Top 50 SFIV players from Japan, character stats

Posted by BUTTHURT on February 13, 2010 at 10:11 a.m. #1

OMG SAGAT ISNT OVERPOWERED THOSE NUMBERS DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING YOU JUST CANT PLAY SAGAT IS NORMAL

Posted by lordofultima on February 13, 2010 at 10:14 a.m. #2

Top 5 most used characters make up the top tier, I completely agree. Sagat, Akuma, Rufus, Ryu, Balrog.

Posted by ScytheWP on February 13, 2010 at 10:15 a.m. #3

Nerf Blanka and Bison...they don't deserve that 1 pick.

Give Sagat an evasion move

Posted by Jhay on February 13, 2010 at 10:16 a.m. #4

Man, only one Zangief and one Chun-Li? That's laaaaaaaaame. Heheheh

Posted by Somali Pirate on February 13, 2010 at 10:17 a.m. #5

Thank the lord there are no ibuki or makoto players.

Yay for arcades.

Posted by Psycho on February 13, 2010 at 10:17 a.m. #6

That's a lot of Sagats!!

Posted by Megatonbeef on February 13, 2010 at 10:21 a.m. #7

These are the top 50 players after all, they would be high in the ranking no matter what character they use.

Posted by Madness on February 13, 2010 at 10:22 a.m. #8

I've quoted this alot in the past couple days it seems...

Posted by One Inch Punch on February 13, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. #9

All I see is Sagat... hmm :-( where's Rufus?

Posted by xandeR on February 13, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #10

They just need to pick different characters than Sagat. Look at America. There's like 2-3 top level Sagat players and they place WELL but almost never win.

Posted by @xandeR on February 13, 2010 at 10:27 a.m. #11

lots of vegas and a few guiles are starting to pop up on japanese streams lately..

Posted by cheater' on February 13, 2010 at 10:30 a.m. #12

abel is overpowered!!!

Posted by StateofObvious on February 13, 2010 at 10:30 a.m. #13

If the best will be best reguardless of who they use.... then why don't they use Vega, not saying that they would become horrible... but using Sagat/Ryu/ect does not take NEARLY as much skill as Vega. I would like to see them earn the respect in hard fought matches.... not ones where the person they use is one of the easiest in the game to use >_>

Posted by heh on February 13, 2010 at 10:31 a.m. #14

just goes to show that the tournament scene has no individuality...only scrubs have a favorite character that isnt top tier XDDDDD

Posted by ryufus on February 13, 2010 at 10:32 a.m. #15

I could take any of these clowns.

Posted by @#3 on February 13, 2010 at 10:33 a.m. #16

NERF BISON?! WHAT?! I REEEAAAALLY HOPE YOU MEAN BOXER!

Posted by ._. on February 13, 2010 at 10:33 a.m. #17

Even at low level of play you can obviously say that Sagat is OP, dunno why many people disagree with this fact.
If this will continue in SSFIV, they sure could name it Super Sagat Fighter IV.

Posted by Dejavu on February 13, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. #18

Thank the lord that sagat is getting nerfed. He is my main but i feel ashamed to use him when playing online. i'll only resort to using sagat if i'm playing against a very good player and i've gotten my axx kicked many times.

Posted by FERdam on February 13, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. #19

ryu, sagat, akuma characters for the noob.

Posted by FERdam on February 13, 2010 at 10:36 a.m. #20

yes, and rufus for the noob and an extra dash of loss.

Posted by ehubs = fail on February 13, 2010 at 10:38 a.m. #21

/yawn sagat this sagat that...

Posted by FFFUUUUU on February 13, 2010 at 10:41 a.m. #22

Jesus Christ ... 21 Sagat players?

Posted by Akuma on February 13, 2010 at 10:47 a.m. #23

Akuma is not for noobs. He get's KO'ed too easy. SRK spamming gets the noobs punished too hard. Then they run back to the NOOB favorites:

1. Ken
2. Ryu
3. Gief
4. Boxer
5. Blanka

Posted by Akuma on February 13, 2010 at 10:48 a.m. #24

Oops add Sagat as number 4 to that list (above Boxer and Blanka)

Posted by Tier list on February 13, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. #25

I find that to be a pretty accurate, but I do think CViper is better then Boxer I would move her to 5 and Boxer to 6 personally, she has a lot of great tools and seems underplayed in Japan.

Posted by MilnerWins on February 13, 2010 at 10:53 a.m. #26

Wheres Itabashi Zangief?? ! 0_o

Posted by Akuma on February 13, 2010 at 10:54 a.m. #27

I was making a noob tier list, not an actual tier list.

Ken is not 1st on actual tier list. He's first on the noob tier list.

Posted by SabishiiRyuu on February 13, 2010 at 10:55 a.m. #28

A bit inaccurate because Momochi and Shinya both have 2 characters on the list.
Also some of the great players have lost/deleted their cards:

Nemo (Chun-Li): In my opinion, the most exciting pro SFIV player around until he quit. Had around 300,000BP when he deleted his card. Word is that he was getting married and had to stop playing.

Bon-chan (Sagat): was arguably the next best Sagat and was #2 in the rankings until he lost his card last month. He already has over 60,000BP with his new card

FAX Gimoto (Blanka): had over 120,000BP until he lost his card in December. Used a NO NAME card until 2 weeks ago.

Posted by Shiro on February 13, 2010 at 10:55 a.m. #29

Is so Godlike with Abel!
On another note stop QQ'ng about shoto's and learn2play...

When SSFIV comes out I gurantee you people will branch out to other characters.Then you will just QQ about how weak your Main character is...Face it you would lose regardless of who you choose.

Posted by Beaver on February 13, 2010 at 10:56 a.m. #30

Akuma is a good character and he seems to attract a lot of players with great execution. It's a shame his loop is being nerfed in SSF4--it was often pretty vital vs Sagat. But it seems like SSF4 is friendly to a lot of characters that were already strong, with not so much being given to the weaker characters. But we'll see. And I bet dollars to donuts that at least one of the new characters will be OP/S-tier. Somebody will have to keep Ryu company.

That said, I don't really find any of the top-tier characters in this game interesting. Sagat, Ryu, Boxer, Rufus, Blanka and Gief are all pretty dull. Akuma is probably the highest tier character who's kinda fun to play, but I prefer guys like Claw and Elf.

Posted by Surprised... on February 13, 2010 at 10:56 a.m. #31

Only 1 Chun-li and Viper? Not even one Guile! Come on Japan lets see a little diversity...

Posted by @26 on February 13, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. #32

Remember, BP is a function of (1) how often you play and (2) how much BP your competition has. If you're not a frequent player, or if you're a great player playing in a backwater city, you're not going to have a ton of BP.

CANTONA is probably the most consistent Gief anyway, although KOG, Itabashi and Zangitan have their moments. And Bouya, who was almost in the top 10 at one time... what happened to him? Never saw a single vid of his.

Posted by SabishiiRyuu on February 13, 2010 at 11:03 a.m. #33

@#32:
Bouya also deleted his card. He was Top 30 and highest ranked Zangief.

Posted by misogi on February 13, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #34

Wow momochi is on the list twice with ryu and akuma lol makes me proud but shiro abel is deadly tho and Ivo retired and is still one the list

Posted by Your Pal, Satan on February 13, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #35

45% of the top players play Sagat? I doubt even that many played Chun in 3S.

Posted by eh on February 13, 2010 at 11:04 a.m. #36

those arcade cards are locked to 1 character only i think.
suits them fine i guess.

Posted by SabishiiRyuu on February 13, 2010 at 11:06 a.m. #37

ps. Bouya was from Hokkaido, just like the highest ranked Guile, Hiko Seijuurou(around 90,000BP???) and if I remember right, AkameRyuu was also from there. There's not much of a competetion Hokkaido.

Posted by InB4Op_Comments on February 13, 2010 at 11:07 a.m. #38

Oh wait...
(Nuki was a top chun player who also deleted his card for those wondering about Top chun Bp players)

Posted by Ohnukisama on February 13, 2010 at 11:09 a.m. #39

Did Nuki go back to playing 3s full time? Still see him raping face on TheShend's channel.

Posted by hrm on February 13, 2010 at 11:09 a.m. #40

seems to be a few top players deleting their cards.

bit of a shame really...

wonder why

Posted by oh the lolmanity on February 13, 2010 at 11:11 a.m. #41

11 sagats in the top 20

Posted by #38 on February 13, 2010 at 11:15 a.m. #42

Sorry I meant Nemo >_<;

Posted by sagat on February 13, 2010 at 11:15 a.m. #43

sagat sagat sagat sagat sagat tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger sagat tiger tiger uppercut

phuck this game

Posted by half of you guys are idiots on February 13, 2010 at 11:22 a.m. #44

half of ya'll dont know shiz about who should get nerfed n who shouldnt, n btw yeah sagats friggin strong and i dont hav e a prob with that, its just his priority n setups man all kindsa death XDDDD, btw theres no friggin such things as a noob character. there are such things as noobs playing characters but never noob characters got that chump!

Posted by Kash on February 13, 2010 at 11:24 a.m. #45

TKD, the best and highest ranked Fuerte, shouldn't be too far away, I think I saw him recently with around 100k points.

I think the main issue with Sagat is that he has the most damaging AND practical combo in the game (TU -> FADC -> f.HK -> Ultra, which I may add is also relatively simple to do), so he can easily make quick comebacks compared to other characters.

Posted by 44 is stupid on February 13, 2010 at 11:27 a.m. #46

you have no idea what you are talking about. no such thing as a noob character? you must be one of those that use either Sagat, Zangief, or Balrog

Posted by @46 on February 13, 2010 at 11:30 a.m. #47

I'd say the noob characters are Rog, Gief and Blanka, as well as some lower tier characters that aren't that good (Guile, Honda, Ken). Sagat is overpowered, but he isn't supereasy to use.

Posted by Queza on February 13, 2010 at 11:31 a.m. #48

What do the numbers represent?

Posted by Sheesh, Sagat... on February 13, 2010 at 11:33 a.m. #49

Yeah, you can really be good with Sagat, but when it comes down to it, Sagat is a noob character. I win with him effortlessly most of the time. Same goes for Ryu, Ken, and the like. Those that can master characters like C.Viper; weak offense and defense and win got the real skills.

Posted by jaws on February 13, 2010 at 11:35 a.m. #50

sagat is not repped in the us like he is in japan, crying op is retarded. Rufus, rog, viper, cammy, honda, seth, and ryu are scarier here than sagat

Posted by IYO IS A BEAST!!! on February 13, 2010 at 11:39 a.m. #51

iyo is the most SKILLED ssf4 player ever. how in the world do you compete sucessfully with dhalsim on japan's level. Amazing!!!

Posted by Ryu on February 13, 2010 at 11:43 a.m. #52

There you go Daigo fanboys. Mago is way above.

Posted by 50 yen on February 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. #53

fuerte for the win

Posted by Eile on February 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. #54

only 4 Ryu same number as Rufus. What;s all the Ryu hate?

Momochi plays Ryu and Akuma.

Posted by FOOLS! on February 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. #55

@52
He also plays a sh*tload more. When he's not busy making out with dudes, and applying blush to his cheeks.

Posted by Did Iyo stop playing? on February 13, 2010 at 11:58 a.m. #56

Haven't seen him in a while

Posted by Clovr4Lyf on February 13, 2010 at 12:15 p.m. #57

Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!

Posted by SabishiiRyuu on February 13, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. #58

#56:

He's got a job so he's alot less active in the SFIV scene.

Posted by TheDancingPoet on February 13, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. #59

Akimo!!!!
Reppin Honda players.

Posted by J-King on February 13, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. #60

What!!! Guile's not listed at all far as Character Popularity! And this is a list of top Japanese players. Proves only one thing, **SF4's broken** and thensome! I'm surprised Chun Li's ranked that low in the 'Popularity Catogory', but maybe over there in Japan she's not a heavy character pick despite her overall strength in SF4! Dhalsim, and M.Bison though lower than the others in SF4 as well in the 'Popularity Catogory'. My god how the mighty have fallen? SSFIV better fix some of these issues with character strengths pronto. Cos it would definitely lead to a huge shake up in the popularity stakes.

This is exactly why people bitch about this unbalanced nature of this game, all the friggin time. And while i don't blame people for 'maining' powerful characters, they want to keep winning etc, and who can blame them? But any list where Guile, M.Bison, Chun Li, Zangief and Dhalsim aren't higher in terms of popularity and character usage is almost like living in Bizarro World far as SF goes, damn!

And give 'Claw' back his proper *speed* Capcom and for god sakes "buff" him already. And his popularity would rise back up as well!

J-King

Posted by Reality Check on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 p.m. #61

Typical "hardcore" SF4 player comment: "o my gawd liek Sagat isnt OP. scrubs need to STFU n learn to play."

And yet Sagat appears five times in the top ten. Yes, he is an overpowered douchebag (and those people who disagree are either retarded or the ones who are always straddling Sagat's cock.)

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 12:38 p.m. #62

So i hear Sagat isn't OP.

Posted by dukie on February 13, 2010 at 12:53 p.m. #63

its not the character, these players are pros, they have been winning tournaments before sf4

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. #64

i hear u like mudkipz

Posted by Cammy on February 13, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. #65

I never see Cammy players when I watch stream or tournaments on youtube. I would like to see it though.

