

Haha, oh wow. As if Zangief wasn't annoying enough to fight...

>>>EX Condor Dive can now be done as an individual attack, performed with all three kicks; is projectile invincible and can be done on a back jump.<<<
That cant be right 0_o ... so if you are in your opponents face and do a back jump ex condor dive, it will come out?

NOOOOO! dont change Adons wake up time! Its not like hes overpowered as he is. (bottom end of Mid tier)
Well at least his st. MK will be a proper AA and his cr. MP will be easier to combo off.

His EX Risning knee needs more invunrability IMO
And i would like more consistancy with his Jaguar kicks hitbox when an oponent is in the air. It wiffs way too many times when it clearly shoulnt.

"You're Going To Mess Up My Hair!"

liking the Guile changes. they didnt massacre him at least. i thought they were going to eliminate meter gain when throwing booms, but they didnt. no other very scary changes to him, negatively or positively. Though i dont know how the frames on his air throw will affect him. can anyone explain it to me? and what do you think about dan? better or worse?

No one liked guile, so why did the give deejay a much better projectile, while buffing his aa? it's not fun to just jump over projectiles the entire match, then get punched as you come down.

Seth only has 1 good ultra now, since u1 has lost all of its uses. the 50 stamina is not worth the loss of hp.

I thought Capcom would do right with SF4...I guess I shouldn't assume anything.

Those bison changes are nerfs, not buffs. The point of U2 was to shut down fireball games, now it won't. That's a HUGE nerf. Dic will never land the ultra anyway, so a damage increase is irrelevant.

the seth changes are pretty awesome. well, except that he lost an entire move lol.

the super invincibility is something i've always wanted. the health and stun increase helps a lot as well.

damn i thought they were giving dee jay a overhead

I HATE Boxer. I just do. He's so raunchy, and ape like, and annoying. (not to mention frustrating to fight)
But when I played SSF2 and played Dee Jay? I was like FINALLY A BLACK CHARACTER I LIKE.

And now he's getting the treatment he deserves.
SPARKLY TEETH FOREVER.

The balancing won't make ANY difference, it's learning how to adapt to beating specific char's with the char your using and theres ALWAYS a way.

@ 50

Ignorance is bliss.

But seriously...saying it won't affect anything is quite stupid. Seth's 6/4 that revolved around zoning (chun li), will be a 5/5 since he can't hold them back. Dudley, Deejay, and Adon's buffs change the way you're gonna need to play against them...so yes, they have made a difference.

Ryu can't escape corners...but I guess that's the same too. It won't make him harder to use.

Seths Super is deadly now, really deadly. That fits my interests, because from my Seth tends to get a full Super in at least half of my matches.

Dan nerfs?.... why???? Ibet it's on purpose because of his rep... shame on you capcom...

well i didn't mean that it wouldn't literally affect anything but looking at a list of buffs and nerfs and then avin a right good moan on the internet about them compared to learning matchups again and tactics, its just easier to av a right good ol' bitch

So can Akuma Shoryu>FADC into U2? I remember reading that when they were doing the SBO loktests and I was floored. If they kept that in, it would be gdlk.

why do they take things away from characters that make them unique? They took away Gen's unique jump arcs in super and now they take away Adon's wake-up time. It really didn't make him OP. It made you wary of trying some offensive mix-ups. An I hope they can give gen's unique jump arcs back though I highly doubt it. I thought it made his cross-up game better. We shall see what other changes made it in for every character.

I'm liking most of the changes from those that haven't been done yet in the blog like Dudley. I though Hakan would get more but of course this isn't the full list of changes.

Overall, Dan got a massive buff. Looks like he can do hit confirms now.

Dan only received a damage nerf. Looks like he got more frame advantage and link combos.

At number #19. Wat r u talkin about.? The ex jag tooth buff will def help his projectile defense..especially when ur opponent is in the corner...which is a place all adon players shud put their opponents. Sure they nerfed his wakeup time..but it probably isn't that big of a nerf...plus he has the fast dash to help him when he wakes up and ex rising jag. The only thing I wish capcom wud do is up the combo damage in U2 like they did for makotos U1. U2 is heavily scaled in combos...even with a full revenge bar

Welcome back Seth. All he needs now is more damage on spd, slightly faster teleport, and slightly faster dive kick and he is perfect in my book.

additional translations (including honda, vega, abel) as well as the sources for many of the translations here can be found nyah: http://shoryuken.com/content/super-st...

im glad bison got a buff on his U2, he needed it...even tho i dont play with bison, lol, it just irritated me for some reason..

