List of Super Street Fighter 4 gameplay changes from MrWizard

What I want to know is, if Zangief jumps in the air and a shoto does a shoryuken, if Zangief activates ultra 2 in the air, will it beat the shoryuken?

As an akuma player I am glad with this build of him and the rest seems OK and balanced. Thank God they bring Ryu down to earth and make him less perfect.

ffs capcom, buff Zangief & nerf that broken blanka already!

wow, apparently from many sources, guile still blows.

nice job capcom. you effin' douches.

Lack of E Honda changes makes me sad :(

"Guile: He seems to have been given nothing. Sonic Hurricane, his Ultra 2 is not good. Super into Ultra 2 is the only known combo into it. Down+Taunt puts on glasses, but doesn't give him any buffs or advantages."

GRRRRRRRRRRR !!! -_-' Guys, I hate capcom...

Guys, relax a bit. Wizard got to play the game for a day, there's NO WAY he found all of the changes Capcom made to the game in that period of time.

There's plenty more things waiting to be discovered.

"Cammy: Spiral Arrow (Cannon Drill) got a little better. Cannon Spike (Dragon Punch) damage nerfed pretty hard. Her Ultra 2 is terrible, it can be broken by moves that are Armor Breaking."

FUK you, Capcom...FUK you very hard...

Dude i guess guile wont be my main for long

Damage is down on my DP and my DP trade ultra doesn't work anymore. Why? There's a very simple solution to not getting hit by both of those, but I guess now scrubs can just keep on jumping at Ryu.

It just makes Ryu a little less TOO good.

Why doesn't Vega's EX Sky High Claw go through anymore? That doesn't make any sense... I hope it still gets the knockdown.

guile will be my main, regardless.

i'll just be pissed and i'll i think i'll wait to get the game on ebay. eff capcom.

We can't flashkick, SADC to sonic hurricane with Guile?

capcom "oiled up" some the characters in the a55

well good job capcom take away gen bnb and dont even give the man his chains well seems they fuk my character up just good.

hopefully this guy who got to play is wrong on a lot of things.

@10

let them jump, getting hit with a level 2 focus into your combo of choice will teachem. Plus im sure jumping medium and fadc will still work so i dont think your gonna be any worse off

It's funny how they break Ryu in half, but Sagat still has his roundhouse into ultra and a DP buffer move.

This was the main reason why Ryu is good, couse' he can come back from a losing situation... but... not anymore. They nerfed his fadc ultra combo. Guess the light DP into ultra still works, couse it's not a trade.

And finaly, they nerfed Cammy a lot. No random bullpies and lag abuse with lucky dp-s and stuff :D

Guess there aren't any new moves for the characters... bummer. I mean, you have now a wall bounce system.

But, i don't really care. Makoto seems okay, Sakura is better, Ibuki is godlike, Guy good... i will get by somehow :D

ooooooh im glad guile got fixed lol

...that was the last thing gen needed was a nerf

@11
Look at Ryu's matchup data. Yes, everyone has to work to beat him, but he also has to work to beat everyone else. He has quite a few 5s across the board. I wouldn't really call that "too good."

@16
Using focus to counter jump ins is a bit risky. When I see my opponents doing that, I jump in with an attack and follow up with an uppercut that comes out before they release the focus attack. If I do it, I could end up eating the ultra. If I'm throwing fireballs, sometimes DP is the only thing I can get out fast enough to someone that thought it was a good idea to try to jump over one.

Ah well. I'm gonna get the game regardless, so I'll wait to play it before I QQ more.

And Ken stayed the same, with a crapy new ultra... Damdai gonna be pissed X)

@20 Maybe I'm just prejudiced against Ryu's trade DP Ultra seeing as I play Vega.

