The Wake Up Shoryuken team had a few guests on this evening to discuss what changes they found in Super Street Fighter 4's final build.• Focus Attacks are faster, you have to be more aware of them now or you'll eat a combo.
• It seems like Super moves across the board do more damage.
• Sagat has 1,000 health now, down from 1,100.
• Zangief has 1,100 health, which is down from 1,200. Hit box on the Lariat got moved up a bit so it's easier to duck under.
• Ken's Hard Dragon Punch has more invincibility.
• Abel's new Ultra is really good. It's a dashing grab which has one hit of Super Armor. You can also charge his Ultra up by holding the buttons, which keeps him in place for a moment.
• Juri can store multiple fireballs using each of her kick buttons and it may be possible to have multiple projectiles on the screen at one time.
• Cammy's Spiral Arrow (Cannon Drill) seems more like it was in Super Street Fighter 2 HD Remix. Not exactly as good, but safer on block.
• Gouken's Ultra 2 (Denjin Hadouken) when fully charged is still blockable, but it does 500 stun damage if blocked or if it connects.
• Sakura can combo into her Ultra 2 without using any meter.
• Dee Jay's Machine Gun Punch is a charge move now and you no longer have to mash punches after the fact. People say he's a better version of Guile.
• T. Hawk's Condor Spire seems to be a really good tool for getting inside. Hawk Dive doesn't travel as far forward, so it doesn't seem as useful as before.
• Cody's Zonk Knuckle has different versions depending on the button you hold. Takes about 4 seconds to charge it up. Cody can Focus Attack Dash Cancel off of almost every move he has.
Posted by Ibuki on March 10, 2010 at 11:43 p.m. #1
awesome :)
Posted by JerseyFame on March 10, 2010 at 11:49 p.m. #2
fix guile
Posted by SatsuiNoMoney on March 10, 2010 at 11:49 p.m. #3
Ken's Hard Dragon Punch has more invincibility.
OH DEAR GOD YES!!!
Posted by Tomiwa11 on March 10, 2010 at 11:50 p.m. #4
i wonder how sakura can combo into her ultra without meter...probs off a shouoken...
Posted by SONIC_BOOM on March 10, 2010 at 11:50 p.m. #5
Nothing about Guile. I'd say we just move on in regards to that one...
Posted by SleepyMcNaperson on March 10, 2010 at 11:52 p.m. #6
T.Hawk should have a projectile and a faster walking speed, and better anti airs, and more health, and should be able to fadc into both ultra AAAAANNDDD should be able to OIL UP.
Posted by Ghouly on March 10, 2010 at 11:53 p.m. #7
HOLY SH!T... Why did they have to nerf zangief ?
It's like thy've never played a single match with him...
So many bad matchups and still weakened, tssss...
To all naabs that keep complaining about Gief like "he is cheap" or wtf try playing with him and then you'll be able to speak if he is that easy to play.
Gief's liferbar = abel ? - NONSENSE -
Posted by Ajtucker22 on March 10, 2010 at 11:53 p.m. #8
such good news as a Ken mainer. We needed something, and a proper AA that doesn't wiff if the first hit connects is just the ticket.
Posted by xandeR on March 10, 2010 at 11:54 p.m. #9
I really badly want someone to mess with Bison for REAL and find out if he can combo into his ultra. Either one.
The ONLY THING that Bison needs is the ability to land his ultra. Most people I talk to feel that his c.hp needs to launch, which would allow him to land either ultra. It wouldn't be imbalanced. It'd be just like Abel and it'd make Bison a really good character.
Posted by H_Lightning on March 10, 2010 at 11:56 p.m. #10
Wow so glad to hear about Dee Jay's punch being changed back,
kinda disappointed about lowering Gief's hp, I always have fun fighting Giefs and knowing the match would end sooner makes me a sad panda.
Posted by Adjacent on March 10, 2010 at 11:58 p.m. #11
I wonder if T- Hawk has 1200 health
Posted by Sober_Soldier on March 11, 2010 at 12:01 a.m. #12
Omg i knew capcom had something special for our awesome school girl! :D
Posted by Nirusu on March 11, 2010 at 12:06 a.m. #13
"People say he's a better version of Guile."
Makes me sad.
Posted by OomackattackoO on March 11, 2010 at 12:12 a.m. #14
LETS GO DEE JAY
Posted by guile_makoto on March 11, 2010 at 12:14 a.m. #15
Sighhhhh thank god I still got makoto
Posted by Lolento on March 11, 2010 at 12:24 a.m. #16
Btw, the official website has been updated
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/
Posted by KasuganoSakura on March 11, 2010 at 12:27 a.m. #17
"Ken's Hard Dragon Punch has more invincibility." lol....seriously?
Posted by SakIt2Me on March 11, 2010 at 12:32 a.m. #18
@4
Looks like c.hp, l.shunpu - c.hp, l,shouo, Ultra 2 is gonna be a major punish.
I love Sak's c.hp! Maybe she'll get some respect now.
Posted by NobleEskimo on March 11, 2010 at 12:32 a.m. #19
Ken wasn't exactly high tier in the last iteration, so it'll be nice to see his signature flaming SRK be a little more effective. It'll give nubs a bit more of a shot I guess too :-D which is fine with me.
I don't think Zangief's life should've been nerfed much. Maybe 1150, at worst. A good player can usually outmaneuever a good Zangief.
I'm still hoping Guile will kick ass when all is said and done, but I'm glad to hear Rose is a contender (hypothetically) at least.
Haven't heard much about Dee Jay or T-Hawk since they were first announced, so it's nice to see something about them.
Posted by kurokiba on March 11, 2010 at 12:36 a.m. #20
so is Rufus the 1 with the highest health now (1150) or does T Hawk or Hakan have higher?
Also, what makes Dee Jay like a better version of Guile? All i can think of is that their projectiles look very similar and they both have great normals...
Dee Jay FTW
Posted by YoungCharly on March 11, 2010 at 12:47 a.m. #21
@#9
I totally agree man.
More invincibility for Ken's Hard DP? What made them do that? Not once have I ever knocked a Ken out of it. I didn't even know it was possible.
I think other characters like Bison, Honda, etc. need invincibility on a move more then Ken does. Oh well, those million Ken's you see online will only use Hard DP (or EX) now.
Posted by Bolton on March 11, 2010 at 12:50 a.m. #22
I am willing to bet T Hawk has the highest stamina out of all SF characters, Hakan prob the same as Rufus. I hope there's more to Dee Jay then just being a better Guile, I'd like to have a lot more offensive capabilities than Guile has, but who knows... Hakan, though, is definitely in my line-up for mains, E. Honda normals + oil + more tools than E. Honda = Win.
Posted by tommyjesus on March 11, 2010 at 12:58 a.m. #23
i feel personally insulted about guile sucking.
Posted by YoucefCef on March 11, 2010 at 12:58 a.m. #24
"Dee-Jay is a better version of Guile" : absolutely pathetic from Capcom...
We can now definitively announce officially that... Guile is dead.
Hope he will find peace and posterity in the Ancient Fighters Cimetery.
Posted by Guile on March 11, 2010 at 1:02 a.m. #25
deejay is not a better version of guile because hes not comparable to guile....except in gameplay
character design? exact opposite.
sorry ill pass, i'd say overall someone designed after chuck norris who can do hadoukens has more in common with guile than guile does with deejay
if u guys dont think character design matters, i guess we should just play with stick figures and visual hitboxes.
