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GodsGarden online Super Street Fighter 4 results, Sako vs. YHC Mochi

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • July 31, 2010 at 6:10 a.m. PDT
GodsGarden online Super Street Fighter 4 results, Sako vs. YHC Mochi YHC Mochi (Dhalsim) and Sako (Cammy) played in the grand finals of the GodsGarden online Super Street Fighter 4 tournament this morning, here's a link to archived video of the GamerVision stream.

This was an interesting set, as Cammy is largely considered to have the advantage in this head to head match up.

For the results and a recap, click the link below.

Sako (Cammy) 10
YHC Mochi (Dhalsim) 5

While this is regarded as a 6-4 match up in Cammy's favor in the current tier rankings, some players would argue it's closer to 7-3, with Dhalsim being at a strong disadvantage.

Dhalsim doesn't have great options to punish Cammy's mistakes unless he has a full Super meter. Also, he must avoid the corner where Cammy's rushdown, combos and speed will give him serious problems, as he'll typically lose some life trying to escape a corner situation once he's pinned down.

Cammy wants to score knockdowns whenever possible, as this sets up her deadly offensive rushdown. Once Cammy gets inside on Dhalsim, she can end things quickly with a few large combos and continually mixing things up, as Sim's reduced stamina doesn't give him a big margin for error.

This match is a big contrast in styles as Dhalsim wants to be near full-screen distance at almost all times and Cammy wants to be up close whenever possible.

Cammy's ability to close ground quickly, vary her offense and punish some of Dhalsim's moves are the main reasons Cammy is considered to be stronger in this match up.

While YHC Mochi showed this is a winnable match and made things competitive, he opened up this set by losing the first 5 games, even though some of the matches came down to the wire.

At this point, Mochi started to bait out more unsafe attacks from Cammy and punished them accordingly to win his first game. With the score 5-1, it appeared that Mochi had started to get a feel for what Sako was trying to do, but things turned quickly once his Dhalsim got cornered in the next match and Cammy ended up pulling out another win to make the score 6-1.

Even though Mochi was taking a beating, he showed that Dhalsim's Super can be a game changer, taking off large amounts of Cammy's life when she left herself open. Mochi again was able to win another game, but lost the next set because of a few bad reads. At this point, it was 7-3 in Sako's favor.

Facing an almost insurmountable deficit, YHC Mochi began to make some headway by winning every other game from this point on, but it ended up being too little too late, as Sako had built a huge lead on the scoreboard and he was able to take the GodsGarden Online Super Street Fighter 4 title despite Mochi weathering the storm a bit.

Previous results


In case you missed any of the earlier rounds, here are links to the results and video archives.

Round 2: Sako (Cammy) vs. Makoto (Vega)

Round 2: Daigo Umehara (Ryu) vs. YHC Mochi (Dhalsim)

Round 1: Makoto (Vega) vs. Uryo (C. Viper)

Round 1: Daigo Umehara (Ryu) vs. Momochi (Ibuki)

Round 1: YHC Mochi (Dhalsim) vs. Mago (Fei Long)

Round 1: Tokido (Akuma) vs. Sako (Cammy)

Comments

CStrike said on July 31, 2010 at 4:10 a.m.

Sako tearing it up...

#1
SabishiiRyuu said on July 31, 2010 at 4:11 a.m.

Sako is gonna rape Mochi from the looks of it.

#2
Jeremy092387 said on July 31, 2010 at 4:20 a.m.

Looking pretty bad for mochi....

Not quite sure how this match up works, but it looks pretty bad for Dhalsim.

#3
ubervillain said on July 31, 2010 at 4:24 a.m.

Damn. My eyes can't keep up with the Sako rushdown.

#4
SabishiiRyuu said on July 31, 2010 at 4:26 a.m.

WHAT a comeback.

#5
Kurow said on July 31, 2010 at 4:39 a.m.

Cammy is winning xD

#6
bananainsaneface said on July 31, 2010 at 4:55 a.m.

Sako did what Daigo couldn't do. Sako is the best player in the world.

