Source: Bunsomite's YouTube page, via IPW.
Also, second video, around 30 seconds, you can see the start of Yun's super corner set up (good job, Marn)
As a Honda player I can also say the nerfs are minor for Honda. A good player will still do fine.
Questions ---------------------------------!
1. Can anybody who's played AE vouch for any tech/focus changes to the basic system?
2. Honda players who have played AE, did you notice any Oicho changes?
The damage nerf on honda is pretty bad. I was there watching. I also recorded some of kenos yang against bunsomite and mike ross. Ill have he vids up soon
his genji jin or whatever is awesome.. juri's feng shui is still useless not scary and dumb
Marn starts off looking terrific but you can see the adjustment Mike Ross makes in here. Yun looks good, but not overpowered. Watch how much health Yun loses when he gets hit, I'd bet he has 900 health making him a quick kill.
He's not like Rufus who has a bullsh!t high health rating, Yun is going to die quickly.
Yun's super's damage after his target combo is scaled down so much it doesn't it's worth using. Yea it equals the damage of a super but there's so much work. You screw up the combo, the super meter is wasted.
@2:
Really?!? You hate the fact of people spamming dive kicks but yet, you're excited to play MvC3 where almost every character in that game has the triangle jump tactic which is the equivalent of the dive kick in SSFIV AE. Just be honest and say you suck and can't defend dive kicks SSFIV. Stop hating scrub.
@11
I wouldn't pass judgement on Genei Jin yet. Many high caliber players, such as Tokido and Daigo reported that Genei Jin is the best super move in the whole game and there's still many things to be discovered about it. Keeper Jin took years to be discovered and the game is arcade only, there's a huge lack of information.
"so much work, you screw up the combo, the super meter is wasted", really? Nothing is "too much work", people do whatever it takes to win, if such thing is humanly possible, people will master it.
Yun's super looks fun even if it does scale down. I like this character :)
Yun's genei-jin looks even more overpowered than it was on 3s... at least it's much harder to build it in AE than it was in 3s.
oni akuma and evil ryu are a joke trust me no i mean there just a joke capcom are playing on us
@kpholics
i was about to call it twins edition but yours seems more fitting lol. but seriously i really want to see yang i mained him and makoto in 3rd trike so
@m1northreat
are you going to link the vids here?
yu was my main in SF3, i love that charachter and is nice to see him back
but he really looks OP, i mean, he is gonna be my main again, cause i love his style but as a new charachter is not well balance and is not fair for the other players.
i will be maining ryu at the same time as i play yun but if the char is too OP i will not play it
Lmao Yun can jump cancel a normal attack. That is so godlike... and also very unfair.
The game will be balanced when every player can cancel their medium p/k into a special move and not just shoto players and the select few outside that circle.. >_> How about we give everyone the ability to special, fadc, into ultra juggle? Now that's balanced.. some characters have to work alot harder then your simple shoryu, fadc, ultra method.. <_<
- So Yun's dash punch is an armor breaker. Which means you will never be able to focus against him.
- He has an awesome Super that even if scales a lot, still will do a lot of stun.
- His ultra can be used as an AA. And it can combo off of ex Dash punch in the corner.
Also, I don't see why people say he doesn't do much damage. He did about a fourth of Honda's life after one dive kick into bread and butter.
I want to see J. Wong upgrade to Yun or Yang. He will dominate with him.
"The game will be balanced when every player can cancel their medium p/k into a special move and not just shoto players and the select few outside that circle.. >_> How about we give everyone the ability to special, fadc, into ultra juggle? Now that's balanced.. some characters have to work alot harder then your simple shoryu, fadc, ultra method.. <_<"
It's idiots like you that's why we are getting nerfs beyond nerfs making Streetfighter so commercial and noobfriendly. It's survival of the fittest mate you either adapt or STFU and go and play Call of Duty or Pokemon or whatever you kids play with. Jeez kids today, as soon as anything in the form of a challenge or an obstacle emerges they're sent scurrying and ready to push the "nerf button".
What the hell happened to hardwork and determination, the cornerstones of being a true champion, back in the day people had to accept what they got before the whole internet/feedback thing blew up, the good players adapted and the weak ones like yourself were left in the dust.
What's even sadder is that Capcom being the money grubbing whores are ever ready listen to idiots like you watering down streetfighter for the sake of the almighty dollar!
Yun looks like a good character but I'm not going to get on the bandwagon if AE does comes out for consoles. I started playing Gouken (just to play another character for fun) and I like him despite his lack of links compare to other characters I pick. I can't wait to use his lp palm to start combos and pressures.
I better see some new Characters soon! lol. And some Yang footage would be awesome! From the vids I've seen of the twins at youtube though, it seems that Yun, might be a little bit faster than Yang overall. Heck, I think Yun's dive kick seems faster too. And it seems that he can spam them more than Yang can. I dunno, it's just my observation. I hope I'm wrong coz I'd hate it if one of the twins gets the upper hand, tier-list-wise.
