Update: The final results for all of the Super Street Fighter 4 action at the Electronic Sports World Cup have been posted on this story.Posted by CMAyhem on July 1, 2010 at 6:38 a.m. #1
man i tought no asians were in this tournament, things just got a little bit harder for J wong lol
Posted by Catalyst on July 1, 2010 at 6:45 a.m. #2
There's no live stream for this as far as I know, but Quake Live is getting streamed here: http://www.own3d.tv/live/74
Maybe they'll say something about SSF4 on there...
Posted by Inane on July 1, 2010 at 6:50 a.m. #3
Quakelive stream is over.
Mind you that the Quakelive stream is not being done at ESWC but overseas.
They can connect to the "LAN"-servers from anywhere so don't count on better coverage than you can find on the net.
But as far as first day results go:
Ryan Heart and LAUGH top Group A with 2 wins and 1 loss.
Yagami and Yamazaki are the 2 bottom players with 2 losses and 1 win.
The other games have either yet to be played or yet to be updated on their "live"-coverage page.
Posted by yes4me on July 1, 2010 at 7:34 a.m. #4
I think Luffy will beat Marn
Posted by EXC355UM on July 1, 2010 at 8:09 a.m. #5
Really looking forward to seeing how Infiltration does in Group B
Posted by Banzai on July 1, 2010 at 8:10 a.m. #6
@MyJohnsonIsGodlike
Word my friend!
Posted by shiryu22 on July 1, 2010 at 9:14 a.m. #7
Go Laugh!
Posted by yes4me on July 1, 2010 at 9:37 a.m. #8
#5 there are very few players. And when there are so much money in the line, I don't think some people got enough time to figure out other character well enough.
Posted by craziryu on July 1, 2010 at 9:50 a.m. #9
infiltration is gonna take zak to the cleaners.
Posted by WinstonChurchill on July 1, 2010 at 10:01 a.m. #10
Yes Hart!
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on July 1, 2010 at 10:09 a.m. #11
Ryan played sagat. Yamazaki apparently played Rose!
Posted by Nyoronoru on July 1, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. #12
WorstGiefEVER, source?
Posted by Archaik on July 1, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. #13
#3 No it's done by levelupyourgame.net, a british streaming site. It's true though that ESWC isn't streaming anything on there own, which kinda suck.
Posted by BlankaBeast on July 1, 2010 at 11:47 a.m. #14
I want to see marns dudley again
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on July 1, 2010 at 12:33 p.m. #15
Source is StarNab
Posted by Weltall on July 1, 2010 at 1:51 p.m. #16
Are there any more rounds today?
Posted by GOEMON on July 1, 2010 at 2:51 p.m. #17
GROUP 2 took place in the afternoon :
Winners : Zak ( boxer ) and Infiltration ( Gouki )
I was there, and will try to make videos tomorrow... for group 3 and 4
Posted by Endy on July 1, 2010 at 2:54 p.m. #18
I can guarantee that Yagami played Dhalsim and not Ken (he has always played Dhalsim, never Ken, dunno if those presumtions are from some other Yagami). Not that it matters much, but right should be right.
Posted by bananainsaneface on July 1, 2010 at 4:04 p.m. #19
Justin Wong gonna beat up all these bums.
Posted by Catalyst on July 1, 2010 at 5:47 p.m. #20
If any of you know who Brun0 and Handy used in their matches, please leave a comment here. I'll credit you in the news post as well.
Posted by GSwag on July 1, 2010 at 5:54 p.m. #21
i dont see jwong and marn anywhere, they didnt put them in the same bracket did they?
Posted by Catalyst on July 1, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. #22
Marn is in group 3 and will be playing next.
Justin Wong is in group 4, and that's the last group of the first round.
8 players advance to the second round.
Posted by NJCU on July 1, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. #23
Dont count Geom PPK out. He is GeoM Modinside protege and from what I hear hes even better than the Guile master.
Posted by ZGeer on July 1, 2010 at 6:48 p.m. #24
PKK is definitely not better that MoDInside. Definitely not.
Posted by rudiano on July 1, 2010 at 7:11 p.m. #25
I guess you guys havent heard of Infiltration? He as an amazing Akuma, I think he has the best Akuma outside Japan. Only Momochi & Tokido are better then him IMO
Posted by Prod on July 1, 2010 at 7:38 p.m. #26
Brun0 is a gouki player too.
i'm from brazil and during all the qualifiers to ESWC he was using gouki(only)
dont think he would change to the main tourny.
Posted by HukGuay on July 1, 2010 at 7:53 p.m. #27
dumb tourney if u ask me. not much of a world tournament if you ban japs from coming. What a bunch of racists.
Posted by NJCU on July 1, 2010 at 8:31 p.m. #28
PKK has been training very very hard. His been leveling up like a mofo. The videos online are about a month old. His Ibuki is pretty sick now. His sagat still less than ideal...
Posted by Cauptain on July 1, 2010 at 9:15 p.m. #29
For most users, beat Daigo represents the Title? "The Best player in the world".
It seems that Daigo Umehara is the nightmare of every 10 in 10 americans players.
Wait for the results before leaving talking nonsense as "JWONG RUFUS 2U will destroy Daigo" or Daigo says:
" OMG Jegue "loser" Wong use the his best weapon, the ULTRA 2 RUFFUS, I will lose after this...Ohhhhh".
stupid idea.
Until it looks like Daigo plays for mistakes of other...He has this advantage, he plays to hit ever, very different from Jwong, which expects a mistake to try his luck.
Never Jwong will be better than Daigo "GOD" Umehara, never.
Posted by Mourne on July 1, 2010 at 9:57 p.m. #30
Cauptain: Another thing that's unlikely is your posts ever being comprehensible. The passion is noted, though.
HukGuay: There you are with your usual nonsense. No one banned "the Japs" (which in itself is a derogatory term, so I wonder who the real racist is). Apparently, the Japanese players demanded for ESWC to pay for their flights and other travel fees according to fellow Japanese player Gamanoabura. Once the Japanese did so, their invitations were revoked, as they rightfully should have been.
