Online SSF4 matches between Mago and Daigo

Posted by Dugi on May 12, 2010 at 5:35 p.m. #1

Finally, something newsworthy.

Posted by ShadowKnight28 on May 12, 2010 at 5:35 p.m. #2

Wicked. Can't wait til the arcade release of the game to see what tricks these players come up with.

Posted by Jerry on May 12, 2010 at 5:37 p.m. #3

Lol, Daigo is maining Guile, now?

Posted by balmung55 on May 12, 2010 at 5:41 p.m. #4

so the pros play on 360

Posted by lawl on May 12, 2010 at 5:46 p.m. #5

Daigo, wut? Proof?

Posted by DJay2411 on May 12, 2010 at 6:25 p.m. #6

@ #4 some play on Xbox, some play on PS3. Some play both...

Posted by balmung55 on May 12, 2010 at 6:27 p.m. #7

well i got a ps3 hopin to play with the pros..ruined!

Posted by DomDaDude on May 12, 2010 at 6:44 p.m. #8

Now we all know his gametag >:D

Posted by CONSTvariable23 on May 12, 2010 at 6:50 p.m. #9

@#3/Jerry:

It actually wouldn't be as strange as it sounds. I was messing around with Guile the other day, and it suddenly struck me: in terms of his basic capabilities, he's a lot like Ryu. He has a similar range of normals, he's got close to the same jump arc, and he also now has a strong zoning game. And, like Ryu, if executed correctly his strategies don't really leave him open to punishment. But he does have the distinct advantage over Ryu that he can just throw out projectiles like crazy and the window to get past them and hit him is much, much smaller. Just look at 2:34 in the video, Guile throws a Sonic Boom *while Fei Long was already jumping*, yet Guile recovers in time to block the kick. Ryu would never be able to get away with that. SFIV Guile already had the tightest defense around, and now it's looking like he's got a good offense too.

Not saying that's actually Daigo though. I find it rather unlikely. But really, this whole "Daigo is so good he makes crappy Guile look great" thing needs to stop.

Posted by MAFIA on May 12, 2010 at 6:50 p.m. #10

Why Daigo is soo noob with Guile :/ he could do better than that !!! what's happening to him ?

thats the difference between Poongko & Daigo

poongko : is Great with all characters

Daigo : only With Ryu .

iam sorry Daigo if you go to evo like that ,
no chance for you there , i think ur time is over .
it's time to see new Champion .

Posted by ricefarmer on May 12, 2010 at 6:51 p.m. #11

where is the evidence that, thats daigo

Posted by Doppler on May 12, 2010 at 6:52 p.m. #12

ohh my god!! Daigo maining Guile instead of ryu?? what a big chage!!! (sarcasm), C'mon its the same guys, he only spam fire balls......

Posted by caloge on May 12, 2010 at 6:56 p.m. #13

that is not daigo 100%. in the last vid this "gameinn", who is apparently daigo, plays ryu. that is mos def not daigo's ryu, not to mention that guile fell for some basic fei long tricks.

as lame as it is, I have seen enough daigo ryu by this point, its on a whole other level, a level that does not include spamming fireballs so that he can jump in and get his ass flashkicked

Posted by ShadowKnight28 on May 12, 2010 at 6:56 p.m. #14

@MAFIA

Daigo is only good with Ryu? Obviously you've never seen him play any other games. Please stop being an ignorant hater.

Posted by buranka on May 12, 2010 at 6:58 p.m. #15

That Guile match v Blanka that's gotta be one of the most annoying matches I come across. I feel for you.lol

Posted by son1cflash on May 12, 2010 at 6:59 p.m. #16

I'm not sure this is Daigo either..I've seen a few videos of his guile and there is usually at least 15 sonic booms on the screen and 2 flashkicks cancel :P What do I know hehe

Posted by ricefarmer on May 12, 2010 at 7 p.m. #17

@mafia
are u taht stupid to think they can't possibly use other characters? its called "main" for a reason idiot and hes already used a bunch of different characters moron

it aint that hard to learn a bunch of characters, stupid moron

anywyas u know guile flash kick sucks when u dont even use it as an anti air.. guile sucks still

Posted by MAFIA on May 12, 2010 at 7:03 p.m. #18

@ShadowKnight28 ,

believe me dude i like Daigo , its really sad to see him playing like that with Guile ,

i dont mean any other games , i mean only SF4 & SSF4 ,

did you see him playing any other character b4 ?

from what i see he is only good with Ryu in SF4

Posted by anddudewaslike on May 12, 2010 at 7:05 p.m. #19

NOT Daigo...

Posted by Nyoronoru on May 12, 2010 at 7:06 p.m. #20

Daigo uses shortcuts... covers the whole bottom half of his joystick when he shoryus.

Posted by MAFIA on May 12, 2010 at 7:08 p.m. #21

@ ricefarmer why are soo Angry, how old r u kid ?

stop being punk , its just an opinion .

Posted by 8ighty6ix on May 12, 2010 at 7:21 p.m. #22

Reading these comments makes me so sad. Thanks Eventhubs, hopefully the rest of these people handle these vids responsibly.

I can't help but laugh at some of the people in denial about whether it's Daigo or not.

Please put on your thinking caps before commenting.

Posted by letsfightlikegentlemen on May 12, 2010 at 7:21 p.m. #23

@ 12 he is NOT spamming fireballs he is spamming SONIC BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS!!!!!!!

Posted by geodude on May 12, 2010 at 7:22 p.m. #24

The article is wrong - you can't search replays by username (or even friends list). That must be the most overlooked feature of replays - they had it in SF4 where you could see your friend's replays, but no more. WTH?

Posted by MAFIA on May 12, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #25

@ geodude ur right ,

if you want to see ur friends videos they hv to invite you

to their channels only . or ----> New Replays

& search for them .

Posted by Catalyst on May 12, 2010 at 7:46 p.m. #26

@Geodude

Yep, the article is referring to what MAFIA said, hit the New Replay area and look for them.

Posted by DJay2411 on May 12, 2010 at 7:46 p.m. #27

it is Daigo, it wouldn't be posted as such if it wasn't

Go look at the leaderboards, he's top of the Ryu Boards with over 14,000 BP and is second on the Guile Leaderboard by only 300 BP he has like 11,000+ with Guile already.

Oh and Guile doesn't suck...

Posted by chickenwings on May 12, 2010 at 7:50 p.m. #28

i wish they showed the player inputs, i want to see them mash LOL.

Posted by CMAyhem on May 12, 2010 at 7:52 p.m. #29

are they promoting online play!?

Posted by CMAyhem on May 12, 2010 at 8:01 p.m. #30

also, daigo is horrible with guile lol

Posted by SAMURAI on May 12, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. #31

@ MAFIA

Daigo aint good with Guile?
I guess that's why he beat Justin Wong's Rufus with Guile!

Posted by keNzo on May 12, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. #32

Uploading new videos from Daigo on XBOX360.

Check www.youtube.com/user/0xkeNzo

Posted by JerseyFame on May 12, 2010 at 8:10 p.m. #33

(sigh) stop promoting zoning and spamming...

this is why people hate 2d fighting games because they cannot relate to zoning. Some people actually practice combos and fiercly pressure you so that they can attempt to execute. Street Fighter has become a cowards game. Where people hide and wait for you to initiate offense so that they can counter. Opportunists if you will.

This is ad becaue there is much high level play that involves strict offense and pride. Daigo plays Guile like a loser...the same way he plays Ryu. He spams projectiles while retreating.

The spirit of Street Fighter is lost as countless fanboys emulate this style and never enjoy the fun and fighting spirit this game can encourage.

Nice job wong....nice job daigo.

You guys made this game wack.

Posted by brujometal on May 12, 2010 at 8:16 p.m. #34

@ #3

Don't play this game anymore then and gtfo!!! You know nothing about street fighter.

Posted by brujometal on May 12, 2010 at 8:18 p.m. #35

that was for #33 my bad.