Posted by Wontontonton on February 13, 2010 at 12:59 p.m. #66

This game is completely the opposite of what they said it was going to be. Great balance of characters, fast paced and more offensive? I don't think so. The game is much slower than 3rd strike and much more turtling. Characters just do more damage and have a lot less health. Spammable Uppercuts makes the game almost impossible to play online when trying to connect your links due to lag issues. Leniency inputs on some moves is kind of stupid. Being able to block while trying to spam uppercuts and jab pokes makes absolutely no sense. Very much catered to the casual players. I'm not saying I don't like SF4 I'm just saying that some of the things in the game are retarded and to cater to low level type players.

Posted by Sagat on February 13, 2010 at 12:59 p.m. #67

f+HK > Tiger Destruction > FADC > Tiger Raid > FADC > Tiger Cannon.

Pray, I'am coming faggits, eventhough my stamina got nerfed.

Posted by Funny on February 13, 2010 at 1:01 p.m. #68

What's hilarious even is Sagat's ultra is bugged (when done to an opponent in a corner it usually won't do full damage). Imagine if that was fixed lol.

Posted by J-King on February 13, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. #69

So agreed with you there Wontontonton!

J-King

Posted by .. on February 13, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. #70

It's not bugged. It's the game mechanism that does that.

Posted by ssf4 on February 13, 2010 at 1:15 p.m. #71

characters for noob in super street fighter 4 :

1.Ken
2.Ryu
3.cody
4.sagat

Posted by H_U on February 13, 2010 at 1:18 p.m. #72

It's important that people remember that just because akuma is more popular doesn't mean he is overpowered. In the same way that sagat IS overpowered, But not because he is popular.

Akuma has the worst stun in the game and the second worse stamina. He is balanced.

Posted by HooDNiNja on February 13, 2010 at 1:18 p.m. #73

ranks 13-17.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by I HATE on February 13, 2010 at 1:29 p.m. #74

CAPCOM! LISTEN UP YOU FAT BITCH! ITS TIME TO QUIT HAVING SEX WITH SAGAT! GUILE DESERVES HIS DAY FOR TOP TIER DOMINATION. MY PENIS IS HUGE.

Hey, and go watch Darksydephil, omg, he is so funny in Bioshock 2.

www.youtube.com/user/darksydephil

Posted by LoL on February 13, 2010 at 1:32 p.m. #75

people who say Akuma and Sagat aren't overpowered are those who use them and hope to god that Capcom doesn't tone down their high level of gayness to that of a less powerful and average character because they use their overpowered-ness as a crutch and subliminal excuse to not learn and get better at the game.

Posted by akjfds. on February 13, 2010 at 1:50 p.m. #76

NO GUILE NO SMILE

Posted by guile s best on February 13, 2010 at 1:51 p.m. #77

i dont think sagat is op and i play with guile it's just that he has a lot of options in comperison 2 guile 4 example and any1 who complains needs 2 stfu cuz it's getting annoying all these annoying rants in every forum

Posted by mr. e on February 13, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. #78

wow...check out all those Sagats lol. yea its time 4 him to be a bit toned down

Posted by JohnJohnson on February 13, 2010 at 2 p.m. #79

there seems to be some interesting things about this list I can see.

1. the one Viper player on the list is in the top 10
2. one of the two Abels on the list is in the top 10
3. Balrog (who I think is the third best character in the game) doesn't appear until #35
4. Ryu (who I think is the 2nd best character in the game) only appears 4 times.

Something to think about I guess. As for Sagat, I'm not surprised, he's the best character in the game and it's about winning right.

Posted by imo on February 13, 2010 at 2:05 p.m. #80

Akuma= most balanced character in street fighter 4.. its so simple.. he has high attack power and deadly combos so they gave him low health to balance it out... but why didnt they take that approach with SAGAT who has high attack, deadly combos and high stamina?? really capcom?? and when asked about it on xplay s-kill gives the bull$hit excuse "oh well SaGat is a sEvEN FoOT KIck bOcKSER Wut DId U ExpECT??" with that logic akuma should be OP since he's suppose to be soo legendary and allegedly killed gouken and goutetsu. i even consider ryu balanced, since he has the third weakest avg attack power in the game. i wouldnt mind if sagats atk power stayed the same in super if they make his health like viper's.... btw i main M.Bison just so no one thinks im defending akuma because i play him. when i lose to akuma or ryu i never feel cheated.. especially akuma.

Posted by HAHA on February 13, 2010 at 2:06 p.m. #81

Mago is such a noob because he uses Sagat (who is a noob character according to commenters)

Posted by hoho on February 13, 2010 at 2:13 p.m. #82

yes mago dont 1 if he played with vega

Posted by Meh.. on February 13, 2010 at 2:16 p.m. #83

What the!

No Fei Long, this is bullsh!t I tell you.

Posted by My name is Vega but I use Ryu on February 13, 2010 at 2:20 p.m. #84

#43, Aojiru Guile needs to change his name. Why name himself that if he isn't going to use Guile.

Posted by Noobs are cool on February 13, 2010 at 2:21 p.m. #85

if ur a great player..you can beat noobs..stop ur bitchin..bitches!! (no noob)

Posted by @83 on February 13, 2010 at 2:30 p.m. #86

This is the arcade version. Console characters don't appear.

Posted by SALTY on February 13, 2010 at 2:38 p.m. #87

SEE THIS IS WHY SAGAT IS OP AND THAT'S WHY HE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVERY TOURNAMENT

BUT THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN SO SCREW THIS I'M GOING BACK TO PLAYING A REAL FIGHTING GAME LIKE THIRD STRIKE

Posted by lawl on February 13, 2010 at 2:40 p.m. #88

SFIV made me hate Sagat. :(

Posted by classy on February 13, 2010 at 2:47 p.m. #89

people who dont think sagat are morons.. ono already said he was.. and he looses cuz hes beatable because of other top players but he has a huge advantage morons.. stop acting like hes completely equal

Posted by Ha on February 13, 2010 at 2:48 p.m. #90

I'd love to see the capcom wenus suckers come in and try defending the game with an empty "SF 4 is one of the most balanced fighters ever" statement

Posted by @#68 on February 13, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. #91

Somebody discovered a trick to get max damage with Sagat's ultra in the corner. If you focus dash as the opponent is falling towards the corner, a glitch will occur and you'll cross up, then you can do an ultra leading away from the corner for full damage.

Posted by guile-playa on February 13, 2010 at 2:53 p.m. #92

sagat needs his a$$ toned down. how the hell are you gonna have a big huge motherfuker with 3 spaecials that takes so much damage plus give him soo much stuff that makes him unfair while giving guile r other char so much less. YOU SUCK CAPCOM

Posted by FLOwDOG on February 13, 2010 at 3:01 p.m. #93

Ok for people saying Boxer is OP and he needs to be nerfed this shows you even top players have an easier time against him. He doesnt show up in this list until number 35 and there's only 3 in the top 50. Yes I am a Boxer player and yes I will also admit he is the best charge character in the game but in no way is he OP. Plus look at Sagat. He accounts for 42% of the top 50. 42% really? thats insane he's the one who needs a nerf not Boxer.

Posted by Jack on February 13, 2010 at 3:03 p.m. #94

I'mma be laughing hard once all the Sagat n00bs get exposed for what they really are in SSFIV - n00bs. No way in he11 they are gonna keep him this ridiculously Overpowered.

Posted by nei on February 13, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. #95

@93 I agree, Boxer isnt overpowered nor is blanka. some ppl whine here because they dont know the matchups properly.

I myself used to play Sagat in SF2, alpha and cvs2 so I thought I woudl play him in sf4 but really I do feel cheap when I pick him because he has way more options than other characters and has barely any limitations and no bad matchups. Ryu, Sagat (and Rufus) are some of the easiest characters to play and u barely need to practice execution. Low risk = high reward chars and thats why they either need to nerf sagat greatly or make other characters combo into ultra as easily as them.

Posted by dingdong head on February 13, 2010 at 3:27 p.m. #96

mad f*cking props to whoever Uryo (C. Viper) is. glad someone is representing and showing that you can kick ass with someone other than Sagat & Akuma

Posted by camiswallows on February 13, 2010 at 3:29 p.m. #97

japan is full of tier whores

Posted by I hate whiners on February 13, 2010 at 3:30 p.m. #98

I feel like I'm in whinerhubs.com where delusional whiners who sucks at SF4 would watch other plays on the youtube and bitching as if they're actually playing the game. Let's face it, you all still suck ass big time even if there's no Sagat in the game.

Why don't you all wieners just go to some gay-porn-tube and play with your own little tiny joystick instead, where you will probably be excel at.

... and I actually main Guile and love to play again Sagat because I beat them majority of the time.

Posted by I hate whiner on February 13, 2010 at 3:34 p.m. #99

I feel like I'm in whinerhubs.com where delusional whiners who sucks at SF4 would watch other plays on the youtube and bitching as if they're actually playing the game. Let's face it, you all still suck ass big time even if there's no Sagat in the game.

Why don't you all wieners just go to some gay-porn-tube and play with your own little tiny joystick instead, where you will probably be excel at.

... and I actually main Guile and love to play again Sagat because I beat them majority of the time.

Posted by Madness on February 13, 2010 at 3:36 p.m. #100

This is the ACTUAL character popularity chart

1: Ryu 17.5%
2: Ken 16.0%
3: Akuma 8.3%
4: Sagat 7.6%
5: Chun-Li 6.8%
5: Zangief 6.8%
7: Abel 4.8%
8: C. Viper 4.0%
9: Guile 3.9%
10: M.Bison (Dic) 3.8%
11: Blanka 3.6%
12: Balrog (Boxer) 3.5%
13: Vega (Claw) 2.8%
14: E. Honda 2.6%
15: Rufus 2.5%
15: El Fuerte 2.5%
17: Dhalsim 2.2%

Posted by (Sagat) on February 13, 2010 at 3:46 p.m. #101

(Sagat)(Sagat)(Sagat) (Sagat)(Sagat)(Sagat) (Sagat)(Sagat)(Sagat) (Sagat)(Sagat)(Sagat)(Sagat)

Posted by DJay2411 on February 13, 2010 at 3:48 p.m. #102

Uryo is my fave. Gdlk. True Story.

Posted by sf4 s on February 13, 2010 at 3:53 p.m. #103

u kids are never gonna win if go by wats on paper and not skill, sagat aint that bad if u know how to play him

Posted by zzzz on February 13, 2010 at 3:54 p.m. #104

Sagat is for scrubs.
Scrubs is for Sagat.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Lilshell on February 13, 2010 at 3:58 p.m. #105

F***ing sagat. F*** him.

Posted by Bleh on February 13, 2010 at 3:59 p.m. #106

sagat is so undrpowered. nly 21 playr's? god dammit mkae him faster.. and give c viper flight mode while you'r at it. and seth should be taken out of the game b/c he is a fukking fagot.

Posted by nubcakes on February 13, 2010 at 4:03 p.m. #107

lol, this just shows Sagat is a popular character in Japan. A list of top 50 in the US would be lucky to have 3 Sagats.

Posted by Sagat Players on February 13, 2010 at 4:05 p.m. #108

You know, these stats reflect one sentiment of mine:

I can appreciate a good Sagat player, but I cannot respect them.

When I watch matches where someone is pitted against Sagat, it is the opponent who has to work 3-4 times as hard as Sagat to nail a win or perhaps cut him down to size. This requires them to play a much harder, concentrated and focused game.

What does Sagat have to do? Zone with shots, build meter. Once he has a couple of stocks, slug out an uppercut in a precarious situation, cancel, f+hk, Ultra. Return to zoning for a little longer and claim a win.

Now, obviously it isn't this simple, but the general game plan for Sagat is to land that Ultra and slug a few uppercuts here and there. Meanwhile, his opponent is bobbing, weaving, ducking, blocking, focus dashing, closing ground, nabbing damage where they can and throwing all their resources and skill at getting in to take some vitality off that tower of power. If they so much as eat a couple of Sagat's normals, they wince. And what of Sagat? He can eat the game's largest combos and punishers and barely flinch.

The reduction of Ultra damage, tiger uppercut damage and his overall stamina in general will be very interesting in Super. I'm curious to see just how many people remain committed to this character. I strongly feel that those of us who have worked our game to deal with Sagat in his current incarnation have not only developed a better foundation for the game, but will find this foundation will serve them better for the sequel. Meanwhile, a lot of Sagat players who have taken his stamina and damage output for granted may find themselves suddenly having to become accustomed to some of the game's challenging elements that many of us have had to deal with from day one.

Having said that, Sagat is perhaps my most favourite match-up. Its doubly rewarding and satisfying taking that character down which stems from the obvious fact that he is clearly over-powered and enjoys a wealth of advantages none of the cast can compare to.

Posted by popularity chart on February 13, 2010 at 4:08 p.m. #109

1,2,3,4 overpowered characters

Posted by @ Salty on February 13, 2010 at 4:28 p.m. #110

You fail, Third strike was full of Chun-Li's and Yun's

Posted by B.K. on February 13, 2010 at 4:44 p.m. #111

damn. no love for sakura at all. shes not even in the blog. yall tourney players suck. get those skills up.

Posted by IRON GOAT on February 13, 2010 at 4:45 p.m. #112

ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS B*TCH AND MOAN ABOUT CHARACTERS BEING OVERPOWERED. GET OVER IT! CAPCOM ISN'T TO BLAME FOR YOUR LACK OF SKILLS. MAYBE IF YOU PRACTICED AS MUCH AS YOU B*TCH AND MOANED IN THESE FORUMS, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BECOME A PROFICIENT PLAYER REGARDLESS OF THE CHARACTER YOUR USING.