Also, no way should any Ultra get beaten by an armour-breaking move. Especially counter-ultras. By their very definition they should be better than regular ultras as they can't be comboed into, and you need to know when to activate them to hit.
Seth said that patches were an option? This is going to most likely get patched I'd say.

whoo Joke characters gonna be top tier?

im liking the look of changes for the most part but even though i dont play guile or cammy i think capcom should have buffed them a bit i mean at least make his ultras more combo-able like off of a anti-air Flash kick. and cammy's cannon spike should not have been nerfed from when i play against her online its the only aspect i have problems with it feels like she would be very weak without that aspect. and just as speculation i really think fuerte is guna jump up the tier listings with a new very good ultra and faster normals. and i still strongly feel that vegas claw should do extra chip damage. Just my opinions on all this

Haha Cody=Landa from Inglounous basterd

Omigosh, Counter Ultras being broken by an Armor Break...what kind of joke is that? the next change what will be? Cammy and Fei Long's Ultra I being nerfed too?

I play Vega, and while I think it seems like his claw should do chip damage, it's not like Cody's knife, where you have to pick it up, and if you get hit once you drop it. Vega's holding it from the very beginning, and it takes a good bit of time for him to drop it.

Now, if his claw did chip damage when his mask was off (as well as the current 10% damage increase), I would be 100% okay with it.

"Rose seems really powerful"
*sniff* Oh how I've waited to hear those words.

Nerfing my main Rufus makes me a saaaad panda. Looks like I'll be moving on to one of the 3s chars or Dee Jay

No changes to guile?
Thanks gonna switch to deejay.

All I read was:

Rose, Dudley, ChunLi, Sakura are good
Gen, Guy and Guile are bad
Sagat no real change

Lets go Dudley!!!

I might need to play around with the rose orbs if they are anything like Striders ouroboros and Oros Tengu Stones...

so no real changes to guile i mean for me then theirs no real excitement 4 this game(and i was really hyped 4 this game)but that statement has put a real downer on it 4 me.

Pff I don't need any buffs. DRAGON PUNCH FTW.

but on a more serious note. fk u capcom for nerfing my cammy. So much for the Sagat being turn down. Sounds like hes still going to be the same. Its nice to hear Chun li is gonna be better and same with Sakura. Also changes to Ryu is very welcome. Maybe people might play more then just Ryu you now. Sad to hear Akuma isn't being nerf that much. I seriously hate him. Think its awsome Dan is getting buffed up a bit too. GO DAN! and lol at ppl still qqing about Guile.

hopefully he is wrong about guile because as cactusjack wrote, my excitement 4 this game is also centered around guile.

Though its a huge let down, will jut have 2 wait and c 4 our selves. :(

LOL
Breakable Counter Ultras, blockable Denjin, Tazzmania Ultra?
What next?
They are ruining the game, or ruined already if thats all true.

man capcom know nothing of balance! its not like vega will have better match-ups now because he can hold onto his mask for longer,

i bet the only reason they nerfed the lower teirs is because it probably didnt work well with some of the new characters. i can imagine-

'What gen has an infinite combo on dudley? i know! we'll just take away that move...Bingo! job well done, deadline achieved'

SSF4 seems more unbalanced, it contains a lot more stronger characters and a lot of characters that don't have much to work with.

From who?

They had to make the denjin properties different because if it was unblockable that would be too broken and you could not do anything and you would just take hits.

It was fine in 3s because all you had to do was just parry. You obviously cant do that in this game giving you no way to counter it if he does a LK hurricane or LP SRK then charges denjin. He would get free hits, you would probably stun and then he will go into a combo for serious damage. It would just be unfair.

Oh my comment was directed to Someday btw. :D

- two hits on ryu's srk?
- dash punch doesnt combo into hard srk?
- trades into ultra being removed? really? metsu hado only did like 398 at full meter, its not like sagat doing 600

= F*CK YOU CAPCOM

@ 14 OMG I LOL'd so hard!

If your character has a two, working legs... you can jump over it :D

Ken cant fadc combo into new ultra? LAME!

lol @ 36

it's good to see the real names on scrubs now that you have to register

I was expecting Guile to link or cancel or whatever you call it, his cr. MK into his new ultra just like in Cvs2 and blanka in SFIV I guess was wrong :( also didn't they say that Guile's normals were improved? isn't that a good thing? i don't know cuause I'm not a Guile player.

Oh, my... So my cannon spiked got damage nerfed? That was my main weapon!

Not thrilled about the fact that my counter ultra can be hit, too. =/

Seems like I'll have a way harder time getting wins now.

@ 14 True story man looool

I no longer fear Sumo Headbutting into a counter Ultra. Feels good man.

