Daigo Umehara, Mago, EG.Justin Wong, Mike Ross and others competed in the Canada Cup this weekend. Team Sp00ky provided a live look at the action for people watching at home.
| Team USA — 3 | Result | Team Spiral Guys Fanclub — 0 |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | JSMaster (Balrog) |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | Jozhear (Vega) |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | Killacam (Cammy) |
| Team USA — 3 | Result | Team Spiral Guys Fanclub — 0 |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | JSMaster (Balrog) |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | Jozhear (Vega) |
| EG.Justin Wong (Rufus) | beat | Killacam (Cammy) |
| Team Japan — 3 | Result | Team Calgary — 0 |
| Mago (Sagat) | beat | Lap Chi (Blanka) |
| Mago (Sagat) | beat | Phil (Ryu) |
| Mago (Sagat) | beat | Hai (Guile) |
| Team USA — 3 | Result | Team Calgary — 0 |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Lap Chi (Blanka) |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Phil (Ryu) |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Hai (Guile) |
| Team Spiral Guys Fanclub — 3 | Result | Team Japan — 2 |
| Killacam (Cammy) | loses to | Air (Ryu) |
| Jozhear (Vega) | loses to | Air (Ryu) |
| JSMaster (Balrog) | beat | Air (Ryu) |
| JSMaster (Balrog) | beat | Mago (Sagat) |
| JSMaster (Balrog) | beat | Daigo Umehara (Guile) |
| Team USA — 3 | Result | Salty Congee — 0 |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Sampson (C. Viper) |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Derek (Chun-Li) |
| Gootecks (Rose) | beat | Wilson (Fei Long) |
"12 p.m. - SSF4 Teams start to top 4, then singles up to top 8.
12 a.m. - Doors close."
Does that mean we'll get to see 12 hours of SSFIV on the stream, or am I mistaken?
How does Mike Ross or any other of them have the money to travel and stuff??? Do they work?? Spoiled by parents?? Do fans really give them money via internet funds??? I really wanna know.
I wonder if any canadians will make top 8, unless you count air who i'd consider japanese. Daigo, mago, mike ross, gootecks i guess......does anyone know who else is going? Perhaps some beastly canadians will make a name for themselves this weekend.
Gootecks plays alot of games for money while at tourney's He's like a pool shark for street fighter.
I just read that justin wong will be there, but haven't heard anything about marn.
Also Gootecks and mike ross make money from machinima, so if u guys view the vids, they make money from advertisements..
The canadians are not getting hype :( hopefully they'll have a few beers in them during top 8
If Mago gets beat this comment section will be full of excuses like if it was FT10 instead of giving the player credit anyways wow thought Air would do better against Daigo.
It's been lagging quite a bit on my lap also better hope someone uses a dhalsim soon lol
Ya I figured a CANADA cup would be in montreal,vacouver, or toronto.
I really thought that Air would be doing better I know the tourney hasn't started yet but still
Lol in the MIDDLE OF NO WHERE lol.....I don't think any major cities are within driving distance of it
Sadly no one made it there because Calgary boring as hell and the center of Canada is cold as sh*t. They should have done this in Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal. There would have been way more people and way better players.
The Bison player is horrible.
@ Mustain21
Im from Toronto, i know where Calgary is lol... It's called being sarcastic. I think there's much better players in Montreal and Toronto than in Calgary. Besides Toronto and Montreal are known for SF, you'd figure Canada Cup would go there before somewhere like Calgary.
canada is trash... these fools aint even that good online... how did they get this big of a tournament?
Is obvious that Justin, Mago, Daigo are above their level but do not insult the players just because there are not at the same level. They need people from all the levels and parts of the world if they want the fighting game community to grow and get better.
JS Master is probably the only one that could make top 8 if Air doesn't get his act together I'm surprised doesn't he write guides on character match-ups for Ryu?
Air's performance against Justin was a bit disappointing.
What's the score thus far? Is JSMaster the only one to get a round on anyone yet?
It's because of Balrog. I'm not trolling! Balrog needs a curb, admit it. He's a simple overpowered character. Somethings gotta give. Either make one thing less effective or make something a little harder to time, cause right now he's easier to play than Ryu
See? T Hawk? Now that's the stuff. Could be overpowered character with just enough balance tweaks to make him deadly in a skilled players hands.
That's how you do it.
Daigo, Mago, and Air.
Ryu sandwich with a side of Fei.
International Exhibition Match Results:
For the record, each match was one game, 3 out of 5 rounds, so the score is by rounds.
Daigo vs. Air (Ryu) 3-1
Daigo vs. Jozhear (Vega) 3-0
Daigo vs. JimKim (Bison) 3-0
Daigo vs. JS Master (Balrog) 3-2
Daigo vs. Glenn (Blanka) 3-0
Daigo vs. Hai (Guile) 3-0
Daigo vs. Evo (Fei Long) 3-1
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Daigo wins 7-0
Justin Wong vs. Air 3-1
Justin vs. Jozhear 3-0
Justin vs. JimKim 3-0
Justin vs. JS Master 3-1
Justin vs. James Jones 3-0
Justin vs. Glenn (E. Honda) 3-1
Justin vs. Hai 3-0
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Justin wins 7-0
Mago vs. Air 3-1
Mago vs. Jozhear 3-0
Mago vs. JimKim 3-0
Mago vs. JS Master *JS MASTER WINS 3-1
Mago vs. James Jones 3-0
Mago vs. Glenn (T. Hawk) 3-1
Mago vs. Ricardo 3-0
Mago vs. Hai 3-0
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Mago wins 6-1
Wow Mike Ross asks him if Honda beats Fei and Mago said yes but against Mike Ross' Honda he will win LOL. Mike Ross on blast!
^ agreed.
Rooting for all Cammy players since there is and probably never will be a Guy player live on tournament -_-
"Am I the only one who is not so sure that mago is going to win this easy against Justin & Mike Ross? Mago is a beast, but I don't know how his Fei Long does ageinst excellent Rufus and Honda players like them. "
Mago will not hesitate to counterpick.
Hmm these games are rather dull, watching UFC 122 germany right now.
For some of the Canada doubters JS master isn't some new player who pulled some good matches. He has been winning Canadian tournaments for quite some time. Placed very high at season's beatings which was just a little while ago and the Canadian team beat gamerbee (in his respective team) in the teams tournament. They may not be known for a lot of good players but they certainly can beat good players and make it far in a tournament.
There's better comp on SRK Live and peaceful jay's stream.
Teapo, unless you make top 8 you get no recognition, this j.s. master guy didn't make top 8.
I don't think this tourny reflects canadas skill level, it's out there in the middle of nowhere, and isn't close to any major cities.
I appreciate team spookys hard work, good stuff guys. These calgary guys are just not hype, or at a competitive level.
I'm telling you right now, come to Hawaii.
These players are doing insanely amateur things and seclusion is not excuse. In Hawaii we have around if not more than 50 competitive-level players across three islands. We have three different gaming organizations two streams going every month and a weekly stream. Our players fly out to all the tournaments and consistently place top 50 at worst. And we have a F)_#*U*I! ocean between us and any major tournament and we still make it out.