(Source: http://www.myeg.net/article/article_d...)
As for them being 'racist', I suppose that's why they let the Korean players in still--Korean players, who may I note, apparently didn't ask for special treatment (treatment that Marn & Justin, who would have to pay 30% more for their flights--I looked it up) did not ask for from the organization.
Posted by Marn on July 1, 2010 at 10:05 p.m. #31
Live Updates.
http://www.myeg.net/blogs/user_blog.p...
My blog about the event so far. I play in about 2-3 hours. But it's been a horrible event.
From my sources, Japan wasn't banned. They didn't book their flights by the deadline (11th) and tried to get tickets afterwards which altered the rules but I mean ESWC is altering rules left and right so I don't understand why they didn't let them rock.
Handy used Guy btw.
Posted by Mourne on July 1, 2010 at 10:11 p.m. #32
Good luck out there, Marn; those of us with sense are expecting to see you in the next round.
Posted by Weltall on July 1, 2010 at 10:49 p.m. #33
Marn, are there any more results? Please, beast the s**t out of any EURO you play...
Posted by loasdblopp on July 1, 2010 at 10:53 p.m. #34
Personally i don't like the character switch in tourneys, but this situation is ridiculous. Such kind of things should be in rules, and you can't change the rules on the run, especially when it's a big event like eswc.
Posted by Axefresh on July 1, 2010 at 11:03 p.m. #35
Marn putting eswc on blast
Posted by wongba on July 1, 2010 at 11:15 p.m. #36
those live updates don't seem very live to me. they still haven't updated group 2 results. live my ass.
Posted by Jej on July 1, 2010 at 11:46 p.m. #37
@WorstGiefEVER
wow, since when Yamazaki is playing Rose ?
I thought his main was Ryu
(maybe he lose to many times against Luffy and understand the potential of the character ^^)
Posted by Catalyst on July 2, 2010 at 3:11 a.m. #38
Waiting for confirmation, but it sounds like Marn (Rufus most likely, but could have went with C. Viper) finished 1st in the group 3 pool and Luffy (Rose) got 2nd.
Posted by Mourne on July 2, 2010 at 3:27 a.m. #39
Indeed he did. Marn had to remind them that the US players aren't to be forgotten; seems he beat Luffy 2-1 in what was likely a great match.
Congrats to him, and let's hope JWong does well today too.
Posted by Catalyst on July 2, 2010 at 4:11 a.m. #40
Anyone know the characters Chunkis, Fox and GeoM PKK were using? It looks like PKK plays Ibuki and Chunkis mostly plays Sagat, although he dabbles in Guy too.
Posted by Mourne on July 2, 2010 at 4:24 a.m. #41
GeoM apparently used Guile, and Marn did go through with his word on using Rufus.
Posted by kanped on July 2, 2010 at 4:34 a.m. #42
Catalyst, I was at a tournament with Chunkis last week and he seemed to be mostly playing 'Gief and Ryu. I think he plays a lot of different characters.
Posted by irrenmann on July 2, 2010 at 4:59 a.m. #43
#32: "Wait for the results before leaving talking nonsense as 'JWONG RUFUS 2U will destroy Daigo'"
Since you aren't waiting for the results to post your fantasies about who will win matches, why should anyone else?
Posted by Cauptain on July 2, 2010 at 6:26 a.m. #44
Mourne: And easier dream, Jwong can beat Daigo. But everybody knows that jwong is "bonus round" to Daigo.
It would be nice to see equal playing Jwong with Daigo, but this will never happen.(Yes Mourne, I post with passion but post facts only, no fantasies).
irrenmann:You came championships, then you should have seen that Daigo is much, very much better than in SFIV. As Jwong must have improved. The problem is that whenever we have USA/JAP, Jwong lose and that is FACT.
Easier knowing that the chances from Daigo Winner EVO are larger than Jwong.
So who fantasied here, are those who believe that ULTRA will change the logic. That is pathetic.
Posted by valken on July 2, 2010 at 6:27 a.m. #45
Group 4
1st: J. wong (Rufus)
2nd: Lord DVD (Honda)
Posted by valken on July 2, 2010 at 6:44 a.m. #46
i think the final will be Marn VS Wong
3rd and 4th between Lord DVD, Luffy and prodigal son
Posted by Mourne on July 2, 2010 at 7:31 a.m. #47
Seems JWong is (unsurprisingly) undefeated there.
Posted by L45R on July 2, 2010 at 7:37 a.m. #48
If anyone knows please introduce them..
Who are all these players?
LordDVD
Chasin
BlackieEX
Chunkis
PKK
FOX
Are these considered top players in their respective country??
And no Japanese invited?
Posted by Hayate1984 on July 2, 2010 at 7:48 a.m. #49
WHERE CAN I SEE OFFLINE STREAMS OF THE FINISHED AND UPCOMING MATCHES??? sorry for the caps, just wanted to be noticed ;-)
Posted by Sakulagi on July 2, 2010 at 8:24 a.m. #50
#53 Most players in this tournament had to win qualifying events in their countries. France had 3 qualifying spots where LordDVD finished first, Luffy second and Yamazaki third.
USA, Japan, Korea and UK didn't have any ESWC qualifiers this year so they invited top players from thoses countries. The invited players needed to pay for the trip themselves, so the japanese players declined the invite.
Posted by jdg_senpai on July 2, 2010 at 8:33 a.m. #51
who is not BlackieEX or Chasin, chunkis But he is a player for a long time ago Irish, participated in the absolution 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXqkVd...), although already eliminated from the tournament, lorddvd I think it's a French player, who has been playing in European tournaments like the WGC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoLlsA...) and GeonPKK, is the representative of my country Colombia, and left the tournament unfortunately losing to Marn, and left the results of group 4
Results Group 4
FR LordDvd 0-2 EG.Jwong U.S.
