Humanbomb, who took home 2nd place at the recent EVO APAC tournament, behind Daigo, will be attending EVO this year in Las Vegas. It's unknown how many other players from Australia will be able to make it over and compete at the event, but it should be interesting to see how they stack up with the players in America and other parts of the world who show up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_NnZK...
Here's the Daigo vs. Humanbomb.
I'm sure Daigo talks some mess, but i think he is being honest here. He probably groups players together if they are beneath him by default.
You ever played like 3 or 4 scrubs before at the sametime? To you, they are all scrubby, but to them they can see obvious differences in their own level.
Besides, until somebody from America or Australia beats him, nothing we can do to prove it otherwise
agree with #1 I was in Australia for a week earlier this year and got to play a bit. Americans are way better than the Aussies, although the Aussies seemed very interested into it.
Struggs, you're the one who's talking out of his ass.
1. To him all of Americans or Australians are scrubs, with the execption of Justin Wong, so to him, they are all the same.
2. He doesn't want to bash Australians in front of their own reporters.
marn sucks. sanford sucks. daigo is right about jwong but he forgot to mention arturo sanchez. didn't he go to japan just to level up? he also beat daigo in the money match as well.
Daigo has been beaten by Valle in Super Turbo which Daigo had called his favroite street fighter (for some time. Recently he started up about alpha) and tons of people know Arturo and Sanford have beaten Daigo in SF4.
He isn't this flawless win machine designed to insult everyone. That aside America is without a doubt 2nd only to Japan. Across all of Europe there area few notable players but I wouldn't say they are equal. Korea has some solid players too, but once again they are lacking.
Evo promises quite a mix this year so I'm expecting to see the real deal soon enough.
Yes, Daigo has been beaten before and will be beaten again.
But two or so wins by Sanford or Arturo doesn't really put them at the same level. To insinuate that is kind of ridiculous.
With a lot of top Japanese players entering EVO this year I imagine the Semi Finals are going to be pretty nuts. I mean didn't a lot of the "Top" U.S. Players try to place at SBO last year and just failed miserably?
Combofiend/Valle and Wong/Marn were both eliminated first round.
I think the Japanese definitely have the edge here and Wong should be happy Daigo even places him in the same ball park as the rest of the Japanese.
I've been watching the american streams and I'll have to say, with the exception of wong and a few others, aussie level of play is up there with the americans.
The reason I say this is because when watching the american matches, it's a very similar level to the top players in australia.
Also to all saying "He's not going to insult the host while in australia", well then the same thing can be said about what he says about american players "being good".
BTW, I thought this interview was more interesting than the blurb lets on, like him thinking Ryan Hart is a good player for Europe, "but that's about it." He clearly respects Justin's level a lot more, and thinks it's going to be a Japanese player or Justin that takes EVO.
All because a Player has beat Daigo doesn't mean they are on the same level. Even Auturo said it himself that he had a extremely hard time putting any type of streak together in Japan. If you compare the best of the Americans to Japanese they probably would never be mentioned if they played in Japan. You have to remember Daigo is going to another country and has to win like over 20 or so matches in a row. I don't think most players out of anywhere can do that in Japan. With that said Justin, Marn, Sanford, Auturo are still great players but, they just don't match up to Japan.
arturo has been sucking pretty bad lately. did you see that recent video of him losing to viper in some weekly tournament? he only beat daigo that one time doesn't mean he is in the same league. arturo's dhalsim does nothing but turtle all day.
Sanford's cammy is always fun to watch. But I don't get why he doesn't always stick with her.
The gap between Japan and the world is going to be very thin soon. SSF4 is so different from vanilla and all the characters are more balanced. It's not centered around Ryu, Sagat or Akuma anymore.
If you don't believe me watch:
Sanford vs Inthul
Tokido vs Luffy
It's going to tough for any top-player and Daigo is no exception.
#22
<i>Rofl @ him smoking Ryan Hart. Finally, shut up the Euros....</i>
Didn't Ryan Hart win against Daigo?
#22
<i>Rofl @ him smoking Ryan Hart. Finally, shut up the Euros....</i>
#23Didn't Ryan Hart win against Daigo?
init thats what im thinkin...
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Ryan Hart has beaten Daigo in every SF4 tournament. Also Arturo has an even better shot at Daigo since Dhalsim got buffed and Ryu got nerfed.
Only Japanese players confirmed are Eita and Daigo. The other top Japanese players didn't come to evo because of exams so they probably wont come this year either.
I'm gonna destroy Daigo at Evo! Watch for The Noble Eskimo!