#7
loasdblopp said on July 31, 2010 at 5:12 a.m.

You mean in Japan, right?

#8
StruC said on July 31, 2010 at 5:16 a.m.

which means he's the best in the world

#9
fabulos said on July 31, 2010 at 5:27 a.m.

hopefully these guys will be at EVO next year. and I can't wait for EVO Japan.

#10
BADerRules said on July 31, 2010 at 5:29 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#11
ModBR said on July 31, 2010 at 6:40 a.m.

Sako is one of the best players in the world without doubt, he does rushdown with Cammy is awesome, so consider him the best player of Cammy!

#12
shinobaka said on July 31, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.

damn i really wish Daigo made it to the finals....

#13
Flawless said on July 31, 2010 at 7:07 a.m.

Sako is one of the best players in the world and the has the best Cammy with out doubt. But he faced all good match ups with Cammy. Akuma Vega and Sim all in Cammy's favour I would of like to see him against Daigo or Uryo even Mago and see how he does against them.

#14
yes4me said on July 31, 2010 at 8:56 a.m.

Great to know one of my fav character is doing to great and is probably my best character to pick to win against Dhalsim.

#15
TheShotokan said on July 31, 2010 at 9:02 a.m.

(This user was banned.)

#16
remoteee said on July 31, 2010 at 9:16 a.m.

^ Be smart, Shiro is better~

#17
ModBR said on July 31, 2010 at 9:44 a.m.

Sako is Top too and Daigo he is human sometimes loses...

#18
SephirothinHD said on July 31, 2010 at 9:58 a.m.

Mah boy SAKO!!!!

#19
CowboyBebopCrew said on July 31, 2010 at 10:11 a.m.

Deep down, I knew Sako would win, but I still wanted to see Mochi pull it out with his Dhalsim.

-JB

#20
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 10:13 a.m.

Sakos a beast. To bad hell probably never come to EVO. Maybe hell be at EVO Japan.

#21
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 10:20 a.m.

@16

I dont think it was that everyone knows how to play against Daigo because most people know how to play against Cammy. I you wanna compare numbers there are only like 2 world class Ryus same with about every character.

I think it was that Sako just got a little lucky with the match-ups he got. Not to take anything away from Sako because he is beastly, but all of the matches he played were in his favor. Akuma, Vega, Dhalsim all in Cammys favor. Daigo got Mochi which is a tough match for both Ryu and Dhalsim.

If Sako faced Daigo I think Sako would still win but it would be very close.

#22
logic_boi said on July 31, 2010 at 10:23 a.m.

Exactly the outcome I predicted 10-5 Sako. I must say even with the obvious advantage I was rooting for him bc Cammy's favorite girl evurr.

#23
jesuslovessatan said on July 31, 2010 at 10:33 a.m.

this was to easy. it seemed that YHCmochi didnt block when he was supposed to and didnt take advantage of his air teleport/normals. good game though. congrats to sako.

#24
RandomPlayer said on July 31, 2010 at 10:34 a.m.

The top players in Japan can be very much like rock-scissor-papers.

for example:

Daigo can consistently beat Sako
Sako can consistently beat YHC-Mochi
YHC-Mochi can consistently beat Daigo

Mago did better than Daigo against YHC-Mochi
However Daigo beats Mago consistently.

Gamerbee is even with Daigo
Sako is even with Gamerbee
But Daigo can beat Sako

Also it happens with international players too

Gamerbee beat Justin Wong
Justin Wong usually beats Mike Ross
However Mike Ross beat Gamerbee

It's like the top players have at least one person they have difficulty beating.

Daigo has trouble against YHC-Mochi and solid Dhalsim players.
(Also Makoto's Vega was able to beat Daigo many times in netplay)
YHC-Mochi & Tokido have trouble against Sako
etc.

It's kind of messed up. It's probably because of the character matchups (or lack of knowledge of the matchup).

However overall Daigo usually has the best win-loss ratio compared to the rest of the players. This is probably why many consider him the best in the world even though he loses to or is even with some players.

