Update: Seb at Frame-Advantage.com, who's done more live streams than anyone I know of, also jumped in to provide his 2 cents on the matter. Note: As Seb mentions in the post, he's now working with MLG.
@7: Some dude organized a fake tourney, with a bunch of bullpies details. He talked about bringing in Daigo, Mago, Wong and etc. So, after a couple of days, the dude posted that the MGL tried to bribe him with 30k dollars, to postpone the fake tourney. And some other guy took this, and sent to Capcom, and when they saw, that MGL tries to bribe people, they cut every cord and communication with MGL.
So basicly, the MGL, the community and Capcom got troll'd by a jackass liar.
Question!
how come in Part 2(At 23:42) Why does this guy.. Mr"Dj wheat", goes on saying "Illegal Dvd business" When they are speaking about EVO?
Someone please fill me in on how they're own event is illegal
Inkblot also wrote this on that thread link in the story.
"The point is to measure yourself against the field. 90% of the players love the hardcore competition, and love Street Fighter, but they know that they will not ever have the skills to make top 8. They play for personal bests in tournament placement and for the sense of camaraderie you get from competing against other people who share your passion.
The pitch of "$200,000" in prize money is not persuasive to these players. The thought that players should aspire to make a living off SF at the expense of a real education and career is offensive to them (and yes, this is happening). MLG may have something to offer the vast majority of the community, but we don't know because they won't talk to the community."
He sounds like an a****** to me. Who is this jerk to speak for the whole community with a statement like this?
Apparently Slashered got a chance to speak with Inkblot recently, 1 on 1, about the comments he and others have made in the thread. From what I got out of it, he plans to talk about what was discussed at a later date... potentially during the next episode of Lo3? Either way, can't wait to hear it!
i dont understand what inkblot expects MLG to do for the FGC. They already picked up Tekken 6 and tried to get ssf4. Sundance, the CEO, even made a personal video himself asking people to sign a petition saying they want SSF4 on the MLG circuit and all he got back from it were people crying over the MLG/EVO thing.
I don't care for MLG, they seem to much like for rpg games and shooters...
Evo is better
i could care less but people that are opposed to this are retarded at best. All it adds is an extra venue to showcase the game, thats it. It would just mean more tournatments/streams/etc.
@Struggs
Because he's one of the people behind evo, a tournament that has lasted for about 10 years? being a founding member of srk doesn't hurt either, and that kind of means, i dunno, that he knows about the people who actually go to tournaments, and what the general pop. of "competitors" would give up time-wise to actually be great players. (Hint: look at most top 8's in evo history, they look similar for a reason)
Anyways, if you want another venue to give Justin Wong more money, more power to ya. The added prize pot only affects the 4 top players, and foreign countries anyway. I actually think he's overrating the leverage SRK has on Capcom Japan, but whatever...
MLG will prob. never get SSF4 in their circuits. It would be too monopolized for anyone else that would want to hold majors for SSF4.
Manny Camacho of GPX gaming had a lot to do with why GAMME went to the crapper (lies) and why MLG got de-bunked by Capcom JAPAN. YES one guy can ruin it for many as he did!!
The Community is strong as you can see the outcome with CEO happening in place of GAMME.
Long story short.. DON'T F*CK WITH THE COMMUNITY
From what I heard it seems that their will be legal action taken against Manny and GPXgaming.
Guess the community likes to crap on people if they can't be the big winners. Wouldn't MLG make winning/losing brackets? Team battles? Juniors/Seniors? I'd assume that MLG would make LEAGUES for it's signed star players. IF SSF4 was ever registered as a MLGame. Where does all the hate spew from?
If this happened, I'd love to see MLG teams go up against EVO teams.
Although inkblot makes some good points, I wholeheartedly disagree with most of it.
The top players want the game in major events like MLG and WCG. The fighting game scene is probably the oldest competitive game scene in the world, has some of the most unique people and players, and historic events. And people LOVE to play Street Fighter. Not for money, but for the game. I understand this. But, this is NO DIFFERENT than the other long-standing, respected competitive gaming communities out there, most notably the Starcraft, Quake, and Counter-Strike scenes. Each have been around for well over a decade, and they have LOVED their games. It wasn't the money to them either, and still isn't. Just like the fighting game community.
