With the button inputs showing, you can see that Daigo does quite a bit of Plinking in these videos. To understand a bit more of what that is and how it's done, click here.
Yea daigo is plinking lol sigh................ Sooner or later im gona have to learn this.
Anyway ADON FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw an Adon fight in the battle log vs Gameinn (Daigo) and Daigo got DESTROYED. It was funny.
the adon is ten million light years ahead of valles adon
Ryu is so boring, no matter who plays him. Great Adon player though
Justin wong is an idiot, he may be one of the best SF players in the world but he's an idiot. About a month before the games release he was moaning that adon was the 2nd weakest character in the game.......well judging from these videos he's obviously not.
@Pusha_T
That doesn't make him an idiot unless it includes everyone else's thoughts pre-release. He was moaning about Adon being weak while everyone else was complaining about GUILE being weak, Seth being the very best, and Dudley being incredibly strong/near top.
Everyone was wrong. You know why? Because the game wasn't even out yet, and nobody had really spent a long enough time with it to KNOW any of that stuff. Pretty much everything everyone said about the characters and balance pre-release is absolutely meaningless.
no one should really say this or that char's crap until you see the pro's (JAP) they will show us who works well and who doesnt. the only person i thought was a bit poo was hakan and then the jap's confirmed it lol overall i think the game is pretty well balanced. daigo offline is a beast!
No I knew there were plinking just never knew how it worked until the video explained it lol even so Daigo is just too crazy with his plinking skills lol. While hes playing normally like everyone else, hes actually pressing additional 30 more buttons than everyone else. That must be tiring :)
I dont like Daigo you know.... he always choice that wathever you do is a combo character, c'mon I think Ryu is the most overpowered that I know, and if you see online, there is a lot of ryus more than any other character, and because hes overpowered..... capcom dont nerf this guy :( he have all to win, very easy combos,one of the best super and ultras, and have more walk speed than ken?? wtf
Ugh, so even "high-level" Adon's spam specials? Is Adon combo retarded or are people just using him that way?
@Garr31
The way you can is the Adon player is doing instant-air jaguar kicks is if Adon does a jaguar kick animation but does *not say "Jaguar Kick". Truth be told, this player did quite a lot so he has some skill because the motion is a little more refined than Cammy's instant air cannon spikes.
@27
K, just to clear things up, Ryu's combos are EASY AS HELL, that's why he's the beginners choice character...easy to play with. And yes, Ryu is a bit OP but it's always been like that. Anyone that doesn't know this is a Ryu fanatic or has never played SF before.
Can someone explain what "plinking" is to me in simple terms? I looked dat the video but I did not understand. For example if I wanted to "plink" a crouching MP, crouching MP and crouching High Kick [roundhouse]how would I do it?
Thanks.
Yeah Daigo, got mashed it happens.
@ Dark_Fantom
Ryu is overpowered? He got nerfed the worst out of the entire cast. BTW Ryu was mid tier in previous SF games lol @ overpowered.
People just love to complain when they lose to the most predictable character in the cast.
the same people that were JUST learning about AND flaming people for using plinking yesterday are now using it as if they've known about it for years. quit frontin. and why base your opinion of a char based on what other people are saying? I've been usin Adon since 4/27. personally, i like to figure sh*t out myself. not gonna wait for some vid to be posted by a "top-player" and then be "oh, such and such chars not as weak as i thought. im gonna play him too." that's weak sh*t
everyone here is purping like an OG street fighter player when they started playing seriously with Street Fighter 4.
smh
Now everyone is spamming the "plink" buzzword.
Have a reality check. Plinking is refined mashing. Instead of banging on your controller for reversal shoryukens instead you "politely" mash specific buttons as fast as you can. pressing buttons as fast as u can is mashing.
Street fighter is supposed to sound like, tap-tap-tappity-tap tap...
not ap i lap i lap i lap i tap i lap itty lapitty tap itty tap...
smh...option select...when i learned about this i was saddened. No read and react...really? Youre letting the system run your defense instead of you.
cmon guys...this game used to matter to me. I used to call it digital chess. Now its digital cheese.
JerseyFame xbox live...playing Guile the OG way since 1992...and I smash you option selecting scrub fools...not cus i take shortcuts, but because Im better.
Experience counts. Peace.
Online doesn't decide anything and true skill is seen offline only. Whether the adon is hugh level or not...hmm that has to be decided offline when there is no lag and no excuses. I can't really say whether or not the adon is high level even if his play online was as great as we have seen.
Ryu did NOT get more nerfs then any other character in SSF4, AND his combos ARE easy. the only combos ill admit are challenging are linking into his cr.HK and cr.HP, otherwise his BnBs are probably the easiest in the game imho. not trying to take anything away from Daigo, but its true. any character "can" be predictable but Ryu has just about every tool in the game and their all viable.
