S-Kill adds further thoughts on SSF4's alt. costumes

Posted by john on February 2, 2010 at 2:40 a.m. #1

good solution would be to not sell costumes per pack but per character some of the alts are terrible and on sf4 i was forced to buy them via pack and the pricing would not be so terrible

Posted by S0nicSt@r on February 2, 2010 at 2:40 a.m. #2

I don't care, how can they charge for costumes and yet give championship mode away for free? that's ass backwards if you ask me.

Posted by Soulfighter on February 2, 2010 at 2:42 a.m. #3

what i like the most is that people who bought and will buy collector edition won't even have all the alt costumes haha

Who's stupid enough to buy that seriously

Posted by Seth on February 2, 2010 at 2:42 a.m. #4

I don't care, I'm still getting a massive fee. So to hell with with the lot of you.

Posted by krom on February 2, 2010 at 2:44 a.m. #5

@3 you can't help it , they like being money cow, they'll buy these costumes.

Posted by azerty on February 2, 2010 at 2:48 a.m. #6

hrm. impressive response.

i can also appreciate that time and effort it took to even bothering responding to the storm.

a touch of genius. master stroke.

might just re-ignite the passion of this world warrior.

moar plz.

Posted by @2 on February 2, 2010 at 2:50 a.m. #7

So you'd rather they charge you for improvements on the core game than some damn costumes that have no influence over the gameplay at all?

Capcom did you a favor when they released the Championship Mode, don't bitch about it.

Posted by FGM on February 2, 2010 at 2:50 a.m. #8

@S0nicSt@r So you'd rather have it the other way around? That's idiotic.

They gave us the game-changing stuff for free and you had to pay for the pointless superficial stuff. Sounds perfect to me.

Posted by LOL on February 2, 2010 at 2:51 a.m. #9

Seth thinks were all fu(kin stupid. HE is the retarded one. Next we'll be paying to fight Akuma at the end. 'But Seth isnt that in the game' seth: I dont care, you like the sf universe? u pay now. Me: Uhhh, fu(k it, i'll take it, how much?

Posted by Alan Thicke on February 2, 2010 at 2:51 a.m. #10

I don't really care about alternate costumes, they don't effect the core gameplay and don't divide the community into who does and doesn't have the content because everyone has the data on their disc. As long as they release the costumes with the option of everything at once or smaller, cheaper packs, I'll be happy because I can just spend a few bucks on the pack with the one costume I'd probably want.
@1
I think the reason Capcom can't release each costume as an individual DLC pack is because they have to pay a certain fee to Microsoft and Sony for putting each one up on their services, no matter what size it is. If that's true, 27 (or so) DLCs would cost Capcom a lot of money. I guess they figure it's just easier to put a few packs with several costumes in each.

Posted by shadow on February 2, 2010 at 2:56 a.m. #11

even tho i think its gay of capcom to put the costumes as DLC im not going to bitch about an "option" to buy something if ur going to buy it then ok koo if not dont bitch about it like a lil ass kid who gets a toy and dont get evrything he saw in the advertisment...this sh!t just seems pointless to me...

Posted by #9, on February 2, 2010 at 2:59 a.m. #12

Incorrect.

Seth doesn't think the fans are stupid at all.

Taking a closer look at this, choosing the option of additional costumes won't impact the core functionality of Super Street Fighter IV at all.

It's a much harder path to focus on positives in this day and age and far easier to tear something down unfortunately.

Luckily for us, Super Street Fighter IV is looking like a damn solid title whose positives far exceed the negatives.

I'm very much looking forward to the online team battle functionality on both XBL and PSN, as well as the new characters. :)

Posted by it's true on February 2, 2010 at 2:59 a.m. #13

paying for costumes does suck, but it does cost extra money for extra content.
It was bad that everyone thought it was supposed to be free, then they take i back though.
I'm still going to buy them ugly or silly costumes are still extra stuff, and I like to have all that I can in sf.

Posted by @13 on February 2, 2010 at 3:04 a.m. #14

There was never an official statement from capcom about it being free.

If you believe baseless rumors it's your own fault for being disappointed.

Posted by Tech on February 2, 2010 at 3:20 a.m. #15

There is a technical issue behind the costumes being on disc.

If you don't have the costume, and face a opponent that has it, you don't need to download it to see that your opponent is using the costume.

Posted by TJHooker on February 2, 2010 at 3:21 a.m. #16

...To poster number 7...
...noone is doing to anyone a favor ! they're making money first of all, and they do not care about such a thing like FAVOR really, as well as they do not care how we react on charging the price for such nonsense thing like alt costumes, and whatever Seth or ono or nyone else would say, obvious is one thing - they want to make money and they do not care about anyone's wishes and thoughts...period...if you think otherwise you're just naive fool...

Posted by ^ on February 2, 2010 at 3:22 a.m. #17

Correct.

:)

Posted by Taxattack123 on February 2, 2010 at 3:26 a.m. #18

If you want costumes for free, it would put a debt in Capcom, and that's not nice. And they're just costumes, calm down. I'll probably buy some.

Posted by Xeo on February 2, 2010 at 3:29 a.m. #19

I like S-Kill, I have a lot of respect for the guy, but the fact of the matter is that, sure time and money was put into making those costumes, but still, if we're buying the game, why do we have to pay for their overtime?

What I mean is, there are some games that come with like 5 costumes for a character, and we don't pay anything extra for those.

Why should we? We're buying their game, some of us on day one, at full price.

Posted by @16 on February 2, 2010 at 3:45 a.m. #20

Of course they want to make money, I'm not stupid.

But that doesn't change the fact that ChampMode was completely free and made to enhance gameplay.

It is not something to bitch about.

Posted by capcom-logic-rocks on February 2, 2010 at 3:51 a.m. #21

OKAY, mr. S-Kill....

the point is... CAPCOM (not the players, not the websites) said that they would be FREE w/ ssf4.

you shouldn'ta said that if you didn't mean it.

that's all.

oh, and the 3rd alts are homo, anyway.

what would be better would be, like some1 said earlier, to sell per character. what would be EVEN better would be to make more than one alt costume over time and sell those one by one, too.

Posted by Really??? on February 2, 2010 at 3:52 a.m. #22

Thats a strange argument from Seth on the whole disc vs download thing.

I think he'd make a far stronger case by mentioning that having the data on the disc prevents dlc from making our relatively small community even more fragmented (arcade, console, those who won't upgrade to super, etc). In this context it actually makes perfect sense.

Saying 'thats just how the world turns these days kids' however is a bullsh!t argument for a disgusting (and common) practice of locking content away on discs that have already been purchased.

Posted by Kabane on February 2, 2010 at 3:55 a.m. #23

The truth is, on the previous generation these costumes would be an extra to unlock trought gameplay and to give value to the overall game content. That's what is stupid in all this. VERY stupid. And when the big point of this version is being "SUPER", or adding content, it becomes even more stupid.

How will be Street Fighter 5? We get a mugen SFV engine for 60$ and then we have to get all the content by DLC?

Posted by GildingTheLilly on February 2, 2010 at 4:01 a.m. #24

No mater how you twist it, content that was developed as the game was is content that is PART OF THE ORIGINAL GAME.

Its not like Capcom were petitioned post release for more costumes then went ahead and devout extracurricular development time to the extra content and THEN released it. In such a case an additional cost (as it would be for the company to provide the content) would of course be justified.

But as it stands, this Sh!t Killian is just blowing hard out of his b-hind. Nothing more. He's feeding you saps the line Crapcom have told him to feed you.

DLC is a rip-off in most cases. But when it's token throw-away stuff like the clownfits on offer here, it's an utter insult. >_>

Posted by Kazaum on February 2, 2010 at 4:09 a.m. #25

This is retarded, he can't justify paying for some costumes.

They've already sold millions of copies of the game, and now they will be selling the core code/functionality from the first game with new additions to sell more millions.

The skeleton meshes are already made, which is the longest part of creating the character. Everyone knows that re-skinning a model doesn't take any longer then a day or two.

I bought the special edition which cost 80 Euro, and if I buy SSFIV I'm going to pay around 30/40 Euro. So are Capcom saying that even after spending 110/120 Euro and being a loyal fan I still need to pay even more for some costumes?!

F--k you Capcom, this is greed.

Posted by jufe on February 2, 2010 at 4:14 a.m. #26

I think he misinterpreted the whole problem being whether the DLC is on the disk or not. Which IMO is not the case. If the costumes, or rather, the downloadable content is already on the disc, it's more like unlockable content. Thus it would be more fun to actually earn them via different challenges, or if you're too lazy, you could pay for them.

Think about it, Soul Calibur 4 had that idea with the weapons; You could unlock all the weapons in the game by yourself, or you could buy the weapon sets from PSN/XBL. I think Capcom should give that same option to the players regarding the costumes.

Posted by Sooo... on February 2, 2010 at 4:17 a.m. #27

The REAL issue is...
NOT that Capcom is charging for labour costs,
but that the DLC will be OVER-PRICED.
If u look at the quality of the designs, many of them didnt take much thought. And actually making a skin doesnt take much time or skill.
Yet they will charge a price that is disproportionately high compared to the labour costs

Posted by Zan on February 2, 2010 at 4:20 a.m. #28

Xeo: By that logic, we should all be playing DOA Volleyball because it has hundreds of costumes. If you'd prefer fighting games with multiple costumes, go play the ones that offer that.

Posted by Fetal on February 2, 2010 at 4:21 a.m. #29

the DLC for borderlands is actual missions etc...
the DLC for ssf4 is just a pretty/ugly change of clothes.
dont compare apples to oranges.

and the argument for DLC on the disc being charged for or not rages on.

buy a car with doors... but they r locked and you have to get in and out thru the windows.. the car still performs and does all that its ment to .. if you want the doors unlocked.. you need to pay the manufacturer more cash??
i think not.

Posted by B BOY DRAW2 on February 2, 2010 at 4:22 a.m. #30

@ #1...

You're right!!!

Posted by Money on February 2, 2010 at 4:23 a.m. #31

You have to looks at this from a business POV.

Time and resources are money. Extra stuff like costumes--fun, but optional overall--require time and resources, parallel, peripheral to the main development.

I think the core of the argument is that people are pissed because they think they're being nickel and dimed beyond the initial cost to get a "full game".

What Seth is trying to communicate is that the extra costume pack--not considered a piece of the full game--wouldn't even exist if DLC wasn't possible.

And ultimately, while I understand where both sides are coming from I gotta say this: I want Capcom to make money off this game, a lot of money. I want them to make so much money that we see another sooner than we had to wait between 3 and 4. If cosmetic DLC adds to their bottom line so be it.

Posted by Eventhubs takes anal on February 2, 2010 at 4:26 a.m. #32

Gay capcom pure gay.

Posted by Benichon on February 2, 2010 at 4:29 a.m. #33

Is Seth stupid or what? He compare a complete DLC with many new things (Borderland) that require many works with the costums?

Fan who made costumes in PC version prove that it takes not really too much time. Maybe 1 or 2 days... Seth is a joke.

Posted by Stefan on February 2, 2010 at 4:34 a.m. #34

If the biggest problem in your life is alternate costumes for a video game, consider yourself a lucky guy.

Posted by F Capcom on February 2, 2010 at 4:58 a.m. #35

They should do finish Trial hard trial mode unlock character alt costume

Posted by @Stefan on February 2, 2010 at 5:08 a.m. #36

su*** to be you.

Posted by Pfft Typical Company Line Being towed on February 2, 2010 at 5:16 a.m. #37

Add something friggin useful like ggpo for dlc and maybe i might give a f*ck crapcom.

Posted by Agreeing with Stefan on February 2, 2010 at 5:17 a.m. #38

I think consumers nowadays are spoiled,
I rather they charge costumes that don't effect gameplay
than charge DLC that adds more to the game.

Posted by Nei on February 2, 2010 at 5:18 a.m. #39

I dont really get why u get pissed about this? Who cares about the freakin costumes? I would rather pay a lower price and choose myself which contents I want to unlock than having to pay for costumes that cost to make. U guys forget we are dealing with a company here.They give us what we want if we pay them ffs.

Posted by Who cares? on February 2, 2010 at 5:20 a.m. #40

The alt costumes suck anyway. PC SF 4 has proven to be much more worthwhile for people who care about the aesthetics.

Posted by Kelgar on February 2, 2010 at 5:21 a.m. #41

What's the point in reading what seth killian has to say. He will defend capcom no matter what, even if they killed babies to make the costumes...he's paid to do that.
And that compare with Borderlands is just bulls**t.

This is like buying a car with a radio and not being able to turn it on unless you pay a bit extra price.

Posted by Alfarin on February 2, 2010 at 5:23 a.m. #42

It's an optional extra. Like Bacon in a sub. If you dont want it, dont have it. It's as simple at that. So shut the hell up.

Posted by Milner on February 2, 2010 at 5:30 a.m. #43

lets just wait for the Release price. Costumes are pointless anyway. get the skillz if you wanna look good in game

Posted by 4T on February 2, 2010 at 5:32 a.m. #44

I think we need to start a petition for Capcom NOT to create any more costumes. We can do without, if they're wasting resources creating them. I would rather have them spend more time and effort on the core of the game instead of them creating makeup to sell to us after release.

Posted by lang on February 2, 2010 at 5:39 a.m. #45

All the morons who bought the original costumes are to blame here. Those same morons will likely buy them again and continue to allow Capcom to do this.

Posted by $$$$ on February 2, 2010 at 5:41 a.m. #46

@#38: This is not the point... the point is they just shouldnt charge and say that it takes time and efforts for costumes... We all know that skins are pretty fast and easy to do. Seth is being hypocrite when saying that we pay for the time it took to make them. They only charge for costumes because it is a financial decision.

Posted by I'm rich!!! on February 2, 2010 at 5:54 a.m. #47

I guess I'm the only one who will buy all the costumes. You know why because its really not that much money and everyone will see me online in my fancy new costumes and want them so they can be just as cool as me. Tough luck on all of you tight wads who won't buy anything because they are so frugal and broke.