@#9
Just because Arture beat Daigo in a money match that doesn't mean anything man. It's not like Daigo only loses once or twice a year. You look at Japanese qualifiers for SBO and random Japanese videos Daigo routinely loses. The game isn't structured so the better player wins 95% of the time. It's closer to like baseball, where the best teams win about 60% of the time.
@Hayate1984
is right.. inthul fei long is way better then mago's.. magos fei actually sucks
and luffy beat the crap out of tokido
people are forgetting about Aturo Sanchez. hell hes one of the guys who taught Justin how to play from the beginning lol. anyways im glad me and Daigo share the same opinion. i wanted Urien and Yun/Yang as well in SSF4. everybody else was pulling for the most boring character ever which is R.Mika. although i would love to see Hugo and Rolento, but thats about it. R.Mika can hit the road for all i care.
i heard Fuudo and Eita are coming to Evo, but thats all i heard. i wish Momochi and Kindevu would be there, along with Kuma and TUC.
japanese players win hands down there way of thinking in sf is unbelivable no where else in the world will catch up thts just my opinion ..as of the wee sly dig to ryan hart saying hes only good enough for europe is pretty harsh i watched the full match with ryan and daigo at france and iam sure ryan will admit hes not at daigos lv as he is the best sf player ever and continues to be so but ryan totaly outplayed him in that game and i think is cable of beating him again daigo was terrible in tht match ... but hey i still think justin will take evo with rufus but i think hes a douche just personality wise but hes defo nuber 2 in the world for me easy better than tother top japenese players mago momochi etc
@ JHendrix (#42)
Justin is better than Mago and Momochi? Uhhh... not quite. I think that Justin is definitely number one in the U.S, and perhaps even number one to everyone outside of Japan (although I wonder how him and Poongko stack up now), but to say he outranks Mago, Momochi, Uryo and other top Japanese players just seems a bit overexaggerated.
-JB
@42
Japanese players are always better because they have the natural advantage of being relatively close to all there players. Japan is very small and allows for an easy way to play everyone trough arcades and online. But U.S. is better then Australia. Japan is first then comes the U.S.
My money is on Tokido taking it if he goes.
Re: This whole Australia VS USA thing, pull your heads in. Both sides. Wait until EVO rolls around and we'll let the results speak for themselves.
People are getting a little carried away with rampant speculation long before the verdict is in.
The fact is that Australia is sending over a solid contingent of participants that we feel will fare well. How well is anyone's guess. A few Youtube clips and some musings from Daigo certainly isn't gospel nor will it spell out inevitability in terms of how we stack up against you guys. That will be determined on the day.
I just want to see some great games. Frankly, I think we're going to get that in spades and I wish the best for all competitors. The guys we're sending certainly are no slackers and the USA has a wealth of strong players also.
@41 if thats the case, Japan has already won. Evo09s champion was Daigo, and he was just one Japanese player. and all the guys you just named have beaten him a couple times. JWong wont even make it in losers brackets if all those players are coming.
@ Flawless
"Dashio, Epsilon J, Momochi, Uryo, Kindevu, Gasshuku, Aru, MA@ERO, Kyabetsu Tokido are all confirmed.This year we will find out who the best player is in the world. I still like Justin Wong's Rufus to win it just my opinion"
Where did you hear this?
@ jhendrix
"i watched the full match with ryan and daigo at france and iam sure ryan will admit hes not at daigos lv "
LOL I doubt it. After he beat Daigo he put "Who's Daigo?" in his sig on SRK.
Inthul would be nice addition to EVO.
Not sure how long he's been around, or if he just suddenly burst on the scene at that East Coast Throwdown. But he benefited ALOT from being new and his opponents' inexperience against Fei Long.
For example, Wong was commentating and outright said it was obvious Sanford had NO IDEA Rekka wasn't safe on block. Sanford was just sitting there eating the Rekkas on block all day without punish.
No doubt if Inthul shows up at another big tourney they will be ready for him. Still, props to him and that Fei tho.
Some people here have a clear lack in comprehension skills. (no offense).
Here is a transcript of the entire interview:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-...
1.Daigo is not saying that US players and Australian players are at exactly the same level. If you listen carefully you'll realise that he is saying that the 'average' playing skill of the US base and Australian base is similar. That surly can not be a huge surprise?--Do you people know what 'average' means?
Here is the quote from the translated text by Uke
Q2 – how's Australia compared to US or Europe
A2 – the average players' level isn't too different but the US has players like Justin Wong. If Australia had an iconic figure like Justin, it'd be good
2.Daigo was not saying anything bad about the European player. Again, read the translated text.