Put up a tournament with pros of this caliber and watch AT LEAST 300 players show up. We're just as secluded as Canada but we're like Goku in the hyperbolic chamber. How do we get this started?
Lol@gootecks saying he was too out of practice for SCR, but participates in canada cup a week later. Love his cross counter vids on utube tho.
Also, good job by Team Spooky and the other pros. They really took a gamble on this one and I commend their bravery and competitive spirit.
If Japan can roll America and we keep going, then America can roll Canada and the same should be true. It doesn't mean they don't deserve to have a tournament, it just upsets me that they keep using the "secluded" excuse on the stream when they are a whole damn country and we in Hawaii have done even better with far less but we're so secluded an actual tournament with pros is mostly impossible.
@#106
Your comments always make me cringe :S
Great Blanka. Suprising that a LAME blanka was so exiciting.. for real lol. Good sh@! to daigo for adjusting. Great match
No diffrence between Canadian players & the online scrubs...
do the math guys
Hahahaha I'm almost dead certain that if you went there you wouldnt get a round ha
Who won Mago or Gootecks the stream kept freezing for me
Thanks he had to go to Sagat wow didn't think he could push him that far.
Gootecks probably should have gone Rose at the end just to keep Mago off balance, but it was great to see both of them go back to their old characters for a bit.
Great job to Team Spooky and the organizers for a fun event. Hopefully this will lead to a bigger SF scene in Canada.
Wow if anyone cares to know Margarito is basically Pac Man's punching bag.
Wow justin got blown up. JS masters and that blanka that gave daigo trouble are prob the best canadians players in my opinion
Lmao @ JSMaster calling USA free. I wouldn't take him seriously though. I think he's just tired of people calling Canada free all night. lmao :p
I hope he plays Mike ross and mike has something to say about it lol
I dunno if all that was necessary for the result of a 6-4 matchup, but whatever makes him feel good for the night. He obviously hasn't really conquered any big names before, so I guess he should be able to have his moment. Now, if he wins and holds it up for Canada, all the more power to him.
My money is on Daigo taking this simply judging by the remaining players' characters. There are a lot of players left along the way, but I think his chances are best.
Scratch that, love to see justin make it past this sim ( he will) and rematch js... prob be more hype than the rose mago match... lets see
Wow I hate cocky a-holes. Even though I'm not a jwong fan but I really hope he knocks him JSMaster out of the tourney (if JS gets knocked into Losers). That will be a sweet revenge.
I have a feeling Mago will take the game, but that also depends on whether or not he will meet JSMaster in the tourney later on. He's really bad against Balrog.
Still, my non-existant money's on Mago.
rose mago match.. ha i meant gootecks mago... wow what a slip up.to add insult to injury gootecks played rog in that match lol.
There are still too many people that can take Daigo out. Mago, Mike Ross & Justin are too dangerous and can beat him. Daigo has been in trouble twice this tournament against James Jones and that Blanka player. It's gonna be difficult for Daigo to take this.
Balrog is a nightmare for Mago. JSMaster vs Mago would be a great fight, could go either way.
@Mourne:
JS Master beat Chris Hu, Mike Watson at Evo 2010
He beat Momochi at SB
He eliminated Sabin from both the 3v3 team tournament and the singles tournament at MTLSF Massacre
He also beat Mago earlier this morning in the exhibition.
Are these names big enough for you?
@HvE: I already posted about him beating Mago--I was watching, thanks. I have no doubt he's a good player and the best of the Canadians minus Air, but unless he wins this tournament and keeps Canada afloat, I don't think he'll be able to justify his vituperation. I'm all for the passion so long as he can back it up--let's see how it goes tomorrow. (And no, that list isn't really sufficient; if he beats any two of Daigo, Mike Ross, and Mago, then I'll be content)
@SAMURAI: Think Mago will immediately go to Sagat when/if he faces JSMaster or try his luck Fei Long?
@Mourne:
I personally think he's going to go with Sagat, but you never know. Mago's Fei Long is beastly though!
I want someone to post the JS Masters and Wong match. Did any of you guys notice that Masters was styling at the end by UNNECESSARILY jump punching the plane's wings off.
He BODIED Wong and the plane.
I think he will pick Sagat considering he already lost once to JS during the exhibitions, Just a bad matchup for Fei. I do love seeing his Fei in action. Clean as the house of someone who suffers from OCD lol
@ Mourne
Yes, I think he'll definitely go with Sagat against Balrog. But Sagat isn't so strong like he used to be in Vanilla. And even in Vanilla I've seen Mago lose many fights against Maeda Taison's Balrog. Maeda Taison made Mago look free. And Mago can't have the same feeling with Sagat after playing so long with Fei Long, you saw him drop combos against Gootecks.
I still think it could go either way, but yes, Mago would probably take it.
Just got back, I already missed it :( . Anyways, It seems this "JS Masters" seem to be the best candidate to take out the big names.
wait! which character does this Masters guy play?
Never mind my previous post. It's Balrog didn't see the top part of the page.
I like how it's all "Canada sucks! Canada is free!" earlier in this comments section, but when JSMaster says US is free, everyone thinks it's uncalled for. I love armchair critics. What makes it even funnier is that people who said Canada is free are sitting behind a computer screen. JSMaster is out there and can actually back up his talk. But y'all shouldn't take it to seriously anyway. Have you never been to a tourney, especially one like this one? Everyone trash talks, people get hype, quit getting your panties in a bunch about it, damn. Even if you haven't, isn't it completely understandable?
Whatever, this tournament started out slow, but later on during singles there was great matches back-to-back for like 2 hours. So hype. I wish Gootecks had knocked Mago into losers, and I wish the Blanka player had beaten Daigo.
@ K:
I also wish Blanka had beaten Daigo, but mostly just because Daigo loses so much.
Mago, however, is a very smart and exciting player who I love watching play. His footsies are amazing. Not to mention this is the first time he's ever competed in SFIV/SSFIV outside of Japan (from what I know), so I can't help but root for the guy. He's also just generally a nice dude from what I've heard.
I don't really know about the Canadian SF scene, but at some points I was also thinking: "Damn. Is this the best Canada has got to offer?" - But I've realized that they held the tournament in the middle of nowhere, so that probably also plays its role. So I can see why some people would say Canada is free - especially like foreigners like me who would put Canada in the same category as the US (I come from Denmark, and my geography sucks).
But I'm pretty sure JSMaster knows all of the US scene isn't trash, so it's just pretty douchey for him to say that. But again, the hype might've gotten to them, fair. I just hope he's not like Filipino Champ, who could calmly sit down at an interview and admit to dropping games, as well as calling Daigo and Tokido free, and blaiming his lack of experience with the Akuma match-up because all the Akuma players in US suck. That guy has no excuse at all. lol
Ugh. I made this post a lot longer than I should have. But I don't mean to start any hate. :p
Correction: I also wish Blanka had beaten Daigo, but mostly just because Daigo WINS so much.
Can someone please post a comment adressing the latest tournaments statuses of Daigo, Mago, Justin Wong, Gootecks, Mike Ross, JSmaster, and Air???
