Super Street Fighter 4 gameplay notes, select screen

Posted by Anonymous on March 1, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. #1

The new colors seem cool. I would've preferred SF4 PC effects, though.

Posted by sexy on March 1, 2010 at 7:24 p.m. #2

time to get oiled up!

Posted by wow on March 1, 2010 at 7:25 p.m. #3

the most exciting things on this list are the new color options. I was always upset on how SF 4 gameplay graphics are so bland compared to the way they were marketed in the trailers with ink dashes and pencil sketches.

imo

Posted by Megatonbeef on March 1, 2010 at 7:25 p.m. #4

Why nerf Viper Medium thunder knuckle isn't game breaking or an all purpose attack?

Posted by WoW on March 1, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #5

So no more Stupid Trials TY SOOO much Capcom...I mean using gief and playing for 10 hours to get some colors and taunts was really really stupid. TY SOOO FREAKEN MUCH.

Posted by Geese on March 1, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #6

Those Juri follow-up kick names make me get all tingly inside. I love you Capcom.

Posted by Adjacent on March 1, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #7

Sounds like Hakan's second Ultra is a counter

Posted by Grand on March 1, 2010 at 7:26 p.m. #8

^it was completly unpunishable

Posted by burninbudz on March 1, 2010 at 7:28 p.m. #9

the two new color options sound really intriguing .

Posted by mrdrofficer on March 1, 2010 at 7:29 p.m. #10

yes.

Posted by Quancro on March 1, 2010 at 7:30 p.m. #11

thay have hakan stuff but no video i hope is this firdaay ....i want ot see how cool he will be in his own way..

Posted by Sup on March 1, 2010 at 7:31 p.m. #12

what's up with the color unlocking system?

Posted by Joe on March 1, 2010 at 7:32 p.m. #13

ok, down down 3x kick? That like Akuma's new ultra, only that one is up up kicks? Why? That sounds weird.

Posted by KinDer on March 1, 2010 at 7:35 p.m. #14

C. Viper
• Medium Thunder Knuckle was nerfed. It has more recovery frames.

=(

Posted by poeria on March 1, 2010 at 7:35 p.m. #15

colors gonna be nice, i like the way there gonna do this unlocking thing, this way you cant understand each character and know there moves, its better for the overall performance.
hakans command for second ultra is weird.
too bad there is no news for ibuki.

and 1 question: on which day does famitu comes out usually?

Posted by Geese on March 1, 2010 at 7:35 p.m. #16

I"m pretty sure Hakan will be revealed at GDC and plenty of info and videos of the game will come out of there. Also, I like the new color unlocking system.

Posted by Corn on March 1, 2010 at 7:36 p.m. #17

This was TheLeaker's info wasn't it? That means its all 100% true.

Posted by hey on March 1, 2010 at 7:36 p.m. #18

wheres hakan duude??

Posted by poeria on March 1, 2010 at 7:37 p.m. #19

yeah i think it was theleaker, but you gotta love eventhubs for having all the scoops.

Posted by TheLeaker on March 1, 2010 at 7:37 p.m. #20

yup

Posted by Corn on March 1, 2010 at 7:41 p.m. #21

Yeah, it's nice having it all in one place.

Posted by poeria on March 1, 2010 at 7:41 p.m. #22

so when was GDC again? :P

Posted by Wontonton on March 1, 2010 at 7:42 p.m. #23

That's fcuking bullshiet! Why would you nerf Viper's Thunder Knuckle not like it's even broken or anything. Nerf the characters that already have to work hard enough to beat most characters. That's so bull that they already gave all the female characters less health and less damage being dealt. You nerf Viper's thunder knuckle while you give Sagat a move that power ups all his moves and adds evasion too all his special moves. If your going to NERF fcuking Viper atleast give her some new shiit. I swear Capcom needs to hire someone that can actually play the game and not these button mashing, spamming developers that probably always get caught by thunder knuckle spam. I've seen some of them play and none of them are even close to Seth Killian's level and he's pretty bad at the game aswell. Sorry Seth K. but, it's true.

Posted by eventhubs on March 1, 2010 at 7:42 p.m. #24

Your welcome!!

Posted by wontonton on March 1, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. #25

U MAD ?

Posted by viper on March 1, 2010 at 7:47 p.m. #26

>_<

I feel ur pain #23
Its all bec i'm a single parent and i'm sewing capcom for child support..

Posted by topdawg122 on March 1, 2010 at 7:52 p.m. #27

Nice, I like being able to control Bison's second ultra, sounds sexy

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 on March 1, 2010 at 7:53 p.m. #28

No Ibuki news. So really the only interesting thing is the colors, and that you unlock them by playing the character as opposed to winning Survival/Time Trials

Posted by lol on March 1, 2010 at 7:54 p.m. #29

TheLeaker is back!

It's a pity he didn't add any new info to what he'd posted on SRK.

Posted by poeria on March 1, 2010 at 7:54 p.m. #30

cool out man, you haven't played it yet and you don't know maby they gave her new stuff or i font know maid her stronger or something, there is no way there gonna make a char worse, the whole idea of ssf4 is balancing the chars even more, so have faith its gonna be awesome just wait

Posted by lol on March 1, 2010 at 7:55 p.m. #31

http://i47.tinypic.com/fvz97l.jpg

Posted by poeria on March 1, 2010 at 7:56 p.m. #32

hahaha rape xD

Posted by 23 on March 1, 2010 at 7:57 p.m. #33

you moron they will give her new sh!t so stop your whining and go replace your tampon. and if you really think the developers don't know how to play then youre just plain stupid.

LOL@26

Posted by New Color Unlocks... on March 1, 2010 at 8 p.m. #34

...Are a step in the right direction. Unlocks should only be for relatively trivial things like these, and you should be able to get them during multiplayer, not just in arcade or whatever.

Also...Oil Coaster? I can't wait to make people uncomfortable with the homo eroticism that name hints at.

Posted by Dexter on March 1, 2010 at 8:03 p.m. #35

DAMNIT why they do that to Viper. Someone is gonna get there neck sliced at Capcom.

Posted by sewe on March 1, 2010 at 8:06 p.m. #36

As you can see the Haken icon looks different than the one leaked out.

Posted by ee on March 1, 2010 at 8:07 p.m. #37

Capcom needs to do an arcade release as well. This game is going to die in Japan if they don't.

Posted by read srk on March 1, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. #38

that Character select screen has a completely hand drawn Hakan there was a high res posted on the SRK boards pages 165-180

I can't remember which page. At high res you can tell it's hand drawn by some random and they went off the super small screen posted by TheLeaker

Posted by Yes... on March 1, 2010 at 8:09 p.m. #39

The pic was legit after all. Like I always said.

It's easy to spot a fake.

New colors are effects? Damn, I wish the effects were a separate option. Like we picked te color, and then the rendering style.

Whatever, it's already great that they know that color variety it's important.

Posted by Balrog>Dudley on March 1, 2010 at 8:09 p.m. #40

LMAO @ 31!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by classy on March 1, 2010 at 8:09 p.m. #41

viper sure ass hell does not need any more nerfing... wtf is wrong with capcom making difficult characters technically, even harder to use?

she already has low health for christ sake

Posted by @ #36 on March 1, 2010 at 8:10 p.m. #42

That's because it's fake:

"I made this out of boredom and have nowhere to post it except here. For any Neogaffers reading this, that means it's fake:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54749/lawl.jpg

I drew Hakan from scratch, so don't make fun of how crappy and fake he looks. I know =P"

Posted by found it on March 1, 2010 at 8:12 p.m. #43

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54749/lawl.jpg

You can clearly tell he's hand drawn in. You can clearly see it's fake. In the picture posted on this page, you can see that there are no 1p or 2p character select markers around the random. that's because they were around some of the previously 4 hidden characters. That was edited out so they could put in Makoto, Dudley, Ibuki, and that Hakan.

Posted by Sagat on March 1, 2010 at 8:14 p.m. #44

Sagat needs to be near top tier because you guys are forgetting the big part of this genre! MARTIAL ARTS! Muay Thai is a very strong type of fighting style and that is one of the big reason why I don't whine and complain. Fei long should be near top if you ask me.

people who complain about sagat don't know their matchup very well..

Posted by PLEASEEE on March 1, 2010 at 8:15 p.m. #45

PLEASE DON'T MAKE THE COLORS UNLOCKABLE ONLY BY TRIALS.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT I CAN SEE THAT WE CAN UNLOCK ONLY BY PLAYING EACH CHARACTER.

F*CK THAT WOULD BE BULLSH*T.

Posted by LOL @42 & 43. on March 1, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. #46

Are you both retarded?

That screen is completely different from the screen posted. That one is fake. Sure. BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME SHOT. The one posted by Eventhubs, DIFFERENT FROM THAT FAKE and Hakan is not hand drawn.

Posted by skysonic on March 1, 2010 at 8:23 p.m. #47

hmm.. didnt know elf could control his ultra..

