A new guide comparing the throw ranges of Super Street Fighter IV's 35 cast members has been posted here on EventHubs.com.
GREAT!
but is there also going to come a command throw comparison? since it's very interesting for my honda, zangief and hakan play.
I like the first sentence : "has been posted here on Eventhubs". Yeah, trying not to feel guilty about Maj closing his website? http://sonichurricane.com/?p=5222
I just read his article and man, I hope you guys choke on your big money.
Anyway, screw you eventhubs for hurting the community. Oh yeah, after copy-pasting from the other websites, feel free to close my account.
@ Kalucard I don't care about other sources if eventhubs provide all the SF news for me... big props to them
@Kalucard
I strongly disagree with Maj's statements he made on his website.
To put it simply, it's a load of crap. Of course, he never talked to me about this at EVO — or at any other time. It would have been nice to know he felt this way so things could have been worked out differently, but I was never given the chance.
Always nice to find out someone hates your guts when you have no idea.
I have supported and credited Maj on COUNTLESS occasions for his work on SonicHurricane and Combovid.com. If you look around EventHubs, I think you'll find more links to his sites than on ANY other place on the internet.
Nice to see how I was treated and thought of for that.
Again, his statements are false and I think it's really crappy to see someone do this.
Come on. You know what Maj is saying is true. Even if you do link to his site, it's not like you give incentive to go to his site when you embed his content.
I don't think you're necessarily wrong for that... and he should expect people to embed his stuff, but if you really were about helping the community, you'd be about helping content providers as well, since they are what the community (and you) really needs.
You can see the comments on this thread alone... EventHubs constituents are largely people that are new to the scene... don't know any of the people that have been extremely important to the scene for a very long time... and don't care about supporting them. If you care about that, then you have to make them support them. it's EXTREMELY easy for you to have been doing that all along, if that was a concern for you.
My argument is that it never had to be a concern for you (which doesn't make you evil or anything), so Maj is kinda naive in his anger over this... but to come out as if you DO care, is kinda silly.
He's also right that you don't actually do anything yourself.
This very article is proof of that.
You have two different accounts of the same information. You say there's a debate... but that's just like the media now always claiming there are two equal sides to a story, when there's really only one truth... and a lot of nonsense. Throw range is hard data. It's not opinion. If you saw two accounts, instead of stealing them both, and qualifying both of them as potentially being inaccurate, you could have *gasp* done some testing yourself to see which one (if either) was the correct data... but that would have required actually doing something. So Maj is definitely correct in this assessment.
I agree with HAV. Maj is upset but I think he has the right to be upset. I know that you give him credit for his work but it would be better if you actually linked his contents to his Website instead of embedding his stuff. He created a lot of stuff, footsie guides, combo videos, etc whereas you just refer to his work by embedding his contributions on EH. Saying that his statements are false is wrong, you have different point of views, and should respect his, and not saying what he said is false.
@HAV
I don't promote older members of the community? Ever read this article by chance? http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/de...
It was a top 10 list of people/sites I thought contributed the most stuff during the entire 2009 calendar year.
Have you ever seen Alex Valle, John Choi or Daigo's names mnetioned on this site? I think if you do a VERY brief scan of the front page articles, you'll find their names — all over the place on the site. I think these guys have contributed a thing or two to the community during their time in it.
I care a ton about the community, I wouldn't run this site, devote an insane amount of hours and work my butt off if I didn't love Street Fighter and want to make things better.
What's amazing to me is all of the false accusations and hate I've apparently generated without knowing it.
If this was such a big deal to Maj, why didn't he take -literally- 5 minutes to let me know? There's places to contact me all over this site, I met him at EVO, yet this is the first time I hear of this from him.
As far as not doing anything myself. You're right. I didn't spend 8 hours working on this article yesterday, staying up until 4 a.m. in the morning testing out the information to the best of my ability and compiling it and making sure it was as accurate as I could make it. I didn't get just 4 hours of sleep, so I could wake up and post more news and start getting information ready for the day.
As a matter of fact, if you look through the SSF4 guide, or any guides on this site, you won't find any original content there. You won't find stuff that I've spent days, weeks, months creating and putting together for the community to try and get more information out there to the players. Stuff I've written myself and with the help of community members.
You won't find things like images, video and data that I spent countless hours creating and compiling.