Hell yeah Adon!
#45 I guess the choice is to be stuck in some false-sense of romanticized superiority or accept developments in game design. If you hate plinking and option-selects and these things that have ruined the franchise, play SF2. Damning people for using tools available in the game, that will quickly become standards that seemed like they've always been there, is just fruitless.
and lastly...why the hell did a tutorial for plinking and option selecting even get made!!! Dont encourage this. Encourage people to play better!!! Arrrggg now scrubs are gonna abuse thios and practice it for hours while im at work making money and when I get home and wanna play a decent street fighter match in between writing rhymes Im gonne be met with guys abusing these techniques!!!!
RRraaaaaawwwwrrrr!! I hate scrruuuubbbbsss!
Hey! I'm a pretty good button mash...i mean plinker, why are I playing as good as Daigo? or even the coolest emo kid in the world...of SF...JWONG!!
All characters have easy BNBs thats why their called BNBs wtf. I didn't say he got more nerfs. The nerfs he did get were the most devastating than the other chars. Ryu's dp sucks now no priority at all and if it does connect it does about a jab punch of damage. The super trap is gone. Plus all the characters that he went 5-5 with Dhalsim, Dictator, Guile are now 6-4 in their favor due to the buffs they received. Even the Rufus matchup is now in Rufus' favor thanks to his Ultra 2. Who got it worse than Ryu? Capcom did this because people were crying about Ryu being OP. He's nerfed and people still complain. That one idiot even say Ryu is OP in every SF game lol.
@38
Don't get too excited. I'm not making excuses for Daigo, but Taiwan isn't exactly close to Taiwan. there's gotta be some lag in there - you rarely see Daigo drop this many links in tourney play.
Also these are online un-ranked matches. Not exactly serious business.
@35
Explain? I only watched the first two videos so I didn't see him land Ultra 1 once, but he did plenty of FADC out of Rising Jaguar only to follow up with another Rising Jaguar when he could have used Ultra 2 in that situation instead for a lot more damage.
@61: The threat of U1 kept Daigo from fireball spam towards the end of a round. He caught Daigo with U1 with just one stray fireball from midscreen on reaction (I think in vid 3). While his damage output would be higher with U2 (probably), the threat of U1 was a defensive tool that allowed him to continue to apply pressure instead of being locked down by fireball spam in late game.
Just read more of these idiotic comments. Plinking is cheap now? The top players have been doing it since SF4 was released in the arcade.
U1 limits your opponents options (mostly projectile chars), making your opponent alter their strategy, and that alone is significant in itself, regardless if you actually use the ultra or not. I personally like U2 cuz of it's combo/fadc potential. U1 is more damaging though, when it fully connects.
I cant believe how many idiots (noobs) are complaining about plinking...its actually been a known fact. SRK forums has a thread about it that was posted april 2009...its been over a year.
First of all, if you play with a pad, none of this applies to you because u cant plink on a pad....
I read a comments such as "plinking is too hardcore, i'll just rely on natural timing..."
If your THAT good at connecting 1-frame links, go ahead. But its pretty much impossible for consistency. have u seen the WCG matches between Eita and Alioune, where akuma does the HK->lp link multiple times? I can bet my balls that eita plinks.
and it is very evident here that even daigo plinks. and its not cheap, as its not that easy to plink even if you know how to.
guys, honestly I dont think that Daigo is the one playing, I have watched alot of his matches and I have never seen him use the air tatsu ever! but all of a sudden he is throwing it like there is no tomorrow. Daigo pressures with fireball but for some reason he isnt in the videos. I think its his friend playing actually.
Lol now everyone is gonna learn how to plink cus Diago dose it even though everyone was hating on the tutorials post a while back. People need to think for themselves and get off these bandwagons.
Not trying to say plinking is bad. If you wanna be good gotta learn how to plink. Just saying be the wolf not a bunch of mindless sheep.
@ryu apprentice....he stopped pressuring with FBs because of the threat of Adon's ultra 1. it practically eliminates your use of projectiles once Adon has it stocked. Throw projectiles at your own risk, but be prepared to eat a full ultra.
and for all you plinking noobs and haters. this was posted last year. although double-tapping has been around much longer than that.
@NumeroGaijin
right... online doesn't mean crap.. i mean they pull off their combos and are fighting pretty much lag free and it means nothing they could be scrubs offline right?? i mean if they played offline maybe daigo can't even do a hadouken right?
catalyst need to start banning these super scrubs commenting lately who dont know crap about sf.
and stfu about ryu being easy to use.. if he so easy then u should be just as good as him.. plus he knows how to use everyone
#44 and #55 are correct.