#25
remoteee said on July 31, 2010 at 10:53 a.m.

^ do u live in japan?

#26
ModBR said on July 31, 2010 at 11:12 a.m.

GamerBee not Japanese!

#27
benjee said on July 31, 2010 at 11:36 a.m.

Sako is a great player but without the versus he faced (some of the "easier" for Cammy) he wouldn't have made it to the final so pls...

#28
logic_boi said on July 31, 2010 at 11:46 a.m.

@15

When have you seen Daigo consistently beat Sako. The vids I've seen Sako beat Daigo's Ken and Guile. I'm not saying Sako > Daigo nor vice versa, it's that I haven't seen nor heard much btwn them other than Sako saying he really wanted to go up against Daigo.

#29
logic_boi said on July 31, 2010 at 11:47 a.m.

^ Meant to direct comment @ 25.

#30
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 12:29 p.m.

I lol at all the DAIGO fanboys just running their fanboy mouths at how Daigo can beat Sako which is utterly nonsense. Sako has BEATEN Daigo [using Ken masters], Sako has beaten players Daigo can not beat...Makoto CONSISTENTLY beats Daigo up and down the field yet Sako beats Makoto in a first to ten soundly, Daigo struggles against Tokido yet Sako beat him, Daigo got dominated by Mochi yet Sako dominates Mochi.. Daigo stated himself that this tournament was to see who truly is the strongest. There's no discussing this, Sako is the strongest player in Japan which basically means he is the strongest in the world right now.

You Daigo fanboys can keep dreaming.

#31
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 12:46 p.m.

@31

I like how you pretend match ups don't have a strong influence on who beats who. Not taking anything away from Sako at all hes amazing. But just because he beat mochi with an easy match up, and Daigo lost to mochi in a bad match up, doesn't automatically mean Sako > Daigo.

#32
rudiano said on July 31, 2010 at 12:50 p.m.

@32 matchups smatchups

#33
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 12:59 p.m.

@33

Match ups = Street Fighter

#34
gtfopanda said on July 31, 2010 at 1:30 p.m.

Umehara's haters are truly amusing.

#35
spotlesseden said on July 31, 2010 at 1:33 p.m.

i don't see Mochi dominated Daigo. not should want match that you were watching. it was 10-8. it can easily be 9-9, going to the last game. don't know where you get the idea of Makoto beat Daigo all the time.

I don't know where people get the idea of Gamerbee is even with Daigo too. the youtube vid shows that Daigo beats gamerbee more than he lose.

I think sako is the better player. But make up stuffs off the air is just stupid. They will have sako vs Daigo first to 10 very soon.

#36
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 1:35 p.m.

@32
No it has nothing to do with matchups. Cause if that were the case Daigo would have beaten Makoto's vega all the times they have played but his ryu didn't beat Makoto's Vega, Didn't even come close. Guile has an advantage over Cammy and so does Ken yet Sako SOUNDLY beat both of them played by Daigo.

It has nothing to do with "character matchups" that is made up nonsense by the community. The TRUTH is that player skills will always overcome. Skill is all that matters and you fanboys need to stop making excuses.

#37
spotlesseden said on July 31, 2010 at 1:42 p.m.

I have see Diago beat Mokoto's vega in tournament couple of times. i don't know what you mean by not even close.

There is no best player in Japan. At any day, anybody can beat anybody. I wouldn't surprise to see Tokido beat sako in first to 10 if they play again. I wouldn't surprise to see Daigo beat Mokoto if they even play again or Mokoto beat Daigo. I wouldn't surprise to see mago beat Mochi.

IF Daigo and Sako ever going to play first to 10. i'm not betting my house on anyone. it's too difficult to tell. it's all about who make couple good read. that could the different between winning 10-9 or losing 8-10.

#38
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 1:43 p.m.

@31

Sako isnt the best just cus he beat the same people Daigo did. He would probably lose to Daigo because the Ryu match is harder for Cammy. Sako is amazing but through out this tournament he had matches that favor Cammy.