PL blackieEX 2-0 Chasin NL
U.S. EG.Jwong 2-0 blackieEX PL
FR LordDvd 2-0 Chasin NL
FR LordDvd 2-0 blackieEX PL
Chasin NL 0-2 EG.Jwong U.S.
I apologize for my bad English (google traslate).
Posted by valken on July 2, 2010 at 9:17 a.m. #52
Lord DVD is the best french player
Posted by Jarkyttaa on July 2, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. #53
It looks like Lord DVD and JWong took 2nd and 1st respectively in group 4. No big surprises here.
Posted by Weltall on July 2, 2010 at 9:58 a.m. #54
This is too easy for the USA!
Posted by BoX_28 on July 2, 2010 at 10:06 a.m. #55
Both USA player...both Rufus...both good as hell.....big change they gonna meet each other in the final.....
Posted by Existent on July 2, 2010 at 10:20 a.m. #56
I can't believe anyone used Guy. He's my favorite character but damn, I can't use him.
Posted by TheParryIsPro on July 2, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #57
No offense @existent but nobody uses guy for a reason. But nice to see the koreans both claim 1st in their respective groups. Good to see koreans play something else and dominate at besides starcraft and tekken.
Posted by jdg_senpai on July 2, 2010 at 10:28 a.m. #58
for me the final will be luffy vs justin wong and justin win 2-1.
interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaRt6b...
also remember to Ryan Hart (prodigal son). [*_*]
Posted by Di on July 2, 2010 at 11:25 a.m. #59
BlackieEX is considered the best Polish SSFIV player.
Unfortunately, because of the main sponsor's failure, our whole team (I'm referring to other games' representatives) had a 24h+ trip instead of a three-hour one...
Posted by Sethtic on July 2, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. #60
Hopefully Infiltration wins, he's Akuma is amazing. ^_^
Posted by Fishsauce on July 2, 2010 at 2:39 p.m. #61
Any videos up!?
Posted by BlankaBeast on July 2, 2010 at 2:57 p.m. #62
I dont know about Marn going with rufus, yea he is good but everyone is prepping for wong's rufus so marn better have a very different play style rufus since they are prepared 4 it. I really liked his Dudley at Devastation.
Posted by IrPanda on July 2, 2010 at 3:06 p.m. #63
@Existent
Decent gouken...almost as good as mine :P lol
Posted by BlankaBeast on July 2, 2010 at 3:11 p.m. #64
$8,000 for 1st, $4,000 for 2nd and $2,000 for 3rd - this is the real deal! With NO JP players?! Huge opportunity.
Posted by FarkAydeGhil420 on July 2, 2010 at 3:15 p.m. #65
@#55,
I call BS on that. Daigo is signed on matcatz, so any travel expenses madcatz would have paid for. ESWC disinvited Daigo and the rest of the japanese players for who knows what reason.
Posted by Brosephski on July 2, 2010 at 3:16 p.m. #66
Eventhubs, some really huge EVO news just dropped, and you guys still haven't posted it?
http://www.capcom-unity.com/s-kill/bl...
Posted by Existent on July 2, 2010 at 3:40 p.m. #67
@62 I don't think you understood my comment. I said "I can't believe anyone used Guy." That's kind of self-explanatory.
Posted by IrPanda on July 2, 2010 at 3:44 p.m. #68
lol oh thought u were the same one from online my bad.....
Posted by IrPanda on July 2, 2010 at 3:48 p.m. #69
oh u maybe u r im not 62 :S
Posted by Existent on July 2, 2010 at 3:50 p.m. #70
I'm not starting an off topic conversation here but just to clear it up. @Panda. Yes I'm the same guy from yesterday, but I had no idea you were here and my first reply was to someone else. Back on topic: We'll see how much Guy is used a year from now, until then no one can say how successful anyone will be. The game is too green to say anything definitively.
Posted by MALDA on July 2, 2010 at 4:01 p.m. #71
Hell yeah this is like the world cup but for fighting games thats cool
Posted by jjohan35 on July 2, 2010 at 5:49 p.m. #72
See how retarded this tournament is? There is a bunch of people tied for 2nd place in each round. This format works in World Cup due to wins along with goals and goal differences.
I told you the American pig will win this (talking about Rufus).
Posted by Morm on July 2, 2010 at 5:50 p.m. #73
Lol, Marn is well... just being Marn. But he does make a valid point with the rule changing : even if counterpicking is an american specificity, they should have been clear about that (on a side not, that's not the first time our dear hero have troubles with that rule, remember the day before SBO ^^). With the lack of communication considering the cancellation of the japanese qualifier (apparently for financial reasons), this makes this event look not-so-professional.
But despite Marn's gratuitous accusations, I'd like to point out the fact that ESWC, who's been organising professional events for Starcraft2, Counterstrike and such for years, is a complete stranger to the fighting game community and this is their very first SSF4 tournament, so false notes like that were bound to happen. I will not recall recent events which proved that the fighting game community and the world of pro gaming do not merge easily...
Posted by Sakulagi on July 2, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. #74
#70 Marn said that the japanese players that got invited wanted the ESWC to pay for their trip.
Of course Madcatz would pay for Daigo, but maybe they were to late? The deadline was 11 of june.
Posted by GenoZStriker on July 2, 2010 at 6:03 p.m. #75
^ That's exactly what it was. ESWC was never going to pay their trip and players had to confirm before 11 of june that they had someone paying their trip. Ofcourse they were going to remove them from the list of invite.
Posted by jjohan35 on July 2, 2010 at 6:10 p.m. #76
Wait nevermind. That said 'eliminated'. I'm glad it worked out then!
Posted by Morm on July 2, 2010 at 6:18 p.m. #77
@ Sakulagi (79)
There should have been qualifiers, but the organisers cancelled everything out of the blue, so the japanese players had to come by their own means.
Posted by jjohan35 on July 2, 2010 at 6:25 p.m. #78
Based on this tournament, they're calculating based on win differences as well. That's the only reason why Laugh got first place over Prodigal Son since they both only won against two players, but Laugh won 5 total games while Prodigal Son won 4 total games.
