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EG.Marn (Yun) & Mike Ross (Honda) Super Street Fighter 4 AE matches

Posted by Jonathan 'Catalyst' Grey • December 21, 2010 at 12:22 p.m. PST
EG.Marn (Yun) and Mike Ross (E. Honda) played several Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition matches recently. These two players have had countless great performances in past tournaments, and it's interesting to see what they're doing with the new title.

Hit the jump for more.

Source: Bunsomite's YouTube page, via IPW.

Comments

mrdrofficer said on December 21, 2010 at 12:24 p.m.

You Californian's are so lucky.

Could somebody be a MAN and try out Yang!?

#1
mrdrofficer said on December 21, 2010 at 12:33 p.m.

Also, second video, around 30 seconds, you can see the start of Yun's super corner set up (good job, Marn)

As a Honda player I can also say the nerfs are minor for Honda. A good player will still do fine.

Questions ---------------------------------!

1. Can anybody who's played AE vouch for any tech/focus changes to the basic system?

2. Honda players who have played AE, did you notice any Oicho changes?

#2
AcidGlow said on December 21, 2010 at 12:34 p.m.

neat..

#3
m1northreat said on December 21, 2010 at 12:34 p.m.

The damage nerf on honda is pretty bad. I was there watching. I also recorded some of kenos yang against bunsomite and mike ross. Ill have he vids up soon

#4
ricefarmer said on December 21, 2010 at 12:37 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#5
Wolfie said on December 21, 2010 at 12:37 p.m.

Marn doing those "good read" ultras.

#6
FOOLS said on December 21, 2010 at 12:39 p.m.

So then....Evil Ryu and Ono Akuma are just in arcade mode right?

#7
Anon said on December 21, 2010 at 12:39 p.m.

After seeing Yun in action and reading what Daigo has to say about him, it's pretty clear that everybody is going to be using him.

#8
Struggs said on December 21, 2010 at 12:40 p.m.

Marn starts off looking terrific but you can see the adjustment Mike Ross makes in here. Yun looks good, but not overpowered. Watch how much health Yun loses when he gets hit, I'd bet he has 900 health making him a quick kill.

He's not like Rufus who has a bullsh!t high health rating, Yun is going to die quickly.

#9
RandomJohn said on December 21, 2010 at 12:53 p.m.

Yun's super's damage after his target combo is scaled down so much it doesn't it's worth using. Yea it equals the damage of a super but there's so much work. You screw up the combo, the super meter is wasted.

@2:

Really?!? You hate the fact of people spamming dive kicks but yet, you're excited to play MvC3 where almost every character in that game has the triangle jump tactic which is the equivalent of the dive kick in SSFIV AE. Just be honest and say you suck and can't defend dive kicks SSFIV. Stop hating scrub.

#10
akumous said on December 21, 2010 at 12:55 p.m.

Yun super isn't overpowering as everyone says and to me the game is more balanced now than it ever was.

#11
Guardsian said on December 21, 2010 at 12:57 p.m.

did I hear right in the first video? Marn saying Yun is the lowest tier?! No chance of Yun being bottom tier.

#12
akumous said on December 21, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.

The game is extremely balance, Yun's super don't even take off much and scales tremendously after a few hits and his healthy or stamina isn't all that high. Conclusively, he is not an overpowering character but a balanced character.

#13
seabass40 said on December 21, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.

do i hear strider in the background on the first video? xd

#14
f1ip said on December 21, 2010 at 1 p.m.

lmfao at video 1 1:45 "excellent adventures of marn kicking mike ross's ass"

#15
Shao said on December 21, 2010 at 1:03 p.m.

@11
I wouldn't pass judgement on Genei Jin yet. Many high caliber players, such as Tokido and Daigo reported that Genei Jin is the best super move in the whole game and there's still many things to be discovered about it. Keeper Jin took years to be discovered and the game is arcade only, there's a huge lack of information.

"so much work, you screw up the combo, the super meter is wasted", really? Nothing is "too much work", people do whatever it takes to win, if such thing is humanly possible, people will master it.

#16
Super_Shoto_Fighter_4 said on December 21, 2010 at 1:03 p.m.

Yun's super looks fun even if it does scale down. I like this character :)

#17
SabishiiRyuu said on December 21, 2010 at 1:04 p.m.