The difference is that those communities have been much more pro-active in organizing their games on a larger scale across several different avenues. Each of these games has had several different leagues, with several different events, in many different countries - almost all with large prize pots. The FGC has had pretty much one large event - EVO - and then many many small to middle sized events. There is no problem in having five, six, eight, 10 large events, it is not going to hurt the smaller events, and it fuels those top players which are NECESSARY for ALL games. The streaming numbers and large event crowds are there for the TOP players, not 90% of the community. 90% of the community is there to play casually and will not win money (which, I also dispute, but alas), but those guys and everyone else are the fans, the 'stream monsters' - the guys that made (and blew up on youtube) the legendary Justin Wong/Daigo 3S video so chilling.
I have spoken to the top players on both coasts throughout the past year and the general consensus that I got is that they would pretty much ALL extremely enjoy and go to MLG, WCG, and larger events if they picked up the game. This especially includes the top US player Justin Wong, who could go on record with me about this, and Daigo, who if you didn't notice, just became the first signed Japanese player to Mad Catz, where he receives salary and is being flown around the world to compete. You know, like everyone else has been doing for years. List would also include Arturo, Sanford, Gootecks, floe, etc. I'm sure Valle and Choi are supportive as well, though Valle has his own venture going on. Not to mention, talking to Issei, he says the Japanese players would love to play in all the events, they just need flights, and visas, etc. Need sponsors or large money events to fly them out, you know. Only Daigo was at last year's EVO, hopefully that changes this year.
My point is, there's no reason the SF community shouldn't be as integrated into the larger competitive gaming community as every other game is. The players DO want it. Lets see LARGE SCALE, EPIC matches 10 weekends a year, instead of just one or two.
I know this has very little to do with the video but can someone explain to me how the hell Tekken 6 gets on MLG? I mean off of one juggle you can do a 60% damage combo and thats not very hard at all. Its basicly 2 to 3 combos for a win, how the hell is that competitive, i just don't see it. Plus i understand there are issues with SSF4 on the circuit (even though i still think its the most competitive fighter out there IMO) but there are plenty more fighting games out there that take much more skill and are more competitive than tekken, for example just to name a few Blazblue, Dead or Alive 4, Virtua fighter 5, and Soulcalibur 4 are some examples. To me MLG sounds like they are more concerned about game popularity than actual competitiveness and skill level. I might be seeing this the wrong way but someone explain to me a reason for any of the things i mentioned?
@ IMSabbath
I have nothing against MLG getting SSF4. Hell I would Love to see it happen, but I do not foresee it happening any time soon. What I mean By "monopolize;" I mean Imagine all of the SSF4 circuits that MLG would have if they had it. I see too many scheduling conflicts with other tournaments, thus making MLG the "BIG" dog for holding SSF4 tournaments. MLG brings in BIG $$$ and how do you think the players would feel if lets say EVO was holding a Major SSF4 tourney the same dates of an MLG SSF4 tournament. It's a no brainer that most likely EVO would lose cause MLG will bring in WAY bigger $$$pots. Money is ALWAYS a driving factor let's be real folks.
Again I'm all for seeing MLG get SSF4, but think about the impact good and bad. Yes I think we would see more players come out and MLG could make it more HYPE ( although SSF4 gets plenty of Hype), but most likely any event that would hold its own SSF4 event aside from MLG would prob. not make the numbers. This is all under the pretense that MLG gets SSF4. Just my 2cents.
The fighting game 'community' is insular, elitist and completely unwelcoming of change. The organizers of Evo and other major fighting game tournaments are more interested in rigging the brackets so that known players (their buddies) don't have to face each other in pools than they are in holding fair, professional tournaments for the 'community' they supposedly represent. MLG poses a threat to their practice of favoritism and bracket manipulation, as well as their business model, so it's only natural that they would try to sabotage them.
@Slasher
You know there are some SNK and ArcSys games that may willing to give their games a little publicity and they're good games too. They may not be as popular as SF in America, but I would love to see them get to that level. Maybe, if the community is willing, MLG could give them a little push since they seem so adamant about helping the community.
Then again if they really feel need to be SF, couldn't you be sponsor for smaller community made events? Or would that still be too difficult? I know the community is split on MLG , but maybe if they showed they could be proactive from the community instead of doing everything to lead up to this they wouldn't scare so many people off. Baby steps.