Posted by Reason4U on March 1, 2010 at 8:23 p.m. #48

Viper will be fine relax but CODY will be one of the top tier characters seriously MARK MY WORDS. CODY -"Let's see if we can't do something about my boner." CHUN LI- "=O"

Posted by darko_p86 on March 1, 2010 at 8:24 p.m. #49

cant wait for this to hit the stores. and the new colors look interesting, especially the ink one.

Posted by 33 on March 1, 2010 at 8:24 p.m. #50

@33 You're a LOSER and a Moron go watch videos of them playing and Seth. If you consider that good and not spamming then you must suck and you must lose a lot. You're just happy because they are catering to newbs like you.

Posted by Capcom fail on March 1, 2010 at 8:24 p.m. #51

C. Viper
• Medium Thunder Knuckle was nerfed. It has more recovery frames.

Fighting games are not better balanced cause of stupid sh¡t like this.

Posted by HaiGrand on March 1, 2010 at 8:26 p.m. #52

calm the f*ck down guys these ain't all the buffs and nerfs.

Posted by WTF @ Viper Nerf on March 1, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. #53

The only listed nerf is vipers, and that move wasnt even good, so now its what punishable on block with a dp???? ARE YOU KIDDING ME CRAPCOM, JESUS CHRIST

Posted by Dugi on March 1, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. #54

As if C Viper needed to be nerfed. Seriously.

Posted by @44 on March 1, 2010 at 8:33 p.m. #55

since when did muay thai have fireballs you could spam for an eternity?

Posted by fresco4eva on March 1, 2010 at 8:37 p.m. #56

ooooooo...... kkkkkkkkkk...... what the hell is capcom thinking..... what the fcuk is this game turning into, mortal kombat? down, down and 3 kicks..... what kind of motion is that...... that deserves an Ed Lover....... C'mon Son!!!!!! seriously think about it...... wtf.......

Posted by skysonic on March 1, 2010 at 8:38 p.m. #57

since when did americans start breaking the sound barrier with their arms

Posted by @ 57 on March 1, 2010 at 8:40 p.m. #58

That's to give the game a little of variety dude, in 3rd strike akuma has a super by pressing d,d,d+ppp

Posted by MJ on March 1, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #59

mak might be tops, if the list holds any merit
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Posted by Jaf on March 1, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #60

@58 Since Charlie Nash was born
Hakan's Ultras make me think of the slippery shenanigans from the movie Flubber

Posted by skysonic on March 1, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #61

capcom is thinking they dont care what you think because you are going to give them your money no matter what you say

Posted by Gouki on March 1, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #62

Hi Viper, lets hang out out some time.

Posted by Locustard on March 1, 2010 at 8:43 p.m. #63

Second Impact..Third Strike!

<3 Juri

Posted by Jem on March 1, 2010 at 8:43 p.m. #64

One if Akumas supers in 3s was down down down ppp..... It's not anything new.....

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 1, 2010 at 8:43 p.m. #65

C. Viper
• Medium Thunder Knuckle was nerfed. It has more recovery frames.

Excellent stuff.
Now they just need to fix a couple of other things like add more recovery frames to dictator's LK knee press and we're set!

Great work, Capcom. :D

Posted by viper player on March 1, 2010 at 8:45 p.m. #66

Its might not be as bad as it sounds. Maybe it will be easy to sjc focus attack out of. But it does worry me slightly. I rather they nerf her health even more than add more recovery time to her moves. Hopefully they improve upon her other special moves. At least giver her some invulnerability frames on her high punch thunder knuckle so she doesn't get grabbed out of it by a normal throw.

Posted by viper nerf :( on March 1, 2010 at 8:49 p.m. #67

Why nerf viper...shes hard to play as it is...

Posted by @67 on March 1, 2010 at 8:50 p.m. #68

I want to applaud you for not overreacting to this news, that may be untrue or even outdated. You are a credit to people with cool heads everywhere, and I wish there were more of you around these parts.

Posted by Me on March 1, 2010 at 8:51 p.m. #69

So they will reveal Hakan this week. Because they have been revealing the characters on Wednesday, so if the DC is from march 9-13 and hakan will be playable at that time, so we can expect some pics and videos by wednesday or thursday.

Posted by shopped on March 1, 2010 at 8:53 p.m. #70

We all know the final 4 but that character select screen is obviously a photoshop job, and a poor one at that. Look how much brighter and clearer the 4 new characters are compared to the rest of the cast.

Posted by @4 on March 1, 2010 at 8:53 p.m. #71

Agreed

WHY THE gsdg NERF HER MP Knuckle!?

HOW IS IT ANY DIFF TO BALROGS LP RUSH PUNCH

BISONS SK FLIP KICK

BASICALLY EVERY CHARACTER HAS SAFE ATTACKS

what the gsdgs...

Posted by @57 on March 1, 2010 at 8:57 p.m. #72

Akuma has been using unusual motions since 1994. In 99 he gained the KKZ, d,d,d+2P. d,d+3K is nothing really new then.

E aprende a escrever direito, principalmente se for em outra língua. Não nos envergonhe.

Posted by Smorgasboard on March 1, 2010 at 8:57 p.m. #73

And this is why Capcom don't release any change information until after the game is out.
All that results in is a lot of knee-jerk comments by people who have done zero testing and never consider things as a whole. Creating negative publicity out what could have been nothing.

On another note, why give focus armor to a grab move? The only other grab moves to have focus armor are Zangief's grab and Abel's new Ultra and both of those moves forward. Does that mean the Grab & Choke will also move forward?

Posted by turd on March 1, 2010 at 8:58 p.m. #74

no more safe attacks you spamming turds.

you miss a special and its blocked = you get owned.
oldschool style.

Posted by fresco4eva on March 1, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. #75

@59..... didnt know that.... didnt play 3s..... i thought it was whack.... not 3s but new generation...... so i neva got into the sf3 series.....

Posted by RJ on March 1, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. #76

YO LEAKER

Give us an update on some other characters. Any Fei Long changes? Dee Jay? T Hawk?

Keep the info coming. Thanks.

Posted by Strider-RagnaroK on March 1, 2010 at 9:06 p.m. #77

Makoto
• EX-Karakusa (Grab and Choke) has super armor.
• EX-Oroshi (Overhead Chop) startup has invincible frames just like Viper's

oh my!

this gonna be very super extremely useful

Posted by me on March 1, 2010 at 9:09 p.m. #78

incredible

Posted by JohnJohnson on March 1, 2010 at 9:11 p.m. #79

to everyone complaining about Viper TK, it only says it has more recovery frames. The recovery on it now is 20, so at worst, 30 if I had to guess. It wouldn't surprise me if it was like 25 or somewhere around that. All it'll really mean, at least from my protective is that you'll just have to space her TK a lot more carefully, like Sagat's Tiger Knee or Abel's Wheel Kick. Just settle down until it comes out, it'll be fine.

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 on March 1, 2010 at 9:12 p.m. #80

I can't wait for this game to come out so I can

A) rush down Ryu scrubs that think Metsu Shoryuken will save them
B) just plain kick ass with Ibuki
C) show how awesome SF3 is by doing well with Ibuki
and D) have character themes for my matches online

Posted by Awesome on March 1, 2010 at 9:13 p.m. #81

I'm really digging that the two new colors change the art style even though it will look weird against the backgrounds and fighting against characters who look normal.

Also, lol @ EX Karakusa having super armor. Makoto will be a beast.

Posted by Meta on March 1, 2010 at 9:18 p.m. #82

Idk I'm not a 3s player.. I touch it every now n then on ggpo but where is makotos air kick?

Posted by Grab King on March 1, 2010 at 9:19 p.m. #83

C'mon, gimme more T.Hawk news!

Eh..this is good too...

Posted by Crono on March 1, 2010 at 9:19 p.m. #84

@ 83
I feel the same way, me and my Makoto will be showing some people whats up....and if that doesn't work.... I'll just go back to balrog :p

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 1, 2010 at 9:20 p.m. #85

Blazingsoldier2002/#83,

You're not going to be doing A GOD DAMN THING.

Except for going out and buying a new TV.

The one you have at the moment is going to get the word 'CONTINUE?' burnt into the screen.

Posted by Capcom Gay? on March 1, 2010 at 9:27 p.m. #86

Has anyone noticed that most of the male characters are at the top of the tier list while the female characters are bottom feeders. For instance, Sagat, Ryu, Akuma, Balrog, Seth, Rufus, Zangief, Blanka, Dictator. While most of the female characters are either very low tier, low tier or slightly under average. Sakura, and Rose are just horrible, Chun and Viper are O.K but, take a ton of damage and have to really work for their damage. Cammy is meh. While Dan (only a woman can cry so much) is just a joke.

Posted by Straight Like Natural Selection. on March 1, 2010 at 9:32 p.m. #87

That is correct, #89.
Male characters have more physical strength and intelligence.
Females are good for cooking the dinner.

Posted by Phynx on March 1, 2010 at 9:32 p.m. #88

C. Viper
• Medium Thunder Knuckle was nerfed. It has more recovery frames.

As a Viper player... this scares me. I honestly think this is one of her most useful attacks, if this is too severe that could ruin it for me.