Posted by Sorry losers... on February 2, 2010 at 5:58 a.m. #48

They had to release CE free so everyone can play. If they charged then maybe half would be able to enjoy CE. The costumes do not affect anything what so ever. Its a way to make money from those who want them and can afford them. Not for low income pieces of trash that whine about everything in their sad existence. They just make everyone who can't afford them jealous and enrage them so they do crimes and drugs because their lifes are really lame.

Posted by Nei on February 2, 2010 at 6 a.m. #49

Man, I'm getting tired of ppl bashing at companies because they think consumers DESERVE things. There are more costs than just making the game u know, capcom has an administration that needs to be paid, marketing and they also NEED to make profit for taking risks. They charge for costumes because they know there's a demand but they also know alot of ppl arent willing to pay extra for them.

If u dislike this so much then dont buy the game when it comes out.

Posted by Master-Bader on February 2, 2010 at 6:08 a.m. #50

Dear S-Kill.
Weak.

Ps. Eat sh*t

Posted by iMatt of Logic on February 2, 2010 at 6:12 a.m. #51

Let's put this in perspective for the trolls.

SSF4 underwent these following changes.

*Core Gameplay
- New Physics system with a wall-rebound/bounce system
- Addition of new Characters
- Full Character Balancing with all the different nerfs/buffs
- Additional Selectable Ultras for all characters
- Tweaked Hitboxes
- Many more things in the code I can't begin to try and fathom.

*Aesthetics
- New Backgrounds and environments
- New Animations for the environments
- New Costumes (will get to that in a minute)
- Characters have been touched for better stand-out appeal

*Online
- Complete Rewrite of the Net-code
- Full featured replay recording system.
- Online-voyer system for watching games.
- Tournament system
- Team Games

*Bonuses
- Arcade Mini-games (Car-destroying and Barrel Breaking)

Now I'm a programmer and an independent designer. This kind of stuff is the most tedious type of development a team can get into. This isn't like just punch in numbers via notepad, this is full all out changes to the game each time you want to tweak character.

CAPCOM is releasing SSF4 for $39.99. For a budget price you're getting an entirely new game. To give you an idea. This is like complaining that $60.00 for Halo 3 is too much because It's Halo 2 with more stuff.

Now you're complaining that paying $10-12 for over 30 characters worth of alternate costumes. From a graphical standpoint, 30 new costumes for a single character (not to mention the clothing animation process) take a seriously long time to create. (They were working on SSF4 before SF4 even came out).

Seriously guys, show some f--king respect for these guys. They make great games which we like to play. They listen to the fans and take in considerable feedback on game changes. Show some support for the games you enjoy.

Simple as that.

Posted by iMatt of Logic on February 2, 2010 at 6:17 a.m. #52

iMatt of Logic = corporate shill sell out

Posted by Telvanni on February 2, 2010 at 6:21 a.m. #53

#1 hit the point on the head for me. I don't mind paying extra money for costumes. I mind paying extra money for costumes I don't want.

Posted by Comment37=WIN on February 2, 2010 at 6:22 a.m. #54

Indeed.

The very fact this sh!t's getting attention is FAR more than the joke content in question deserves.

Peeps should just ignore the garbage on offer here and if few enough people buy it, Crapcom'll release it for fee to try salvage some positive 'free DLC' related feedback.

And more importantly, maybe next time they may make something that is at least remotely money and bandwidth worthy. >_>

Posted by @52 on February 2, 2010 at 6:23 a.m. #55

They are just skins and the player made skins on the PC look (imo) way better than the ones made by Capcom. Some of your core gameplay and on-line should been included when the game was released a year ago.

Posted by cAPCOMREP of Logic on February 2, 2010 at 6:29 a.m. #56

GTFO of here with your 'Ooooh! You script kiddies don't understand what goes into making a game' diarrhoea.

If you release a game, you release it COMPLETE!
If you pay for a game, you pay for it COMPLETE!

If the 'tards at Crapcompany don't understand this concept then to hell with them. They won't be getting my money.
Which of course won't worry them.

...Unlike the vastly increased seed-count for this game at torrent sites all over the net! xD

Posted by a la carte on February 2, 2010 at 6:32 a.m. #57

They should just strip away everything and let us download what we want to be in the game. Don't play single play? Don't download it! Just want to play a few select characters? Pay only for those. Don't want any crappy licensed music? Forego it and put your own on. This way the game should only cost however much we want to spend on it. Instead of this silly $40 base price + $40 in additional content.

Posted by McBison on February 2, 2010 at 6:36 a.m. #58

Tekken 6 and VF 5 have customizable outfits for free! In those games I can make my character look the way I WANT...FOR FREE!! I dont get it, T6 has a ton of characters yet each one has so many clothing assets. Sure they were in the arcade but...

Seth is just saying what he has to. I bet he feels the same way as most of us consumers.

Well whatever, I never bought the costumes for SF4 and I wont for this one. And thats ok. Great gameplay is enough for me.

Posted by @58 on February 2, 2010 at 6:39 a.m. #59

Hahaha nailed it, reverse engineer the dlc, how about that crapcom

Posted by KOKOMOMO on February 2, 2010 at 6:40 a.m. #60

iMatt of Logic

TRUE DAT TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!

Posted by HyperbattleGO on February 2, 2010 at 6:45 a.m. #61

I don't mind paying for the new costumes. I'm a fan of the game and I like to have everything available for it. I like to have options for anyone that plays with me I mean with new games now and the trend of having new skins and whatnot makes the game a more enjoyable experience for me and others. I like to show my appreciation for a game I really like. :D

I've always known that these games cost money to make and take a lot of effort. So I support the decision to charge for the costumes. I respect developers and their efforts. I bought the last batch of DLC and I plan to buy the new. It's annoying seeing everyone whine about this because its just showing how lately a lot of people don't show any appreciation for games anymore! Capcom's not looking for you to get the DLC right away maybe they'll bundle it again and lower the price or something. If you don't want it don't bother.

Posted by freekill on February 2, 2010 at 7:04 a.m. #62

i guess the major problem isnt that it costs additional money but that these costumes are already on the Blueray (DVD, whatever) and we have to pay AGAIN to unlock something we already hold in hands.
It's like buying a car and if we want to use the spare tire we have to pay again.. its already in their, i mean i dont go to a shop and buy a new tire, that would be ok because i dont already have it.

Just make costumes downloadable and not on the actual game. That would be less irritating

Posted by WorstGiefEVER on February 2, 2010 at 7:09 a.m. #63

Companies need to make money to stay in business. You complaining kiddies will realise this when you enter the real world. It's that simple.

Posted by Phillip on February 2, 2010 at 7:09 a.m. #64

Wow, I'm being quoted on Eventhubs. Crazy.

Although, it's a tad mistaken, seeing as Seth doesn't DIRECTLY address my answer, but rather someone else's.

Still, it's cool.

Posted by zUkUu on February 2, 2010 at 7:16 a.m. #65

seth is wrong.
Boarderlands developer were finished with the actual game when they started to work on the DLCs, even thou it happen before the release. There is a timespan of several month from the gold status till the release.

And that's ok, if not all ressources are utilized, start with some extra.
But capcom FEATURES ready to go DLC een before half of the game is finished. they put EXTRA ressources on it, and develop simultaneously to the main game.

Regardless I'll buy the alts for sure. But I hope that the game industry will make some laws against this milking.

Posted by WorstGiefEVER on February 2, 2010 at 7:20 a.m. #66

Pfft DLC is a being exploited by corporates, it's a bullsh*t gimmck they can use to extract an extra 15$ from customers when it can have lgitimate uses. It's like paying to see a movie, but having to pay extra to see a specific scene. IT's a slippery slope people shouldnt let companies lide down morally with no dam accountability.

Posted by lala on February 2, 2010 at 7:21 a.m. #67

If you want the costumes, buy it. If you don't want them, then don't. It's as simple as that! Quit bitchin', bunch of ingrates. Always looking for a handout.

Posted by @lala on February 2, 2010 at 7:25 a.m. #68

glib interpretation of things, try using ur brain

Posted by Boomshakalaka on February 2, 2010 at 7:26 a.m. #69

Seth hear me out man. Money isn't the issue. Its only a issue if you want us to pay online for dlc..why not just make the game cost more 49.99 and have the costumes and colors included.... when we are at tournaments or ranbats majority of the time the costume or color isn't available and it really irritates many of us. Make a batch of games with the the costomes/colors special bonus etc... on a 49.99 or hck a 59.99 money doesn't matter if its worth it but for me to buy the game and than buy stuff online that only works on my console is a no go for me. I only pick a set of costume that actually looks like someone took their time working on.... seth to be honest some of the pc modders did a hell of alot better job than the ssf4 sneak preview of the alternative costumes...why is that set..why... the only ones good is barlog, guile (military) and cody mainly everyone else is a costume swap (blanka with dans clothes...) or just clothing that resembles something for its recent costume..

Posted by What? on February 2, 2010 at 7:26 a.m. #70

If you don't want to buy the costumes, don't. If you think having a certain costume makes you a better player then there is something wrong with you. We've gone many years with fighting games where characters only had one outfit so why give a damn now?

Posted by Elk on February 2, 2010 at 7:27 a.m. #71

I like how he kind of ducked the question by saying creation start date, and not creation end date.

The problem with paying for unlocks isn't that they were started BEFORE the game was released.

The problem is they were FINISHED before they were released, finalized, and put on the disc.

I pay for that disc. Forcing me to pay again to unlock osme of the content on that disc is BS. I understamd Seth is a mouthpiece, and his point about only charging for eyecandy, and not things that change the game (like Champ mode) But it doesn't change the fact that I am paying twice for the costumes, because I am buying the disc, with the costume content. It's not like Capcom started on the costumes during development, but couldn't finish on time. That I would pay a little extra for, though I would be suspicious considering how greedy CACOM can be.

I just wish Seth wouldn't BS us. We know he is a gamer, and no matter how much the marketting suits explain how much of a good thing unlock charges are, he should still realize how ridiculous it is, Capcom mouth or not. How about "Yeah, I agree, it's already on the disc you bought, but at least the only thing you get charged for is something unrelated to gameplay."

Posted by Bert-oh! on February 2, 2010 at 7:37 a.m. #72

Get over it people if you want them buy it if you are mad about it don't buy it everyone needs to stop crying about it

Posted by Hooded on February 2, 2010 at 7:39 a.m. #73

@57
The game is complete the costumes are extra. Its like getting extra fries when you buy kfc you have to pay for it.

Posted by greedy on February 2, 2010 at 7:46 a.m. #74

developers (and here seth unfortunately) still don't get it. Its enuff paying $60 for a game but then you gotta pay more to actually get the 'full' game experience (dlc). In this case, its not like theyd have too much work to do, its only skins running on a game engine they've been using for how many years now?

Posted by Hooded on February 2, 2010 at 7:51 a.m. #75

@greedy
WTF are you talking about you still get the full game experience...Or does the customs make the gameplay different. I like that you have to pay to unlock them. Its let those who like to show their appreciation for the game do so.

Posted by Rawr on February 2, 2010 at 8:21 a.m. #76

Just pirate the game or hack the costume files if you don't think that it's fair to pay for a cheat code to unlock content on your disc.

It's what everyone whom respect themselves more than game companies will do.

The software market is one of the greediest markets alive. We can share magazines, newspapers, tools, foods, bikes, clothing, invite friends to watch blue-ray movies or cable on your new HD-TV, but god forbid if you want to borrow a game from your friend instead of going to the nearest store to purcharse your own copy, that's a CRIME!

The major problem are the suckers who don't like being called idiots (despite acting like ones) and regurgitating whatever sales PR the companies feed them in order to justify paying again for content you already bought so they can feel good about their stupid decisions.

Posted by M on February 2, 2010 at 8:23 a.m. #77

Its like the re5 dlc your just paying for an unlock code thats on the disk already

Posted by m on February 2, 2010 at 8:24 a.m. #78

Just got to choose if you want it or not

Posted by IrPanda on February 2, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. #79

@m
Apparently its not that simple lol.

Posted by @ Irpanda on February 2, 2010 at 8:33 a.m. #80

I know XD but in my opinion the re5 dlc didnt seem worth it to mean I mean how are you gonna play vs its not a run and gun game you just sit there taking the shots where as sf4 dlc isnt exactly game changeing either but got it myself,its all a matter of prefrence

Posted by @41 on February 2, 2010 at 8:37 a.m. #81

No, your analogy is wrong. It would be like charging for your radio to glow/sparkle. They aren't charging you for core functionality, but for cosmetics.

All you whiny faggots need to shut the fück up. If you don't like it, don't buy the goddamn costumes and stop being whiny bitches about it. You are INCREDIBLY overreacting about such a minor feature.

Posted by Jabber Jaw on February 2, 2010 at 8:37 a.m. #82

So, let me get this straight: If I buy the extra costumes for Street Fighter 4, do I have to be a member of XBox Live to use them? A friend of mine said that you can't use the extra costumes unless you're connected to Live even if you've paid for them. That's just wrong, man..

But you know what? I'll just use costume one and not care about alternate outfits and colors.

Posted by nah! on February 2, 2010 at 8:38 a.m. #83

I prefer the functional stuff to be free, while the superficial stuff I can care less. If capcom is going to mug stupid superficial ppl with dlc as this, I say go for it! Their money are only going to end in the next awesome game and make sure the artists and talent (even PR and business is talent) can eat and live very happy. Which only makes future games potentially better.

Posted by Wrath on February 2, 2010 at 8:39 a.m. #84

So Super Street Fighter IV could potentially cost more than the original game...! Whatever, the thing that pisses me off is that you are paying more for information that you have already purchased. Seth, that is the definition of a rip off.

Posted by People are idiots on February 2, 2010 at 8:41 a.m. #85

Oh so we've spent money on this but ithink a good business plan would be to give it away, while we're at it why don't we flush some thousands down the toilet.

Posted by ??? on February 2, 2010 at 8:44 a.m. #86

#16: "obvious is one thing - they want to make money and they do not care about anyone's wishes and thoughts"

They make money by retaining customers, and they do that by caring about customers' "wishes and thoughts." You can see this in the way they provide us with cool extras to buy if we want them, and bother to answer lame-o complaints from people like you.