Posted by moomeacow on March 11, 2010 at 1:10 a.m. #26
@ 21
lol if you played ken you would know his fierce srk is complete garbage as an anti air, no one uses it they have to rely on the medium srk which is slower and if done deep and only hits once then the second hit whiffs leaving you wide open to get punished. looks like they fixed it to match ryus, which is also retarded cause ken always had the better srk by story and by past games.
Posted by Meee on March 11, 2010 at 1:19 a.m. #27
Do half of you even play this game on a level high enough for most of these changes to matter? Yes Gief has bad matchups but other than the couple of bad ones he has he murders everyone else. Nothing is more annoying than hearing a bunch of freakin scrubby bums complaining about why there character sucks so much when in truth its just them as a player. Man up or don't play the game
Posted by chickenwings on March 11, 2010 at 1:20 a.m. #28
I dont like that comment on deejay. Hes NOT supposed to be a better verison of guile. In turbo he had nice combos, great normals and was overall more offensive then guile. I really hope niether of them suck. I love deejay in turbo and to see him come to 4 and suck would just be disappointing, and guile, well. Play hyper fighting or even hdr and then play him in sf4. Its very depressing.
Posted by aghabozorg on March 11, 2010 at 1:23 a.m. #29
do something for guile
Posted by LightningCannonball on March 11, 2010 at 1:28 a.m. #30
"Dee-Jay is a better version of Guile"
OMG do you all play SF the first time???
Deejay has ALWAYS been the better guile!!
if DJ is in the game, than WHY should someone pic guile??
its not like the Ken and Ryu thing cuz both are quite equal, with a slightly different move-set
but DJ is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better!!!!
gut the same moves as guile plus more!!!
@ Gulie
"if u guys dont think character design matters, i guess we should just play with stick figures and visual hitboxes."
WTF are you talking about??? so we can not compare ryu and ken cuz one is blond and one black haired???
you have to accept, that deejay is the better version of you!!
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 1:33 a.m. #31
I don't like how they nerfed Gief. As if the Lariat wasn't easy enough to punish. Plus, he's huge so he deserves that 1200 health!
I am pleased with Deejay's machine gun punch being a charge move again, I am never confident with mash attacks.
Posted by fenris on March 11, 2010 at 1:35 a.m. #32
i do like that focus attacks are faster, maybe i'll use them now out side of dashing through a fireball or a backdash or fadc
Posted by Guile on March 11, 2010 at 1:35 a.m. #33
guile represents an important style of gameplay.....if u dont like guile, then put someone like charlie in there
dee jay? NO, hes not like guile, they are just different concepts altogether. hes as similar to guile as sagat is to ryu. Similar in some sense, but not the same kind of thing and certainly not a replacement. what the hell!
Its like if u axed the shotos.
if u axe one or two its tolerable. if u leave at least a decent ken or ryu in there, people will complain about the others missing or being broken, but they'll be ok
if u axed em all, people would throw a HUGE fit. u feel a huge void in the series.
but the fact that NO one is representing the guile-charlie-remy gameplay style that isnt broken puts a huge void in this series.
Posted by moomeacow on March 11, 2010 at 1:35 a.m. #34
@27 totally agree with you and i'm glad they nerfed his lariat cause that s**t hitting crouched characters is so much bs lariat should not be able to hit you if your crouched
Posted by ricefarmer on March 11, 2010 at 1:49 a.m. #35
its simple capcom doesn't listen in regards to guile... weve been telling them for like a year
Posted by Speedwagon on March 11, 2010 at 1:54 a.m. #36
"People say he's better Guile"
"People say he's"
"People say"
People say a lot of things. Most of them stupid. Don't fret my fellow Americans.
I face palmed at the cleverness of Wake Up Shoruken though.
Posted by Guile on March 11, 2010 at 1:57 a.m. #37
@30
what in heavens name r u talking about?!?!
no they arent as different as ken and ryu. ken and ryu are both twin shotokans that are similar through every aspect. they have the SAME specials, just spiced up differently. their normal game is very similar, almost identical in functionality. (im talking about style only)
no, my friend. thats not the right analogy. Guile and Deejay are as similar as sagat and ryu. that is the right analogy. Sagat and ryu have similar specials, but not the same ones (shuryuken and tiger uppercut and the hadouken and tiger shot). same with deejay and guile.
they're normals - obviously different for sagat and ryu
same with guile and deejay - they also have very different normals. Sorry deejay does not have moves like the rolling sabat, bazooka knee taht are essential to guile's zoning strategy. his normals in generals arent as fast and arent supposed to be as strong as guiles.
all deejay and guile mostly share are very similar specials. just like ryu and sagat. but sagat would not be a viable replacement for the shotos.
Posted by tstvicentini on March 11, 2010 at 2:02 a.m. #38
im liking the changes about sakura :)
her ultra I is pretty poor.. and the damage sux!
Posted by chickenwings on March 11, 2010 at 2:22 a.m. #39
The only thing deejay and guile have in common is the max out/sonic boom. Thats it. There normals,specials and styles are completely different. Its not like ryu and ken, and if u think thats true then u obiviously never played turbo long enough to figure that out.
Posted by kurokiba on March 11, 2010 at 2:24 a.m. #40
Im guessing Dee Jay has tons of potential! Ive seen it since they announced him and have been practicing SSF2HDR alot in order to get his style down while dominating in SF4. I would like to say ill be ready to dominate with Dee Jay in time for EVO.
Posted by cactusjack on March 11, 2010 at 2:53 a.m. #41
people say he's (deejay )a better version of guile that's just an insult to every guile player.i'm like everyone else is buying this game on the understanding that ur favourite character(mines being guile) would have improvements.not that someone is a better version of you, no excuse capcom either you haven't listened(to the guile players) or don't care.
Posted by PainKiller on March 11, 2010 at 2:56 a.m. #42
wtf, why nerf gief ? gee... and I here thinking a sagat with lower hp and weaker uppercuts would make gief want to trade sometimes on jump ins, now it's the same business again, you can't stand a trade uppercut > towards > roundhouse before he gets his ultra or a bar
Posted by kurokiba on March 11, 2010 at 2:56 a.m. #43
btw, usually with dee jay you had to mash or piano punches after the input of machine gun punch to increase the amount of hits from 1-4, doing massive amounts of damage. they took out the mashing afterwards, but hopefully the damage is still really good. anybody have any input on this?
Posted by LightningCannonball on March 11, 2010 at 2:57 a.m. #44
okay you say, deejay isnt a better version of poor guile???
than wait until you get raped by DJ OVER AND OVER AGIAN!!!
guile just sux! and he hasnt improved a bit!!
Posted by PainKiller on March 11, 2010 at 3 a.m. #45
God...Don't nerf gief he needs his hp, or make his standing forward better, s**t
Posted by KenScrub on March 11, 2010 at 3:05 a.m. #46
Cry more Guile users!
Posted by Meee on March 11, 2010 at 3:14 a.m. #47
wow...people actually complaining about geif not needing a nerf? for real? You guys must REALLY be terrible players..He is still going to be extremely good probably better with his new Ultra and the amount of space it will control once he as it. On top of that YES Lariat need a nerf it should have never been as good as it is in SF4! Crying about how easy it was to punish is a foolish thing to say DP's are twice as easy to punish. Try learning more about the game and baiting moves learning the weaknesses of a move before whining about it. pish morons
Posted by FearTheBadgers on March 11, 2010 at 3:22 a.m. #48
It's official. Zangief is now COMPLETELY DICKED against Seth.