#34
I partly agree with you, alot of people have lost sense of working hard and adapting, and street fighter is being watered down because of it.
However, the essence of true competitive play is fairness. If the field isn't fair, all is for nothing. This is what makes physical sports so "pure" only your abilities separate you (most sports, i can understand the advantage of equipment in certain sports).
In my OWN personal opinion this is what competitive video gaming lacks. A videogame would like to give options and choices to it's players, but unfortunately balancing a fighting game is damn hard, and some characters just end of being better than others plain and simple. Its very true, if a player works hard enough, usually harder they will prevail. How is this fair though? But I guess thats where the problem is, a perfect world lol, what a ludicrous idea.
..............
"Yea instead of having a wide variety of characters to choose from, we decided we should take things back to 3rd strike where you basically only chose one of 3 characters if you wanted to win, and another 3 if you wanted to annoy your opponent. The other characters are really just for fun and you use them at your own risk"
You always know someones an awful person(ie scrub) when they use other games as insults.
34: Pokemon? Call of Duty? If you play these does that mean you suddenly are garbage? How does that even make sense? Also, why do people always bring it up out of no where?
It's basically a non argument that people use to feel better about themselves.
Get out of here.
@#29
the thing they need to nerf first is the cost to play one match.... A dollar per play adds up pretty damn fast, rather pay 15 something for the dlc than spending 15 in a few hours playing at the arcade.
@#30 From the looks of it, only his close MK can be jumped canceled like how it was in 3s, Ibuki and viper can jump cancel alot more and use it to combo into ultras. Not exactly unfair.
@#33 Rufus galactic tornado breaks armor and eats fireballs, also can juggle into U1 in corner normal or ex.
From the sound of it Yun is just a miniature weaker Rufus with an easier to do BnB combo(which in itself is appealing)
People are really freaking out way too much. Yun looks strong but no one knows the match up yet. Over time when people figure out how to play against him this whole "OMG BROKEN OMG OP" thing is going to die. Quit making retarded assumptions for new characters.
why are most of the villian type characters so "run away" like? e.g akuma seth bison, wish there was just 1 without a teleport that was forced to get real close to do good damage like cammy or cody.
I dunno 43, there's something about seeing the same characters over and over and over, and nearly always winning, that sortof puts people in a state of alarm about balance.
You didn't really see that when the last game just came out.
@#44
Bison needs to be real close to do damage, Seth and Akuma arent gonna win on fireballs alone and they both have good rush down and mix up tactics along with crap health. And Villains need there dirty tricks and escape stuff to fight another day lolol.
@45 yes you did. Ibuki raped until people figured out the match up, then she turned out to be pretty average.
Of course the new characters will win a lot. People dont have a clue how to fight them yet. The match-up is in the favor of the people using the new characters.
I am not doubting Yun looks solid. But all these people crying that he needs to be nerfed allready because of how "boken" or "OP" he is is just stupid. Let the game develop before we start crying.
@powderedtoastman
true i guess but the movies made them seem like they barely needed defense *sigh* maybe I just feel like evil characters should have a lot more attack options, normal health/stun, do good damage, bad defensive options like 1 good ex special move and a good back dash
@#48 Yun seems to be winning a good deal of matches in general, cant completely say its due to be new, seeing how the people using Yun still gotta figure him out.
Also Yang been getting manhandled most of the matches ive seen so far. Yet him being new too isnt working in his favor.
That is some odd stuff given Yun and Yang symbolism.
I guess in all, I just want an evil character dedicated to the complete annihilation of the opponent forgetting that they even need defence loool
@50 I never said it was completely due to not knowing the matchup. But that does play a big factor... how can you fight a character that you really dont know the characteristics of? Correct punishes? What moves beat out his?
I am just saying observing that a character is strong is fine. But b!tching about a week old character being "broken" or "OP" is stupid. Those words get thrown out way too much these days and its funny because the people who use them use them improperly.
@#2
I'm not really sure dive kicks hurt the game. One of the main complaints of SF4 is that it is too defensive and that the top tier characters and turtles just need to hold downback 90% of the time. The main ways to get around downback are
1. Jump attacks (slow, risky, reversal prone)
2. Overheads (slow risky, somewhat unsafe, reversal prone)
3. Cross ups (any good player with decent reflexes blocks this more often than not)
4.tick throws (option select beats this a lot)
Among others, the main mindgames you play on defense are whether to block low or block high. A lot of the times the methods around this are too slow against good turtles and the winner is the Defensive guy who reversals at the right time. Wierd how its common to see, in a pressure situation, people winning by finding openings in someone's offense more than players winning by finding openings in their opponents defense.
Dive kicks combined with low normals speed up the process of high/low reading and it makes the game faster paced, for both the offense and defensive players. And to most people faster is usually nicer i think.
Yun seems pretty damn good if you ask me. There's a reason why a lot of pros are starting to switch to them. You can say things like "we don't know the matchup," but in Super, no pros went and starting REALLY playing characters like Ibuki, Juri, Dudley, and so on. They dabbled, but never switched. Now Kindevu, Daigo, and Marn are all using Yun and doing pretty damn well with them.
