2:09 p.m.
Seth: SSF4 Juri anime is 'quite good', but in limbo
Capcom's Seth Killian posted on the Unity Boards recently that it's still not known if the Juri anime movie (trailer) that was released in Japan with Super Street Fighter 4 will be available outside of the land of the rising sun.
He also commented on the possibility of a Smash Bros. vs. Capcom title.
When are people outside of Japan going to have the chance to watch the SSF4 Juri anime by Gonzo? — Lee
Seth: I wish I had some exciting news, but as far as the west is concerned, the anime seems to be in limbo. :(
We're very aware fans would really like to see it, and it's quite good too. Bleh. Will update everyone immediately should I get any good news about this being available outside of Asia.
Is Smash Bros. vs. Capcom a possibility?
Seth: Capcom's long history of cross-over titles makes it clear that virtually nothing is impossible, but there's no news about anything like this right now.
Posted by Jarkyttaa on May 28, 2010 at 2:22 p.m. #1
I can't imagine how Capcom vs. Smash Bros would even play. I don't know if I'd really be interested. The canon's don't exactly mesh.
Posted by CMAyhem on May 28, 2010 at 2:22 p.m. #2
Smash bros vs capcom , sounds a very nice ideia
but it has to be in capcom mechanics, not in smash bros
percentage life sucks and make your char fly away(or fall) to win is funny at the beggining but at some point becomes pretty gay, IMO!
Posted by Temo on May 28, 2010 at 2:30 p.m. #3
if they can make a decent fighting game from anime characters (Tatsunoko), then they can easily turn smash bros into a decent fighting game =)
Posted by RC on May 28, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. #4
F/cking retarded idea to cross Nin and Cap. Melee is a godsend of a competitive game and it was a complete accident that it turned out that way. Nintendo will probably want to make every character really easy to use and family fun and all that stupid stuff.
The two should remain separated.
And for Melee haters? ignorance is bliss I guess.
Posted by ricefarmer on May 28, 2010 at 2:35 p.m. #5
love nintendo franchises, not big on smash... do it but with capcom producing it or no dice
Posted by Truegamer on May 28, 2010 at 2:42 p.m. #6
Though I still play/like Melee, and I hate Brawl,
Smash Bros vs Capcom???
horrible idea...
im just saying...Nintendo doesn't have alot of hardcore Titles to throw in a crossover with Capcom
I can't think of any core games when it comes to Nintendo...
I dont want to see Mario vs RYU...
its gonna escalate into the stupidest crossover like Mortal Kombat vs DC UNIVERSE...seemed cool when it was announced,
but look at Midway now...they went bankrupt...lol
Posted by Tabris on May 28, 2010 at 3:07 p.m. #7
It's more like Capcom vs Nintendo than Capcom vs Smash Bros...
Either way, I don't think the idea would ever work. Since it'd end up betraying one franchise or another. At least with a lot of crossover titles, the styles are similar enough to be mixed (CvS)
Or in the case of TvC (or MSH when it came out), the characters haven't really been in fighting games before so Capcom had a clean slate to work with.
Posted by shannaro1992 on May 28, 2010 at 3:19 p.m. #8
tch.
Posted by Balloon on May 28, 2010 at 3:34 p.m. #9
lol @ Jarkyttaa talking about canon in a vs game. Yeah, SFIV takes place right before Zangief and Roll take out Onslaught.
Nintendo vs Capcom could actually work really well if Nintendo wouldn't absolutely insist on putting in Mario. Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, and even Star Fox could all put their piece in, but then Yoshi vs Akuma doesn't really sit well with me.
Then again, I cried when I couldn't fight as a lawyer or race car driver in TvC, so I guess anything goes.
Posted by MALDA on May 28, 2010 at 3:39 p.m. #10
hell no please Capcom don't do this thats stupid go for Namco or something else but Smash thats gay
Posted by KenScrub on May 28, 2010 at 3:58 p.m. #11
so they take their time to dub an english trailer but won't make a western release? wtf! come on capcom on, people would like to see this please.