Posted by YUP on February 13, 2010 at 4:51 p.m. #113

WOW MORE SAGAT!!!................sigh.....yawn

Posted by TIGERSAGAT on February 13, 2010 at 4:55 p.m. #114

SAGAT TIGER eventscrubs eventscrubs

lol "y no consoll chars in theses rankings :'(" eventscrubs eventscrubs
lol "saggat is op" eventscrubs eventscrubs
lol "sf4 is brorken" eventscrubs eventscrubs
lol "chun was worser in 3s" eventscrubs eventscrubs

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Posted by GOD on February 13, 2010 at 4:58 p.m. #115

i juss thinks boxers jabs needs 2 b nerfed....thats all......nd sagat well he is overpowered

Posted by comments on February 13, 2010 at 5:04 p.m. #116

these comments are the best comments

Posted by Madness on February 13, 2010 at 5:13 p.m. #117

Now, here's a list of character percentages by those who have more than 50k battle points

Sagat 65.60
Rufus 42.00

Akuma 24.25
Balrog 23.13
Dhalsim 20.88

C. Viper 19.69
Abel 18.69
Blanka 17.62
Zangief 13.19
M. Bison 12.09
E. Honda 11.78

Guile 7.85
Ryu 7.50
Chun-Li 7.08
El Fuerte 6.13
Vega 4.69
Ken 4.10

So yea, you can't say majority of sagat players are unskilled. Meanwhile, there are tons of kens that don't really know what the hell they are doing, and ryu's as well, which we already knew. Chun li is more of an advanced character as she requires extensive knowledge of footsies and spacing to consistantly anti-air and be used at her best

Fuerte is a hit and miss character, who can't be hit much in return, vega and guile badly need buffs

Posted by @110 on February 13, 2010 at 5:15 p.m. #118

U must not have played 3s or seen a lot of 3s Videos cos there was also heavy usage of ryu, ken, q, makoto, hugo and ibuki.

Posted by Holygriever on February 13, 2010 at 5:18 p.m. #119

Brian Crecente from Kotaku got a glove and a rose!

http://img86.yfrog.com/i/g9s.jpg/

Posted by @75 on February 13, 2010 at 5:19 p.m. #120

The very fact you rate akuma ANYWHERE NEAR sagat's level gives me lulz galore.

Posted by @#108 on February 13, 2010 at 5:20 p.m. #121

Good post, I agree.

Posted by Wtf on February 13, 2010 at 5:30 p.m. #122

Why do i always hear about how guile and vega need buffs and gen doesn't?

Posted by Tiger Destruction on February 13, 2010 at 5:37 p.m. #123

Tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger

Tiger uppercut

TIGEEEER!!!DESTRUCTION!!!!!!!

SAGAT WIN.

Posted by @118 on February 13, 2010 at 5:40 p.m. #124

you must not play 3s either, as you left out chun and yun. the god tier chars who were more overused then those people with maybe ken being an exception

Posted by IRON blah on February 13, 2010 at 5:41 p.m. #125

ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS B*TCH AND blah ABOUT CHARACTERS BEING OVERPOWERED. blah blah blah! CAPCOM ISN'T TO BLAME FOR YOUR LACK OF blah. MAYBE IF blah blah AS MUCH AS YOU blah and blah IN THESE FORUMS, YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BECOME A PROFICIENT PLAYER REGARDblah OF THE blah blah blah.

Posted by amar on February 13, 2010 at 5:48 p.m. #126

blanka should be high on every tier list than balrog. No blanka should have anything to complain about.

Posted by China on February 13, 2010 at 5:49 p.m. #127

Year of the Tiger..............................................................Uppercut!!!!!

Posted by J-King on February 13, 2010 at 5:58 p.m. #128

@ Wtf #123

Cos Gen's a really strong SF, but difficult to use properly. Its said you can't really complain too much when you get beat by a great Gen player at all cos its very hard to 'main' that character in general! I hear though, he's getting an overhead or two in SFIV and faster execution in several of his moves and possibly some frame reduction in one or two of his Ultras, we'll see how that turns out, but i hope those rumors are true! But seriously Guile and Vega seriously need the *buffs* alot moreso than Gen does at present? Heck lets not forget *Fei Long* needs some buffs too! Fix his 'Chicken Wing' Capcom and give him the ability to land his "Ultra" completely after a juggle, cos what he's got presently doesn't make him the REAL Fei Long in Fei Long fans book!

Far the comments about bitching go? pleaseeeeeeeee....... this'll be nothing compared to when the game's actually out and we see what's negative about SSFIV. And while i won't out on a limb and defend the trolling on EventHubs, to say people bitch or as i see it have an opinion is hardly bitching to be fair.

Once the game's out we'll see if anything we've said should've been listen to by Capcom and its team by the fans all over the internet and through e-mails etc. But as i've said before what balance far as SF4 goes? Its out of whack to begin with and its pretty obvious to many out there that the game's name value sold it commercially in 2009, rather than it being a through-&-through solid title with a decent amount of balance overall.

J-King

Posted by yes4me on February 13, 2010 at 6 p.m. #129

I wonder if Sagat is overpowered...

Posted by chickenwings on February 13, 2010 at 6:02 p.m. #130

@amar

LOL, seriously dude.

Posted by Jimmy on February 13, 2010 at 6:15 p.m. #131

What's with all the hate for Blanka players?

Posted by Hrm on February 13, 2010 at 6:23 p.m. #132

Sagat needs a buff in SSF4, he's obviously way underpowered.

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 6:27 p.m. #133

For the people that refuse to believe Akuma is S-class tier along with Ryu and Sagat, here is your proof.

Posted by PChrisGI on February 13, 2010 at 6:42 p.m. #134

Sagat isnt that bad I dont even fell threatened when i face him im more scared of a ryu or boxer and gief

Posted by online on February 13, 2010 at 6:55 p.m. #135

I actually wish to see more Sagat's and Rufus's online. Its always fun to play them. As for Ryu's and Balrog's and Akuma's I rather never see them again. Way too much sucky and gimmicky ones going around.

Posted by ScrubFighterForTierTards on February 13, 2010 at 7:17 p.m. #136

Fagat, Fagat, Fagat, Wiiyu, Dufus, Trollkuma, Trollkuma, Fagat, Fagt, Wiiyu, Dufus, Fagat...

Yep. SFIV's real balanced... >_>

Posted by JapaneseAreScrubbyTierWhores on February 13, 2010 at 7:22 p.m. #137

As the name indicates.

Posted by Amnesiac on February 13, 2010 at 7:25 p.m. #138

Shiro is my idol.
:D

Posted by Agreed on February 13, 2010 at 7:36 p.m. #139

Shiro is a badass there is a reason why japanese people play tier characters so they can win they dont give a F*#K why some american idiots are calling them scrubs they earn the yen and those who complain do not and for those who complain about abusing tiers and what not are probably not very good players as said shiro is a beast and abel is down in the tier list. Plus i am sure if shiro,mago,nuki and other mentionables went to evo2k10 they would be no americans in top 8

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. #140

in every game there will be a a top tier character/characters.

And people who play at high level will always use a good character.
I say it's pretty balanced.

The only real characters that get me are balrog and sagat.
though rufus is pretty bad and ryu is godlike.
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Posted by Don on February 13, 2010 at 7:55 p.m. #141

I wonder who people are gonna whine about next. I honestly don't think it matters if they're over powered. I've beaten Sagat quite a few times. And I don't just mean online or anything.
The player actually needs to have some skill. It doesn't really rely on the character itself.

Though, yes. I'd love to see way less Sagats. :[

Posted by Poor Akuma on February 13, 2010 at 7:58 p.m. #142

At least that character requires some skill and execution compared to "Oh, did we just trade hits? Ultra!" characters like Ryu and Sagat

Posted by mikey on February 13, 2010 at 8:01 p.m. #143

does Mago have a life? I mean where does he get his coins to play dammit??? he looks like he plays 24/7. LOL I mean the gap between him and Daigo is huuuuuge! O.O and I thought Daigo was an arcade addict :P

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 8:03 p.m. #144

I bet #98/99 "I hate whiners" gets all the ladies.

Posted by @129 on February 13, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. #145

There is something seriously wrong with you if you feel that fei long is in more need of a buff then gen

Posted by 101 on February 13, 2010 at 8:22 p.m. #146

101 ftw, FTW, ftW!

Posted by Grady on February 13, 2010 at 8:23 p.m. #147

"These are the top 50 players after all, they would be high in the ranking no matter what character they use."

Horsesh!t. You're a tool of the wrong.

Posted by Tard on February 13, 2010 at 8:34 p.m. #148

Mago doesn't need coins because when you win you don't have to pay.

Posted by SBprime on February 13, 2010 at 8:44 p.m. #149

wondering what are the top 50 SF4 players in America?

Posted by SBprime on February 13, 2010 at 8:48 p.m. #150

and South Korea

Posted by GrimmjawJin on February 13, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. #151

All I see in that list is Sagat,sagat,sagat... Fu(k you capcom for overpowering that a**hole in every game he is a part of.

Posted by Nelaelu on February 13, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. #152

Don't say that "all you need is skill" because it's combination of BOTH skill and how good your character is. In a very close game Sagat's got BIG advantage that lets him win. Therefore, he needs to be NERFED.
Changing his stamina or damage IS NOT the best choice(he is big and tough and deserves them). His Combos and Speed should be Nerfed. True, he doesn't walk fast, but his moves are fast and recover pretty well. CHANGE THAT!! He also should have VERY limited combos and set ups(due to his damage output).
SIMPLY LOGIC!!

Posted by Nelaelu on February 13, 2010 at 9:08 p.m. #153

All of those players deserve respect... Abel and C. Viper players the most!!

Posted by IrPanda on February 13, 2010 at 9:10 p.m. #154

@146
There is something seriously wrong with me.

Posted by retsu on February 13, 2010 at 9:11 p.m. #155

poongko, sanford and valle might get into the top 50.

dunno about wong tho, the 2 best rufus's in the world are only 12 and 18..

Posted by OMG!! on February 13, 2010 at 9:25 p.m. #156

21 SAGATS!? REALLY JAPAN?

Posted by Dan Hibiki on February 13, 2010 at 9:26 p.m. #157

This is why I play BlazBlue.

Posted by ok on February 13, 2010 at 9:31 p.m. #158

Isn't BlazBlue even more broken?

Posted by @160, on February 13, 2010 at 9:34 p.m. #159

yep.

Posted by LILOlilo on February 13, 2010 at 9:45 p.m. #160

Top 5 players need to get laid lol

Posted by Uhh on February 13, 2010 at 10:03 p.m. #161

Why is it always the assumption that if they're good at a video game, they don't get ass?

This is a hobby, just like any other hobby out there. Sounds like somebody needs to grow up and get out of high school.

Posted by @157 on February 13, 2010 at 10:06 p.m. #162

Sanford is good but not that good. I mean he has a shot since all he does is play all day. So if he choose 1 char and played at the arcades all day then yeah. I could see J Wong and Ricky Ortiz and even Marn getting in with Rufus tho. But they too would need to play all day everyday. lol

Posted by im an idiot on February 13, 2010 at 10:07 p.m. #163

for reading your dumb ass comments! respect mago, number one! sagat or no sagat, learn to play! or f**k off and play final fantasy!

Posted by @154 on February 13, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. #164

It's true. All you need is skill. Some good reactions. And good strategy. "How good your character is" in certain match-ups will give you a slight edge but this is the last thing you should be focusing on.

Posted by nerf on February 13, 2010 at 10:19 p.m. #165

Let's pray that in the final build they nerf Akuma, Ryu and Sagat

Posted by @166 on February 13, 2010 at 10:19 p.m. #166

Agreed! Unless your Dan of course, u can be the best but u will lose with Dan against an average sagat player who can TIGER UPPERCUT FADC ULTRA!!!!

Posted by @146 on February 13, 2010 at 10:31 p.m. #167

Your joking right! Its not even close. Fei long is in the same league as Rose. And Gen is in the same league as Chun and Viper. How the hell does Gen need a buff more than Fei.

Posted by unf on February 13, 2010 at 10:35 p.m. #168

its really cool how the rankings of all the top players cycle during the time the game isnt being played

so you can just sit there and chill if you want as well as listen to the funky remix

arcade version has some real nice presentation and better sound effects too :/

it's not as if the console versions couldnt do this either. blah

Posted by unf on February 13, 2010 at 10:39 p.m. #169

hrm and the way the console versions can manage this is to check for an online connection and if the user has authenticated.

if so, download the rankings data in the background while the main title screen is being displayed. add a timeout check, and an additional throttle to maybe update once per half hour to conserve user bandwidth.

if aquisition of data is successful, cycle the rankings!
if not, skip the routine.

Posted by Sagat on February 13, 2010 at 10:40 p.m. #170

Of course most of Japan picks me. No one has ever beaten Sagat! And no one ever will!

Posted by unf on February 13, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. #171

hopefully the posts about the rankings cycle during the demo catches someones interest. add a nice touch of class.

Posted by YourBisonsBitch on February 13, 2010 at 11:10 p.m. #172

If things dont change in super im out, I thought EA games were bad for balance before I played this my god, capcom make EA look like Blizzard!