Also, when Super came out, the new characters had vastly different moves and playstyle. So I think that's why we didn't know how to fight them.
Yun is just a better/faster Rufus. His jumps are so low and fast that fireballs will probably not be a problem.
@ 53
Wow, that's a great way to put it. The reason this game is so defensive is because the person being pressured has more advantages than the person doing the pressure. Almost as if they have to always watch what they are doing. Whereas the defensive can just wait and see a time to srk. Pretty gay.
Just like JS Master vs. Mago. JS did so much work and every round was lost because of one srk/fadc/ultra.
@#52
yea the cries about the newer characters already is pretty bad i agree with you there , and me saying "completely" was just due to you not really mentioning anything else. but once again i do agree on the basic view point of things.
I can imagine these guys being total dicks and not letting anyone else play, which I'm pretty sure is happening right here.
What's all this about "working hard" in a video game? Lol
Seriously, the last I checked, most people like to play video games for fun, to relax, get their mind off of their troubles, and Capcom wants to cater to those fans too. I'm not sure it would be in ANY way smart for Capcom to say "Let's stop being friendly to two thirds of the market and only make games for our HARDCORE fans. That way only a small minority will be happy with our games and only a small minority will buy them." That =/= business sense OR being any fun for MOST gamers. And they want their games to be fun for everybody.
Yeah, gamers want to have fun, and for some, that entails hard work, spending hours upon hours mastering links and other crap, but for MANY others it entails playing your favorite games with your friends for a few hours or by yourself just to help you relax. And I dunno about you, but learning f***ing 1 frame links just stresses me out more. I want to get better, but I don't want to make playing ANY game my LIFE. Fact is, you're CHOOSING to depend on Capcom for your livelihood. You're not just playing a game made exclusively FOR you, and pros have to realize that there are OTHER players who pay good money for Capcom's games, and don't plan on "putting work" into their play. They plan on playing. And unless memory fails, these "inferior" casual gamers outnumber "Hardcore" ones almost 2 to 1.
Capcom knows what its doing, and ALL its trying to do is be loyal to its FANS, both hardcore and casual. Is it to make money? Maybe. Is it to provide excellent fan service? Just as likely. Either way, they've struck gold in both. And I don't see why we can't be happy with that.
Looking at Yuns strength's and weaknesses reminds me of Ibuki. 900 HP characters with strong combos and mix-ups (thus good meter build) and can get around fireballs well, yet don't seem to have much in the way of defensive options (both use non-FADCable dragon kicks). I'm not too sure what else Yun has to escape pressure, so I may be wrong. I can see what makes Yun strong however.
Are there any videos of strong Yangs out there?
@58
Agreed.
Problem is a good chunk of these casual gamers think they are hardcore gamers. Turning the game from something fun into this "gotta win" mentality. Which leads to nothing but complaining and ultimately the fun gets sucked out. Wish more people understood this like you unfortunately we have too many retarded casual gamers out there who think they are something that they really arent.
Yo!!!! I just got back from this arcade! Its called Super Arcade in Walnut, California! Gootecks and Marn were there...I played them both. I only got one round on gootecks when he played Boxer and I played Guile. Then with Marn I got 1 round on him when he played Yun and I played my Guile... I got trolled by them lol! Anyways, if either gootecks or marn is reading this i was the guy with the black and brown addidas jacket and I wore glasses ^-^ I was star struck lol
I don't remember it being an ibuki fest when super came out, you saw TONS of variety in terms of who was played. Here it's nothing but yun and feilong, and yang to join them shortly.
Just saying. The matchup doesnt change the fact that yun can whiff pushes and gain meter far faster than he should be able to for example.
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@crispylinks77
Yun could always jump cancel his cl.MK, same with Yang. What would've been unfair is taking that move out.
@Yun being OP
I know I'm on Eventhubs and I shouldn't be expecting much more than what I'm seeing now. But wouldn't it be more sensible to wait a while before deeming a character OP. He's likely to be good but being OP is a whole different story. Wasn't Dudley meant to be OP before he ended up being low tier?
@64 It wasn't an Ibuki fest but a few did use her and have instant success and everyone thought she was top tier. This only lasted a few weeks.
It is a Yun fest right now because there are 2 new characters opposed to the 10 when Super dropped out... so the new characters were more spread out in Super.
@67
Yup. People dont use common sense anymore. They watch a couple videos of a new character winning and now its OP or broken. f****** idiots.
People need to be more patient.
No one has to spend their life training on a game to get good at it, ten minutes in a training session a day would do casual gamers a lot of good. It's more like they want an instant win button and don't want to deal with the changes made by capcom, so they get their own list of things to make their match-ups easier. I'm a new player and not once did I ask for Sagat or Chun-Li to get nerfed, despite how bad the match-ups actually are. Still, they'll get dominated by good players since they have such a weak mind.