Posted by BlackHart on May 28, 2010 at 4:11 p.m. #12
Let's just stay focused on Marvel and leave those other guys to their kiddie games, kay.
Posted by Pusha_T on May 28, 2010 at 4:40 p.m. #13
Why on earth would Capcom make a mockery of their franchise by doing a vs series with smash bros? Mario vs ryu, luigi vs ken, princess vs chun li......absolutely ridiculous.
As for the anime I cant wait to see it (somehow). If it doesnt come toward UK soon i'll have to find a way to DL the anime.
Posted by shinhayabusa on May 28, 2010 at 4:46 p.m. #14
I have never seen SSB as a fighting game, to me it's more like a party game. I don't really like the idea, maybe if it's made on capcom's fighting engine, but the idea is still as ridiculous as let's say Carebears Vs street Fighter
Posted by SAMURAI on May 28, 2010 at 5:40 p.m. #15
No need for this.
We need Street Fighter vs Mortal Kombat.
Posted by MALDA on May 28, 2010 at 6:21 p.m. #16
#15
F MK hell no never will happened
Posted by Brosephski on May 28, 2010 at 6:40 p.m. #17
I have no problem with a Nintendo vs Capcom, but RC has a point. Knowing Nintendo, it is likely that they would want to make the game "accessible to wide audiences" in a way that is detrimental to the core gameplay Capcom would strive to achieve.
I mean, it's no secret that Capcom has been making there more recent fighting games easier to get into, but at the end of the day these games (TvC, SSFIV, Super) are all still very hard to play. SFIV specifically still contains 1 frame links and very unforgiving gameplay. And I enjoy this. I wouldn't want a partnership with Nintendo to make a game so easy it isn't rewarding to be good at anymore (ie. Brawl).
Posted by Funkenstein23 on May 28, 2010 at 6:46 p.m. #18
I'd prefer Capcom goes up against Namco, or maybe Shounen Jump. I love Nintendo but they don't really seem conuducive to a "proper" fighting game. Many of their characters would have bizarre or unfair hitboxes due to their small height (Kirby, Starfy, Olimar) or odd posture (Diddy Kong, Yoshi, Wolf O Donnell) and a lot of the abilitiies Nintendo characters would have, like extremely high jumping (Luigi, Mario Samus) or levitation (Peach, Syrup, Ness) couldn't really be fairly implemented or might be game-breaking.
Posted by Jarkyttaa on May 28, 2010 at 6:50 p.m. #19
@Balloon Canon may have been the wrong word choice, but the characters are just too diverse to really make any sense in the slightest. Nintendo has a handful of more matur-ish characters that would mesh nicely, as you mentioned, but Zangief vs. Kirby? Nemesis vs. Ice Climbers? Akuma vs. Princess Peach?
Just doesn't make sense. It was weird enough in MvC2 with things like Roll vs. the Hulk.
Posted by riku45 on May 28, 2010 at 6:56 p.m. #20
@19...dont forget servbot :)
Posted by sakuraftw on May 28, 2010 at 7:10 p.m. #21
You guys are thinking of this all wrong. A crossover could be easily done. You're thinking of all the Street Fighter/Capcom characters at full scale, but they've been in other forms.
Remember Puzzle Fighter/Pocket Fighter? If you had Chibi Ryu or Ken VS Mario or Luigi it would work completely. Making it possible for a SF-style crossover AND a Smash style crossover. I know we're all pretty hardcore here and we wouldn't want to see our Characters in less-serious fighters, but something like this could do nothing but help Capcom skyrocket even further and let them continue making the games we love.
Not saying I'm for the idea, but it's just something to think about, but you can't say it wouldn't make for some very interesting game play mechanics on both sides.
Posted by VZero on May 28, 2010 at 7:17 p.m. #22
lol really guys? to kiddie? whatever, Nintendo vs Capcom would be awsome, TvC stlye MvC2 style Smashbros style which ever, i wouldnt mind seeing this game being a reality.
cmon mario faught against Solid snake in smash bros so why not Mario Vs Ryu
Posted by Luis187x on May 28, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. #23
i would love for this to happen. but i would want it to play like sf4 style
Posted by Batsu on May 28, 2010 at 8:45 p.m. #24
No Go on the SB VS Capcom. Smash sucks balls.