I know people really wanted Street Fighter in the MLG, but its a shame how some people are reacting to this. It's a game, not a means to survive. Love the game not the glory. The community is strong and you have plenty of people to play with. This is a good time for the series, have fun.
@canabalistic999 Tekken is still a highly, highly competitive game that is played on TV in Korea, and is still the #1 game in Japan. Furthermore, Namco has welcomed MLG with open arms in supporting the game in the circuit, and the league.
@BlackNoob I just don't think those games are big enough. T6 and Smash are the next two largest games behind SF.
@ Slasher i had no idea it was that big in japan and korea sounds like the starcraft of fighting games lol
I feel that mlg and sf need each other at this point. it only makes sense for the community and mlg. Since the release of sf4 we have seen members on eventhubs and srk rise, fans watching streams, buying sticks etc... if the top players want to see sf go mainstream, which I have heard them say they do, then it only makes sense, they probably have the most influence at this point. Part of the problem is that small local tourneys are the foundation for this passion but they understandably lack the resources to make such events happen. How many organizers have used Wong's name just to attract attention? I know it's happened in my area.
As a former poker player i see sf and poker on parallel paths. See, i played poker before it was all over tv, and the big names were only known to hardcore players. Now, its all over tv, top players are like celebs and "amateurs" can win a major tourney on any given night. Fighting games in general have that potential, we need to capitalize on it and find someone who will listen.
Unsurprisingly, the Shoryuken thread was closed by an Evo organizer just as it was getting interesting.
I hope some big name players start lobbying on behalf of MLG and organizations like it because they are the ones who have the most to gain from larger pots, more exposure and more frequent tournaments. If you guys don't speak up (start a web site or petition, maintain contact with Sundance and Seth Killian, etc.), you'll continue fighting amongst each other for the same scraps at 'community' tournaments that make more money off the videos of your matches than you do placing in the top 10.
i was personally against mlg taking ssf4 because i thought that they would monopolize street fighter and no more grassroots events would occur or local tourneys , stuff like east throwdown and i thought that mlg would suck the beauty and the soul out of the sf community .
but after seeing slashers comment it has become clear to me that mlg will only make it even larger and benefit the whole scene and especially j wonggg who will get payyyed .
I have a very simple solution to all this nonsense , all the street fighter players switch to kof and then mlg puts that on the circuit because snk will probably allow it ........wow im so smart
you guys shouldn't 100% believe on what that MLG SEO said.
Of course he is going to cover for his company.
Alot of pros want SSF4 on MLG. Just because the SEO said some people don't like the game on MLG and the fighting community is hating on halo and smash brother that why they don't want SSF4? and you people believe him?
Tekken is only big in arcade. they don't sell as well as SF4 in console. In last year's SBO, during the SF4 finals the arena were full, then Tekken was like only 3/5 filled.
I can see this as being both a good and bad thing for the community of players. Honestly, while the idea of trying to increase the popularity of the scene by enhancing it with tournament play sponsored by MLG can be good, I'd personally think it be bad because of what a league can do.
People know that there is a business in this scene that stems from competitive play, and games like Halo, Call of Duty, or whatever games sponsored by MLG know that in the end, there will be a profit that will come from it. At the same time, I feel that this can also kill the community and some of its players for a few reasons. I'm 23, and if I were a top player, sure I wouldn't mind playing and trying to win a few tournaments, but in a league, I don't think I could... no I don't think I would want to do it. To me, and to a lot of people, games were created to stimulate the mind, and give people some sense of enjoyment. That, I think was what this community came from in the early 90s. Back then when Street Fighter II came out, it wasn't about the money, I thought it was about the skill and respect players had for one another. If I sat in an arcade and put my coins in to have a s*it load of win streaks against other players, I was happy, just earning the victory was enough for me.
But now times have changed, and this gaming market is booming. Sure, tournament play is fun, but taking it to a level through the MLG might also be bad. If people had to earn their money just through competitive gaming, it wouldn't be fun anymore; while money is a necessity, it should be with a legitimate job, not from gaming. To me, it would feel like a job, and the problem with that is if you make gaming a job, then its not gaming anymore, just a lot of stress and business trying to place 1st, 2nd, or 3rd to get the big bucks.