SF4 is opening up the doors for other projects and in that regard Capcom deserves a lot of respect. Fighting games were pretty dead before it came out, but I guess no one remembers that.
Honda is still very strong. He's got good normals, lots of health, and decent damage. So what if he has to work harder, he's still better than 2/3rds of the cast anyway.
Yun won't be OP, his low health assures that. Not to mention is Super isn't as scary due to its timer/horrible damage scaling...
@68
Again it was about variety. Sure she looked beastly when she came out but so did dudley and deejay and cody etc etc etc, it's not like it was just one character looking down at the nerfs of other characters.
It's really reminiscent of vanilla right now ,buit at the time we saw that as balanced
@71 not really sure what you are getting at but all I was really trying to say was idiots need to stop calling a one week character OP or broken.
He does look strong as of now. But people need to let the game develop before making such outrageous comments.
Lol at people complaining about Yun being OP.
Notice how hard it is for him to get in, notice how a lot of his combos don't do all that much damage. Notice how damage scaling completly messes up the full damage of Genei Jin.
He will be strong yes but the fact that people are saying he is OP is just lolzy. xDD
Wow there are actually some people with some sense out there... i thought I was the only one lol.
@58
You have made very, very valid point, points I have made in some of my older posts, surely the soft casual gamers, the 12 yr olds that buy a new game every week will dictate sales more or less nowadays as we are in the age of the internet, more so than the hardcore SF fan who is still playing SF3 because SF4 isn't good enough. That's obvious, Capcom will have to cater more to the the softcore fans as they pay a huge percentage of their bills. They point I'm making is that these casual gamers play more or less to a minimal level which they are clearly entitled to do, but when you play at a casual level winning isn't so important. And that's my point, when there is no great desire to win you don't or aren't forced to become resourceful, thus not enabling you to look for answers around players/moves.
You see, if it were to be some top japanese player complaining about nerfs I would be likely to take it more seriously because you know they put in the resourceful hours required but yet came up short against an overpowered sagat, but when it's from some 12 yr old who probably plays for 30 mins a day and is lazy to come up with a stratergy, then the question arises in that how valid are the complaints for these nerfs but yet we all know why Capcom agrees so it can sell more DLC or even SSF4 Turbo Arcade edition watering down SF.
@65 FSE could be so much better if it didn't take away the ability to chain normals that are usually chainable. If you could open with 3 low shorts/jabs to hit confirm into a typical FSE combo the ultra would be perfect. As it is you just have to push buttons and hope you break their defense or know exactly what mindgame you are going for leaving you with rigid and predictable gameplay.
@NissanZaxima
alot of people who played the game and think Yun is "almost like cheating" and and top tier. if you can think Yun is not top tier that's fine, atleast play the game first and don't said people don't use "common sense". I can link the Daigo interview if you want. Tokido's blog also said Yun is very good.
@78/shinakka
That's horrible reasoning. Depriving yourself of what you want just to gain the... "benefits"... of avoiding the popular choice is just dumb.
It's not any better than bandwagoning if your avoiding a character purely off of what other people do.
@79 Oh then you also must know that Daigo said Viper is top 5 in SSF4? So everything he says must be true.
Seriously people need to stop d*ickriding these tournament players and everything they say.
@Anon Agreed. Yun WILL definitely be abused to the fullest and band wagoners WILL most likely jump on the train. Especially after what Daigo said about AE. Not saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about but, people tend to follow what he says BLINDLY.
@comments on Yun's Super
I think people might be underestimating it's potential. It's still early days, the damage we are seeing now is mostly from target combo xx shoulder xx super > juggle which causes it to get highly scaled
I reckon people will start finding new ways to use it, we are yet to see people activate it for corner pressure, use resets, command grab setups, anti-air into juggles, etc. Seems like something that'll become more fearsome with time
People don't follow what he says blindly. If that was true, i'd have read alot about how feilong etc need nerfs but i never saw that complaint once.
Yun looks good but not op, he's in the same boat as cammy and other rushdown/pressure characters. Characters that have to work hard to get in and do dammage.IMHO
Yun feels like a skinny Rufus. Or the other way around?
Yes Yun looks good.. BUT WHERE THE HELL IS THE YANG FOOTAGE?!
@#88
Yes dude if you didnt see my previous post, dollar per game. Kinda sucks when you trying to figure stuff out getting whooped on LOLOL.
Been a dollar for arcades..since we had arcades here over 10 years ago
"yun is obvious top tier. there was no character like that in super. yun started bodying people the first day, and he has a million tools to explore""
Ok thats from warahk, another pro player. So that's yet another pro saying the same damn thing....
People crying about the legion of Yun players that are planning to take over SSF4 need to calm the f**k down.
When AE drops and your facing a player using Yun you'll either see one of three things:
1.) Player is experienced but has never played Street Fighter 3, and wants to try out the character because he looks cool, fun, or challenging. May not fully grasp how to properly play him but in time will learn. Chance of losing to him 50/50.