Basically what I want to know is who were the last two people they played and did they win or lose those matches.
J.S. masters never placed top 8 at any notable tourny. J.s. masters calling u.s. free is laughable. Atleast when starnab (who didnt make top 8@ Seaons beatings) called USA free, he had beat notable opponents. J.s, masters got turned out by all top players.
Not sure why mago picked this tounament to join, the competition is as free as it can get. His only opponents are mike ross, and justin wong. All this event did was make canada look worse than xbox live scrubs.
Thanyou very much Null, but do you think it'll be possible for you to give further details about them. Can you please tell us who were the last 2 players each of the top 8 guys played.
People need to take what they read in the stream with a shaker of salt. It's a mob mentality and it's very easy to fire off all sorts of comments that you would never say face to face to just add to the chaos, I do it all the time. Anything about "free" or "he sucks" or "on blast," most of the comments are not to be taken seriously.
It's just him hyping the tourney and it work it got you guys interested after all the this tourney is boring and canada is free.
I wasn't able to watch the stream unfortunately :( I saw whose in top 8 from null, but who beat who is what I want to know? BTW I'm rooting for mike Ross :D or jwong
@fireinthehole
I don't remember most of the matches because they were either incredibly one-sided or involved Canadian players I've never heard of. All four people in the loser's bracket were knocked into the LB by the person listed above them in my list, e.g. Air lost to Mike Ross, Jozhear lost to Daigo, Gootecks lost to Mago and Justin Wong lost to JS Master. With the exception of Gootecks vs. Mago, all of those matches were Winner's Finals of that bracket, Gootecks vs. Mago was somewhere near the end of the bracket.
Additionally, the results for the team tournament haven't been posted, I don't know for sure who is still in but I think that Team Japan (Air, Daigo and Mago), Team USA (Gootecks, Mike Ross and Justin Wong) and Team Canada (JS Master, Jozhear and another Canadian player) are all still in.
@gaherisx
That's what I want to know as well. The guys at levelup did a much better job doing a tournament.
@gaherisx
I posted the Top 8 results earlier and they're also up on the front page of SRK, I don't know why EH hasn't posted them yet. Spooky does not archive major SSF4 events on his ustream account because sometimes ustream "loses" the recordings or they have problems, for example the ustream archives of T11 all had no video, just audio. Every match that was shown on the stream will be up on the Team Spooky YouTube account after the tournament is over.
@fireinthehole
The guys at levelup sometimes went on break for long periods of time with no explanation, even after the game was switched out and you could hear game audio they didn't show casuals or non-finals matches. When Spooky switches between games it takes a few minutes at most and if no tournament matches are going on he'll always at least show casuals, he'll never just put up some background for an entire hour.
Quick question, how many participants signed up for the Canada cup?
@Gattsu same one as on here why do u ask? Also don't bother with msg or any of the such my console is in for repairs... :(
@Everyone the reason for a lack of an update is due to the fact he is currently trying to work things out with the drama involving SH/Maj it can be seen above in the news section.
@builderabuser
I'm not sure of the exact number of participants, but the venue cap is 350 and they encouraged people to register early, I don't know if they actually hit the venue cap but I heard the number 300 and the phrase "over 300" being thrown around a lot, in order to have four 64-man brackets you need at least 256 participants so I don't think that 300 is too far off from the real number.
@Null
Thanks. Btw, any other big names joined that weren't in the top 8?
Gootecks in top 8? Was there really that much of a lack of competition?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Gootecks, he's just not "top 8" material in my opinion, it doesn't mean he's bad at the game, just not someone I would mention in the same sentence as people like Wong, Ross, Daigo etc.
I haven't been able to watch the streams, what other players attended? No Ortiz or Marn? Daigo and Mago the only Japanese attendees? No Valle or Vangief?
@188 basically the ones in top 8 were the ones who attended
@188 there is a lot of good competition there. Also gootecks took a match off mago and nearly took the third match off him, i think that shows that he is "top 8" if he's feeling it. Besides the mago match he has been playing well the whole tourney.
This event has has some really good matches. That blanka who almost took out daigo was a great set.
Who is in the last eight? I fell asleep! No surprise there.
@#202
Are you sure? I dont thinks its finished yet.......
@ HukGuay Post #200:
People need to understand that this tournament was made by people IN CALGARY and they called it the CANADA-CUP. Yes its in the middle of nowhere land far from the EAST COAST of canada where the real deal is .. We had a Tournament in Montreal 2 weeks ago and winner of the high roller would win a free flight to the canada-cup to represent us 1st and 2nd place couldnt make it out .. so we al talked and decided JS Master would represent us because he did knok out Sabin from the high roller tourney ...
What you see at the canada-cup is basically a bunch of kids that went to see Daigo and Mago ... In a way calling it the Canada-Cup is a mistake in my opinion .. as it dosent represent Canada ... they should of called it Calgary-Cup .. As much as I applaud the effort .. we all saw this coming on the East Coast of canada.
Spending lots of $$ to get top names at your tournament is one thing ... but make your country look bad is another ..
The exhibition matches they had vs Jwong Daigo and Mago was a real joke .. the commentator kept calling this Canadas top players but didnt know that it wasnt the case .. Beside JS Masters , Air and Joz these people were just people that were "GOOD" in their own back yards ...
Thats all I had to say... I know ill get flamed but WTV East Coast Canada knows it ... facts are facts ...
www.mtlsf.com Representing part of the East Coast !! GET HYPE
LETS GO JS MASTERS BRING THAT PRIDE BACK HOME..
Thanks crankypunk for the heads up.
Anyways whose Air? I hear a lot of talk about him that he is a very good player. but in those matches against dago mago jw he looked pretty bad. I looked at the match of him vs valle he was ok but I think valle could have won in a rematch.
@coknballs ... i see why your name is coknballs. By the way, Air happens to be my friend, and i and many others consider him to be a top 5 ryu player out there, and as you know, i post high level SSF4 matches, so it's only appropriate to post Air matches...just because YOU'RE tired of ryu players, doesn't mean actual ryu players who LEARN and IMPROVE from watching Air, are tired of Ryu players, because obviously, they're not...i'm tired of this type of crappy immature and above all, SELFISH attitude...please do the community a favor and try to contribute something useful instead of posting idiotic immature comments, i mean, you must realize you sound like a 5 year old, don't you?? ... unfortunately, people with your type of attitude and outlook are a dime a dozen, sadly, so there' not much i can do about it.
@coknballs (208):
I somewhat agree. I do think Air is a very good player, but he could probably improve his mindgames some more (but how do you even do that?)
I agree about Ryu players though... Akuma is the only shoto that I enjoy watching nowadays, simply because he can be so surprising.