If it were me, and I wanted to make the community get more noticed, sure, have a big league endorse the game, but don't let them run the competition. I know it sounds stupid, but the community can run this. There are a lot of people here who put a lot of work into allowing guys like us who cant venture to tournaments to at least see competitions on stream. FADC and IPlayWinner are two major parts of the community that put a lot of hard work into fulfilling a lot of peoples request to see competitive action from home.
But then again, this scene is incredibly big, and we all love being good at what we play, and so far, although its been hard work for the people at FADC and IPlayWinner, their ability to do this satisfies me enough; there just needs to be more people that will give them the time and day to help them out as well.
# 23 Slasher, completely agree
Most of us know we won't be on top, but we would still love to see great competition more often. Players would strive for the best and those that love it would commit themselves even more. More top players gettin paid = Higher competition, more exciting matches imo
@ GCLeague
so basically you are just scared that the 5 events that MLG does, that takes place over 9 months or so will happen to be on the same date as another major fgc tourny. Considering how many weekends there are in a year, i think thats a pretty dumb reason.
Seb's FADC post is also pretty much on the money. We need more high profile people in the community like this so that people will accept this in a positive manner. Most people that post are uninformed haters. More people that want to see higher competition and more fighting game exposure need to speak up too, even if it is in a scramble of comments on E hubs.
Quote by canabalistic999: "I know this has very little to do with the video but can someone explain to me how the hell Tekken 6 gets on MLG? I mean off of one juggle you can do a 60% damage combo and thats not very hard at all. Its basicly 2 to 3 combos for a win, how the hell is that competitive, i just don't see it."
Slasher pointed out that Tekken is the most popular arcade fighting game throughout Asia which it is. The reason why 60% (an exaggerated number by the way) juggles happen is that you made a big big mistake somewhere. Launchers are mostly 15f moves, a move so slow it's not even totally comparable to SF-cast. Put it this way: "Would you get hit by Cody's LP Bingo if it didn't have invincibility?" You might not be able to block on reaction but as long as you didn't whiff a move or stand idle you won't get hit by it. Simple jab defeats it. You need actual work to get those launchers, it's not too hard but you definitely NEED to work for those launchers.
People that claim Tekken takes no skill haven't tried Tekken on a competitive level. Tekken takes lots of skill from basic reflexes to extensive frame data knowledge (which isn't needed in SF). I'm an SF man myself but I'm grateful for being able to appreciate every (good) fighting game from Garou to Melty Blood.
@GCLeague
I think you are a bit confused about how Gaming Leagues work. Basically, it's a series of tournaments over a several months where players play for points. It doesn't overlap with all the tournaments that are currently happening as usually you have to be a top player to get in. What would probably happen is that MLG is where the top players play and all the existing tournaments are where other players prove themselves so that they too may break into MLG. This obviously won't mean top players won't be playing at Seasons Beating, West Coast Warzone or Super Norcal Regionals all the others, but you will see a lot less of Justin Wong and Co.
@ Gaming =\= Job
If a person can earn a living doing something they love, then we should be happy for them and not try to ruin their lives because we envy them. If you don't want to play in a league, that's fine but at the same time, don't stop anyone who wants to from doing it.
What's really funny is how people try to act like MLG isnt a bunch of pre-pubecent children claiming to be 'pro gamers' because they play Halo and Gears of War. MLG is a sad joke and an insult to anyone who's a top player in games that actually take skill. I respect capcom 100% of the way for not wanting to be affiliated with such a pathetic organization.
@24 Yeah this seems to just be your (and other haters) opinions. Don't you think there are tekken players going "How is street fighter at all good?I mean it has fireballs (or whatever their gripes are with it)" And if a game has 60% combos does that make it bad? Hello, marvel vs. capcom; competative for 10 years. Basically when it boils down to it, more people are playing tekken, and a lot of them aren't you. By the way I don't play it.
@spotlesseden You don't even know the difference between SEO and CEO, ahem..
@SSJ3X Should read my comment up above about other community/game players love of their game, and how this is no different.
@popscythe / @TheZed MLG is not spoon-feeding you anything. They just want to be allowed to run, and stream the game. I come from an elitist PC-FPS background of Quake and CS, but can still give the Halo players their props for the skill they have.
@canabalistic999
you believe tekken is just doing combos lol? for the combo statement, it's like saying you can do hard trial 5 and then saying you're good in SF4. sure, i play SSF4 more than T6 (used to play TT a lot, but didn't play the series much after that),but what would you think if a tekken player watches a top SF4 clip and then he says, 'i don't see how's that's skillful, he's just throwing hadokens.'