2.) Player is a moron and thinks playing Yun will net him mad EZ mode wins because he read on a forum, message board (or w/e) that Yun is "broken, cheap, OP, and unfair". He has never played SF3, but because of idiots crying "NERF YUN!" he is assured he will be harvesting BP by the thousands. He sees Yun as an unstoppable force of nature and knows nobody can beat him because 90% of the idiots commenting about Yun all say the same stupid s**t. He will however switch immediately back to Ken, Zangief (or whoever he was flowcharting with) once he realises that the crybabies on the boards were wrong about Yun being EZ mode. He is a free win, but will ragequit during the game.
Or 3.) Player is highly experienced in SF3 and SF4 player. He used to main Yun in 3S, and is the reincarnation of KO. He also moved to Japan recently just so he could play SSF4AE earlier than everybody else. He knows all the matchups. He is your nightmare. Leave his lobby unless you enjoy getting juggled like a giant pair of titties. A crowd chanting "AYE!" after every hit will haunt you in your sleep.
Yun is balanced, but apparently that means he's broken around here. His high damage potential is neutralised by his low health. If you lose to a scrub mashing up-kicks, shoulders, and wake-up ultras that's because YOU SUCK. If the guy was a Yun master realise it was his superior skill and knowledge of the game that beat you.
Learn to play, people.
I find it interesting how usually everyone on this site wants something nerfed in SSF4 where a myriad of characters could be good, but when one character seems to dominate anyone in his way...it's just balanced because.
What happened? It's like the same crowd that can't figure out how to jab blanka ball or defeat the lariat just KNOWS nothing is wrong with yun despite all evidence to the opposite
I wouldn't say Yun/Yang are like Rufus, their dive kicks are used a bit differently IMO.
Remember when Super came out and everyone was saying Dudley was god and Ibuki was top top tier? Yeah... it looks like they're good characters but I don't expect people to think they're overpowered after a few months.
I'm a 3rd strike player, so I'm happy about the twins, just not the hype over it. I'll probably concentrate more on Yang than Yun, simply because I've always liked the way Yang plays better. Though... Yun has always been ranked higher in terms of tiers lol. Whatever, I just hope to experience AE for myself soon.
Yun looks great. Just dont like the band waggoners on yun & yang. So il give it time, just like ibuki, where you have to work hard and sometimes your target combos dont come out. Spamming kunais and all that other bs. I think time will tell. The twins will look ghostly when they have hard times winning matchs. 80% defense 20 offence. That should mean something. Especially against gief. I wanna see some AE el fuerte and gief matchs. Yang videos would be nice. Bison and Balrog. Gouken looks like the Gouken hes suppose to be when he came back from the dead. Never had a hard time against dive kick characters against my el fuerte.(rufus,feis).Close matchs, butstill hard to win against. Gouken was a pain, akuma to, but thats where your adjustments and readings kick in. Cant wait. But they should announce new characters already, please nothing evil or shin. Still waiting for R-mika, ono wants her. I think he'll have his way, just have a weird feeling. Hes the troll you gotta love and respect. I wonder what her taunts will be. :) hhmmm
This is my take on it... Daigo starts losing, Capcom investigate a way to give Daigo an edge in competitive play. The answer? Yun!
Yeh, I know everyone can pick him, but come on, this is Daigo Umehara we're talking about here. Daigo's fu$k%ng Yun will be better than everybody else's. There's a reason why he dominated with Ryu for all those years, because no one else was as good with Ryu as Daigo was.
Vanilla had stinking Sagat, AE has Yun and Yang and fu%king Fei Long. The game is just getting more broken by the minute.
Yun is fu^king broken and that's the be all and end all of it. Fei Long is too fu%king good, and as a result they make his fu%king normals better in AE. He's good enough now, why make him any fu$king better?
DHALSIM S TIER- that doesn't sound right......
@TonyCorleone
cry me a river.
Whether you people like it or not SSF4 is incredibly balanced, but it also brought in a crowd of a bunch of babies, that think there good, and when they have a problem with something and it shows them that they are not as good as they thought, instead of accepting this and dealing with it they just cry broken over, and over, and over again. No one character in this game is broken, only a select few matchups are truly broken in this game.
and indicating that Capcom put a character in just for Daigo????? my god, how are you so stupid? HOW DMN YOU, TELL ME HOW!!!!
I see yun as the new ryu of AE. Yang will be ken if he has more combo options and mix ups. Will see alot of these guys online, hope they start announcing new characters by now. :_(
@98
"This is my take on it... Daigo starts losing, Capcom investigate a way to give Daigo an edge in competitive play. The answer? Yun!"
That doesn't make any sense. And it's not "anyone can pick Yun" that's senseless. It's "Daigo could have picked anybody". Daigo would have picked a character that could perform well, and (in Daigo's mind at the very least) Yun happens to be such a character. Furthermore, tiers are inevitable, so Capcom does not need to make any effort to make a strong character for anyone who only wants to use top-tier characters.