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 (@88) on March 1, 2010 at 9:33 p.m. #89

Spoken like a true shoto scrub, someone who feels that SF3 and anyone from there is a fail, and that his (garbage) Ryu will win him matches, and who believes that his Metsu Shoryuken will gain him so many wins. Maybe you're suffering denial, but, Ibuki will destroy shotos. Your Metsu Shoryuken won't make a bit of difference.

I'll enjoy eating shoto scrubs like you for breakfast with my Ibuki, Guy, and Fei Long (I already do it with Fei).

Posted by viper nerf on March 1, 2010 at 9:35 p.m. #90

that bullsh, it, why would they add frames to viper's recovery, shes already -1 on block

she has crappy normals, sh, itty special
can get trhrown outta hp tk
her c.mk doesnt even reach the opponent
low health

good job capcom, add frames to her mp tk

Posted by 47drift on March 1, 2010 at 9:38 p.m. #91

Second Impact? Third Strike? Oh Capcom, you crazy guys.

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 1, 2010 at 9:44 p.m. #92

Blazingsoldier2002/#92,

For that rude outburst, your strategies will be clinically torn apart.
Every move will be read before you execute it.
And you will have a second case of screen-burn.
The word 'PERFECT' will be forever etched into your TV screen, and your mind.
Ryu will strike great fury and vengeance upon the third strike infidels.

Posted by fuerte-ftw on March 1, 2010 at 9:45 p.m. #93

fck hakan, i wanna see these ink and sketch colors!

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 on March 1, 2010 at 9:45 p.m. #94

I guess Ryu likes fishing, he left his trolling motor on. Whatever though, he'll see how wrong he is when SSF4 comes around and he gets rocked by Ibuki, Makoto, and Dudley.

Posted by KKZ on March 1, 2010 at 9:46 p.m. #95

#74
I'm agree, this moves (d,d,d+p,p...) r old, like the new ultra "Tazmanian Armagedon" it's u,u,+ppp!...

Tudo bem, também estou de acordo em nao nos envergonhar, mas acho que nao é por aí, que vamos ter vergonha! Nunca ouviste dizer que quem têm boca vai a Roma?!...
Por isso deixa la o rapaz!... lol
(Mas como é que sabes que ele também é Portuga? Porque ele nao escreveu nem disse nada a esse respeito, ou entao nao vi passar nada???!...

Posted by @89 on March 1, 2010 at 9:46 p.m. #96

yup as #90 said you didnt know havent you heard??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8W...

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 1, 2010 at 9:46 p.m. #97

Tapping forward won't save you this time.

Posted by MegaBlasta on March 1, 2010 at 9:53 p.m. #98

...are they TRYING to make C-viper bottom teir? why NERF her?

Posted by so related to the story on March 1, 2010 at 9:55 p.m. #99

Trolls trolling trolls.

Lets focus on the cool new stuff. Makoto having ex armor on a throw opens up the door for other characters to have that kind of bonus. This could mean command grabs actually being as scary as they were in Super Turbo. Also if you can still armor cancel it means one more way to set up an ultra (even though you almost never see armor cancels.

Posted by Jem @ Ruy (The Greatest Scrub Ever) on March 1, 2010 at 9:57 p.m. #100

Yeah mashing a Metsu Shoryuken will though.......

Posted by Jem on March 1, 2010 at 9:58 p.m. #101

(Waits for pointless comment about spelling)

Posted by C.Viper on March 1, 2010 at 9:59 p.m. #102

Some of the strongest japanese Viper players don't get their damage from thunder knuckle chipping. You feint to try to trick your opponent for a big punish, use burning kicks that are very hard to read, seismo fireball spammers, and Ex seismo to burning kick and or ultra when you see the big chance.

Posted by haha on March 1, 2010 at 10:09 p.m. #103

that select screen looks so fake

Posted by quitcherbitchin on March 1, 2010 at 10:11 p.m. #104

I dont know why everyone is overreacting about vipers nerf listed, I wish a character I played had something like that posted about them.

Do you think thats the only thing they changed? Of course not. Chances are they buffed her in other ways (more stamina?) and thats just how they tried to bring her back down a bit.

Posted by lol on March 1, 2010 at 10:25 p.m. #105

Of course that select screen is fake.

Ibuki, Makoto, Dudley and (supposly) Hakan pictures have better quality than the rest of the image.

People should realise that when they are making these fakes. I't always the same mistake.

Posted by @5 on March 1, 2010 at 10:27 p.m. #106

#5: "So no more Stupid Trials TY SOOO much Capcom...I mean using gief and playing for 10 hours to get some colors and taunts was really really stupid. TY SOOO FREAKEN MUCH."

If the trials are stupid, why did you do them? If you don't like playing as Zangief, why did you pick him? If you dislike playing Street Fighter for those hours, why did you buy it? Who forced you to do any of those things???

Posted by soon on March 1, 2010 at 10:29 p.m. #107

http://i50.tinypic.com/35311s3.jpg

Posted by @111 on March 1, 2010 at 10:30 p.m. #108

In order to get colors and taunts, you needed to do trials. It isn't unreasonable to assume that a fan of the game would want those things. I think the reason #5 was complaining is because, like many of us, s/he finds the most enjoyable part of SFIV playing with other human beings.
Having to go through not-playing-other-people hoops to unlock content is not enjoyable, but is often done for the sake of unlocking the content.

Posted by Psykotsu on March 1, 2010 at 10:33 p.m. #109

The only muey-thai Sagat does is in his winning taunt. Other than that, "Tiger" anything is effin ridiculous.

Posted by @111 on March 1, 2010 at 10:33 p.m. #110

The will to enjoy the costume colors maybe?

That's not a hard one.

But I bet this will be even worst to get them. By playing the characters they can only mean one thing.
CHALLENGES.

That would be so bad. I really hope im wrong.

Posted by rumor list on March 1, 2010 at 10:34 p.m. #111

The rumor list will fail you!

Posted by @112 on March 1, 2010 at 10:35 p.m. #112

Are you a retarded 12 year old kid? lol f*ck...

Posted by WDF on March 1, 2010 at 10:38 p.m. #113

what makes makoto so good?? all she does is grab>chop>dash punch grab>chop>dash punch>dash punch>dash pnch KO
rinse and repeat wtf is good about that? fuxk makoto shes garbage!! I always hated her.... i will own all makotos guranteed see bout me!!

Posted by casey on March 1, 2010 at 10:41 p.m. #114

sucks they actually nerf-ed the medium thunder knuckle... you can practically throw her out of it already, plus it is her one defense against the likes of someone that has a throw more or even throws... that sucks! make it the same!

Posted by @109/112 on March 1, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. #115

FAIL!XBOX logo on a ps3 game? Kids these days are getting dumber and dumberererer. I miss trolls that actually tried.

Posted by Rorshock on March 1, 2010 at 10:48 p.m. #116

Damn it. I enjoyed abusing M. Thunder knuckle's low recovery time against baddies online. I would sometimes get literally 4 c.MP XX M.TK combos in a row because people never expected it to be that fast. Online lag also helped.

Posted by unlocks on March 1, 2010 at 10:53 p.m. #117

they need to have icons unlock as you play with the characters too...

Posted by @ 76 on March 1, 2010 at 10:57 p.m. #118

yeah man excellent words.
choose ur move carefuly boys

Posted by lol on March 1, 2010 at 11:03 p.m. #119

Look on the bright side people. If you can master C.Viper NOW and win, you can master any character.

Posted by @ 112 on March 1, 2010 at 11:04 p.m. #120

soon dude....very excited

Posted by What, Viper. on March 1, 2010 at 11:18 p.m. #121

Trading hits while playing her is punishing enough.. but this...

Posted by Goss on March 1, 2010 at 11:25 p.m. #122

Man Capcom must really hate c.viper

Posted by i hope on March 1, 2010 at 11:38 p.m. #123

the icons are unlockable by doing the character trials, since not every nub gonna get them, no pain no gain

Posted by Hakan on March 1, 2010 at 11:50 p.m. #124

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1f--...

Posted by Event hubs fail on March 1, 2010 at 11:55 p.m. #125

They failed again, that character select screen has been prooven fake

Posted by I want to see ALL alts on March 2, 2010 at 12:11 a.m. #126

Show all new alts!

Posted by Bert on March 2, 2010 at 12:13 a.m. #127

I really hope those two new colours aren't the bonus for those who kept SFIV.

Posted by Metal Health on March 2, 2010 at 12:14 a.m. #128

lol @ viper

Posted by Why Nerf Viper? on March 2, 2010 at 12:17 a.m. #129

WTF? If Viper gets more recovery frames then she should get a slight stamina buff. Why not take from one move and add something else? I thought capcom said we would "prefer" the SSF4 versions?

Posted by fightclub on March 2, 2010 at 12:38 a.m. #130

Because they did not intend her to lock down an opponent in that manner.I do not mind her having that.Hopefully in the coming month we will get a bigger picture maybe they buffed her somewhere else.