None of you have given a single sensible reason why Capcom owes you free content and should have graphics guys working to design costumes for you for free. None of you can give a single sensible reason why download time would somehow be better than having the costumes on the disc. None of you can give a single sensible reason why you should have full access to everything on a disc without unlocking it by whatever method the developers determine, just like in all other games.

I don't know when this sense of whiny entitlement started in the Street Fighter community. I remember people actually being excited when new versions of Street Fighter 2 and Alpha came out. They were happy the series they liked was successful and that they could play new versions if they wanted to. Now, all people do is complain that everything isn't given to them for free, and say "CAPCOM WANTS MONEY!!!111" as if they just found out their girlfriend cheated on them. What do you think pays for more Street Fighter? Even beyond that, why do you deserve anything for free?

Posted by At Rawr on February 2, 2010 at 8:44 a.m. #87

Are you really comparing pirating a game to borrowing someone's movie or his newspaper? Are you stupid? You don't recreate the magazine from scratch when you borrow it, you don't get a machine to sew a copy of the shirt someone gives you, you use it and then you give it back, but eventually if you want your own, you pay for it. Pirating is pirating, which is fine, you want to download because you don't have the cash, that's understandable, but don't try to play it off like you're doing yourself some kind of justice or "giving it back to the developers". You're not some rebel, your just a guy who doesn't want to shell out the cash. Jesus, pirate the game but don't try to make it out as anything more than that.

On the other hand, I'll be buying it, not because I respect the game company more than myself (what kind of claim was that anyway? lol) but because I feel that it's worth the purchase even without the costumes. It was money from HD Remix that brought us SF4, it was money from Street Fighter 4 that brought us Super and it'll be money that'll bring us the next Darkstalkers, or VS, or whatever you're over there on the other threads whining about not having. Hell, it was money that gave you kiddies the characters from Third Strike and the rest of the SFHF cast that you were crying over when SF4 first came out. So there you go, I guess I'm a sucker for putting down my money for a game that could have well been nothing more than new costumes. When I'm playing it won't make any difference.

Posted by 124354 on February 2, 2010 at 8:45 a.m. #88

Just the fact that they lied about it being free, is what pisses me off

Posted by At Wrath on February 2, 2010 at 8:52 a.m. #89

Oh noes!!!! Not paying more for a game with more content!!! How awful and unfair! Those greedy bastards are expecting us to pay 10 dollars more for a revamped game, how awful!

Christ, you guys are so whiny, what have you guys done that makes you think Capcom should just get on your knees and gobble your spunk for you? Yes it potentially could cost more... if you didn't buy the costumes for SF4. It's DLC you can pay for it if you want, I didn't see people crying when the other costumes came out and the ones here are far more intricate (I don't care what skinners say, someone should wise up and understand that their costumes move like cloth, they're not some stagnant plastic coating). And what's all this about paying more for something you've already unlocked? If I remember right you're getting everything handed to you, you can transfer costumes and well.... that's all that needed to be unlocked. Are you guys just crying to cry more?

Posted by so in the end everyone would want nothing then? on February 2, 2010 at 8:58 a.m. #90

so it seems like most of the whiners here are complaining about paying; well capcom didnt have to make street fighter 4 then; and like the article said....it cost money to do these things so giving them away for free would hurt the company and not able to put out any games at all and all the whiners and complainers would be happy....NO MORE CAPCOM

Posted by Negative on February 2, 2010 at 8:59 a.m. #91

@91

Capcom didn't lie to you - Capcom never said they were free. A French site, Gamekult.com, said they were free. Gamekult.com=/=Capcom

Posted by @90 on February 2, 2010 at 9:02 a.m. #92

this has nothing to do with piracy whatsoever, it's about corporate greed

Posted by seth sounds mad XDD on February 2, 2010 at 9:10 a.m. #93

good point of view but if need be, IMO there should be both an optional pack(to select which alt costumes you wanna buy) and the one theyve launched already you know the whole pack o character alts. but eh thats just me THE CONSUMER>.......

Posted by Smorgasboard on February 2, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #94

Actually, I applaud Capcom for being able to sell alternate costumes. Any idea that generates a profit for a company is always a good idea for them.
They know that all those people who whine about the costumes and try to justify that it should be free are still going to buy SSF4 when it comes out. And if they don't buy the costumes too, nobody cares!
So, good job Capcom.

Posted by You People Are Idiots on February 2, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #95

Quit whining about the damn costumes. They have ZERO impact on the gameplay. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't. No one is forcing you to pay for something that is superficial and has no impact on the actual quality of the game. Not having the costumes will not break the game or make the game less fun. If you honestly feel that insulted over having to pay for the costumes, again, DON'T BUY THEM. Simple as that. But I guarantee most of the whiners will anyway, making all this a moot point.
They're not screwing you over, or ripping you off. They didn't lie about it being free, because Capcom said nothing about it being free or not. People saw a rumor, took it out of proportion, and ran with it. That isn't Seth's, Sven's, Capcom's, or anyone else's fault except for the people that will believe anything without official confirmation.

And quit attacking Seth Killian as if he raped your mother or something. He answered a question and now he's a fag? Grow up you f***ing children.

Posted by Kuei on February 2, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #96

It should be on the disk because if I bring the game to a friends house and want to use a Alt costume I can't because it's not on the disk not even as a download. Add to that the costumes seems to already be done and they haven't started with the disc-production yet. There is no reason why they're not on the disc even if it's just eye-candy.

Posted by F on February 2, 2010 at 9:16 a.m. #97

The reason the costumes HAVE to be on the disk is because otherwise they would create problems online. Think about it. If the costumes had to be actual downloads (as opposed to DLC "unlocks"), it would mean that the online community would have to be separated by those who have the DLC costumes, and those who don't. Or you'd have to sit through a long loading/downloading period every time you face a player that is using a costume you don't have. And both of those scenarios would be retarded.

Posted by ITS A COSTUME!! on February 2, 2010 at 9:18 a.m. #98

like really, are costumes that important for you guys....i mean its cool and all if you are into cosplaying so thats probably as close you can get...but really its just a costume. i bet 90% of you guys dont dress up for halloween so why would dressing up a blanka in dan's gi be that important?

Posted by Mikhal on February 2, 2010 at 9:20 a.m. #99

A bunch of retards a lot of you are. Not once has Capcom themselves mentioned that all the DLC costumes were free. You probably had a bit of misinformation somehow or need to get some reading comprehension. Anyone expecting them to be free obviously does not know them well enough given what they've already done with SF4. They are running a business, so I can't blame them for that. Would I like them to be free? Of course. Will I buy any DLC costumes given the fact? Probably not. Costumes aren't important and the lack of them will not affect my enjoyment of the game in any way.

To make it clear, the only things regarding free DLC they DID announce so far is the following:

- Super Classic Pack until July 1st - 3rd alts for Guile, Dhalsim, Blanka, Gen, and Fei-Long

- Tournament Mode - Yes. Tournament mode was announced to be DLC long ago.

Posted by Kuei on February 2, 2010 at 9:21 a.m. #100

To add to my previous post: What Capcom did with SF4s and RE5s download is pretty pissy. The costume packs on 360 were like 300 kb in size which is like the size of a .jpg. There is no way that 300 kb of information is enouch for 4-5 extra costumes which means that the costumes are already on the disc you just have to pay extra to be abele to use them. So as a consumer you don't own everything that's on the disc you payed for.

Posted by SO WHAT on February 2, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. #101

dont buy it then

Posted by tsububububbu on February 2, 2010 at 9:33 a.m. #102

OMFG AS I SAID SOOOO MANY F UCKING TIMES: BUY IT MEANS YOU SUPPORT THAT CRAP ... TO HELL WITH STUPID DLC's !!!

Posted by @ 105 and all the whiners and unappreciative on February 2, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. #103

dont be mad because you can afford to purchase any dlc...stick to your free demos

Posted by DanceInTheDark on February 2, 2010 at 9:46 a.m. #104

I'm gonna buy all the costumes...every single one...just to have them...

Posted by confused on February 2, 2010 at 9:51 a.m. #105

The thing that made this very misleading for myself and probably most people, is the fact that during the earlier weeks when one of the first SSFIV trailers came out it had I believe 3-5 core advertisements in the trailers. #1 BRAND NEW ULTRA MOVE, #2 NEW COSTUME!!!!, #3 NEW CHARACTERS, #4 NEW LEVELS

Posted by Sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 9:53 a.m. #106

buying costumes would not be a problem if capcom allows sharing of custom custumes.

Seth annoys me because he shares his stupid 2 cents and thinks that majority of people would accept it.

What capcom is doing is basically like you buying a remote and the PIP function is not usable until you pay extra. It is not a "core" feature. Whatever. When you buy something and it's in your hand and technically you should own whatever it is in it.

People here are acting liek a retard and say "if you don't like it then don't buy it" That, to me, is a passive way to say I am ok with Capcom ripping me off and I think consumers shouldn't get ripped off

Posted by Confused again on February 2, 2010 at 9:53 a.m. #107

forgot to conclude. Basically what I am saying is by seeing these things advertised on the games trailer I would think all these things would come with the game on the disc at no additional cost. Maybe it should have said new DLC or something along those lines. I hope this bonus capcom is talking about for people that already own SFIV is something worth it. To me DLC that should be paid for should be extra levels, expansions for games that have them, possibly a new character at the most.

Posted by Yes Sir! on February 2, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. #108

If you hate DLC then don't buy it. This is like buying a plate of food and then if you want to eat the brownie that is already on your plate you have to get up and pay for the brownie again. There is always a way to pull the info off the disk and use it without paying Capcom.

I would rather pay Capcom for there time and effort. After it is all said and done it will be like you payed full price for the game.

Posted by werewolfgold on February 2, 2010 at 9:56 a.m. #109

Even outside of the on the disc/after the game has been put out DLC, my main grievance as has been stated before is the fact that I have all of these other 3D fighters where characters have had 1, 2, 3+ alternate costumes and that just came with the original game.

Yet, even when it was SF4 at standard price they were charging people money for 1 alternate costume.

It's not the most important part of the game. But, this has to do with a standard that many separate franchises have seemed to adhere to.

If you don't want them, don't buy them. But, everybody should just have them when they buy the game...

Posted by Viper's baby daddy on February 2, 2010 at 9:59 a.m. #110

While I respect capcom's natural and understandable desire to make money, I have to disagree with Seth. The whole DLC business model is flawed as a whole and leaves consumers feeling jipped more often than not. Content that would otherwise be impossible to fit onto the original release disc due to time and space constraints is justifiable as DLC but, content cherry picked to become DLC from the finished product is not. It opens a pandora's box of bad business habits designed to squeeze as much money as possible from the consumer.
Imagine buying a fully loaded car withh all options included for a low base price and being told by the dealer that they can afford to part with it at said low price but that you can't use any of the included options without paying for them later? Nobody would be ok with that.
Clearly the cost and size of the DLC is insignificant enough to be included on the retail disc. It should be available. If they want compensation for the measily outfits that were probably thrown together in one week by a lone artist then hike the price up another 5 bucks. Just be men about it and stop treating the consumers like idiots. Will it be worth it? No. But they do have the right.

Posted by YO YO YO on February 2, 2010 at 10 a.m. #111

TELL seth COMPARE to any other fighting games out there.!!! costumes are suppose to be FREEE. VF5 to me GOT the BEST custumize Costumes out there!! and its was free with the GAME!!!

STUPID set STUpid crapcom trying to get money from FANS!!! who bought SF4 already last year!!

Posted by Sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 10:03 a.m. #112

not to mention, it's lame to have a SSF4 in the first place. And Capcom's effort in making it is not worth of 40 dollars.

Posted by Youguysaremorons on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 a.m. #113

On PC its basically replacing the colors of a texture, or a "skin" with yours.

A Capcom original costume requires modeling, normals and texturing.

Also who gives a damn about costumes? Back in the day there were none and we were happy. If you want it buy it, if not dont.

Posted by Sethisstupid on February 2, 2010 at 10:08 a.m. #114

Okay, if the content that is already done and it cost money to make why not just charge more for the game. It doesnt make any sense. why would you even advertise this in trailers if its not something that comes with the game. it was pointless.

Posted by Get a job on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 a.m. #115

stop playing video games all day get off yor @sses and make some money goddamit! Seems like the SF community is one broke @ss group of people man. You guys are broke because PS3/xbox is like 75% of your lives. MAN UP!!! All of you will grow out of this one day and will have to face the real world. Arguing over costumes??

Posted by Jaf on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 a.m. #116

Capcom's a business, and the horse is long dead

Posted by Why bother on February 2, 2010 at 10:11 a.m. #117

Sigh* case and point is that people are still going to buy this game.

Thats all Capcom really cares about you buying. If you dont buy the costumes so be it. I really just want the core gameplay, thats it.

All you "Crapcom" people should probably hang yourselves with a rope labeled "oxymoron" You're on a board about Capcom games and you all probably play them too. Get a life and quit being cheap mama's boy without jobs.

Boycotting a video game company for DLC is like boycotting a movie company for offering more features on a Bluray than a DVD. You fail at the argument off top.

I guess people want Super Costume Party 4

Posted by sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 10:12 a.m. #118

yes let's get more jobs so we can afford it when capcom decided that playing its games with a stick is also optional and needs to be paid.

Posted by no on February 2, 2010 at 10:15 a.m. #119

It is not about the money its about the way companies more in general are treating customers over DLC. SSFIV is a good example but even other games that are out seem very questionable with DLC that often leave customers feeling jipped and wondering why the hell could this not come with the game. Something as smalls as costumes used to be unlocked by doing a special task or beating a game (CHECK LAST GEN GAMES BEFORE THIS DLC ERA) you would do stuff WITHIN THE DISC and UNLOCK extra stuff NOT pay for more. Even with resident evil 5 that was the worst ever you had to pay for online versus mode.....Another Questionable move by capcom. I mean we pay for xbox live, psn and pc is free but the fact that they want more $ for online play is stupid and more recently for silly outfits. Only justifiable thing is expansions to the game or possibly down the road if fans demanded new characters that had to be made and added to the game paying for stuff like that would be fine.