And it is too early to cry broken.
Wonder if ryu and ken will be played as often?
Changing from guile/ryu to yun is actually a pretty big step.....
I agree madness. His guile wasn't turtly or spammy. He focused on his projectiles, air grabs, sf punchs in addition to his combos. He kinda surprised me when he started to using guile. Wasnt that bad. Now yun, dont think he used yun in 3rd strike. Got me anxious to see his yun and yang videos. For real.
Cross counter just made me like Mike for some reason. Marn is a great competitor though, and seeing a decent Yun this early is pretty awesome. I'm hoping someone pulls out a decent Makoto in 2011 though, or at least a few Yangs at the top of the lists.
Thats what surprised me in a guile player. Most do.
Finally Ken is S-Tier!
who's that guy with the 94% win rate?
Good morning, mister masters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uZWAr...
I remain loyal to Makoto and will enjoy exploring her changes...the only thing that's going to end up happening is people are still going to be using Ryu heavily...im not really worried about the Yun n Yang hype...most people fool with the newer characters but then just run back to the hadouken...jus sayin...not hatin on you Ryu mainers lol jus sayin that well...diversity is wats lacking in this game already to be honest...most great matches are ones you have to search for online via youtube or here just to get a taste of sumthin new and exciting...for those of us busy with school and jobs and such and cant always attend these tournament scenes online play is wat establishes the flow of the game at the end of the day....and sadly the flow still remains Ryu heavy :/...all in all Yun and Yang look awesome but i wouldnt say OP just yet simply because i havent played it :P
108, thats how the majority of guile players play actually.....
I mean they play sorta like daigo, nothing fancy just precise spacing zoning and counters
@100 and a few others...
Good to see some people that make sense are starting to speak their mind more. I have never seen a community with so many people delusional about their skill and so critical of the game they play.
There is no way you can come to a solid conclusion about a new character this soon when all you have is a few videos circulating with limited players and match ups.
"Posted by MrPavy on December 21, 2010 at 5:23 p.m. #63
people will pick Yun because daigo plays him now Weeboos...Jk"
No, most people who are on xbox live or psn don't even know who Daigo is.
After finally being able to watch the second video, looks like defensive honda is probably a bad matchup for yun,slightly ofcourse.
Damn does honda have to work his @** off for wins now, and thats against a character with LOW health
People jump to conclusions too fast here. Sure, Daigo sais Yun is high tier and that may be true. But remember back in 2008/09 before SF4 came out on consoles when Viper shot up to S tier on the tier list? Players eventually figured her out and she dropped. Same thing happened to Dudley before Super came out. Everybody saying he's high tier but now look at where he is on the list. Still too early for this game.
Props to Marn for picking new characters. Ross shoulda totally picked Yang then these vids would be perfect.
Played 4 games of Yun and one of Yang then tried my main and a few sub characters. Players in Akiba Taito arcade are too damn strong!
Actually, viper was really low when sf4 came out until people figured her out, its bison that was considered S tier. WTF is with all the clones talking about dudley? You all the same person or something? Sure would explain alot.
@MadnessFamilyguile
haha naw, we arent clones, we are just too impatient read 120+ messages or too stupid to use the word finder on our browsers.:/
I was searching for were I saw C.viper high but cant find that specific list. All I found was a message about it. If my memory serves me right, she was low when SF4 came out in the cades then shot up to S then went down again before the console ver. came out.
@MadnessFamilyguile
Nevermind, just found it>
Tougeki 02/2009 SF4 Tier List
This was the most recent tier list from Tougeki Damashii:
S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief
S
Ryu, Bison(Boxer), Rufus, Blanka
A
Chun li, Vega(Dic), Ken, Dhalsim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte
B
Balrog(Claw), Guile
Balrog, Vega, and Bison are referring to their Japanese names (i.e. Balrog = Claw).
Taken from >http://shoryuken.com/f241/tougeki-02-2009-sf4-tier-list-discussion-177307/
Can i say somthing here? Anyone whos played 3rd strike at any kind of non scrubby level will agree that yun is not hard to master at all...Hell i played everyone in 3S, and with him bieng in arcade edition just makes it that much easier. So the s*hit you guys see marn doing is quite easy. Once you get the timing down in this game you can combo with anyone...Yun is not at all broken just because he has a dive kick...RUFUSUS DIVE KICK IS BROKEN! If you guys are scared of what yun can do then learn dan you'll see he owns most of the cast if you play him correct! =)
i think its dumb to make competitive games more noob friendly for casual players. the game devolpers need to focus on casual gamers or hardcore gamers, cuz trying to please both parties makes the game overall bad. MvC3 is the perfect example. they are putting a easy mode, so its gonna be more like tatsunoko vs capcom where there 3 main attacks (launcher, special, assits). its gonna be dumb cuz theres gonna be casual players keeping up with hardcore gamers by mashing 2 random buttons and there gonna pe pulling off like 45 hit combo, and its not really fair to the people who actually take the time to learn the timing, the combos, the special moves, what connects an links into each other an they get away with pressing 2 buttons over an over an being able to do the same thing. i understand people dont wanna take it serious but everyone has to start from somewhere, why cant the start from where we started, why should they get handouts. does anyone else agree?