'Still angry at no Juri movie.
Posted by DRain on May 28, 2010 at 8:56 p.m. #25
If TvC was possible, then nothing is too kiddie. Not to mention, deciding whether a game is good or bad because the characters are "kiddie" is kind of, well, kiddie.
I'm a fan of Smash, but Nintendo has shown time and time again that they hate the tournament scene.(recently, they even refused to allow streamed matches for Brawl on Evo) As Capcom is actually big on the tournament scene, I can't imagine that they'd be able to work something out to satisfy everyone.
Posted by Gayguy_Spamahomo on May 28, 2010 at 9:36 p.m. #26
lol! xD
SFIV is a perfect 'Vs SSBB' candidate given its already well-kiddified gameplay.
Great move, Crapcom!
Posted by MALDA on May 28, 2010 at 10:03 p.m. #27
F smash that game is for noobs
Posted by Gameplan on May 28, 2010 at 10:32 p.m. #28
LMAO! that Nintendo vs. Capcom crossover is the stupidest idea I've ever heard, please Capcom don't even think about it, we already have enough joke characters in SSF4, thank you very much. Do a Namco crossover instead.
Posted by ElFuerte on May 28, 2010 at 10:40 p.m. #29
@#14 - There is no such thing as a party game, all games are party games.
@#26 - lrn2read you blind troll
@#27 - Brawl is, Melee is not. Melee is one of the most competitive fighting games I have ever played. I feel it's deeper than SF4 and near the level of SF3: 3S. Get over yourself, Smash isn't some BS kiddie game any more.
Posted by MALDA on May 28, 2010 at 11:01 p.m. #30
#29
epic fail comment
Posted by MALDA on May 28, 2010 at 11:03 p.m. #31
#29
oh and its not close to neither other fighting games that game is a party game ok
Posted by VZero on May 29, 2010 at 12:15 a.m. #32
@28 nah ive heard of more stupid ideas
@29 if smash is a party game then you should be able to win against anyone on any given day right? just saying
Posted by MrTanooki on May 29, 2010 at 12:17 a.m. #33
lol @ people who think Street Fighter is a serious series
stretchy indian men who spit fire and a fat guy who spins like a ballerina
yeah, making a SF vs smash game would be equivalent of capcom making a mockery of themselves . . .
Posted by Bob on May 29, 2010 at 12:22 a.m. #34
Oh god please Capcom disregard Smash vs Capcom, the only character the deserves to be in a Capcom fighting game is Captain Falcon. Everybody else doesn't fit the role of a fighter.
The Smash Bros community is one of the worst out there. I put next to the Halo community. They have unnecessary ban on stages, characters, and game settings. It's awful so many restrictions to make the game into something it's not.
Plus they don't even have match up data, there's only a tier list of personal opinions. You can't call it a fighting game with out match up data.
Posted by DRain on May 29, 2010 at 1:03 a.m. #35
I honestly don't want to feed the tired old "Smash vs fighting games" debate, but just a few things I really want to point out.
"Plus they don't even have match up data, there's only a tier list of personal opinions. You can't call it a fighting game with out match up data."
Tier lists and matchup data are made up of tournament results and people's opinions. This is true for all fighting games, in addition to Smash.
And I'm still a bit baffled by how people still think there's a line between "hardcore" and "casual" games. Believe it or not, most games, especially the ones used in competition, are aimed more at casual gamers nowadays. The community is what makes the game hardcore.
Posted by riku45 on May 29, 2010 at 3:31 a.m. #36
Just like TVC 90% of the posts here and people who have watched smash being played from the side lines. Yeh smash can be a party game but come on what is not fun about 4 players wailing on each other? :P It can also be a serious game with one on one and no weapons or items. Thats when skill comes into play with stuff like Perfect Shielding, Rolling, Dodging, L-cancelling, Shield reflect, Tech landing, Tech rolling, Wall tech, Edge guarding, Wave dashing (Im not a fan of this but props to the people that use it skillfully. :P).