I wonder high Dan will move up in the tiers. Hakan's ultras so risque.

I could have swore they said they were giving Ken a new move. If by new move, they meant his ultra2 then F-CK YOU CRAPCOM.

I hope that just temporal version...

wow opinionated the whole way through its like reading fox news i swear thanks srk for giving us your spin on everything instead of letting us decide.

What exactly does it mean when they say "Trades into Ultra from Dragon Punches are gone, and most trades into Ultra from Street Fighter 4 are gone"? I don't know much about SF terminology.

It means say if you jump in at Ryu and he hits you with a Shoryuken, but at the same time you hit him with a move. The moves will trade and you'll both hit each other.

Ryu used to be able to connect an Ultra after these 2 moves traded. Not any more thankfully.

yea hopefully they took sagat trade out too but who cares my character got nerf to hell rest in peace gen it was good knowing you.

it funny how they made him wrost it seems then in sf4. i would do anything to have the alpha 3 version of gen in the game.

speaking of trades..... I guess a flash kick trade to ultra 2 is not an option for Guile :(

I want my Cannon Spike damage back! T__T

@ rpgfighter

Okay, but you cant land it at full damage anyway.
Only 5 hits after throw with minimum damage?
Why you should prefer this one over shin shoryu?
My guess - this ultra must not exist at all.
Big fail.

@Cammy (60)

I want it too...there's no other character I enjoy more to play with like Cammy...

its funny how guys bitchin about how the game is unbalanced and never played the game...thank god rufus got nerfed...lets see how many people gonna start goin on the hakan wagon once they hear hes good

Hey #55 MAXOUT12 aren't you the guy that was constantly defending the "awesomeness" of counter ultras in the SRK forums and got constantly rebutted?

Butthurt much?

Vega (Claw): Seemed the same. His Claw stays on a lot longer now, though. EX-Wall Dive off the wall doesn't go through opponent anymore.

Seriously Capcom is this a buff to you? Fck if Vega ends up low tier again I'm not playing him anymore, I'm sick of the stupid nerfs in this game!! I guess I'll play Dee Jay or Dudley for now.

Sakura sounds much better! Hell yeah.

wonder what the start up on El fuerte ultra would allow him to cancel run and ultra 2 before they can jump on reaction.. would be pretty neat to have them guess between an ex guacamole or ultra with the rest of his wakeup game to lock down a character even more so when they get the hang of blocking your shenanigans.
And for rose ultra2 would the ultra dissipate from block damage or stay until full hits are achieve/timer if their is one?

This is whats balancing is all about.

Low tier > mid tier

Mid tier > high tier

High tier> high/mid tier

Im preordering right now

So glad Rose got a few buffs!!!

Please give Vega a good anti-air for god's sake!!

@FDream

You forgot this:

Cammy&Fei Long > Bottom tier

@ Chryo
Not realy considering that the attack is still very usable i love when players think something is impossible just to have it proven to be very possible. But i guesses before anyone will belive that the counter can work well we have to wait until justin or dagio falls into it.

still though i would of liked just the facts without the opinons attached to it all the time from srk

lol all i read was he lost this she lost that, so what was this their brilliant idea of rebalancing the characters? just getting rid of moves?

abel got faster sweep?

Wow if he is right the nerfed Ryu hard I mean they took out most of the stuff Ryu needs and people are just all happy but then will be complaing when every scrub is playing with dudley and but raping everyone u might as well call dudley the new sagat both are probaly going to be s Rank

Why Cammy, so you can spam them again for free for nonsense damage? :D Learn some combos, an setups for her and stop rely on lag :D

they ruined gen

well I wont be surprised IF capcom didnt give guile nothing but his 2nd ultra. they hate him for some reason. its just what i expected from capcom to fuk us over. i just hope this wizard is wrong about guile. nevertheless, ill still main him

But is it more fun to play?

I'm pretty sure people will just stick to the shotos and won't make the switch to Dudley
But he does have a DP....hmmm

We'll probably see more Ken's than Ryu's because he (according to the notes) stayed basically the same with an improved hadouken.

But I'd rather lose to a Dudley than to a Ryu/Sagat.