@ #44
That isn't necessarily true although with all the idiot 13 year olds with the words MLG in there username swearing at you on constant basis make me really think so. It's actually a legitimate organization with legitimate players, and all that good stuff that events like EVO have. I seriously don't get why people are resisting this so much it's not like MLG is some evil community hating embodiment of evil hell bent on destroying the SF community like everyone seems to think they are.
I did like seb's commentary, but if it was really that big of a drain on him to work for free then he should have just said so and stopped. Almost anyone who has listened to his streams have been very appreciative of his commentary and high-quality video uploads.
As for MLG, I don't really see why we don't like the idea of them running SSF4 on the pro circuit. It's not like it could hurt anything at all other than peoples' opinions. The community still decides everything.
I honestly don't see why people aren't jumping at the opportunity to be involved in a huge street fighter tournament. A lot of the community seems to be clinging to this notion of indie tournaments and angrily shaking their fists at the very notion that 'the man' would try to set up something similar albeit on a larger scale.
Mad props go out to all the current tournie organisers and people behind the scenes but they can't possibly hope to match amount of resources that a company like MLG could put into an event as well as the increased attention to the SF scene that a major event like MLG would generate.
Fresh blood is always GOOD and all of these "old school" players complaining about an influx of noobs or whatever need to get off their elitist thrones as they're hurting the very game they love by denying it the ability to grow. The seeds of change have been sown by the revival of the SF fight scene, but it's in danger of being stamped out.
I think with the right promotion, we could see a UFC style fight card approach to SF matches, with hype being built up and players becoming both admired for their skills and crowd pleasing personalities. It could potentially give matches a whole new dimension what with grudges being hyped up and drama being being amped up. Now don't get me wrong I'm not advocating story lines being incorporated akin to those found in WWE, but more like the type of pre-fight promotion you'd see in the boxing or MMA world since those two sports revolve around 1-on-1 competition too. We already see this to some extent with the Daigo vs Justin rivalry, and EVERYONE wants to see those two battle it out at every opportunity. What's to stop two other stars from rising and doing the same?
With this kind of spectator appeal you could very well see SF making its way to sports channels much in the same way poker has exploded (although it's not totally comparable since poker has much fewer barriers to entry for novices).
If attitudes don't change and elitism isn't muted and stifled at every opportunity, the FGC could see another slow death as the masses will just flock to Halo or Call of Duty instead. Fighting games are no fun to play on your own.
@ Slasher
I did read your comment above about how the community just have the love for their game and don't care about the money. That's perfectly fine, I mean I would think that's what everyone is looking for.
The problem for me is that when you take something like gaming, throw it into a business proposition with MLG or any other group, sure, you'll get that competition that most people are looking for, but at the same time, I feel that this no longer becomes a game, but more so a job that in the end you may end up paying for more as oppose to receiving the pay off. You don't want to throw money in for a flight and hotel package to go to a tournament, and make it so far into the top 8, only to be placed 5th or 4th, just short of pay out top 3. Some people may say thats time and money spent well, others who are competitive players that need the money may think its wasted then.
Personally, I would think its the same thing with endorsing players to have them fly out to other cities or countries to play in these big tournaments. That doesn't come free, for the player it is, but what say they get flown out and don't even make top 8? Those endorsers would be losing money for sending them out there, and its like I mentioned earlier, money is a necessity, and these days it can get pretty scarce.
But this is just my opinion man. I mean for what we have right now, this community, and the tournaments it presents has shown enough people that this IS a big thing. I know there's more to it than I know, but that's just the way I feel how this can be a double edge if Street Fighter was picked up.
For everyone who thinks the community is fine with community run enterprises such as IPlayWinner, FADC, Level|Up, etc.: Seriously think.
These enterprises have been running tournaments and streams all for this purpose. They are building a foundation sturdy enough for corporations, such as MLG, to take notice. Everything that they have done has been in hopes that these major leagues will pay attention and help take this series to the next level. They have been doing all of this out of their own pockets, and they're ready to hand the reigns over to these leagues whenever the community will allow them to.
These top players and community enterprises WANT this to happen. We, as a community, should support this kind of change, not just for their sakes, but for ours.
keeping street fighter as grassroots and local will have the side effects of top level players moving away from it to games that benefits them more. I can see guys going from sf4 to T6 just because of the money. this isn't just for fun for them, they have bills to pay.