Daigo is not getting destroyed. He is learning to play against Adon. If you look careful at how fast he learns what to do and what not to do against this character. As somone said, Adon is niche and if Daigo can effectively learn to play against this character another championship awaits him.
Any professional team / player gets L's during the regular season but come playoffs or crunch time its a totally different ball game. Who cares if he drops matches here or gets a perfect here. Remember he is playing top level opponenets but come EVO he will be in the top 3 if not #1.
#66 The air hurrican kick was one of the few counters that he could employ. Again he was learning to come up with alternative attacking options after getting closed down on his attacking 1 and 2 options. The air hurrican kick was a very effective counter.
@66
Definitely is Daigo, the fact that he's doing lots of air tatsu and other seemingly "random" stuff is probably bcause he's learning the matchup and testing sh*t for using in real matches, i.e. tourneys. And he's not throwing lots of FB because of Addon's U1.
Ahem anybody wanna talk about the videos instead of being jerks? I thought that Adon was badass and Daigo's Ryu seems to be adjusting to the small changes in SSF4 but still holding up.
Start acting like a community though for real people. Seems like every forum is a Player Haters Ball. Might I remind some of the meatheads that this genre was a dead horse until last year so quit being bitter.
if you notice, the adon player plinks also.. just not as much.. just from his lp to mp combos
@ #75
No, SSBM has no depth SSF4 has depth you can understand why the player did that action. SSBM is just random attacking and hoping to knock the player off.
Pretty good matches I liked how he linked two middle punches to a low forward then canceling to a super. It's in the first video.
BTW Jersey. Scrubs won't plink because its not beginner friendly and flowcharts are easier. Relax bro you seem like you'd know better than that lol.
As for the bashing online play as a recognized medium for strong competition. People need to realize we'd love to go to tourneys and all that but life outside of SF does exist as well as online being the only way to play others (Arcades don't exist where I live). As KingKindred said himself "It's just video game" so just have fun.
So "plinking" is basically double tapping or button mashing certain links? Wow, that's nothing new...Here I was thinking this is a new concept but it is old.
I'll stick with timing my links as I'm already comfortbable with doing it. I just don't know why everyone is making a big deal with Daigo "plinking."
@#80
Not really. Plinking, in the very simplest way it can be defined would be:
"A technique to quickly input the same attack two times in a span of a couple milliseconds with essentially 1 button press. Used to try to hit the window that tight combos require."
Easiest instructions on how to do it:
"Do a Kara motion: First press the punch(or kick) you want. Then press a lesser powered punch as fast as you would do a Kara all the while still holding down the original punch button. When the lesser punch button gets pressed, the game reads it as the original punch button inputed a second time. Bam, you get your original punch entered in twice."
That's all it is. There's no magic.
@Dark_Fantom
you're an idiot, some of ryu's combos are among the hardest in the game; if they're so easy why isn't everyone doing them huh?
and hes never been overpowered, hes always balanced out in games; even in original sf4 only noobs complain that hes too good, so capcom nerfed him up because of crybabys bitching about srk/fireball spammers
@21 NA. Justin wong had access to the game at least 4 months before official release so he had more time with the game to base opinions.
The reason why many people were moaning about guile pre-release is because many of em saw or read about the changes being made to him and also read the biased opinions from some randomers who got to play the game early and what happened in the end? Guile turned out to be so good many people are even calling him top tier.
Plinking isn't a scrub tactic, it's a pro tactic. In fact, most (all?) competitive players have been plinking their links since the discussion got stickied on SRK in like, April of '09.
If you choose not to use a game mechanic that works to your advantage, especially one that is used by pretty much everyone, well... THATS scrubby (unless you can hit all your 1-frame links with 100% accuracy without plinking).
Nah... In the long haul, Ryu would still own Adon. Ryu is just a more complete character compared to adon. Or compared to many, if not most characters in the game. So Ryu would still be at the top 3 spot in terms of tier rankings imo. I for one use Adon and I could see that Adon players will still work harder for their wins than Ryu users. Now that is just a matter of FACT and not an opinion.
"among the top 3 I mean. Possibly even at the top.
Plinking is a technique... you practice it to be better at another technique which yet still requires its own practice, that can't be waived. To call this abuse, or scrubby, is just revealing how much of a scrub you are. You really think newbie flowcharting Kens can kara throw, or plink..? Most of them can't, will never learn to, and the vast majority of the people who watched these tutorials will either not try to do it or never get good enough to use it reliably.
No, the people that really do this stuff are the people who beat you whiners for free. Someone who is bad at this game, but knows how to plink, OS, kara, will STILL lose to someone who is better than them. These are just tools, very specific tools. But in a close matchup, it will obviously give whoever knows these things an edge.