"They have unnecessary ban on stages, characters, and game settings"...its not really unnecessary. They ban certain stages due to environmental hazards and stages that change during the fight. Is it so wrong to want to play on an even playing ground?
I think a vs game would work...I mean if a serious character like Snake can face off against mario then why not Ryu?
Posted by Adzuki on May 29, 2010 at 3:42 a.m. #37
yeah the japanese are the greatest and are godlike, they're also selfish spitefull bastar*s.. not that i give a crap about juri anime.. nothing will beat street fighter II animated
Posted by Pusha_T on May 29, 2010 at 4:19 a.m. #38
@33- of course street fighter does have it's goofs and unrealistic characteristics but the gameplay is anything but a joke.
I just wonder if ryu srk'ed mario , what attack would mario respond with.
I honestly don't know how people get stupid ideas like this.
Maybe a smash brothers vs worms series would work but for goodness sake not street fighter.
Capcom need to keep it classy.
Posted by halo on May 29, 2010 at 4:23 a.m. #39
Capcom Japan are a bunch of morons, seriously, just release the anime online with English subs, how hard can it be????
Posted by irrenmann on May 29, 2010 at 4:48 a.m. #40
^
"Capcom Japan are a bunch of morons, seriously, just release the anime online with English subs, how hard can it be????"
Doing sales of a download in such a way so it cannot be easily pirated is not the easiest thing. Neither, in many cases, is securing all the permissions to release something internationally. For example, some of the credited performers on the anime may not have signed for digital release of the work. Sometimes this happens to the extent that it leaves such a release of the work unlikely to be profitable. I don't know the specifics in this case, but in general, the answer to "how hard can it be" is that it can be a pretty big hassle.
Posted by riku45 on May 29, 2010 at 7:08 a.m. #41
@ 38 you should have a look and some video of Mugen. someone made a mario which plays like a sf character. His combos although OP, were something would naturally see in a vs game. Im not saying it should be copied exactly..just saying it would not be some bad as you and many others are making it out to be.
"I just wonder if ryu srk'ed mario , what attack would mario respond with"...Well he would tech, or tech roll or wake up super jump AA. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-8wH8...
Posted by TopT on May 29, 2010 at 9:53 a.m. #42
dude I think smash bros mechanics would be awesome! I'd finally have something my casual friends would really wanna play!
Posted by Niah on May 29, 2010 at 10:02 a.m. #43
Man, all those smash haters probably only played the game once with items turned on and crap or just watch a few vids and have never actual TRIED to play it properly or played a skilled player one on one.
Skills is a funny thing. are you guys talking about skill as in how to properly execute a move? or skill where the person tactic comes into play? I like the idea of games that are easy to play but hard in a way to come up with new tactics. I can say ssf4 is quite easy to play, but really hard to master spacing and footsies etc. this is the same for smash, only that you don't need to train that hard for execution and spend more time on your tactics, and i find that the core of any fighting game. mind game, i love it.
Posted by MALDA on May 29, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. #44
#32
Epic Fail comment two
Posted by MALDA on May 29, 2010 at 10:41 a.m. #45
#43
Dude what ever you want but real fighting fan don't consider Smash a fighting game is party for my little brother and his little friends to throw pokemon and other sh*t with easy access just like CVS 2 EO is the same sh*t with the same dam joystick up to o a move down to do amove is not rewarding and smash or brawl is a party game
Posted by Niah on May 29, 2010 at 10:59 a.m. #46
@MALDA
you're little brother is obviously not a pro at smash brothers and turning items on and throwing random crap isn't how people play smash in a tourney. doing a single move in smash is equivalent to doing a light punch in sf4, so i don't see your point if it's rewarding or not. in smash, doing a manual combo and spiking them to the floor is actually fairly rewarding since that's really quite hard to do. ranging your opponent and limiting their options is also very rewarding. if you want to see how competetive smash is, go try playing against a better opponent rather then little kids. it's equivalent to checkers and chess, just cause you're little ones are playing checkers, it doens't mean it's less competetive for older players.