Posted by Ideas on February 2, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #120

Screw these new alts...some of these are really ugly...like Chuns?! I mean WTF..

Capcom should allow customizable alts...just have a little design option...like in Forza...or hackable like the PC version...A LOT of those alts are so much nicer than the ones coming out from Capcom..

I will NOT pay extra money for these...It feels being ripped off because it is already in the freaking game.... I would rather you mark up the price an extra $5 and give us all the alts altogether.

Understand this from the customer's perspective..

Posted by Alcedes on February 2, 2010 at 10:25 a.m. #121

If you don't want to support capcom, just buy the game used. That'll send a clear message. Goozex FTW.

Posted by LOl his connection on February 2, 2010 at 10:31 a.m. #122

30 minutes to DL that. fag must have a sh!t connection what a loser. not our fault it took him 30 mins to DL. QQ moar seth you ginger punk ass

Posted by @no on February 2, 2010 at 10:36 a.m. #123

The fact of the matter is Capcom is blatantly squeezing extra money off of consumers. How is not about the money? If DLC were free, we wouldn't be having uproar like it is now.

Posted by Cynicism on February 2, 2010 at 10:37 a.m. #124

At its best in his answer, not to mention a dumb comparison.

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 10:43 a.m. #125

Seth's Attempt to justify it by us not having to wait 30min for the DLC to finish is just laughable. You can't wait 30min you impatient bastard. The truth is, there is no justifying this nonsense.

Posted by sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 10:44 a.m. #126

by his own example, capcom must have ssf4 planned way before sf4 was released...

god he's such a tool.

Posted by my question is on February 2, 2010 at 10:49 a.m. #127

for your other games; do you purchase the dlc...like guitar hero and rock band? whats an extra 15 bucks anyways...people didnt complain about buying the te sticks for 150 and then paying more to mod them up...it seems like the people that are complaining are 15 year old kids who needs to beg mommy and daddy to buy everything.

Posted by sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. #128

after 126 posts, u still don't get that it's the practice that people are having an issue with?

Posted by WHAT THE HECK!!! on February 2, 2010 at 10:55 a.m. #129

YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF BABYS!!!!!! IF THEY WERE TO SELL THE GAME FOR FULL PRICE WITH EVERYTHING YOU WOULD GRIPE! YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY!!!!!!THATS WHY THEY MAKE GAMES. IF YOU WANT TO WHINE ABOUT PAYING MORE FOR SOME OUTFITS.....DONT BUY THEM!!!! ALSO IF IT WERE'NT FOR SOME OF YOU CHEEP ASS DOWNLOADING A RIPPED COPY OF THE SF4 WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN THEM. BUT WHEN THEY GET NUMBERS LIKE 1.8 MILLION I SAY SCREW YOU GUYS ALSO PAY FOR THEM!!!!!!CHEEP ASS

Posted by xenon on February 2, 2010 at 11:08 a.m. #130

meh more nickel and diming. These things used to be earned by playing the game. Companies have simply taken that out and found another way to charge us extra. No matter how you word it, that is the simple truth. It's like that with everything these days, games aren't exclusive to this garbage practice.

Posted by Pakman on February 2, 2010 at 11:13 a.m. #131

Costume DLC should be the free type of DLC.

Stuff like extra missions or levels would be acceptable to pay for. In such cases the developers are either pushed for time, not enough memory on disc or it is indeed too costly and they need reimbursment.

Granted, ssf4 is being sold at a cheaper price and that does soften the blow on your wallet (certainly when compared to halo odst, which was nothing more than a 4 hour expansion pack sold at FULL PRICE). But, consider the first iterration, which was sold at full rrp, where the content was actually already on the disc and you were essentially paying for an unlock...Somehow, I don't think that wound has healed fully amongst customers.

Posted by SethOwnsU on February 2, 2010 at 11:19 a.m. #132

Here's the real reason: Capcom needs to make the extra money back from the bomb that is Dark void.

Posted by Peag on February 2, 2010 at 11:27 a.m. #133

This echoes that RE5 nonsense where you had to PAY FOR GAME MODES. Weak.

I, for one, will NOT be purchasing the extra costumes because:

1. They SUCK. The designs are horrible. The fan-generated PC skins are a million times better, and those are FREE

2. Way over-priced. I still haven't ever gotten the extra costumes for SF4, and never will.

If you guys wanna see how DLC SHOULD be done, look at Burnout Paradise. How much AMAZING FREE content did Criterion Games pump out (POST-release, people!!) for their adoring fans? And the content they DID charge for was pretty reasonable, from what I remember.

I'll be picking up SSF4, but I'm not going to pay to 'unlock' something you could have 'unlocked' for me before publishing the game disc...

Posted by flicken u capcom on February 2, 2010 at 11:28 a.m. #134

as for paying for a game with more content... we had to pay the original with bare content no alts meh stages half assed story mode. etc.

While as SSF4 will cost 39-49 it still adds to over 100 bucks not including the 20 bucks for the original alts.. the 20+ for the new ones costing over 140+ for the complete game...

While as companies like Bioware do this.. They make actual DLC not just skins..and offer them free if you purchase the game....they also provode free dlc from pre-orders etc..

While as Capcom is selling "SKINS" some of which are terrible some are cool but grouped in a pack to be over-priced....

They also offer a "free pack" for buying the game but it only offers what they pick and it's obvious that they're only giving us the least popular pack of all.

No Cody or Balrog for free??

in the end the game ends up costing over 100 total if you bought SF4 an ssf4...not including alts and joypads/stick.

Capcom is trying to sucker the hardcore and not trying to influence a larger audience.. the casuals will always say this is a rip-off...the hardocre will always fill ripped off but buy anyways...and this game will barely sell under 2 million maybe even under 1 million....due to developers not trying to pull in every consumer...but trying to make profit out of nickel and diming the few who would...

good thing i can take the alts for free from a friend.

Posted by liars on February 2, 2010 at 11:36 a.m. #135

They say Super will cost less than SFIV, but at the end with the DLC (which is already on the disc), we will pay just as much as the original game. Sneaky sneaky...

Posted by Balrog on February 2, 2010 at 11:44 a.m. #136

MY FIGHT MONEY...

Posted by xXxSenshixXx on February 2, 2010 at 11:50 a.m. #137

I like the Costumes.

Posted by BalNig on February 2, 2010 at 12:08 p.m. #138

I dont mind paying for costumes, i just hope they have the discounted all in 1 pack again

Posted by X on February 2, 2010 at 12:18 p.m. #139

John on the CAPCOM forum said it best,
they should sell 2 kinds, one game without that can later be purchased as dlc, and one with a slightly higher price but has everything on it no dlc its all on it without downloading anything.

Posted by Saraphan80 on February 2, 2010 at 12:21 p.m. #140

Half an hour for Dr. Ned? Seth's internet connection sucks lol.

Posted by EmcFlippy on February 2, 2010 at 12:32 p.m. #141

what's the big deal?...they're just costumes...if you really want them buy them if not then don't...simple and easy solution for everyone :-)

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 12:40 p.m. #142

Its the principle of the issue. SF fans are massively involved and loyal. All the community building, tournament organizing, video making and so on that we do helps the sales of the SF series and Capcom. Lets face it, SF rules the fighting game scene BECAUSE OF THE STRENGTH OF THE COMMUNITY (and not because its the best fighter out there). Its almost like a team effort between the community and the developer. We want more SF so we create a demographic of SF players and make the scene something fun to be a part of.

So whats Capcom do? The shadest, lowest, slap across the face move I've ever seen in gaming. Its almost like they are totally disconnected from how DLC works AND a complete disconnect from what this scene has done for their franchise in the US. All this can be summarized by one large issue... Capcom is a Japanese company and we can't hold a Japanese company to the same standards of other DLC releasing done in the US. Look at TF2, any Bethesda title, Borderlands, and countless other western market games. DLC isn't a way to nickel and dime and slap your costumer in the face, but a way to sell mini-sequels/addition to current game content (addition to current game content... why does that sound so ironic... OH SSF4!). I really feel like Capcom doesn't understand the current DLC standard we have in the states and is making a move which a complete misunderstanding of the medium. It shows a complete misunderstanding of the foreign market, but then again we are talking about Japan.

Next up, I feel bad for Seth because in the end hes going to look like a douche bag. He was a icon in the gaming scene... one of our champions. Now hes working for Capcom (woo! rah!). But what happens when the important people overseas make bad moves? Seth is forced to back an unbackable position. Hes forced to turn to his former brothern and fumble through unreasonable arguments in order to make his new master not look like a collective of dicks. Its like an atheist forced to argue for the existence of a god because his girlfriend is in the room and becomes highly offended when her faith is trampled (and we all know how fast some people will turn on the truth when pussy (money) is at stake). I'm of course referring to Seth's god awful Borderlands analogy. I'm not even going into how funny it is that he related buying a 10$ DLC that adds hours of new game content that wasn't finished at the time of release to 25$ of cosmetic alterations that were finished by the release AND are already on the disc! I could keep going on about this but I won't because I'd like to forget that he even attempted this argument.

And we were already told it would be free.

And we were already shown the costumes in a "feature trailer". (Oh s--t does this mean I will have to pay for new ultras, characters, and stages seen in the trailer!?!)

I'm done for now.

Posted by Labia Minora-Majora on February 2, 2010 at 12:45 p.m. #143

Are we still talking about this?!?

DON'T BUY IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT! Having it doesn't enhance your gameplay any more of any less.

Posted by Wow on February 2, 2010 at 12:51 p.m. #144

I love how he said before that they cant add new characters via DLC because it isnt fair to people who cant get them, but its perfectly fine for costumes. Seriously wtf?

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 12:57 p.m. #145

@145

You're are actually wrong here though. If you have downloaded say... Ibuki and I haven't, we can't play each other because my disc doesn't have the ability to load and run your Ibuki. So to be fair to Capcom, you are actually wrong here.

Posted by SugaFree on February 2, 2010 at 1:04 p.m. #146

You're a loser if you pay for costumes.

Posted by LoL on February 2, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. #147

To all the people telling others to get a job:

Wake up. You're not an unique snowflake.

Getting a job is trivial. Anyone with their heads off their asses can do it. Nearly everyone who is upset about this news probably gets paid more than you do.

The difference is that while you want to feel good and self-righteous about your own stupid decision to support a game company that does not need more money and doesn't give a rat's ass about you, we'd rather take that money and keep to ourselves, because we actually have some dignity and would rather fill our OWN money pool than the money pool of some random executive at Capcom's we never heard of. Did you fanboys ever stop to think that if you legally own the disc, you also legally own all of it's contents? The great thing about the law is that it isn't bound by shady or biased notions of ethics - if you pay for a product then you own everything it contains.

It's not that we won't buy the alts and instead play the core game - we'll hack and unlock what's on our disc, we won't pay a dime in the process, and we'll be laughing at you who believe that we are doing this because less 0.5% of our monthly pay in DLC is more money than we can handle.

Before telling others to go get a job, try actually landing on one which requires a college degree or better, because if you believe even for a second that 20 bucks is a lot of money for any kind of gamer these days (yes, even kids), then you're probably neither smart nor gets paid very well.

Posted by @145, on February 2, 2010 at 1:06 p.m. #148

Becuase adding new characters via DLC would impact the core functionality of the product.
Adding in new costumes is just optional.

What the naysayers seem to quickly forget is that the Championship Mode add-on was free and added a wealth of options to an already solid title.

And the cost of the Championship DLC? Free.

Posted by mashout on February 2, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. #149

they don't need to charge extra for DLC to make more than enough money to cover the cost it took to create those costumes for the game. they're just doing it to make a profit. which would be okay if they'd just be upfront about it

Posted by Dr. Video Games on February 2, 2010 at 1:13 p.m. #150

I have no problem with buying DLC, but when it's something already made during the development process, it feels like I've bought it already. S-Kill's argument doesn't really hold up with the Borderlands example; #65 has it right.

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 1:19 p.m. #151

Post 148 is a champion.

Posted by Manicman on February 2, 2010 at 1:24 p.m. #152

I am sure everyone on this site is going to buy the game.

To everyone saying that people who don't want to buy the costumes are cheap.

You jackoffs do realize that DLC is pretty new and if this games would have came out in a previous generation it would have been free. The extra armor and skins in Halo3, tekken 6, and Virtua fighter are all included in the game free of charge.

Capcom should do the same thing they have been doing for ages. Release a complete product.

Posted by Firegod on February 2, 2010 at 1:37 p.m. #153

im not stateing that im for or against the costumes, but I guess my question is why is "s-kill"s opinion greater or less than everyone elses. Just because he may or may not accept the DLC, doesnt mean its more or less right, so I honeslty dont see a point in him haveing a whole article giving his opinion.

If thats the case then i want to know how momochi, mago, daigo, jwong, sanford, IloveuJoe, some random guy in louisiana, and some random girl in Hawaii feel about this....

Posted by #154 on February 2, 2010 at 1:39 p.m. #154

LOL, s-kill == Seth Killian, who works for Capcom USA.

Posted by wow on February 2, 2010 at 1:45 p.m. #155

man, people act so angry for something thats been going on for decades.

Posted by dlc on February 2, 2010 at 1:45 p.m. #156

id rather pay £5-£10 extra and have it on the disk.that way evryone will have them.and capcom can cover cost because they will be selling more.e.g 2.mil rather then 200 hundred as dlc then you wont have people having a problem with this.
i personally think sf doesnt need dlc unless it something everyone is going to get.like championship mode.

Posted by @ #142 on February 2, 2010 at 1:46 p.m. #157

That's the poor reasoning that allows Capcom to do this kind of s**t...some people just can't get it. I wish everyone in the world had a brain.

Posted by cowboy_soultaker on February 2, 2010 at 1:46 p.m. #158

i guess he feels it's like arguing semantics. Why would you include something on the disc and charge for it? people don't understand that logic. Comparing Dr. Ned to this is moot, because where as The Borderlands crew is charging for the expansion, capcom charged for "unlock codes" for their SF4 costumes.

While a capcom employee or other employee cannot see it as this way, many people understand this logic and subscribe to it. I don't think it's about the game being "incomplete" or a matter of "when it was developed" it's a matter of why include it on the disc if it's not part of the game?