If you don't have the time to learn it then that's too bad. It probably wouldn't take that long, considering you have time to play SF in the first place. Otherwise though, keep your tears out of this place and get with the times yo.
I think there are 2 ways to look at how good characters are.
There is the typical XBox live player's view of characters. That has to deal with how easy it is to learn/use the character. For example, the average mediocre player is gonna do a lot better with Sagat then C. Viper. He's just simply easier to use. A player doesn't need to be as good as you to beat you with Sagar when you are C.Viper.
The other is at the pro level. Which character is the most complete and has the least subtlest of flaws that a really good player can exploit. For example, Sagat's walk speed is so slow it may seriously cramp your footsie or poke game. Not a big deal for casual play as you can get by, but can be seriously punishing at the pro level.
You know what scratch that DS123 forget the plinking my timing is consistently great. I can time combos like nothing. Heck my entire game is about my great reactions and timing!
However I do struggle to learn the actual moveset [like properly DP then FADC into an ultra]. But I can read opponents moves and REACT accordingly with a counter/reversal most of the time IE Hurricane kick when someone tries to use Hyper Armor/Absorb/Focus or dragon punch an M. Bison scissor kicking me nearly at point blank range.
Yeah my ability to read, react and timing has always been my strong points. Not knowing how to combo into ultras/supers properly for big damage is my weakness.
While Plinking is an old tactic, the story that was posted here yesterday discussed Tech Throw Plinking, Double Plinking and True Double Plinking, which are techniques — as far as I know — not known by the community at large until yesterday's post.
Vanilla Plinking has been around for awhile though.
Why are people equating plinking with mashing? I swear a lot of you people have learning disabilities or something.
I dont even know why I bother reading this site anymore. This is a haven for noobs.
Glad to see Daigo is still using ryu. Also this tier list from justin wong, and his proxies is complete, and utter refuse. Ofcourse im off topic, but guile higher than ryu? That's way too funny, abel, bison, and viper as well, truly they jest if they believe this. Im not going to knock rufus he's good, but as the elite, not possible, i'd say Akuma b4 all if anything then rufus then ryu. The tier list will change substantially when Japan players gather i assure. Guile, or Abel didn't get enough to be that high im sorry its just fact deal. Ryu is top 5 regardless the fact that Daigo is still using ryu proves that, you ryu haters don't like that, and i love that. Even with Ryu's "nerfs" he's still essentially the best character in the game just deal with it. Im no new ryu user ive been a so called ryu "fanboy" since sf2 so... save the pathetic quips on that matter for some other. I play ssf4 alot im exceptionally good, and ive fought great, and beat great bisons, vipers, abels, guiles, and ryu is higher.
Tier lists are not based on how well you do against people online or small scale tournaments. Plinking is not mashing. Plinking is a one frame extra safety net when doing tight combos so naturally people do it especially when they are in tense situations that are known to throw off timing.
Wait I have to say something about JerseyFame or else It wouldn't feel like a normal post. Option seclecting has been around since SF2. A great example is how honda could store an ochio and charge a butt smash and if your opponent jumped the game selected buttsmash while ochio ate the rest. Learning game mechanics has been around since SF2. A serious OG player would understand that. Oddly when I come home from a 6/5 day work week I can take a couple minutes to look at what other people discover then go and apply it. I'm not about to say I am a notable player but at least I have faced some good players and when we finished win or lose we could discuss the match without resorting to words like cheap of scrubby.
As i can see the adon is good but daigo wins the most once again. the adon player needs to improve the distance for those jaguars because sometimes he goes to far and punished for that, thats because the low medium heavy and ex version of the kick have different range, however he won matches with a character that the most people thought that would be just one more.
for the people saying "Daigo is just learning this match" keep in mind that the Adon player is not only just learning the match up but a new character. i watched all of these and could see he doesn't figure out how good EX JK is until the last 2 videos, another thing he needs to notice about his play is that he is backing away alot.
Adon has good normals i dont see the point to back away(without life lead) and try to come in with a JK, Daigo is loving it when he does that, all Daigo has to do is DP. also no neutral jump mix ups? i know Ryu's DP is godlike but you have to use those bomb nj normals, if even just once or twice to keep ryu on his toes.
I didnt think CAPCOM pass all this time making such a great game, just to find people is learning to play abusing stupid programming errors. Its like manny pacquiao trainning for get some rocks inside his gloves just before the fight begins. Some update or fix is needed i mean, mashing all the buttons just for not miss the combos is STUPID
Sweet. Nice to see an adon who isn't the "online" adon.
ex. "online" ken.