Posted by caloge on May 12, 2010 at 8:19 p.m. #36

JerseyFame you have it wrong, OG street fighter was all about zoning and spamming, sf3 and sf4 have come along way from the old S tier guile from hyper fighting.

your blaming wong for the zoning lovefest? he plays the beastiest rush down rufus/fei long.

yes SF has come along way, but you have no idea where its at

Posted by MAFIA on May 12, 2010 at 8:29 p.m. #37

@ Samurai , it was a Friendly match dude ,

if ur talking about friendly match's
i can say justin beat Daigo's RYU with cammy , fei long
sanchez beat daigo with his Dhalsim

but if ur talking about real Tournament i bet Daigo won't make it to the next round if he picks "Guile"

we all know that Daigo is a RYU Master , but Guile ?
no way there is many ppl better than him i think .

Posted by JerseyFame on May 12, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. #38

Sure I do and my tournament wins prove that. You guys are defending cowardly tactics, why?

because you practice them also.

I am strictly a Guile player and 98% of my game is rushdown. I study under Geom Mod Inside. The game is not played by the character but by the player. Guile can be whomever you want, not just a stationary sprite spamming projectiles. The self discovery that comes from taking risks and testing your execution yields a greater reward than a spam match.

Wongs Rufus is not beasty, he is only useful because he can spam dive kick. When his rufus was defeated he complained that Ryu was a counterpick...Ryu is everyones counterpick, he is complete. So he is good against anyone.

before you subscrube to retreating and spamming as the "proper" way to play street fighter, step poutside of the box and test yourself. You will enjoy the game more.

Play styles like the ones glorified by all the "high level" guys around here arent styles at all. Its just a game of "wait and see" for them.

Watch some Geom matches or Fuson 909 matches...you will see some excellent and creative Guiles who are much more formidable than what Daigo is showing you.

Posted by OhYouDontSayThat on May 12, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #39

Why are you guys all freaking out? didnt you see Daigo redrum Wong and Valle with Guile like,... a month ago?

Posted by BlankaBeast on May 12, 2010 at 8:47 p.m. #40

Daigo got PERFECTED?!

Posted by deathheadver666 on May 12, 2010 at 8:48 p.m. #41

Diago has a killer balrog and I only seen his guile once before his LA fight club match

Posted by Doppelganger on May 12, 2010 at 8:56 p.m. #42

"But, you can use these gamertags to find more of their matches available through Super Street Fighter 4's replay system, and you don't have to worry about bugging them along the way."

Wait....you can search for replays by Gamertag? If so, how do you do this, because I see no such option?

Posted by Zidiane on May 12, 2010 at 8:58 p.m. #43

hey, anyone know where i can find good ssf4 ibuki fights?

Posted by irrenmann on May 12, 2010 at 9 p.m. #44

#31:"Daigo aint good with Guile?
I guess that's why he beat Justin Wong's Rufus with Guile!"

They tied.

Posted by boulderabuser on May 12, 2010 at 9:19 p.m. #45

Until somebody has proofs, Daigo =/= gameinn.

Posted by SephirothinHD on May 12, 2010 at 9:21 p.m. #46

Lmfao @ the scrubs screaming "he spams!!!!!!!!" gtfo it doesnt matter how you play the game it only matters if you can win in the game.... f@@king Scrubs

Posted by boulderabuser on May 12, 2010 at 9:22 p.m. #47

Actually, I want to see gameinn fight a Sagat with Ryu.

Posted by Hadookie on May 12, 2010 at 10:05 p.m. #48

There's not really anything special about Daigo's Guile, only flawless execution of Guile's basics. It's all about being as efficient as possible.

Posted by Gameplan on May 12, 2010 at 10:15 p.m. #49

@JerseyFame #33
LOL, typical scrub rant: calling some of the best players in the world losers because they don't play the game the way you want, haha priceless.

Why don't you STFU and go preach the "true spirit" of SF to other place.

Posted by DRain on May 12, 2010 at 10:18 p.m. #50

Have people already forgotten about David Sirlin? Competitive gaming isn't about making everything exciting for the audience or for the opponent. It's about playing efficiently and playing to win. If you want to see flashy stuff, go to your local casual tournament or something. Or play a flashy character and stop hating people for not doing the same thing.

Posted by akumous on May 12, 2010 at 10:26 p.m. #51

You guys are idiots, really bloody idiots. I hate reading idiotic comments. First of all, Daigo, wasn't born flawless player, he had to learn how to play the game like everyone else and that include losing. Losing goes with the game and you must lose to learn, that's how SF works.

Posted by Super_Street_Fuker on May 12, 2010 at 11:10 p.m. #52

i doubt that was daigo guile after seeing how he used guile against justin rufus, but i cant say cus its just one online fun match on 360 ... nice matches anyhow

Posted by canabalistic999 on May 12, 2010 at 11:22 p.m. #53

@akumous

i couldnt agree with you more on everything you said. people need to realize how hard it is to get that good even if you have a "natural talent" for fighting games it still takes insane amounts of practice to get to the top. As for the losing to learn you couldnt have said it better cause when you lose you see what you did wrong when you win you see what you did right but that can also only relate to that match.

On another note people complaining bout this being a turtle game or any other kind of game in attempt to make it sound bad, listen to yourself all fighting games have turteling to some degree so what if it pays off more in this game that doesnt mean it cant be beat by a good offense, cause you cant guess right everytime

Posted by ricefarmer on May 12, 2010 at 11:40 p.m. #54

@jersey fame is a scrub and doesn't know crap about sf.. its always has been about zoning since sf2 idiot

the beauty of the game is u can play it however u want it.. rush down or turtle... go cry to someone who cares scrub

Posted by Dicktator on May 12, 2010 at 11:56 p.m. #55

My god.... The number of scrubs here are are over nine thousand!!!

Daigo spamin teh firepalls ...pookgni is batt3r thin hem he knewz haw to ploy batter then hem.

Posted by TopT on May 13, 2010 at 12:08 a.m. #56

Hadokens and sonic booms are way cool, that's why I played Street Fighter II all those years ago as a kid. That, and Blanka and Dhalsim were crazy entertaining to watch back in the day.

Posted by sizzleboy88 on May 13, 2010 at 12:24 a.m. #57

to all u idiots saying Daigo is only good with ryu, I have seen him play sagat, guy, blanka, dictator, boxer and guile in tournaments... noobs

Posted by Vandylizer on May 13, 2010 at 12:32 a.m. #58

Agreed, scrubs back off of Daigo, he's good with Guile and they were online matches, not to mention Super still has a long way to go before even the top players stop seeing surprises in their strategies.
Kudos to the Capcom team for letting us see inputs in replays, this is great stuff!

Posted by Sol_Badguy on May 13, 2010 at 1:02 a.m. #59

@38

Tournament wins? Against who, your 7-year-old friends? You are a nobody telling people how to play a fighting game, thus showing your opinion to be completely worthless. Please educate yourself about fighting games before telling people what they should and shouldn't do.

Posted by Troppop on May 13, 2010 at 1:24 a.m. #60

Afraid I have to join the crowd of the ones questioning if it's really Daigo.
I can't say I'm really that much into checking out other competitors and such, but he's supposed to be worlds best and he fails miserably on simple hit strings, doesn't do a single confirm.-combo and WHIFFS with FK...
This is disturbingly low-level/simple play.

Posted by Gameplan on May 13, 2010 at 1:37 a.m. #61

I bet JerseyFame was a scruby G1 Guile in vanilla SF4, and now he's lecturing Daigo and JWong about how to play SF properly, LMAO.

Posted by Troppop on May 13, 2010 at 1:58 a.m. #62

Why do you all rant JerseyFame?
You all make yourself sound like a bunch of fanboys.
And seriously, who uses the word scrub? It is just stupid...
What he means, from how i understand it, wants to see more well executed combos and similar other then half screen pokes and shoto-spam. And so do I.

Posted by mcjeffy09 on May 13, 2010 at 2:39 a.m. #63

ok so heres the thing Daigo isnt maining guile he just likes to mess around i saw him at supers launch and he played with alot of people i sure he is just saving his main for evo.