@125
They said that people who use easy mode are going to have EXTREMELY limited move sets, and simple moders might be blockable. And seriously, how HARD have you worked when you get your ass kicked by someone who can't even handle the NORMAL controls AND has a limited moveset?? Do you REALLY think that TWO buttons are going to offer even a SIMILAR degree of control as four? Especially to someone who uses them because they're THAT casual?
Yeah, sure it would be stupid for them to try and make their games appeal to everybody. What, do they want to run a business and not alienate their casual fans or something?
And OF COURSE MVC3 is gonna be bad. I'll bet it's the WORST GAME EVER, because some things aren't the same as in MVC2. Just like how SSF4 was a critical, professional, and sales FLOP because of how it tried to bring in new fans. I mean, you never see it played in tournaments!
OH WAIT.
@#126
but think about it, whats the point of having that easy mode if it isnt gonna benifit them. they are making it easy for them to compete with intermediate and harcore players. its true they are limited to what they can do, but they also get benifits aswell such as being able to do 30-50 hit combos by only mashing those 2 or 3 buttons.
i wonder why they arent reducing the stun on zangeifs headbutt by atleast 75%. that move is the definition of broken, that is truly the most broken move in the game if u counter hit with it. it does atleast 750 stun, cuz in the funny moments video on the main page of eventhubs there was a seth jump kickin zangief an he countered it with jump straight up headbutt an it stunned seth instantly. this moves stun on counter should be no more then 150 - 200 stun damage, it doing 750 makes it beyond broken.
Yun seems like the type of character that JWong would enjoy playing. Very much like Rufus in my mind. Great dive kick pressure, good setups into super/ultra, awesome mix-ups, good anti-airs.
We could start seeing Daigo vs Wong mirror matches in upcoming tourneys.
LOL at these comments. xD
Keep going guys this is great.
"Yun will be like Ryu and Yang will be like Ken."
Freaking A xDDDDDDDDD this is too good. xD
a lot of people are comparing Yun to Rufus but actually hes more closer to Cammy. the only difference being his dive kick is jump forward+down any kick (strength determines angle). when hes hits he goes into a lot of links cancelling into specials. more damage scaling in my opinion than Rufus. he also has the same amount of health and same hit box. people who hated Cammy will most likely hate Yun. people who play this game for what it is...a fricken game...will enjoy a new character.
^^^
someone get rid of this fast before it spreads. Catalyst?
ooops my arrows are pointing to my comment. lol i obviously mean the guy above my 1st comment
@ Halos
its funny in one of your posts you say that SF4 is to noob friendly, and now your complaining about two characters who are not even that well on the teir-list and in actual tournies. i cant remember the last time i got hit by Giefs headbutt and Adon is so crappy to play with, its because people are good, thats why he seems broken (to you).
@136
what does them not being high on the tier list have anything to do with how over powered adon is an how broken zangiefs headbutt is. all the tier list is for is to show the match up. do u wanna know how they get the match up info, they put cpu up against each other an see who win best out of 10. how are you comparing cpu to actual players. so really tier ranks dont mean a single thing, it goes by what player is good. makoto is rated the worst in the game but i have no problem trashing people with her. i have seen justin wong beat plenty of other pros with her. an if im not mistaken his best character rufus is top tier an didnt he lose in a tournament to a Zangief, then get put out of the loser braket 1 game later by a adon. and both people who beat him were using controllers, and everyone says its harder to play with controllers which i honestly dont see a difference its a choice of preference. but according to the rest of world who play with arcade sticks its harder so they had garbage characters according to ur tier list an they were at a disadvantage cuz they were using controllers but did they not still beat him. and he is the best in the US and he lost to them. all im sayin is that the tier list dont mean anything it goes by how good a player is with that character, an yes adon is over powered an zangiefs headbutt is broken cuz it does 600 stun normal an 750 on counter.
an yea the game is a lil noob friendly cuz u got people like ryu,ken,akuma,sagat,fei long,dan,cammy,ect. who all have there get out of jail free card if there being crowded.
u got people like zangief an t.hawk who can catch u with 4 or 5 grabs if ur tryin to combo or poke them an its game over. u got people like ryu, ect. who can spam fireballs all day then when u get close jump an do hurricane kick to go to the other side an do it again or sagat who runs an spams an if u get to close he can throw u then u gotta start over to close to him again. people who pick guile, chun li, balrog, dee jay an they do nothing but turtle when they have really good offensive skills an only push up with fireballs (guile, chun, dee jay obviously). then u got people like dhalsim, seth, bison, akuma, vega, who get there couple hits in then run away with teleport (backflip for vega) all day. so u cant tell me this game wasnt made for noobs who want to sit back, spam an run all day, cuz it wasnt made for people who wanna push up an combo. they made characters who can sit back an turtle the best in the game.