Yun's genei-jin looks even more overpowered than it was on 3s... at least it's much harder to build it in AE than it was in 3s.

#18
KageVincent said on December 21, 2010 at 1:07 p.m.

*Whispers* saltyyyyyyyyyyy....

#19
eatm said on December 21, 2010 at 1:14 p.m.

Nice Yun, but it doesn't looks so S tier to me. I guess we have to wait for Daigo's Yun videos, even Tokido said Daigo's Yun is OP.

#20
Paine said on December 21, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.

Yun is looking great. So is Yang. Looks like 3rd strike is making a come back in more ways then one.

#21
kpohlice said on December 21, 2010 at 1:28 p.m.

Arcade Edition? More like Yun Edition! Haha I kid.

I'd love to see some Yang footage though.

#22
RABIDNATSU said on December 21, 2010 at 1:28 p.m.

oni akuma and evil ryu are a joke trust me no i mean there just a joke capcom are playing on us

#23
Artisaban9 said on December 21, 2010 at 1:38 p.m.

@kpholics
i was about to call it twins edition but yours seems more fitting lol. but seriously i really want to see yang i mained him and makoto in 3rd trike so

@m1northreat
are you going to link the vids here?

#24
Mr_Clack said on December 21, 2010 at 1:41 p.m.

In MvC3, the 8 way dashes can be pushed off to the other side of the screen using advance guard.

Isnt adding dive kick combo into ultra types EXCATLY like everyone said. Rufus already has a the same style.

Adding Yun/Yang=Adding Necro/Sean

#25
dtbighead0812 said on December 21, 2010 at 2:14 p.m.

needs more urien lol

#26
Ryu_Hoshi said on December 21, 2010 at 2:30 p.m.

yu was my main in SF3, i love that charachter and is nice to see him back
but he really looks OP, i mean, he is gonna be my main again, cause i love his style but as a new charachter is not well balance and is not fair for the other players.

i will be maining ryu at the same time as i play yun but if the char is too OP i will not play it

#27
yes4me said on December 21, 2010 at 2:52 p.m.

I have a feeling there is a nerf coming...

#28
crispylinks77 said on December 21, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.

Lmao Yun can jump cancel a normal attack. That is so godlike... and also very unfair.

#29
AcidGlow said on December 21, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.

The game will be balanced when every player can cancel their medium p/k into a special move and not just shoto players and the select few outside that circle.. >_> How about we give everyone the ability to special, fadc, into ultra juggle? Now that's balanced.. some characters have to work alot harder then your simple shoryu, fadc, ultra method.. <_<

#30
Zack_Fer said on December 21, 2010 at 3:08 p.m.

#15 yes! I've heared it too XDDD
It's a shame that he's not going in MVC3...

#31
crispylinks77 said on December 21, 2010 at 3:13 p.m.

- So Yun's dash punch is an armor breaker. Which means you will never be able to focus against him.
- He has an awesome Super that even if scales a lot, still will do a lot of stun.
- His ultra can be used as an AA. And it can combo off of ex Dash punch in the corner.

Also, I don't see why people say he doesn't do much damage. He did about a fourth of Honda's life after one dive kick into bread and butter.

I want to see J. Wong upgrade to Yun or Yang. He will dominate with him.

#32
darkunor said on December 21, 2010 at 3:25 p.m.

"The game will be balanced when every player can cancel their medium p/k into a special move and not just shoto players and the select few outside that circle.. >_> How about we give everyone the ability to special, fadc, into ultra juggle? Now that's balanced.. some characters have to work alot harder then your simple shoryu, fadc, ultra method.. <_<"

It's idiots like you that's why we are getting nerfs beyond nerfs making Streetfighter so commercial and noobfriendly. It's survival of the fittest mate you either adapt or STFU and go and play Call of Duty or Pokemon or whatever you kids play with. Jeez kids today, as soon as anything in the form of a challenge or an obstacle emerges they're sent scurrying and ready to push the "nerf button".

What the hell happened to hardwork and determination, the cornerstones of being a true champion, back in the day people had to accept what they got before the whole internet/feedback thing blew up, the good players adapted and the weak ones like yourself were left in the dust.

What's even sadder is that Capcom being the money grubbing whores are ever ready listen to idiots like you watering down streetfighter for the sake of the almighty dollar!