"because you and lots of his subscribers mouths are firmly rapped around his testicles"
Are you 15? :S
@cocknballs... ""Oh and speaking of your channel, when was the last time you uploaded a damn juri match? Some variety in your channel would be nice, its the same few players over and over."" ... i feel about 10 IQ points dumber for replying, but what the hell... do you even know what i do? i get matches from the replay list, so of course you will see the same players alot, because those are the players who upload to the replay list, where is your logic man? where is the common sense?..and i don't upload Juri matches, [of which, there are hardly ANY high level juri players, if any at all] ... there are no top level vegas either, Arai stopped playing ranked, or stopped uploading, Makoto1979 doesn't upload...please be informed before you spew nonsense.....look at your attitude man, the next comment you made, was bashing the on-the-fly translator who did a decent enough job, and helped out by making a daigo interview possible....you're either 12 years old, or just a professional douchebag..so i'll stop replying, because, like i said, i feel stupider for replying.
Damn, both days Spoody stream lagging like hell. At first i thought it was my connection, but all other streams work perfectly... I really want to see this :(
yeah it's so laggy right now !! and i thought the same thing as you
I'm inclined to agree Air was hyped up pretty high in your videos but hasn't faired well in this tournament so far against top players he lost to Wong, Daigo and Mago in the exhibition you could use the excuse that it's an exhibition but it makes no difference also Mike Ross ended up defeating him in the actual tournament.
Helped for the first 2 minuts, Lutzen, then it just got even worse. Jesus Christ this is a shi tty stream right now.
you are incorrect...i blocked YOU AND ONLY YOU because you TROLLED every single video i posted and commented with INFLAMMATORY comments....and btw, i blocked you because MULTIPLE SUBSCRIBERS asked me to...i will never block anyone because they criticize a player...so please, stop spreading lies. and don't twist the truth. Thanks.
Aww JMaster had the second round if he used his super
JSmaster was so lucky that Daigo failed to dash out ofhis FADC
great balrog though
Congrats to JSMaster for pulling it out--I said if he beat two of Mike Ross, Daigo, and Mago he could stand behind his words, and he has. Props!
Glad to hear Canada so hype. This scene has potential; like the US they have the issue of a lot of area between players, but this event's going to help bring it to the general serious gaming population. One could hope, anyway.
@Mourne ... thanks man. i appreciate it...and i just can't help myself sometimes. lol.
amazing performance by JSmaster ... his balrog is unreal! some of the best balrog footsies and pressure i've seen yet.
@GrimXD:
It worked fine for me yesterday, but today this is a complete and utter bullsht stream that lags and freezes every chance it gets. What the fk...
Mago's weakness is Boxer as Daigo is to Dhalsim. Of course I'm speaking too soon or maybe JMaster is the one that Mago fears.
@ #255
How can it be Ustream if other streams with over thousand viewers still working fine?
@boulderabuser:
He doesn't have much experience against Balrog. He even said that in an interview that was done only a few days/weeks ago.
Go Justin Wong. JSMasters had the luxury to sit back and study all the top players while the top dogs had no clue about who he was and how he plays. It now seems that Justin has figured JS out.
@JUUUUUUN: Everyone just underestimated JSMaster, honestly. I think it's really as simple as that. Justin likely just decided to switch from his usual anti-Balrog strategy to an anti-aggressive Balrog strategy, and it worked. Balrog is actually quite a tough matchup for Rufus, but there's always a way to win a Rufus-Balrog match if you can lure the Balrog player into a certain rhythm.
Some things I noticed was that Justin toned down the divekick BnB's and messiah kicks in favor of cr.MK into EX Tornado. That really put JSMaster on notice simply because he was forced to re-evaluate just how aggressive he wanted to be.
these guys are noobs with cosplay judging.
the cammy looked BEST, almost a real life cammy, everything looked the same
@SAMURAI: As I've explained before, it isn't as good for countering a Ryu fireball game as it seems in theory. Go into the lab and test out how it is and you'll see that it's far, far better to stick with Ultra 1. The only time I've seen Justin hit Ultra 2 recently when he really needed to was when he beat Daigo a while back... and that was off the roundhouse launcher, which Ultra 1 works with just as well (and yet has many, many more applications).
One could argue it makes people afraid to throw fireballs when Rufus has that ultra. However, because it doesn't work from the full length of the screen, it has less applications than people assume. Most Ryu players aren't afraid to still throw hadokens simply because they know punishing with Ultra 2 isn't easy and requires preemptive timing.
@coknballs
"don't team spooky take pride in their streams so why no archived streams?
There is like 3 matches I'm interested in seeing that I missed, gooteks vs mago, jsmaster vs wong, daigo vs some blanka dude"
Spooky distrusts ustream's recording feature because it has lost footage in the past so he doesn't use it to record major SSF4 events, he just records them himself then uploads the matches to his YouTube channel later. He'll use it record unimportant stuff like random Melty Blood casuals, but never a SSF4 major. FYI, the "Blanka dude" is called Riceta/Brian.
@ Everyone complaining about the stream
Spooky can only do so much about the stream, the venue's internet connection, your own internet connection and ustream's backend have more to do with it than Spooky.
@ Mourne
It's not very easy and you could see Air not being afraid to throw fireballs. But still, Justin is one of the best Rufus players in the world. He is very good at reading people and his timing is close to godlike. Ultra 2 is a good weapon in the hands of Justin.
I remember Ricky Ortiz using it at Evo and punishing Daigo when he used fireballs.
I know how you feel Gootecks!
I play Honda and got knocked out of EVO in the last losers match of my pool in a Honda mirror match so I switched to a character I don't play very well. Playing against your own character sucks.
Also JsMasters better take this in stride because his character is broken. What other character forces Justin AND Daigo to switch away from their mains?
Daigo just made public another lamer-normal for lamerbois :)
Daigo just dominating with normals and anti-air grab.
Good work.
It's not MEI GO
It's MAAAAGO
You can't even pronounce the fighters names but you're commentating?
@308 - Word
Does it bother anybody else when people pick the stick up by the Balltop? One hand holding onto all that weight on the balltop? Gamerbee and Mago do it and every time they do I feel like their poking my computer screen with their fingers.
Fucc man i was really rooting for mike ross!!...You did good tho homay!!
@304
What are you talking about? Go back and watch EVO and SoCal and SBO.
Not JS Master but Balrog. Balrog's ridiculous, you can't deny. I mean, Mago's been picking Sagat all weekend only because of Balrog. He need's either something to be more limited than it is or something to be curbed because right now he's easy and as close to a Sagat as this game's got.
JS made Canada proud. Dude proved he could hang with the best.
Good job to JS.
Lawl @ Winston.
Great tournament.
'Bout time Daigo won after his previous fails. :P
@Spikes: Great job on that. Yeah, I remember when SBO was held in the US too and, for some reason, it was no longer teams but singles and somehow GamerBee & Momochi ended up on top. The reason no one was excited in that matchup is the reason no one at home was excited either--GamerBee dominated it. If it had been closer, people would have gotten into it. There was no question GamerBee was going to win.
As I expected, Daigo came out on top. Good games @ all, and great event. More Canadian tournies, please.
Daigo 2.5D god! Daigo is consistent, that's why he's #1.
that air throw was alittle ridiculous, the throw range is so freakin big.
Btw guys, was there any other games that were played or was it only 3v3 and single SSF4?
WTF CLOSE UP, WHERES TEKKEN 6 AND BLAZBLUE. scrubs
Canada totally have the better crowd. They respect all comers outside of Canada, of course their fellow canadians comes first before international.