Q9 – what do you think of Ryan Heart
A9 – hmm, i think for Europe he's quite good... but that's all i have to say about him
He is not snubbing Ryan or saying anything bad. He is just saying that he doesn't have anything further to add to the conversation regarding this player. Maybe he hasn't played against him as much as someone like Justin Wong.
Man, talk about fragile egos :(
This reminds me a lot of the argument on the MLG forums when they heard an Australian Halo3 Team (Fray) was coming to compete in their first MLG event (MLG Columbus).
There was plenty of name calling and chest beating just like there is here. Many thought they wouldn't even get out of the Amateur Bracket. Fray ended up getting through the Amateur bracket without dropping a game, even against the No.1 seed in the amateur bracket (49 Yellow Dragons). Fray was seeded 128th.
Fray ended up losing to Warriors (Who finished 5th) and Ambush in the championship bracket. Fray ended up finishing 17th overall, which is the equivalent of Jwong finishing about 4th-5th at SBO in Japan.
The US is Japan for Halo3.
So what I'm trying to say is, read Gamago's post. Let's just wait and let the quarter circles do the talking.
Though I must admit... this has built up even more hype then before. Thanks for the feature. :D
P.S: Those who are saying Momochi is coming to EVO should probably read this...
http://www.shadowloo.com/?p=1595
Momochi's excuse for not coming to evo is kinda weak. SBO is a month after EVO thats plenty of time to prepare.
hahahahahahahaha...human bomb is not that good...
buh to play against daigo is cool...jwongs rufus got raped by daigos ryu last tym and nerfed or not...will get raped again...
all you suckas talk lyk yous are gona play them...
if momochi were there hed proly be champ...mago,momochi,tokido and uryo are far better than jwong...
hes a show boating loser...
you americans live off him...buh yeah i would rate the americans same lvl as the aussies...
americans take a loss harder though...blaming lag and other rubbish reasons why they lose...if your lagging obviously the other person is lagging...deal with it...
Momochi is the best...ony one level wit daigo...
dude daigo has lost to other people in america (arturo).that humanbomb dude he just beat is one of the best aussie has to offer but yet were on the same level as them except for justin ? Tired of people riding japs nuts.
How can you judge humanbomb as a player on just that one match against daigo? If i were to judge justin AS A PLAYER over his match against daigo in evo 09 then I'd say he was a massive scrub.
Also to the people thinking he's just being polite, What about 5:24? he didn't even CONSIDER that an australian player might win, Quite rude of him isn't it? No, He's just telling it like it is, How the see's it at least. That is precisely why i don't think he was just being polite when he said australia are around the same level.
He considers justin, Even though last time at evo justin couldn't even take a round off him, And he is supposed to be the best in the us.
In conclusion: Sit down.
Also:
Even if you can somehow prove that america is better then australia on average. Your elitist attitude fails morally and factually because you can't chant "we're number one, we're number one"
Because your not, Japan is.
Japan -
humble community that is willing to share with each other techniques and strategy in the game. yeah, diago might be one of the better players in his particular community, but keep in mind that there are others as good as him.
USA -
constant bickering, yeah, there are online communities for learning more about ssf4 but it always comes down to competition, jargon taunting, and calling each other scrubs in order to feel better about themselves.
in order for the US to really come out top or even near japan's level, it really has to drop all the bull and be willing to work together. but if the elite of the community doesn't step up to the plate (props for valle and other folk for doing his thing), and keeps the game/high level play as a social club that perpetuates the most of the animosity that can occur within the social confines of the game, i just don't see the US's game expanding any further.
yeah, competition is a good thing, but at the end of the day, everyone has a reason for doing what they do, either to protect their own interests or sadly boost their own egos.
i dunno, maybe this just shows how different our cultures and teachings therein can somehow affect the way we play games with each other.
never the less...justin sdill lost...
even with all his homo friends wearing those i got humiliated in 3rd strike tshirts...
it dusnt matter hu jwong plays with...daigo oways outplays him...
i believe alex valle is the best american sf player period...
the one with the best record against worlds number 1...
People say Daigo doesn't talk sh!t but he clearly is here. Ricky Ortiz, Sanford Kelly and Alex Valle are nearly at Justin's level, they're far better then the Australia players.
Hell, there's TONS of people here in America that are way better than the the top players in Australia. Have you seen their videos from evo apoc? They're not impressive.
It's not like they suck, but these guys aren't at our level over here. Daigo is talking out his ass.