#33
RandomJohn said on December 21, 2010 at 3:27 p.m.

Yun looks like a good character but I'm not going to get on the bandwagon if AE does comes out for consoles. I started playing Gouken (just to play another character for fun) and I like him despite his lack of links compare to other characters I pick. I can't wait to use his lp palm to start combos and pressures.

#34
TheMasterPlayer said on December 21, 2010 at 3:28 p.m.

I better see some new Characters soon! lol. And some Yang footage would be awesome! From the vids I've seen of the twins at youtube though, it seems that Yun, might be a little bit faster than Yang overall. Heck, I think Yun's dive kick seems faster too. And it seems that he can spam them more than Yang can. I dunno, it's just my observation. I hope I'm wrong coz I'd hate it if one of the twins gets the upper hand, tier-list-wise.

#35
kanped said on December 21, 2010 at 3:29 p.m.

Remember that the super can be used for pressure and mixups as well as pure damage; that's what makes it so good.

#36
orphen446 said on December 21, 2010 at 3:37 p.m.

#34
I partly agree with you, alot of people have lost sense of working hard and adapting, and street fighter is being watered down because of it.

However, the essence of true competitive play is fairness. If the field isn't fair, all is for nothing. This is what makes physical sports so "pure" only your abilities separate you (most sports, i can understand the advantage of equipment in certain sports).

In my OWN personal opinion this is what competitive video gaming lacks. A videogame would like to give options and choices to it's players, but unfortunately balancing a fighting game is damn hard, and some characters just end of being better than others plain and simple. Its very true, if a player works hard enough, usually harder they will prevail. How is this fair though? But I guess thats where the problem is, a perfect world lol, what a ludicrous idea.

#37
cvs said on December 21, 2010 at 3:44 p.m.

In this day and age people don't want to wok hard in a videogame,they would just rather take it easy.

#38
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 3:48 p.m.

..............

"Yea instead of having a wide variety of characters to choose from, we decided we should take things back to 3rd strike where you basically only chose one of 3 characters if you wanted to win, and another 3 if you wanted to annoy your opponent. The other characters are really just for fun and you use them at your own risk"

#39
JasonLee said on December 21, 2010 at 3:48 p.m.

(This user was banned.)

#40
powderedtoastman said on December 21, 2010 at 3:49 p.m.

@#29
the thing they need to nerf first is the cost to play one match.... A dollar per play adds up pretty damn fast, rather pay 15 something for the dlc than spending 15 in a few hours playing at the arcade.

@#30 From the looks of it, only his close MK can be jumped canceled like how it was in 3s, Ibuki and viper can jump cancel alot more and use it to combo into ultras. Not exactly unfair.

@#33 Rufus galactic tornado breaks armor and eats fireballs, also can juggle into U1 in corner normal or ex.
From the sound of it Yun is just a miniature weaker Rufus with an easier to do BnB combo(which in itself is appealing)

#41
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 3:55 p.m.

People are really freaking out way too much. Yun looks strong but no one knows the match up yet. Over time when people figure out how to play against him this whole "OMG BROKEN OMG OP" thing is going to die. Quit making retarded assumptions for new characters.

#42
GUNNAH_MAN said on December 21, 2010 at 3:56 p.m.

why are most of the villian type characters so "run away" like? e.g akuma seth bison, wish there was just 1 without a teleport that was forced to get real close to do good damage like cammy or cody.

#43
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 4:02 p.m.

I dunno 43, there's something about seeing the same characters over and over and over, and nearly always winning, that sortof puts people in a state of alarm about balance.

You didn't really see that when the last game just came out.

#44
irrenmann said on December 21, 2010 at 4:04 p.m.

Tekkenesque juggling in that third video there. Can't say I'm looking forward to this. I hope Capcom makes a few changes before they bring Yun to consoles.

#45
powderedtoastman said on December 21, 2010 at 4:05 p.m.

@#44
Bison needs to be real close to do damage, Seth and Akuma arent gonna win on fireballs alone and they both have good rush down and mix up tactics along with crap health. And Villains need there dirty tricks and escape stuff to fight another day lolol.

#46
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 4:05 p.m.

@45 yes you did. Ibuki raped until people figured out the match up, then she turned out to be pretty average.

Of course the new characters will win a lot. People dont have a clue how to fight them yet. The match-up is in the favor of the people using the new characters.