Posted by riku45 on May 29, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. #47
@ 43 you speak the truth...if people actually faced off with a smash tourney player they would see that the high level game play is not as easy as mashing c-stick up lol
@ 45 you have the option to turn items off...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY7_42...
Posted by Gameplan on May 29, 2010 at 1:21 p.m. #48
Let's face it guys, no matter how hard you try to make it look like a serious fighting game, Smash Bros is still a party game with simplyfied controls and full of characters aimed at little kids, I mean Pokemon? Kirby? c'mon, Capcom doesn't need that sh*t.
The most important thing in a crossover are the characters, and I'd take any Marvel, SNK, or Namco character over Yoshi or Mario any day of the week (for a fighting game that is)
Posted by ElFuerte on May 29, 2010 at 1:34 p.m. #49
@31 ok wat is gramer i dont no but i cant reed wat usay
@32 What I mean is that there is no such thing as a party game. A party game is something you'd bring out at a party, and in that sense all games are party games.
Posted by Gameplan on May 29, 2010 at 1:55 p.m. #50
@49
Your definition of party video game is wrong. Although Smash Bros isn't a party game, it has some of the characteristics of one: it's designed to be best played between 4 people, the controls are intuitive and easy to pick up, family friendly characters and humor, etc.
Posted by VZero on May 29, 2010 at 1:55 p.m. #51
ooops i didnt mean to respond to ya #49 i totatly agree with your point, i meant to respond to some guy who was talkin smack.
oh yeah, and #48, i mean TvC had a hella simple controls scheme,but its still one hell of a competitive fighter.
Posted by Gameplan on May 29, 2010 at 2:11 p.m. #52
@51
Yeah TVC has simple controls, for a fighting game and due to the limited number of buttons on the Wii, but Smash it's even more simplified because it's designed for easy pick up and play by anyone, from 3 year old kids to 70 yeard old grandpas.
Posted by ElFuerte on May 29, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. #53
@50 Well what is a party game? If you want to make up a genre, then make up a random argument too. I'm not saying that the Smash Bros population is mainly people under 13, because it is and the tournament audience is very small compared to the overall sales, but that doesn't mean the game isn't to be played competitively by adults.
The controls are easily accessible but, like SF, they aren't easily mastered. The characters are from Nintendo and they're excellent designs. Etc.
Posted by Gameplan on May 29, 2010 at 2:43 p.m. #54
@53
You're the one making up a random definition of party game "the one you bring up to a party" yeah right.
Party video games ARE a well know video game genre, look it up before posting random "definitions".
Posted by drunkendan on May 29, 2010 at 4:55 p.m. #55
I don't see the issue. It's not even CONFIRMED yet and all these people are screaming GAAAH ARMAGEDDON GET TO THE BUNKER!!! Relax it's not official and even if it was we know NOTHING. If it gets made let's see what it looks like FIRST! Remember how alot of people whined about Tatsunoko and it's a great game. Either way If it's good I'd like to see it. I love Capcom and Nintendo products and always wanted to see megaman classic with mario
Posted by drunkendan on May 29, 2010 at 5:15 p.m. #56
@49 Yes cause megaman is not a kids game nor is the original bionic commando, ghosts and goblins, mercs, mega twins(aka chiki chiki boys) or Sonson. Yeah Capcom games are soo serious. I mean look at street fighter. That Dan Rufus Hakan Sakura R.mika and El furte are SERIOUS BUSSINESS -_-
Posted by magictroll on May 29, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #57
@ 14:
It's been announced: http://towardsmecca.com/2008/04/01/ca...
Posted by Ibuki on May 29, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. #58
livestream starting now
Australia EVO APAC torunament.
DAIGO is there too!