If anything Japanese are the most inconsistent players ever. You will have a player that is on top one day then he becomes 10th the next. Japanese are truly inconsistent and if anything Daigo is the best Japanese player because he is so much more consistent then everyone else.

Sako is amazing and he would give the best a run for there money, but the fact is that he had an easier road to win.

And as posted earlier Match ups=Street Fighter

#39
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 1:53 p.m.

@37
hahaha character match ups are nonsense?? Wow now that is hilarious. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

#40
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 1:55 p.m.

@#39
I already told you matchups don't matter cause they aren't official..even SETH Killian states this all the time at Evo. "It's about the player not the characters."

And lol at you stating inconsistency in japan when Daigo gets beat all the time in japan. You fanboys are dellusional because Daigo goes to Amercia and wins for free you think Daigo is the best player in japan when clearly he is not cause he loses all the time in japan.

The truth is players skill=Street Fighter.

#41
spotlesseden said on July 31, 2010 at 2:01 p.m.

@41, it's not Americans think he is the best in Japan. even pro Japanese players think so too. Go read some interview. Both Daigo and Sako are call fighting game god in Japanese.

Everybody lose all the time in Japan. that;s why there is no best in Japan. there are just many many great players.

Sako has the best winning rate at SF4 arcade based on his card. Daigo has the second best winning rate like close to 80% of something. yes, he lost 20% of the time.

#42
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 2:07 p.m.

@41

Lol dude you need to get your sh!t strait.

What Seth Killian and everyone is stating when they say skill over character is about tier list.People right off characters because of the tier list not match ups. Match ups and tier list while they pretty much really on each other are a whole different thing when it comes to a players skill.

Match ups=/=Tier List

You should read up more before you start posting cus with that post you just told everyone your a scrub.

#43
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 2:12 p.m.

@42

Your wrong Sako never played at the arcade. He is relatively new when it comes to SF4 cus he always played at home. Apart from this online tournament he has never competed in SF4 and he hasn't competed for a very long time either.

MAGO has the highest BP in the arcades followed by I think Daigo.

#44
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 2:29 p.m.

@Tru1yOdd#42
The tier list outlines the character matchups based off of the disadvantages/advantages. That is part of the character tier list [matchups and all] from the community. Scrubs are the ones excepting these unofficial made up nonsense and using them for excuses because their skills suck.

Skill > tier list [character matchups] and Seth was saying that is all that matters.

#45
bananainsaneface said on July 31, 2010 at 2:44 p.m.

Lets get one thing straight Daigo has never beaten Sako not in SSF4 or any previous game they have played if you search on youtube there are vids of Daigo losing to Sako even an old vid from when they use to play Darkstalkers Daigo loses to Sako. Also Sako did play a little bit in the arcade version of SF4 and his win percentage was above 90%.

#46
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 2:50 p.m.

@45

Yea match ups do affect the Tier List. But match ups directly apply to your skill.

To be a better player with your character and every character you play you need to learn the match ups. Ill use Justin Wong for an example he lost to Gamerbee because he did not know the match up not necessarily because Gamerbee is that much better. To advance yourself to become a better player and raise your skill you gotta learn your match ups. If you play Rufus you gotta learn the Gief match, if you play Balrog you gotta learn the Guile match. To be a better player YOU GOTTA LEARN YOUR MATCH UPS.

Your thinking about tier list.

#47
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.

@45: Wrong, matchups and tier list aren't official it's made up crap by the community..Justin lost because Gamerbee was the better player that day. Then gamerbee beat up on marn in the salty suite then daigo beat Arturo Sanchez who ZOMG HAD THE CHARACTER MATCHUP ADVANTAGE AND STILL LOST111!!

Capcom says skill > tier list/character matchups period and right now Sako is at the top because this tournament was specifically made for that reason stated so by Daigo himself.