Posted by Ibuki on May 13, 2010 at 3:49 a.m. #64

I agree with #63
I think he will surprise us all with a new main at evo

Posted by timvandorp on May 13, 2010 at 3:50 a.m. #65

to all the people (including the dude that wrote the article) who actually think this gameinn is daigo, LOL. Did you SEE the vid? haha if that's daigo he was either playing with one hand or he let his little brother play or something. Definitely NOT daigo. Mago's Fei is looking alright though, can't wait to see if he'll actually main him.

Posted by lawl on May 13, 2010 at 4:54 a.m. #66

I'll say it again... Daigo? Proof? So far nobody has provided any and if people base it on play styles then you obviously haven't watched a lot of Daigo Ryu matches as that's certainly not his Ryu. Just because this gameinn guy is top of BP's with certain characters does not automatically make him Daigo. There's plenty of beast Japanese players to go around.

Posted by hoocem on May 13, 2010 at 5:02 a.m. #67

Geom Modinside is the best Guile player ever check his channel on youtube and you'll see what i am talking about :
http://www.youtube.com/user/MoD1ns1d3

Posted by MALDA on May 13, 2010 at 5:15 a.m. #68

Dam there a lot of daigo haters in here wow lol

Posted by Suppi on May 13, 2010 at 5:41 a.m. #69

Daigo grew up with SF2, hes playing guile the way he knows how. Just because its a basic guile, doesnt mean its a bad one.

Posted by Suppi on May 13, 2010 at 5:43 a.m. #70

then again, we still dunno if its really daigo or not.

Posted by NJCU on May 13, 2010 at 6:02 a.m. #71

@ gamestyle legislators: Why do you guys feel entitled to dictate how the game should be played? If I want to play rush down I will, and If I want to turtle I will. Anyone and everyone play the game in whatever way you feel like playing; it is your experience. Don't let this idiots try to tell you how to enjoy the game YOU paid for.

Posted by SmoothJK on May 13, 2010 at 6:23 a.m. #72

LOL @ more conspiracy theorists and doubters. It's Daigo, get over it. I bet you think that double KO between Daigo and Justin was staged, too.

LiangHu is a YouTube monster. Every video I find has a comment from him haha. Thanks for digging this up, best SSF4 update in a long while!

Posted by SmoothJK on May 13, 2010 at 6:34 a.m. #73

BTW, it's clear Daigo isn't maining Guile, he's using him as a secondary...judging by the BPs anyway. 13K for Ryu, 7K for Guile.

Posted by RandomJohn on May 13, 2010 at 6:39 a.m. #74

dp is such a low tier move now. Unless you do ex dp, you trade hits and you always receive more damage than you give out. Basically ALL dps (except for Sagat since you can still connect foward roundhouse into ultra after a trade dp) are pointless unless you EX. Such a bad change imo.

Posted by SSJ3X on May 13, 2010 at 7:07 a.m. #75

@Smooth

In some other videos Daigo's reached over 10000 BP with Guile. Personally I believe his Guile might be much better than his Ryu now :/ but thats just my opinion.

In all honesty though, about this whole... game style, or how someone plays the game; people shouldn't come to the conclusion that this person's play style, or that play style is cheap or noob or whatever. Hey, if it looks cheap, that's your opinion, but if it gets that person the victory, then you probably shouldn't be saying anything. It doesn't matter who you play; if your a Guile and you like to throw Sonic Booms to get your opponent to make a mistake and it works for you, then by all means keep doing it.

Remember, that not all play styles will be effective, and that's what makes each player unique.

Posted by deteknician on May 13, 2010 at 7:14 a.m. #76

Zoning is one of the biggest parts of Guiles game, and SF in general. It was even more important in the old days as two bad moves meant you're dead. If you're not doing it you're not playing Guile well and you're not good at this game. I don't like Daigo's Guile either but JerseyFame is wrong on all accounts. If you're winning tourneys you're playing scrubs. Bet you can't beat casual CTF players.

Posted by L45R on May 13, 2010 at 7:22 a.m. #77

@75 This is a good move capcom nerfed all the dps...dp is too effective in SFIV...it makes the game way too defensive

Also not convinced this is Daigo's Guile...if it is then it's kind of sad...

Posted by SmoothJK on May 13, 2010 at 7:39 a.m. #78

#76 I'm totally fine with the way he plays Guile. Whatever it takes to win, seriously! I'm pretty sure Ryu will still be his main, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Plus, Mago would make anyone on the almighty EventHubs and SRK sites look like ass. Why is everyone so full of themselves? Armchair critics annoy me to no end.

Posted by Psycho on May 13, 2010 at 7:43 a.m. #79

So pro's play consoles...

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 8:25 a.m. #80

So Im a noob because Id rather see some actual combinations and volleys of offense instead of poking and zoning.

You have no foundation to your arguments and you guys really show your age with your responses. Old school street fighter was only poking and zoning to those of you that fear losing.

Im from a dojo of no fear. Respecting your opponent is unnecessary since all these battles are virtual. You need only respect your ability to execute, no matter what you say the community and game suffer from boring expos of pokes and countering tactics. People want to see determination and execution.

I have seen nothing but cowardly ryus and spamming sagats as well as cowering akumas and gokens since this game came out. How do you enjoy a battle when you are the person initiating the offense and the other guy, who has a more powerful character with more potential, just runs away and plays it safe for 99 seconds. Its really shameful.

If holding on to your precious battle points is worth removing the fun factor from the game so be it. Just admit that your style is cowardly and safe. Admit you have no fighting spirit or technical execution.

Daigos Guile is an infant in comparison to Geom or Fuson...my Guile is more creative. I will admit I do not have the patience to play pitty pat with you turtling Ryus and so forth. Thats my only weakness. My time is valuable and I cannot waste it chasing you around as u run away.

There is no excuse for having an A tier character and running away from a D tier.

Bring the fighting spirit back to street fighter, and Im talking to the Daigos and Justin Wongs....these fanboys emulate you. Show them a better way. Give them courage.

Posted by DRain on May 13, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. #81

@ JerseyFrame: Again, stop trying to sound like you know how to play the game the best. Since you seem to be unable to understand what everyone is talking about, I'll break down your entire argument one by one.

"So Im a noob because Id rather see some actual combinations and volleys of offense instead of poking and zoning."

No, but you're a noob for thinking that professional players should play the game the way the audience wants to see it. Play to win, not to look flashy.

"You have no foundation to your arguments and you guys really show your age with your responses. Old school street fighter was only poking and zoning to those of you that fear losing. "

LOLOLOLOL. Have you even SEEN the old school Street Fighter II matches? Try to rush down a decent O. Sagat with Guile and see how far you get.

"Im from a dojo of no fear. Respecting your opponent is unnecessary since all these battles are virtual. You need only respect your ability to execute, no matter what you say the community and game suffer from boring expos of pokes and countering tactics. People want to see determination and execution."

How do YOU know what people want to see? From the looks of it, 98% of the people here disagree with you.

"I have seen nothing but cowardly ryus and spamming sagats as well as cowering akumas and gokens since this game came out. How do you enjoy a battle when you are the person initiating the offense and the other guy, who has a more powerful character with more potential, just runs away and plays it safe for 99 seconds. Its really shameful."

Learn to play. If you can't even get past fireball spam, then why do you expect others to? Not to mention, getting killed by fireball spam is evidence that you're not the professional you claim to be. It's called play to win, not play to show off.

Posted by OG on May 13, 2010 at 9:43 a.m. #82

@ Jersey

I remember when I was young and the people I used to play SF with had a "code of honor" and we wouldn't throw each other. Then we all grew up. lol

I do agree with you though that SF tends to be more defensive, which was why I was heavily into KOF for awhile. Until they ruined the franchise.

Posted by DRain on May 13, 2010 at 9:43 a.m. #83

For people who think this and that is cheap and everyone should be playing the same way as you, I introduce you to David Sirlin. This is a top professional for Super Street Fighter II Turbo, and this is his famous "Playing to Win" article. It's so famous and so widely praised that even players of other games refer to it when it comes to competitive gaming philosophy.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playin...

Posted by OG on May 13, 2010 at 9:51 a.m. #84

BTW, I'm glad Guile isn't high tier, because he is so boring too watch...