Posted by get a job @ #148 on February 2, 2010 at 1:47 p.m. #159

you crack me up man...I'm 33 years old with an MBA and work for a financial firm based out of NYC..think before you spew KID. If I worked at CAPCOM and my bonus at the end of the year was reliant on profitability, then I would support the nickel and dime DLC. The product is no different with alt costumes or not...it's simply cosmetic. The price of a dinner at Applebees= costumes

Posted by sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 1:48 p.m. #160

the only reason why seth killian even matters is because of the community behind him.

Posted by Kira on February 2, 2010 at 1:49 p.m. #161

Functional stuff shall always stay free. I'd rather pay for costumes than game modes. Think of their POV, removing modes is just lowering their game ratings and things. DLC is always supposed to be expansion and not affect gameplay. FPS games such as Halo have DLC-able maps. If Halo were to release a DLC-able gun which dominated you'd cry over it too. -.-

Posted by I KNOW THE ANSWER.... on February 2, 2010 at 1:53 p.m. #162

Capcom needs to charge for the costume cause Tatsunoko vs Capcom and Dark Void are going to fail so HARD!!!!

Posted by retardedness on February 2, 2010 at 1:59 p.m. #163

This whole thing is a crack up.

2 consoles.

1 allows you to connect and play online for free.
This one is secure and doesnt have in-game hackers.

1 allows you to connect and play for a yearly subscription.
This one is insecure and full of stat boosting hackers.

Guess which is more popular.

Idiots.

And again the DLC being OFFERED as as OPTION does not affect the core functionality of Super SF4.

Posted by Kexx on February 2, 2010 at 2:03 p.m. #164

what a pathetic way to defend your giant rip off.

That's why I hate seth killian.

Posted by LOL on February 2, 2010 at 2:06 p.m. #165

@#163
Q4T

Posted by ray on February 2, 2010 at 2:09 p.m. #166

if you're going to charge for alternates(which i originally read that they weren't) they should at the very least bundle them all together so that we don't feel like we're being ripped off(...again.) furthermore, in the future i hope they never post stuff like ..'it'll be free' if they're not going to follow through and deliver, it just makes capcom look bad.

Posted by @165, on February 2, 2010 at 2:11 p.m. #167

Seth is fine.

Millions of Americans have already demonstrated the viability of paying for online services like xbox live, even with the existence of a free option like PSN.

Super SF4 is not as extreme as that, due to the optional subscription, and it doesn't affect your ability to play if you choose to stick with the core product......

Posted by get a job on February 2, 2010 at 2:22 p.m. #168

last time I checked CAPCOM was not a not-for-profit institution. They have very smart marketing people that understand that the DLC nickel and dime project will reap incremental income...and everyone that is crying on these forums will download them the first day they're available!
Get a job, or study, or go the gym, get laid, do something good for your mind, body and soul. Stop playhing xbox live instead of showering

Posted by YOU'RE ALL STUPID on February 2, 2010 at 2:34 p.m. #169

You people are mentally retarded

They gave you the option to buy something, you aren't forced to buy it, no one put a gun to your head.

Regardless of whether they MAY have claimed it was free, it's not now, what the f uck do you even feel you're entitled to? As a fan, you act like the $60 or $40 you pay for a game makes you the fu cking king sh1t of the universe, grow up. I'm entitled as a gamer to everything else you might put out for the game because i bought the initial game.

"I'M YOUR BESTEST CUSTOMAOR EVAR, GIVE ME EVERYTHING OR I HATE YOU CRAPCAM, HAET YOU FOERVAR CUZ YOU SAID YOUD GIVE ME FREE THINGS AND YOU DIDNT NOW I CANT HAVE THIRD COSTOOM!"

you kids are fu cking bitchs

Posted by I WONDER on February 2, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. #170

PEOPLE HERE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT PAYING 15 OR WHATEVER BUCKS FOR COSTUMES; I WOULDVE HATE TO HEAR YOU GUYS SHELL OUT THE 400 FOR A PS3

Posted by LAME on February 2, 2010 at 2:37 p.m. #171

Well DLC is Down loadable Content... ULC is you're paying extra to un-lock content that you already purchased.

Thanks Microsoft for this shady biz model. BTW you will all buy it anyways and thats their point. There is no honor when it comes to the bottom dollar...... And that sucks :(

Posted by ... on February 2, 2010 at 2:37 p.m. #172

I went to your concert to hear 'this song' if you don't play it, i got ripped off despite the rest of the content you offered.

Posted by sethisgay on February 2, 2010 at 2:38 p.m. #173

#170 poster is so retarded.

Posted by 174isgay on February 2, 2010 at 2:40 p.m. #174

You're just mad because you feel like you're entitled to everything, you're not, go die.

Posted by Firegod on February 2, 2010 at 2:44 p.m. #175

@#155

no JOKE seth works for capcom........anyone who is even sorta kinda into street figther knows that

that doesnt at all shut down my point.

So that means that any and everyone who works for capcoms opinion matters more than our own? hell no.

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 2:59 p.m. #176

Today I bought a large cheese pizza. For some reason they didn't give me the option of toppings, but rather gave me a separate baggy of about 30 toppings. I thought the whole thing was strange but I took it all home anyways.

When I got home I put all the toppings on the table next to my pizza and thought about which toppings I wanted to add to my pizza. I reached for the onions and suddenly found I couldn't add them to my pizza unless I paid a dollar!

Pizza box: "One dollar please"

Me: "Strange, why would they prepare all these toppings and give them to me unless I could use them? I mean I already have them on my table. I saw an ad that showed off a good number of the toppings and they didn't say anything about an extra fee. Fine, I have a job and am able willing to pay for these toppings even though this whole process makes zero sense."

So I pay three dollars and buy mushrooms, onions, and garlic, but before I can finish adding them to my pizza...

Pizza box: "Sorry, but you can only buy toppings in bundles of FIVE."

Me: "But I don't want five toppings, just the three."

Pizza box: "You don't have to actually eat the additional two toppings, you can just pull them off or ignore the slices which are covered in the other toppings."

Me: "Ug..Okay, fine, I'll get mushrooms, onions, garlic... umm.. chicken... err... and um... extra cheese I guess."

Pizza box: "Nope, the bundles of five are preset and if you want to buy mushrooms, garlic and onions, you will have to buy the mushroom, bell pepper, feta cheese, extra cheese, and sardine bundle."

Me: "But I don't want all that s--t. I guess I can buy like 3 bundles and only eat 1/5th of what I buy but thats seems like a waste. Gee, pizza box, its kinda seems like this whole system was designed against my favor and is just a shameless way for you to make money."

Pizza box: "DUURRR!! Borderlands, Borderlands, Borderlands, Borderlands, Borde..."

Posted by n00b_saib0t on February 2, 2010 at 3:03 p.m. #177

attention stupid ass people- this is no different than paying for a theme for your 360 or PS3, yet i guarantee half the people complaining about the price tag on the costumes gladly bought a theme they thought was bad ass.

you want another theme for balrog? pay for it.

Posted by reason on February 2, 2010 at 3:07 p.m. #178

^ no one ever said that his opinion was above ours, he simple stated his opinion on the matter.

I'll buy the costumes cause they look awesome.
It it my sole choice to pay for this, if I thought it wasn't worth my money I wouldn't purchase it.

I have $12 to spend if I get more out of SSFIV, & them seeing revenue in DLC supports Capcom in making more games I love.
I mean they could very well charge full $60 for SSFIV & they know damn well people would still buy it. (You all say Capcom taked advantage of their fans, if they did why would they release SSFIV at a reduced price?) But Capcom isn't like that, they know that it's essentially the same as SFIV, so they sell it at $20 less. (If that still breaks all the little SSFIV whiner's allowance money, get a job...)

Again, these costumes change nothing to the game, you are in no way forced to buy them.

Posted by LongJohn on February 2, 2010 at 3:08 p.m. #179

Capcom could have done something nice for the fans, but chose not to.

Posted by lol on February 2, 2010 at 3:08 p.m. #180

Lol @ #178 what a dope

Posted by reason on February 2, 2010 at 3:21 p.m. #181

@#180
Yeah Capcom could've done something for the fans....

They could've made a Console version of SFIV
They could've added characters to the console version
They could've made a FREE CORE GAME CHANGE to the online
They could've made a SUPER version of SFIV
They could've added alot of new online modes
They could've added very wanted characters while they're at it
They coudl've added a second set of Ultras for everyone.
They coudl've reduced the price on the game itself

*sigh* they could've at least done SOMETHING for the fans.....

If only they cared..... :(

Posted by @181, on February 2, 2010 at 3:21 p.m. #182

Nope, one seventy eight is right on the money.
So is one sixty eight.

Posted by Jmeredi on February 2, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. #183

This game had too much content to be made DLC for SF4. Especially the new costumes, that may or may not be on the disc, that ARE DLC.

I doubt it took the same effort to make alt. costumes as it did to make DLC for Borderlands.

I really hate this whole DLC movement. It's as if companies are charging for things that were unlockables just a few years ago. True, this game has alot more content for a lower price. The alt. costume deal is a little disheartening though.

EA is the worst at the whole DLC thing, in my opinion. I laughed to myself while I was playing Dragon Age and talking to a merchant, listened to his story, and was then prompted to buy that chapter, lol.

There are new people playing games everyday, and to them, the concept of being nickel and dimed through DLC is the norm. And if it continues, who knows where gaming will end up.

Posted by B.K. on February 2, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. #184

that was just stupid. why advertise something that we will not get with the game unless we pay. thats something capcom could have did later on. they could have added another character or two. maybe even three with that spare time they had. what a big waste.

Posted by lol@people who bitched 'bout the costume on February 2, 2010 at 3:49 p.m. #185

I still remember "OMG they suck!"

If they suck so much, why are you whining now?
Hypocrites!

Posted by Jmeredi on February 2, 2010 at 3:51 p.m. #186

To add to my previous post:

I'll give it to Capcom though. At least the alt. costume content is purely cosmetic.

It's only a matter of time before companies begin ommitting stages, chapters, or other content from games during production and offering them as DLC later like it's new.

.......oh, wait.

Posted by Daigo on February 2, 2010 at 3:53 p.m. #187

The only thing that is free in this world is Justin Wong.

Posted by T-kill on February 2, 2010 at 4:15 p.m. #188

DLC is an option. A little buck for a little bling.

Want shiny wheels? It'll cost a little bit.

Want a cool ball top for your joystick? It'll cost a little bit.

That's how it works.

Posted by no on February 2, 2010 at 4:17 p.m. #189

#153: "You jackoffs do realize that DLC is pretty new and if this games would have came out in a previous generation it would have been free."

Wrong, jackoff...why would they give you things for "free?" It would simply have been included in the price of the game, which would thus have been higher, disallowing fans who didn't want those costumes the option of not paying for them!

Eventhubs has got to be the worst site to read comments. "Come see grade schoolers weigh in on Capcom's business model and imitate slang they overheard tournament players using!" Ugh.

Posted by HAHAHAHA on February 2, 2010 at 4:20 p.m. #190

148: "Did you fanboys ever stop to think that if you legally own the disc, you also legally own all of it's contents? The great thing about the law is that it isn't bound by shady or biased notions of ethics - if you pay for a product then you own everything it contains."

Oh yeah? You own Ryu because he's on the disc? Go make a movie about him without paying for the rights and you'll get sued back to the stone age.

You sound like a little kid. You don't even understand the point you're trying to make.

Posted by oh yeah? on February 2, 2010 at 4:21 p.m. #191

143: "And we were already told it would be free."

Post a link or you're lying

Posted by ^this guy is an idiot on February 2, 2010 at 4:22 p.m. #192

NO price wont go up for new costumes and if you think so your an idiot the start date for DLC is what matters to me if a company works on DLC after a game is released that is a hella good deal but to make it before the game is even out yet is only acceptable in 1 term that the disc space couldnt fit all the content(street fighter wont have this problem) other than that DLC already on disc is just microsoft and other compnanies tryig to extort money out of the gamers buy making them buy sh*t that should of came with the stupid game worst case of this is Darth vader in SC4

Posted by huh on February 2, 2010 at 4:22 p.m. #193

s-kill is a fagg ot ass tool who doesnt know sh it about gaming. "I hear you guys loud and clear that you dont want costumes to be DLC" but you are going to do it anyway. I hope he loses his job and becomes a nobody again

Posted by Please? on February 2, 2010 at 4:32 p.m. #194

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by eh on February 2, 2010 at 4:42 p.m. #195

Seth's fine.

If there's any homos out there, its those idiots who keep purchasing FPS 'games'. That shti hasnt changed since Doom 2 back in the 20th century.

And the even bigger homos are the ones who buy xbox live subscriptions as opposed to playing on PSN for free, then complain about pseudo-DLC.

I don't want to punch these fools in the face Seth, I want to Metsu Shoryuken their heads off their bodies.

Posted by @eh on February 2, 2010 at 4:47 p.m. #196

maybe you should take seths penis out your mouth before you talk because you sound like a homo too

Posted by eh on February 2, 2010 at 4:54 p.m. #197

Nah. no homo here.

Why don't you just shuffle off and go play Mass Defect 2 before you embarass yourself even further.

If you still have a problem with DLC, go hit up Microsoft, they introduced subscription based systems to gaming (xbox live) and all you fools quite happily gobbled it up.

You've got a bit of experience with gobbling, dontcha @197? :)

Posted by ????? on February 2, 2010 at 4:58 p.m. #198

I am sorry eh when you type all that comes up is mmmmmmmmmmm i love seths penis, and I dont have an xbox so there is no real reason to talk with microsoft huh?

fuc king retard

Posted by Blame Micro$oft on February 2, 2010 at 5:06 p.m. #199

Sony for life!

Posted by ROFL@fanboys on February 2, 2010 at 5:16 p.m. #200

At the PS3 and M$ fanboys secretly coming in through the back door to blow their favorite systems once again.... mostly ps3 fanboys it seems. Uh oh, must mean I'm a M$ fanboy huh?