I am not doubting Yun looks solid. But all these people crying that he needs to be nerfed allready because of how "boken" or "OP" he is is just stupid. Let the game develop before we start crying.

#47
GUNNAH_MAN said on December 21, 2010 at 4:16 p.m.

@powderedtoastman

true i guess but the movies made them seem like they barely needed defense *sigh* maybe I just feel like evil characters should have a lot more attack options, normal health/stun, do good damage, bad defensive options like 1 good ex special move and a good back dash

#48
powderedtoastman said on December 21, 2010 at 4:18 p.m.

@#48 Yun seems to be winning a good deal of matches in general, cant completely say its due to be new, seeing how the people using Yun still gotta figure him out.
Also Yang been getting manhandled most of the matches ive seen so far. Yet him being new too isnt working in his favor.
That is some odd stuff given Yun and Yang symbolism.

#49
GUNNAH_MAN said on December 21, 2010 at 4:32 p.m.

I guess in all, I just want an evil character dedicated to the complete annihilation of the opponent forgetting that they even need defence loool

#50
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 4:34 p.m.

@50 I never said it was completely due to not knowing the matchup. But that does play a big factor... how can you fight a character that you really dont know the characteristics of? Correct punishes? What moves beat out his?

I am just saying observing that a character is strong is fine. But b!tching about a week old character being "broken" or "OP" is stupid. Those words get thrown out way too much these days and its funny because the people who use them use them improperly.

#51
kingofthesharks said on December 21, 2010 at 4:43 p.m.

@#2

I'm not really sure dive kicks hurt the game. One of the main complaints of SF4 is that it is too defensive and that the top tier characters and turtles just need to hold downback 90% of the time. The main ways to get around downback are
1. Jump attacks (slow, risky, reversal prone)
2. Overheads (slow risky, somewhat unsafe, reversal prone)
3. Cross ups (any good player with decent reflexes blocks this more often than not)
4.tick throws (option select beats this a lot)

Among others, the main mindgames you play on defense are whether to block low or block high. A lot of the times the methods around this are too slow against good turtles and the winner is the Defensive guy who reversals at the right time. Wierd how its common to see, in a pressure situation, people winning by finding openings in someone's offense more than players winning by finding openings in their opponents defense.
Dive kicks combined with low normals speed up the process of high/low reading and it makes the game faster paced, for both the offense and defensive players. And to most people faster is usually nicer i think.

#52
crispylinks77 said on December 21, 2010 at 4:43 p.m.

Yun seems pretty damn good if you ask me. There's a reason why a lot of pros are starting to switch to them. You can say things like "we don't know the matchup," but in Super, no pros went and starting REALLY playing characters like Ibuki, Juri, Dudley, and so on. They dabbled, but never switched. Now Kindevu, Daigo, and Marn are all using Yun and doing pretty damn well with them.

Also, when Super came out, the new characters had vastly different moves and playstyle. So I think that's why we didn't know how to fight them.

Yun is just a better/faster Rufus. His jumps are so low and fast that fireballs will probably not be a problem.

#53
crispylinks77 said on December 21, 2010 at 4:49 p.m.

@ 53

Wow, that's a great way to put it. The reason this game is so defensive is because the person being pressured has more advantages than the person doing the pressure. Almost as if they have to always watch what they are doing. Whereas the defensive can just wait and see a time to srk. Pretty gay.

Just like JS Master vs. Mago. JS did so much work and every round was lost because of one srk/fadc/ultra.

#54
powderedtoastman said on December 21, 2010 at 4:53 p.m.

@#52
yea the cries about the newer characters already is pretty bad i agree with you there , and me saying "completely" was just due to you not really mentioning anything else. but once again i do agree on the basic view point of things.

#55
NobleEskimo said on December 21, 2010 at 4:59 p.m.

I can imagine these guys being total dicks and not letting anyone else play, which I'm pretty sure is happening right here.

#56
Shareware said on December 21, 2010 at 5 p.m.

What's all this about "working hard" in a video game? Lol

Seriously, the last I checked, most people like to play video games for fun, to relax, get their mind off of their troubles, and Capcom wants to cater to those fans too. I'm not sure it would be in ANY way smart for Capcom to say "Let's stop being friendly to two thirds of the market and only make games for our HARDCORE fans. That way only a small minority will be happy with our games and only a small minority will buy them." That =/= business sense OR being any fun for MOST gamers. And they want their games to be fun for everybody.