Just for the lols Sagat should be made underpowered watching the sheeple, cockroaches and weak bstrds jump off him then.

Posted by @134 on February 13, 2010 at 11:18 p.m. #173

I think it's about time eventhubs updated their tier list that they got from http://www5.atwiki.jp/koko100/.

In the arcade version Akuma and Sagat are easily S-tier. But in console version Akuma runs into a few hard matchups from console characters bringing him down to A-tier. And Ryu is A-Tier in console and arcade version.

Posted by nox on February 13, 2010 at 11:20 p.m. #174

sagat is the coolest and most entertaining character to play: good combo, good zoning, insane damage but slow movement

Posted by dudley on February 13, 2010 at 11:28 p.m. #175

They have no dignity

Posted by Matt on February 13, 2010 at 11:29 p.m. #176

i hope this shows capcom how overpowered sagat is.
if i c that sagat is the best again in ssf4, im not getting it

Posted by lol on February 13, 2010 at 11:37 p.m. #177

wheres the rose?

Posted by @169 on February 13, 2010 at 11:49 p.m. #178

I'm joking? Gen in the same league as chun and viper? Lulz.

Posted by hai on February 14, 2010 at 12:01 a.m. #179

@ 179: These pros are playing only the Arcade release. This means that characters in the console release such as Rose, Gouken or Cammy, are not playable in what they are playing. Therefore there aren't any of these characters being played by the japanese players. Yes they may mess around with console characters here and there, but the arcade version of SF4 is what is played competitively over there

Posted by stop on February 14, 2010 at 12:13 a.m. #180

stop jocking the Japanese so hard, fu*k i don't understand the obsession i can beat any of them visa-versa it all in your execution, zoning, footsie & mind game (patient or aggressive)

Posted by hrm on February 14, 2010 at 12:17 a.m. #181

With only 1 highly skilled Ryu in the top 10, it looks like Sagat and Akuma are the true tier whores.

So why are these idiots around here complaining about Ryu all the time?
Got something to do with being butthurt each and every time at international (and your own) tournaments?

Cry me a river. :D

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:18 a.m. #182

Whoa, the exact same could be said for you #146, if you can't 'main' Gen properly! But Fei Long in SF4 is a poor imitation and ain't the Fei Long of previous SF titles he's been in (SSF2, ST, SFA3). Exactly how many Fei Long players truly tear up the SF4 scene then, care to inform us? Whats Fei Long's win percentage per se or current usage in online matches?

('Long silence') Ah........... Thought so.

Gen gets major *buffs* over Fei Long, pleaseeeeeee...? Sorry but there's a queue and i'm sure; Guile, Vega, M.Bison, Ken, El Fuerte and Fei Long are ahead in front of Gen by a friggin mile and thensome. Even Dan ought to be in front of Gen and he's a known SF *joke* character for gods sake! Gen isn't a "Shoto", he's actually meant to be difficult to use, so deal with it and quit moaning!

Unless you care to tell us for real in your own words, just how he's considered weak compared to everyone else in SF4 match-ups?

J-King

Posted by @185 on February 14, 2010 at 12:28 a.m. #183

#185: "So why are these idiots around here complaining about Ryu all the time?

Got something to do with being butthurt each and every time at international (and your own) tournaments?"

Are you really dumb enough to ask this? Could you somehow fail to be aware that 99.9% of Street Fighter IV owners never attend a tournament, let alone enter one? Could you somehow fail to realize that how Ryu is faring online in fights between average Joes is at least as important—if not vastly more important—than who does what in Japanese tournaments?

Tunnel vision.

Posted by thedood on February 14, 2010 at 12:36 a.m. #184

the japanese, sagat, and the commentors here are all stupid ni99ers

Posted by n0-Ha'doh' on February 14, 2010 at 12:38 a.m. #185

Umm thedood you just commented on this page too. lol

Posted by @188, on February 14, 2010 at 12:45 a.m. #186

More perceptive than you could ever hope to be.
And who does the average Joe use when he runs into another average Joe using Ryu? Ken most likely. They get exactly what they deserve.

For a true definition of stupidity, please see post #189.

Posted by wow on February 14, 2010 at 1:27 a.m. #187

"Whoa, the exact same could be said for you #146, if you can't 'main' Gen properly! But Fei Long in SF4 is a poor imitation and ain't the Fei Long of previous SF titles he's been in (SSF2, ST, SFA3). Exactly how many Fei Long players truly tear up the SF4 scene then, care to inform us? Whats Fei Long's win percentage per se or current usage in online matches?

('Long silence') Ah........... Thought so."

The EXACT same thing CANNOT be said for GEN? WTF?

Where are these gens tearing it up? Yeah exactly.

And that's the truth aint it, Gen is one of the hardest characters to use, Learning to link and combo moves in between his two styles has a learning curve that far surpasses anything on fei long or most characters in general.

And that isn't fair. Good fighting games have the hardest characters to play the strongest. Would you say gen is easier to use then sagat? If not then why do you think he is perfectly fine as is.

Posted by wow on February 14, 2010 at 1:36 a.m. #188

"He was meant to be a difficult character" Is not a good excuse.

Players do care who was "meant" to be hard and who was "meant" to be easy. Most players want the best combination of a easy to learn character and a strong character, That's why sagat is god tier in sf4 he is the best combination of those two things.

Gen is neither easy to learn nor an overly strong character, That's why you don't get too many of players willing to waste their time mastering a dead end character.

Posted by ProofOfScrubbyFriendlyFightersIsInTheTasting on February 14, 2010 at 1:51 a.m. #189

I'll never understand what level of self disrespect one must attain to whore OP characters in fight-game... tourney or no tourney.

Where's the skill in winning when the character your using has obvious advantages over your opponents' as with Sagat, Ry, Akuma and Rufus in IV? o_0 ...rodentia. >_>

*prays*

Please gaming gods, let there one day be a code that only I am privy to that allows me to use a Zeus (WHP, SNK) incarnation in all fighting games! ^_^

Then we'll see what's 'fair'... >_>

Posted by Dashio on February 14, 2010 at 1:57 a.m. #190

No Dashio?

Posted by SAGAT is overpowered on February 14, 2010 at 4:34 a.m. #191

that is the only reason people use him. ssf4 needs to make everyone the same speed, stamnia,ultra damage, in order for it to be balanced. thats the only way......

Posted by No kids on February 14, 2010 at 4:38 a.m. #192

The Palm Tree on Sagat's stage is stronger than Sagat. Ask somebody who knows.

Posted by SF4 on February 14, 2010 at 4:47 a.m. #193

Sagat Fighter 4!

Posted by what a joke on February 14, 2010 at 5:17 a.m. #194

seriously, i can't believe the community is putting up with a game that not only has clearly better characters, but is designed in such a way that they're ridiculously strong(no parry, focus' suck, all of their moves break armor anyways). in all honesty you can only ask what the hell capcom was/is thinking. 4 is a bust, unfortunately. low tier in 3s has a better chance vs chun/yun then low tier in 4 vs gat or rufus.

Posted by seza on February 14, 2010 at 5:31 a.m. #195

3rd strike : 2 characters playable : chun li and ken

Street figther 4 : 4 characters playable : ryu, ken , sagat and akuma

not bad fora street figther game

Posted by seza on February 14, 2010 at 5:35 a.m. #196

correction, 5.

forgot about Rufus as well.

(As per the tier list.)

Posted by ^ OLO @ you on February 14, 2010 at 5:36 a.m. #197

nice troll, almost fell for it with something about Yun : top tier : somewhat more difficult to use, not just pick up and play to hear the crowd go "Ayy -- Ayy" for juggles.

I heard Rufus has good moves, but his design is really bad, wonder what the casuals|mainstream say about him, the rival to their main cool bro Ken?

Posted by OLO & more You might also on February 14, 2010 at 5:37 a.m. #198

Want to throw in Balrog. Jabba Jabba Jabba. More Jabs than Gabby Jay from Super Punch-Out. Gootecks taught the kids via G4, about charging when where, juggle how to -what? Ya RLY

Posted by thing about 3 is on February 14, 2010 at 5:39 a.m. #199

that every character had a built in counter that gave them advantage if they could successfully predict their opponents move. thus, if a good player is using low tier and he can still win free damage by punishing. in 4, anything you focus just gets shattered, there is no uoh, no options for the worser characters. doesn't make any sense as to why there's no fair and universal way in 4 to gain advantage. i thought we advanced fighting games to create fairer competition?

this is also why the fighting game scene is one of the smallest of all gaming scenes. fighting games are a not a fair medium of competition.

Posted by GG on February 14, 2010 at 5:41 a.m. #200

Sagat is R WINNAR~!

Posted by Shosh on February 14, 2010 at 6 a.m. #201

I can't believe how all these bxtches on here are crying and moaning. @201-focus attack is better than parry faggotry. For goodness sake in 3s , one could parry an opponents entire super art. That is ridiculous. As for the "sf4 is bust comment". I think the sales figures beg to differ.

As for the prxcks crying about Sagat well he is gettin nerfed in SSF4. Aside from the fact that his tiger shot is so fast , Sagat is not that hard to beat.

@163- apparently Daigo is married.

Posted by Oro says yes to UOH except done to him + Super! on February 14, 2010 at 6:02 a.m. #202

I Love UOH. More Fighting games need to steal|borrow that already. Gawd damn. Debatable whether it should have allowed direct opening to Supers, but no reason why everyone shouldn't get one, & that only Akuma|Ken|Ryu get a great one or two even - with most having 2 hits. Viper's completely putting her off the ground(even more so than UOH) is easy to see coming compared to the stand there and quick one-two by a Ryu|Akuma|Ken they can mix into any block string offense up close.

Legend: UOH = Universal OverHead (Attack), kids. It is a move that will hit crouch blocking characters. SNK games most times allow the short jump to do it in their games too. Capcom games can have instant overheads sometimes but only in SF3 was it streamlined to Medium Punch + Medium Kick to activate (Down Down in 2nd Impact, IIRC)

Posted by agent smart on February 14, 2010 at 6:04 a.m. #203

good call, shosh.

Posted by shosh on February 14, 2010 at 6:08 a.m. #204

is clearly 15, plays online, and is NOT invovled in the competitive scene. hopefully you can still see how saying somethign like "sagat isn't hard to beat" is PLAIN RETARDED. and he's hardly being nerfed. focus attacks suck, just about every player agrees with that. they're a joke. only thing cool about fa's is exfadcing.

Posted by agent smart on February 14, 2010 at 6:10 a.m. #205

nvm im just shosh trolling like its /b/ up in here.

Posted by Parry is Fun just like any other SF move on February 14, 2010 at 6:13 a.m. #206

"For goodness sake in 3s , one could parry an opponents entire super art. That is ridiculous. "

Yes, in several ways, one that:
Certainly made a lot of people, who would never look at a Street Fighter ever, take a look via the youtube "Evo 2K4 moment Daigo Ken Parry Finish". And a lot of other youtube matches with major comebacks or great parrying to win/end a match are also great fun, very welcome to be viewed over and over.

Pyrolee makes Gootecks wonder "WTF is going on?" ::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgN7-T...

Posted by agent smart on February 14, 2010 at 6:24 a.m. #207

no, fadcing is DAMN USEFUL in a fight against sagat

you need to do it at least once in the round safely to build ultra.

just as long as sagat keeps rufus out, who cares anyway. :)

Posted by feggitry on February 14, 2010 at 6:53 a.m. #208

Damn Sagat feggit, i hope the nerf bat hits him really hard so all those tier-whoring losers quit.

Posted by shinygerbil on February 14, 2010 at 7:04 a.m. #209

#126 IRON blah: you made reading all these retarded comments worthwhile

Posted by lol event scrubs on February 14, 2010 at 7:10 a.m. #210

I would have loved to see all you people who started playing fighting games on Feb 2009 play when CvS2 was popular. SF4 sagat is nothing compared to CvS2 Sagat.

Posted by heh on February 14, 2010 at 7:23 a.m. #211

super turbo o.sagat was a barrel of laughs too.

Posted by ABCD on February 14, 2010 at 7:32 a.m. #212

And not a single Guile. Tsk tsk

Posted by ABDSUPERCrew on February 14, 2010 at 7:36 a.m. #213

There is a guy named Guile, but he plays that boxer son!

43. Aojiru Guile (Balrog) 110.672

Like that one time JerseyFame Guile said he was switching to Boxer around these crazy parts.

Posted by @146 on February 14, 2010 at 8:33 a.m. #214

If you believe Fei Long is better than Gen you're an idiot.

Posted by @157 on February 14, 2010 at 9:18 a.m. #215

Dude, Santhrax got his ass beaten by Violent Alioune, he lost 5 matches in a row without even winning a round and he did recognise that Alioune was godlike and the best non-japanese Sagat around.

USA is overvalued, neither "Santhrax" Kelly nor "family man" Valle can make through this top 50. JWong got the tools for it though.

Posted by @223, on February 14, 2010 at 9:46 a.m. #216

So, that just means Violent Alioune could crack the top 50 as well.

There are plenty of excellent players worldwide, quite a few in the Asian region we never hear about due to the 'overvalued focus' :p

Posted by Ben Reed on February 14, 2010 at 10 a.m. #217

Inventory of arguments:

1. Sagat is totally overpowered, despite being one of the least (relatively) powerful top-of-the-pile characters in fighting game history. Anyone who chooses him both sucks and is a noob and I could beat them if I chose to do so. (See 2.)