It amazes me that all of this false information is spread so easily when if people simply took the time to look around and see for themselves, they'd see it's not true.
Okay..maj is right and he has right to be upset but i dont see any fault of eventhubs in this,catalyst and many love this game and they are giving nice info to players of all level & eventhubs never takes credit for anything that isn't theirs,they are linking the page to original info n gives the credit to someone who deserves..for eg read nyoronuru comment there,he is right he created some guides here (which hasn't been copy/pasted from anywhere)read his abel,cammy guide which are really good,also characters overseers here also put their hardwork & original stuff to community,they are not stealing info from anywhere and when they put some unique info they post the original link of info..so saying eventhubs don't produce anything unique isn't right also who did the online character usage thread even before srk huh..! so yes maj is sad but blaming catalyst or eventhubs for this isn't right..!
What's funny to me is the people hating on Eventhubs when they have next to no knowledge about the site. Saying there is no original content is one of the dumbest things you can say when if you took 2 secs you find a ton of original content.
Eventhubs is the new kid on the block and doing bad ass things in the community and Maj and other good ole boys have a problem with this because they haven't paid their dues.
That's total bs! Why should Eventhubs have to pay homage to any one to run a site? Should every person wanting to enter a tournament have to give Maj and others a bj just so they can sign up? That's what Maj is asking for here.
Making a Top 10 of 2009 list filled with the same people that are in every damn article, that all the SF4 monsters already know is great. Linking to a couple of websites is great... but Maj is talking about the actual content, and you and I both know that most people check for content. If you embed the work of another person, you give no incentive to actually check out their site.
Come on. Stop pretending you don't understand that.
As for how much work you put into this article... I don't know. I have no way to know. What I DO know, is that you had conflicting info when you published it... so however much time you spent on it... it wasn't enough. It's not as much time as the loads of people that spend more time making sure everything is absolutely correct before they put it out, with zero financial gain in mind.
Now... I'm really not attacking you. I'm a businessman, myself, so I understand the motivation to put out half-assed info, as long as it generates hits... but just drop the BS. All this stuff about love... come on. Sure.... there has to be a genuine desire to help the community behind what you do... otherwise you could have made a site about any number of other things, but to pretend there isn't this other aspect to it, is a joke. The reality is that there was already an avenue for everything this site does, in SRK. I've put up COUNTLESS amounts of information, and taken insane amounts of hours out of my life to put up strategy stuff... to run tournaments... to travel all over the country for the SF community... for no financial gain (outside of whatever meager tournament winnings I've collected over the years). All of this was done via SRK. You created a site, to monetize your efforts, and that's fine. Like I said, I think Maj is being immature in all this. Frankly, I think you are too by trying to pretend this is all about "helping the community".
As for the "hate"... there's a lot of hate, in general, among more tenured players, for anything that popped up with SF4. The community is so much lamer than it was before, and sites like Eventhubs don't help, in a lot of ways... but that's just personal stuff.
Objectively, for whatever good Eventhubs does for the SF community, I could point out ways in which it hurts the community. It's definitely not some glowing bastion of good, with zero negative impact on anything, as displayed with Maj scaling back sonichurricane, which has been around, delivering quality for years, for reasons to which he feels Eventhubs has contributed.
Whatever. I've already typed too much over this nonsense. Like I said... I don't think what you're doing is wrong at all. I just don't think it's as altruistic as you want to make it seem, either. I don't believe you have bad intentions at all, but you're not going out of your way to make sure you're helping out the guys that really matter.
Maj's complaint is that Eventhubs doesn't create original material (false) where he does. One site is a news site, and the other was built for the creation of original material, so I don't know what his problem is.
If Eventhubs didn't source the articles then I could see your complaint. Or you could have said something rather than complaining on your site once everything fell apart. If you didn't like your stuff being embedded, you could have disabled that. But you didn't. And you don't seem to have a problem with SRK embedding your videos even though almost no original content is on their front page.
"For the last three months, SRK has consistently posted game industry news faster than eventhubs." Don't care who has it faster, Eventhubs's layout and content tends to be better organized. I don't go to SRK for news because whoever writes it sucks.
@ #18
Meh. Eventhubs pays tribute to Daigo and Valle. That's about it. New age SF players have no idea about SF history. Even recent history....
I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. I don't think it's Eventhubs role to do that. I don't think it's necessarily anybody's role to do that... but it's definitely not getting done right now, for whatever that's worth.