Yeah, gamers want to have fun, and for some, that entails hard work, spending hours upon hours mastering links and other crap, but for MANY others it entails playing your favorite games with your friends for a few hours or by yourself just to help you relax. And I dunno about you, but learning f***ing 1 frame links just stresses me out more. I want to get better, but I don't want to make playing ANY game my LIFE. Fact is, you're CHOOSING to depend on Capcom for your livelihood. You're not just playing a game made exclusively FOR you, and pros have to realize that there are OTHER players who pay good money for Capcom's games, and don't plan on "putting work" into their play. They plan on playing. And unless memory fails, these "inferior" casual gamers outnumber "Hardcore" ones almost 2 to 1.

Capcom knows what its doing, and ALL its trying to do is be loyal to its FANS, both hardcore and casual. Is it to make money? Maybe. Is it to provide excellent fan service? Just as likely. Either way, they've struck gold in both. And I don't see why we can't be happy with that.

#57
eclipsekirby said on December 21, 2010 at 5:04 p.m.

Looking at Yuns strength's and weaknesses reminds me of Ibuki. 900 HP characters with strong combos and mix-ups (thus good meter build) and can get around fireballs well, yet don't seem to have much in the way of defensive options (both use non-FADCable dragon kicks). I'm not too sure what else Yun has to escape pressure, so I may be wrong. I can see what makes Yun strong however.

Are there any videos of strong Yangs out there?

#58
gtfopanda said on December 21, 2010 at 5:05 p.m.

Man, Geneijin scales way too much... Still, it looks damn awesome.

#59
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 5:09 p.m.

@58

Agreed.

Problem is a good chunk of these casual gamers think they are hardcore gamers. Turning the game from something fun into this "gotta win" mentality. Which leads to nothing but complaining and ultimately the fun gets sucked out. Wish more people understood this like you unfortunately we have too many retarded casual gamers out there who think they are something that they really arent.

#60
G4L said on December 21, 2010 at 5:21 p.m.

Yo!!!! I just got back from this arcade! Its called Super Arcade in Walnut, California! Gootecks and Marn were there...I played them both. I only got one round on gootecks when he played Boxer and I played Guile. Then with Marn I got 1 round on him when he played Yun and I played my Guile... I got trolled by them lol! Anyways, if either gootecks or marn is reading this i was the guy with the black and brown addidas jacket and I wore glasses ^-^ I was star struck lol

#61
MrPavy said on December 21, 2010 at 5:23 p.m.

people will pick Yun because daigo plays him now Weeboos...Jk
But seriously he has a week damage output and so does yang

#62
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 5:23 p.m.

I don't remember it being an ibuki fest when super came out, you saw TONS of variety in terms of who was played. Here it's nothing but yun and feilong, and yang to join them shortly.

Just saying. The matchup doesnt change the fact that yun can whiff pushes and gain meter far faster than he should be able to for example.

#63
Shake3 said on December 21, 2010 at 5:28 p.m.

@6 explain to me why you think the feng shui engine is useless, feng shui is all about mind games, and if used properly, can be dangerous, its definately hard to master, but its definately not useless.

#64
DarkCyclone said on December 21, 2010 at 5:39 p.m.

@crispylinks77

Yun could always jump cancel his cl.MK, same with Yang. What would've been unfair is taking that move out.

@Yun being OP

I know I'm on Eventhubs and I shouldn't be expecting much more than what I'm seeing now. But wouldn't it be more sensible to wait a while before deeming a character OP. He's likely to be good but being OP is a whole different story. Wasn't Dudley meant to be OP before he ended up being low tier?

#65
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 5:41 p.m.

@64 It wasn't an Ibuki fest but a few did use her and have instant success and everyone thought she was top tier. This only lasted a few weeks.

It is a Yun fest right now because there are 2 new characters opposed to the 10 when Super dropped out... so the new characters were more spread out in Super.

#66
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 5:44 p.m.

@67

Yup. People dont use common sense anymore. They watch a couple videos of a new character winning and now its OP or broken. f****** idiots.

People need to be more patient.

#67
Raven said on December 21, 2010 at 5:47 p.m.