2. What a bunch of scrubs. I could totally beat Japan's best. No, seriously. I just have better things to do during the day. Like your sister.

3. SF4 sucks because it isn't like 3rd Strike/doesn't have parry or UOH. (Seriously? We're not past this infantile stage by this point?) Nothing will make low tier characters better faster than parry and UOH, obviously. (Never mind the fact that Sagat would get those things, too.)

4. These guys all need to play FAIR low-tier characters like Vega so that instead of the "cheesiness" of Sagat vs. Ryu footsies and mindgames, you get, uh, Vega vs. Vega. Sit there and have a staring contest and dare the other guy to throw out a poke so that you can counterpoke anything they do, and vice versa. Edge-of-your-seat s**t, that's for sure.

Common sense is going to loser's bracket 0-2, in serious danger of being swept. Rationality looks to join it shortly.

You people are what's wrong with the Internet.

Posted by @208 on February 14, 2010 at 10:15 a.m. #218

lol daigo is not married

Posted by sagat is bs.. on February 14, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #219

I'm sorry, but Sagat is a real BS character. Sure, it might take a bit of skill to pull off some combos, but this character just feels ridiculous. I'm usually not a Sagat player but decided to mess around with him online and it just takes such little effort to win matches. Whereas normally I feel like I have to try so much harder with any other character that I would use.

So I can honestly say, I can't respect anyone that wins by using Sagat and claiming that they are really good at Street Fighter.

Posted by ! on February 14, 2010 at 10:27 a.m. #220

akimo is my idol

Posted by .. on February 14, 2010 at 10:55 a.m. #221

@ #225:

well summed up.

@ #227

idiot who proves #225's summary.

Posted by bendermac on February 14, 2010 at 11:12 a.m. #222

the most overpowered character in sf4 is dan!!!

hell, even sagat can't beat him. each taunt takes a quarter of your health. sagat never was op... he is totally balanced. another overpowered character is rose or sakura. man, they own so much. sagat is pussy against them. and don't forget vega... another op character. his throws take away more health then any zangief piledriver.

;)

Posted by cant win then die cheating on February 14, 2010 at 11:13 a.m. #223

Maeda Taison is ONLY 48??

That is very fcuking scary.

No wonder they dont want an arcade version before EVO haha

Posted by Eventhubs Arcade Tracker. on February 14, 2010 at 11:26 a.m. #224

Just an update for the arcade location tracker:

Melbourne, Australia

Box Hill Timeout
609 Station Street
Box Hill, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Six (6) Vewlix cabinets linked up with Taito Type X-2.

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 11:31 a.m. #225

[Please gaming gods, let there one day be a code that only I am privy to that allows me to use a Zeus (WHP, SNK) incarnation in all fighting games!]

@ ProofOfScrubbyFriendlyFightersIsInTheTasting.

Lol, hey i remember that giant badass from World Heroes 2/Perfect! Heh, so agreed.

[Gen is neither easy to learn nor an overly strong character, That's why you don't get too many of players willing to waste their time mastering a dead end character]

Good 'wow', and that means he's neither top-tier nor low-tier but somewhere's inbetween. Whatever made you think simply cos he has two fighting styles makes him S-God Tier automatically? He was exceptionally great in SF Alpha 2 and quite powerful in SF Alpha 3, but however said he was number #1 though? And for the record can Sagat naysayers quit bitching too, that characters has always been quite powerful in every Street Fighter game to date. Yes Capcom goofed up and made him way too strong in SF4 and his levels (health, dizzy gauge, strength) are too damn high. Its reasonable that they/Capcom, didn't test out the game as they should've and young new developers made mistakes in testing the game before its release. And yes tier-whores are going to definitely use and rinse him out alot for getting wins, but for the record, Sagat has never been a 'low-tier' or 'average-tier' type character. But i'll agree the unbalanced nature of SF4 makes him a 'Monster' thats too strong, if he isn't nerfed you'll never hear the end of it for SSFIV debates coming up later this year!

Far as your Gen debates goes wow. I like Gen, but he won't be S-tier anytime soon nor should he be. What..., do you want his 'Crane style' to be faster than Vega(Claw) and 'Mantis style' to be stronger than Sagat overall? That would lead to even more unbalancing this SF series doesn't need. If Gen were god-tier, people would still bitch; "Why is the old man so powerful, etc", complaints will never end. Sensible discussions on whats wrong with a fighting game is alright though. Long all the points are made clear enough. Just resign yourself to the fact 'Street Fighter' game will never have perfect sense of balance, no matter title it is! Although i think it ought have a reasonable amount in relation to the characters though, and only through skill in the usage of the ones you've picked and developed on. Should show the right amount of strength because you built your own tactics and strategy around in making whomever? that great through practice and persistance etc.

J-King

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 11:36 a.m. #226

SF4 also heavily broken cos players play too much alike. At least the older games allowed you to play to your own style that you developed on your own. To many its still not a proper 3D fighter that plays like a 2D fighter game, which just happens to be in 3D.

Capcom just needs to ditch the "noob-friendly" system and return to the skill & technical frame of previous SF titles. But most of all at least 'TRY' to balance this sucker out and return the quicker pace of matches that demands skill and ability over; 'dumb luck', 'turtling', random hitbox glitches, glitchy normal move priorities and unbalanced sillyness etc.

Let SF4 be the introduction to the series but SSFIV be the vast improvement update version, over the first game.

J-King

Posted by ?jKING??? on February 14, 2010 at 11:43 a.m. #227

Why you put your signature has the end of your messages one see your name at the top has left

Posted by starecase77 on February 14, 2010 at 11:44 a.m. #228

capcom needs to nerf sagat, boxer, zangief's larait. those characters are way overpowered and defense is way overpowered. I'm a gen player, buff him up. he is the most exciting player in the game, a true test of skill.

Posted by Really now on February 14, 2010 at noon #229

I love how people resort to using OTHER fighting game brokeness to justify Sagat's brokeness. This is 2010, not 1991. I thought we should expect near perfection from games, not "Oh, well it's the closest we'll get, so that's just fine."

Posted by Simpliztic on February 14, 2010 at 12:01 p.m. #230

sagat doesnt scare me...i enjoy playing against him...much more challenging...watch my vid vs a sagat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJxi4...

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:04 p.m. #231

@ #235

And what do you care, how does this effect you in how and what name i like to put in my responces on EventHubs?

Try to think of something useful to say next time, geeez!

J-King

Posted by immortal on February 14, 2010 at 12:15 p.m. #232

good siht, #238,Simpliztic.

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:15 p.m. #233

[I love how people resort to using OTHER fighting game brokeness to justify Sagat's brokeness. This is 2010, not 1991.]

@ #237.

Thats funny, cos Sagat wasn't playable at all until 1992's Championship Edition of SF2?, lol. HE WAS A BOSS CHARACTER IN SF2, meaning he wasn't pickable!Might want to get the facts right before making a post trying to tell others off.

Could be friggin 2030 for all i care, the sensible comparisons made would be jusified considering past experiences of using 'said' character to how he is presently in SF4? Feh, think all the people always posting short responces trying to be funny, have no real previous SF gaming playing experience, hence their comments always come off as failed attempts to sound like they've been with the SF series for a long time and know what they're talking about, when in fact its the complete opposite.

So don't go mocking 1991 o.k., cos many certainly had more fun playing SF2 than broken SF4, lol! More bitching goes on about SF4 last year and currently than SF2 or SF3 ever had, so what does that tell you generally!

J-King

Posted by eh on February 14, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. #234

technically sagat aint broken, but he does have a number of tools which make common situations tip to your favor.

definition of broken: cammy/sakura crossup glitches, that definately needs fixing upping.

hopefully before those revolting super characters ibuki and makoto make it in.

damn console characters messing everything up!

Posted by i hate n00bs on February 14, 2010 at 12:25 p.m. #235

to #66 (wontonton comments)

i couldn't agree with this more.......i am sick to death with scrubs mashing srr/reversal or even mashing jab. surely you should get punished for mashing reversals during someones block string.....they really need to fix this in Super, otherwise i'm gonna go insane. because of this i now only play with a few players that do not mash at all (which on XBL is around 1% of the total players)

Posted by Simpliztic on February 14, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. #236

@ immortal 241...thank you for watching the vid. Honestly tho, sagat is a strong char but he isnt broken because he is beatable. Every fighting game has a strong char and that is fact...ppl need to stop crying or stop playing...that's all i gotta say....peace out!

Posted by Boring on February 14, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. #237

#241 and all his other posts. Needs to get out some more.

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:28 p.m. #238

J-king :

simpliztic (J-King)a perfect match of noob which uses fireballs has extravagance (J-king)

J-King J-king

my name is J-KING

J-King

Yes I am a star it is for that that I sign my comments that gives them more importance

J-KING......

Posted by Vega user on February 14, 2010 at 12:29 p.m. #239

I think the game is pretty balanced, this top 50 just proves that people dont want to up their game and just take the easy way (Sagat) to be top player, People like Shiro and Uryo proved that not popular characters can be like the best one, whiners should stop complaining and more training because its much more satisfying beasting with low tiers than with top tiers,9/10 of my g1 matches are against shotos or spammers, most of you whinners are making this great game like a deja vu, fighting a mained console character its near impossible, i just know one great gen player.
PD: my win rate is 74% with vega, that proves this game its not that unbalanced

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:40 p.m. #240

@ #246

[Facepalm]: Lol, look who needs to get out more #245, or is that simply you trying to be another poster? Awwwww.... is that all you can comment on Mr Boring? (Yawn...) Least i've got sensible things to say and discuss regarding SF4, than someone like yourself with no comments made whatsoever. Guess a real discussion would totally "tax" out your two remaining 'braincells' huh, figures!

EventHubs = Troll Heaven!

Nuff said.

J-King

P.S. Swing on it haters!!!

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:42 p.m. #241

Nuff said. I'm gona go suck my dad's dick now.

J-King

Posted by Sagat op on February 14, 2010 at 12:46 p.m. #242

..but does it ruin your fun that much?

Losers

Posted by heh on February 14, 2010 at 12:47 p.m. #243

here's a vid from lordaborigine of vega swinging on sagat's neck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92YI2i...

typing in "SA BA" on that channel returned 3 singles videos of claw beating sagat every single time.

so if you wanna see how you can run with sagat as vega, check it out.

Posted by #167 on February 14, 2010 at 12:49 p.m. #244

..........Why would you nerf Akuma?

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 12:56 p.m. #245

Wow, so one minute i'm arguing with somebody else (quite possibly the mentally retarded scrubs) then i'll be insulting myself?

Hahahahahaha.. Gotta love the logic of a troll don't ya.

And when the mods DO wake up, your nonsense will be gone. Of course the numbers of posts will be effected and whomever quote somebody by number will be messed up!

So go to bed son and rest in the comfort your so pitfully dumb! That'll teacher your mother to go into the 'gorilla cage' at the local zoo in her desperation to have a baby with a male primate, won't it!

J-King

Posted by heh on February 14, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. #246

and here's another one of claw smashing in rufus's face in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVxave...

this rufus is 12th place in this top 50.

sorry, couldnt help myself :D

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 1:03 p.m. #247

@ #249

Yeah grow some balls, scrub. J-King ain't afraid of Sagat cuz J-King = OP'd.

Trolls = G2-B Level, J-King said it.

Nuff said.

J-King

P.S. Please cum in my mouth...

Posted by URIEN IN A SUIT on February 14, 2010 at 1:07 p.m. #248

F U SAGAT

Posted by Sagat on February 14, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. #249

Hmm... needs more TigerShotPercut Knee's. Bow down before your almighty god - HAHAHAHA!

Posted by new move on February 14, 2010 at 1:11 p.m. #250

new move for sagat in super sf4 announced.

the 'tiger demon'

sagat flies across the screen, grabs the opponent.
the screen turns black with a picture of chuck norris in the background.

2 seconds later everyones dead.
including the fat kid in the underpass stage.

muwaha

Posted by @222 on February 14, 2010 at 1:12 p.m. #251

If you believe that gen is better then fei long you are an idiot.

Posted by the true on February 14, 2010 at 1:17 p.m. #252

dudley ,ibuki, makoto are not in the game

Posted by @233 on February 14, 2010 at 1:33 p.m. #253

You have... Strange.. Logic.

What your saying is that a character that is both difficult to learn and a weak character is right is JUST below akuma sagat ryu ken rufus? Wtf is wrong with you?

You keep on with this whole "They aren't meant to be strong" mentality that you offer NO explanation for.

So it isn't realistic that an old man is DECENT not to mention powerful yet it's realistic for people to throw fire out of their hands and to jump 15 fete into the sky?

Nothing in SF4 is realistic and that is a poor excuse to handicap any video game.

Posted by sf4 on February 14, 2010 at 1:36 p.m. #254

wondering.
If c.viper got sagats damage and health,
and sagat got c.vipers.but move priorty and hit box and what not stayed the same.
does that mean their will be more c.viper players and less sagat players.

Posted by freekill on February 14, 2010 at 1:57 p.m. #255

of course not, maybe more vipers but sagats moves themself with their recovery and speed are a powerful tool alone.

Vipers learning curve is just too high that some dmg and hp would make her instant choice #1

Posted by freekill on February 14, 2010 at 2:02 p.m. #256

oh and btw, compare Sf4 console version tier rankings to sf3 tier rankings. SF4, on paper, seems to be more balanced then SF3, strange that some people actually think it is less balanced..