Posted by redmask on May 13, 2010 at 10:08 a.m. #85

requisite sirlin link. these comments are now complete.

Posted by gambit03 on May 13, 2010 at 10:30 a.m. #86

@ Jersey

Lol! You crack me up with the "I'm from the dojo of no fear". Dojo...really? This is not real martial arts man. Everyone here loves SF but you are funny for making it seem like it is real fighting. With your fighting spirit and such. Lol!!

Posted by ShinZero on May 13, 2010 at 11:03 a.m. #87

Whats all this nonsense about "cowardly" play styles? This isnt about courage or cowardice, its about winning and losing. Characters like Guile and Ryu have amazing tools to control the flow of the matchup. Its foolish not to play to your characters strengths.

You want to talk about combo execution? Pro level players will easily remove half of your heath bar given the slightest opening. You people wonder why they play it so safe? This isnt comboexihibition fighter 4. At high levels of play making 1 mistake will cost you a match.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see if it really turns out to be Diago. Interesting to watch the other guys either way.

Posted by TheVangster on May 13, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #88

That is Daigo playing. Some people have to understand that even the great players have off games or they were just experimenting with new stuff and lost in the process. I'm pretty sure Daigo beat them a lot before losing. If you win too much(and everybody knows it) it gets boring and you become less careful.

Posted by LegendaryDietCoke on May 13, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #89

who knows who it is. all i no is that his nickname is the beast :P

Posted by HouseWD on May 13, 2010 at 11:51 a.m. #90

ModInside's Online Stats 7:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS0xFY...

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 12:23 p.m. #91

@dRain

Lol...who said I couldnt beat fireball spam? You infered that my friend. You may have a guilty conscience because u spam fireballs. Am i right?

Comments like #86 are why the 2D fighting franchises fell off so much. Every high level match is boring to watch because all it is is pokes and zoning. Noone lets it all hang out because as everyone has so confirmed..."noone wants to lose"

Im not talking like this is real martial arts...thats exactly why im saying...dont play scared. Be a man and bring the pain.

Stop being afraid to approach or attempt to attack. You dont need the other player to initiate offense before you make a move. Dictate the game yourself! Go for it!

I remember a match between Alex Valle vs an O.Sagat...where sagat threw 63 tiger shots in one round.

How is that fun? Cmon guys...its ok if you lose by trying to mix it up. The more unpredictable you are the better. But if you resort to spamming or running and waiting. You have no fighting spirit and the fun is lost.

Feel free to pad your stats guys...but do so to the detriment of the genre and the game itself. You guys fail to realize that Street Fighter is a small community in comparison to almost any other genre of game. Alot of people put the game down because they face these repetitive tactics daily. If everyone gave you a match...and won by being in your face and challenging instead of wearing your patience thin and playing cowardly, there would be alot more people attracted to the competition in a fight.

Sadly, you guys only want to win and will resort to pathetic means to ensure it. Yeah you and your buddies can gloat about your victory but after youve won, where is your next opponent? Whose left to give you a good game?

Before you get mad at me for critiquing your heroes...study the style you emulate and ask yourself am I really a "Street FIGHTER"?

Posted by DRain on May 13, 2010 at 12:35 p.m. #92

I don't spam fireballs. I play a combo-heavy Ken. If you didn't lose to fireball spam, then I have no idea why you would be so fixated on it.

Also, in response to:

"I remember a match between Alex Valle vs an O.Sagat...where sagat threw 63 tiger shots in one round.

How is that fun? Cmon guys...its ok if you lose by trying to mix it up. The more unpredictable you are the better. But if you resort to spamming or running and waiting. You have no fighting spirit and the fun is lost."

You REALLY don't understand the play to win mentality, do you? Just because you think that zoning games are boring, doesn't mean everyone else does. The top players get a blast out of comparing their tactics and zoning. And here's the thing that REALLY flies right over your head: It's not about cowardice and being brave r flashy. It's about winning and losing. Simple as that.

You also seem to not understand the "fighting spirit" in fighting games. In fighting games, it's no holds barred, no matter how boring the best strategy may seem. It's not about showing off your lastest combo or something like that. For the hundredth time, not everyone likes to play the same way you do.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 12:43 p.m. #93

@DRain

You comment so often on what I dont understand, you must not be familiar with who I am.

My name is JerseyFame and I wrote and extrememley in depth article on how to properly play Guile aggressively. I get a gang of emails a week thanking me for my contribution to the community. Tons of fight requests everyday as well as emails from players who agree with me and my perspective. Although I dont agree with your play style from a "fun" standpoint which is what I have and always talk about, I never generalize you as a person as if I know who you are or judge your understanding. Those things are not my place to judge.

So please refrain from generalizing me. You have no clue who I am or what Im about. Its very uneducated. Besides that, I have no fixation on spamming. I have a fixation on fun.

You have lost that fixationa nd to you the game has become robotic. Robots are predictable and predictability is what tales away from the fun. Which is my point.

These "high" level play styles are no fun to win with...even less fun to lose against. Why is that so hard for you to relate to? Do you truly believe that your point of view is the only right one? Do you truly believe that the tactic of retreating and waiting is honorable in a match that has no consequence.

Are you defending 63 tiger shots (which were thrown in a losing effort) as a good idea?

You confuse me friend. Either way. I beg you guys...

EXPLORE YOUR TALENT, YOU DONT HAVE TO EMULATE THESE GUYS! INVENT YOUR OWN STYLE! START A REVOLUTION.

otherwise the community and fun factor will eventually sink back down the....DRain...haha.

thanks.

Posted by MIRACLEfool on May 13, 2010 at 1 p.m. #94

@JerseyFame

Dude, CHILL. It's a game, don't insult a certain playstyle. Look its actually smart strategy, this coming from a player who loses continually to that strategy.
Its actually nice to have variety when playing fighting games. Like being patient and using projectiles, or all out blitzkrieg and performing rushdowns. And its probably fun for them that way as well, though I can see that you probably disagree that it is fun at all, seeing on how your comments revolve around this subject.
And actually if you are asking yourself while playing the game street fighter, "Am I really a street fighter?" Than that answer should be NO, If your answer is other than that than you probably have problems and take this game way to seriously. There's a huge difference from being a street fighter, and playing street fighter. One you're actually fighting, the other you're not fighting at all...

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. #95

@Miraclefool

Have you ever heard the saying..."It is better to be a fool and only know it yourself than to open your mouth and make it know to the world"?

Your screenname is fitting. I never once took the game seriously. Thats why Im noting that playing coardly like that "IS" taking the game to seriously. I want you guys to evolve past your closed thinking and really get a grasp on why a game like Street Fighter is fun.

You miss the point completely with your comment. Using one sentence out of my post, outside of its context, doesnt make for a solid argument when readers can refer to my post just by scrolling up.

You know exactly what Im talking about and you know that this community will emulate any playstyle they see their favorites use. These videos are not only going to contribute to more zoning and turtling, they also discourage the idea of being offensive and taking chances.

"If Daigo plays it safe...so should I!"

Im trying to turn some minds around from that philosophy, not trying to glorify myself or how I play. However. I would like to point out. You guys have been defending turtling and zoning fiercely....but do you really enjoy Street Fighter or do you endure Street Fighter to get your victory.

Enduring is not the same as enjoying. Lets bring the fun back guys! Open your game up and play to win, while playing with the real Street Fighter spirit.

btw....I want to personally applaud the new uprise of M. Bison players...you guys are more offensive and risk taking than ever. My matches against you guys are always fun.

Posted by Fishsauce on May 13, 2010 at 1:13 p.m. #96

"I want you guys to evolve past your closed thinking and really get a grasp on why a game like Street Fighter is fun."

Quit patronizing us as if your point of view is the truth. Hypocrite.

Posted by Fishsauce on May 13, 2010 at 1:15 p.m. #97

Reintroduce, 3s/Cvs2 parry, and the fireball spammers will still find something to cry about. Then lets start an unofficial banning throws because its not honorable...

Its just a game have fun with it, play however you feel like, if it works keep at it until someone exposes your game. Evolve...