@61
Capcom isn't afraid of the community becoming unable to stand on its own. Capcom is afraid that leagues will overshadow community tournaments due to their superior pot sizes.
This is bullcrap, as plenty of communities have seen the OPPOSITE affect occur in relation to competitive leagues.
Talking isn't get people anywhere. There is too much noise,lies and fake stories at this point. MLG should take it a bit slower if they are serious about this. Before taking the whole SF on the circuit they should host/organize/Finance 2 or 3 single events to get the communities trust(back). Get the community people that are for this to play at/run/stream these events. And show the rest community how great it can and will be.
Actions speak louder then words.
@SSJ3X
No offence but you don't quite have a complete grasp of how company sponsorships work if you think that they'd be wasting money on anyone who doesn't win a tournament. More likely than not it's only the very best players that are sponsored and as long as these players are at the tournaments getting air time with the company logos emblazoned on their tshirts or what have you, the sponsor has succeeded in creating brand awareness for their product. This is regardless of where they place in the tournament. Hell modern day sponsors like Nike have contracts with their stars in which they pay them per second of screen time that their logos are visible on air as well as a salary.
But my point is, what does this mean to you? You should view this as an end user, and what that ultimately means is that you get to watch another huge tournament run with more available resources/manpower behind it. Those who want to play competitively are then given a choice to make themselves as to whether they want to remain playing in their regional tournaments or dedicate themselves to playing in a global league.
I don't really think you can make the decision for the players themselves.
@Brosephski I'd say you make a great point. I don't personally know if they want to hand over the reigns completely; and I hope they don't and keep putting out great content, but they certainly are trying to raise awareness for SF and create a competitive culture and it just seems backwards to turn around and tell MLG that we don't want their tournaments.
I cant believe MLG hired Seb. He is the worst of the SF streamers and a spaz. He has thrown temper tantrums like a little kid quite a few times. Calling people in the streams all kinds of things, threatening to or actually shutting down the streams etc. In his little rant he admits he was trying to attract corporate attention all along and at the same time acts like a martyr for the SF community. I have seen plenty of people thank him even when the stream was lackluster at best. I guess he was expecting everyone who watched to line up on their knees and suck his dick.
@65 What did MLG do to make you lose trust in them? EVO 05 players were paid, they never bribed anyone to move their tournaments... they haven't done anything to warrant this distrust.
You make it sound as if we, as a community, have something to lose by being a part of the MLG circuit. WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE. We don't even need to trust them at this point - they can't take anything away from us through this partnership. I don't know why you think they do.
@ Smorgasboard:
No I think you are a bit confused. I do know how Leagues work, but you did not grasp enough of what I was trying to state. You say that Many "TOP PLAYERS" wouldn't mind being a part of MLG and they would still go to "local" non MLG tournaments, but less. LOL!.. This alone would kill the smaller Major ( again on the premises that MLG had SSF4). Do you think that EVO, WCW, ECT would get many players entering if lets say Daigo, Justin, Alex, EMP, etc. would not go to them? Many non pro players go to these events alone just to get the chance to play TOP players. TOP PLAYERS not only bring the HYPE, but in most if not all Major events they bring in PLayers. Remember GAMME??? THE 5v5 JAP vs USA. THIS WAS THE HYPE (lie too lol).
MLG would bring in TONS of non pros to their circuit if they could get most the TOP players to enter. You best believe that!
THe Small fries under MLG ( which would be other MAJORS) wouldn't even compare. And YES I know that their is a series of tournaments that MLG does. If SSF4 took on that series, again back to my original statement/ opinion..DO you really think they would want to venture elsewhere ( small fries)????? This could hurt the non MLG community.
This is all ASSumption :)
By the way.. I see a lot of people writing as if they represent the TOP PLAYERS. As I stated before... I want to hear JW, EMP, Alex Valle, Daigo, so on so forth.. say " We Want MLG".. Than CAPCOM JAPAN would Listen.......
@Brosephski
It is not that MLG did or didn't done anything to distrust them. The distrust is there if they want the community's trust they have to earn it. You don't let a stranger drive your car but you do let your friend because he earned your trust.
People distrust change.