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on March 11, 2010 at 3:22 a.m. #49
...why?
Posted by fenris on March 11, 2010 at 3:27 a.m. #50
Completely? I dont think so his new ultra will control alot of the field once he gets it, good gief players can still use chops and footsies, from the proper range the green hand is still a viable threat. I think even with the nerf hes alot better than people want to give him credit for
Posted by GreenKnight on March 11, 2010 at 3:30 a.m. #51
I don't think the changes to ryu will affect skilled ryu players. As someone said, trade to ultra is sloppy playing, and doing lesser damage isn't that big a deal since damage has never been ryu's forte.
I'm with the rest of the guys here that it sucks guile once again gets the shaft
I'm pretty interested in hearing more about the faster focus attack as it sounds like it could be the most significant tweak.. If it is really fast, it could favor more aggressiveness and change the dynamics of the entire game.
Posted by PainKiller on March 11, 2010 at 3:32 a.m. #52
@47 aparently you never played gief, or against sagat or ryu
you gonna be forced to jump in most of the time, crouch forward ryu has destroys gief counter poke that is standing forward, usually versus ryu you trade his shoryuken and get a fireball as a juggle (thank god they fixed the ultra thing now it might be 5/5)but sagat you take 400 damage if you are stupid to jump in, no crouch forward sweep lariat perfectly timed normal green hands (lulz) will make you get near to him, in the end you have to go for a trade in sometimes, and now he can't because he die faster, same hp as balrog...roflcopter give gief some awesome pokes like rog have then, standing strong don't work against those chars that press down backwards the whole day
Posted by fenris on March 11, 2010 at 3:33 a.m. #53
#51
hell yeah someone else whos excited about the new focus attacks!
Posted by SaitoKojima on March 11, 2010 at 3:52 a.m. #54
I'm really happy to hear about the Focus Attacks being better, the Supers being stronger, and Sakura being buffed so much.
Posted by Pusha_T on March 11, 2010 at 4:02 a.m. #55
Wow juri is probably gonna be high tier, Imagine 3 projectiles coming at you at different angles.
Faster FA - nice.
Sagat health drop- we already knew that and his tiger uppercut and tiger knee have been nerfed.
Super combos more powerful. Delicious.
Posted by DeadlyMoves on March 11, 2010 at 4:06 a.m. #56
About time Zangiefs lariat got a smaller hitbox :D
Posted by Pusha_T on March 11, 2010 at 4:19 a.m. #57
Guile fans- remember S-Kill said that we would all prefer the SSF4 versions of our favourite characters. Also when will people realize that you can never really know the full changes to a character until you actually play the game. I ve read comments from some srk posters who claim to have tested the game and they claim guiles flash kick and sonic boom have higher damage so who knows.
I remember right before the release of SF4 people were crying bout how ryu was crap compared to ken etc etc.
You can only judge for yourself when you get the game.
@54- they haven't released any rufus info yet, will u wait till they release info or till you get the game before jumping into conclusions.
Posted by Cat_Thrower16 on March 11, 2010 at 4:33 a.m. #58
So far it sounds good to me, with the exception of Guile though. But who knows, they might even make another sf4 game after this one right?
Posted by Ryu_Apprentice on March 11, 2010 at 4:40 a.m. #59
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Posted by shinygerbil on March 11, 2010 at 4:40 a.m. #60
So, apart from Focus Attacks being faster, any other changes to them? The infamous Rumour List did vaguely hint at something new in that direction. I was secretly hoping for some quite big changes to the focus attack system, and I actually expected, what with the big community love for the parry system, that focus attacks would become more "parry-like". Of course, not being a game designer I wouldn't know where to begin trying to achieve this, but there is definitely room for expansion on the basic theme of focus attacking.
Perhaps we'll see these changes in the third iteration ;)
Posted by Jeremy092387 on March 11, 2010 at 4:55 a.m. #61
Some nice changes.
As a Gief player, I agree with the changes they gave to him. The health nerf kinda saddens me, but I can live with it. I'll be moving on to Cody and Dudley and put Gief and Viper as my secondaries.
I heard that Ken's Ultra I will connect into it's full animation after a FADC now. That would be quite the treat to Ken fans considering his second ultra sounds bummed.
Posted by Cammy on March 11, 2010 at 5:04 a.m. #62
I see my Spiral Arrow is safer on block.
I hope it's MUCH safer, to compensate the nerfing of the Cannon Spike.
Or pehaps Cannon Spike has lost damage because it is better in other aspects. Completely safe on block, maybe? That would be awesome.
Posted by RandomJohn on March 11, 2010 at 5:08 a.m. #63
About time they nerfed Gief's health. I've been waiting for a patch of something for so long to nerf some characters. It also looks like Sakura got a little buff. No meter into an ultra 2. That sounds cool but I bet it does crappy damage. I like the fact they brought back her medium kick crossover.
Posted by M_Bison on March 11, 2010 at 5:08 a.m. #64
@58
You can't believe everything Seth Killian says. He works for capcom so a lot of what he says is biased. If all the nerf to Gen is true, you really think people would prefer the ssf4 version of Gen? Let's not forget Killian also said the new alt costumes were going to be free and then they weren't free.
Posted by MAXOUT12 on March 11, 2010 at 5:09 a.m. #65
sweet stuff ty
Posted by RandomJohn on March 11, 2010 at 5:11 a.m. #66
At #62: Ken's fadc ultra 1 has always been able to fully hit. You just have to time it very well.
Posted by ChunLi on March 11, 2010 at 5:12 a.m. #67
What about me? If i'm to keep my title as the strongest woman in the world, I demand some answers on my changes. Another thing, why would that Zac Efron have more invincibility on his widely overused special?
It's bad enough that I take 30+ Kens online within the hour (DAILY), and you give them another reason? I have lost faith in you CAPCOM, and I will become stronger to show those Kens who's boss.
Posted by SteadiestShark on March 11, 2010 at 5:20 a.m. #68
I'm really liking these specific changes. I agree with them all...
Also, Zangief is always gonna be screwed against Seth, this just makes him not so ridiculous against the 20+ (exaggeration, whatever) characters that have a hard time with him.
More invincibility on Ken's HP? Great, from what I could tell it had none (maybe a tiny bit but I never read into the frame data).
Anyway, like I said before, good changes. It's just unfortunate how freaking retarded the other list of changes in...seriously, what the **** was Capcom thinking with some of them? Our fan-feedback must have got lost in translation or something because there's absolutely no excuse for taking away Gen's primary weapon - and nerfing is only real wakeup option.
Posted by SteadiestShark on March 11, 2010 at 5:22 a.m. #69
I meant Ken's SF4 HP SRK ^
Also,
list of changes is*
Not to meantion it seems they did exactly jack **** to help Guile - even after Ono himself declared that he was weak and needed buffs. (I think it was him, either way somebody high-up did)
Posted by griever2000 on March 11, 2010 at 5:26 a.m. #70
so if I understand from some people here, zangief is not allowed to have bad match ups ?