Posted by MIRACLEfool on May 13, 2010 at 1:25 p.m. #98

@JerseyFrame

Dude I don't zone, and I don't take the game seriously, I main Dan for christ sakes, do you think I zone with him or even have the remote thought of playing seriously? My train of thought for every character is go close to the opponent no matter what and do something. Zoning or playing safe is not a concern.
And on to bringing the fun back people like playing this game in what I hope, for fun as for what games are mostly used for. Just because of promotion for zoning you have to go on a huge rant like this will change a player's playstyle from close range to across the screen.
I like to give people more credit into thinking that they would play for enjoyment than play to win and be sheep, because you see pros play like that than I should play as well mindset. Don't be trying to force your idea of what fun is. That's an opinion trying to be a fact.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 1:43 p.m. #99

@miraclefool

Youre losing me now? Im not sure what your talking about. But ets play each other sometime bro. My name is my gamer tag. I play on xbox live.

@fishsauce

u mad? What did i say thats hypocritical. Zoning and spamming cant be the "go to" anymore. We gotta move past that. We have to have that fighting spirit man. If we are in a tourney for cash...fine be as annoying and cheap as u want. But dont alienate the people who are on the fringe of the community by being carbon copies. Keep people interested by having your own style.

I dont wanna play Daigo and then play fishsauce emulating Daigo.

Everyone should be unique, but we all know the street fighter community follows their heroes. So everyone emulates. I want people to emulate something more dynamic....something fun.

Posted by Jaf on May 13, 2010 at 1:43 p.m. #100

Man, Makoto is the reason I stuck with Vega...he and the other Claws taught me the izuna loop

Posted by DRain on May 13, 2010 at 1:59 p.m. #101

JerseyFame: Believe it or not, a lot of people actually find it fun to play efficiently to win. "Fun" is an opinion word that you keep trying to pass off as fact.

Also, the big hypocracy in your logic is that you're assuming that everyone here just plays a zoning game and rages at anything that isn't zoning. That's where you're wrong. Few people here actually care if YOU want to play a zoning game or not. But you seem to be attacking other people for not agreeing with you on what is "fun" or how a character should be played. And you've even gone as far as to attack the best players and to say that they're not playing the game the right way. But guess what. People like to play to win, and in competitive gaming, playing to win is the "right" way to play.

Why should you care whether other people like to play a zoning game? If they want to, then let it be and keep playing your rush-down game. Zoning is a part of Street Fighter. Get used to it.

Posted by topdawg122 on May 13, 2010 at 2:18 p.m. #102

Reading through the comments makes me very sad :(

Posted by frankie3nig on May 13, 2010 at 3:30 p.m. #103

@ topdawg122
I agree make me kind of hate eventhubs now :(

Posted by Hamza on May 13, 2010 at 3:37 p.m. #104

Lol JerseyFame, why are you so butthurt about zoning/camping? I understand that playing a good zoner can be frustrating, but seriously, you have to understand that some characters are better suited as zoners, and others are better suited as rush down. You claim to play a rush down guile. What the hell is that? Abusing your pokes which stuff a lot of other people's pokes is what you call rushing down? I guess your definition of rushdown is different from mine. What I consider rush down is when you keep your opponent's guessing when to block/attack and which way to block. How is guile gonna rush down when you can block his rush down with down back position?

Seriously get real. Zoning is a tactic which is used by certain characters because it's what their characters do best. The same thing can be said for rushdown. Some characters can do both equally, and only with them is it up to the player to choose depending on the situation. Akuma is a zoner till he scores a knockdown. Then he rapes you with vortex stuff. What's rush down guile gonna do? Or rush down ryu? Spam CR.MK> Hadoken till it hits or till the opponent makes mistakes?

I don't believe rush down means not taking risks. Which is why I laugh when you talk about rushdown bisons. What do they do? They abuse safe ish which leaves the bison player at frame advantage ensuring that nothing can come out from the other player before bison's moves. Stuff with high priority and low startup, like wheel kick/S.HK/S.MK. If you don't have a DP, you can drop the pad. It's OP ish like that that annoys me, not using a perfectly valid strategy such as zoning, which has many flaws and can be avoided by nearly everyone in the game.

Posted by archer on May 13, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. #105

I agree with jerseyfame because I am also from the dojo of no fear. I probably play a 98% rushdown game also, sometimes 99% so I know what offense is. If you are not hitting an attack button then you are doing it wrong. Sometimes you have to block and blocking is ok maybe 2-3 attacks but once you go past 5 to 10 then you become a coward. If ssf4 is one thing, it is definitely not a situational game. Offense works all the time because there is literally no other way to win unless you take their health down and you can't do that when you stop attacking.

Posted by zUkUu on May 13, 2010 at 4:01 p.m. #106

hope he'll use ryu / ken. 10000 times more exciting and fast paced than guile boom orgys >_>
also guile has very limeted comeback potencial.

Posted by SayaGam on May 13, 2010 at 4:07 p.m. #107

OMG Gameinn = Daigo??!! I beat Gameinn 3 times in a row like two weeks ago (4a.m. 2 Guiles and 1 Ryu)... of course I don't have the videos of the matches 'cause I din't know he was Daigo !!!

Posted by MrPjSyrup on May 13, 2010 at 4:11 p.m. #108

There is nothing wrong with zoning... im not a fan of it but in order to understand it you have to know how to get around it... as a abel player i feel your pain when you cant get in close... but be patient because nothing feels better than to play someone who panics when i get in close makes the victory seem more than it is. Some characters are more zoning type. I will say that some of those zoning fighting styles are irritating as to why would someone want to fight like a B****. Usually ill go for chip damage and play cat and mouse with em and let time run out, and then i get hate mail??? Just because you have to work harder for your wins doesnt mean you need to fight like a coward... only time i see zoning necessary are grappling button mashers... only because their SPD range is ridiculous high damage or not. Anyways fight the way you want. everyone can be beaten, its just a matter of how quickly you can adapt to a situation.

That was a long comment lol ^^^^^

Posted by Gameplan on May 13, 2010 at 4:55 p.m. #109

Oh god, this JerseyFame dude is hilarius lol. So basically any SF player, noob or pro, who doesn't happen to play SF the way JerseyFame wants (whatever that is) is doing it wrong, right?

So, even if said player could easily crush JerseyFame and his entire "dojo of no fear" (oooh scary!) any day of the week, he/she's still a loser because he/she doesn't understands the "true spirit" of SF? LMAO funny sh*t.

Posted by futilesilencer on May 13, 2010 at 6:51 p.m. #110

A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is “boring” or “not fun.” Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win. Yours is. Your objective is good and right and true, and let no one tell you otherwise. You have the power to dispatch those who would tell you otherwise with out mercy, simply beat them.

Posted by lawl on May 13, 2010 at 7:51 p.m. #111

Still not seeing that proof...

Posted by JerseyFame on May 13, 2010 at 10:24 p.m. #112

The anger in which people retaliate against me with is unjustified. I simply commented on daios guila and stated that poking and zoning is not the only "right" way to play Guile.

I reference Fuson 909 and Geom Modinside.

I basically bring proof.

Yet I am met with childish attacks at me personally. My goal is to bring back fighting spirit and in return guys fight with "me".

lol.

You reveal your playstyle and your strategy by defending spamming and zoning. Because thats how you play.

You cowardly tactics have caused you to justify them, even when you are not accused of such tactics.

You guys are transparent. Ill say it again. Poke and Zoning matches are removing the spillover fanbase. The people who didnt play street fighter well but would own the game and stand around arcade machines because it was still fun to watch matches. Those people are thin. The gamestop tourneys and WCG conferences are getting increasingly smaller.

Noone wants to watch the game played this way. Only the people who play that way do. Guys like you are the minority, there are plenty of decent challengers who want a "match".

When they dont see or get a match they abandon the game and the scene.

Wake up guys...Go for it. SHow us your best!!! You dont have to be one of these guys...You can develop a signature play style. Dont emulate!!

Posted by DRain on May 13, 2010 at 11:48 p.m. #113

They're getting angry at you because you're attacking people now by calling their playstyles "cowardly" and "boring" repeatedly, and actually attacking Daigo by calling him an inferior Guile.