Posted by fightclub on March 2, 2010 at 12:41 a.m. #131

sorry for the double post but it seems more and more that the nerfs aren't being made for balance but for how capcom feels a character should be. Sagat being OP, Guile being underpowered, Rufus having instant dive kick taken away,Gen having tougher inputs and akuma having his loop taken away.

Posted by ghj on March 2, 2010 at 12:46 a.m. #132

the screen is fake...its from the ml360 stream

Posted by Ok . . . on March 2, 2010 at 12:46 a.m. #133

How do you do ex-zonk punch, two punches down?

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 2, 2010 at 12:54 a.m. #134

fightclub/#136,

Sounds pretty good to me. :D
I cant wait for Super Street Fighter 4.

Posted by DON'T PANIC on March 2, 2010 at 12:55 a.m. #135

"Note that these notes are likely from an early version of the game, and since Seth Killian said development was just recently finished up, it's *possible these won't be intact in the final version*"

So why is everyone freaking out so much?

Read the damn article properly!

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 2, 2010 at 1 a.m. #136

Everyone isn't freaking out.
I'm enjoying the changes made.

No more spamming lamers.
It's great!

Posted by SchoolGirlSakura on March 2, 2010 at 1:06 a.m. #137

Itd be so kawaii if teh new costums were CHIBI!

~<3 Sakura

Posted by eventhubber on March 2, 2010 at 1:12 a.m. #138

@120

It IS a promotional cover. SO WHAT??? i never made any claim that it's the official one. i just have this one cuz i dont like the one they plan to use. i like to have it more simple.

@117

i get the urge to just uncontrollably slap people in the face for asking a dumb question like "Are you retarded?" I put a picture of my cover that i wanna use. you could have used the time it took you to post your comment on suckin some d!ck, THAT would have contributed society more. i do what i want, now what the fuk are you gonna do about it you fat sunofab!tch

thats right, stfu

Posted by hubber dubber on March 2, 2010 at 1:13 a.m. #139

@117

and here again just to smear it in your fat face

http://i50.tinypic.com/35311s3.jpg

Posted by dubber hubber on March 2, 2010 at 1:52 a.m. #140

#145 you haven't printed that picture from the internetz HAVE YOU?

Posted by @117 on March 2, 2010 at 1:53 a.m. #141

u can tell this is fake a cowboy print job, you can notice the sf4 cover below

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 2:14 a.m. #142

Indeed this was all my Leaked info:

On the mainpage they made an assumption that i Signed an NDA. I never signed any NDA concerning SSF4. So im quite Safe.

I posted this info yesterday on eventhubs.

I Leak info:

C. Viper U2 is 2xQCB KKK

Hakan has 4 special moves:

- 360 P grapple
- 360 or HCB? K - Grapple ala Alex 3s. The jumping one. This one: http://www.fightersgeneration.com/cha...
- QCF P. Slide like Ibuki. If hit press P for another Hit. The 2nd Punch can only be connected if its a hit. You can probably FADC if blocked.
- SRK K for Oiling up.

- Hakan looks awesome. He resembles Hellboy, Darun. Some of you made the link to Wario :) His build resembles Marduk of Tekken 6. He is big, not as tall as gief tho. There is oil dripping and oozing all over his body. Weird and nice effect.

Gameplaywise: I really cant put him somewhere on the charts. My initial impression of a longtime SF player, is that he will be mid-tier.

His slide is a counter against fireballspammers. He'll have a problem with low Tiger Shots. Slide is unsafe if blocked. Great damage on normals. Not combo heavy.

i read on the SRK forum that people misunderstood some of the info. Lost in translation they said Hakan has an Aircommand grab. This is not true.

His U2 is probably his best weapon and best Anti-air move in the game. It shuts down any jumping game. Ill elaborate on this one. If an opponent jumps towards Hakan, near or crossup, he will get caught.

-

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 2:15 a.m. #143

First Alinea. On the first page of SRK.

Posted by @hubber dubber /#145 on March 2, 2010 at 2:27 a.m. #144

Bad troll is bad. Seriously? Learn to at least shop out the big ol XBOX icon before you try to slab it on a ps3 case.I agree, kids these days are just getting dumber.

Posted by Th3 JoK3R J on March 2, 2010 at 2:36 a.m. #145

Wish i had some updates on Vega =(

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 2:53 a.m. #146

I Leak info:

Dhalsims Drill Kicks are much faster.

Posted by wulf on March 2, 2010 at 2:54 a.m. #147

i cant wait to see what they've done with guile

Posted by The dude on March 2, 2010 at 2:55 a.m. #148

@ theleaker What about guile ?

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 3:15 a.m. #149

I Leak info:

Guile's Flash Kicks have faster start up but more recovery frames. EX sonic boom only hits once but damage is improved.

Posted by @theleaker on March 2, 2010 at 3:23 a.m. #150

what about honda?

Posted by Psykotsu on March 2, 2010 at 3:23 a.m. #151

What about some Ibuki stuff TheLeaker?

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 3:30 a.m. #152

Im not going to post here anymore. Everybody is posing as TheLeaker.

#148 and #152 is true. The rest is false.

Posted by Hyperblast on March 2, 2010 at 3:30 a.m. #153

YAY now Viper cant spam MP thunder knuckle on me without getting punished!

Posted by Machineking1313 on March 2, 2010 at 3:33 a.m. #154

Its amazing how long Capcom has held out on showing us Hakan, they must be really proud of him or something!

Posted by Loocid on March 2, 2010 at 3:37 a.m. #155

Why the hell would they NERF viper. WTF is that.

Posted by Psykotu on March 2, 2010 at 3:41 a.m. #156

Crap, you were right about the posers.

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 2, 2010 at 3:45 a.m. #157

Well said, #160.

They have left out far more interesting and fun characters like Rolento, in favor of Ibuki and Makoto.

For that, they will pay the largest possible price.
There will be no mercy.
There will be no reprieve.

Ibuki and Makoto will suffer painfully as they attempt to rush down the Metsu Shoryuken.

Posted by @theleaker on March 2, 2010 at 3:50 a.m. #158

what about blanka?

Posted by m on March 2, 2010 at 3:56 a.m. #159

@164... shadow???

Posted by Takezo on March 2, 2010 at 4:01 a.m. #160

Down, down, 3 kicks.
That must be the easiest ultra ever. Perfect fighter for a scrub.

Posted by masters ken on March 2, 2010 at 4:03 a.m. #161

thought the "Shadow" character was scraped and replaced with "Hakan" i agree with 160 thought, they only put makoto and ibuki in to please fanboys and pervs. those characters are under developed and not intresting at all. and people still wanted karin? I dont want young kids in my fighting games bad enough we have sakura who is suposed to be a school girl.

Posted by Takezo on March 2, 2010 at 4:09 a.m. #162

@ #167

Sakura is cool.
I don't need a fat american like Rufus in my fighting game.
And i definitely don't want a sissyboy like Ken in my fighting game.

Posted by C.Viper player on March 2, 2010 at 4:33 a.m. #163

So are you saying MP TK are not safe on block anymore? So one less tool to pressure with, dammit!

Posted by DruscaelaN on March 2, 2010 at 4:35 a.m. #164

And definetly no one fukking cares about you need or want

@169 Takezo

Posted by @167 the dumb kid on March 2, 2010 at 4:47 a.m. #165

Why don't you take your idiotic thoughts and stfu.

Most of us play Ibuki/Makoto/Karin because of their gameplay and not because of some bs reason.
Heck I wanna hear your dumb reasoning why people use Dhalsim/Blanka/Zangief.

Besides,your name is Masters Ken,you probably use Ken so what do you understand of characters that AREN'T shotos.

And lol at people responding seriously to the recent 'TheLeaker' posts,he's obviously a fake.

Posted by @160,162 and 167 on March 2, 2010 at 4:53 a.m. #166

They should have put rolento in instead of hakan, ibuki and makoto have a large fan base and their moves and playstyle are different and interesting.

And for goodness sake everyone, if you read at the beginning it said that these changes were from early ddvelopment and could have very well changed. I just find it amazing that pple are whinging when they haven't even tried out the game yet.

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 5:16 a.m. #167

fake?, da Satsui no Hado is uncontrollable my fRienz...

Posted by #171 on March 2, 2010 at 5:33 a.m. #168

Yup, because SF 4 is the first Street Fighter game ever. I mean, it's not like this game series has been going on for over a decade and people cannot begin to comprehend other characters. Yup.

Go kill yourself.

Posted by stupid trollz.... on March 2, 2010 at 5:35 a.m. #169

you drove the real leaker away, so now we get no new info... idiots.

Posted by Djv13 on March 2, 2010 at 5:37 a.m. #170

if vipers mp thunder knuckle is still nerfed they better have mad her alot better....she preety much has no block strings now

Posted by poeria on March 2, 2010 at 5:52 a.m. #171

for any1 who hasn't seen all the ultras yet or is not sure here is a nice overview selection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrgwHS...