No one has to spend their life training on a game to get good at it, ten minutes in a training session a day would do casual gamers a lot of good. It's more like they want an instant win button and don't want to deal with the changes made by capcom, so they get their own list of things to make their match-ups easier. I'm a new player and not once did I ask for Sagat or Chun-Li to get nerfed, despite how bad the match-ups actually are. Still, they'll get dominated by good players since they have such a weak mind.

SF4 is opening up the doors for other projects and in that regard Capcom deserves a lot of respect. Fighting games were pretty dead before it came out, but I guess no one remembers that.

Honda is still very strong. He's got good normals, lots of health, and decent damage. So what if he has to work harder, he's still better than 2/3rds of the cast anyway.

Yun won't be OP, his low health assures that. Not to mention is Super isn't as scary due to its timer/horrible damage scaling...

#68
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 5:57 p.m.

@68

Again it was about variety. Sure she looked beastly when she came out but so did dudley and deejay and cody etc etc etc, it's not like it was just one character looking down at the nerfs of other characters.

It's really reminiscent of vanilla right now ,buit at the time we saw that as balanced

#69
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 6 p.m.

@71 not really sure what you are getting at but all I was really trying to say was idiots need to stop calling a one week character OP or broken.

He does look strong as of now. But people need to let the game develop before making such outrageous comments.

#70
rpgfighter said on December 21, 2010 at 6:18 p.m.

Lol at people complaining about Yun being OP.

Notice how hard it is for him to get in, notice how a lot of his combos don't do all that much damage. Notice how damage scaling completly messes up the full damage of Genei Jin.

He will be strong yes but the fact that people are saying he is OP is just lolzy. xDD

#71
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 6:20 p.m.

Wow there are actually some people with some sense out there... i thought I was the only one lol.

#72
SAMURAI said on December 21, 2010 at 6:21 p.m.

Man how long does that super take? It's way too long. A super should be fast like those from other characters.

#73
darkunor said on December 21, 2010 at 6:23 p.m.

@58
You have made very, very valid point, points I have made in some of my older posts, surely the soft casual gamers, the 12 yr olds that buy a new game every week will dictate sales more or less nowadays as we are in the age of the internet, more so than the hardcore SF fan who is still playing SF3 because SF4 isn't good enough. That's obvious, Capcom will have to cater more to the the softcore fans as they pay a huge percentage of their bills. They point I'm making is that these casual gamers play more or less to a minimal level which they are clearly entitled to do, but when you play at a casual level winning isn't so important. And that's my point, when there is no great desire to win you don't or aren't forced to become resourceful, thus not enabling you to look for answers around players/moves.

You see, if it were to be some top japanese player complaining about nerfs I would be likely to take it more seriously because you know they put in the resourceful hours required but yet came up short against an overpowered sagat, but when it's from some 12 yr old who probably plays for 30 mins a day and is lazy to come up with a stratergy, then the question arises in that how valid are the complaints for these nerfs but yet we all know why Capcom agrees so it can sell more DLC or even SSF4 Turbo Arcade edition watering down SF.

#74
CCSXD said on December 21, 2010 at 6:26 p.m.

@65 FSE could be so much better if it didn't take away the ability to chain normals that are usually chainable. If you could open with 3 low shorts/jabs to hit confirm into a typical FSE combo the ultra would be perfect. As it is you just have to push buttons and hope you break their defense or know exactly what mindgame you are going for leaving you with rigid and predictable gameplay.

#75
shinakka said on December 21, 2010 at 6:43 p.m.

He look sooo fun to play as. But I won't be using him because everyone will be. I guess I will stick with Juri.

#76
spotlesseden said on December 21, 2010 at 6:49 p.m.

@NissanZaxima

alot of people who played the game and think Yun is "almost like cheating" and and top tier. if you can think Yun is not top tier that's fine, atleast play the game first and don't said people don't use "common sense". I can link the Daigo interview if you want. Tokido's blog also said Yun is very good.

#77
eclipsekirby said on December 21, 2010 at 6:53 p.m.

@78/shinakka

That's horrible reasoning. Depriving yourself of what you want just to gain the... "benefits"... of avoiding the popular choice is just dumb.

It's not any better than bandwagoning if your avoiding a character purely off of what other people do.