All you gief player need to do is practice against these characters and find a strategy to corner them. Like this they will have less chances of doing their projectile or they will take hit from the lariat. His 2nd ultra will stop most of the people trying to do jump-ins. Don't want to get hit by a shoryuken ? stop jumping randomly at the opponent!(specially if he's crouching!) he can also dash! (very slow but hey you chose zangief so deal with it)
and let's not forget there's a lot of other facts implied in the game: the game feels faster / focus attack are also faster
Posted by griever2000 on March 11, 2010 at 5:28 a.m. #71
And against seth....blame it on the scrubs that don't know how to use him and stay in their corner only doing jumping hard punch (which can still be punished by his 2nd ultra!)...you can always instant stun him with the headbutt tho...just need patience ;)
Posted by Cotton on March 11, 2010 at 5:52 a.m. #72
@18
Major punish? More like, major scaling.
Posted by Invader_Darko on March 11, 2010 at 5:54 a.m. #73
How are people complaining about stuff they don't even know yet. I'm willing to bet rufus got his HP nerfed. Faster focus seems nice. Added with faster gameplay means more intense fights. Also may seen more like a parry if played aggressive. Can't wait.
Posted by shannaro1992 on March 11, 2010 at 5:55 a.m. #74
Hooray for Sakura!
Posted by radica on March 11, 2010 at 5:56 a.m. #75
Gief didn't need a life nerf but he did need a higher Lariat hit box. The match up was just ridiculous for certain fights like Abel and Rog because of that.
Sagat didn't really need a nerf except for his towards light kick which should be removed from the game because the kara cancel into his moves gave him way too much range. Trade Ultras are being fixed for almost every character so the point is moot.
Faster Focuses are gonna suck for Rog.
Ken's Hard Shoryuken having more invincibility is only gonna be worthwhile if it can be used for an anti-air because it's always gonna be beaten by Tiger Uppercut.
Why did the nerf Cammy's uppercut? Seriously?
Lets hope Gouken's Ultra 2 can be fully charged after a complete knockdown. Still gonna be weird since some characters have invincible wake up options like Ryu's ex Shoryuken.
Machine Gun punch better still do a lot of damage.
So far it feels like theoretically Rose, Sakura, Chun, and Dan got the largest buffs. I don't understand the meaning behind nerfs on Gen or Cammy.
Posted by THTB on March 11, 2010 at 5:59 a.m. #76
Gief losing 100 health is gonna suck for sure. Gief is definitely dropping down some spots and some of his matchups are definitely gonna be harder.
Cammy gaining safer drills is really good. She now has a safe chip damage tool...which is what she needed.
Gouken got better by simply gaining his new ultra. That and his FA was already good...it's faster now? He just got a pretty good poke with it.
Good to hear T.Hawk's condor spire is a good approach tool.
SSFIV's gonna be interesting...top tier (excluding Akuma likely) will be all over the place, IMO.
Posted by radica on March 11, 2010 at 6:05 a.m. #77
It's not really that safe of a tool for Cammy since people can predict from your range and high priority move you.
Posted by Invader_Darko on March 11, 2010 at 6:07 a.m. #78
Was hoping akuma got his air hado hop back.
Posted by Psycho on March 11, 2010 at 6:13 a.m. #79
I think Seth was nerfed too, OMG only nerfs and nerfs!
Posted by Triforce on March 11, 2010 at 6:15 a.m. #80
They definitely find the best angles to shoot Sakura from. ;-)
Good to hear faster FA, even though it was known from the beginning it's %100+ confirmed with this final build. I can only assume the gameplay is faster with it and things will feel a lot more familiar to pre-SFIV incarnations come April the 26th.
Posted by japo2300 on March 11, 2010 at 6:26 a.m. #81
@#68
read the mrwizard post, the kikoushou ultra gonna be really strong, if you dont hit since the begining of the ultra you still receive all the damage from the ultra, and can be juggle from ex kicks and backwrad kick(dont remember the name).
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 6:33 a.m. #82
Personally i really wouldn' t like if all the Guile users, will pass to DJ!
And for who that talks about DJ = Guile and have never played SF2, DJ is so far from Guile on gameplay.
Posted by Projectjustice on March 11, 2010 at 6:38 a.m. #83
Guile isnt going to be much better. Capcom knows this so they decided to give him the ability to put on Shades. So at least you can look cool losing.
Posted by Jaybonaut on March 11, 2010 at 6:43 a.m. #84
Just glad the rumor is that El Fuerte's normals are faster. His standing far roundhouse was perfect though IMO. Low jab needs to be faster as well as his standing close roundhouse. His standing far fierce is slow as hell, that needed a speed up too.
Posted by R on March 11, 2010 at 6:54 a.m. #85
Finally, weaker Gief and Sagat.
Posted by Doppler on March 11, 2010 at 7:01 a.m. #86
I like how they nerfed zanfief because he can take you life so fast, at least now is more balanced.
But...why they dont nerf ryu?? he needs to nerf ryu
and blanka
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 7:05 a.m. #87
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character...
Hakan's page is up on the japanese SF4 website. Apparently he likes chanko. Probably means a rival battle with Honda?
Also, you can get a wallpaper if you click on the questionmark icon.
Posted by benjee on March 11, 2010 at 7:21 a.m. #88
Seriously, i cant stop laughing at some comment saying "omg why did they nerf zangief/<put another high tier character here>
It'es a benefit for the game, Gief lariat was retarded, now it's fixed. Good thing, stop whining.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 7:21 a.m. #89
@ J
Fantastic thanks a lot!!
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 7:24 a.m. #90
@ Giubo
You're welcome.
I forgot mention his japanese voice is there too.
I think I prefer his english voice though.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 7:26 a.m. #91
@ J
I agree! English voice is better ;).
This Hakan is fantastic! I come from old school of SF, but you know, we really should have needed a " new freshair " style.
Hakan is really cool!
Posted by Raius1 on March 11, 2010 at 7:38 a.m. #92
@87
They did nerf Ryu. No more trade Ultras, and the DP hits twice with hard or med punch, and the damage is down.
Why nerf Blanka? Honestly, I have more problems with good Guile players.
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 7:38 a.m. #93
@ Strider
I believe this has been comfirmed, but I can't give you a link or anything. It was like that in vanilla SF4 too.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 7:38 a.m. #94
Well I don' t know it for sure, but i think they will do it like it was in SF4; so you can select character's voice 1 by 1 ;).
Posted by Mimiru on March 11, 2010 at 7:42 a.m. #95
I just hope they buff the commentator
Posted by YoucefCef on March 11, 2010 at 7:44 a.m. #96
Chun-Li is said to be able to connect Ultra2 everywhere in the screen after EX-Lightning Legs and Up Kick Target, in spite of the fact that she was already able to do it with Ultra1 at corners. In fact, she has a two-circles Ultra2 move.
My question is : Why not Guile?
Can someone please help to understand this injustice?
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 7:47 a.m. #97
@ YoucefCef
I can only anwser you that the game isn' t out yet, let' s just wait and see what happens :). You don' t know the real potential of Guile, and all the other characters, we only know some percentage of them but not everything.
Posted by SpicyBurrito on March 11, 2010 at 7:52 a.m. #98
Changing gief's lariat was a good move. The best gief's don't abuse lariat anyway, it's too punishable. The only people whining about it are people who abuse it or depend on it. Time to pick up a real character. Get your money's worth. The only bad thing is that he drew in a lot of beginners desperate for a win. Not having an easy go to for cheap wins could turn off potential new sf players.