#48
jesuslovessatan said on July 31, 2010 at 3:20 p.m.

ok there is way to many umehara haters here. granted there is probably more fanboys here, but it is justified. any interview (and i want you to look it up b4 you post some bs) with 95% of serious street fighter players will concede that Daigo Umehara is probably #1 in general and the world. dont hate, congragulate. Sako's cammy is a monster but i doubt he would say he's better than Daigo. if you dont like Daigo fanboys than you probably dont like Mago, Momochi, Tokido, Eita, etc. so c'mon show some respect.

#49
Tru1yOdd said on July 31, 2010 at 3:33 p.m.

@46

Lol last post if you dont get it no use.

Tier List= A list ranking the best characters.

Match Ups= What your character can do against said character to win.

Example: To give you the highest possibility to win against Gief you wanna keep him out as much as possible. For Gief to have the highest possibility to win he wants to be as point blank range as much as possible, as soon as possible.

This is the most basic of match up knowledge you can get: what is your characters optimum position against your opponents character. This is not something made up by the community, if you want the highest possibility to win against Gief you want to keep him out. If you wanna win with Gief you gotta get in.

I'm not saying match ups>skill I'm saying the match up knowledge directly applies to your skill as a player. Diago beat Arthuro because he knew the match very well and he knew what to do in every situation.

Skill is compromised of many things, execution, reaction time, composure, comfort level, spacing, footsies and most importantly match up knowledge.

What your saying is match ups dont matter because its all about the opponents skill. What I'm saying is match ups are a part of your skill as a player because you need to know what to do against characters i.e. match ups.

Sako won not only because he is a very skilled player but also because he had matches that favor Cammy. This is because Cammys options put Cammy at a her optimum position more then the opponents options do.

Example: It is harder for Dhalsim to keep Cammy out and at his optimum position (which is around s.Fierce range) because of Cammys DK which alter her trajectory and make her harder to zone. This is not made up this is a fact.

Hitstick you gotta separate a Tier List from match ups and match up knowledge.

#50
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 3:41 p.m.

@49: You are a simple minded fanboy..Daigo has to be the best in Japan to be the best in the world and Daigo is not.

@Tru1yodd: You don't get it..CAPCOM says skill > tier list/matchups which aren't official at all [not from capcom]. So no, players is all that matters.

#51
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 3:50 p.m.

@50

I think your wasting your time. Hitstick obviously knows nothing about this game. Anyone who would seriously claim match ups don't matter probably has never played Street Fighter before. Because no one could honestly be that stupid. It's just impossible.

Before you can even begin to play street fighter at a high level you must know every match up. What characters you're allowed to jump on, what characters you can easily zone, what characters have bad wake up Etc. Knowing to never jump at a ken, or never throw a fireball at a Chun Li with meter, or that you can't cross up honda, all comes down to match up knowledge.

#52
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 4:55 p.m.

I hate it when people hide behind the tier listings. Lamest excuse ever. If your good you'll win no matter what.

#53
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 4:59 p.m.

@53

Who has even mentioned the tier list yet? What are you reading??

#54
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 5:13 p.m.

@54

Everyone commenting on this article is talking about tier lists in some form or another. What aren't you reading??

They even talk about the tier list at the begining of the article. You can click on the phrase "current tier listings" and it will take you to the July 2010 tier listing for SSF4.

#55
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 5:19 p.m.

@55

We're discussing match ups, the opening article is discussing match ups, The link sends you to a MATCH UP CHART. Please try to pay attention. No one saying anyone lost because they're higher or lower on the tier list. They're saying he lost because it was a bad match up. That is not an opinion that is a FACT. Dhalsim is a zoning character but he cannot zone cammy. Therefore the match is not ideal for Dhalsim.

#56
Microboy90 said on July 31, 2010 at 5:21 p.m.

No Utub version!!! bout this final!!!

#57
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 5:35 p.m.

@56

Tier list, Match up chart..its all the same difference. What I meant by my comment was that despite being at a disadvantage u can still win the match up...u just have to know what to do and what not to do.

#58
Majin_Acolyte said on July 31, 2010 at 6:16 p.m.