And again with the whole "fighting spirit" thing? This isn't REAL fighting. People have brought that up several times already. There is no "fighting spirit". But there is a spirit of competitive gaming, which is to play to win. People have repeatedly pointed out the serious flaws in your argument, but so far, you've passed them all off as personal attacks and/or saying that their tactics are "cowardly" anyway.

I think I'll just stop there, as you obviously aren't listening and have absolutely no idea how the play to win mentality works, and thus, the theory behind competitive gaming doesn't apply to you. At best, you're a casual gamer trying to convince other people to also become casual gamers.

Posted by archer on May 13, 2010 at 11:51 p.m. #114

@114

You're telling people to develop their own style and not to emulate while saying that you should play like Fuson909 and Geom. You fool.

Posted by archer on May 14, 2010 at 12:16 a.m. #115

Just for fun, here's a vid of Daigo beating fuson909. Round 3 is a perfect illustration of why you have to play carefully and not rushdown all the time. Fuson made one mistake and it lead to him losing the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ttxE...

Posted by Troppop on May 14, 2010 at 2:09 a.m. #116

It's no use continuing your arguments JerseyFame.
The fanboy wall of flame is up and there will always be people that only, "Wants to win".
People start to grow tired of the whole purpose of playing, to measure your personal skills and push yourself to the edge.
More and more these days people just wants to win and get their numbers, it's the rankings that matters to so many, nothing else. One of the major drawbacks of today's online play.

It feels like there are so many players that, if they could, they would want to win by the use of 1 button, just spam it. Only yo get to the top, how "dirty" or "foul" it might be, they want to reach the top.

I'm not saying that you HAVE to go level 24 trial combos all the time or try to make it the best show possible, but at least show effort.

Like this guile here, I bet people would go A LOT less "hate" if he actually connected a lp lp SB or lp lp FK, it's not anything fancy and so simple, and it's also a very effective basic tactic, also called confirm. combo, for those who don't know.
For such a high leveled player this is very very sad.

I am with you, JerseyFame.
I to want to see what people are capable of and not just compete in who is the best with their selected pokes.

Sure, you are entitled to play just as you know, there's no rules or guidelines. But you don't learn anything from playing super-turtle/"cowardly".

Posted by drebs on May 14, 2010 at 3:58 a.m. #117

i think theres a place they hold tournaments called the Game Inn, i think thats what this is, maybe they have an Xbox live account there the players can play on? just a thought cuz there is a tournament on you tube and the location held is Game Inn, and someone mentions it in oen of the comments there, so i dont thihnk this is JUST daigo, but perhaps he played some.....who knows, send them a message, u might get a reply. he might really be able to speak english but just pretends he cant so he doesn't have to talk to us.

Posted by RedRum6x3 on May 14, 2010 at 4:04 a.m. #118

STOP!!!! THIS IS FAKE!!! Whoever claimed that the first match was supposed to be Daigo is lying!!

I've seen Daigo's Guile in person, and this is NOT it.

First, at 1:40, "Daigo" jumps in and throws out a combo. As you can see, he wiffs the standing light punch. Daigo would never throw this out because he knows what's going to connect during his combos.

Also, this Guile is turtling way too much. No matter who Daigo picks up, this is not his play style.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, Daigo almost ALWAYS cancels the flash kick. Just in case it gets blocked, he doesn't get punished. This guy didn't even cancel ONCE. If you want proof, go look at Daigo fighting Justing Wong at LA Fight Club. He used Guile just as much as he used Ryu the entire night, and NEVER fought like this.

Who ever made this claim, show some respect. You wouldn't like it if someone claimed you were fighting poorly...

Posted by Meebar on May 14, 2010 at 5:07 a.m. #119

Good matches, whether it's Daigo or not.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 14, 2010 at 6:27 a.m. #120

@DRain

Did you just say "There is no "fighting spirit"."......smh

@Troppop

If these guys had a combo button and could press it instead of executing it, Im sure they would. Not only that, they would talk crap while doing it. You all know these guys....they havent applied deoderant, they breathe obnoxiously loud and have no sportsmanship or showmanship in their playstyle. They just want their 65 battle points.

Noone cares about battle points. Ryu says it himself..."The battle is all that matters".

Cowering on the otherside of the screen is not a battle. Look at this scenario.

I hunt a Ryu down for 35 seconds. I have Guile, so I shouldnt be hunting, but my "playstyle" involves stalking and cornering and applying calculated pressure. (I have no fear of fighting in close quarters with anyone but Zangief anyway.)

The ryu jumos backwards and spams hadouken,hoping to God that I jump in on him so he can shoryu>>fadc>>ultra or whatever easy cheesy combo he can mash out.

When I finally get him in a position where he has to fight or flee (the corner), he jumps and tatsu's across the screen and begins spamming again.

THAT IS PATHETIC. THAT ISNT WORTH MY EFFORT. THATS NOT WORTH A MATCH. Sadly I still beat him, because his close game is sad. He only has tick throw tactics and cannot use Ryus normals or boxing skills.

This is 98% of you guys now. This is why 5 of my boys havent even bought Super Street Fighter yet. They dont feel like being bothered. Thats why the scene is getting thin. You guys dont fight anymore.

Basically watch this match. Fanboys will say Daigo is awesome. I say Daigo is truly sad for throwing this many hadoukens shamelessly. The Guile player however is extremely gifted and talented because he exposes Daigo. Only to push Daigo to spam more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vNFYa...

^ This is who you guys are...you are like DRain...you have no fighting spirit. So the game and the scene suffer.

Posted by SAMURAI on May 14, 2010 at 6:36 a.m. #121

@ JerseyFame

No one cares about battle points. But if you play in tournaments, you play to win. Whatever it takes.

Posted by 8BitBison on May 14, 2010 at 7:13 a.m. #122

Hey JerseyFame,

While I agree with some of the points you've put across, you've made too many assumptions in your arguments and keep putting people down. Promoting more aggressive playstyles DOES NOT require that you be a douchebag in the process.

I don't personally know anyone on this thread, but from what I've seen in your posts and DRain's posts, you come off as the one who keeps provoking others. Sure, some people replied with a bit more hostility, but DRain wasn't one of them, so stop biting the hand that's not slapping you.

Perhaps when we all refrain from ridiculous condescending, then proper discussions can be had.

Posted by futilesilencer on May 14, 2010 at 7:34 a.m. #123

jerseyfame, the vid you posted had daigo rush in when he had to. i play cody, which has the need of me to play rush down, i also play abel, which also has the need to play rush down. another character i play is sagat, which isn't rush down at all. his entire game is based on zoning. i also play chun, who is another character who is based on zoning and poking. i play these characters the way that gets the best results. if you play a rushdown sagat, you will get owned. you act like rush down is the only way to play to have fun, but not entirely true. the way you explained your ryu match, i agree, is cowardly, but only because that guy probably thinks that staying away is his best bet. that is now the way the best players play. if you look at alex valle, he does the same zone thing with ryu, but when they get close his defense abilities are great. and his rush down isn't bad at all. these great players can probably play all types of styles, they just use what's most effective.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 14, 2010 at 8:55 a.m. #124

@8bitBison

I dont remember insulting anyone in particular. I only call the "runaway" style cowardly...noone in particular. Hence my confusion as to why you feel the nee dto call me a douchebag.

Ill probably be the most fun Guile you will play against since I will be approaching you instead of running away. I would consider someone a douchebag if they actually plugged in a joystick with the intent of not fighting.

How can you say Im putting people down. I havent called anyone out. I just simply request you guys dont emulate Daigos playstyle as the standard because there are much better Guiles who prefer to bring the fight to you.

My reason for this? To invigorate the community. You guys have no idea how the scene suffers because you want to play "keep away" Street Fighter. Its ok to have a style. You dont have to follow these rules...

Why is this so hard for everyone to comprehend. Zoning is not the only way. Open up your arsenal and test yourself! Go for it!!!

Posted by archer on May 14, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. #125

@126

Technically he didn't call you a dbag. He said that you don't have to be a dbag to make your point. It's the same as you saying that zoning is playing like a coward while never calling someone a coward directly.