Posted by japo2300 on March 11, 2010 at 8:03 a.m. #99
if guile doesnt look good, vega isnt behind, just give them a chance when the game comes out, maybe with all the rebalance stuff they dont need more than they already have
Posted by Bamomo on March 11, 2010 at 8:07 a.m. #100
lmao@ Ryu_apprentice
Posted by Bibuki on March 11, 2010 at 8:14 a.m. #101
As a Guile mainer I'm a disappointed with all this. Some characters are just gonna be useless (Guile is shaping up to be the worst character from what we learn).
But at the same time, a good proportion of the cast is gonna be very competitive. So in the end, there's gonna be more diversity going on than in SFIV, which is very good.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 8:20 a.m. #102
@ Bibuki
"As a Guile mainer I'm a disappointed with all this. Some characters are just gonna be useless (Guile is shaping up to be the worst character from what we learn)."
I don' t agree
"But at the same time, there's gonna be more diversity going on than in SFIV, which is very good."
I agree
Posted by doublef on March 11, 2010 at 8:24 a.m. #103
I don't know what all you Guile players are complaining about.
Even if they did improve Guile, and made him the most amazing character in the game, all you guys would still do the whole round is double leg sweep followed by flash kick. So it doesn't even matter.
99% of Guile players have no idea how to play the game.
Posted by Bibuki on March 11, 2010 at 8:29 a.m. #104
@ Giubo
well I probably focus my attention on info about Guile, and it's mostly not too good. that's maybe why I perceive it that way. but if we base ourselves on the recent tier list (which is worth what it's worth), characters below Guile are Gen, who's definitely better, but even less people use him, Vega, who I guess is kinda in the same boat as Guile, and Dan, who's way better now with more useful projectiles and a good ultra.
I still win a lot with guile even if the character sucks, it doesn't prevent him from being one of the worst.
Posted by Bibuki on March 11, 2010 at 8:34 a.m. #105
@doublef
know that serious Guile players ask for really subtil tweaks (that actually may have happened in SSFIV, we don't know for sure). but you're right, some ask for ridiculously overpowered stuff.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 8:38 a.m. #106
I agree Bibuki, but anyway guys SF4 is a really balanced game... There are worse games. ( except Sagat .. )
Anyway i am really optimist with SSF4 that will be even more balanced.
Posted by kobra330 on March 11, 2010 at 8:43 a.m. #107
does this mean balrog can sweep znagiefs lariat now????
Posted by JerseyFame on March 11, 2010 at 8:47 a.m. #108
@108
what could a Guile player ask for that is overpowered?
Safe specials? Half the cast has those...tell me som ething safe about whiffing a flash kick...if a shoto whiffs a shoryuken he can do another immedieately after...gross.
A setup for ultra? More than half the cast has that...giving it to Guile is unfair? yeah right.
Capcom is killing me with this scrub love right now.
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 8:52 a.m. #109
@ 111
Are you saying a whiffed shoryu is not punishable? Really?
Posted by Put_Elena_in_SF on March 11, 2010 at 8:52 a.m. #110
I'm not hearing anything about Elena here.
Posted by DanceInTheDark on March 11, 2010 at 8:53 a.m. #111
As a Chun Li player, all of what i've heard about her is fantastico, she's gonna be so much better, I can't wait, as for Juri, she's gonna be amazing too, and it's good to see that Cammy is a little safer on spiral arrow now, confused me about the cannon spike being nerfed though, and I agree with nerfing lariat for Zangief, but I do have to agree with the gief players on health, he should have stayed at 1200, i've tried using him and it's hard for him to get in on people, he does have a hard time, but oh well, we'll see what happens when it comes out! Kikoushou!!!!!
Posted by J on March 11, 2010 at 8:53 a.m. #112
@ 113
That's because she is not in the game.
Posted by Sakura on March 11, 2010 at 8:58 a.m. #113
• Sakura can combo into her Ultra 2 without using any meter.
Fantastic!
• Ken's Hard Dragon Punch has more invincibility.
You've got to be F_ing Serious!!!
Posted by crazychillz on March 11, 2010 at 9:04 a.m. #114
guile's needed changes were subtle.
- faster start up on normals
- flash kick hitbox changed
- higher stun rating
- better ultra
- more damage on normals
- same recovery on all sonic booms
His videos already show a damage increase (considering the way the meter works hasnt changed), and nothing logically could be more useless than Flash Explosion.
the rest of the changes a non-guile player would not notice. Let's wait and decide on our own when the game comes out before we freak. The Guile community has always been a tightknit one, we'll figure it out.
Posted by OG on March 11, 2010 at 9:05 a.m. #115
Ken's SRK needed more invincibility? I guess people will be mashing it even more now.
Good to hear that DJ's machine gun punch is a charge move again.
Posted by chickenwings on March 11, 2010 at 9:06 a.m. #116
@jersyfame
the problem with guile is that its so retarded easy to fix him. Fix flash kick and his normals(his low forward should come out as fast as ryus) and ur done. Dont even worry about comboing the ultra. With that guile will be able to play like hyper fighting. And thats all any real guile player could want.
@109
Its a balanced game as soon as u take out the top 5 characters. Most of the cast is just a waste of time to play since someone else will do the same thing more effectively and alot easier(example, ken and ryu). Look at hdr, its still not perfectly balanced, but u see alot more of the cast used at tournament level(last evo u saw everyone used except t hawk and i think blanka)in sf4 its basicly the same maybe 6-8 characters and out of a full roster of 25 thats pretty dam said. Of course there always be weaker character in the game, but alot of the weaker characters in sf4 arent even worth useing.
Posted by DeeJay on March 11, 2010 at 9:12 a.m. #117
@60
Well,if you're going to enter a tourney, based on the way you play, be prepared for an early exit.
Anyway, nice to see my Machine Gun Punch is a charge move again.
Posted by GCLeague on March 11, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #118
BALANCED!!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Amar on March 11, 2010 at 9:22 a.m. #119
Dee Jay, Charlie, Remy > Guile. Why's he in this game? He's always been crap.
Posted by HarkMammil on March 11, 2010 at 9:26 a.m. #120
@113
And you probably won't hear about Elena until next year. Capcom said she's next on the list of characters for the next game.
As beautifully animated as she was in SF3, she's one of my favorite characters too.
Also, anyone notice that Hakan doesn't have pupils at the center of his eyes? Makes him look like Gannondorf(Zelda series). Actually, He kind of does look a like Gannon anyway doesn't he?
Posted by Amar on March 11, 2010 at 9:29 a.m. #121
The changes thus far are dissapointing, I was hoping for a lot more. The addition of over-powered turd strike characters is the only thing shaking up the tier list. This game will never be balanced unless everyone has a consistant way to combo into their ultras or if no one can. Doesn't matter how good the rest of your game play is in this street fighter series. Fei-long in sf4 would be top tier were he able to FADC into his full ultra.
Posted by Invader_Darko on March 11, 2010 at 9:39 a.m. #122
I have played against a good fei long that fadc flame kick int ultra. Granted it doesn't connect all the way it still hits a few times.
Posted by Invader_Darko on March 11, 2010 at 9:46 a.m. #123
what's the motion for sonic hurricane anyways? Is it hold back the forward back forward p3? if it is maybe you can combo it like balrogs where you hold down back flash kick the sonic hurricane. Or hold db flash kick fadc into sonic hurricane.
Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on March 11, 2010 at 9:51 a.m. #124
Guile is going to be ALOT better in SSF4. It seems that instead of giving him outright retarded buffs, they just nerfed stupid things alot of his bad matches had(brainless SRK counter for everything,sagat footsies,ultra damage output,Some moves being far too safe) etc etc.
Guile will REALLY benefit from this, and we already know his normals got boosted. Ryu's srk seems to work alot more like guiles flashkick, in that you actually have to time it now. Rufus needs to work more for his wins like Guile, sagat dies faster like guile, zangief dies faster...
No guile player should be worried at all.
Posted by Hayabusa2JZ on March 11, 2010 at 9:51 a.m. #125
welp time to write a new ken flow chart..............its done >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> >HP SHORYUKEN> more invincibility are you serous .
Posted by Danmartigan on March 11, 2010 at 9:58 a.m. #126
People complaining about Ken's fp DP have no idea what they are talking about. Go load up training mode and set the dummy to any character with a DP and then try to use Ken's fp DP against it. Then try to use any of Ken's DPs against another characters wakeup DP.
The only reason you hate this move is because scrubs mash it out, and you get hit by it...?
Posted by Jerm on March 11, 2010 at 10:03 a.m. #127
Stop complaining! The game isn't even out yet! Play for yourselves, then decide! And for those of you complaining about Guile, half of you don't don't even play with him!!! And as far as balance is concerned, sf4 is definately more balanced than other games such as third strike (an overpowered Chun-Li w/SAII, not that I mind, I've used Chun forever) MvC2 (Storm, Cable AND Magneto on the same team= death) and several others. My main point is, please stop complaining! And you were offended even a little bit by this, that means I'm talking to you! I hope you people don't whine like this in real life...My goodness...
Posted by Amar on March 11, 2010 at 10:07 a.m. #128
@ 125 The few times out of the FADC that Fei-long's ultra hits is the equivilent to one EX-less Ryu combo. Capcom doesn't seem to get it. Ken needs rightfully more damage on his heavy shoryuken than more invincibility on an invincible move. More so, he needs sweep frames with Ryu and Akuma, he shouldn't have a slower walk speed than Ryu, and his HK overhead needs to be less slow. After that, a consistant way to combo into ultra 2.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 10:08 a.m. #129
Yeah i agree Jerm, let' s wait when the game is out, after that, we can do conclusions.
Posted by juxtapose on March 11, 2010 at 10:12 a.m. #130
There are SOOOOOOOOOO many stupid people on this website.
THIS IS NOT THE COMPLETE LIST OF CHANGES TO THE GAME!!!
Just because one move gets worse, doesn't mean another doesn't get better. STOP ASSUMING ONE CHANGE IS GOING TO CRIPPLE A CHARACTER. WAIT UNTIL THE GAME COMES OUT!!!
Posted by Ex_Ein on March 11, 2010 at 10:16 a.m. #131
WTF i though they said abel ultra 2 had ultra armor
Posted by Amar on March 11, 2010 at 10:26 a.m. #132
@ 33 Anything Guile can do, Dee Jay can do better. It was like that in ST. Guile's flash kick hits grounded people where Dee Jay's upkicks usually miss, but dee jay can like the MK version twice and then follow up with 1 or 2 hits of his super. Atleast in the SF2 days. And I agree: Guile = out, Charlie = in. Anyone happy with Guile obviously didn't play Charlie.
Posted by moomeacow on March 11, 2010 at 10:31 a.m. #133
@67 no ken can only get you in full ultra 1 with fadc if its a counter hit and that is bull his partial dmg on ultra is garbage comaprable with sakuras ultra difference is his takes 2 bars sakura takes 1
and @129 agree with you completely people know nothing about kens fierce dp it is complete s**t for anti air it gets hit out by anything
Posted by Hayabusa2JZ on March 11, 2010 at 10:36 a.m. #134
Danmartigan YOU MUST BE A COMPLETE SCRUB. I dont get hit by it but when you take a ken players game away all they do is whore it. A) it has so much invincibility on startup so it can beat out anything B) it has almost no recovery time so in order to counter attack you have to wait for the 2nd one to be mashed out and sometimes even a third. you guys saying it is complete s#%t loll funny you have to be ken scrub players.
Posted by Cauptain on March 11, 2010 at 10:39 a.m. #135
Ono is more weak producer on CRAPCOM.
CRAPCOM never learned to balance any SF game after SUPERTURBO.
It's amazing how it weakens the strongers when they should strengthen the weakers. (facepalm here)
Too bad the producers of old SF2 versions are gone. Good times do not return...nevermore.
Posted by moomeacow on March 11, 2010 at 10:45 a.m. #136
@137 LOL judging by your comment it seems your the scrub that gets hit by Fierce Dp mashers, at high levels play kens do not use fierce for AA go watch some tournament videos kens main AA is his medium punch srk and its risky if you do the deep cause first hit lands 2nd hit whiffs, fierce dp can get hit out like it was normal move complete garbage right now, its only good for a combo ender
Posted by Firegod on March 11, 2010 at 10:55 a.m. #137
to be quite honest with you, i could care less about ken getting more invinci on his uppercut. I want the new move they promised like 4 months ago so that Ken can feel better as a character.
I guess the invinci will help much, but it still doesnt give a decent FADC option unless the second ultra can actually be fadced.
Posted by Chisin_Jong on March 11, 2010 at 10:59 a.m. #138
Invincibility frames for kens HP shoryuken means he would probably be able to do as an anti-air, and if u do it as an anti-air FADC, the full ultra combo would connect.
Posted by kurokiba on March 11, 2010 at 11 a.m. #139
guys, i have a riddle: what has two thumbs and is a complete scrub? Answer: Anybody that complains about anybody being op, complains about something they dont know about, complains about Guile being useless (cause hes not!), or states that Dee Jay and Guile are essentially the same... cause they are not!!!!
Posted by oldboy on March 11, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. #140
@137 When Ken Lands, regardless of what srk he did, there are 9 frames of recovery. I don't know what character you play but most characters can get a really good punish in during a nine frame recovery window. With viper I can punish him with just about anything. Some punishes I don't even have to wait for him to land. In general its just a very punishable move.
@127 That's the way I feel about Viper. With all these nerf's I'm seeing I'm just glad viper got a very minor nerf(1-2 frames more on m.tk). At this rate I expect her to be very good in this game just because a lot of the more powerful characters have weakened.
Posted by moomeacow on March 11, 2010 at 11:03 a.m. #141
@ 140 well supposedly the rumor going around is ultra 1 connects fully on fadc now , which I hope is true considering you can't connect ultra 2 with fadc and partial dmg on ultra 1 was s**t
Posted by Danmartigan on March 11, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #142
Oh, Hayabusa2JZ with the name calling. Learn to play... and change your diapers kid.
Posted by SteadiestShark on March 11, 2010 at 11:20 a.m. #143
@ 127 - whilst I don't think he'll be "ALOT better", that's an interesting way of looking at things.
@ 131 - Bang on, Ken really should be better. He should be faster than Ryu if anything...
I'm curious about all the other things we heard like Ken's dash speed being faster, cr.HK being faster and Guile's normals being better etc. Seems like nobody has the penultimate answers...
Posted by Phatty on March 11, 2010 at 11:22 a.m. #144
SSF4 ALTS LEAKED! BISON IS IRON MAN!
http://shoryuken.com/content.php?r=35...