Grow up kiddies, you bought what you bought. stop bastardizing other people for what they own. I love having the option to buy my own stuff and not post about how I'm broke and out of options lol.

Go mow a lawn or suk a neighbor and make some money

Posted by LongJohn on February 2, 2010 at 5:23 p.m. #201

@#182

All those improvements come with the game, but yet Capcom wants to sell us alternate costumes for a couple of bucks. I guess according to Seth, it cost more money to create a cowboy outfit for Ken then all those features you mentioned.

Posted by LongJohn on February 2, 2010 at 5:26 p.m. #202

@#182

"They could've made a SUPER version of SFIV"

This did make me laugh, though. A lot.

Posted by Phyuck Yiu on February 2, 2010 at 5:37 p.m. #203

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Posted by this guy on February 2, 2010 at 5:41 p.m. #204

@204 im with u bro!!! TEKKEN 6 costumes and extras were unlockable thru gameplay!!! Why not SSF4?!? WTF!!! FML!!!

Posted by SF4 ORIGINAL OWNER on February 2, 2010 at 5:47 p.m. #205

SO WHAT DO THE ORIGINAL SF4 OWNERS GET?!?

Posted by AAKz on February 2, 2010 at 6:19 p.m. #206

@191
Hes not saying you own the rights or IP. Come on man, YOU don't know what the f--k you're talking about.

Posted by september11 on February 2, 2010 at 6:39 p.m. #207

i think seth killian is a punk

Posted by feeltherhythm on February 2, 2010 at 6:51 p.m. #208

As long as they give us all the characters theme songs I wont even pay attention to the costumes, I'd like to hear the person's theme in the background then the generic crap they had last time, or at least remix everyone's theme....

Posted by YOU DONT GET ME on February 2, 2010 at 7:04 p.m. #209

Yeah that's great, except when you have asian parents who think during every online transaction there is a high risk it is going to steal your identity, and will not allow you to ever buy anything online, especially when it comes to video games, and even when it's from a reputable company. yeah, i gave up a long time ago, but whatever, in the time that it took me to write this i've convinced myself that all the alt costumes are for fruits.

Posted by @207 on February 2, 2010 at 7:19 p.m. #210

207: "@191 Hes not saying you own the rights or IP. Come on man, YOU don't know what the f--k you're talking about."

It was an EXAMPLE. That's a thing grown-ups use to make points.

It ilustrates that you don't OWN anything on the disc or have rights to it, except inasmuch as the publisher grants you access to them. It's just like how you can't demand that the game company show you the ending to a game you can't beat. "BUT I OWN EVERYTHING ON THE DISC!" would be the moron's response.

If they wanted to, they could include an entire other game on the disc that was separately financed, and of course you wouldn't own it until you paid for it by some other means. Publishers used to do just this! Ever hear of the concept of shareware? Discs full of unlockable demos? Crippleware, et cetera? That's software that you can try, but there's stuff in it that isn't available until you paid. "BUT I DOWNLOADED IT, SO I OWN IT!" or "BUT THE DISC FULL OF DEMOS CAME WITH MY MAGAZINE, SO I OWN IT!" would be the moron's response.

Everyone arguing that they automatically own all data on a game disc they purchase is an idiot.

Posted by Back in the day on February 2, 2010 at 7:29 p.m. #211

Back in the day, before DLC existed as a concept, gamers had access to all the finished content on a game disc/cartridge either straight up or unlocking it through the game.

Back in the day, developers made great games AND threw in extras like alternate costumes for no additional cost.

What developers are doing now feels like a complete gut-punch to consumers. Witholding content to maximise profits.

Also, if DLC is an 'extra cost' issue, why is it that the alternate costumes for the arcade characters have to be paid for, when they were presumably made before the console version?

Posted by Curori on February 2, 2010 at 8:13 p.m. #212

Withholding additional content to make money is withholding content to make money. Don't paint it any other colour than what it is?

Is it shameless? Yes, probably.

Posted by AceKombat on February 2, 2010 at 8:27 p.m. #213

Not looking forward to purchasing alts . The only decent character alts were Cody , Rufus , Boxer and Guile ( There may have been a few I haven't seen such as Dictator and Viper ) . None of them are what I look forward to main with .

Posted by Stupid DLC on February 2, 2010 at 8:32 p.m. #214

#177 WINS THE INTERNET

Posted by Shinku GET OVER HERE! on February 2, 2010 at 9:08 p.m. #215

I think people aren't realizing the issue goes beyond paying for a costume. In our society, 10 years ago this kind of thing would have been unheard of as far as a console fighting game or any console game is concerned.

The fact is since DLC became so big it's almost scary to think of whats next. They are clearly taking advantage of us, and you cant tell me otherwise. Just the conception of this type of DLC is proof, the problem goes way beyond capcom.

we as gamers have allowed ourselves to become slaves at these comapanies and throw our money at them for anything. just idea of releasing TRIVIAL extra content and making people pay for it is bad enough, this shouldn't have gotten this far.

my main point is, yes you can say it's just a costume, shut up and dont buy it if you don't want to, but it's bigger than that. Think about 10 years from now, as developers get comfortable with this sort of thing and us gamers continue to eat up this DLC like mindless fools without taking a stand, WHAT WILL WE BE PAYING FOR?????

Companies will be releasing half assed games with the sole intent of milking DLC. Our we might finsih a game and have to pay to see the ending or an alternate ending which we should have been able to unlock through gameplay. OR we might have to pay for THINGS THAT USED TO BE UNLOCKABLE BY GAMEPLAY! what happened to making people unlock thigns??? games are losing their integrity and i fear for those who don't see where this DLC trend is heading.

Posted by Leo on February 2, 2010 at 9:37 p.m. #216

Whoa, 216. It's not that bad right? Your forgetting SSF4 is priced dirt cheap. In UK atleast.. it's 25 pounds from play. That's lulz money.

I doubt full priced games will go so far as to be that evil. Honestly, i'd pay 50 for this, then another 10 for DLC. Considering they priced the game.. that has what? 10 new characters, all new and old characters much better balanced then before. 2 Ultra's. New animations & story. New offline and online modes. In my opinion, it is not Capcom that is ripping us off, i feel like i'm the one ripping off Capcom by paying them a little £25 for a game that.. could even be called SF5. I'm not biting at you bro, just saying.. look at the bright side of it! xD

Posted by seriously on February 2, 2010 at 9:44 p.m. #217

hek, Shinku GET OVER HERE!

"we might have to pay for THINGS THAT USED TO BE UNLACKABLE BY GAMEPLAY!"

yes, somethings were unlocked by game play.. so what? if they change it. It's done. Over. End of story.

your quote does not justify anything for you....

This used to be this

That used to be that

And that and that that this and that

So what?

Give me a fu'kn break........

Posted by Original SF4 Owner on February 2, 2010 at 9:50 p.m. #218

@216: U NAILED IT BRO! COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER! WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT THERE AND TELL EVERYBODY NOT TO BUY THE ALT COSTUMES! I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A REALLY BIG WAY OF SAYING "FUK U CAPCOM!" IF EVERYONE PARTICIPATED (WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT!) THIS DLC SH!T IS GOING TOO FAAAR! THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ANTI-DLC MOVEMENT ASAP!!! WHOS IN???

Posted by Here here on February 2, 2010 at 10:03 p.m. #219

Fuc k cap and their DLC BS lets get people not to buy so they will think next time before they act like fuc king faggots

Posted by Artiskan on February 2, 2010 at 10:07 p.m. #220

well at least things that change the affects of gameplay aren't being charged like DLC for certain characters or championship mode.....alt. costumes are just eye-candy...u have the option of buying them or not....why are so many people bitching about this...?
You're all still gonna buy SSFIV and then whine and complain about how strong Sagat is and how cheap every(if not all) characters are whenever u lose....get over it...

Posted by dlc?!? on February 2, 2010 at 10:09 p.m. #221

216 - Exactly man, fucc DLC and the people who support it!!! Its like taking candy from a baby!!!

Posted by Who Cares... on February 2, 2010 at 10:10 p.m. #222

People are so into there shooters on Xbox this game is gonna do bad. MWF2, BioShock 2, Halo Reach and mass effect are going to overshadow this game.

Posted by Shinku GET OVER HERE! on February 2, 2010 at 10:22 p.m. #223

@ seriously #218

really man lol, was it something i said? did it bother you that much. such anger. I didn't know it was a crime for me to state how i feel. you can say i was whining or whatever but obviously you could care less about the times changing so why did you even put forth the energy to comment back to me with such negativity.

I wasn't trying to be stuck in the past man, but i'm old school, i'm sorry if i can recognize bullsh!t when i see it. forgive me for succumbing to industry standard like a mindless robot. I don't deserve to live, my opinion shouldnt have even been stated. I should have know better. I apologize.

Posted by Shinku GET OVER HERE! on February 2, 2010 at 10:29 p.m. #224

@ 217

yeah i understand man, i wasn't rippin on SSF4, i know we are getting a great deal (hopefully, i want more than characters and ultras, i want some real rebalancing and some new special moves)
i appreciate whats been done but i was speaking of my dislike of alot of this kind of DLC in general

Posted by Wah wah wah on February 2, 2010 at 10:29 p.m. #225

@223
MW2(you said MWF2, warfare is one word,) is already out and those who want it will keep it however by April will have enough money to play SSF4
BioShock 2 Out this month and might not be good, people might turn it in just in time for SSF4.
Halo Reach is not due until fall so it's not even on the radar at the moment and might be another ODST.
Mass effect out this month and DSP already beat it and is Missing only 3 Achievements meaning alot of the people who wanted to beat it probably already did by now and it's ONLY BEEN A WEEK by April they'll be bored/done with it unless bioware cranks out ACTUAL GOOD DLC.

SSF4 is due out late April... nothing is over shadowing it

@Everyone

S-Kill makes a good point your getting a game they can charge 60 dollars for at a 40 dollar price. They choose to make Alternate costumes AFTER production started as a side project taking more money from capcom and not just using left overs from SSF4(if there's any).

The DLC It changes nothing except you have a new outfit big whoop and if you want it that much PAY FOR IT. is there any proof that the 3rd outfits are on disc? like the 2 outfits? no there's no infact you might have to patch the game in order to display the third oufit when you first get it to play online.

I don't care I'm happy just play the game...ungratful bitches

Posted by Zeb on February 2, 2010 at 10:36 p.m. #226

well seth and capcom, if you no scare to rip us off with more costumes, I no scare in pirating your game on 360.

Posted by Lynx on February 2, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. #227

Oh I think Zeb want da trouble! that Xbox Banned trouble

Posted by Wrath on February 2, 2010 at 11 p.m. #228

To all the people that are actually accepting this... You are all retards. I guess these people do not understand the basic principles of economics nor realize just how messed up this all is. Seriously, Capcom made 91 billion in revenue by raping all you idiots. So if you are happy paying full price for 90% of a game, them by all means enjoy. If not, then pirate the hell out of the game and support companies and products that treat the consumer well!

Posted by serisouly on February 2, 2010 at 11 p.m. #229

yo, Shinku GET OVER HERE!

who gives a shXt if I was being negative towards you.

At least I don't whine about some trivial side dishes. Unlike you whiny asses here, I tend to look on the bright side.

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Plus, you were not being an OLD SCHOOL.

You were just being such a pessimist.

Posted by Lynx on February 2, 2010 at 11:08 p.m. #230

Wrath 90% of a game?

did they promise us new costumes at all? No they took time and money out of their company to do so on the side

Did they take the past year to not only tweak this game but had 10 characters and new modes and some old favorites and new Ultra moves. Teaming up with Gonzo studios to make an anime as well as new intros and endings for all characters? yes

All that for 40 bucks? and you consider that 90% of a game

seriously Wrath what is important about costumes why aren't YOU satified with one or two costumes pre character?

third strike we only had alternate color outfits and no true alternate oufits.... but people still liked it So as Super Turbo and Alpha.

I'm not going to buy the costumes mainly cause I don't mind playing with one or two costumes per character since that's the way it's been in arcades since World Warrior and I don't play it for costumes which are just EYE CANDY. you should pay for them if they are that big of an issue for you.

Posted by jackalope on February 3, 2010 at 12:09 a.m. #231

Seth has done more for the FGC both before and after he started at Capcom than everyone at eventhubs put together. Anyone else know other developers that even talk to us much less go to events?

LOL @kids still crying over e-clothes like htey have real principals. Get off your ridic hi-horse and give 10$ to Haiti and STFU!!!

Posted by Shinku GET OVER HERE! on February 3, 2010 at 12:14 a.m. #232

@ seriously

man it's not that serious, i don't need anyone preaching to me about being optimistic, i've had enough of my own trials and tribulations in my personal life to teach me the value of a positive mindset. So what if i was complaining, i was merely voicing my displeasure over the current trend of meaningless DLC that we have to pay for.

chill out man, it's alot more serious things in the world than paying for DLC i realize that, however if i want to complain about it let me. YOU AREN'T GOING TO BUY THE COSTUMES FOR ME, or any other DLC for that matter so if i say something bad about the "almighty DLC" deal with it.

you want to talk about optimism how about hoping capcom is truly rebalancing this game, and we aren't just getting new characters and some flashy new ultras. Let's hope capcom throws in some new special moves and tweak certain normals along with a variety of other things. how about being positive about that. this costume BS is not that serious.

Posted by @#47 on February 3, 2010 at 12:29 a.m. #233

You are so damn right on that one. Fuc k these fuc king babies who bit ch and bit ch.

Posted by @above on February 3, 2010 at 12:41 a.m. #234

Fuc k these fuc king corporates who withhold more and more content so they can charge more cause no one bitches

Posted by Lynx on February 3, 2010 at 1:24 a.m. #235

@235 ??? more and more??? the constumes they never promised would be free just like SF4?....yes so much more retard

Posted by Lynx on February 3, 2010 at 1:29 a.m. #236

@235
then lets not forget they're giving us 10 more characters more online modes and classic bonus stages....all for 20 bucks less then a full retail game....yes.... they're holding so much content away from us.... and you can't simply say "No I won't buy it" and then maybe they'll figure out "we shouldn't mess with our customers cause we're not gaining money from attempting to shafe them

Posted by yohuumo on February 3, 2010 at 2:10 a.m. #237

In Tekken 6, Virtua Fighter 5 and Soul Calibur 4 there are PLENTY options to customize characters mostly for free, then why we have to pay for s*itty designed ones? Capcom should make customization mode, like in games mentioned above. It's possible, because SSF4 no longer is 2D game, it's 3D title, like Tekken 1.