Strange how group 3 had excess players. I guess there were more than 16 people competing in this tournament?
Posted by Slasher on July 2, 2010 at 7:11 p.m. #79
Just to let you guys know, the second group stage is going to be drawn in the morning, and then the entire rest of the tournament will be played tomorrow (Saturday). The two final group stages will include two winners of each of the groups (Justin, Marn, Laugh, Infiltration) and two of the second place finishers (Ryan Hart, Zak, Luffy, LordDvd). The top two players of each of the second group stage will go on to form a four-man single elimination bracket, with the top seeds of each group playing the second seeds of the opposing group. Everything including the finals will be played tomorrow. Unfortunately, no stream :(
As a side note, I will be waking up at 4:00 AM tomorrow morning to broadcast the entire Quake Live tournament with djWHEAT and Jay "2GD" Harding. Here's the schedule if you might want to watch it:
Group Stage 2 - Group A (casting by 2GD and proZaC)
3:30 AM EST: R1 - av3k vs strenx (TV1 HQ+LQ) // rapha vs stermy
4:15 AM EST: R2 - rapha vs strenx (TV1 HQ +LQ) // stermy vs av3k (livestream)
5:00 AM EST: R3 - rapha vs av3k (TV1 HQ+LQ) // strenx vs stermy (livestream)
Group Stage 2 - Group B (casting by Slasher and djWHEAT)
3:30 AM EST: R1 - cypher vs noctis (TV2 HQ+LQ) // dahang vs cooller (livestream)
4:15 AM EST: R2 - cypher vs dahang (TV2 HQ+LQ) // cooller vs noctis
5:00 AM EST: R3 - cypher vs cooller (TV2 HQ+LQ) // noctis vs dahang
Stream links:
TV1 HQ (2GD+proZaC): http://www.own3d.tv/live/74
TV1 LQ (2GD+proZaC): http://www.own3d.tv/live/75
TV2 HQ (djWHEAT+Slasher): http://www.own3d.tv/live/131
TV2 LQ (djWHEAT+Slasher): http://www.own3d.tv/live/132
Livestream (no cast): http://www.livestream.com/lvlup
Posted by kanped on July 2, 2010 at 8:06 p.m. #80
@53, Chunkis is one of the top players in fighting games generally in Ireland. He was considered the best in Ireland and the UK in Alpha 3 but as far as SF4 is concerned, while very good he isn't considered the best and generally doesn't win local tournaments (although, again, he usually places well). The best Irish players IMO are Newtype, Simon Lau (aka 'The Truth'), Blag, Fake Roogle and Cobelcog (all from the North, though and Chunkis is from the South. I don't really know many of the Southern players). Cobelcog and Newtype are in close competition for the best; Blag's been around for a long time but generally loses to those two, Roogle's very new to the scene and Simon Lau plays Tekken more than SF.
Posted by LAMERBOI on July 2, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. #81
I iz sad no SSF4 Livestream =((
Posted by Flawless on July 2, 2010 at 10:33 p.m. #82
@86
Why the whole world knows JWong is goning to win this if Poonko could'ent beat Justin Laugh has noo chance.
Posted by Axefresh on July 2, 2010 at 11:01 p.m. #83
Quake Live plugins on a street fighter site's comment section. Now I've seen everything.
Posted by wongba on July 2, 2010 at 11:29 p.m. #84
thx for the update slasher. it's not easy getting timely info from the eswc site. it appears they srsly need to level up their game when u compare how they run things vs how things are run in the states.
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on July 3, 2010 at 12:18 a.m. #85
Luffy (RO)
Marn (RU)
Jwong (RU)
LordDvd (HO)
Ryan Hart (SA)
Infiltration (GO)
Zak Bennet (GO)
Laugh (RY)
Posted by hustlecrowe on July 3, 2010 at 12:29 a.m. #86
@70
"so any travel expenses madcatz would have paid for."
100% false.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 2:25 a.m. #87
@70
They didn't even disinvite them. It's because the Japanese players demanded the ESWC--while being full aware of the RSVP deadline of June 11th--pay for their travel expenses. No one else from any other country did this, so why the Japanese expected they would receive special treatment while others had to find their own way is the real mystery. The deadline passed and the Japanese had not booked their tickets, thus they were replaced. Next year, maybe they'll try to save up some yen.
Posted by RedCyclone on July 3, 2010 at 3:07 a.m. #88
According to the EG live updates Luffy, Infiltration, Marn and Justin Wong have made final four.
Posted by Di on July 3, 2010 at 3:14 a.m. #89
Group A:
2x France
2x S. Korea
Group B:
2x UK
2x USA
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 3:29 a.m. #90
Group Stage 2, Group 2 Results for anyone browsing:
Justin Wong (USA) defeats Ryan "prodigal son" Hart (UK) 2-0
Marn (USA) defeats Zak (UK) 2-1
Zak defeats Ryan "prodigal son" Hart (UK) 2-1
Justin Wong (USA) defeats Marn (USA) 2-1
Marn (USA) defeats Ryan Hart (UK) 2-0
Justin Wong (USA) defeats Zak (UK) 2-1
Marn and Justin Wong (USA) advance to semi-finals. Ryan Hart and Zak (UK) eliminated.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 3:40 a.m. #91
And a slight update: Justin is still undefeated, and Infiltration may be as well.
Also appears the semi-finals will be Justin Wong vs. Luffy and Marn vs. Infiltration.
Posted by Slasher on July 3, 2010 at 4:03 a.m. #92
UPDATE on SSF4:
Justin Wong, Marn, Infiltration (Korea) and Luffy (France) advance.
Semifinals will be:
Justin Wong (Rufus, USA) vs Luffy (Rose, France)
Marn (C.Viper/Dudley, USA) vs Infiltration (Akuma, Korea)
Posted by FarkAydeGhil420 on July 3, 2010 at 4:13 a.m. #93
@#92.
1000% dumb nuts
Wanna show some proof or logic?
