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so i take it he's saying they(capcom)have not fixed guiles flash kick and or his normals hopefully this is a earlier draft of the game if not then wtf capcom
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They still might have gave Guile's other normals a buff you never know. He only showed 2 moves.
lol @ ken scrub hes to strong now those shades make him as strong as sagat
Thanks for this Gilley.
Man how the hell is Guile going to combat these 3rd strike fools effectively? :/
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
As Q said, there are many ways to buff a character and their moves other than total frames. Most namely thesre are active frames, hitboxes, and just total damage. This video only shows total frames for two of his moves. If non-EX flash kick was changed, that would be a huge boost (possibly), where he only looked at the EX version, which was way better than the non-EX version. I don't think Gilley meant this to be proof that Guile hasn't been improved at all.
gilley has surpassed the point of being around long enough to know how to buff a character, i agree with 20. he wasnt saying this is proof that guile has no improvements at all, just that THESE moves are the same.
for all we know, guile can 1 frame link f+mk->f+hp in SSF4, with normal flash kicks recovering like ken's SRK and hitting in 1 frame (as fast as zangief's ultra connects) and the return of SF2 sonic boom tick throw shenanigans, with proper juggle vacuum effects on ultra 1. only the release of the game will tell us what has been improved for guile.
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Less frame data should only mean that they will execute a move faster because there are less to animate, not? Just like others said, it could be adjusted by how much damage it now does or an increased hitbox.
Still very interesting to watch! ^^)-b
he sounded so disappointed when he said the moves were the same. It kinda sucks. There is no reason guile shouldnt be an almost carbon copy of his sf2 iteration. Improveing his normals and flash kick wont break anything. It would just make him a more solid character, which he was originally.
@ #26, i don't need to turtle to wreck you with guile.
guile's hitboxes were SUPPOSEDLY changed, not the speed/frame data of his moves. i say supposedly because capcom could be full of sht.
Everyone complaining about guile doesn't use him. When I'm balrog, a guile of equal or less skill doesn't put up much of a fight. I'll admit that I've lost to guile players, but its not because guile doesn't need a buff its because I was outclassed by a better player.
Guile needs fixed, seriously.
That first part should read "not everyone complaining about guile uses him". Sorry for the mistake.
The funny thing is if ryu sucked as hard as guile did there would be a sea of tears and alot of people would quit playing all together. I play guile on the side but i play blanka and bison(yea bison, the only character that guile really beats) and i support any fix he could get. Theres absolutely no reason flash kick should trade with jump ins and for his normals to suck so dam much. Hes an arch type character, one that been around since the begining, he should be as solid as ever in this game, and the sad thing is it doesnt take much to do it. Fix his normals, fix flash kick and we are there. After that maybe fix that down forward rh kick that juggle and allow him to do it from down back so he can juggle into ultra. Guile ahs offically become competitive.
Guiles crouching forward is his best poke...and Gilley proves it still sucks. Meanwhile many posts have stated this move was buffed. Mythbusted.
Guiles flashkick takes the same amount of frames to begin and end. Meaning flashkick will still get owned by normals...sucks. Many people have stated that recovery time has changed for this move. That is false. Mythbusted.
So capcom...are you ready to tell us what Guile actually does BETTER in this game. Or is he a completely outdated sprite that needs to be removed causing great shame to u guys?
This guy makes it so you can never complain about Guile ever.