I've been in this scene for close to a decade. I could throw out hundreds of names that most of you have never heard about... from organizers, to video contributors, tutorial contributors, tournament winners... etc.
And again.. all we're even talking about here is empty homage. We're not even talking about real credit. Linking to somebody's site in generic fashion, or mentioning the last thing somebody did on live stream is cool... giving somebody "credit" for work is fine... linking to the content that they put out to try to make their efforts worth their own while, is very different. That's meaningful credit.
Funny the visitors,the other sites get now is half due to eventhubs only,if hubs dont link their pages many people will never came to know that something like that exist & still what they do they enjoy that profit n still blame hubs for it(what the ****)..and i am pretty sure maj and his supporters have never looked in forums section of hubs,,if they would have,then they won't be saying s**t like eventhubs dont produce original things..!
@HAV
You're right, I never linked to SonicHurricane at all, it didn't happen in all of these articles:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/fe...
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/ja...
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/ma...
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/fe...
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/fe...
This is just a sampling, you can find a ton of others.
I also never mentioned SonicHurricane in the headline of stories — the most visible part of an article so readers would know exactly where it came from — on countless occasions. Oh wait, I did.
I also didn't link to Maj's new site, Combovid.com and tell people it had good content. Oh wait, I did.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/se...
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/oc...
HAV, you really don't know what you're talking about.
@ struggs
fully agreed,eventhubs produce latest content faster than any other site,even srk has time diff of like 2 hours sometimes ..!
You're funny. I like you.
That's all fine, but you continue to ignore the one thing that Maj is actually saying... which is that you embed his content, and the one thing that I'm saying, which is that by embedding his content, you take away the incentive to actually go to the source site.
Again... PLEASE stop pretending you don't understand that.
Like I said already... I think Maj is being immature in his expectations. He should know you're gonna embed his stuff.. but PLEASE stop trying to patronize me with this nonsense. You know exactly what I'm saying... and I'm not even trying to make you out as a bad guy for doing what you're doing... but come on.
Again... like I said... I think Maj's side of this is pretty immature.. I've said that how many times already?
All I'm saying about you is that you post up other people's content for you own gain, and a mere link, after already posting the meaningful content on your own site, while it satisfies whatever requirements you have to meet to formally credit someone, doesn't actually help the content providers in much of a meaningful way.
As a guy trying to make money, it's fine. As a guy trying to help the community, in a short-sighted view, it's good too, because it helps the fans. It gives the fans a one-stop shop to get to whatever important, entertaining, informative stuff there is out there.
In a more comprehensive view, embedding the work hurts the community by failing to incentivize the content providers, which ultimately hurts the fans too, when a guy like Maj, a MAJOR contributor for years, decides to scale back because of it.
That's all I'm saying.
Wow even SRK guys are going at it about this. But doesn't SRK does it as well? (just curious) Also most of the reasons people give is lame toward the site wars because scrubs gather there yadda, yadda all it does is Isolate the community as a whole since people want to learn but a times certain people have uppity attitudes towards the ones just starting out, like the fanboys of 3s for example and how much they dislike 4.
@HAV
Basically -everyone- I've talked to constantly wants me to embed their stuff. Most people are very happy when I post their content, and some send me thank you emails for doing so.
I totally thought Maj was fine with this, and again I'm shocked to hear otherwise. If there's ANYONE else out there who feels like I shouldn't be embedding their stuff, all they ever have to do is contact me. It's ALWAYS been this way and as far as I am concerned, it will always be that way.
I see your viewpoint is that embedding hurts the community and that's that. I have a very different opinion, and I think most of the people who do content also agree that embedding is a good thing and helps them get more exposure — or they would disable it, as basically every modern video sharing site allows you to do.
@Grimmjow316
SRK does the exact same thing as Eventhubs, but Maj didn't call them out you're spot on.
Eventhubs is new school and the old school players don't like them because of it. It's like hating on Vangief because he hasn't been around for 15 years and uses a pad. It's elitism and it's beyond dumb. We don't need people acting like this, we need people who support and invite everyone into the community and that's why Eventhubs is a great site because they do this. Haters gonna hate because they're not getting things their way.
No, my stance isn't that embedding hurts the community and that's that.
Embedding is great for people that don't have sites of their own, and just provide content via YouTube, with no other avenue.