Question: Is it "top tier-hate" or is it "sagat-hate"?

Posted by @259 on February 14, 2010 at 2:17 p.m. #257

lmfao, win comment.

Posted by @263 on February 14, 2010 at 2:23 p.m. #258

Man is C.Viper had Sagats health and Damage she would be on some ST/HDR Akuma sh*t. They'd ban her from tourneys in a heartbeat. Then she would become so popular as the infamous banned character everyone will pick her up.

Posted by About Gen and Fei discusion on February 14, 2010 at 2:37 p.m. #259

@260 Maybe its because you just started playing. As you play more with and against the two characters you'll see how good Gen is and how bad Fei long is. Gen should be somewhere in the B to C rank. Fei long is somewhere in the D to E rank.

Posted by Top 5 on February 14, 2010 at 2:44 p.m. #260

Iyo is top 5 easily, he just doesn't play very much....he's semi retired.

Posted by TheSFK21 on February 14, 2010 at 2:47 p.m. #261

haha i dont know why people complain, sagat is weak sauce. The ONLY time when people have to worry about him is when he can actually zone. And i'm talking really good zoning, not tiger shoting until opponent jumps then TU. Im talking about legit pro, mago zoning. Unless it's one of those sagast, im so happy when i see one cuz i know its an ez match. The only person i have a problem with is gief really, but sagat is pringles. Yall scrubs need to level up or something ;) happy vday though

Posted by Wow on February 14, 2010 at 2:48 p.m. #262

Wtf are you talking about? Fei long is even ranked higher then guile.

I think it's you who has just started playing and aren't aware of character rankings/tiers and movesets.

Posted by @252 on February 14, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. #263

Damage wise and Health wise Akuma is fine. They need to add more frames on some of his attacks and then he'll be fine. Akuma and Ryu aren't as bad as Sagat but they too must be toned down slightly.

Posted by NotDaigo on February 14, 2010 at 2:52 p.m. #264

Has anyone noticed that in the Official Street Fighter 4 Prima strategy guide, one of Zangief's dislikes is "beautiful young women"?

Posted by Clovr4Lyf on February 14, 2010 at 2:59 p.m. #265

I wonder how many time Sagat was mentioned in this sheet I recommended?

Posted by @271 on February 14, 2010 at 3:02 p.m. #266

Oh... Ok that explains it. Your looking at the Japanese tier list. I was wondering where you got the idea that Fei is better than Gen. That tier list is pretty useless for console characters though. Japan hardly plays console so where they put the console characters on the list might as well be random. Hell they even put Abel and Cammy below Fei. Just think of the last time you saw anybody in a tourney do anything with Fei(Excluding Wong who pretty much wins no matter what because other players are so nervous to play him). And then think of how many people play Gen effectively at tournament level.

Posted by @275 on February 14, 2010 at 3:06 p.m. #267

Lol no, You are the one who started with the whole rank thing.

I am judging purely from game play and from that judgement fei is without a doubt better then gen

"Just think of the last time you saw anybody in a tourney do anything with Fei("

Just think of the last time you saw anybody ina tourny do anything with gen, The same logic can be used against you moron.

I actually main balrog, I say gen is worse then fei long out of pure truth of the matter.

Posted by Camiswallows on February 14, 2010 at 3:10 p.m. #268

@275

Yeb Mfer, Yeb.

Posted by ScytheWP on February 14, 2010 at 3:20 p.m. #269

@ 259

Unbelievable. Chuck Norris wouldn't be involved with anything Sagat does...even he doesn't want to die.

Posted by @276 on February 14, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. #270

Here's a few matches with good Gen players playing in different tourney's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmH_K5...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiGVY...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-ePo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKbHH...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwktIF...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qwB87...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK9BTm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0IdpK...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kca33...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIW51q...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1e18...

Posted by umm... on February 14, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. #271

I don't know if you noticed, but Daigo has MORE BP than Ojisanboy on that list. Typo?

Posted by umm..2 on February 14, 2010 at 3:27 p.m. #272

LOL DOH! I guess I'm dyslexic... my mistake.

Posted by @280 on February 14, 2010 at 3:31 p.m. #273

Your right! Not only that but how the Hell did Mago gain that much more battle points from the last time they updated the list on versuscity.

Posted by HUUURRRR DERRPPP on February 14, 2010 at 3:42 p.m. #274

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Posted by @279 on February 14, 2010 at 4:08 p.m. #275

Ok out of all of those fights there was only 3 gens who faced a high tier character 2 of those he actually lost. The one he did win was against an awful sagat, Even if the sagat wasn't awful one win against a high tier character hardly makes gen good.

Posted by J-King on February 14, 2010 at 4:17 p.m. #276

Iyo is top 5 easily, he just doesn't play very much....he's semi retarted.

J-King

Posted by Anon on February 14, 2010 at 4:18 p.m. #277

Complete agree with @270

...except for the part about Zangief, for me it's a good (not even great) Boxer that gives me trouble

Posted by ScytheWP on February 14, 2010 at 4:43 p.m. #278

@ 270

You're the kind of person I like to troll. Sagat is clearly overpowered. Just because you go online and destroy g1 sagats (who doesn't?), doesn't mean you're any good. It means you play online, and you know how to deal with the challenge that online offers. This post isn't talking about the babies you play against, this is talking about the real top players. If you fought even one of these Sagats, it wouldn't be anywhere near close...then maybe you'd understand why Sagat is a really overpowered character.

Posted by Dejavu on February 14, 2010 at 4:45 p.m. #279

A must see for all street fighter fans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIE-IS...

Posted by @285 on February 14, 2010 at 4:45 p.m. #280

It's tourney footage(most of it). Who cares about what characters are being used. Those were some of the best players in the U.S. playing. If you can compete with them in a tourney your character can't be as bad as Fei long. If you only want to see Gen fight Sagat look for it on youtube. There's plenty more competitive gen matches you can watch. But the chances of you finding competitive Fei long matches are close to nill. Yeb only uses Gen and is one of the best players on the west coast just google or youtube him. I feel that your making these judgements about Gen probably because you haven't faced any Gen's that know the Balrog match-up or how to do Gen's more complex combo's. But an experienced Gen is a whole different story.

Posted by watever on February 14, 2010 at 4:52 p.m. #281

all i can say is that those top characters are the strongest ones and that other characters are too weak to fight for a place. people might say i am scrub but atleast i am not lazzy enough to use a strong character to win

Posted by Burn on February 14, 2010 at 5 p.m. #282

Man, we really need some more info... you all linger too much when there is a drought. It's been almost 36 hours since the last update. And this info, which is relatively boring, has an insane amount of posts.

Posted by @290 on February 14, 2010 at 5 p.m. #283

What are you talking about? The gen LOST the majority of the matches where he played high tier characters and the one where he did win was against an awful sagat, Why would i be convinced? if anything your videos prove my point not yours.

And that match wasn't the finals or the semi finals or the quatar finals, It was low ranked where tournaments are concerned.

So you have yet to show me a gen winning a tournament against a high tier character That is at the very least the quatar finals.

That's because it DOESN'T happen.

Posted by chickenwings on February 14, 2010 at 5:06 p.m. #284

U could only hope that after a year of play they iron out alot of the imblanaces. We are gonna have 35 characters in the next verison, diversity shouldnt be a problem. I just hope they can make the necessary fixs. BUt i doubt they could pull it off, look at all the things they let slide with the first sf4.

Posted by Anon on February 14, 2010 at 5:13 p.m. #285

lulz Sagat is more broken than Akuma. I always said he was overpowered even in ST. Anyway, Ill be on ST if any of you guys want me. So glad I don't play Sagat Fighter IV

Posted by @293 on February 14, 2010 at 5:24 p.m. #286

Didn't I show you westcoast warzone vids. Yeb came in forth place. As a matter of fact Yeb usually places in the top 8 of tourneys he attends. And as I said before the character he is facing is not important. Its the players that are important. Yeb placing higher than Eric Choi, UTJ, Floe
Filipino Champ, Combofiend John Choi and a bunch of other top players is much more impressive than him beating a bunch of lesser skilled Sagat players in a tourney. Not to mention he did beat Floe who has one of the best Sagats in the U.S. That you happen to call awful. lol. You don't need to look at tourney vids if all you want to see is gen beat Sagat. I thought you wanted to see skilled Gens play other skilled players competitively.

Think of it this way. Would you rather see a Gen player destroy a bunch of random Sagat players? Or a a Good Gen player play against other players that destroy Sagat players on a regular basis as well?

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 5:28 p.m. #287

Full rumor list
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/se...
How the rumor list is staking up
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/se...

Posted by @Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 5:34 p.m. #288

Hmm... So pretty much the rumor list was right and didn't fail anybody. Cool. Now back to Sagat, Akuma, and Ryu being broken.

Posted by @296 on February 14, 2010 at 5:54 p.m. #289

"Didn't I show you westcoast warzone vids" Yeah.. And i watched them and based my comment on those vids.

"And as I said before the character he is facing is not important"

You are the one who is egging gen up to be something he is not, When i ask for evidence you provide a ton of videos of him beating mid to low tier characters and 3 where he fights high tier characters TWO of them where he gets smashed one of them where he versus an incompetent sagat player, I don't know the player other from the game you showed me. I hope i don't need to explain to you the multiple ways to combo into sagats ultra but the sagat didn't use ANY of them and just let his super build up wile he turtled in a corner. fail fail fail.

"You don't need to look at tourney vids if all you want to see is gen beat Sagat. I thought you wanted to see skilled Gens play other skilled players competitively."

I want to see a gen, ANY GEN, Take down a sagat player that is clearly competent like mago or furiten, in a tournament match that is at the very least semi finals.

If you can give me that then i will admit i was wrong about everything.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. #290

Actually if you read it fails alot in there....
-Its not coming out in arcade means it fails alot of people, as well as no update to the arcade SF4 with console characters sans Gouken and Seth is even harder failing for Arcade players.
-It fails both console and arcade players by having you select ultra and it being very visible to the other player, cause say if your Geif and your playing someone if you had access to both it would make the player much more cautious but the fact you have to select(say ultra 1) and it shows the other player what you select a player might jump around just to taunt you once you have ultra meter cause you can't use your ultra 2 to grab them out of air.
-The supers returning are actually there ultras (though most look like supers like Gulie's, Chun Li's, Sagat's and Gouken's) meaning no new/cool ultras and from what has been shown some look plain stupid(akuma's) and others just lack the power of the first ones.

Posted by @ 301 on February 14, 2010 at 6:16 p.m. #291

I agree with you!!! what you said about the ultra's!!!

Posted by @302 on February 14, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. #292

lmao stop agreeing with yourself.

Rumor list was mostly right. Over half right means the insider guy obviously got them all right but things changed over time due balance issues/other stuff.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 6:24 p.m. #293

and if that's not enough failing peopl
-then there possible fail of if dudely doesn't have his chains

-if Makoto's Tanden Renki isn't there to buff her normals and specials.

-If the 3S characters don't have familiar supers it would be kinda fail for the people who like them

-Tandan saving would provide a new general element to gameplay that who knows may or maybe not have brought in more people....

all together I can see well over 1000 players feeling that's some what faileed by what has been confirmed to false, and almost another 1000 by what can be found false

Posted by @299 on February 14, 2010 at 6:29 p.m. #294

How often do you think a Sagat and Gen will face of in a semi-final of a tournament? There only a few Sagat's in the U.S. that can make it that far in any major tournament and much fewer Gen's. There is not a Sagat player that is as competent as Mago in the U.S. As a matter of fact the Sagat from the other video might just be the best Sagat in the U.S. , he's at least top 5. And nobody good plays Gen or really any other console character in Japan so finding a video of Japanese Sagat's and Gen in a semi-final isn't happening.

Here are 2 vids of Yeb beating 2 decent Sagat's in the semi-finals of 2 different tourney's. Only footage I see on youtube of Gen's fighting Sagat in a semi-final.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ognFR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFs6-H...

Anyway all I'm saying is Gen is better than Fei Long. Not that Gen is top tier. He is mid tier.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 6:30 p.m. #295

Balance issue or "other stuff"? no arcade support sound like a balance issue or other stuff? Making a super into an ultra(Sakura and Ryu's Metsu SRK) is a balance issue or other stuff? Having a knife wielding ultra is balance issue or other stuff?

the only thing that has proven false that I can see as a balance issue(but even then you can fix it just takes time and with SSF4 having been delayed looks like they could have had it) or 'other stuff' is having both ultra options ready.

and 302 wasn't me, I'll even give the admin premission to IP track me

Posted by @238 on February 14, 2010 at 6:37 p.m. #296

watch me play against sagat.
I love a challenge.
I only use ryu, it's not like it's an even match up or anything.
Geez, get over yourself.
Ryu is just a op as sagat.

Posted by Rofl on February 14, 2010 at 6:39 p.m. #297

I like when ppl keep talking about ryu also beeing overpowered. There are the same numbers of Ryus that rufus in top 50 and only less 1 ken and boxer.
Overpowered for sure, any one of you complaining noobs could pick Ryu and beast your way through every japanese player because he is so freaking overpowered.