Daigo is signed with madcatz so logically, madcatz would have paid for the trip. But I could see not RSVP in time as a reason to get disinvited.
Posted by Axefresh on July 3, 2010 at 4:23 a.m. #94
Part of the reason the Japanese were expected to get free tickets because it was said that would be the case. They were invited in a separate manner than every other country. Had the possibility of free tickets not been offered in the first place, they would have payed their own way to go.
Posted by jjohan35 on July 3, 2010 at 4:23 a.m. #95
Daigo has a bunch of tournaments in Japan to attend right now.
I'm a bit disappointed at the format of the Final Round. How on earth can we ever confirm if the 3rd place winner truly isn't the 2nd place winner if he lost to the 1st place winner in the semifinals? For example, let's say Luffy lost to Jwong and Infiltration lost to Martin. And then Jwong beats Martin and wins 1st place. How do we know if Luffy shouldn't get 2nd place if he never played against Martin? In my opinion the final round should have been double elimination format.
Posted by hustlecrowe on July 3, 2010 at 4:25 a.m. #96
@98
what event has madcatz paid for Daigo to attend?
do you somehow have a copy of his contract that says what the sponsorship does or does not cover? please share.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 4:34 a.m. #97
@92: Ahhh, reputable users such as yourself are why the comments on this site have such a "great" reputation. Most of the time I see a blog or outside outlet link to an EventHubs article, they feel obligated to warn visitors that the comments are generally void of intelligence. That does seem to be the case much of the time; your contributions are appreciated, no doubt.
If you want proof, go read the article on the EG site where a fellow Japanese player mentions that the Japanese players had requested the special treatment. I quote: "To attend the event, we have requested for the travel fees, as well as the plane tickets in advance." In addition, on this very page, Marn mentions the Japanese players did not find their own means of transportation (despite being well aware of the deadline for such).
The EG article is here: http://www.myeg.net/article/article_d...
@100: While you bring up a good point, I should note that Marn already beat Luffy earlier in the tournament (Group Stage 1). Doesn't help matters any, but this is likely why they put Justin up against Luffy this time around since they haven't played each other yet.
Posted by Axefresh on July 3, 2010 at 4:35 a.m. #98
@100
Yeah, this event sounds more stupid as more time goes by. Oh well, free wins for the USA
Posted by Catalyst on July 3, 2010 at 4:35 a.m. #99
@jjohan35
In Round 1 Group 3, Marn beat Luffy 2-1.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 4:35 a.m. #100
(Correction, first was aimed @#98)
#101 is right, though. Far as we know, I've only once heard Markman mention anything even remotely close to sponsoring his travel--more likely, the extent of their contract is for Daigo to use their sticks at tournaments, as was the original agreement.
Posted by FarkAydeGhil420 on July 3, 2010 at 5:02 a.m. #101
If Daigo's sponsorship is just using madcatz sticks, then he must either be the dumbest person in the world or its simply not true. Sticks are about the cheapest thing compared to general transportation and lodging cost when you are traveling to tournaments. Just like marn and justin wong must now wear the Evil genius shirts to rep them cause Evil genius pays for tickets and hotels for tournaments (marn+wong gives exposure of EG and EG pays for them to do stuff its win, win for both people), Daigo must wear and use madcatz stuff now. But if Daigo's transportation cost and such ain't covered, wtf is daigo getting out of it. Daigo using madcatz sticks and wearing madcatz shirt only makes madcats look good while leaving Daigo to do more work by finding the money to go the tourney? It doesn't make sense
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 5:09 a.m. #102
Well, these types of sponsorship deals are not uncommon in other walks of entertainment, right? They give expensive goods and cars to celebrities so that they will be seen and photographed with them, thus giving them exposure. If Daigo is seen using the MadCatz sticks, fans of Daigo and those who are new to Street Fighter will associate Daigo's reputation with the quality of the product, thus increasing sales. (Not that they really need it; I've had nothing but positive experiences with the TE sticks so far)
As stated, we really don't know the specifics and I'm sure it isn't out of the question for MadCatz to send Daigo somewhere to win--I just don't think it's standard for them to pay for every single trip, unlike EG will for Justin and Marn most likely.
Nonetheless, this doesn't really matter simply because the Japanese players did not get their travel sorted out in time. People who think it was a conspiracy to keep the Japanese players out are just kidding themselves.
Posted by Sakulagi on July 3, 2010 at 5:11 a.m. #103
Didn't Madcats pay for Daigos trip to SSF4 Fight Club in LA, where Justin and Daigo played a show match that finihsed with a double K.O
Daigo signing with Madcats should give him free trips to tournaments and maybe even a monthly salary.
Posted by CrP on July 3, 2010 at 5:44 a.m. #104
Match Marn vs Luffy of Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFw5aQ...
Close match.
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 5:52 a.m. #105
Lets go Marn! :D
He's like the Luigi to Justin Wong's Mario...
...Plus he's hilarious.
It seems that Zak Bennet is now currently better than Ryan Hart - interesting...heck, he even took a round off of Wong (like Marn).
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 6:02 a.m. #106
Luffy is really an interesting player, love watching his matches. Unless he's made some adjustments, though, I don't see him doing nearly as well against Justin as he did against Marn.
About Ryan Hart--a lot of people have been saying for the past year, especially, that he could 'dominate' Justin since he beat Daigo. Well... apparently not.
Oh, and CrP: We'll love you even more should you have links to further matches.
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 6:08 a.m. #107
^
You see, Daigo was thrown off in that match - he thought it was first to 5 but it was a first to 3. If true, he was probably playing a more passive style - trying to work out Ryan Hart.
That's the thing about Daigo - against top players that he hasn't faced before, he needs a few rounds to be able to read them...
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 6:09 a.m. #108
or faced often*
Anyway, that's what it feels like when you look at some of his matches and results...
Posted by CrP on July 3, 2010 at 6:12 a.m. #109
@Mourne: Sorry but I am not at the event. I just share what I found.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 6:48 a.m. #110
Justin Wong (USA) defeats Luffy (France) 3-1.