Posted by catscratch on March 11, 2010 at 11:27 a.m. #145
Nah, a few subtle tweaks to normals will put Guile on the map. Up hitstun on c.lp by 1 and the link to c.mp is going to be much easier and more consistent. Up hitstun on his overhead by a bit so that you can link it into stuff and use it for offensive pressure, and you can follow up target combo with more stuff. Guile having only 1-frame links sort of defeats the purpose behind hitconfirming with link combos; the idea of hitconfirm is to skew the risk/reward ratio in your favor, and what's the point of doing that with difficult, risky, inconsistent links? Easier links = more offensive pressure for Guile.
Flashkick hitbox improvements are nice, but Guile already has so many AA normals that you can basically leave FK as a reversal, and more range on HK Flashkick is a good thing.
Faster FAs = less need for Ultra setups outside of Lvl2/3 FAs.
Most of Guile's bad matchups come from characters that can either outzone him (Sagat, Seth, Ryu) or have ways around Guile's zoning and specifically can deal with offensive SB setups (Viper); Guile can get a TON of mileage out of following SBs in and countering opponent's response. But changes to normals will open up Guile's footsie game and let him deal more offensive pressure in situations that he can't deal with now, which will mean that he can be played in more than one way. That will give him a different viable approach in bad matchups and will make his life easier.
Honestly... I think Guile will be OK. His 7-3's will probably be 6-4's at worst and in those the better player usually wins anyway.
I'm more worried about Gen. The only clear thing here is that Gen is going to be different. I liked Gen as a character already, and he isn't low tier in the least; with the redesign there is always a chance that they will mess him up. But, I think there's no way they'll leave him as old Gen minus MK Hands, EX Oga, and jump trajectory. That would put him at sub-Dan tier.
Also, Blanka with even better normals will be beastly.
Posted by Cammy on March 11, 2010 at 11:41 a.m. #146
I obviously main Cammy, but from time to time I do get around playing Guile and, I must say, I don't know why you guys think he's so bad.
The man has only two moves, but their are very effective, specially using the EX metter.
The only problemn I have is landing the ultra, but that's not because there isn't oportunities. There will allways be an oportunity in a match. The only reason I don't take avantage of that, is because I find the imput hard to do when beeing presure, and I end up screwing things up.
But that's not ther chars fault. If I were better, I wouldn't miss and always land the ultra when I intend to. And if I could do that, I see no problem facing anyone with good old Guile.
I see no reason why regular Guile players, better than myself, wouldn't have a chance against any top tier char.
PS: Granted- chars with excelent overheads and crossups do represent a problem, but, once again, is just a matter of beeing able to use the Ultra whenever you see an opening. There's allways one.
Posted by OMARAK on March 11, 2010 at 11:45 a.m. #147
April 27 is too far!
Posted by RyuSpirit on March 11, 2010 at 11:47 a.m. #148
IM VERY HAPPY
they nerfed sagat and gief now i gonna destroy them with Ryu
Fukin scrubs
Posted by Pusha_T on March 11, 2010 at 11:49 a.m. #149
Oooh those alts look sick.
Akuma's alt is cool. Very cool
Adon's alt is nice
ibuki- her school uniform
guys alt is nice too
deejays alt is my face
abel's alt- solid snake
t,hawks alt-????? Not bad I guess
seths alt - gill reference ????
Dudley's alt- he looks like Freddy mercury
bisons alt- WTF ?? It looks......different.
Posted by brujometal on March 11, 2010 at 11:49 a.m. #150
Alrtenate costumes!!!!!
http://shoryuken.com/content.php?r=35...
Posted by mhurtado07 on March 11, 2010 at 11:55 a.m. #151
Give Vega invincibility for his wall moves on startup at least. And make blanka rolls safer.
Posted by Bibuki on March 11, 2010 at 12:01 p.m. #152
daaaaamn no choice but to have alt characters this time around. deejay looks wayyy too cool to be overlooked (along with Guile, just can't abandon him). and both of ibuki's costumes are equally awesome. man I'm glad/surprised at how cool capcom could come up with some cool alts
Posted by SmoothJK on March 11, 2010 at 12:04 p.m. #153
#149 There are not always opportunities to use ultra, actually. The start-up, range, and invincibility are all horrible, so even if you see an opening, chances are the opponent will recover in time and punish you. If you want to use it as an anti-air, you have to do it really early into the opponent's jump, and you get three measly hits out of it instead of the full juggle. Most of the time, the opponent will land in time to block and punish you anyway.
If it were as easy as you say, pro Guile players would be using ultra all the time. Instead, you end up seeing it in about 5% of matches because it's too difficult to pull off in a real match or not worth the effort/risk.
Posted by Raius1 on March 11, 2010 at 12:19 p.m. #154
Ryu's alt looks ridiculous. Belt goes on UNDER the Hakama! You'd think native Japanese would know this.
Posted by Justinbehungry on March 11, 2010 at 12:20 p.m. #155
I really don't think cammy should have been nerfed.
her hk. cs does 150, while ryu's srk does 160, akuma's does 190, and sagat's does 170.
Why is she losing damage?
=/
Posted by Psycho on March 11, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. #156
Ken gets invincibility on his strong DP, what a bout Vega and his scarlet terror? he needs them ASAP!!
Posted by BajanBlanka on March 11, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. #157
LOL@guys like jerseyfame crying about guile. According to alot of the pros guile is a move or 2 away from actually being broken.
Maybe you should learn to play more like this guile...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG4O_v...
Posted by toge on March 11, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. #158
podcast up now you hakan trolling arses
http://shoryuken.com/content.php?r=34...
Posted by Cammy on March 11, 2010 at 12:29 p.m. #159
A lot of alt. costumes look good this time.
Posted by Psycho on March 11, 2010 at 12:34 p.m. #160
bah ken needed a better DP anyways, his DP sucks in SFIV even Dan has a better one
Posted by darko_p86 on March 11, 2010 at 12:34 p.m. #161
@127
ohhh man i really hope youre right. but wouldnt it have been cool for Guile to have another special move? almost every combo and startups are centered around the sonic boom, if we would have another, it would give us more options, and maybe it would even force us to go in more strategically.
But what kind of another special would Guile have??? (in future games, its too late for SSF4, I KNOW) Maybe flip’s like Vega, or a roll like Abel? Im still thinkin about that one.
Posted by FOOLS on March 11, 2010 at 12:37 p.m. #162
#106 is EXACTLY EXACTLY RIGHT.
Posted by ricefarmer on March 11, 2010 at 12:48 p.m. #163
i want to know whats going on with damage scaling... they better reward long technical combos this time
Posted by crosell on March 11, 2010 at 12:49 p.m. #164
i think sakura really needs to get BUFFED
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sol3Chris...
Posted by crosell on March 11, 2010 at 12:50 p.m. #165
srry wrong link lol,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcuDH4...
Posted by K on March 11, 2010 at 12:52 p.m. #166
SF4 can be fast enough, but I'm glad the games getting faster. Ken could use some tweaks in his favor, but I'd prefer if the direction of his imporvement would be as a kick character than fireball/dp one. LOL @ the guile comment. The alternates just posted are looking really good. Akuma looks beastly. I actually like Makoto's farm one. Bison looks Power Rangery. Do not like. They should have made him with a cape.
Posted by Orberen on March 11, 2010 at 12:53 p.m. #167
no fei long buffs?
like cr.mk>rekka
or chicken wing is overhead
or comboing off the overhead kick?
Any of those would have been nice.