Nice Akuma Guys.
realy nice.

hell yeah. my girl sakura is gonna be a monster now. im almost scared to play with her. im gonna be even deadlier with her now. prepair yourselves.

chun li sounds godly, and sakura/rose sound pretty good too. This is gonna be interesting.

@ MokiSenpai on March 10, 2010 at 5:02 a.m. #76

Cannon Spike IS my combo. All my best combos ends with a single Cannon Spike or FADC-Cannon Spike/FABDC Ultra

=/ So taking away damage from the Cannon Spike will have a serious implication on all my combos.

Btw, Ultra 2 won't be useless, but, serious, why do armor brake moves have to be able to hit it?! Doesn't seem unfair to think counter ultras could beat armor breake moves, cause if you don't wanna get hit, all you have to do is stay put and don't attack. How is that unfair?

Gen... You are a broken down shell of a man that once was. My heart goes out to all Gen players!

@ Posted by EnglishKidChin on March 10, 2010 at 5:33 a.m. #85

Well, the old man IS very sick, so... maybe it's a storyline-based nerf? =p

@ Cammy

Well, you can also combo de first ultra after a "ground" EX Cannon Strike, it's a little harder, but...I think the best combos now will be finished with de Super Combo (because you can connect it with the heavy Spiral Arrow, so if the Spiral Arrow is better now...).

And you can say it, these counter ultras are SH*T and useless...

@BK
Get outta here you Sakura scrub.

Dudley: Not much to add to Justin Wong's video, but he is probably #1 in the game. we'll see about that

Soul Reflect into Soul Throw or Ultra 1 F***in yes

Well, with the new wall bounce mechanics, I'm wondering if Gen has new tricks (old tricks?) to play with. If I know Gen players, they are certainly some of the most intelligent, strategy-driven people in the scene. They'll find a way to overcome. :-)

Fortunately for me, both of my characters of choice (Sakura/Rose) got some nice additions. I'm going to loooove love love soul reflect into soul throw. Good times.

All you people complaining about Capcom not buffing Guile. I say shut your hole and play what Guile already has. You're lucky they didn't nerf his hit points to where it has the same amount as Dhalism.

randomjohn your an idiot, why the hell would nerfing guile's health be realistic. The guile players have a right to be angry that he will still be low tier and everyone knows it. Personally why give ryu a 2 hit dp with sagat still keeps his 1 hit????? Nerf ryu SRK FADC but keep sagat's almost as powerful? Capcom you suck

Finally! No more bubblegum Akuma crybabies!

*Sees cannon spike nerf*

*Hangs self*

So far it's not looking good, but a lot of the changes in this game don't seem 'right'.

I think there's much more going on than found.

VEGA SEEMED THE SAME?

HAS CAPCOM LEARNED NOTHING?

OR IS THIS GUY JUST CLUELESS?

no need to hate on sakura phil. just cause you dont like how much ass shes gonna kick now doesnt mean you gotta hate homie. i told yall from the beginning. if weaker character got stronger and pros been killin with the former ones, this is gonna becomes childs play for us. as you can see, i just attracted a child. dont play with me. im too old for people like you. i just wanna enjoy the game like everyone else.

onto next topic. i wonder if they fixed the length of abels grab. it sucks tryin to grab and the hands just go through the opponent unless you're all the way up on them.

Faster normals for Fuerte is going to help a LOT XD I am very happy about this. Ultra 2 should make the mixup a lot more effective and also help in his defense :D Fuerte FTW!!!

I was hoping for some significants changes for Gouken. So fun to play.

But overall, I must say that i'm pretty happy about the changes to Sakura, Rose and Rufus. So sad for Adon.

The balance seens ok. People should stop whining about some of the nerfs.
The only sad thing is that they buffed Rose while she was already very good (but since nobody played her nobody knew) and did apparently Dudley way too strong.

Seriously, you guys all need to calm the hell down.

You did nothing but bitch about the last set of supposed gameplay changes and they turned out to be mostly wrong. Are we really not going to take this with a grain of salt and wait until the game actually releases?

This guy played the game for one day. There's no way he found all the tweaks to all 35 characters. Get over yourselves and put your thumbs back in your mouths until April.