Posted by A viper player on March 2, 2010 at 5:55 a.m. #172

I would like to voice my concern and distress over the thunderknuckle nerf to viper if it does make it to the final release.

That is all.

Posted by DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 6 a.m. #173

I don't understand. Why would they nerf Viper? Her mp Knuckle is getting another frame or two of recovery right? So on block it will now be -2 or -3 which means free DP for Ryu, Akuma, Ken or Free SPD for Gief, she is now going to have no up close pressure on the ground. She needs faster normals, and better block strings. I'm also hearing that her Fierce thunder Knuckle is getting nerfed too. That's right Capcom make her crappy anti-air/reversal even crappier. And increase the hitbox on her crounching forward. Damn.

Posted by DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 6:02 a.m. #174

Oh and if they are going to nerf Viper's mp knuckle they better sort out dictators Short scissor kicks.

Posted by M.Bison on March 2, 2010 at 6:06 a.m. #175

a failure like you? how dare u mock my mighty scissors!

Posted by Djv13 on March 2, 2010 at 6:10 a.m. #176

i dont understand y there even nerfing viper .......go nerf gief,sagat or ryu some more.....damn f off off c.viper.
even if she was being improved in other ways ....i rather have sf4 mp thunder knuckle than more stamina..

Posted by ARJ08 on March 2, 2010 at 6:15 a.m. #177

@168

First of all its not your fighting game, so STFU since it looks like your just another f*cking immigrant

Posted by Jordan on March 2, 2010 at 6:36 a.m. #178

@167 You obviously either a) suck ass at SF3 or b) never played it so stop trolling. Makoto and Ibuki, and Dudley for that matter, are probably going to be 3 of the most complicated characters in the game, if not THE most complicated with all their chain combos and tactics.

Posted by shadow on March 2, 2010 at 6:36 a.m. #179

I am the new hidden boss and I am going to flash kick you.

-shadow charlie

Posted by @ 186 on March 2, 2010 at 6:42 a.m. #180

Because Capcom sucks

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 (@162) on March 2, 2010 at 6:48 a.m. #181

While I agree that Rolento is cool, calling Ibuki, Makoto, or Dudley crap or under-developed is just plain stupid on your part. We get it, you don't like SF3 or anyone from there because you couldn't use your pitiful Ryu skills to Hadouken-spam out a win.

Makoto will have a harder time without parries, but, Ibuki can deal with your projectiles just fine naturally, be it her slide that goes under them, or her flip that goes over them, or the face stomp that goes over them then hits you in the face and sets her up for Kunai/Kasumi Suzaku.

Gaining Metsu Shoryuken won't help you. You might find some online scrubs who run right into it, but i'm well aware that it will have god-like priority and damage, so i'll just block and punish like Ken's Shinryuken. Ultras aren't hard to block and punish as they usually telegraph themselves.

So like I said, I look forward to the day Super Street Fighter IV comes out, completely navigating the storm of Hadoukens to destroy shoto scrubs like you. Shotos might have had an easier time against Fei Long, but my Ibuki and Guy will bury you.

Posted by ????? on March 2, 2010 at 6:50 a.m. #182

@fighclub

You really couldn't lock down with Viper's MP TK in the first place. It's -1 on block, you could slip out a jab to stop her next attack or something else to stop her frame-trapping you with cr.mp. Viper's got nothing that comes out faster than 3 frames(apart from her throw.) The only way she could "trap" you was if the MP TK was spaced properly but you can't do it over and over again. If players let Viper trap them up like that up close, it's their own fault.

Just wanted to clear that up for people who think Viper's MP TK was somehow too safe or something.

Anyway, yeah, I'll wait for more info on the characters.

Posted by Ur Daddy on March 2, 2010 at 6:57 a.m. #183

@187

It seems you are a f*cking american then. =)
I dont put all americans in the same basket as you but u are racist and a shame.

Posted by Blazingsoldier2002 (@ 193) on March 2, 2010 at 7:16 a.m. #184

I'm an American, and I hate Rufus and Ken. Guile's cool, but I hate Rufus and Ken.

Posted by B.K. on March 2, 2010 at 7:20 a.m. #185

damn. still no sakura info. the only thing thats been shown with her is her new ultra and a fake rival. guess i just gotta wait to get the game to get any gameplay info on her.

Posted by sigh.. on March 2, 2010 at 7:22 a.m. #186

you idiots, ..now where the TheLeaker go ? I will follow u !

Posted by Game Wont Be Balanced on March 2, 2010 at 7:35 a.m. #187

This game won't be balanced.. it's going to be like SFIV.. everybody tools won't balance out each other and close to the same tier list. It's going to end up low tier people being complete shi while high tiers have stupid bullcrap gimmicks.

Posted by Captain Balance on March 2, 2010 at 7:40 a.m. #188

dont worry kids ill take care of it! not even that patch eyed bastard will stop me this time!

Posted by Makoto on March 2, 2010 at 7:49 a.m. #189

SEICHUSEN GODANZUKI!

F*ckin A.

Posted by DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 7:52 a.m. #190

@?????? Yes, you could hit a jab out to stop her next attack but you couldn't outright punish it. Gief will now be able to SPD her on blocking Strong knuckle and Ryu will get free DP. tell me, have they nerfed Ryu? No. They nerf characters that have high execution and low health that sit at the bottom of B-tier, while mr easy mode, A-tier Ryu is just Capcoms bum boy sitting pretty

Posted by Gouken on March 2, 2010 at 7:52 a.m. #191

My Tatsumakisenpukyaku would be better if it wasn't completely vertical and I could coast across the screen a little and not have to land straight and vunerable.

Have they tweaked this?

Posted by HAKAN on March 2, 2010 at 7:55 a.m. #192

I AM GOING TO RAPE EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE MALE CHARACTERS - THAT'S WHAT THE OIL'S FOR.

"Looks like it's time to LUBE UP!"

Posted by New Leak on March 2, 2010 at 8:01 a.m. #193

Ryu's alt is Sakura's original Sailor outfit!

Here's the official artwork: http://rule34-images.paheal.net/4b447...

Look's like Capcom really do worship his sphincter!

Posted by Charlie on March 2, 2010 at 8:13 a.m. #194

So true #198 "Game Wont Be Balanced"!

More characters along with new ones (2), 2 ultras and minor changes, new BGM and background stages/bonus is merely what SSF4 has in store for alot of folks and nothing else. Once the novelty fact of SSF4 being a new game has worn off, then you'll see the same B.S. reappear in this supposed brilliant update.

Of course it'll be played and the title purchased in shops. But it'll still have tons of complaints from fans and tournie players come this summer and throughout the remainder of the year ahead, because the game's system will sadly remain so friggin *broken*, just wait and see! If Guile's flashkick (which is supposed to be a great anti-air countermove) is still messed up and gets beatout by normal attacks and he continues to be broken, THEN THE BALANCED AIN'T THERE AND NEVER WILL BE! Now we're hearing that C.Viper getting nerfed too?!?

I know of a few C.Viper players in the arcade, who'll be pissed at hearing that crap.

Posted by Jitsu on March 2, 2010 at 8:17 a.m. #195

man, i hope hakans movements arent like 360 and 720 motions like zangief....thats gonna be gayyy!

Posted by Hakan on March 2, 2010 at 8:20 a.m. #196

gay? some1 called 4 me?! hold on ill get the oil.

Posted by @208 on March 2, 2010 at 8:28 a.m. #197

you're not funny.

Posted by viper on March 2, 2010 at 8:31 a.m. #198

Why would they do that to Viper's knuckle move? jesus... add more recovery frames to stupider stuff like lp shoryuken's

Posted by @DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 8:41 a.m. #199

Agreed, well said.

Posted by ANNOYED on March 2, 2010 at 8:50 a.m. #200

nefing mp TK means i guess ill need to cancel that properly in first attack is blocked

ZZZZ

wait and see i guess but making viper sub 20% on the tier lists breaks my heart

Posted by Hakan on March 2, 2010 at 8:57 a.m. #201

Hakan is not in the game.

It's actually a female character named 'Nakah' - because she has Knackers, or some sh*t like that.

Posted by ????? on March 2, 2010 at 8:58 a.m. #202

@ DJay2411: I was just responding to the fact that people thought that MP Knuckle deserved to be nerfed, but yeah. And MP Knuckle is actually -1 on block, so at worst, it'll be -2, which means only Gief would be able to punish it.

The info might not be true, but if it is, I'm more concerned as to why it was nerfed and whether she'll get something to compensate for it. It wouldn't make sense to slightly nerf a move that wasn't really that amazing in the first place.

Posted by Guile on March 2, 2010 at 9 a.m. #203

Nothing get's through my Flash kick, except everything.

Posted by Hypah Vypah on March 2, 2010 at 9:06 a.m. #204

adding recovery frames to Viper's MP thunder knuckle isn't the best way to go about "fixing" what's wrong with Viper, but couldn't the attack ALREADY eat sweeps and low attacks if you were just out of connecting range when you executed it?