Posted by 8BitBison on May 14, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. #126

@JerseyFame

"Daigo plays guile like a loser"

Calling one of the best fighting game players in the world a loser isn't very nice.

"You guys are defending cowardly tactics, why?

because you practice them also."

If that isn't calling people cowardly, then I must admit I understood NOTHING that you wrote.

When replying to MIRACLEfool: "Your screenname is fitting."

I'll say this one might be considered out of context, although personally I thought it was an unnecessary statement in the first place.

Anyway, I'm glad you do try to discuss this matter so I apologize for any derogatory remarks you can fish out from my previous post. The douchebag line in particular.

Anyway, the best thing you did was to invite MIRACLEfool to play with you over XBL, that's how you invigorate people. Not by indirectly calling them cowards and fanboys of a coward.

Oh and, you might have confused zoning with turtling. Pardon me if you already knew this but zoning is the act of controlling space. Rushing down is pretty much a form of zoning in that you close in on your opponent's space and attempt to gain the advantage in close combat and deny your opponent free space to defend safely in.

A few months back I played a Japanese player's Guile over SF4 GFWL. He didn't exactly rushdown, his was the keepaway type and honestly he kept my Bison in my place. In other words I lost because his defence was immensely superior to my offence.

Did I find it unfun? No. In fact, this is where the 'fighting spirit' you champion found itself emerging. I had to play more tactically, engage him on his terms and resist the temptation to jump in knowing that I'd eat an air throw on the double.

Now let me make myself clear on other points. I respect a Guile that plays offensively and I also detest the type of Ryu player you described. But, I also get annoyed by Ryus who happily jump left and right over my Bison knowing that I don't have any solid counters to that.

Should I praise them for rushing me down? Should I praise Akumas who perform the demon flip grab over and over knowing that I can't do much in certain situations?

Honestly I have no idea how many runaway ryus (or other characters) you have faced so I can't fathom exactly how you feel. If they're that bad, just avoid them on XBL.

Finally, if people want to watch exciting rushdown combos all the time, they'd be playing Devil May Cry or any other similar action game. You crying out for aggressive play all the time is like telling rainbow six players to pretend they're playing serious sam in their own game.

P.S. I'm sorry to those who find this post too long.

Posted by 8BitBison on May 14, 2010 at 9:50 a.m. #127

@ archer

I was gonna mention that in my reply post haha, but I figured it's best to keep things civil so that we can have a constructive discussion. This thread has been derailed for too long.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 14, 2010 at 10:46 a.m. #128

Is Daigo any of you...

Be careful about how you defend guys who in short, "dont give a crap about you."

Im not here to worship Daigo, I strictly detest what his playstyle perpetuates in the clones I see everyday online and at Tournaments.

Im here to encourage player style...I can call Daigo what I please...and Id like to play him also and call him these things during the match. You know arcade style? Some of you cannot relate.

There was a bowling alley by my home that had Fatal Fury, Mortal Kombat, World Heroes and Street Fighter. These machnes were dominated by loyalists who only played the particluar fighter.

The Street Fighter Machine always had the largest and most vocal crowd. Hadouken Spammers were vocally boo'd and verbally insulted. We are not gangsters even though this is inner city urban areas...we are gamers, so no violence would occur. But namecalling and taunting based on your style of play was normal.

I as a Guile player endured all types of insults because I used Guiles airthrow effectively. You wouldnt believe the names I was called for using that move.

Still, my play style was regarded and even spoken about. I would overhear guys standing next to the machine discussing in detail how to overcome my play style while I was engaged in a match!

The only thing missing was "poking and zoning". Ive played some ryus that could do 5 hit combos that would kill you and the would relentlessly pursue the position and opportunity to attempt such combo. Noone played keep away...noone played wait and see.

The line around the machine would cut into the bowling activity because the audience was engaged in everyones "playstyle". There was an E Honda who could suprememly punish you if you let go of "block" for 1 second. His "playstyle" was feared. Yet and still he had to respect everyone elses offensive capabilities because we trained to strike, not to defend. Defense is a given but its the offense that wins.

Chip damage, time overs and keep away tactics were boo'd and hissed. People would actually let you play the computer until you lost to take their position as "next" on the game, because playing smeone like that was a waste of time.

This is when the scene was vibrant and full of all different demographics who could be attracted to the game.

Now with these keep away, spamming and zoning tactics being regarded as the only way to "win"...even guys here are saying this is what "playing to win" looks like....play style gets lost and everyone becomes clones...the game becomes boring, the community suffers.

Dont emulate guys!! Be yourself!!!

Posted by 8BitBison on May 14, 2010 at 11:57 a.m. #129

Alright cool. I kinda see where you're coming from now.

Yes you can call Daigo what you please, just like how some people call you what they please, and which you then go on to defend with all sorts of responses.

You mention that you were called nasty names because you air-throwed with Guile effectively. Right now, you seem quite similar to the same people who insulted you.

I almost feel like you should go play a game like Melty Blood or Guilty Gear, where the game itself is more offense-based in it's design decisions.

You mentioned the Ryu 5-hit combos of death, well...let me just opine that, if I were a Ryu player with such a combo, I'd definitely be rushing the opponent down just to land it. There'd be no reason to turtle really. Unless you were facing off against another character with his own combo of death. Then you'd want to be more cautious, wouldn't you agree?

Ok...I'm still convinced that your idea of zoning and mine are different
As I mentioned, zoning is controlling space, keeping your opponent where you want him to be as best as you can. If you've ever jumped up to air-throw an opponent, you've zoned. Playing with the right distances and move priorities is part of zoning, not using them is just being an uninformed player, IMO.

Oh btw, I think I know a bit about 'arcade style', even though I didn't start out in the old school period.I've got my fair share of insults, trash talk, vulgarities and all the assorted quips when you win or even lose in a fighting game. I believe anyone who's played in an arcade often has.

Whatever the reason was for the decline of the genre, let's not pretend to know exactly what that reason is shall we? What we do see now is that a lot of people are playing SF4 and SSF4, so if there was ever a time where it was best to preach your playstyle, it's now. If you actually put up the videos which you claimed you'd do on your blog, then that'd be cool. Then again, maybe I just missed the links haha.

Posted by Gameplan on May 14, 2010 at 12:37 p.m. #130

@acher #117

Ironically, the only round Fuson909 won against Daigo in that match was the one he played a better zonning and keep away game, and waited for Daigo's mistake to end the round.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 14, 2010 at 12:48 p.m. #131

SMH...@ 117

So are you saying since thats how Fuson beat Daigo thats the way everyone has to play...thats the style they have to all emulate?

Posted by MIRACLEfool on May 14, 2010 at 1:27 p.m. #132

@JerseyFame
Can't even play you, on the PS3.
Hope you get over this emulating issue, though... its getting kinda... stupid. You shouldn't really worry how anyone else plays. In fact what you should do is beat alot of people that play that way, and then rant on how you've beaten them and then tell them that they should play the same style as you do, or how you liked to put it, "emulate" you, so you and everyone can have a super-fun-filled-street-fighter-spirt-a-thon.

Posted by Gameplan on May 14, 2010 at 1:43 p.m. #133

@JerseyFame

Nobody is saying everyone should "emulate" certain play style except YOU. And acording to YOUR standard Fuson909 should be called a coward and a loser for zonning out Daigo and waiting for his mistakes to capitalize on them in that first round.

You are the one coming here and patronizing people because they don't play the way YOU want. And the only "argument" you have is that your style is more "fun" (which is a completely subjective thing) and all that nonsense crap about "the true spirit of SF" and "no fear dojo".

Really, stop making yourself look like a fool and accept the fact that people have different tastes and different opinions and you're nobody to force certain play style on others nor call them losers for not playing the way you do.

Posted by archer on May 14, 2010 at 1:58 p.m. #134

@133

No dude. What I was trying to illustrate was that Fuson's attempt at offense in the third round lead to him losing. You can't just say rushdown is always the way to go.

Given enough time anyone can learn the moves in a game. Daigo's real skill is his ability to read players and adapt. That's something every player should try to "emulate".