@58

Oh it's that easy to overcome a bad match up? You "just have to know what to do and when to do it" Thanks man. I'm going to spread the word. This changes everything.

#59
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 7:42 p.m.

ooohh sarcasm...you really hurt my feelings. Whats your deal anyway man?? I make a comment and u have to talk mess and act like you everything...I never said anything at all about it being easy...I was basically saying that good players can over come these issues...point in case in Daigo Beating arturo in the salty suite by one match and also daigo losing to yhc mochi by one match. Arturo and YHC Mochi play the exact same game (zone) and daigo found a way around it...he just made more mistakes in the YHC Mochi match up.

#60
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 7:44 p.m.

yeah nad that last comment was for Mr. Majin the know it all

#61
Charlie said on July 31, 2010 at 7:51 p.m.

Bottom line is that truly great players should be able to win bad match ups. SSF4 is very balanced even low tiers can be a threat

#62
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 7:51 p.m.

(and) not (nad)

#63
Hitstick said on July 31, 2010 at 7:57 p.m.

@52: Don't get it twisted knowledge of other characters has ALWAYS been a must in SF...What you lame dudes are saying is so and so characters has an advantage over this character is the lamest excuse and unofficial garbage I have ever read.

#64
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 9 p.m.

@64

I completely agree with you.....that's actually what I have been tryin to say this whole time to majin...of u r a good player tiers and match ups and what not don't matter.

#65
bananainsaneface said on July 31, 2010 at 10:39 p.m.

If that's the case then Justin Wong shouldn't have lost to Vangief. But he did because Zangief rapes Rufus. Vangief is NOT a better player than Justin Wong.

#66
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 11:11 p.m.

Vangief is not a better player than jwong yes....but his tactic is damn near unbeatable....vangief has beatin a lot of top players...when he gets in hes unstopable and his poke counters are godlike to say the least...Vangief is just a really good player and he rarely makes mistakes thats why he was able to beat jwongs rufus

#67
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 11:11 p.m.

last comment @67

#68
MOA1385 said on July 31, 2010 at 11:12 p.m.

typo... @66

#69
McBison said on August 1, 2010 at 12:03 a.m.

I feel character match ups matter to some degree. Thats the reason why people counter pick(sometimes they win because of it sometimes they dont). But the most important factor is player skill.
I was rooting for Sako:). Im so happy that a shoto, Rufus, and or Daigo didnt make it to the finals XD....Im so biased...oh well
Congrats!

#70
Supersf4 said on August 1, 2010 at 3:15 a.m.

@ Microboy90
there is a japanese youtube version up also has interview with sako.
type keyword Godsgarden and you'll see old replays enter some of the channels you should find it.

#71
bananainsaneface said on August 1, 2010 at 4:40 a.m.

Again using Zangief was the only reason Vangief beat Justin Wong. Match ups do matter. Anyway anyone know what was the prize Sako got for winning this?

#72
Put_Elena_in_SF said on August 1, 2010 at 5:16 a.m.

Hmm. interesting set

#73
umad said on August 1, 2010 at 9:48 a.m.

@65

hey who's the number 1 bp in SFIV? no, i'm not talkiung about online bp, japan arcade bp. sagat had more than all the cast combine. coincidence? i don't think so. character choice matter whether or not you think it does. sako did have an easier match-up.

#74
Hitstick said on August 1, 2010 at 10:42 a.m.

@74:No you couldn't be more wrong. Go look at how the best of the sagats lost to characters they had advantages over. This is obvious.

#75
geodude said on August 1, 2010 at 11:41 a.m.

top players win, top players lose. nothing is ever set in stone, it basically comes down to who was the better player that day (execution and matchup knowledge).

#76
spotlesseden said on August 1, 2010 at 1:03 p.m.

sometimes better players just lose. it's no big deal. i don't know why people make a big deal of Justin Wong losing. or Daigo losing.

Justin Wong lost to vangief and didn't make it to top 8 at evo. things happen, he can't win every match. Justin Wong still the best SSF4 player in US, it doesn't matter hater say.