Why nerf Dan when he should be buffed? At least let him usable to troll players online... And for people that like him have some fun playing him.

This is just killing him to the point that the roster gets reduced.

I don't understand this phobia from Capcom of making Dan a solid character. Yes he's supposed to be a joke... But does he really has to be so weak because of that? He's a playable character, it's a game feature... Let him be so far away from other character's advantages makes no sense...

Most people don't like him because he's bad... People like the character itself.

zangief is my #2 charater. I'm glad to see his LP spd has an increased range. Will he still have those bad match-ups with SETH, Sagat Dhalsim, and Blanka? or will it be 5/5?

Really wanted to see Chun get something to deal with characters jumping in. Oh well. Her changes are not to drastic thank god. People talk like she is some beast of a character......I just don't see what the complaining is all about. People talk like just anyone can pick her up and lay the smack down on people when that is not the case at all.

I keep hearing about all these changes,new characters,ect.
but when is it all coming out? Or is it just for the arcade?

@ OdinReborn #67

The DP nerf for Sagat and Cammy was mitigated by boosting their air damage. It would make no sense to boost that even more.

Also: 180 damage + an eventual Counter Hit?

Oh yea you guys don't forget:

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Blanka

• It doesn't really matter what we did to Blanka, because he is now more of a joke than Dan was.

• Beast Roll is no longer an option.

• Hop is no longer practical at close range.

• EX Electricity is now a slightly better way to waste an ex meter.

• Blanka still doesnt have a good up close 3 frame poke since WE ALL HATE YOU BLANKA. STAY IN YOUR HOLE.

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stop nerfing ryu please.......

changing bisons U2 to charge motion is NOT A BUFF...that 30 more damage...man put it in your ASSES capcom

All aboard the deejay train! He got some nice buffs

@Fightingfan69 aka #58

Gen's jump arc was changed in super because he couldn't jump over T. Hawk, true story!
The more you know!

@57

They'd have to make it pretty damn quick for that to happen, or make it's startup invincible or throw invincible (which wouldn't help if you got LK'd from a crouch teching opponent).

@68

The Seth matchup is infinitely better with J HP gone IMO. I only toy with Seth but the fight will certainly be more difficult for him I think. The Super buff doesn't help you at all though. Seth is very likely to get a full super in a Gief match, and God forbid you make a mistake jumping in. That's what, 330 damage and back to full screen?

@ #73 He hasnt been nerfed enough.
More Ryu nerfs = less scrubs using him = a more diverse opponent selection online

What do they mean EX Jagaur Tooth has "more" invincibility?

Didn't realise it had any.

To make the move even viable it needed to have it's hitbox improved and the recovery of the short and medium versions to be almost instant.

the fact dat they nerfed dan makes me LMFAO XD

Adon Dee-Jay and Bison thanks CAAPCOM i have no conplains right now. oh and thanks for the blanka nerfs

@SFMaster10 #62

Ok maybe "won't help at all" was too much. But I just think Adon is alright as he is right now. In fact the game is pretty cool as it his right now. I wouldn't mind having to deal with what we have without further balance.

Maybe we just don't have the same style of play. Jaguar Tooth is just almost useless to me at the moment, that's all.

So you know how I hate Vega?

Well, I recently made up a poll in my head that says EVERYBODY hates Vega!

Isn't that great? Now EVERYONE agrees with me! I'm so happy because now Capcom is going to take him out of the game because everyone thinks the same way I do! No one can possibly claim to like Vega anymore. It's a law of nature because I say it is and because I don't like him.

So yeah, NO ONE LIKES VEGA. Bow to my factual opinion.

Apparently there are more ryu nerfs because daigo said at the kuwaitt challenge that he'll be switching to ken, yun , and makoto.

As a sagat player hopefully we'll get a few more buggs, slightly faster walk speed

I don't think that's too much a nerf for dan, the juggling capability of J.HP might open up some interesting options, and you still have the awesome LK Dankukyaku!!!!