Posted by ._. on February 3, 2010 at 2:32 a.m. #238

The cake was a lie.

Posted by S-Kill on February 3, 2010 at 2:33 a.m. #239

If you need me to understand that you don't like paying for costumes — believe me, I have heard it loud and clear.

Posted by bleh on February 3, 2010 at 3:08 a.m. #240

In summary he seems to be saying that this is what all companies do to squeeze extra money out of consumers willing to pay for it, so deal with it

Posted by notasheep on February 3, 2010 at 3:39 a.m. #241

f_____ that idiot. capcom is lower than EA. capcom are full of f______ nowadays.

Posted by CorrezZio on February 3, 2010 at 5:03 a.m. #242

I don't even see the point of argueing here, people who want to buy it will, myself and others won't. We can't force Capcom to do anything, because for every person not willing to pay for these, there's one person buying them all.

As long as this is profitable to them, we're stuck with it.

I'm just happy I can find ways to enjoy SSF4 without caring about some costumes.

Posted by imadumbsheep on February 3, 2010 at 5:18 a.m. #243

#226

"S-Kill makes a good point your getting a game they can charge 60 dollars for at a 40 dollar price."

go right ahead, charge $60. see the reaction of gamers then.

"sure they can milk the fans charging for alt outfits.
now real DLC is around, they are making it a separate release?

whats the price tag? $40? yea, $40 is scary for DLC. if they charge for each character separately it's too milking obvious. if they charge $40 for all of them it's too obvious a rip off.
so they release it as a separate game to disguise the scheme and to maximize their milk."

Posted by umm... on February 3, 2010 at 6:04 a.m. #244

If they are devoting separate development investments in people to produce DLC, I understand them having to have to pay people. So if it's on the disc you can buy it if you really want it and Capcom is counting on that to pay for the development costs of the DLC. But, what if everyone just saw it as something that was put on the disc at retail, that just as easily could be unlocked as it can be locked and that the price of the game and the number of sales should justify getting this dlc for free anyhow. Like Seth said, if you don't want it don't buy it. That sounds like a great retort until you get enough people that say they can forego the eyecandy, and still enjoy playing with one or two costumes, and not buy the dlc. If everyone refused to buy the DLC already on the disc at time of release I'm sure Capcom wouldn't have such a "well tough sh*t" attitude toward their milking your wallets to unlock what is on a disc. If noone bought it, it would undermine the separate development costs capcom invested in making them and then I'm sure they'd be more than happy to charge full retail for the disc and give you everything their studio has to offer at the time of release that made it on the disc. It's just a load of crap and its not such a big deal now, but what about when you buy the disc and then they start having whole modes that can be unlocked ala Resident Evil 5. Now that is about the core gameplay. Screw it, its stupid, Capcom knows we are dumb enough to buy it and thats essentially what Seth is saying.

Posted by Jmeredi on February 3, 2010 at 6:36 a.m. #245

I really hate this whole DLC movement. It's as if companies are charging for things that were unlockables just a few years ago. True, this game has alot more content for a lower price. The alt. costume deal is a little disheartening though.

EA is the worst at the whole DLC thing, in my opinion. I laughed to myself while I was playing Dragon Age and talking to a merchant, listened to his story, and was then prompted to buy that chapter, lol.

There are new people playing games everyday, and to them, the concept of being nickel and dimed through DLC is the norm. And if it continues, who knows where gaming will end up.

First, game companies see that we will pay for tiny, trivial add-ons. Ok, now that the public has become accustomed to being charged for this and it's the norm let's raise the bar a tiny bit more, let them get used to paying for that, then do it all over again.

Posted by Izagaia on February 3, 2010 at 6:51 a.m. #246

Now that I have lost all respect for Mr killian and his pathetic "spin" on a rather sore subject...

His reasoning was that why should WE as consumers give a crap whether or not the afore mentioned DLC is delivered via an unlockable off of the disk or through a time-consuming download? And that any added creation, regardless of when created, adds to the total production cost.

Fine.

Then answer me this: Earlier blogs, posts and messageboards already made their initial statements regarding the various features of SSF4. Many from what I perceived to be, official Capcom sources. So why should I as a consumer give two rat-sh1ts on what Capcom's cost productions are? Why should I sacrifice corporate integrity and value for a dollar? And if Capcom is not accountable to WE as the consumer, then WHO exactly... the bottom line? Which makes the consumer what?.. cattle?

I have heard better spin watching CNN. Capcom deceived a loyal SF fan base that adheres more to basic human morales and principle than any bottom line. "It is what it is".

Posted by Sonicsage on February 3, 2010 at 8:16 a.m. #247

Man, aruging about having to buy costumes. And we don't get the awesome anime. ><

Posted by Money on February 3, 2010 at 8:37 a.m. #248

You guys are an embarrassment. Talk all you want about morals but SSFIV is a good deal and a fun game and you fukkin know it.

Posted by haha on February 3, 2010 at 8:59 a.m. #249

#247: "Then answer me this: Earlier blogs, posts and messageboards already made their initial statements regarding the various features of SSF4. Many from what I perceived to be, official Capcom sources... Capcom deceived a loyal SF fan base that adheres more to basic human morales and principle than any bottom line. "

So Capcom should feel sorry that you can't tell the difference between a rumor and something that's actually announced? Capcom is responsible for doing whatever rumors say? Are you autistic or something? They didn't decieve anyone. You aren't a good reader, expected things for free, and are claiming Capcom offends your "morales" (lol) by not working for you for free.

Posted by @216 on February 3, 2010 at 9:06 a.m. #250

#216: "OR we might have to pay for THINGS THAT USED TO BE UNLOCKABLE BY GAMEPLAY! what happened to making people unlock thigns???"

For the last time, you brain-dead idiots, YOU WERE NEVER GETTING ANYTHING FOR FREE. They simply MADE IT PART OF THE UP-FRONT COST OF THE GAME. Stop with this "in the old days, publishers loved working for me for free!" line of reasoning. It's not true and never was.

In SSFIV, you won't HAVE to pay for these extra costumes that you don't WANT to pay for. If they'd made them unlockable through an achievement or something, you'd have had to pay for them as part of the up-front cost of the game whether you wanted them or not.

Anyone who doesn't want Rose's Flamenco dress is a homo, btw.

Posted by IrPanda on February 3, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. #251

I'm not sure if i understand some of you correctly. You think that it is a must that they at least include the price of the alts in the retail price. But why?? It is not necessary for the game to be play so they gave us the OPTION to purchase if if we like. They were being nice to save the few of us who really don't care about what the character are wearing to save a few dollar. Are you really saying that it should be included in full retail price for what?? So a few of you care about them could save a couple bucks instead of having to buy the. Thats just selfish.

This is an option. This isn't the starting of a new trend where company " exploit" consumers ( who i would say are allowing them selves to be exploited buy buying it in the first place) by charging them extra stuff for crucial elements to the game. And if this sort of thing exist you are complaining in the wrong place. Some FPS charge for maps which affect the game play more than that. Racing games charge for cars which affect the game play more than that. Are you really complaining over something that has zero effect on how the game plays?

Ok no take for instance you own a company that sells cars and the AC unit cost a bit extra to install and they give you that offer up front. And tell you it is this much to install. Are you going to whine about why is it not in the actually price of the car?? I its an optional part of the car which is not really needed, it is just a luxury. And don't come with that bull that it is on the disc so i should be able to use it. You don't own anything on the this . You merely just purchased the rights to use what ever they have made available on the disc for your use.

Posted by #251 on February 3, 2010 at 10:37 a.m. #252

its dumbf____ sheep like you who are ruining games and letting the greedy devs walk all over everyone else.

why are other fighting games able to offer not only alt outfits but character customization? whats next charge $5 to be able to configure controls?

$5 to unlock a super art?

$5 for megamans leg pats? $5 for buster upgrade?

tools like you should have been aborted.

Posted by @IrPanda on February 3, 2010 at 10:45 a.m. #253

thats retarded. if the so called "fans" had some backbone and spoke up. then you would have gotten those alts and the price of the game wont change. why? cos other fighters have set a standard and are able to offer it. to compete crapcom would have to. but they dont, cos its dumb fanboys who are so willing to drop to their knees and suck crapcom off.

hey if you want to be brainless sheep and bend over on command feel free. just dont make everyone else have to bend over along with you.

i understand logic is hard to grasp for the braindead sheep.
so heres a picture to explain things: http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/17...

Posted by IrPanda on February 3, 2010 at 10:47 a.m. #254

@ #251

But they aren't charging for something like that that would be quite dumb, they are charging for a completely ascetic part of the game which are probably for the bigger fan of the game who doesn't mind paying for it. When it comes to what you are talking about i am sure the entire gaming community would agree with you and not buy that game which offers DLC which changes the game play of the game especially if it was made and released with the same schedule as the game it self.

Posted by 255 on February 3, 2010 at 10:50 a.m. #255

fanboys dont think clearly. release hype clouds judgement.

look at how many idiots payed for re5 dlc.

Posted by IrPanda on February 3, 2010 at 10:57 a.m. #256

@256
I think some people think less about the money and more about the game, who are you to tell people what they spend their money on.

Posted by crapcom on February 3, 2010 at 11:24 a.m. #257

they should also state on the feature trailer that the costume feature will cost additional money.

Posted by @258 on February 3, 2010 at 11:32 a.m. #258

Why would you think other wise since it was like that previously.

Posted by Penis on February 3, 2010 at 12:22 p.m. #259

XDDDD just buy it. or dont, its not gonna hurt capcom worth shet~!!!!

Posted by Anon King on February 3, 2010 at 2:24 p.m. #260

This all pisses me off- most of the game is recycled sf4 anyway and fuc-k off does make the ALTs cost capcom alot.

In fighting games ALTs are considered standard- really hope other fighting games dont jump on this.

This makes me want to steal it. I hope someone can make a hack to get at the disc content, seriously id rob from a company I love because there taking the p|ss

And its all well on good talking about it on here, but its the stupid fanboys on the unity forums defending this like their fat and the ALT's are cake that makes capcom do such bu|l shi|t

Posted by stick2 making gr8 games, not shady business models on February 3, 2010 at 3:43 p.m. #261

When ppl said "$25 for sf4 costumes? BLEH"
Seth responded (on capcom-unity forums) with "sf4 costumes are additional content, developed at the same time as the 'core' game, but on a different budget"
I call BULLSH.T!
It was part of the arcade game which was completed (at least) six months before the console version even released, so dont keep telling this "different budget" lie to us.

Well it is true partially, it was on the arcade version's budget!

Now we're getting this "development start/end date is a red herring", nonsense.

When content ends up on the disk, then it was obviously developed at the same time as the "core" game, yet we're supposed to be happy about being charged TWICE.
Once when we purchase the game disk, again to access parts of it.

Assassin's creed2 is a 14 chapter game.
Well, thats if you want to play the complete game.
Ubisoft is extorting two additional fees to play chapters 12 and 13; this makes the game feel wrongly inaccessable.

Honestly im happy for an opportunity to give a game company more money for NEW content (a.k.a. isn't completed and "on the gamedisk" but withheld for later, to charge more) which adds to the experience; like with Fable 2's dlc, i felt there was real value.

If the costumes came out 6 months after the game is done, then yes, it feels right. it feels like NEW content.

Yet SuperSF4 is said to be an expansion to sf4, and "not a full cost title", which implies the OPPOSITE of their current strategy.

Count the amount capcom expects players to spend making the original sf4 complete.

SF4 $59 +
SF4 costumes $25 (five packs of five costumes each)
= $84 total?

How much for SuperSF4? we're hearing $39 +
$5 per costume pack, with ten more characters it's $35 FOR COSTUMES ALONE,

So in reality, complete SuperSF4 will be......drum roll.............$74!

Unlock keys are bullshi.t

so, YES, seth, the release window and development schedule DO pertain to feeling ripped off.

Moving forward, here are some solutions.

1. Make the collectors edition ready to play with ALL the content that is on the disk, no additional fees.

2. Sell the regular edition for a drastically discounted price, but BE UPFRONT and dont lie about the costume DLC being more. Dont show it in a 'NEW FEATURES' trailer.
Save it for the 'DLC trailer', so ppl dont expect to have it, when they pay for it.

stop the lies.
stop over charging.
release a complete product, not this "disk locked" crippled malarky.

Posted by Shinku GET OVER HERE! on February 3, 2010 at 4:09 p.m. #262

@ 251

in the old days games didn't cost 60 and 70 dollars. i realize SSF4 is a good deal man and doesn't fall into this trend but mam if we buy the costumes the game actually somehwhere around 50-55 dollars so how much are we saving? you mean to tell me costumes are worth adding an additional 10 to 15 dollars to the price of the entire product. i'm sure they have worked on hundreds of things more significant than the costumes for this game.

i highly doubt if you asked a programmer what was one of the most difficult things about making SSF4 he would say the costumes. Don't give me that bull about developers never truly included anything for free. i know there's no such thing as a free lunch but at least they werent so bold as to rip people off and spit in their face

back when you paid 40 or 50 dollars for a brand new game you got a FULL F#CK'N GAME! now when you pay 60 or 70 you mean to tell me i have to keep handing out more money for things that used to be included NATURALLY. (i didn't say free)

and again, i realize SSF4 is going to be a great deal, if you read my post and didnt just quote a line you didn't like, you would have known i was talking about DLC IN GENERAL. you should read b4 u call someone a brainless idoit.