Owned by Canada?..USA won the team tourney and had more players place higher in singles then canadians. JS played great no doubt, but hes gonna end up being like Inthul, do good for a tourney, and never do anything decent again, or at least anything that matters. Still japan raped in singles, thats nothing to be proud of. Going from Socal to this was depressing to say the least.
@333
The only note worthy player was js, the rest of them sucked. Seriously now, gootecks made top 8. That says enough lol.
What did Js masters do at seasons beatings? nothing......This canada cup was pretty much free for the top 8 players. There wasn't the grueling pools to deal with when everyones free.
i dont understand these canadian excuses. now let me say here i have no beef with them other then the fact that JS got over hyped and called USA free because of ONE win. other then that i wanna see more of what they can do.
but you canadians keep saying it was in calgary NO ONES IN CALGARY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN TORONTO.
so distance within your own country is troublesome? mago and daigo came from japan and still made it to your calgary. they crossed and OCEAN to get there. you can't travel through your own country to get there?
i'm a man of facts not speculation and sht talk. if you have amazing canadians then have them show at EVO. nothing else can be said other then that. talk all the junk you want about your JS and others. have them show up at EVO and other tournies and see how they do before you start calling names and talking sht
@348
More like Justin got destroyed by super punished and Mago got destroyed by air-throwed.
@chickenwings - Gootecks OCV'd and dominated way too many people for you to talk that kind of trash. He performed really well. Sure he didn't win, but he gave Mago a really close fight which says a lot. He's a major competitor again, don't understand where the hate comes from.
Lol canada, daigo and mago will probably never come back to canada because of the deplorable competition, should of taken advantage of that opportunity, while they were there.
Masters got blown out at seasons beatings, and now this guy thinks he's hot stuff? lololol. What did he place at evo? Comp ain't free at evo son. Air's performance was disappointing to say the least.
Daigo doesn't fly 14 hours to go to canada and pick up canadian change. He flies for the competition, and love of the game. Austrailia looked alot better than canada in their tournament, as did france aswell.
@359
Nope, hes a mad catz rep and will show up where ever they fly him.
Gootecks is back!
Good stuff from him, great rose.
Wish Marn could have attended this one.
Great performace from JSmaster, maybe he get just the third place, but he beat almost every top player there, i think it's much more valuable.
Gootecks and Mike Ross were really cool, great commentating and great performance, and i'm glad that gootecks in a good shape.
Daigo's Guile was awesome, especially those air grabs and use of normals. But Grand Finals were pretty boring because of that character.
Overall, great tournament with surprisingly friendly atmosphere, with only a couple of flaws:
-Very boring commentating from canadian guys
-not sure about this, but i heard that there were only little amount of top Canada players, so sometimes matches were pretty one sided.
Oh, there is so much buttthurt from some of US guys, especially from those ones who still scream "Canada is free". Every one of US finest was beaten by Canadian player.
@GrimXD
JSMasters almost didn't even show up until he got a free plane ride at the last minute. Canada is pretty regional, in a way it's more like 10 countries instead of 10 provinces. We're not exactly the most well-connected or nationalistic bunch.
That being said, I don't think it should be used as an excuse. If the SF scene in Canada actually begins to grow and there's money to be made, I think better players will start making cross-country treks. Til then, we should probably clam up and keep practicing. Though if there is another tourney, as this one seems to be a moderate success, the next one should really be held in one of the three major cities.
Some commenters are criticizing the level of play from the Canadians participating in the event, saying they did not match up well to some of the pros in attendance. However, the event did not exist to claim otherwise. Instead, the stated goal of it was to help Canada "level up" its game and show its players what they had to do to become internationally competitive. This was said a number of times by the commentators and so on.
So, I think it is important to note that the Canadians stayed humble and put on a good event, and JSMaster had a good showing as well. These are things to respect.
@Mr_Clack
What are you talking about? Daigo didn't use Ryu because Mago can beat his Ryu with Fei-Long (As seen in OGG2 and the High Roller's Tournament the night before) and Mago didn't use Fei-Long because Daigo can beat his Fei-Long with Guile (As seen in Winner's Finals), there was no sandbagging going on, Mago just got outplayed, why would Mago pass up an extra 2K?
This is unrelated to Daigo vs. Mago, but just because Air beat Justin Wong and just because JS Master beat Justin Wong and Mike Ross doesn't mean that Canada is better than the US at SSF4, you're ignoring all of previous times that US players have beaten Canadian players at SSF4. Chi-Rithy didn't make it out of pools at Evo 2K10, Arturo beat all of Canada's top players at T11, Air lost to Justin Wong at SBO, JS Master didn't come within the top 16 at SB:R and Justin Wong OCV'd team Canada twice in a row. If Canadian players consistently place top 8 at US tournaments then and only then can you safely say that Canada is better than the US at SSF4.
You guys hating on Canada have got to remeber some things; Canada is massive and it has a smaller population than that of London. The level of play brought by some of the Canadian players was sick and it looked like an awesome event, I would have loved to have gone and also I believe this wasn't all of Canadas top players representing from what I heard on the live stream.
love > hate
F you haters
stay free, canaderp. Keep making excuses. Why is evo not on east coast or cali? Why is seasons' beatings in ohio (farmland)?
Great to see Daigo back on top. Glad to see his skills with a different character. Seems like all the top players have a backup up their sleeve, except Mike Ross-his Honda is remarkable.
Hard not to be happy for Gootecks, he puts a ton of fun SSF4 related stuff online. Great to see him in top 8.
Congrats to all.
Canada showed up and put USA on noticed. Everyone saying Canada is free better realize that USA didnt get top 3. JSmaster was on point and beat everyone who is everyone there. Oh and SBR team Canada eliminated team Japan for those of you that dont remember, and JSmaster beat a bunch of big names there too.
PS. Ive never even been to Canada
only 3 americans participated, yet canada has put the usa on notice? lol im loving this..... Nevermind Jwong double ocv'ing canada by himself.
@376
LOL thats exactly what i thought when i read the comment. Only one guy there was good(js) everyone else there wasnt worth watching, i mean seriously those guys were doin things that even i noe doesnt work.
too add to that wasnt really only 1 Canadian that actually put up a real fight the first time around, gotta wait and see if he can repeat his successes again cause after the first day seems like everyone that fought dude before readjusted to his game-style pretty quickly. Havent seen a good boxer, sagat, guile, vega player in a top line up like that so it was a tad refreshing on that note.
@SpaniardSRK
Yea only 3 Americans showed up, but 2 of those are arguably some of the best in the US, and not only that but the Japanese that the Canadians were putting on notice as well.
Stop hating and give Canada there props cus they deserved it.
Why are people saying "give Canada their props"? It was one dude (JSMaster) and Air, but Air has practiced in Japan with some very, very good players, and practice makes perfect.
There's no denying that there was a lot of horrible Canadian players there; people who weren't much better than your typical online player. I'm not saying that to say all of Canada's players suck, as obviously they do, but Canada is definitely behind in terms of tourney-worth players overall.