#78
genesiskhan said on December 21, 2010 at 6:55 p.m.

kof 13

#79
NissanZaxima said on December 21, 2010 at 6:55 p.m.

@79 Oh then you also must know that Daigo said Viper is top 5 in SSF4? So everything he says must be true.

Seriously people need to stop d*ickriding these tournament players and everything they say.

#80
Youhou said on December 21, 2010 at 7:10 p.m.

@Anon Agreed. Yun WILL definitely be abused to the fullest and band wagoners WILL most likely jump on the train. Especially after what Daigo said about AE. Not saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about but, people tend to follow what he says BLINDLY.

#81
DarkCyclone said on December 21, 2010 at 7:15 p.m.

@comments on Yun's Super

I think people might be underestimating it's potential. It's still early days, the damage we are seeing now is mostly from target combo xx shoulder xx super > juggle which causes it to get highly scaled

I reckon people will start finding new ways to use it, we are yet to see people activate it for corner pressure, use resets, command grab setups, anti-air into juggles, etc. Seems like something that'll become more fearsome with time

#82
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 7:16 p.m.

People don't follow what he says blindly. If that was true, i'd have read alot about how feilong etc need nerfs but i never saw that complaint once.

#83
flyingmonkey said on December 21, 2010 at 7:21 p.m.

Yun looks good but not op, he's in the same boat as cammy and other rushdown/pressure characters. Characters that have to work hard to get in and do dammage.IMHO

#84
Bloodystool said on December 21, 2010 at 7:24 p.m.

Yun feels like a skinny Rufus. Or the other way around?

#85
Gorav said on December 21, 2010 at 8:07 p.m.

Wait wait wait it costs a dollar for just one game?!

#86
DeadlyMoves said on December 21, 2010 at 8:18 p.m.

Yes Yun looks good.. BUT WHERE THE HELL IS THE YANG FOOTAGE?!

#87
powderedtoastman said on December 21, 2010 at 8:31 p.m.

@#88
Yes dude if you didnt see my previous post, dollar per game. Kinda sucks when you trying to figure stuff out getting whooped on LOLOL.

#88
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 8:44 p.m.

Been a dollar for arcades..since we had arcades here over 10 years ago

#89
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 9:04 p.m.

"yun is obvious top tier. there was no character like that in super. yun started bodying people the first day, and he has a million tools to explore""

Ok thats from warahk, another pro player. So that's yet another pro saying the same damn thing....

#90
Nitecrawler said on December 21, 2010 at 9:24 p.m.

the ending was spectacular lol

#91
GZR666 said on December 21, 2010 at 9:30 p.m.

People crying about the legion of Yun players that are planning to take over SSF4 need to calm the f**k down.

When AE drops and your facing a player using Yun you'll either see one of three things:

1.) Player is experienced but has never played Street Fighter 3, and wants to try out the character because he looks cool, fun, or challenging. May not fully grasp how to properly play him but in time will learn. Chance of losing to him 50/50.

2.) Player is a moron and thinks playing Yun will net him mad EZ mode wins because he read on a forum, message board (or w/e) that Yun is "broken, cheap, OP, and unfair". He has never played SF3, but because of idiots crying "NERF YUN!" he is assured he will be harvesting BP by the thousands. He sees Yun as an unstoppable force of nature and knows nobody can beat him because 90% of the idiots commenting about Yun all say the same stupid s**t. He will however switch immediately back to Ken, Zangief (or whoever he was flowcharting with) once he realises that the crybabies on the boards were wrong about Yun being EZ mode. He is a free win, but will ragequit during the game.

Or 3.) Player is highly experienced in SF3 and SF4 player. He used to main Yun in 3S, and is the reincarnation of KO. He also moved to Japan recently just so he could play SSF4AE earlier than everybody else. He knows all the matchups. He is your nightmare. Leave his lobby unless you enjoy getting juggled like a giant pair of titties. A crowd chanting "AYE!" after every hit will haunt you in your sleep.

Yun is balanced, but apparently that means he's broken around here. His high damage potential is neutralised by his low health. If you lose to a scrub mashing up-kicks, shoulders, and wake-up ultras that's because YOU SUCK. If the guy was a Yun master realise it was his superior skill and knowledge of the game that beat you.

Learn to play, people.

#92
MadnessFamilyguile said on December 21, 2010 at 9:47 p.m.