Daigo can't win every match. on his SF4 arcade card, it only has around 79-80% win rate. But alot of pro(US and Japan) players still consider he is one of the best SF4/SSF4 player.

#77
bananainsaneface said on August 1, 2010 at 4:02 p.m.

Yo Hitstick if match ups don't matter explain how Justin Wong (the best player in the US hands down) lost to a nobody Zangief player.

#78
Sharpie84 said on August 1, 2010 at 4:55 p.m.

I wonder if the Japanese argue as much as we do about who is better in the US. No, probably not.

#79
umad said on August 1, 2010 at 6:17 p.m.

@75

uh no you're wrong. sagat wins more than he loses in SFIV. that's why over 50% of the top 50 bp players are sagat players. you gotta win a lot if you want a high bp. no sht you'll see vega beat sagat sometimes even in top play cause no one is 100%, but a sagat player usually will win more often.

#80
jjohan35 said on August 1, 2010 at 8:18 p.m.

Daigo's intention for this GodsGarden was to find the strongest player despite character matchups by forcing each player to stick to the same character throughout the tournament. Unfortunately this entire tournament has only proved the opposite, character matchups determined the victor. Sako had favorable matchups the entire tournament. Daigo had favorable matchups until he met Dhalsim. etc.

It would have been more interesting if this tournament had been round robin style, with each player forced to use the same character the entire tournament.

#81
Hitstick said on August 1, 2010 at 8:52 p.m.

@78: Justin Wong got outplayed by Vangief period then he got outplayed by Gamerbee, period. Justin wong being the best player in the US isn't true at all as you all saw at EVO so quit the daydreaming please.

@80: Uh no, the Sagat players didn't win world titles...So stop it.

Players skill > the community's nonsense.

#82
bananainsaneface said on August 1, 2010 at 11:12 p.m.

Nah he didn't get outplayed. Zangief has the advantage over Rufus. Justin Wong is still the better player. There's no way Vangief is a better player than Justin Wong. Period.

#83
bananainsaneface said on August 2, 2010 at 12:01 a.m.

And Jwong didn't get outplayed by Gamerbee. He just didn't know the match up. He even admitted himself that he didn't practice SSF4. Had he practiced against Adon Gamerbee would have been destroyed.

#84
DRain said on August 2, 2010 at 12:35 a.m.

...You do realize that Gamerbee has taken sets off several top Japanese pros before, right?(even after they've had plenty of practice against him) Justin Wong never accomplished those feats. Just because Justin Wong made an excuse, doesn't mean he would have won easily if he did know the matchup.

#85
MOA1385 said on August 2, 2010 at 5:28 a.m.

@84

First off banana vangief is not a nobody...he may be new to the scene but he has beatin a lot of top players and earned the name vangief....the first tournament he was in he beat filipino champ, ricky ortiz, hyro, etc. all those people are regarded as top tier players...and before you say anything about ricky ortiz being a rufus player ricky ortiz aint no joke player he placed 2nd at evo if I remember right...but in the case of hyro(blanka) and fchamp(dhalsim) zangief is 4 against them in the tiers....and in the case for jwong not practicing ssf4 thats a lie...jwong got to demo the game before everyone and he even did a tutorial with adon and called him a mediocre character...not so mediocre now I guess...lol...stop being a fanboy and just admit that jwong got out played by both of these players

#86
TheBeyonder007 said on August 2, 2010 at 6:13 a.m.

@ bananainsaneface: Vangief, a nobody Zangief player? HAH. Either you have a very funny sense of humor, or you have never watched a Street Fighter tournament in your life.

#87
jjohan35 said on August 2, 2010 at 9:37 a.m.

Since 'dickriding' is such a popular term on eventhubs, I can pretty much say that bananainsaneface is dickriding Jwong.

Jwong had no exposure to SSF4? I thought the World Cup in which he won in Europe was using SSF4, not vanilla... please correct me if I'm wrong.

#88
Hitstick said on August 2, 2010 at 11:52 a.m.