And my country held a national SSFIV tournament yesterday, and a 4.6K ranked player on PSN won, whose main I can't remember what is. So my country is also pretty horrible because of the lack of community here (no arcades, literaly, and usually our minor tourneys are held in our capital city), but at least we try, and as does Canada, and I appreciate that. If Canada keeps churning out players like JSMaster, then I'm sure we'll get to see some nice competition from there in the future.
And as some people have already said, it was held in Calgary, which (from what I've heard so far) is in the middle of nowhere in Canada, so that also narrows down the level of players there. Canada should hold a national tournament with top players from the whole country; maybe that'd change some people's views.
Correction: I'm not saying that to say all of Canada's players suck, as obviously they *don't*
And I was talking about JSMaster, the Vega player and that Blanka who won a match against Daigo.
Somehow, this tourney didn't feel that special.
Things I learned:
- Daigo and Mago was probably splitting the money.
- Mike Ross was jumping waaayy to much.
- Gootecks still has great skill to hang with the best.
- Even Japanese players counterpick.
- JS Masters has the skill to be considered one of the best if he would just stop being SO F*CKING AGGRESSIVE all the time. Especially when the person he's facing is Mago's Sagat with 2 EX charges.
Interesting that since Daigo got those noise-canceling headphones he's been doing quite well. Wonder if he'll use them for the rest of his tourneys. He has a really good Guile, I hadn't seen that air grab utilized against chickenwings before. Very quick reaction time.
I wish Gootecks would go back to using Rog in these tourneys. He's clearly better with Rog than Rose. Also, I think Gootecks has more patience than JS Masters, which allows him to have a better chance at winning big matches, such as against Mago (which he should have won).
DAIGO!!!!!!!!!! HA #1 SF4/SSF4 player ever -_-, yep ever.
@ 384
Daigo is a great player, and his reactions are GODLIKE. But I don't think his Guile is all that great. I think Guile in general is not a great character. All you is two to three moves to win. His SB recovery time should be nerfed a little.
The fact that he can release a SB during the apex of half the casts jump arc and still be able to block is a little unfair.
Very easy character to use and win with. So I'm not very impressed if anyone wins with him.
@383:
I agree with point 2 & 3, though I haven't really watched that many videos of Gootecks before... he seems like a solid player though. And he mains Rose! <3
Ross jumped way too much... and obviously he didn't do it for the sake of building revenge meter, 'cause he never really punished fireballs. He punished a crouching jab, but that was pretty random. lol
But I also have a feeling Daigo & Mago split the money. They were the only Japs there, and this was Mago's first US tourney after all... not to mention that Daigo is sponsored while Mago isn't. But I don't think anyone will ever know!
And lmao @ Japanese players counter-picking. I'm alright with counter-picking to an extent. Mago's reasons seemed pretty legit though; he absolutely hates fighting against Balrog with his Fei Long.
@389
Agreed. And Guile is free against a proper Dhalsim, a character you see often at tourneys.
@390
What you have to understand is that Daigo has the necessary skills to beat almost anyone he plays (except for a good Dhalsim player).
Also, Daigo only brings out Guile when he doesn't like his Ryu matchups. You can argue that player skill is more important than the character, but I believe it's pretty close to being equal.
Case in point, Guile is good against Fei, Daigo wins. And yet, Ryu is either equal or not good against Fei, Daigo loses.
You can't tell me that only skill came into a factor in this match. It was the character that gave Daigo the edge to win.
@393:
Truth. Daigo can't handle Mago's Fei Long pressure when he uses Ryu. However, Guile has Flash Kick to reversal the rekka pressure (uppercuts don't work as well because Mago can zone himself to be out of range of those), as well as good pokes to counter-poke him. Not to mention his Sonic Booms recover so fast that you can't EX Chicken Wing quick enough on reaction to punish it.
Can someone link to the vid of this Daigo Blanka match everyone is talking about. Also a link to video of where JS Masters was talking crap about America would be much appreciated as well. I was watching the pacquiao fight and I guess I missed all the good stuff that happened on the stream on Sat.
Daigo wins EVO 2010: nerf Ryu
GamerBee wins SB: nerf Adon
Mago wins GGO2, Sako does great: nerf Fei Long & Cammy
FChamp wins SCR: nerf Dhalsim
Daigo wins CC and JSMasters gets 3rd: nerf Guile & Rog
So that's 7 different characters that have won tourneys in less than a year. Doesn't that just mean people are learning new things as time goes on? Seems to me that's an indication of a pretty balanced game and the player is what matters. People adapt and learn, it's part of the game!
@398:
I still think Rufus should be nerfed. :(
I say nerf Guile & Balrog though. Also Honda. Not because they've won any tourneys, but because they're just too... good. Honda's headbutt is impossible to punish, so is Guile's Sonic Boom (well, sort of), and Balrog just hurts too much. Though he could use a better U2.
people dont take into concideration that this is JUST west coast canada playing really. Canada has alot of great players in Ontario and Quebec...including JSMaster who traveled for this tournament. Look into Chi-Rithy and Eric Hai for other great canadian players!
@393
Well in any case, Guile is a very easy character to use and win with. There are a lot of decent players with Guile on Live that have close to 4000 PP or more as a Guile mainer.
I've faced them countless times where none use a single combo, walk backwards, sonic boom, and then jump grab. That's pretty much Guile's flowchart, and he is so easy that many can win with just that alone.
When those same players used anyone else that required even a smidge of skill, they get their ass handed to them. Now granted, they do throw in some normals here and there, but that's beside the point.
@402 (Crispylinks77):
I used to main Guile until a week ago. Now I play Rose, and... she's a little hard to use, but not terribly. Her wake-up game is ass though, which is why I'm considering changing character. I just don't want to be a tier wh0re, because that wouldn't mean that I play a character I enjoy, which is the key to success... supposedly. lol
I used to main Viper before Guile though, which is pretty ironic. lmao
But it's true. You don't see many Guiles using basic BnB combos. Often just spamming dem booms.
@400 PSNmignon15
Yeah, I can see your point, but it seems that too often this community over-reacts to the current dominating character. I haven't heard any mention of Cammy being overpowered since Sako didn't win SCR as excepted, and now after Guile sucked in vanilla, people want him nerfed again. We're never going to have 35 characters that are equal, there are always going to be strong and weak picks. This game has also been out for less than 8 months... there is probably a lot to still be figured out before calls to change.
@403 (bamx):
Well, there's Machi from Nagoya Street Battle 17 who OCV'd Uryo's team (Uryo's Viper, Kuma's Bison which is 7-3 for Guile, and Staygold's Ryu).
He wasn't bad at all, but his style is very, very basic. Nothing flashy (and I don't mean like those combos that are done just to be fancy...), but nothing special either - just good reactions and etc.
Give a pro Japanese player a week to learn Guile's match-ups and pokes, and you'll see that he's close to already master him. It's all about the mindgames and reactions with him, although his godlike moves can sometimes speak for themselves.
@403
Ok I really don't want to get into an argument over the internet.
Yeah, there is not that many Guiles that win tourneys, but there isn't much players that are at the same skill level as Daigo.