I find it interesting how usually everyone on this site wants something nerfed in SSF4 where a myriad of characters could be good, but when one character seems to dominate anyone in his way...it's just balanced because.

What happened? It's like the same crowd that can't figure out how to jab blanka ball or defeat the lariat just KNOWS nothing is wrong with yun despite all evidence to the opposite

#93
yuenyun said on December 21, 2010 at 9:50 p.m.

I wouldn't say Yun/Yang are like Rufus, their dive kicks are used a bit differently IMO.

Remember when Super came out and everyone was saying Dudley was god and Ibuki was top top tier? Yeah... it looks like they're good characters but I don't expect people to think they're overpowered after a few months.

I'm a 3rd strike player, so I'm happy about the twins, just not the hype over it. I'll probably concentrate more on Yang than Yun, simply because I've always liked the way Yang plays better. Though... Yun has always been ranked higher in terms of tiers lol. Whatever, I just hope to experience AE for myself soon.

#94
denaycous_dee85 said on December 21, 2010 at 9:52 p.m.

Yun looks great. Just dont like the band waggoners on yun & yang. So il give it time, just like ibuki, where you have to work hard and sometimes your target combos dont come out. Spamming kunais and all that other bs. I think time will tell. The twins will look ghostly when they have hard times winning matchs. 80% defense 20 offence. That should mean something. Especially against gief. I wanna see some AE el fuerte and gief matchs. Yang videos would be nice. Bison and Balrog. Gouken looks like the Gouken hes suppose to be when he came back from the dead. Never had a hard time against dive kick characters against my el fuerte.(rufus,feis).Close matchs, butstill hard to win against. Gouken was a pain, akuma to, but thats where your adjustments and readings kick in. Cant wait. But they should announce new characters already, please nothing evil or shin. Still waiting for R-mika, ono wants her. I think he'll have his way, just have a weird feeling. Hes the troll you gotta love and respect. I wonder what her taunts will be. :) hhmmm

#95
TonyCorleone said on December 21, 2010 at 9:54 p.m.

This is my take on it... Daigo starts losing, Capcom investigate a way to give Daigo an edge in competitive play. The answer? Yun!

Yeh, I know everyone can pick him, but come on, this is Daigo Umehara we're talking about here. Daigo's fu$k%ng Yun will be better than everybody else's. There's a reason why he dominated with Ryu for all those years, because no one else was as good with Ryu as Daigo was.

Vanilla had stinking Sagat, AE has Yun and Yang and fu%king Fei Long. The game is just getting more broken by the minute.

Yun is fu^king broken and that's the be all and end all of it. Fei Long is too fu%king good, and as a result they make his fu%king normals better in AE. He's good enough now, why make him any fu$king better?

#96
denaycous_dee85 said on December 21, 2010 at 10:01 p.m.

DHALSIM S TIER- that doesn't sound right......

#97
roarmonster said on December 21, 2010 at 10:15 p.m.

@TonyCorleone

cry me a river.

Whether you people like it or not SSF4 is incredibly balanced, but it also brought in a crowd of a bunch of babies, that think there good, and when they have a problem with something and it shows them that they are not as good as they thought, instead of accepting this and dealing with it they just cry broken over, and over, and over again. No one character in this game is broken, only a select few matchups are truly broken in this game.

and indicating that Capcom put a character in just for Daigo????? my god, how are you so stupid? HOW DMN YOU, TELL ME HOW!!!!

#98
denaycous_dee85 said on December 21, 2010 at 10:17 p.m.

I see yun as the new ryu of AE. Yang will be ken if he has more combo options and mix ups. Will see alot of these guys online, hope they start announcing new characters by now. :_(

#99
eclipsekirby said on December 21, 2010 at 10:19 p.m.

@98
"This is my take on it... Daigo starts losing, Capcom investigate a way to give Daigo an edge in competitive play. The answer? Yun!"

That doesn't make any sense. And it's not "anyone can pick Yun" that's senseless. It's "Daigo could have picked anybody". Daigo would have picked a character that could perform well, and (in Daigo's mind at the very least) Yun happens to be such a character. Furthermore, tiers are inevitable, so Capcom does not need to make any effort to make a strong character for anyone who only wants to use top-tier characters.

And it is too early to cry broken.

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