I always bnb combo into LP thunder knuckle anyway, so it doesn't matter much to me. We'll see how much slower the attack's recovery is when we get updated hands-on time with the game.

Still, I understand the complaints against it. There are lost of tweaks, positive and negative that could've been enacted upon Viper, but this? Weak. Most Viper players would tell you she's fine as-is, but a minor deefnse or HP boost would be all she needs. There may have been other changes to her that went unnoticed by whoever leaked this info, but the fact that slower recovery on MPTK stood out enough to make a note of it tells me there may be more to this story than we think...

Posted by juxtapose on March 2, 2010 at 9:07 a.m. #205

Seriously? I can't believe that half this thread is people buying into all the "TheLeaker" posts, and the other half is people complaining about a character they think is nerfed but haven't played yet.

Everyone needs to shut the hell up and go outside.

Posted by Poster 206 on March 2, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. #206

Dude this game isn't even a real sequel.. it's just a 40 dollar demo for next years game. Lol they added 4 STAGES? Do you know how pathethic that is? They should of added 16 more stages and they already have characters completed but holding back because they want us to boy SSFIV HYper edition EX gold edition 8 next year. But yeah this game will never be properly balanced nobody will have 5-5 matchups

The lame arguement for that is it's boring.. yea right bs answer it means it comes down to skill not x character having it easy against another character who has to bust hiss butt off 2 even get a win.

All this game boils down to is top tier have gimmicks while low tier has nothing.

Posted by ha ha ha on March 2, 2010 at 9:09 a.m. #207

all of you kids are lame retards, especially 220 and 221.fukin rookies...

Posted by 1Up on March 2, 2010 at 9:11 a.m. #208

GUILE is the best

Posted by Man.. on March 2, 2010 at 9:12 a.m. #209

This game will be so awesome..Roster of characters are so beast.

Posted by why on March 2, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #210

the f*ck would you nerf any of Viper's moves??!! If anything she needs to be buffed! I really hope that this is not true.. smh

Posted by juxtapose on March 2, 2010 at 9:14 a.m. #211

@221

It's hard to take you seriously when you can't even spell or form proper sentences. Nobody wants to read your garbled, unintelligible nonsense rants.

Posted by because on March 2, 2010 at 9:15 a.m. #212

they nerfed the viper move because you could spam that sh't all day

Posted by @228 on March 2, 2010 at 9:18 a.m. #213

It's the internet lol but i could care less about your comment.. it's the truth though this game is nothing but a 40 dollar demo and next year they add 8 more characters but have BALANCE ISSUES JUST LIKE EVERY SF GAME THEY MADE. SF GAME WILL NEVER BE PROPERLY BALANCED BECAUSE THEY LACK THE TALENT TO DO SO.

Posted by @229 on March 2, 2010 at 9:22 a.m. #214

not true. see ryu, ken, akuma, sagat, gief. not to mention dictator, and honda.

Posted by DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. #215

@????? Yeah mate I know, like Uryo said she needs a 3 frame move and a combo that's starts low and leads to a knockdown. Cr. Forward should totally cancel into EX seismo and combo don't you think? Her normals in SFIV are so slow it's baffling. I just compared her normals to Ryu's using the frame data chart on this site, it wasn't a fun read I'll tell you lol I think they will compensate. I hear her BK's might be overheads like they were in the build before SFIV came out and that she can EX seismo, SJC, Roundhouse (Mid-Air) xx into Burn Kick. I guess we'll just have to see. But if Strong Knuckle has been nerfed I'd like to know why...

Posted by ????? on March 2, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. #216

Yeah, it would be nice if she had a 3 frame something. Her main problem is her lack of tight blockstrings and her slow normals. Well, at least she's got EX Seismo SJC FADC into sweep for knockdowns though.

Posted by todo academy on March 2, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. #217

Gouken + Akuma should be revealed this week then no?

Posted by xandeR on March 2, 2010 at 9:44 a.m. #218

If they take away Bison's LK Scissors, he'll be a terrible horrible character. That's Bison's entire game. Viper has other stuff besides TK. That's just a gimmick of hers.

Bison frame traps people with lk.SK and that's just how he plays. He needs to be buffs if anything. Specifically, a launcher move or, more specifically, something that he can combo into his ultra.

Posted by @231 on March 2, 2010 at 9:44 a.m. #219

It's evident you could care less, if you bother enough to read it and even reply emphasizing how you're so cool that you don't even care about it.

Posted by ... on March 2, 2010 at 9:45 a.m. #220

Viper's thunder knuckle was probably nerfed because you could do ridiculous stuff in a build with Ultra2 or something, like meterless 50% comboes.

It wasn't nerfed for the hell of it.

Posted by @djay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 9:48 a.m. #221

totally agree with you. it's funny cuz sometimes just as the round ends, I'll input ex seismo>sjc>bk, but i'll mess up the inputs and ex seismo>sjc>mid-air rh>bk will come out and connect haha. would be nice if that could actually combo in a match though. yeah her normals could use less startup/recovery frames. and dont forget being thrown out of fierce TK. *sigh* i really do hope they compensate, if this is true.

Posted by Tiers on March 2, 2010 at 9:57 a.m. #222

For the love of logic stop presenting your one second worth of thought opinions as fact that will be the final say on the characters. Akuma being awful because he loses a loop that usually only showed up sometimes in high level matches against Sagat. That is just insanity. Akuma is good because he has options and effective mixup/combos. The loop didn't make him.

The same idea applies to Viper. She is good due to useful mixups and combos. Her thunder knuckle lockdown game was not super strong and it being less effective just means your not great tool is just a little more not great. Viper has always been about being a threat from all over she isn't gonna lose hard to read cross ups that can sometimes lead to ultras. She won't lose Seismo hammer which is insanely useful. Also she hasn't lost feints which does create openings when used properly.

The tierlist shifted yet again recently so why is it I see people talking about how useful characters will be in Super? Did the final build get leaked to a selct group on eventhubs. Is that select group all very high level competition, yet they are all around the same skill level with all characters?

Posted by tiers on March 2, 2010 at 10 a.m. #223

Feel free to speculate but crapping your pants about changes is just a waste of time.

Posted by Viper players on March 2, 2010 at 10:09 a.m. #224

Stop making yourselves look bad

She'll be a great character. With increased health and all those links...

Yeah, she'll unleash hell in SSFIV
Now calm down and try playing with Dan

Saikyo powah is what it's all about!

Posted by lol viper players on March 2, 2010 at 10:13 a.m. #225

You whine about a nerf yet she has bullcrap gimmicks.. give me a break.. Lol but when dan gets a nerf nobody crys about it. Viper players are nothing but babies.. please keep playing your broken bullcrap free pass i get away with.

Posted by ????? on March 2, 2010 at 10:15 a.m. #226

Um, who said she'd have increased health? And what nerfs has Dan got? Yeah,exactly. And Viper's got broken gimmicks? Are you people idiots?

Posted by lol @ non-viper players on March 2, 2010 at 10:20 a.m. #227

who cant play viper cuz she's the most technically challenging char in the HISTORY of SF. Pick up a execution-heavy char? who does that? quit crying that you CAN'T use her, and because of that you probably wont be able to use Juri or Ibuki for that matter.

Posted by Read the post properly on March 2, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #228

For goodness sake people, it says at the beginning that all these changes were made at the early stages of development so it's very possible that c.vipers M thunder knuckle may not have been nerfed in the end. None of those changes are definite. Jeeez.

Posted by @214 on March 2, 2010 at 10:28 a.m. #229

214 - "It's the internet lol but i could care less about your comment.. it's the truth though this game is nothing but a 40 dollar demo and next year they add 8 more characters but have BALANCE ISSUES JUST LIKE EVERY SF GAME THEY MADE. SF GAME WILL NEVER BE PROPERLY BALANCED BECAUSE THEY LACK THE TALENT TO DO SO."

I rather play a 40 dollar demo of SSFIV than play a 60 dollar game of King of fighter XII.

Posted by wtf? on March 2, 2010 at 10:41 a.m. #230

man people who say viper is cheap or gimmicks knows sh, it all about viper......go ahead pick viper ill use dan and we'll see who does better

Posted by HEll YEa on March 2, 2010 at 10:48 a.m. #231

FOUND SOME COOL STAFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMjdMO...

Posted by Me on March 2, 2010 at 10:52 a.m. #232

I bet that those who complain about the BALANCE are those who play Halo, MW2 and those kind of games. PATHETIC!!

Posted by KingPin on March 2, 2010 at 10:53 a.m. #233

Ok, I sure as hell hope we'll hear about a SAGAT NERF SOON now that they nerfed one of Viper's moves. I swear if capcom doesn't fix the broken characters ill be pissed. Sometimes I wonder if capcom even plays their game, lol.

Posted by DJay2411 on March 2, 2010 at 10:57 a.m. #234

whoever said Viper has got broken gimmicks knows nothing about the character, yes, she has tricks, she doesn't rely on them in the same way that say Sakura does, but they are there to confuse the opponent with mix ups. They sure as s*it aren't broken, you just need to learn to block properly. Why not try and play her for a while then come back and say what you just said.