Taking people's work, and crediting them is great for people that just want the e-fame. For people that have put up their own sites... it's not so great.
Again... I don't think you're wrong, at all, for doing what you're doing. Just don't be so damn shocked when there are one or two people that don't appreciate it.
As for SRK... I think SRK front page sucks, for all sorts of reasons... and they already know that.
As for the sentiment towards new players, most of the attitude towards newer players comes from the fact that this latest generation of players has had no interest in coming into the scene as it was, but rather, in tailoring the scene towards their new specific needs and wants. There's a disgusting sense of entitlement among the new crowd of players, there's a lame new fandom in the scene that didn't used to be there... and at the same time, there are all these new school know-nothing, know-it-alls that think they know how the scene works, after attending one, two, or.. hell... zero events.
All the stream monstering, YouTube/EventHubs/SRK front-page commenting idiots give the newcomers a really bad name, and it's hard to like you all, when most of you don't go anywhere, but want to tell those of us that have been around for ages how we should behave around these players that you don't know at all, but idolize. It's really lame, and pathetic, so that's why there's such a negativity associated with it.
The large majority of players don't know their sh--, but want to act like they're top players, or they should have the same say as players that actually know a thing or two. I could go on and on about that, and I think it's a generational thing, among a LOT of people in the current SF4-playing demographic, but whatever.
/old man.
Seriously I checked out the forum on this subject and some of those guys aren't any better than the trolls on the comment sessions on this site. This isn't directed on anyone in this particular article.
#32
I can't think of any real player that doesn't respect Vangief. I don't know anybody that hates on Vangief because he's new and doesn't use a pad.
For one thing, Vangief isn't new at all. He's been playing in Norcal for like 20 years.. just not on a national level... and as for the pad thing... again... no real players give a damn what you use.. especially when you have easily the best execution of any Gief player in the country...
I don't know what you're talking about with that one.
@HAV I think he was using it as an example of age (maybe) but my deal is each community will always have it's two sides of the coin the good and bad in this case it's a matter of how the older generation tries and help the newbies out from this Generation, even though some of the new generation isn't always very cooperative but then again you can always teach an old dog a new trick every once in a while.
There's the disconnect. The scene shouldn't have to be about "helping the newbies out". The scene should be about being what it is. A competitive environment for whomever wants to join. The scene isn't overly harsh to newcomers... it's just not going out of its way for any group of players... new or old. You come out... you play. You learn... you improve... you win... you lose... you make friends in the process. That's it.
The new generation has wanted the scene to be more than that, and to cater to them, so that they feel comfortable, but the SF scene has always been about asserting yourself in a harsh environment, because that's what the game is. The older generation (including myself, though I was at the tail of this) came up in arcades, and there was never any welcome mat laid out. You just had to muster up the confidence to want to test yourself, and that's still what it is. The fact that the new generation wants that to change... for them.... a group that largely hasn't come out to even experience what it's really like... is yet another reason older players don't like what the new guys represent.
Obviously there are two sides to this issue each with its own compelling argument, but I don't think Maj should be so hateful towards Eventhubs while speaking in such extremes. As mentioned before, this site does have original content, maybe not created by Catalyst himself, but VOLUNTARILY submitted to the site by its creators. Hell, you could also say this site itself is original content created by Catalyst.
I've been playing fighting games since I was a kid with SF2, KOF, World Heroes (lol), but never really got into the scene until SF4. Honestly, no site out there aggregates and organizes news and information like Eventhubs. Catalyst did a great job with the site design where everything is easy to read and find. I can check the site a couple times a day, and I’d be up to date on what’s happening in the SF world.
Without this site, I would have never known big names like Valle, Daigo, etc., all the history behind the games, and gotten so hyped about watching streams of people playing street fighter. Hell, as much as I love Maj’s stuff, I would have never found his site if I didn’t see it linked on Eventhubs. Maj says this site is taking away page views from his site, but he’s forgetting he may have never gotten many of those hits if Eventhubs never gave him exposure. I started to check sonichurricane a couple times a week after seeing his TA combo videos on Eventhub.
@Tmfan
Many of the guides, like this one, were created by me, here's links to others. Many more as well.
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2008/...
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2010/...
http://www.eventhubs.com/guides/2009/...
Just pointing that out.
Thank you for the nice post.