I mean top 50 has 4 ryu players ITS SO OVERPOWEREEEEEDDDD

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 6:48 p.m. #298

on the topic of ultras:
Seriously it takes more program code to have the ultras selectable then to just let both be unlocked options during a fight. and just incase you don't know what I'm talking about:

you have to make the code just to have a box appear and be actively apart of the game, you have to program code to make sure the other ultra isn't usable during that fight and make sure no bug happens where they do the unselected randomly wasting meter and if it dose you have to fix it. you have to make sure the graphical icon on the ulra meter is correct. that is a month on it's own just to implement let alone get ready to ship cause you make sure it applies to each character all the same and when you have 10 guys working on the same character's code some one might forget a line thinking the other guy made it then guess what you got a game bug somepeople has to spend another week or two looking over all the code.

Posted by AMAZING DUDE on February 14, 2010 at 6:53 p.m. #299

iyo is the best player on the list. he doesnt need to use over powered,(sagat), coughHHH!!! fighters to win. pure skill baby. thats what street fighter is supposed to be about.

Posted by mk is the best game!!! on February 14, 2010 at 6:55 p.m. #300

why are so many people worried about street fighter when mk is superior in every way.

Posted by @308 on February 14, 2010 at 6:56 p.m. #301

Agreed. In arcade version Sagat and Akuma are the only characters that are overpowered. In console version Sagat is the only character that is overpowered.

Posted by @65 on February 14, 2010 at 7:06 p.m. #302

you can just go on the street fighter dojo and watch cammy there...

Posted by @ 303 I'm #302 on February 14, 2010 at 7:37 p.m. #303

Rumour list will fail you it's not me and again I agree with him when he talks about the ultra's and also the arcade release

Posted by TheSFK21 on February 14, 2010 at 7:39 p.m. #304

@ScytheWP 288

you are dumb, that's exactly what i'm talking about, unless its a really good sagat, people dont have to worry. And you wont find a good sagat online. Since 99.9% on here dont play competitively, then why do they care about sagat. My point is, a lot of people here are complaining about sagat for no reason. I never said i own online, and yeah if i did its just online. But people are just complaining to complain.

Posted by Rave_Zero on February 14, 2010 at 7:42 p.m. #305

Akuma is pretty well balanced (high damage, low health), the only thing I hate about Akuma is when players run away + teleport away the whole match... very annoying.

Posted by @305 on February 14, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. #306

The first sagat OceansideDoods was not good, he failed the ex uppercut into ultra, He got the heavy uppercut fadc into ultra but the fact that he missed the EX is telling.

That isn't all he did wrong either, He kept spamming his tiger knee at one point because he knew it's hard to punish, He has scrub written all over him.

the 2nd sagat was just as bad if not worse, Just as he is about to die he randomly ultra's hoping it's going to land, If i wanted to see a sagat that bad I'd get on windows live.

And he keeps throwing out random uppercuts and light tiger knee's when yeb clearly isn't within range to even get the end of the move.

And you aren't proving that fei long is worse then gen you are just proving that the best gen in the U.S if not the best gen period, Can beat a few scrubby sagats.

I could of told you that.

If he is mid tier then that would imply that he can beat high tier characters (like sagat) with competent players behind them if the gen player is exceptional like yeb is. But that isn't the case because yeb lost to daigo's ryu and yes it is just one example but who plays a better gen then yeb? I can't think of anyone.

Posted by @ 308 on February 14, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. #307

Now way Akuma is overpowered dude, WTF!! he's a top dog but he's balanced

Posted by @318 on February 14, 2010 at 8:07 p.m. #308

Forget it. If you want to be the only person that thinks Fei long is better than Gen then go ahead. As long as capcom kows what's really up. I'm done trying to show you. Also it seems all the Sagat's in the U.S. are scrubs and might as well just stick to online play. Oh well.

Posted by TheSFK21 on February 14, 2010 at 8:08 p.m. #309

@318

yeb is prob the best gen. Since japan doesnt play console charactrs as much, most of the best console characters reside in the US. I wonder what happened if there was an arcade version of ssf4 and the console characters were in it. I know that there would be some crazy cammy's and gen's. I wonder if any would get in the top 50?!

Posted by CHARGE-E.HONDA on February 14, 2010 at 8:38 p.m. #310

dude looks like a lady ,ah ah ah ah ,dude looks like a lady
aerosmith

Posted by @320 on February 14, 2010 at 8:51 p.m. #311

LOL

Don't worry about backing up your claims or responding to my arguments.

That has to be one of the least graceful ways to bow out of an argument.

Posted by I have ? on February 14, 2010 at 9:32 p.m. #312

Alot of commenters on eventhubs complain that characters who can fadc into a full ultra are overpowered, because other characters can't and just a few hits and less damage. And I do see your point, so I was wondering after seeing Dan's new ultra fireball, if Dan could fadc into full ultra would anyone consider him top tier like Sagat/ Ryu/ Rufus/ Boxer. Or does it take more than an easy to combo ultra to make a character cheap or (Noob friendly)?

Just wanted to know If you think it makes a differance?

Posted by @324, on February 14, 2010 at 9:41 p.m. #313

It comes down to styles.

There are characters that can link ultra from whatever, and there are characters that cant.

It's intentional.
For those that can, get generally poor low priority normal moves.
For those that cant, like Fei Long, they are compensated with really good high priority normal moves, and a couple of nice specials like EX chicken wing which makes good nightmares for fireballers. :)

Thats a basic example of it anyway.

It all comes down to style of fighting and what the player feels comfortable with.

Posted by @324 on February 14, 2010 at 10:12 p.m. #314

Its never just one thing that makes a character top tier. But being able to combo into ultra never hurts. Its a combination of having above average stamina, doing way above average damage, amazing zoning ability, mix up ability, high priority moves, good recovery, and ability to escape dangerous situations that makes a character overpowered.

Posted by Nelaelu on February 14, 2010 at 10:55 p.m. #315

Regarding the OVERPOWERED issue: If there is someone overpowered in SF4 it's ONLY Sagat. Only SAGAT! True that Ryu can connect his ultra easily, but his ultra lacks damage (just one example). Akuma's got some great stuff, but they balanced him with low stamina and hard to connect ultra. Same goes for other high tiers (rog, ruf, blan, gief) they all have certain minuses. Only Sagat exceeds at practically everything...

Posted by @301 on February 14, 2010 at 11:20 p.m. #316

You do realize that rumor list post on eventhubs came from 2 different sources. 1 source has been 100% right obviously because it was an inside source. And the other source was 100% bs. Of course the post won't be 100% accurate since half of it came from a bs source. The part of the post that we knew came from the reliable source, the character roster, has been 100% accurate up till now. So actually there are no surprises yet, no let downs or anything like that.

Posted by Nelaelu on February 14, 2010 at 11:21 p.m. #317

Don't complain about other high tiers then cause they don't have that much advantage against others. Making everyone exactly even is impossible. The point is:

DON'T CREATE A CHARACTER WITH OBVIOUS ADVANTAGES

Cause then all that competetive stuff is half BS. First (good) half is the skill (that those guys definitely have), but then the second half (BS) is that half of them use Sagat.

Posted by Nelaelu on February 14, 2010 at 11:46 p.m. #318

J-KING:
Dude you gotta relax... and stop writing some perverted/aggressive/pointless comments. They only diminish strenght of your other (topic-related) arguments and your credibility. And well... if you loose credibility, writing your name a million times won't help you.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 14, 2010 at 11:49 p.m. #319

there are 5 sources according to Evenhutbs here above the comment section
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2009/se...

funny thing Some of the details that are wrong come from one source and things from the other source then the are the partial wrongs and rights with in the same rumor like Metsu SRK, Cody's knife ultra, ultras not selectable as well as fully wrong ones arcade release. so unless your telling me one half a rumor came through one source and the other half came through another "bs" one you are WRONG

Posted by The Rumor List Will NOT FAIL YOU!! on February 14, 2010 at 11:59 p.m. #320

Do you really think that Capcom of japan is not making an arcade SSF4? They are in the process right now. Everything else about the rumor list was right,some stuff just got changed. I am sure that both Ultras were in the game at one point and they decided to change it. There are always going to be rumors and leaks. The sad thing is you want the inside info and don't have it. Others have the info and won't share it. Go ask Mr.Wizard he will tell you.

Posted by heh on February 15, 2010 at 12:03 a.m. #321

and there's a pack of americans playing super sf4 regularly before its released to the rest of the world trying to bolster themselves to win evo. plain cheating imo.

think we're stupid? ^_^

Posted by zero on February 15, 2010 at 12:06 a.m. #322

sagat is tooooo weak.lol
and sagat is never over powered.lol

Posted by J-King on February 15, 2010 at 12:37 a.m. #323

Nelaelu please behave and try to engage your brain? Ever since my first post on this page today on here, my username's obviously being used by trolls just using my handle and dicking around. Funny enough, hours ago i said their posts would get deleted by the mods and they have, but not other earlier ones after they started though.

EventHubs should know via I.P. addresses who's real and who's fake, but alas no they ain't chasing them all up. Said it time and time again EventHubs needs a real message board and to ditch this post a comment business, guess they enjoy trolls though. Shouldn't have to worry though smart people should figure me out from obvious the idiots impersonating me wanting the attention so badly with negative crap they're posting.

I'm not known for making sex comments or idiotic nonsense, i prefer proper discussions and EventHubs knows it.

J-King

Posted by MrBoring on February 15, 2010 at 1:09 a.m. #324

Don't take the Internet so seriously, and start posting stuff that is informative and interesting in lieu of your long winded self glorifying dribble that unfortunately makes its way onto EventHubs. You are not an authority on SF, 90% of your remarks make no sense and this constant playing down people as idiots or inferior clearly denote that you have deep and pressing issues to resolve with yourself as a person and that you should invest your time solving those instead of posting here.

Kindest of regards.

P.S Sagat, by no means, is OP'ed or invincible. If you are a worse player than your opponent using Sagat you need to step your game up.

Posted by TENINCHLUVABOY on February 15, 2010 at 1:28 a.m. #325

STREET FIGHTER 4 is not balance in any sort of way except that top tiers are balanced against other top tiers (which is about 5-6 characters) including sagat.

Capcom statements that their weak characters are two guys and their making them stronger by increasing one of those char' footsy game while for the other his claws take longer to fall off , what a flipping joke on us capcom .Think of this for one moment capcom , forget hitboxes 'cause i know you don't want to give the many weak characters help in this division ,wake up options and get off of me options you don't want to bother with either so you need to think about this atleast;

BUFF AND NERF

1.level of attack power on both normal and special moves

2.reach of normal and special moves

3.defense power(health)

4.trades

5.ultra strength

6.options to get in full ultra

7.super's strength and all around usefulness

8.ex bar usefulness

9.combo and juggling ability, pressure "block" string ability

10.combo complexity which determines the chances mistakes can occur

11.chip damage game

12.safe ex bar building moves that are either being block or not hitting

13.horizontal and vertical control of space

13.5 all the above vs the ability to control the spacing in the game

Sagat has a high ability to control the spacing in the game even against shotoken masters and all other "12" categories mention above to a high degree ,now when you compare that to the majority of the sf4 cast you get a situation of a one sided fight which gives sagat his broken rating but this is not the case when you put him up against the other 5 bosses in the game "why you may ask" because of how severely all other characters lack in the 13 categories ,

Akuma escapes this situation mainly due to the fact of his ability to control the spacing thus pace in the game aswell as having strong combos that are easy to perform thus giving less of a chance to the opponent to fadc into ultra from mistakes unlike Gen's combos which have a lower reward anyway.

I "THINK " THE NEW CHARACTERS WILL HAVE THESE ATTRIBUTES .

JURI.2,5,6,7,8,9,10,12 and the ability to control the space in the game horizontally

T.HAWK . 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,10 AND 13 in respect to vertical space.

DEE-JAY . 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 and 13 in respects to horizontal space

ADON . 1,2,3,5,8,9,12

GUY .1,2,3,5,6,8,9,12

CODY . 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12

I'm not saying everyone in the same category is at the same level as t.hawk health is far better than deejay's or any one else so that's another aspect of it.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 15, 2010 at 2:13 a.m. #326

@ Rumor list WILL NOT FAIL YOU
why would they even think of holding that info? EVER!?!! why would you hold of telling your arcade fans(especially japanese ones) "hey there's an arcade version"? what sense dose that make? and will your fans feel like they got shafted and feel like you did it to make money(which it will if they do now)

Guess what it dosen't matter if it was meant for an old build it was still on the list and people are saying "the list is all true" or "isn't failing any". but hey there are major things that have been proven false so far are some of the biggest game changers beside the characters themselves if half things that were wrong were right we would have such a different game! so it's failing that list is failing, the game might not be fail but the list is failing.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 15, 2010 at 2:18 a.m. #327

"The sad thing is you want the inside info and don't have it. Others have the info and won't share it. Go ask Mr.Wizard he will tell you."

LUL really? I don't care for inside info guess what it dosen't affect how I play the game if it looks and plays well. I don't care if others have it if I did I would be asking about the leaks themselves like "how do they know this" but no I'm just saying it's wrong which there are some things wrong. I don't give a damn about Mr. Wizard and if you talk to him tell him to keep his mouth shut cause I don't wanna hear it.

Posted by Rumor list will fail you on February 15, 2010 at 2:22 a.m. #328

if you don't get it I don't care if the info changed if it's on the list and people want to be like "oh rumor list rocks" I'll point out how it doesn't rock cause it was wrong with game changing and community changing stuff doesn't matter if it might have once been true IT'S NOT TRUE NOW

Posted by realill on February 15, 2010 at 2:46 a.m. #329

Sagatomination.