Marn (USA) defeats Infiltration (Korea) 3-1.
Now Justin vs. Marn in the finals.
Posted by Tuurio on July 3, 2010 at 7:20 a.m. #111
Loser Final: Luffy 3 - Infiltration 1. Luffy gets 3rd place.
Posted by loasdblopp on July 3, 2010 at 7:48 a.m. #112
That's pretty sad.
Posted by irrenmann on July 3, 2010 at 7:50 a.m. #113
#48: "irrenmann:You came championships, then you should have seen that Daigo is much, very much better than in SFIV. As Jwong must have improved. The problem is that whenever we have USA/JAP, Jwong lose and that is FACT."
They tied at the launch event, so you are wrong, and that is FACT.
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 8 a.m. #114
@ 120
That launch event match was questionable on so many levels. Let's just leave that Daigo/Wong debate until EVO next week. Then we'll see all...I hope.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 8:02 a.m. #115
Why must there -always- be an excuse for Daigo losing? I mean, honestly--it's either he misunderstood how many rounds there were going to be, he wasn't ready for the match-up (his fault, simply put), the announcer was talking too loudly next to him, etc etc etc etc etc etc. It never ends.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 8:07 a.m. #116
Even Daigo has stated Justin is a standout player, so pretending that he isn't competition on the world stage with Japanese players is just ludicrous (and one reason that Daigo would facepalm indefinitely should he know exactly how his "supporters" act).
I only hope he never learns English and sees the kind of nonsense that comes out time after time.
To the excuses list, I'd like to add a few more: there was lag, he was in a bad seating arrangement, the announcers and streamers got it wrong and he was on the other (winner's) side of the screen, and my favorite... "That isn't Daigo!"
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 8:12 a.m. #117
^
He also used a sub-par Guile in that match as a favour to S-Kill (S-Kill said it himself during the commentary), that's one more reason.
Like I said, wait for a big, legit, tournament match in the form of EVO 2010. I'm not saying one is definitely better than the other at this point. Some excuses happen to be legit...
Posted by jwong_fan_club on July 3, 2010 at 8:17 a.m. #118
Face it, no doubt JWong is top in the US but he's just another player in Japan.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 8:27 a.m. #119
Finals have ended. Justin Wong wins 1st place and Marn takes 2nd; a good showing for the US.
Back to the excuses discussion: There's nothing "sub-par" about Guile in Super Street Fighter IV, and Daigo is not out of his element using him considering A) he's been using Guile as a secondary character for ages and B) Guile is a projectile character with almost identical options to Ryu as far as Daigo's primary tactics are concerned--yeah, he's right at home and that's why he uses him. Daigo made no excuses for the match because he is a real competitor; why do you lot feel so compelled to do it for him?
The excuses, they are absolutely endless. I think Daigo has the edge over JWong at SSF4 as of today, but that does not mean we have to make excuses every single time Daigo loses a match.
Posted by jwong_fan_club on July 3, 2010 at 8:31 a.m. #120
Mourne, are you making excuses for JWong losing with his main? Hypocrite much?
Posted by Catalyst on July 3, 2010 at 8:34 a.m. #121
Chill with any kind of racist remarks guys. I deleted a few comments, further racial remarks will earn you a permanent ban.
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 8:37 a.m. #122
I never once mentioned Justin losing a single match in that post, actually--much less one that I would be making excuses for. You are aware Daigo as Guile vs Justin as Rufus ended in a draw, right? If not, I guess that would explain your comment. If so and you still said that, well! You exemplify the natural contributor to this site's comments.
Daigo is my favorite SF player by a long shot, but I can be a realist unlike 99% of the fanboys here.
Another excuse to add to the growing list: Daigo wasn't able to complete his download in time. Oh noez!
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 8:42 a.m. #123
@ 126
1. I meant Daigo's use of Guile, not Guile as a character. This was evidenced in many ways that most Guile mainers picked up on (including myself). He only got away with his lack of SF4 Guile knowledge because of how amazing his basics and psychicness are.
2. Guile in SF4 has different options and relies a lot more on links than in previous games. Daigo consistently failed at said links throughout that match. He also chose the wrong AA numerous times (as well as kept trying to use the "wrong" flash kicks to AA). He also hasn't used Guile at all since his CvS2 days. Well at least by the point of that match.
3. Guile does NOT have almost identical options to Ryu. He has a similar zoning game - but even that is kinda different. Daigo doesn't really have primary tactics, he does everything. One minute he's zoning your ass from across the screen - the next minute he's comboing you to pieces in the corner.
In that match, Daigo also did questionable things, like not FADC'ing a cruicial flash kick to safety - and by randomly walking from full screen towards a EX-stocked Rufus whilst having a HUGE life lead instead of continuing the zoning game which was working well. Wong didn't seem himself in that match either.
Posted by AceKillah on July 3, 2010 at 8:43 a.m. #124
ive said it before and ill say it again f**k rufus
Posted by Mourne on July 3, 2010 at 8:57 a.m. #125
I also main Guile and it's true that Daigo was not 100% effective that day. Nonetheless, Daigo's use of Ryu and Daigo's use of Guile is still very close and his means of zoning is very, very, very similar between the two characters, as one would expect.
I really hope you aren't driving at the conspiracy theory that popped up on YouTube and elsewhere that says Daigo & Justin planned the whole thing to end in such an exciting way. (What is this, Tekken 6?)
That's all there is to this article, I suppose. Congrats to Justin, Marn, and Luffy for a job well done. Let's hope some more videos of the event surface to tide us over until EVO (I really hope that, if Daigo has any problems there, it's not against a console character, he's comfortably seated, the room is well air-conditioned, the announcer's table is as far away as possible, everyone is speaking in whispers, the contrast on the TV isn't too great, he's on the 1P side, no one's phone rings, and that it's proven with a DNA test before the match that it is, in fact, not a doppelganger).
Posted by IrPanda on July 3, 2010 at 8:57 a.m. #126
@130
How the hell do you know Daigo didnt used Guile since CvS2.