Posted by @KingPin on March 2, 2010 at 11:14 a.m. #235

We already know about Sagat nerfs. The reason the Viper nerf is news is because we didn't previously know about it.

Posted by WOOOOW on March 2, 2010 at 11:21 a.m. #236

Cammy needs to be nerfed just look at this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO1AsM...

Posted by Random on March 2, 2010 at 11:22 a.m. #237

I don't why people are complaining about Viper. Viper's moves are designed to be tricky. Hence she has her fakes. Although there is one thing I don't like and hope Capcom will change it, not necessary nerf. Her flame kick special move (idk the name of that move sorry). That move has too much special effect (the flame that comes out when the move's executed) where it covers the opponent and the player itself can't tell which side he / she's on. Every time I play a good Viper, I can't block it because I couldn't never tell which side I'm on.

Posted by @ 239 on March 2, 2010 at 11:29 a.m. #238

Stop posting links of your own videos..

Mediocre gameplay that isn't worth mentioning.
btw,your friend doesn't use Vega much,does he?

Posted by Suggestion Box to Capcom on March 2, 2010 at 11:33 a.m. #239

If this "Shadow" boss/character is for real and it's Charlie, I might just sh*t in my pants.

Charlie would be a great addition to the minority cast of charge characters! Screw shotos.

Posted by @246 on March 2, 2010 at 11:44 a.m. #240

Since when does Ryu have a demon form?
Besides,the Evil Ryu-crap ended with the alpha series.
It would be stupid if they brought it back,let alone ruin a charactet-spot for another shoto.

Posted by @239 on March 2, 2010 at 11:45 a.m. #241

why does cammy need to be nerfed??...all her moves are punishable on block....what bout her is op?

Posted by @ 240 on March 2, 2010 at 11:47 a.m. #242

Vipers flame kick is not armor breaker so... all you have to do it master focus attack. Its fine how it is.

Posted by NERF on March 2, 2010 at 11:50 a.m. #243

FTW!!!!!!!!!
What the hell is that idea to nerf, someone in da game?????!!!!!!! WTF is nerf????????
I'm ok, with overpower with the chars in low tier, or overpower the chars in minority power vs chars like Sagat Ryu etc.... but what da hell is this concept, to nerf chars.?????
Overpower the weaker chars!!!!!!!!!! JUST THIS!!!!!!!!!
increase the stamina's, increase th power's moves, and the hell, ADD NEW MOVES!!!!!....... NEW MOVES!!!!!!!!
Is it also complicate, or is just to dont lost more $$$$$$$????
Hein CAPCOM???? TRY TO MAKE A DIGNITY GAME!!!!.....

Posted by @ 243 on March 2, 2010 at 11:58 a.m. #244

they been applying the nerf cnocept for years and has never worked, capcom is stupid

Posted by @241 on March 2, 2010 at 11:59 a.m. #245

Have you not yet realized that people throw around "nerf" "buff" "high/low tier" without having any real idea of the meaniing behind them or why nerfs are actually instituted?

Posted by @240 on March 2, 2010 at 12:04 p.m. #246

Flame kick is only really a threat at point blank where if the viper player knows what their is doing it can be very ambiguous. No limiting of effects would solve this because what is really going on here is the player is either super jumping towards your back or towards your head before the move. At that point all you can do is guess. When the player is not point blank you can easily tell which direction the kick will land. Try to familiarize yourself with the spacing and trajectory of her kick and then it will be very easy to tell.

Posted by @random on March 2, 2010 at 12:06 p.m. #247

that's the beauty of Viper's mixup game. and you not being able to block has nothing to do with "special effects," it's more of you dont know WHICH WAY to block. She's very dangerous once you're KD cuz knowing WHICH WAY to block is a guessing game.

Posted by Honda on March 2, 2010 at 12:07 p.m. #248

Any news on E.Honda leaker?

Posted by TheLeaker on March 2, 2010 at 12:08 p.m. #249

honda cannot roundhouse after his handslap

Posted by KOF *cough* 13 on March 2, 2010 at 12:08 p.m. #250

Hopefully KOF13 won't be crap with atleast more characters and DECENT online =.=.

Posted by Bonus on March 2, 2010 at 12:09 p.m. #251

Is the SFIV disk "bonus" really just titles and icons?

Posted by Greedy McNasty on March 2, 2010 at 12:10 p.m. #252

I keep seeing posts pop up about new stuff added to the game from leak guy and then they get deleted? What's up with that? I hope all the Viper players don't kill them selves.

Posted by @248 on March 2, 2010 at 12:11 p.m. #253

her burning kick is dangerous from any range once you're knocked down. i catch people from full screen distance if i super jump towards after they're knocked down. I'll either drop down right in front of them or on top of their heard, or i'll land right behind them.

Posted by Greedy McNasty on March 2, 2010 at 12:12 p.m. #254

Oh! Man that is crappy, why are there good things taken away from lower tier characters? Oh well I will still play him. Thanks Leak guy. I hope your posts don't get removed again.

Posted by Hey Leaker Guy! on March 2, 2010 at 12:15 p.m. #255

Is there more hidden characters besides Hakan or is that just people being crazy?

Posted by @254 on March 2, 2010 at 12:17 p.m. #256

I agree, some posts were deleted =.=.

Some posts about a potentially new character and something about a 'demon form'.

*hopes to god that it isn't Evil Ryu*
That would imo suck SO much..

Posted by @254 on March 2, 2010 at 12:21 p.m. #257

The person who is currently posting as TheLeaker may not be the actual Leaker, so there is some confusion about what news is accurate.

Posted by @leaker on March 2, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. #258

maybe he means shin-akuma?

or zombie gouken..

or a new chrachter altogether?

Posted by @247 on March 2, 2010 at 12:29 p.m. #259

That can't be considered a Warrior, neither can enter any ring.

Posted by LOl on March 2, 2010 at 12:49 p.m. #260

Post from th leaker were deleted. capcom you a funny company...they are probably tracking this guy down for leaking info..like "shadow" who is supposibily shin gouki....but you didnt hear it from me.

Posted by Suggestion Box to Capcom on March 2, 2010 at 1:02 p.m. #261

I just saw great posts on here from TheLeaker and now they are gone. I think somebody is right about some of this stuff. Capcom is definitely trolling on this site.

Posted by WillyWonka on March 2, 2010 at 1:03 p.m. #262

Too bad Arika owns the rights to EX characters. Some of the characters would translate very well onto SF4's platform.

Think about it: Shadow could be Super Garuda!! OMG!

Posted by @Me on March 2, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. #263

You are so retarded seriously.. who wants to play a FIGHTING GAME WHERE ALL 36 CHARACTERS AREN'T EQUAL? I CALLED THAT A LOPSIDED GAME.. BUT VIRTUA FIGHTER 5 SAYS HI.. IT'S ACTUALLY BALANCED UNLIKE THIS PIECE OF CRAP..

Lol seriously let ALL 36 characters have GIMMICKS LIKE RYU,SAGAT AND those braindead characters.. and see who you dominate.. yeah..

This game will never be balanced cause every matchup won't be 5-5.. 6-4 means tools are broken.. if every matchup is 5-5 then it's balanced.

Posted by @theleaker on March 2, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. #264

Please post more hakan pics yeah?
hes to be revelad this week so might aswell give us early access

Posted by Doodoopie on March 2, 2010 at 1:13 p.m. #265

-Thunder Knuckle wasn't that great anyways
-Viper probably will get new stuff to compensate
-Why pass judgement if you haven't played the game yet?
-No one cares that the screen is fake because Hakan has been confirmed anyways.

LOL@everyone crying about Viper's nerfing since she sucks anyways

Posted by shouryuken98135 on March 2, 2010 at 1:14 p.m. #266

Please do not bag Street Fighter, if like your "Virtua Fighter" go and please share your thoughts else WHERE!

Posted by PooPooPlatter on March 2, 2010 at 1:21 p.m. #267

Shadow is Demon form...is SUPER GARUDA!

Posted by @PooPooPlatter on March 2, 2010 at 1:23 p.m. #268

SUPER GARUDA is TRUE GARUDA, you tard.

Posted by Vote on March 2, 2010 at 1:34 p.m. #269

I vote for the next incarnation of SSF4 to be SSF4 plus EX plus Alpha.

Put Hokuto, Skullomania, Doctrine Dark, Kairi, C.Jack, Darun and Pullum... Fantastic characters from a fantastic, underrated game. I would love to have them go 2.5D

Posted by m on March 2, 2010 at 2:07 p.m. #270

a lot of posts were deleted, especially ones on hidden characters...shadow, evil ryu, shin akuma. which makes me think one of them is real and a hidden boss

Posted by Da Ironmonk on March 2, 2010 at 2:22 p.m. #271

I can't wait to see Hakan next week. I wish that they would put this Shadow character BS to rest.