WATCH!
http://www.justin.tv/lansmash/
Posted by Niah on May 30, 2010 at 6:26 a.m. #59
real gamers thinks of the gameplay and not the presentation. mario LOOKS kiddie? who cares, his games have alwats been fun. you guys need to look at the mechanics rather then what it looks like
Posted by Timic83 on May 30, 2010 at 8:19 a.m. #60
How about before dismissing Smash as casual you watch a match.
Yeah it wasn't intended to be competitive but its far more than SF4 could ever be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lWWln...
Posted by Gameplan on May 30, 2010 at 11:08 a.m. #61
@59, 60
Look, I'm not saying Smash isn't good or fun, but some of you guys talk like it were the most complex and deep fighting game ever made, for god's sake. Besides, Nintendo characters wouldn't fit well in a Capcom crossover, they're great characters and all, but not for a fighting game. Like I said, I'd rather have a DC, Marvel or Namco crossover than freaking Yoshi vs. Dante or some stupid sh*t like that.
Posted by MuffinOfFun on May 30, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. #62
I love hoe the mere mention of a possible SSB/Capcom crossover causes everyone here to have a hissy fit. I mean honestly you don't even know what style the game would adopt or anything at all and people are already taking out there virtual pitchforks and claiming this the worst idea ever, because Street Fighter is serious buisness, and Nintendo is apparently run by Care Bears. Besides from what I've seen SSB is actually very competitive and is one of those sort 'easy to learn, lifetime to master' type games. When we see the game then make your judgment. Also that sucks about the movie I wanted to see it. Aw well.
Posted by Shin on May 30, 2010 at 4:02 p.m. #63
I redeemed the anime with the code that was in my jp standard edition of the game and managed to get it out of the 360 and the live container to get a clean(360, but can be read on vlc for example) raw wmv.
I'm in talks with an anime subbing team that did the first oav, so I can provide my raw. (it's pretty much just a matter of timing, as I'm from western europe (and I've a very limited time right now because of exams coming up) and they are based in the us, so it's difficult to catch up on IRC. but don't worry, one way or the other, it's coming :)
I'm surprised nobody got it released by now, guess nobody really cares, btw, no, it's not that good xD
Posted by Timic83 on May 30, 2010 at 5:16 p.m. #64
61
"some of you guys talk like it were the most complex and deep fighting game ever made, for god's sake"
that's because it is. try playing at competitive level
Posted by Shep131 on May 30, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. #65
i would rather see a poorly balanced tekken vs mortal kombat vs street fighter than a smash bros vs game, akuma wud ride yoshi like a b*itch before he shoryukens him into tiny pieces
Posted by Shep131 on May 30, 2010 at 9:06 p.m. #66
mario is a plumber who jumps on peoples heads to kill them, can grow a bit bigger when he eats a mushroom and has no physical attacks other than the jumping which ive mentioned. ryu on the other hand is a trained japanese fighter with hidden powers and generally OP. who would win? hmmmmm
Posted by eclipsekirby on May 31, 2010 at 2:11 a.m. #67
My 2 cents:
Any Capcom/Sash cross over is best done in Smash's favor. Smash is a crossover series itself and with Snake and Sonic being in Brawl, throwing some Capcom characters into a future game seems more appropriate.
I'm not going to get into the Smash debate. I respect the competitive nature of both this series and that one (though, less so Brawl's), and I'll leave it at that.
Posted by riku45 on May 31, 2010 at 3:03 a.m. #68
@ 66 go play some mario 64 and actually go play some smash coz I can tell you have probably never played them before. Ryu who has the ability to spin around like a spinning top and shoot plasma from his hands and uppercut 12 feet into the air...sounds like mario tbh :P
Posted by Pusha_T on May 31, 2010 at 12:38 p.m. #69
@64 -- smash brothers is deep? WTF ?? Are u serious ??
Posted by BullseyeXD on June 1, 2010 at 3:45 p.m. #70
For all of you who think Smash isnt deep or whatever, that you can just pick it up and play, try playing someone in smash that has actually PLAYED the game. You're not gonna win. Smash is made for little kids? Grown men jumping up and down shooting crap outta thier hands isnt? Megaman is "hardcore" i suppose? The elitist attitude to capcom is hilarious.
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