I hate when people just make assumptions.... You have no clue how much he actually used him, and neither do i.
Posted by SteadiestShark on July 3, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. #127
@ 132
I don't know about a draw - but something isn't right about those decisions. Remember, Daigo is a top pro player - he very well knew the risks of whatever the heck he was doing.
Daigo should be fine given that he has seemingly spent a lot of time with Super. This is why I'm really looking forward to EVO. All of the cards are on the table. No questionable occurences seem to be possible.
@ 133
I base it in terms of competitions. Sure he might have used him now and then in the background - but evidently not much/never elsewhere. Heck, his lack of knowledge and link ability with the character reinforces my assumptions.
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on July 3, 2010 at 9:09 a.m. #128
Congratulations to Justine, Marge & Fluffy!
Posted by craziryu on July 3, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. #129
luffy is lucky infiltration didnt kno the match up lol
Posted by Weltall on July 3, 2010 at noon #130
Stay free non-Prodigal Son
Posted by CapcomDoingThingsRight on July 3, 2010 at 12:19 p.m. #131
@#5 So what the game has 35 characters people are playing to win not for your pleasure. I've been doing tournament for 16 years and you new people have to understand that there will be so characters you will never see people play with.
You play to win the game not for ooooooo's and ahahahahahahahaha's or for you to say he picked hakan and won so what I play Sagat to win not for you to like me.
Posted by BWBoyToucher on July 3, 2010 at 12:47 p.m. #132
@139 yeah everyone in a tournament should basically either be dudley or blanka and spend the entire round throwing roses and coward crouching, anything else is just too... rude.
What a wonderful "tournament". It's like if Evo invited one person from each state and then didn't stream anything - ooooh, Wong versus the best player in South Dakota, I truly wonder which one of these fighters will prove the old axiom today????????????
Posted by RiXindaMiX on July 3, 2010 at 12:54 p.m. #133
never a fan of jwong and marn, they're both cocky as hell..
but you gotta respect their game.. they've been constantly getting 1st place at every tournament they've entered..
anything less than 1st at evo is a major disappointment
Posted by Banzai on July 3, 2010 at 1:02 p.m. #134
Marn is a fat a**hole. And that's not hating, that's a fact.
Posted by CapcomDoingThingsRight on July 3, 2010 at 1:10 p.m. #135
I love the Marn taunt
Posted by spotlesseden on July 3, 2010 at 1:23 p.m. #136
most people know this will happen anyway. J. Wong first, Marn second.
Posted by powderedtoastman on July 3, 2010 at 1:26 p.m. #137
taunt button is there for a reason... beating someone on there home turf, i dont see any reason NOT to taunt. Jwong being MIA from the past few recent tourneys still seem to be in top shape regardless
Posted by geodude on July 3, 2010 at 1:46 p.m. #138
gotta love the American swagger. its confidence not arrogance
Posted by xShonuffx on July 3, 2010 at 2:24 p.m. #139
Why so much hate for Jwong and Marn, sounds like jelousy to me.
Posted by PhinnyCupcakes on July 3, 2010 at 3:39 p.m. #140
America dominated. big whoop. We all saw it coming =/
Posted by TheMasterPlayer on July 3, 2010 at 5:18 p.m. #141
Congrats to Justin and Martin! And to Luffy of course, he should seriously consider buying an arcade stick to step up his gameplay and execution. Pad controller really has it's limitations control-wise imo.
Posted by NumeroGaijin on July 3, 2010 at 5:40 p.m. #142
@TheMasterPlayer
Luffy being on pad has absolutely nothing to do with his execution. It maybe like that to you but not us pad users. We are not as limited most of the community believes us to be. He just didn't bring it the best he should have brought it plan and simple. Pad or stick...it's ALL up to the player.
Posted by bamx on July 3, 2010 at 6:08 p.m. #143
@151
True, a stick probably won't help Luffy's game much at this point, but about the not as limited part... there's a reason that all the best players uses a stick. Not saying pad player sucks, there are a lot of great players on pads, but when it come to winning big tournament then its all about stick user.
Posted by FarkAydeGhil420 on July 3, 2010 at 7:11 p.m. #144
No reason for anyone other than Japan to come to evo, the rest of the world is so free.
Posted by jwong_fan_club on July 3, 2010 at 7:51 p.m. #145
Seeing as JWong and Marn won, are they still going to be asking around for "donations" for travel?
Posted by IrPanda on July 3, 2010 at 8:09 p.m. #146
lol, i dont see whats the big deal in asking for donations to go.... i mean they were invited to go... i mean if it was me and i could get they money through donation y not?
Posted by NumeroGaijin on July 3, 2010 at 8:13 p.m. #147
@bamx
That's not true about when it comes to winning big that it is all about the stick user. It is not all about the stick user...it's about the player plain and simple. You can only say that because the two top players use sticks and they win big....but what you and many many other fail to realize is that they use stick because it is what they feel comfortable with plus they are winning because of how good they truly are.....which is not determined by what you use in this case. It is determined by the skill of the person.
Posted by TheMasterPlayer on July 3, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. #148
@151. nope, i disagree with you there man. I'm a pad user myself and I also had a chance to try out an arcade sticj in a video game store a couple times with ssfiv and I speak from personal experience that Arcade Sticks really offer a superior game play experience than pad controllers (I use PS3 Pad if you're wondering). Execution-wise, the stick just offers better handling experience. This is especially true with shotos, charge and combo-friendly characters. Rose is ok on pad coz she doesn't rely as much with advanced link combos like Ryu, and her moves doesn't require strict timing to input like Sagat's or Adon's so she is a very pad-friendly character. However, when it comes to executing moves consistently like combos and links then PAD<STICK, plain and simple.
152 makes a good point too.
Posted by TheMasterPlayer on July 3, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. #149
@156 oh and yes, I do agree with you regrading about the skill of the player not being dependent on pad or stick. However, in terms of improving execution on moves, then sticks offer superior controls than pads. And it also offers a more "authentic" arcade fighting game experience imo. hence, a player may get more feel for the game. I'm strictly speaking for myself though.