#38- No.... The last generation of players came up on PS2... not arcades... so... no. The scene has gone through loads of change over the years. The problem now is that the scene is being dictated by players that don't even come out. Stream monsters and YouTube/Eventhubs commenters have a voice now, and to a lot of us, THAT is ridiculous.
#39- It's cool you've gotten into watching streams, but you are the exact kind of player a lot of people in the scene wish didn't exist. So you (think you) know who Valle is, and you watch streams..... why are we supposed to be grateful for that?
If you would actually participate in a tournament, we'd care, but for now you're just another voice from somebody that doesn't participate, and there are already way too many of those.
Eventhubs, AND SRK now, promote this fandom, which doesn't do any good for the community that promoting competition wouldn't do. To me, it's a waste of a platform. I've seen attendance at events go down (outside of the biggest events), while stream numbers go up. The right stuff isn't being promoted. Even at tournaments now, you see people asking for Justin's autograph, instead of trying to best him on the screen. It's weak, and it's the kind of nonsense we get by having fan sites, and catering to the weak sensibilities of a lot of the new generation.
@41
So, unless I participate in tournaments, I don’t matter? Isn’t that the kind of elitist attitude that almost killed off the fighting game scene for being so unapproachable? The fighting game scene is finally thriving again because SF4 made the genre mainstream again.
Does that mean casuals like me are going to fill into the community? Yes, but there is nothing wrong with that. Didn’t most hardcore players begin to play competitively because they picked up a game and loved it enough to get serious about it?
I may never participate in tournaments because frankly I suck, but I love the damn game. To me, fighting games have become a sport. And as all sports, you’ll have fans who play casually for fun and competitors who are in it to win it.
1. eventhubs site layout is way better than sonichurricane or SRK TBH. I like how you can see the comments in one page and not have to cycle through numerous comment pages.
2. although SRK's video section is awesome.
3. Seriously though, it's these "stream monsters", new age players, eventhubs commenters, fanboys, etc that made street fighter famous again.
Gotta agree with TMFAN, this HAV guy is an elitist. Who cares if someone asks Justin for an autograph.
This is basic rage because at the end of the day EventHubs caters to a wider audience than SRK and the vet sites do.
SRK is not exactly a nice place and there's way too much egos and trash talking there. Sure they post hi level strats and stuff like that, but they don't have the artwork, or the friendlier format that event hubs does.
That's SRK's and Maj's problem if they over-catered to the hardcore and have barriers of entry to newcomers. Just as SF4 opened SF back up to mainstream gamers, the websites need to do the same. EventHubs does this, even if SRK and Maj don't and that's no-one's fault but theirs.
Look at Cross-counter. Everyone likes the show but look at how popular the more casual approach to the Live troll games is. Case in point.
Keep it up here, you do a great job and don't let sourness imply otherwise.
And at the end of it all, people will go to the site they like the most - this is how the world and business works. Maj could adapt to the formula if he wanted rather than complain that his approach isn't working as much as it used to.
@Kalucard and HAV - Goddamn, you two should kiss and run off into the sunset together over your self-imposed boycott that - I'm positively sure about - 95% of us on this website could really give a crap about.
Me being just one of the so-called "douchebag newbies" that the high-and-mighty elitist supreme hardcore dorks have such visible disdain for, I cannot vouch for the webmaster's alleged conduct of copypasting. Nor can I sympathize with Maj over his grief of people not crediting him for his hard-earned work.
Whatever. Just being a Douchebag (the moniker comes from people calling me that numerous times here on the forums), my sole purpose is to gather news info on everything that is Street Fighter. The rest is inconsequential to the majority of us, I believe.
I'm sorry HAV but that type of attitude doesn't help the community either most of the new generation watched streams and that's what gets them to play in tournaments later on when they can. I watch streams as well and have done some online tourney's (yes I know they probably don't mean anything to you) to someday get myself in form for a real tournament whenever I find the time for them. But just because people want Justin's autograph you're making a big deal over nothing really every voice matters sadly the other side of the voice gets usually drown out by fanboism (spelled it wrong I believe).
Now the problem that this sounds like is competition Maj works very hard I know and I understand the frustration but I believe that all you guys should work together SRK, EH, SH an set up ground rules for content and what can be allowed and shouldn't. If anything EH could set up ads for Maj to help promote his DVD, books etc.
First. Gen players represent.