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 12:54 p.m. #168
@ 164
Guile had always have 2 moves, sonic boom and flash kick, i don' t think capcom will give him new moves.
Posted by OMARAK on March 11, 2010 at 12:54 p.m. #169
Meh the person who used Sakura wasnt that good.
Posted by LiangHuBBB on March 11, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. #170
All alts are revealed except Sagat's and Vega's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klookW...
Posted by Psycho on March 11, 2010 at 1:09 p.m. #171
They should have given Dudley a Tuxedo, he looks weird
Posted by Giubo on March 11, 2010 at 1:14 p.m. #172
When is capcom going to make the tournament with the new characters? I heard about this new weeks ago.
Or am i in mystake?
Posted by Guile on March 11, 2010 at 2:11 p.m. #173
Guile players double sweep and bait for flash kicks?
What kind of complete scrub guile players are u guys playing?
i hardly ever use double sweep in footsies. i mostly do crouching medium kick.
flash kick baiting? im more likely to bait and use shuryukens with shotos then bait and use flash kick since it is utterly useless. i mostly just combo into it
people completely misunderstand guile. First people say Deejay is a version of guile. NO charlie is and even remy can be considered "versions" of him. Deejay is not like em, just has a crappy version of the sonic boom. Is sagat a versin of the shotos cuz hes got similar specials? NO, and u wouldnt consider him as a replacement. thats why i dont accept deejay as a replacement for guile cuz he aint the same sorta thing.
Second, people keep thinkign we wanna turtle it out with em. not true, no one is asking flash kick to return to its WW functinoality, we just want it to work. A lot of suggestions on offensive improvements have suggested (mk crossup, comboable SH for example, improved normals, more damage)
Posted by THawk on March 11, 2010 at 2:26 p.m. #174
Does that mean I have the most stamina in the game now? I can crush the Red Cyclone?
Posted by Amar on March 11, 2010 at 3:15 p.m. #175
@ 176 The "sonic boom" comment seems to be opinion. Dee jay had faster recovery with his Max Out in ST and his max out recovery was GDLK in Alpha 3. It's not crappy, just different.
Posted by Guile on March 11, 2010 at 4:29 p.m. #176
@178
ur right that it was just an opinion and it was intended to be. but it was just a trivial point and has no bearing on my argument. i jsut wanted to say they are similar on that one move which u and i both agree they arent even exactly identical on. So point taken.
although i'd still say a super slow fast recovery sb and ex sb is the best thing going on for guile at the moment.
Posted by kara on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 p.m. #177
500 stun on hit ?!?!?! o boy....
Posted by kara on March 11, 2010 at 5:10 p.m. #178
^^^^^^^
sorry i meant
500 stun on block?!?!?!? oh boi...
Posted by Rose on March 11, 2010 at 5:19 p.m. #179
#176: " Is sagat a versin of the shotos cuz hes got similar specials?"
Of course.
Posted by Gunga on March 11, 2010 at 6:28 p.m. #180
Oh boy guys i cant wait for the new game!
Posted by JerseyFame on March 11, 2010 at 6:55 p.m. #181
@BajanBlanka
That Guile was pedestrian. I use guile like chuck Norris...99% chance you will see me use every single one of his normals in a match. I have a 759,000+ replay up with Guile right now. Xbox live...search my name.
Guile is artistic in the ring...if they corrected his range on normals and his speed in outputting normals and if they also gave him 2 frame links instead of one, you guys are finished.
Posted by chickenwings on March 11, 2010 at 9:08 p.m. #182
the change to kens dp was un needed. Its just gonna have people mash it even more. Ur not supposed to anti air with it anyway, ur supposed to combo into it. Ken is fine the way he is, the only thing he needed was to adjust the ultra to do the bulk of the dmg at the end like sagat, to let him combo it from a fadc and to have his strong dp knock down. THe only reason people say he sucks is cause ryu has sagat stats.
Posted by Novacane on March 11, 2010 at 10:24 p.m. #183
and yet no changes to Fei long i am very dissapointed.
And all u people complaining about all kens mashing out DP's online. Why complain? i mean its not like they are wooping your A$$ are they?
If u hate seeing weak players online all the time, and see a good player every once in a blue moon, MIGHT AS WELL PLAY AT THE ARCADES.
This is reason why many top players rely on the arcades over consoles to improve their game, because they know damn right there would be better competition at the arcade.
Yea they pump alot of quarters (actually u get rechargable cards these days which u can actually earn some of those tokens back and get discounts) , but it all pays off when they join a tournament and end up winning all that kash muhnee.
All in all dont rely on competetion for the console version other than pulling off your exucution.
And if u still B^tch about it then u must love getting suckered in to everything and love to b^tch about it afterwards.
Posted by SurgeFist on March 12, 2010 at 1:09 a.m. #184
I want a stick.
Posted by BajanBlanka on March 12, 2010 at 1:36 a.m. #185
Well jersey if you play better then that guile then what is your problem? You need guile to be top for you to be satisfied? Don't you take pride in being able to beat people with an apparent "lower" tier character?
Posted by Raius1 on March 12, 2010 at 6:21 a.m. #186
I really hate these idiot comments about SF4 not being balanced. According to match-up data, which is how balance is measured, it's one of the MOST balanced fighting games EVER. As far as SSF4 not being balanced, it's not even out yet!
Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on March 14, 2010 at 1:44 p.m. #187
Wow, if that Guile sucks then i guess tourny commentators saying he's the best Guile in the US doesn't mean anything next to keyboard warriors.
I hate his style too, but saying he sucks when you haven't
A) Played against him and actually won
B) Played against the high-profile people he's played and won
Is scrubby.
Posted by mr_e on March 14, 2010 at 6:35 p.m. #188
T-Hawk should not have faster footspeed. the guy is huge & im sure he'll do damage on par with zangief so it'll b overkill. he has a decent AA so it's all good for him. it's interesting that giefs health has been nerfed. i wonder who'll have d biggest health now (sagat got a health downgrade lol like it'll matter he'll still dominate many matches). people who complain bout giefs lariat bein nerfed...it was bound 2 happen. at least when gief does his lariat he's theoretically immune 2 cross up attacks. Dee Jay is similar 2 guile...then again Dee Jay has a move that chun-li players have been wanting back. so either way u get stun damage if u get hit by goukens denjin, not bad cant wait 2 test it out.
Posted by mr_e on March 14, 2010 at 6:46 p.m. #189
ken having more invincibility durin his hard shoryuken...i'll have to see how it'll affect the overall strategy(s) of ken players. faster FA now thats great it'll come in handy. to all the people clamoring for elena...give up she's not comin in this game (im a fan of her's so its sad but we gotta face reality). a match between Dee Jay & Guile should be interesting. at least Guile has a slight advantage in that he'll grab u in d air. in the end...we have to wait till april comes around. happy gamin y'all :) (note the sarcasm in my 1st line lol a lotta spammin hard shoryukens are comin your way lol)
Posted by StagnantNachos on March 16, 2010 at 8:39 a.m. #190
All I know is that even if Guile and Vega are both as bad as they are in SSF4 that's just fine with me. Cause ill just be playing the same exact way I am now in SF4, although this nonsense about Vega's ex sky high not going through the opponent is bull! That what my main tool for mix ups against other charge characters (hopefully it still goes through fireballs)
Posted by StagnantNachos on March 16, 2010 at 8:41 a.m. #191
@ 194
that was**