Posted by J-King on February 15, 2010 at 3:05 a.m. #330

MrBoring please grow up! (*Yawn*) If anything your pretty self-absorbed opinions only shows one of several things you ought to deal with yourself, and believe me take that kind advice seriously! You don't tell me or anybody else anything at all, you have nothing to speak of yourself cos you have no identity on EventHubs, dribbling is your speciality buddy not mine you came seeking trouble with me, i wouldn't know who you are nor would i care one iota (really i truly wouldn't) had you not made yourself know to me. And while my posts are long least they're full of discussion points and are informative, if you cared to read and understand the discussions they're raised in.

[You are not an authority on SF, 90% of your remarks make no sense and this constant playing down people as idiots or inferior]

Oh... i never claimed to be the authority on SF? But i guess YOU think you are, and what would that be at; KOF, GG Tekken what pray tell dear chap oh please do tell what games are you an authority on? (sarcasm). Guaranteed you don't even play SF4. But strange that you'd ask let alone put it like that though hmmmmm? Still, don't know where you get your delusions from, but nice to see how sick your mind is though. And i don't play down people as idiots although i see if your the insecure type, you'd see it that way. But thats just *YOU* not me nor everyone else for that matter seeing it that way. So don't go trolling back with a responce trying to be somebody else and claiming it so (i'm sure people can read you like a book fella and that tactic won't work, not with us smart ones anyhow). So don't try to repaint the situation and brainwash anybody with all that friggin claptrap B.S. Nice of you to try the 'Psychiatrist' attempt, but leave it to the professionals eh old man, or at least go visit one yourself. Take the internet seriously me? Bwhahahah, lol what a joker you are dear fellow. If anything, your chasing me around this joint is prove enough of who taking what so seriously, now quit stalking me (and your pals) and talk your regular B.S. 'mouth foaming' gibberish elsewhere's as per usual *hint hint*.

[Kindest of regards.]

Go stroke your own ego. YOU'RE FOOLING NOBODY! Kindest regards, you have as much 'kindest regards' towards me as a common thief, con-man or bitter immature S.O.B., and thats me trying not to be so blunt refering to you personally. Lol, oh the irony of YOU being on here? (Devil-ish Grin!).

*Sigh* bored now.

J-King

Posted by MrBoring on February 15, 2010 at 3:45 a.m. #331

J-King, I think many of us agree that you need to get laid ASAP. Hell, I'll even put in USD30$ towards that endeavor as it is pretty obvious that you wont be getting that type of action for free.

You seem to get real excited J-"King" and I think I hit a nerve. You got so worked up that you made a load of spelling mistakes too. That is dumb. Reread your post (which is a boring read anyhow) and you will see that you have just come across as someone that has got really worked up over a post on a video game message board on the Internet.

I think you need perspective, a shave, a woman and a diet. Pick those in the order you feel is most appropriate.

Enjoy the rest of your life.

Posted by sagat fan on February 15, 2010 at 4:10 a.m. #332

Is probably because all the good players choose Sagat.

Posted by J-King on February 15, 2010 at 4:34 a.m. #333

J-King is so OP'd at the moment. I am so broken that I can BRAGG MY OWN POSTS, WTF!?!?!!!

J-King = God-Tier in Tier lists.

J-King talks about people stroking their ego if they oppose him and oh it's true, cuz J-King said it.

Nuff said.

J-King

Posted by im right on February 15, 2010 at 5:48 a.m. #334

sagat the faggot should be banned from tournaments. yep i said it. and whoever dont agree is stupid!!!!

Posted by Nelaelu on February 15, 2010 at 5:55 a.m. #335

Man... that discussion is going nowhere now. All that I wanted to say regarding the topic (before everyone starts a riot) is that we shouldn't argue if Sagat is OP or not (cause that's obvious, please... how can you disagree?). The discussion should be more about how to nerf him (in a way that makes sense and doesn't ruin the character).

Posted by J-Queen on February 15, 2010 at 5:56 a.m. #336

@333 thats what your name should be. you are so in love with sagat. you are sagat's faggot.

Posted by Nelaelu on February 15, 2010 at 6:08 a.m. #337

The results from the "Top 50 Street Fighter 4 arcade players in Japan" can only mean 2 things:
1. Sagat is way too OP in a close competitive play
2. Japanese players base their character picks strictly on tier lists
Is it 1 or 2?

Posted by New Math on February 15, 2010 at 6:39 a.m. #338

Just FYI there are only 20 Sagats. Count again boys.

When the numbers don't add up to 50 you should probably double check the numbers. I'm just saying.

Posted by Remove Sagat from the game on February 15, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. #339

The only way to make the game better...remove Sagat from the game...

Word....

Posted by Tiger Nerf vs Shoryunerf on February 15, 2010 at 10:10 a.m. #340

It's boring and annoying to fight Ken, Ryu, Sagat amd Akuma players online(95% of the time).Nerf them all please.

Posted by @tiger nerf on February 15, 2010 at 10:23 a.m. #341

dont worry in super street fighter 4 95 of players online are ....ken, ryu, sagat, akuma and a new!!! cody....
all characters for noob

Posted by Old School on February 15, 2010 at 10:51 a.m. #342

Man; back in the day guile was the bomb.....now he's not even used. stupid new school. c'mon you guys have to give more moves to guile, he's in the army for crying out loud. He should know like a million attacks. and e.honda is freakin epic, he should be highly used too.

Posted by Anon on February 15, 2010 at 1:57 p.m. #343

@278
What you just said totally contradicts itself. If Sagat is "clearly overpowered" then the g1 sagat "babies" would still be able to destroy those of us who know how to zone him properly because well, he's overpowered. The fact that the g1 sagats don't shows that maybe he isn't as overpowered, eh?

Posted by J-King on February 15, 2010 at 3:05 p.m. #344

*sigh* Boring your problem is, you posts are so beyond ridiculous, i'm practically insulting myself by responding to your inane nonsense thats whats ups! Boring i'm not worked up over you (hah), i'm correcting you, there's the huge difference there.

Getting laid lol, like i'd need that advice from probably a bloated overweight person like yourself (joker) or a gaunt over opinioned individual who thinks bringing up a woman makes him or of a man than everybody else (hah Christ you neeed to wake up). Yeah you getting laid must be a 5-minute experience all sweaty and stuff (heheheh) rolling around on the floor for you. Seriously though stop trying so hard to act like your rather 'dry' comments have me climbing walls in rage, i'm far from it.

[That is dumb. Reread your post (which is a boring read anyhow) and you will see that you have just come across as someone that has got really worked up over a post on a video game message board on the Internet.]

AND YET TO STILL READ IT NIMROD! and still your still responding to me considering your previous statements, can't get enough huh. Your alot easier to troll in return than you could possibly realise. Yeah nice to know your still trolling on the internet coming after me?, oh 'gay' of you, does your old lady know, lol. I'm hardly worked up over video game message board dear boy, but come bet thats all you'll do however. If you posted anywhere else online you'd have no life whatsoever. And thats just plain sad.

Not that i'd care though.

Oh and reread isn't a word duh. For someone to act like they've gotten on the drop on somebody else you have to set an example of perfect spelling and mature behavior yourself. Not to worry though, its not as if i expected a perfect mental genius to come after me online but a rather bitter and warped individual who full of himself (believe me i know). Nice title by the way cos your right in that respect you are ARE quite very boring! So grow up already. Here's my advice to you and i hope you take it. Go see a shrink because of your mental health problems, take regular baths and stop bouncing around like you have Parkinsons disease or something in real life and lay off the damn weed ('wink')!

[I think you need perspective]

(*Nearly falls over*) Look who's talking, lol!

[Enjoy the rest of your life]

Oh i plan to so don't worry, hopefully without your sorry ass being around! Now go troll somebody else, thats only what your good at isn't it nothing more nothing less other than simply trolling.

Wow your old school careers advisor must be proud huh (lol!).

J-King

Posted by u guys on February 15, 2010 at 4:37 p.m. #345

are just a bunch of haters.

only losers make excuses.

Posted by my take on February 15, 2010 at 6:34 p.m. #346

scrubs that play with sagat would lose to a pro dhalsim or dan player. so that means the game(fighters) is pretty balanced. i think what people are trying to say is, sagat has the most POTENTIAL out of all the fighters. pro players make USE of that POTENTIAL that he has. so when pros play as sagat they make him reach his full POTENTIAL because they are experts. look at dhlasim for example, me being a causual player, I NEVER DREAMED THAT HE HAD THAT POTENTAIL UNTIL I SAW IYO PLAY WITH HIM. i thought a dhalsim player would never be a top contender. but thats what pros do with low tier fighters. now if dhalsim(low tier) has that much potential. what do you think sagat(god tier) has if he is used correctly!!!!!!!!! I hope you guys get it.

Posted by my take- the same person on February 15, 2010 at 6:48 p.m. #347

and this argument sounds like the casual players vs hard core players. casual players feel like sagat is op because he has easy inputs(shoto) and do alot of damage. hardcore players feel like any fighter could beat sagat as long as you got skill. i saw this type of argument with 3rd strike too. casuals thought it was too hard to learn, pros thought it was ingenius, and some call it the best fighting game of all time. neither side will never agree. lol

Posted by g on February 15, 2010 at 7:04 p.m. #348

35/50 are shotos.

Posted by notice on February 15, 2010 at 8:24 p.m. #349

1) Sagat is obviously a little "too good".
2) Any charge characters not named balrog sucks.

I wish Capcom is noticing this... Sagat is part of the problem but so is charge characters in general....they just can't complete...period.

Posted by Max Skill on February 16, 2010 at 1:16 a.m. #350

J-King WTF are you doing? You act like you know better than everyone else and it's getting more and more out of hand lately. Give some weight to other people's opinions, that's like common sense.

J-King, Please stop the stupid act and take a dump. That should ease you up.

Posted by zagat on February 16, 2010 at 5:28 a.m. #351

Sagat is fine.

lol this thread is one big bukkake on J-King and the sad part is that he is unable to defend himself, leave the poor kid alone already and get back on topic.

Posted by sagatsucks on February 16, 2010 at 6:18 a.m. #352

I think
I am going to puke for seeing so many Sagat players

Posted by DaigoFtw on February 16, 2010 at 6:22 a.m. #353

Daigo must be anxious for SSF4 to arrive cause then he'll be number 1 since Ryu is going to be buffed up and Sagat nerfed.

Posted by Hamster on February 16, 2010 at 12:58 p.m. #354

@325 One thing not on your list that I think is very important to mention is where the vulnerable hit boxes are on a character for an array of moves and states.

In the SF2 CE, HF, SSF2, ST days, the Capcom dev team altered the active and vulnerable hit boxes a lot between game iterations to balance characters out.

In some of the anniversary Street Fighter books in the developer comment sections whole sections would be devoted to how they tweaked the game via hitboxes (i.e. Guile's Cr. MK was used a lot as an example).

Hitboxes, along with move activation and recovery speeds (lumped together in the vague term 'priority') can be a subset base element which derives how effectively a character controls space.

Examples in past games of this are Guile's standing strong in CvS2. The completely extended arm is nothing but an active attack hit box for it's entire extension animation. This makes it a crazy anti-air which coupled with his general traps can make a very effective zone game (except that roll cancelling modified it a bit).

While on the subject, roll cancelling effectively made everyone able to do moves that removed all vulnerable frames (except for throw) which is why CvS2 devolves somewhat into an RC war.

Older examples of this could be Rose' Alpha 2 Cr. MP. It was the same as CvS2 Guile's S. MP except that it controlled horizontal space and had the added bonus of being cancellable.

Anyways just an extra food for though.

For those out there that make the argument that only 1 Sagat out of the huge amount of Sagat players in round 1 of SBO progressed past the first round , think about this...

SBO is not open invitation but rather participants have to go through regional qualifiers. That means that a majority of the qualifiers were won by Sagat players.

Take also into account that in 3rd Strike, Q had the greatest number of players that advanced to the second round.

Do you see anyone making a claim that Q is a top tier character?

My opinion is that there are many people out there who will learn a character who is considered top tier and do well.

People who choose to use a character that is not top tier will not do as well or will stop playing the game completely.

Ask yourself this as well. In Street Fighter 3 3rd Strike, you can't go to an arcade in Japan without fighting a Yun player. Where were all these Yun players when Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact was in its prime?

Posted by >:U on February 16, 2010 at 5:10 p.m. #355

"Man; back in the day guile was the bomb.....now he's not even used. stupid new school. c'mon you guys have to give more moves to guile, he's in the army for crying out loud. He should know like a million attacks. and e.honda is freakin epic, he should be highly used too."

News moves in themselves don't solve anything. Did the old Guile have more moves than other characters? It's more important that the moves he has are reliable and effective rather than how many he has.

Posted by freezframe on February 16, 2010 at 5:14 p.m. #356

What?! No Dan?

Without a big star like him to get everyone pumped up, I'm bored out of my mind.

Posted by omegax9000 on February 16, 2010 at 6:11 p.m. #357

Tkk and Jwong pwn them all!!!!

Posted by ohnoes on February 17, 2010 at 9:31 a.m. #358

Hamster = J-King.

Posted by Crazycuban on February 17, 2010 at 8:03 p.m. #359

yoshiwo, the guile player, wulda actualy been on there pretty high but he reset his card, he wulda had like 100k ish

Posted by @jking on February 18, 2010 at 5:16 a.m. #360

And if you really were trying to look for a pro fei long you would of found them i.e jwong

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