Posted by Flawless on July 3, 2010 at 9:42 p.m. #150
What boring ass tourny o well next up EVO 2010 GET HYYYYYYPE
Posted by Higashi on July 3, 2010 at 11:51 p.m. #151
Hi I can explain what happen at ESWC for Daigo and Tokido who was supposed to come as I was in Charge of their flight. It s just that damn Tournament s organizer fault who didn t care at all and make too much mistake.
He said that it was all ok for paying Daigo and Tokido flight and he didn t book it until the last week, I said to him that if he wait too much the tickets will get more expensive and he said that he didn t care for some hundreds euros!
Then last week he suddenly cancelled their invitation, Tokido and Daigo who was waiting for one month were very nice too still waiting and the Daigo manager was fed up with that and I understand. I had telled at Cannes s World Games tournament that ESWC didn t had a good reputation and I was right.
Daigo was aware of that so he didn t care that much, but when you said that you had been invited then you don t book a flight right? And if the last week we said to you that it s cancelled even if you intended to come by yourself it s too late! And I was so upset for all of that, that I boycott the tournament too.
Cause it wasn t only that, I told them to put Super street fighter IV at the place of Vanilla and they update the homepage so lately!! I hope that no one were still training at Vanilla for it! And at Paris no one knows the rules!! Lol
If you want to crtiticize about ESWC I will just encourage you cause it s absolutely a non sense!
Posted by Marn on July 4, 2010 at 12:08 a.m. #152
Free.
Posted by WorstGiefEVER on July 4, 2010 at 12:59 a.m. #153
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFw5aQ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS2-3E...
Doesn't look very free to me.
Posted by Mourne on July 4, 2010 at 1:36 a.m. #154
WorstGiefEVER: Probably why you weren't invited to the tournament. Maybe next year!
Posted by Dawgtanian on July 4, 2010 at 4:57 a.m. #155
Zak outplayed Justin those games. If his ultra didn't whiff at the end he would have defeated Justin 2-1.
Posted by Tofa on July 4, 2010 at 6:53 a.m. #156
WorstGeif: such close matches. Cheers for the links.
Posted by klopslol on July 4, 2010 at 7:45 a.m. #157
MyJohnson: when you run tournament terribly, people are gonna be dicks about it.
Free.
Posted by CowboyBebopCrew on July 4, 2010 at 9:21 a.m. #158
Thanks WorstGiefEVER for the videos! Much appreciated! :-)
-JB
Posted by powderedtoastman on July 4, 2010 at 10:06 a.m. #159
fat slobs or not, they are getting the job done
Posted by Flawless on July 4, 2010 at 10:12 a.m. #160
@169
since euro and south korea suck at Street Fighter the haters want to take it personal LOL o man I can't wait for Justin to beat Daigo its going to be great.
Posted by IrPanda on July 4, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. #161
the chances of the being fat arent bad sicne most americans are o.O.......
Nice playing marn and justin keep it up..
Posted by Dawgtanian on July 4, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. #162
If Zak's ultra didnt whiff Justin woulda been beaten, simple as that.
Posted by powderedtoastman on July 4, 2010 at 10:44 a.m. #163
too bad Zak messed it up, sure enough alot of people use that excuse if such n such didnt whiff you wouldnt have won... looked like wong knew he was in a bad spot so he tried to lame it out in the corner knowing rog juggle ultra dont work to well in that situation in the case he does mess up.
Posted by IrPanda on July 4, 2010 at 11:05 a.m. #164
even if it did hit, he would of lived and probably chipped him out.
Posted by craziryu on July 4, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. #165
lol at whocares...how he bad player if he won the whole thing...let me put this way...the 3rd place player luffy DESTROYED tokido so bad but loses to infiltration in pool play n loses to marn in the bracket stage. these guy are good players n it just crazy how much hate there is for them. are they that big of duoch bags? i remeber seein the french players hoping up and down like girls after they beat japanese players and ppl dont go and say disrespectful things to them, but when an american they might as well slapped your mother smh.....
Posted by craziryu on July 4, 2010 at 1:13 p.m. #166
hopping*
Posted by loasdblopp on July 4, 2010 at 1:47 p.m. #167
Oh wow, so much hate in here.
Judging from the vids, there were pretty friendly atmosphere at eswc - players watching the games, talking about something, Marn was always with some cute girl:)...and matches that i saw were really close, so i don't think that it was so free for J&M. Anyway, Congratulations to Justin, Marn and Luffy, hope to see you guys at evo Top8.
Posted by AmanoJacu on July 4, 2010 at 2:07 p.m. #168
Why is Ryan Heart playing with Ryu against Jwong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfswD...
Wasn't there a lot of drama about character-lock, that he had to stick to Sagat?
Posted by Flawless on July 4, 2010 at 3:14 p.m. #169
@176
How is Justin free in Japan when last year he beat Iyo who just won Japan National Tounament and who was considerd the best in Japan at the time. Justin just doesn't dominate America he dominates the world outside of Japan he just won ESWC pretty FREEE. The reason he's going to beat Daigo this year at EVO cuzz for the first time his character is better then Daigos characters and I'm going to laugh at all the JWong haterz when he does.
Posted by Weltall on July 4, 2010 at 4:48 p.m. #170
LOL should the UK even bother coming to EVO at this point? Stay free UK.
Posted by Coalescence on July 5, 2010 at 6:02 a.m. #171
@53
Almost nobody in the dutch fighting game community/tourney scene has ever seen Chasin play SSFIV.
He appears to be a top Counterstrike player and the manager of LowLandsLions (LLL). I guess this is just some kind of buddy politics, a damn shame if that would be true.
I don't know how good he actually is but I can't imagine him being better than most of the Dutch tourney fighters. It's really a shame, I guess we can't compete with the Japanese/American/British/French/Korean scene but it would have been nice to have an actual SSFIV tournament player compete as our only Dutch guy, instead of some random CS pro.