the game creators are gonna listen to the noobs an make the game more noob friedly cuz noobs are complain about stupid stuff like :i shouldnt be able to get crowded so give me a get out of jail free card (shoryuken),: i shouldnt have to learn fadc so let me just be able to catch people with jump kick/punch ultra or lp shoryuken ultra. an one of them wackest things is the the grab button option select when people sit in crouch an mash grab so if u get someone on a block string they continue to block they miss time there atk they get lk for reversal or if someone trys to grab them it gets tech'd. it the wackest option select cuz it does all 3 of these things. which how the game should go is if there pressing anything they should no longer be blocking. they should get counter hit for tryin to slip in a atk, this apply for people who use zangief or people who mash shoryuken, some please tell me this, how can u block while ur pressing foward down forward when it requires u to hold back... the moment u let go of back or u try an throw a atk ur character should no longer be blocking.
first of all a good player adapts to anything. "spam cheap turtle" these are all words people who have never been to tournies or only play online use. if you cant deal with turtles or just simply JUMP over fireballs, then sorry but you suck. plain and simple. secondly teir-lists are not made up by putting a computer against another computer. their are people who study the game and learn who is the best character by his/her moveset reversals damage etc... ive put Dan against Sagat (in vanilla) and Dan won more than 3 matches. and teirs do have something to do with this situation (you saying broken and cheap). ive never seen anyone,other than scrubs complain about a character whos low on the teir list. if you have trouble with gief dont jump and if Adon is so broken, than you start playing with him. look it all the characters you named that in your opinion are "broken."
Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Sagat, Fei, DAN (WTF), Cammy, Gief, Hawk, Guile, Chun, Rog, Dee Jay, Sim, Seth, Bison, VEGA (again WTF).
you named 17 characters who are "broken" because you
1) hate them
2) suck horribly at the game and need an excuse to make you feel like your good at the game.
or 3)just trolling to make us angry
third. OS crouch tech can be easily stopped. when you see your opponent crouch teching like crazy use a low frame move (DP SPD) to stuff his crouching short. its simple. not that hard to perform either. now you have nothing to complain about OS crouch tech. if your opponent doesnt fall for that, then obviously hes good at crouch tech and knows exactly when your going to throw. therefore you mix it up. empty jump in throw. or cr. normal (depending on who you use) wait a sec and cr. normal again to stuff his constant crouch teching.
the only thing i agree with you on is how noob friendly this game is. two reasons
1) people who have never played past SF games can excel at this game with little practice
2) when people like you have a problem with a character whos not even good, Capcom nerfs the crap out of him. thats why Gen and Blanka and various others are getting lower and lower, and soon will be unusable. luckily we have people in the SF community (Kuroda main example) who beast with low-teir characters.
I forgot one more thing. the reason Wong and lost to Vangief was because he didnt know the match-up that well. Wong sucks because unlike Daigo he cant adapt quickly within a few matches. even GamerBee lost to Wongs Makoto, until he adapted. think about it. try adapting instead of complaing about characters who arent strong. if youve ever played 3rd strike or SF2 or even SFA, you would know a hard game. then go back to to SSF4 you'll kick your self for seeing how easy this game is lol.
that was too much writing. im going to go eat some oreos
1) im no scrub/ noob at street fighter, why is it when someone post a complaint about something everyone assumes that person suck, u ever thing that its just wack. i play zangiefs all the time an rarely ever get hit by his headbutt but the fact is im complaining about it cuz its broken not cuz i get hit with it every time i play or every time someone attempts it. its a fact that its broken. that moves stun damage is beyond over powered.
2)i want u to tell me what line in any of my post that i complained about any of those 17 characters being broken, cuz i never said any of them were broken not a single person. i said something about adon beings over powered not broken (2 very different thing) and if u actually read any of my post the only 1 thing i said was broken was zangiefs 1 move, i never said that character or any other were broken just that one move so i wanna know what the hell ur talkin about an what post are u reading cuz i never said any of those char were broken.
3) i dont hate them, i dont suck at the game at all, i dont need or make up excuses to make myself feel better, and im not trolling thats what losers with no lives and have nothing better to do will do.
4)"first of all a good player adapts to anything. "spam cheap turtle" these are all words people who have never been to tournies or only play online use." this isnt true at all. ur saying justin wong isnt a good player cuz he cant adapt fast, then why is he considered the best in the usa. and everyone says "turtle, spam, cheap, over powered, broken, ect." not just people who never been to tournaments and not just people who only play online, thats ur opinion thats not a fact.
5) if ur just gonna skim threw post dont bother replyin cuz ur wasting my time cuz i gotta read what u post for me then i gotta reply to correct u. also if u reply to this ur wasting ur time cuz this post is getting old so i wont be on this page no more. by 2morrow i will have to go back 2 or 3 pages just to find this post, so yea.
You Californian's are so lucky.
Could somebody be a MAN and try out Yang!?