Posted by Mosque on May 14, 2010 at 8:59 p.m. #135

Jerseyfame is just a little cry baby b***h. I think he works for the CoD newbs. We do not need more people in this community, It's great like this (It's underground stuff). The last thing we need are more CoD newbs complaining about "All he does is sit there" When you "truly" come out of the arcade, You will know that this is the style of play from Street Fighter 2 and was carried over to other games. Guile Vs. Guile in Super Turbo is an adrenaline rush! There is nothing like spamming sonic booms over and over again to see who will win! Now JerseyFame go back to your newb CoD and GTFO of EventHubs!

Posted by duds on May 15, 2010 at 9:57 a.m. #136

Disclaimer: This is off Topic

Hey yo eventhubs you might wanna upload this or you might wanna wait till it's more justified. It's the SSF4 Tier list:

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/5/13...

Posted by WIWI_HEAD on May 15, 2010 at 10:45 a.m. #137

@JerseyFame
Everyone naturally does their own thing. There will always be many turtles. Do you think everyone likes to recklessly jump into a match thinking they're gonna win? ARE YOU AN IDIOT? Many like to play safe probably because its a natural human instinct. Virtual game my ass, its a competition.
Japanese and American pro players have to read each other off in tournaments to win. They are smart about their game.

Your idiot quote: "Im from a dojo of no fear. Respecting your opponent is unnecessary since all these battles are virtual"

"dojo of fear" LMAO!!!
Nobody has to respect you. We can all spam what we want cuz that's what your dojo's all about right? Disrespect? Nice one troll, you're getting the attention you want lol.

This isn't directed only to JerseyFame, but to newcomers. Don't listen to an idiot that promotes what he wants to see. Do what works, this can go a long day depending on the person.

@troppop
How the hell is JerseyFame promoting combos? He flames Daigo and Justin when they can perform combos extremely well under pressure. They're just not idiots about it. Btw many good players say "scrub". This is coming from an arcade where Marn visited not too long ago and lost to an annoying Balrog there LMAO. I of course think its annoying haha.

Posted by cuttyb1987 on May 15, 2010 at 11:34 a.m. #138

IDk Jerseyfame has a point but Diago was fighting fei long so maybe the matchup required more turtling... Some Guiles can go on the offensive and those are the players that are dominant with Guile like Geom but at the same time running away does make this version of the street fighter series pretty noobie cuz in third strike the parry would eliminate all that stuff and stf2 Diago did play guile and often beat old sagats so maybe once the competition gets better Diago would get better... this is a interesting debate lol

Posted by WIWI_HEAD on May 15, 2010 at 4:19 p.m. #139

@cuttyb1987
I don't think its much of a debate. Daigo was a mean mean guile in CVS2. Anyone can look those videos up. These are online casuals. Daigo can turtle to try and perfect sonic boom timings. He can also turtle to learn what Fei Long is capable in the hands of someone like Mago. This is his training after all! Who cares if someone doesn't like it right now. Daigo has always entertained. Hadouken spam on vanilla is nothing, if he threw them like an idiot people would punish him. This is an art form. I'm always dazzled by how he made such accurate guesses. Many are just too ignorant to watch the mind games in action. Keep in mind he didn't always hadou, winning with pure hadou would take too long HAHA.

But Jerseyfame flaming Daigo and Justin is ridiculous. He can flame Arturo Sanchez while he's at it too. New York is a place where f*ckers talk trash, but it only helps those players become immune to crap. Its about winning in tournaments not being sour because some guy spammed something and you were too bad at the game to do anything about it.

If you are playing a charge character while never charging what's the point? Go play another character. Characters tend to lean somewhere because of the tools they have, regardless of player style.

Regarding the first video, my guess is that Fei Long would outpoke Guile since he is a good poker, and in the hands of Mago, but its just a guess of course :)

Posted by whinerhubs_com on May 15, 2010 at 7:41 p.m. #140

It's so much fun watching idiots at work, lead by Jerseyfame.

By the way, Jerseyfame's Guile sucks so bad his sonic boom can't even cut through butter. A pathetic 50% winning rate with Guile? Shut up already and continue enjoy being a bottom feeder. Or better yet, retire online and enjoy playing in your bowling alley.

Posted by cuttyb1987 on May 15, 2010 at 9:38 p.m. #141

@Whinerhubs what ur point in saying all that lol

@ WIWI head yea we all seen Diago play he is the man with any chracter he plays Ryu Guile Ken whoever but Jersey feels that Guile should rush down instead of turtle but Guile needs a charge so who knows maybe since this are gloryfied sparring matches we are thinking way to much in this... and ur right street fighteris mental so the sonic boom spamming is apart of a master gameplan to win
But we all agree Guile Has gotten better if he is a topic that caused this much controversy

Posted by JerseyFame on May 17, 2010 at 8:11 a.m. #142

So I come back to eventhubs and I see more children throwing tantrums when Im not even talking to them. So since your so interested in what Im saying let me reiterate.

Your attitude and "arguments" are unjustified...

Im not arguing with anyone this is a message board, I stated my oppinion and did not ask for counter oppinions...so im not arguing at all, to argue I would have to see your counter statements as detracting from the point Im trying to make...and none of you are.

SO back to my original statement.

"To improve the Street Fighter community, you guys need to have a play style. That only comes from repetition and practice. DOnt watch videos of Guys and emulate. There is so much more to the game than that."

I played 5 Ryus yesterday and I beat 4...

I only play for about an hour every two days and in that hour I may log 15-20 matches. So I dont amass large win and loss totals...frankly my percentage with Guile is around 70% wins...and as a total I have 56% wins because I fail hard when I try to use Dudley. I just get zoned to death or I have to dodge and duck 40 hadoukens a round and I lose patience. When I play Guile I solve most people transparent gameplay quickly. The only guys that give me trouble are the people with a unique play style. The guys who are carbon copy ryus...who basically walk back and forth waiting for my jump in to cancel into ultra...I beat them easilyy because they cant "play", when it comes to reaction and choosing the right normal attack in succession, they cant do it. Their game doesnt include that skill set. They just know how to crossup and mash and zone and tick throw. They dont "fight".

With all the hate mail I get on eventhubs because I call peoples sad tactics out, I get alot of love on xbox. People reallly enjoy fighting my Guile and i often get dual fight requests from people who want 1 more try versus an actually good Guile, so they say.

I think I help the community and help change the way Guile is looked at. You guys should be less confrontational and more open minded. Alot of people think Street Fighter is fun and really enjoy the game.

And finally to the guys who feel the need to lash out and insult...Im pretty sure you guys are real quiet in the arcade and probably new to the game in general and claiming OG status you dont even understand. So keep defending justin and daigo and whoever else emulator u choose...but TOMO would beat them all.

do your history corballs. lol.

Posted by WIWI_HEAD on May 18, 2010 at 12:23 a.m. #143

@JerseyFame
Its obviously your opinion and everyone else has one too.

Any good player can watch videos to learn things and still have their own style. You obviously think everyone who watches some gameplay online is an idiot.

Its not the videos themselves that make people dumb, they are ignorant to gameplay from the start.

how can you expect EVERYONE to be good?

videos do help. Dedicated Pros discover things quicker than anyone who plays a few hours a week, regardless of the player already being good.

You aren't helping the community by saying "DOnt watch videos".

I bet that ryu who beat you has watched videos and still has a brain to beat you. You're too ignorant yourself to see that.

Posted by JerseyFame on May 19, 2010 at 11:18 p.m. #144

huh?

Im saying dont make turtling and zoning the standard way to play.

What are you talking about? Im an asset to the community cus I care about the casual player.

Posted by DRain on May 20, 2010 at 11:11 a.m. #145

You're not being an asset to the community when you whine about playstyles and tell people to play the way you do. Being an asset to the community means helping casual players learn about playing effectively, and teaching them how to win, not how to be like you and be stuck losing against people who are actually good at zoning.

Posted by WIWI_HEAD on May 20, 2010 at 11:45 p.m. #146

@DRain
True bro, true.

You in it to win it, regardless of style.

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