Posted by DAMN on March 2, 2010 at 2:51 p.m. #272

yall desperate for new news arent yall?? yall buy anybodys allegations
OOO hey...vipers burning kick has been improved
blankas horizontal ball has long recovery time
his ex electricity has longer range...yall probably believe that smh...jus wait damn ssf4 comes out nxt month and we get new news this weekend jus calm down its not that fuxkin serious

Posted by @253 on March 2, 2010 at 2:58 p.m. #273

That's just you playing reckless. Up close burning kick mix-ups are pretty safe. But from a distance there a vast amount of moves that can beat it easily. Only one thats safe from a distance is a well spaced low trajectory cross up but since that is easy to spot from far away most people would just c.mk under it and get a free punish while you recover. As a matter of fact c.mk will go under any burning kick you use from far away.

Posted by @274 on March 2, 2010 at 3:20 p.m. #274

the key phrase was KNOCKDOWN. super jump bk mixups from a distance is dangerous if the opponent is KNOCKED DOWN,and used as a meaty

Posted by Sagat on March 2, 2010 at 3:58 p.m. #275

My stamina isn't as high as I hoped. I knew there was something up with Guile's Cheetos!

Posted by @274 on March 2, 2010 at 4:31 p.m. #276

Like I said reckless. No way in hell is it a good idea to try and drop down in front of your opponent with a burning kick. If I saw you do that once I would want to get hit with a seismo's just so you could attempt it again and lose all your life. Its not worth it. Think of how much damage a burning kick does and then how much damage a ultra combo does. If you knock down you opponent and they are far away your safe air options are super jump roundhouse, super jump medium kick and cross up burn kick. These options beat most characters wake up options. Super jump low kick burn kick beats nothing. That's why there are no burn kick mix-ups games from far away. The viper player would have to be crazy to attempt to mix it up.

this If you had time to position yourself directly above the opponents head that would be the only thing that would be safe. But viper's only way of getting an unteachable knockdown is off of a sweep. So your pretty much hoping the opponent doesn't tech. Your better of just su

Posted by ^^^^^ on March 2, 2010 at 4:35 p.m. #277

last part of that sentence is ... super jumping towards them with roundhouse because it hits ambiguously.

Posted by ben on March 2, 2010 at 4:49 p.m. #278

how can they nerf viper her thunderknuckle has bad start up and bad recovery now? what kind of bs move is that

Posted by @278 on March 2, 2010 at 5:17 p.m. #279

That's what I wonder. You'd think it would be either or. Unless the move was really powerful then it would probably have both bad start-up and recovery. But then I look at Ryu's lp shoryuken from a frame data standpoint and the only thing I can say is wtf. Decent recovery time, 3 frame startup, invulnerability frames, leads to big damage.

The way Capcom likes to do things is make certain moves retarded powerful and make other moves useless. So all you can really do is hope the characters you play gets the retarded powerful moves.

Posted by @279 on March 2, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. #280

What a cool story bro.

Posted by Oh wow... on March 2, 2010 at 9:12 p.m. #281

lmao at nerfing thunder knuckle. Seriously?

What with scissor kicks and balrog jabs you would think that thunder knuckle would be the last thing to get an increased recovery time. Totally stupid.

Posted by Stay Calm on March 2, 2010 at 10:28 p.m. #282

LOL, all the Viper players on eventscrubs are losing their sh!t because ONE move got nerfed. You don't even know how much its been nerfed! You don't even know the rest of the changes made to her! STAY CALM.

Also, to the dude who was like, "Viper needs framerates closer to Ryu," no she doesn't. If you want quick pokes go play Ryu. Viper doesn't get superjumps, feints, hella ambiguity, AND an arsenal of 3/4 frame pokes.

ALSO, who is stupid enough to think that nerfing Dictator's short-SK is a good idea? The trap is all he's got! It's safe but it's not spammable. If you think it's OP'd, you know what to do: L2P.

Posted by SuperFunHappySlide on March 2, 2010 at 11:13 p.m. #283

Nerfing Viper like this will probably drop her down a few tiers and make her hard matchups even harder now. I feel sorry for that.

Posted by lunchbox on March 2, 2010 at 11:24 p.m. #284

Shadow is real. Not playable but just you wait.

Posted by Balata on March 2, 2010 at 11:38 p.m. #285

Evil dan
Shadow
Hakan

Next week

Posted by novabatka on March 3, 2010 at 12:22 a.m. #286

@282 STAY CALM?! WTF?! screw you, you viper hating sagat player. how can we stay with the way capcom is butchering viper! not shes going to be right next to dan in the rankings. that mp punch was all she had. without that she cant even beat dan. what they should do nerf rufus dive kick. his dive kick should be a knock down move cuz all his fat throws so much weigh into the kick. they also need to nerf the announcer. why does he talk every 5 seconds, its too powerful for some ppls ears.

Posted by oh man.... on March 3, 2010 at 1:49 a.m. #287

You guys are really going to be surprised next week =)

Posted by hmm on March 3, 2010 at 4:50 a.m. #288

didnt know you can control the distance of el fuertes ultra and his follow up air moves

Posted by ????? on March 3, 2010 at 6:18 a.m. #289

Love it that everyone's telling the Viper players to calm and yet they'd react just the same if the exact same thing happened to one of their characters.

Posted by ????? on March 3, 2010 at 6:30 a.m. #290

*calm down

Anyway, yeah, it was during early stages and the info's not confirmed. We'll see what the changes are when the game comes out.

Posted by @286 on March 3, 2010 at 8:29 a.m. #291

This has to be one of the stupidest post I've ever read. Make Rufus dive kick a knockdown move? That's not a nerf you retard. That's a serious buff. A nerf would be giving more recovery time to his dive kick. And what the hell is this about viper's mp tk being all she has? I'm glad Capcom did this. Now maybe scrubs that think all she can do is spam one stupid frame trap can stop using her. Go play someone else please.

Posted by seth on March 3, 2010 at 10:16 a.m. #292

Makoto
• EX-Karakusa (Grab and Choke) has super armor.
• EX-Oroshi (Overhead Chop) startup has invincible frames just like Viper's EX-Seismo Hammer.

so what this is bascially saying is you can add makoto to the list of characters who can kill me in one combo!hahahahahhahah....oh gawd im going to die...

Posted by bandit on March 3, 2010 at 11:27 a.m. #293

How about someone works on this F'N site and remove all the spyware! Tired of clicking a link to a article (this) and getting a gamefly window opening up.

F'n corrupt cun7; if your going to do a site your not going to make a ton of cash or any at all so stop it.

S.A.D wha wha!

Posted by Bison on March 3, 2010 at 11:43 a.m. #294

You know, I have more than short scissors.
Like pokes and Ex-Stomp.
And pokes.

Posted by Leaker your being followed. on March 3, 2010 at 1:22 p.m. #295

I read some killer stuff on here yesterday from the leaker. It is very obvious that some of the stuff HE, she, or they are saying is not true. However there are things that have been said that I am hoping is true.

One thing is for sure if your post says ARCADE, RELEASE, ANNOUNCEMENT, JAPAN. It is removed instantly.

It is not that hard to do the math. Even if someone is just doing guess work. Capcom is afraid of people talking about an ARCADE game. Why is that? 2 plus 2 does equal 4!

So looks like the rumor list was 100% right. I think an ARCADE version is going to be shown at GDC, and they want it to be a surprise.

Posted by TheLeaker on March 3, 2010 at 2:45 p.m. #296

Olestra in those Frito Lays makes my butt leaky. They are following my leaky butt trail of poop.

Posted by THE GODDAMN MASTER on March 3, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. #297

The image that goes along with this article pretty much sums up my reaction to Makoto and her fanboys.

Posted by @294 on March 3, 2010 at 4:35 p.m. #298

Lol, are you saying you win at high levels using s.mk/s.rh and an ex-hs that's only really effective in the corner? Lets not exaggerate the value of a couple good pokes and an inconsistent metered special. Bison needs short scissors.

Posted by stephen ebiya on March 3, 2010 at 5:25 p.m. #299

Yay Finally hankan is in the roster I can't wait to try him out and also juri

Posted by Ryu (The Greatest Ever) on March 5, 2010 at 12:27 a.m. #300

This has been a bad day. First my peewee shrunk and now it looks all yellowish green. Guess i better cut it off

-$a25cb68a86c57e5600a4c62a4eb550a3

Posted by @ lol @ non-viper players on March 5, 2010 at 10:12 a.m. #301

ARE YOU F#CKIN SH!TTING ME. THE MOST TECHNICALLY ADVANCED CHARACTER IN SF HISTORY.... man please this obviously came from some scrub who hasnt played since the alpha series...have you every heard of people named Ibuki or Dudley....or perhaps this one person named YUN...really scrub? VIPER might not be easy to handle but dont you dare say she is THE MOST or even ONE OF the technical characters. Yun is all execution based, same for dudley i wanna see you playu some 3S and comeback with that " WAAAAAH VIPER IS HARD TO PLAY WAAAHHHHHH" SH!T again

Posted by eee222 on March 5, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. #302

seee

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