DAN IS NOT NERFED. He got buffed.

very good changes so far, even tho im still scared that zangief and guile might rape..

@86

At what point was Dan ever meant to be anything but a joke?

And look, you wrote "lol".

Mission complete, Capcom.

Easy operation.

@86

And I won't even take issue with the rest of your post because obvious troll is obvious when he tries too hard.

So... Will Akuma be able to Shoryu FADC Ultra 2?

I am having troubles with Zangief as well.....
If anyone can help me with this I would be GREATLY appreciated.....

Here is my problem. Ex: Chun Li Vs. Zangief.....
Playing Chun Li, I jump in and do a fierce punch attack. We know that Chun Li has a double hit fierce punch attack, but how is it that Zangief is able to grab me into a spinning air driver before the second punch even gets off? Am I missing something? It seems like trying to take a offensive shot with him, he can just grab me before I can start a heavy offensive chain. I am no expert at SF, but if anyone has tips on how to prevent this from happening would be greatly appreciated! thank you;)

@Phoenixrising77

Are you on shoryuken.com too? If so, send me a message, I'll help you out : )
http://shoryuken.com/members/chibiten...

I guess now we should stop dreaming and talk seriously a moment guy!.I believe (just an opinion) For those who still are dreaming about characters DLC (sold via network) should come back to planet earth. if these characters (the 6,yun&yang included or just yun&yang)might be playable at home so maybe we should wait for a nw game "post the arcade thing".They will PROBABLY release a whole new game with all these new characters and new changes for all characters. its impossible to play with the yun and yang of the arcade edition without having to bother for the other characters (impossible to extract them from the whole new game with these changes)...
i just think we should maybe wait for a new game "the arcade edition" in ps3 or xbox

Cripes, Bison's U2 just took a hit for fireball happy matches

The Dan trading damage for combos is fair. I don't really think he got buffed or nerfed. Its just a balanced trade, but I think it'll make him more fun.

I hope Hakan didn't get too good... I kinda like being the only person who uses him...

If there is one game I KNOW I wouldn't give in to buying, it's a NEW release for a game that's DLC material AT BEST.

I love the new content, but if Capcom wants to alienate some fans, they'll release AE as a new game.

I don't think it's cool to say "THEY CHANGED IT I WON'T BUY IT butsecretlyiwill", so I hate to say it: I will not buy AE if they make it a disc release. It is not worth $40 more of the little money I have to spare for games.

It's a $20 DLC IMHO.

@Phoenixrising77. You think Chun li vs Zangief is bad? try Guy vs Zangief, that's a nightmare. his grabs out beat all of Guy's attacks

Why are people moaning at Blanka's Beast Roll nerf? You shouldn't be using them outside of combos / through projectiles / cross-ups anyways.

The rest of the changes were posted on the iplaywinner site here is the link if you wana add the rest of the changes to this article catalyst.

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/11/2...

All Bison players will revert to U1 now that U2 is completely useless.

When I saw the T.Hawk Change I literally yelled "Heck yeah"

That's a step in the right direction to make him viable.

Wow, I'm impressed, which I really didn't expect to be. I agree with almost every single change in the list here.

Unless EX Ducking is at least as fast as Light Ducking and as far as the hard version, I'm not sure Dudley will be boosted very much by this. More active frames on mk sweep wasn't exactly what he needed, and making a pretty useless EX-move only slightly less useless isn't really a meaningful buff. Faster F+MK is pretty sweet though. Wish Capcom would love him as much as they love Dee-Jay, but I guess he isn't charge enough :(

LOL.... Well, Im glad to hear that Im not the only one who seems to be grabbed by Zangief alot.O.o, that did NOT come out right LMAO.
@ Chibitensin ( I believe thats how your name is spelled, and If I am incorrect, I apologize.) Thank you for responding bro. Unfortunately, no I am not on Shoryuken. I go to that website, but very rarely. I have so many memberships to so many different websites Im afraid my brain would blow up if I had another user name and Password! LOL, I will def let you know if I do join tho ;)

@46 Yea because Hosenka isn't charge.

Okay, did Dan just get nerfed in exchange for a boost in combo ability. That can't be fair! They should only add to Dan's arsenal, decreacsing his damage is making usage for his moves useless and the only useless move Dan has is not even a move in his moveset.