@GCLeague: MWC had no Justin, Daigo, or EMP and over 200 still came out for Super. So even if something like that did happen, other events will still be there because alot of people still want to play and compete in fighting games. Adding one more event isn't going to change that.
And I don't see what people have to lose if MLG had Super on the circuit. Is Tekken losing anything right now? The game was looking pretty dead until MLG picked it up.
Ultimately it still comes down to MLG and Capcom at whether Super is included, but for the FGC to not be onboard is silly. It is a risk, but you don't get anywhere in life without taking any. Plus it could open the door for other games to get some exposure. And now is the time to take that next step while fighting games are hot unless everyone is content with keeping things the same.
@70
If a stranger drives your car, he could crash it or worse. What could MLG do to negatively affect the community if it hosted SSFIV events?
Nothing. Absolutely NOTHING. If it works out, then things will be great, and if it doesn't work out, NOTHING WILL HAVE CHANGED. It's this concept that seems to be slipping through people's grasps. We have no reason to not give it a shot.
In other words, horrible analogy, bro.
The problem with community tournaments is that they all take place in the span of like 2 months, one right after another, and then there's nothing for 6 months. By the time Evo wraps up, the tournament load has been blown and interest starts to wane. MLG would ensure that there would be something to watch on a regular basis, which would keep the level of hype consistently high. This is a good thing all around.
Test drive the car
If you like it buy it.
If you dont, walk away.
Either walk away with a new car or
walk away with nothing. But you should at least give a test.
@ #67
Or we could have no east coast streams at all? All the FADC streams have been great lately with great commentary. You are calling Seb trash even though he has streamed out of his own pocket when he doesn't have to do sh*t. The scene wouldn't be growing as big if it weren't these streams. For you to call him trash is disrespectful to him and the SF community because he does a lot for the community as a whole. Many of us do appreciate his streams.He has been a complete professional lately when it comes to streaming quality and commentary
I don't understand why any fan of street fighter would NOT want it's inclusion in something like MLG. It would only be good for the community, it would bring more players, foster more competition AND bring more tangible rewards. I have been playing Street Fighter for nearly 20 years. I love the game, I love playing other people who enjoy the game as much as I do and want to push their knowledge and skill ever further. Leagues and tournaments are breeding grounds for bringing up skill level....people play their best. The more you have, and the more people wanting to play and becoming interested will only HELP the community. I have participated in leagues/tournaments for Warcraft2, Starcraft, and Warcraft3 and I have always wished that the fighting game community would eventually get to the point where there WERE things like MLG to have ever bigger tournaments and even player sponsorship. Street Fighter, and fighting games in general are finally edging up to that point, which would only increase popularity and give rise to more players and more competition. Rather than slowing it down we should be embracing these opportunities.
Yup we are all entitled to our opinions on this. What it's going to come down to is...Will we ever see Capcom work with MLG.
On another note. I really read what Seb (FADC) had to say. Maybe I read way to much into it. He should of known that doing these streams ( which are always GDLK) would be and IS a thankless job. Welcome to the real world bro. You know how many jobs are thankless..Try working in the Medical field.
I Just wonder how, now being employed by MLG, will affect Seb from Streaming other events now since all these tournaments he has streamed were "thankless." TO me this would be a "slap in the face" if we start seeing less of FADC streams to the community ( non MLG).
You know Money talks as I always say.
Speaking of MLG, they're teaming up with Mad Catz to make some MLG branded fight sticks and controllers.
#80 it starts with you imSabbath, and setting an example for the rest of the community. Write to MLG, write to Capcom, Write to the Top Players in US (And Japan) and get your voice heard.
If your here on boards like this spewing nasty rumors about MLG based on "well I heard's" and whatnot your never gonna get MLG to work with the community, people need to grow up now.
And licenses has nothing to do with running a tournament, it's simply a means to pay for the set up and allow the really, really big pay outs to the winners like @20K vers like 2k or 5k.
For MLG, licensing are everything for running tournaments. They aren't going to run a tournament if they cant advertise and run VoD for it. It costs them a good amount of money to run tournaments and they said it themselves, they lose money when they run events. MLG makes money from sponsors and they shouldn't have to spend a ton of money just to get some idiots to pull their heads out of their asses.
and prices aren't that big for non-team games. first place for T6 is only 2,500 with the championship event being 12,500.
I honestly could care less about mlg but if they can ssf4 power to em