Also, Daigo is not a Guile player, he is a Ryu player that will occasionally use Guile on certain matchups that don't favor Ryu. I don't understand why you can't understand that. He's using a character advantage so he can win certain matches. Daigo also tried using Cammy to counterpick his Dhalsim problem.
I'm not saying Guile is broken, I'm just saying that his SB recovery needs just a little bit of nerfing. Cause as it stands, that one move gives him the edge over 3/4th the cast.
That was a very enjoyable tournament to watch. Awesome matches and Gootecks added a great vibe to the commentary. Also all this debating about characters is kinda pointless. The reality is all characters have certain strengths and weaknesses but 95% of it boils down to the person controlling them. You see the same 10-15 dominating tournaments for a reason.
Wait, erase mindgames in that last post. It's all about reaction with Guile, I meant. His moves have a ton of priority and deal a good chunk of damage.
@dondb:
No doubt. I'm not implying anything else. That still doesn't change the fact that some characters just have an unfair advantage over others.
Overall I give Capcom props on the game though. The game seems very variety-friendly compared to its' previous titles.
@404
Yeah I think it's good to play multiple characters and find the one(s) that you enjoy playing. Since we're not pros, we don't really need to learn every minute detail of the game lol.
I like to play a lot of characters (chun, sakura, honda, adon, fei), but I think I found my main in Cammy. There's just something satisfying about going on a role with her. Also, people always get excited if I ever land a Sako combo mid match haha.
@411 (crispylinks77):
Well, I want to learn. I hope to compete at a tourney level in my little country one day. I've never been to any offline event yet, and I first started knowing about the Street Fighter series in April when SSFIV was about to come out. :P
I would never play Cammy. That "Sako combo" is pretty necessary to do any decent punishes with her, which is quite a shame. :(
By the way, do you play on XBL or PSN? And where ' you from?
@406
Machi? Lol okay I doubt the majority of people even know who he is and to be fair he didn't technically win by himself. It was a team tournament and he beat Kuma's Bison like you said which is a 7-3 match up IN FAVOR OF GUILE so nothing impressive there. As to mastering Guile in a week or a day. I don't care how long it take to master him. My point is Guile isn't easy to win with as crispylinks77 said.
@407
What are you even talking about? What does Daigo being a Ryu player have to do with anything? What does Daigo counter picking with Cammy has to do with anything? Why are you even bringing that up?
This whole time I am responding to you saying Guile is a
"Very easy character to use and win with. So I'm not very impressed if anyone wins with him." That's why I said Guile isn't all that easy to win with like you said by asking you to name a few Guile who accomplished something.
JSMasters owned this tournament and so did Gootecks. Shoutouts to balrog players, im going back to my main.
@414 (bamx):
He was on Team Mad Catz together with Daigo & Momochi, so I wouldn't say he's an unknown player either. GamerBee was also unknown before Evo, and he was a beastly player even then. Not every good player Street Fighter is in the spotlight... especially if they're not competing internationally.
Japanese never counter picked in Japan because they couldn't. American counter picked because they can. Seriously, counter picking exist to help the "players" not to harm them. Of course Japanese players are going to use it in American tournaments.
What's with all the OCV in the Team tournament though? Lol.
Before Daigo won with Guile I don't remember anyone saying that he should be nerfed. Thats kinda weird. Also zoning and footsies are much harder to master than combos. Combos are the easy part.
Thats hilarious, so diago uses guile and he needs to be nerfed but sf4 ryu was fine right? Because we have never seen diago use guile before in hdr and in cvs2 right? Eventhubs just keeps geting more retarded as the days go by.
There are no unwinnable matchups in ssf4!!! Look at mvc2 for the definition of un-winnable matchups. Hard match ups are hard not un winnable. Counter picking is allowed sometime and disallowed sometimes its neither good or bad, its just a rule set.
@428
The sarcasim went over ur head i see.
And what nerfs did ryu get? Other then the trade dp thing being tooken out(nobody can argue that it wasnt retarded) he stood the same. dp's traded alot in sf4 just as much as they do now, it just doesnt give u an ultra.
Is there any HD remix or Blazblue videos uploaded?
@ #347
So people fly from all over the world to Calgary but a few "players of JS caliber" that LIVE in Canada can't make it?
Show up or stfu.
Dumbass.
@438
Air is so canadian that he was on team japan during the canada cup. LOL
The Canadians were respectful and hospitable to their guests. Not like the Americans, who at every opportunity like to call people names. Not all the Americans, but a select few. Most of the Americans have a mutual respect for people visiting their country and taking part in their tournaments.
Diago proved that he is undoubtedly the best Street Fighter player in the world. This opinion is not based on this win in Canada, but rather on his overall accomplishments over many years at home and abroad. An amazing player, who deserves the recognition and admiration he receives.
Players like Marn and that other idiot Filipino Champ who disparage him, are fools. Ryu against Dhalsim isn't in Ryu's favour, but still Daigo gives Filipino Chump a run for his money.
Diago shows time and time again why he is the best. When a great player comes to visit you and play in your tournaments, don't call him a bitch. No one else in the world could do what Daigo Umehara has done and won so much against such good opposition.
I respect Daigo as a player, but I don't play Ryu, before you ask. I just respect good players and decent people. I could extend the same adulation to players such as Mike Ross, Justin Wong, Gootecks, Ryan Hart, Alex Valle. They're players I admire for their skill in the game as well as the way they present themselves as individuals.
@444 (joker101):
I doubt he meant ALL Americans. But Seasons' Beatings didn't exactly seem too friendly, did it now...
@446 : This is the youtube link to the final :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLz3Q7...
Enjoy !
Here is a link of Grand final recorded by some dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9olmDO...
The link posted by #448 was just winners final and not the crowning game.
So you want street fighter streams to be like golf tournaments? When someone does something amazing, people should just clap for a bit and remain silent? Canada cup was such a failure because of the lack of crowd involvement in the matches. SCR, SBR, EVO etc etc all have electricity in the air, with tensions thick, and pride at stake.
You guys can generalize all you want, but there are disrespectful people whenever I go see a soccer match in europe, and hoards of disrespectful people if I were to see a hockey match in Canada.
A few bad experiences wouldn't falter my judgement on a nation as a whole.
i wish mago won :/ oh well, at least starnab won kumite. i wish i saw it.
@baller600
He didnt prove that at all. Team USA OCV'ed every team. Even Jmaster's team in the GF. Two OCV in a row is not making USA free.
Besides he was just hyping anyways.
I think videogames should take the tennis approach and have seedings.
This way, winning tournaments actually mean smething than just a random event where a gamerbee can come in and be considered one of the elite.. Let's face facts, the guys good but these days...who isn't? There are a bunch of dudes....fuk, even women out there who can kick ass with the right matchups, however the difference is the consistency of winning matchups.
Guys like Mago, Sako, J Wong, Ross, Diago, Tokido consistently rank top 8 or better every time for a reason. However unless there's a type of seeding, people will always be arguing about who's the best and start the who's better than who nonsense..
People like Federer, but people KNOW Nadal is better based on results..if they dodge tournaments and don't play...they can potentially lose rank regardless of matchups. This way you don't be like a Gamerbee who's only tournament win is the only reason we still keep him in conversation. To be top tier, you need to be consistent....Period!