Lol, it was proven that Jwong wasn't the best in the US. Ricky Ortiz is currently better than JWong. He did better using the SAME character that Jwong failed with...Rufus.

And Gamerbee IS better than Jwong..Gamerbee has been battling Daigo, Mago in boatloads of matches and has taken alot of wins from both of them. Gamerbee destroyed Jwong he couldn't even adapt to a simple rushdown character in Adon..A character that Jwong thought he knew so well because he stated Adon is lame.

Stop the fanboyism.

#89
Tru1yOdd said on August 2, 2010 at 12:41 p.m.

Reason Justin lost was because he was way to cocky going into EVO.

He lost to Vangief because he was cocky going into the match. Rufus vs Gief is a bad match for Rufus but Justin didnt give Vangief much credit so he ended up losing. If you look at Ricki O. when he played Vangief he immediately counter picked with Chun.

He lost to Gamerbee because he dosent really practice and wrote off Adon early on in the game. If you see the match he did not get destroyed, didnt get blown up by Gamerbee, if anything it was a close match and Justin barely lost.

What yall need to get is that a tournament like EVO is very big on luck. Justin being cocky, not practicing and just not having good luck that day made him lose.

Justin losing was his own fault and probably lit a fire under his ass and everyone else. Hopefully the U.S. players will get that top tier mindset out of there heads and begin to actually play the game and not the tiers.

#90
shoryuKIDDER said on August 2, 2010 at 1:17 p.m.

its the fanboys and the haters and know-it-alls that make all of this random b.s. seem to matter. those who fell they understand it all soo much. got it all figured out. thing is these players you all argue about are out in front, and up on the main stage while you all with all your knowledge of the ins and outs of the game are watching...
so sure they got better things to do than go back and forth in these comment sections/forums about any of the nonsense a lot of the community does. things like idk... practicing,

#91
umad said on August 2, 2010 at 4:26 p.m.

@82

who has most bp's where characters are playing consistently every day. who has most tourney wins?

#92
RandomJohn said on August 2, 2010 at 5:43 p.m.

Always nice to see a zoning character get destroyed by rush downs. When I play a decent or good 'ism, I ALWAYS zone back the second I get the life lead just because I know they can't rush. I don't know why people in tourneys don't do that. Yea it'll end up be a boring match for the viewers but hey, a win it's a win, especially in tourneys. You have two chances to win the tourney. Why lose on a 'ism match up because you want to give a show? The goal is to win the whole thing, not give a exciting show for the viewers. You're not being paid to play. Who cares about the viewers.

#93
fabri25 said on August 3, 2010 at 1:03 p.m.

Sako is a beast but daigo is so much better i/ve seen videos of both playing and I can tell sako has alot of respect for daigo , best overall player is daigo , also sim-cammy is a bad match up , sim does not have wake up counter against cammy , ! im not daigo fanboy but I like him because he is around the world player... ( im a dhalsim player ) and it is difficult to play against good cammy players!

#94
bananainsaneface said on August 3, 2010 at 7:09 p.m.

@Hitstick

"Lol, it was proven that Jwong wasn't the best in the US. Ricky Ortiz is currently better than JWong. He did better using the SAME character that Jwong failed with...Rufus."

Ricky Ortiz didn't use Rufus against Vangief he used Chun Li who is more favorable against Zangief than Rufus is. Further proving my point that match ups do matter (Ricky had been using Rufus the entire tournament except for that one match against Zangief). BTW Justin Wong has beaten Ricky Ortiz in tournament several times. And how are you gonna call me a fanboy when your obviously one of Sako's?

#95
MOA1385 said on August 5, 2010 at 3:43 a.m.

@95

Hmmm....I still see that your Fanboyism won't allow you to accept that Jwong lost to Vangief, but what happened to your issue with Gamberbee beating Jwong? Oh yeah the tier match up between Adon and Rufus is 5-5 so I guess gamerbee is better than Jwong. Glad we got that issue ressolved. ^_^

#96


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