Posted by n00b_saib0t on February 3, 2010 at 5:04 p.m. #263

"To all the people that are actually accepting this... You are all retards. I guess these people do not understand the basic principles of economics nor realize just how messed up this all is. Seriously, Capcom made 91 billion in revenue by raping all you idiots. So if you are happy paying full price for 90% of a game, them by all means enjoy. If not, then pirate the hell out of the game and support companies and products that treat the consumer well!"

really? you just pointed out that capcom made 91 billion in revenue and you claim WE dont understand economics? news flash- capcom made 91 billion in revenue, therefore this is a BRILLIANT idea on their part. but yeah, we totally dont get economics, sorry i cant be like you and realize a company shouldnt turn a profit off of their product.

oh, and someone pointed out earlier that there are stupid people paying for XBL when PSN is free. i had a 360 and XBL subscription at one point, got RROD and got a PS3... you get what you pay for. PSN is ****ing ****ty.

anyway, this could be worse. you have to pay to put a new outfit that doesnt effect the game on your character. someone said 10 years ago this wouldnt happen, but how long ago did DOA3 come out? wasnt that an xbox launch title? anyone else remember the BS with an xbox magazine issue having a disc that unlocked outfits for DOA3 that you could not get otherwise, not by unlocking, not even by paying for a download. yeah, THAT is BS. capcom is putting up another option for you do pay for if you want, but atleast you can get it.

as for the guy with asian parents who wont buy him things online, GET A ****ING JOB, MORON. problem solved.

Posted by @stick2 making gr8 games, not shady business model on February 3, 2010 at 5:07 p.m. #264

here here!

Posted by Wrath on February 3, 2010 at 6:07 p.m. #265

At n00b_saib0t. What you wrote clearly proves of your ignorance. If you think people are complaining about the costumes or the fact that they have to pay more for more content, then you obviously are missing the point. This issue is based solely on the handling of intellectual property and the fact that it is not only screwing you over, but the designers as well. To put it in lamest terms for you, are paying twice for a product you already bought!!! If you don't get it now...well...good luck succeeding in the real world.

P.S. I am sorry your parents don't love you, but may be you can use that job of yours to move out...Oh wait, you can't now can you. You waisted all your money on horrible costumes.

Posted by lol on February 3, 2010 at 6:19 p.m. #266

12+ rated game right.
really need to get a job.need money to buy ssf4.

Posted by n00b_saib0t on February 3, 2010 at 8 p.m. #267

@226, if you want to know how much i make, look up military pay charts for a staff sergeant with no dependents living off base with an 85382 (peoria, AZ) zip-code, more than enough to move out of moms, trust me. oh yeah, and an $18,000 re-enlistment bonus (half up front, and the other half given in increments on my AF anniversary for the next 6 years). i make pretty damn good money for someone with just a high school education, and luke doesnt deploy because we're a training base. sweet job is sweet.

but thats not the point. this is the same as "i'm selling you this house, but this one closet is locked and i own its contents, which you can purchase extra if you want but its contents wont effect your use of the house. you still have 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, a living room, a dining room, a kitchen, a laundry room, a garage, and this sweet back patio. part of the agreement of buying this house is for this, the choice is yours".

at that point you have three choices, take the door off its hinges (extract the contents of SSF4 to your computer, change some 0s to 1s to enable the content, reburn and play a la SC4 darth vader), buy the content, or dont buy the content.

the size of the download tells you its on the disc, so its no secret. capcom isnt out to hide it, especially the way they described it with SF4 as the easiest way to make sure everyone could see the costumes without paying, you only have to pay to use them. they're hiding nothing, just like the guy in my scenario is hiding nothing about the closet.

another way to look at it is with a computer program is the "master your CDC" program i bought to study my CDCs and for SSgt testing. it unlocks one AFSC (your job, basically) when you buy it, you can pay extra to unlock others. it still does everything you need it to because you only have one job, you know before hand that it works this way (unless you're illiterate but then you dont even need it) so theres nothing illegal about this, and no infringement on your precious "intellectual property".

its basically under the same lines as a verbal agreement. the information is out there, its been said, its up to you if you want to agree. purchase is agreement.

Posted by kekeke on February 3, 2010 at 8:32 p.m. #268

funny how all the cry babies say CAPCOM is charging extra dollars for contents.............. CONTENTS!!?

costumes are mere accessories.......

All the contents you need in order to play properly is included in the SSFIV disk for $40 dollars.

If you still don't get this, one can only assume that you are idiots and useless scumbags... oh, and you must suck at SFIV too

Posted by kekeke on February 3, 2010 at 8:44 p.m. #269

and Wrath

You, talk about the real world? and intellectual property?

hahaha

Did you get a big fat F in Business Law course?

You crack me up man... oh wait,here it is --> (*chuckles*)

Posted by shut up on February 3, 2010 at 9:03 p.m. #270

Kekeke is a fafafag who needs to get off capcoms dick. DLC is fuc ked up and selth Kil is a bit ch

Posted by no u shut up on February 3, 2010 at 9:37 p.m. #271

^ Wow such an intelligent reply...

Posted by just because its dumb dont mean it aint true on February 3, 2010 at 10:50 p.m. #272

there is nothing dumb about your saying if you like DLC costumes you must suck at SF4. Fuc king retard

Posted by GrimmjawJin on February 4, 2010 at 1:28 a.m. #273

WOW I can't believe people are bitching about pricing for optional stuff. You don't like/want it then don't buy it simple as that.

Posted by Corporate greed on February 4, 2010 at 3:29 a.m. #274

The main point is that this 'optional' stuff should be free in the first place, as stated previously, alternate costumes are included for free in other games, why not SFIV?

Saying if you don't like it then don't buy it is the stupidest argument there is. What if developers were to withold other optional things, like customising button layouts, or volume control? These things are clearly optional, but they're staple inclusions in any game, it's just plain seedy to start needlessly charging for it.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that this stuff is created on a 'separate budget'. Having alternate costumes should have been included on the original budget. It is not like, if DLC never existed, that these costumes would never have been made. Do you really think Capcom doesn't have the money to get this stuff done and include it for free? They just want to maximise their profits, so they cut content from the game, and make it DLC, effectively 'cutting the game's budget', and adding a separate revenue stream.

Just because SSFIV is going to be a great game packed with great value already, doesn't negate the fact that this is a shady business practice.

Posted by CHARGE E. HONDA on February 4, 2010 at 3:40 a.m. #275

^
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^ is an idiot

Posted by CHARGE-E.HONDA on February 4, 2010 at 3:48 a.m. #276

i agree with you corporate greed ,people have to realize their are standards these big gaming companies need to abide by when selling us a product ,capcom looks to give us less stuff to increase their profit margin instead of doing something legitimate like making extra dlc characters that other wise will not be in the game...
well capcom not at my wallets expense.

Posted by B.K. on February 4, 2010 at 5:36 a.m. #277

i dont care that their charging for those costumes. i wont be buyin em, nor would i have even used em. those costumes could have looked alot better. what bothers me about this is that they had extra time to better the game with tweakings, hell, even adding some more characters, but instead, they decided to make costumes we wont get unless we pay. something as silly as some ridiculous as these costumes could have been done after release. capcom need to change their costume software if they (really) gotta pay for each one. im sure bestbuy or other electronic stores might have some, or just download off the internet. like a few people said before.

t6 got it
vf5 got it
doa4 got it
and so on

whats up with capcom? i dont know. thats just how they move. screw it. let these real fans keep lickin capcoms ass clean. stuff like this is a waste of good time people. let those who want em pay for em. their giving us a better chance for more sf games in the near future. lick away superfans.

Posted by Jmeredi on February 4, 2010 at 7:29 a.m. #278

I'm beginning to wonder if companies are pushing the DLC envelope to see if the consumer bites. If they do, they'll continue that until it becomes the norm and then push it even further, rinse, repeat.

Posted by Jmeredi on February 4, 2010 at 7:57 a.m. #279

Costumes aren't important to gameplay, this is true. So they want to charge us for them. Ok, cool. I'm just concerned about what DLC may turn into in the long run.

*Street Fighter 5 rolls around*

Art gallery? Well, it isn't really important to gameplay. But you can get it through DLC!

*Super Street Fighter 5 comes out, and is announced to have only Arcade and Vs. mode*

Oh, you want more modes? Well, Survival mode isn't really important to gameplay,. It's just a fun thing to do on the side. But, we'll be offering it through DLC since it's demanded so much by the fans. (Sounds ridiculous, right? They've already done this with RE5.)

*Street Fighter 6 comes out*

you can buy a license to this property at a low price, but you'll have to buy the characters individually if you want to play as them.

Posted by dumb ass on February 4, 2010 at 8:46 a.m. #280

^

*Street Fighter 6 comes out*

you can buy a license to this property at a low price, but you'll have to buy the characters individually if you want to play as them.

exaggerate more please

and QQ more

Posted by just because its dumb dont mean it aint true on February 4, 2010 at 9:47 a.m. #281

"there is nothing dumb about your saying if you like DLC costumes you must suck at SF4. Fuc king retard"

Posted by @BK on February 4, 2010 at 9:57 a.m. #282

"what bothers me about this is that they had extra time to better the game with tweakings, hell, even adding some more characters, but instead, they decided to make costumes we wont get unless we pay."

Actually there has been tweaking. Have you read this by any chance?
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/ja...

Granted, this may all change with the final build, but it does show some there is some tweaking with the existing characters.

Posted by KayofSpades on February 4, 2010 at 10:35 a.m. #283

No disrespect to S-Kill, but the entire thought of making downloadable costume to be the "player's choice" is rather (with lack of a better word) silly. It's true that it has no effect on the game play but the choice shouldn't be whether the player wants to pay for the option to be available but rather, the player should have it already available for him/her to choose.

I see his point. However I just can't agree...

Even if I feel that S-Kill makes a fine point... it still does not justify the price. SF4 had 5 costume packs for the 25 characters, marked at $4 ea. The game itself is $60. In terms of value, can you honestly tell me that the additional costumes are worth 33% of the game.

Do I feel that the developers made a fine and entertaining game and should be compensated for their efforts? Absolutely! Do I feel that with this motive, they should take advantage of die-hard fans and consumers? Absolutely not! I've been a long time fan of Street Fighter. Ever since the 2 character original... I can't honestly feel that DLC costumes at inflated prices are a way for Capcom to appreciate the devotees like myself. I can't help but feel that major gaming companies, with the help of online capabilities have become sell-outs. Years ago... games would be delayed just to implement features like this.

Let's just say that I reviewed SF4 game, which sold for $60, and gave it a 9/10. If it came with alternate costumes in-box, I doubt that it would make my review a whole lot better, but it wouldn't hurt. However, would I still give it a 9/10 if this was an $80 game?

Probably not.

My entire debate can render moot depending on what's in store when SSF4 releases... Especially with the expected reduced price. If so... Consider my statement redacted.

In the end... it all really just boils down to being about numbers.

Posted by >:U on February 4, 2010 at 11:02 a.m. #284

"Saying if you don't like it then don't buy it is the stupidest argument there is. What if developers were to withhold other optional things, like customizing button layouts, or volume control? These things are clearly optional, but they're staple inclusions in any game, it's just plain seedy to start needlessly charging for it."

In the eyes of a business, every transaction is an indication of approval or need by the consumers. The stupidest thing anyone can do is buy something they do not approve of. All that will do is encourage the corporations continue with shady practices and compound the misery of consumers. When enough consumers refuse to buy a product, that will give a message that the company will either have to change or go under. For those who don't approve of Capcom's business model, the question is: are your convictions strong enough that you won't support their product or are you a hopeless video game junkie that gives in to corporate traps because you want the extra content?

Posted by Corporate greed replies on February 4, 2010 at 4:29 p.m. #285

@281
Namco is already charging for Yoda/Darth Vader in SCIV. The next logical step in this dark path would be to charge for all bonus characters that are normally unlockable (in the case of SFIV, Seth, Akuma, Gouken). And so it shall continue til worst case scenario if this business practice is validated.

@285
While I won't buy the DLC on principle, it's pretty clear that there are enough people under the delusion that this business practice is somehow justifiable that they will.
The unfortunate thing about these business transactions is the limitation in the dialogue. It's not like I can go to Capcom and sit at a negotiation table and tell them my disapproval that they're not including the alternate costumes, negotiate terms for what I'd deem an approvable price for that content, until we reach an agreement. Instead, it's more like a collective bargaining agreement, except it's set by what the company feels they can get away with. I end up getting less, because there exists ignorant fools who are willing to needlessly throw money away, and I am limited in my bargaining power.

Posted by cbtaker on February 4, 2010 at 8:28 p.m. #286

before today I thought of it as witholding. but Kira made a point earlier, about it being something that accentuated gameplay, not changing it.

Plus, Capcom is probably testing the waters to see how popular DLC is. Either way it gives capcom feedback: buy it to support DLC, or don't if you don't care.

The only thing I fault capcom for is revealing useless stuff that can change rather then content that is already set in stone. They can just not reveal anything at all, which is the safest way.

Thankfully it's costumes and not online modes or characters. And I can even see the point of why it's on the disc, it makes online play seamless.

Posted by Look at Valve on February 5, 2010 at 5:21 a.m. #287

Team fortress 2 has been providing free updated content ever since release. New weapons for each classes, more game modes, maps and just recently new apparel such as hats and what not for each class. No one who bought the original game paid for any of it and its a lot of content.

Left 4 dead also added a new episode and game mode as well.

Take a lesson from Valve, Capcom.

Posted by LC on February 5, 2010 at 7:02 p.m. #288

- Here is CORRECT mentality developers SHOULD have with DLC:
Now that we've figured out what is necessary for the core game... lets see what we can add as dlc to expand upon it or improve its longevity for any players who want to.

- Here is WRONG (Capcom's) mentality to approach DLC:
Now that we've figured out what is necessary for the core game... lets see what we've cut because they're "unnecessary," players can pay for them if they feel like they want them back in

Posted by dumbtools on February 7, 2010 at 10:44 a.m. #289

they should make 2 versions. the $60 for a full game version. and the $10 for tools version.

$10 comes with bare basic. 1 character of your choice. everything else will be unlocked at the cost of $5 per item. costume, character, stage. that way the tools can have an orgasm being ripped off and they can have a field day supporting their gods. bunch of dumbf--ks.

Posted by steve on February 8, 2010 at 11:37 p.m. #290

this isnt DLC, its fake DLC. it defies the whole purpose of having DLC in the first place.

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