Thing is, I like Gamerbee, but facts is facts. Since Seasons Beatings, he's been sub par as far as top tier is concerned. (And let's just throw it out there just to put salt in the wound...he didn't have to face Diago or Sako or even Fillipino to achieve it either..)
Also coming in third or fourth all the time would also give some guys a lot more credit than always the dismissal of everybody else who don't make the finals..
Just putting it out there guys....I ain't bashing anybody.
@461 metaf4
Interesting idea... a ranking system will definitely have to come into play if this is going to eventually become as big as people want it to be. The problem is that players that are not sponsored most likely do not have enough extra cash to fly all over the world to participate in tournaments, and thus you can't really penalize them for that, can you? 99% of the players out there have a full time job in order to make ends meet. Unless sponsors come in and represent each of the top 20 or so players, its going to be tough to get a fair system in place. I agree though, the arguments will never cease about who is the best.
@ #461
I like this idea and have been saying this since for awhile now. However #463 makes a good point. Not everyone has money to fly all over the world to compete and place consistently.
The only idea I can come up with at the moment is that each major city needs to have their own "stadium" per say. A national league that local players can compete in and are ranked accordingly based on their consistent performance. A website would then be setup to record stats. League organizers in their respective cities would be responsible for recording and uploading onto the site. Wins/Losses, player profiles, etc would be shared across the website much like mlb.com
A true WORLD WARRIOR LEAGUE would I believe show that this game has staying power and would attract better and more sponsors to the scene. Eventually other countries would follow (or innovate) the league format and we'll have a global experience to share with everyone.
Let me give you a quick example of how the league would work.
Say you live in Chicago. A local tournament is held in Chicago for Illinois residents ONLY every month or every other week. Players from that area are then ranked based on performance. By the time we get to EVO we'll know which players have been consistent throughout the year and can be seeded properly.
@465
They have the site already:
http://www.tonamento.com/Default.aspx
I just don't think a lot of major tournament organizers get around to uploading all the results.
@467
It's going to take more than a site that just puts up results. I am talking about an actual league with mini-tournaments if you will setup all over the United States and eventually the world.
Here's a link to the Kumite Grand Final.
Starnab won the looser bracket final. Luffy the winner bracket final. It is first to 2 sets to win the match (so Starnab needs to win 2 matches to wins).
Enjoy.
P.s : The comments are in french, done by Ken Bogard, a very famous french commentator.
@#471
You're absolutely right - it's a long ways off. However there's already enough sponsors to at least jump start it. Start in a few select major cities then eventually expand out. You can't expect a GIANT league to spawn overnight.
@474
Yup - hopefully we start to see something develop before 2015. I think the improvement in netcode should help as well. EVO Online should be very interesting, although that is a few years from being viable. As lag starts to drop though, that is how rankings could be determined down the road.
@475
I think online might take awhile, but local offline tournaments like the ones I mentioned above could be organized right now. I mean hell, just two years ago players weren't even being sponsored. The scene is growing, it's time to support that growth with an official league.
@476
Totally agree, it would be great to see it go to the next level.
To somewhat disagree with you though on a totally previous point, I don't think GamerBee is a fluke, I have a feeling he'll be around for awhile, but time will tell. Just my opinion. He's another player that falls into that tough to travel category. I don't believe he is sponsored, so unless he is attending NorCal, I don't think we'll see him outside Taiwan again until EVO 2011.
All on these factors I thought about before I posted this idea, however..when its all said and done, it boils down to one thing....funding!
- It would have to start at the top from a globally respective unbiased organization. Their function would be like the mediator. Kinda like the governor of a league..to keep the whole thing regulated with rules guildlines, and setup of approved tournaments (in this case Capcom should be the obvious choice...not sure about shoryuken.com..?)
- then, just like what KineticPoet (#465) suggested, divisions are created either by respective states, or country and are represented in each tournament or major tournament..
HOWEVER..there's still the issues of funding...major companies like Madcatz, EB Games, GameStop, Toys R Us, Wal Mart, etc. would have to come on board to help out lesser divisions...cause if not, yes..there would be powerhouse states or countries who would always dominate. ie: Cali, NY, Tokyo, etc..
Its simple: DOLLARS MAKES SENSE! (pun intended)
People need money, and if there isn't money to be made, people are not going to quit their day jobs & take videogaming seriously. Resulting in companies not seeing the true potential in sponsorship..
At least Madcatz gets it......its a start.
Evo has seeds....As far as I know sf4 in 2009 and ssf4 in 2010 had them
@479
Seeding based on what? Previous Evo's or on global tournament results...that's the problem. Its biased. It cant be that EVO is the only true guide to who's who and the whats what of ranking or even true high tier players..
How many Japanese applicants are there for each EVO? We know that when Sako, Tokido, Diago or Mago enters Japanese Tournaments there's a much higher level of CONSISTANT skill to contend with unlike the states. This is not saying that there isn't high level skills in the US..However, what about Canada? Europe? Germany? Who's to say? XBOX live?! PSN?!!
These questions can't be answered because those high level players have lives and ONLY play online or in close proximity tournaments. So unless people are craving attention or organized tournaments are posting results on a global Site that everybody knows about...there's no way to have an unbiased Seeding or Ranking. (And as far as I'm concerned...YouTube just isn't valid due to validation of source of the uploaded content or video editing concerns)
EVO can be one of many Major tournaments or even a playoff platform, to decide final standings of a years duration...but for one tournament result to have players make comments like "So and so beat J. Wong at EVO so he MUST be better" even if it was convincing...is ridiculous!
EVO is trying though, I must admit using XBOX live as a cheap tool to find new Talent and potential high level players out there...however, its still flawed. (multiple IP's, players taking turns between rounds to confuse competition...even lag.)
Its a start in the right direction...just as long as we don't just settle for this as the only solution.
A little late (I only just registered) but I need to add that the whole event, even from just the stream, was very entertaining.
This was the first tournament I ever saw, and it left me yearning for more (as well as dazed at how good people can get at SSFIV).
Thanks, Team Sp00ky, for all the time you put into the great presentation!
No way can someone be considered a high level player by playing on the internet, you gotta beat somebody to be somebody, and not on the internet. If those players can't come out to the 2 biggest tournies in the world evo and tougeki, it's of their own fault. Gamerbee did it, now he's a well known player. Js masters came out to seasons beatings and got sent home early, but he does decent at at CALGARY event where the competition is free, all of a sudden this guy think's he's a big shot...
@ SpaniardSRK
It's their own fault if they don't go to the tournaments? That's bullsh*t. GeoM MoDInside wanted to go to Evo, but they didn't let him in the US. He didn't get his papers, visum or whatever you call it.
And what about the financial? Most players just don't have the money or the time to travel the world to play at Japanese or American tournaments. I don't know what GamerBee does or where he got the money to go to Evo and after that go to Seasons Beatings and after that spending staying like a month in the USA till after Socal regionals. What is he rich or spoiled or something else?
Great for him that he can do that. But you shouldn't say that it's the players their own fault if they don't go to the big tournaments. I know I can't afford to go those tournaments.
Go Mago!